/ck/ - Food & Cooking

It's the end of the beer journey if you're a 19th-century British colonist in India.
Otherwise, you have bad taste.

>>15861765
I'd drink IPA if it wasn't marketed to hipster soy-chugging faggots.
Kozel Bier is better anyway

>>15862203
you're a drone

>>15861765
I feel like most people beer enthusiasts get really into IPAs to start with, then realise they're kind of samey and that there are way more interesting beers out there
>>15862203
czech lagers are all surprisingly good. they probably have the best macrobrew lagers in the world

>>15861765
>IPAs are the end of the journey
>Stouts and porters not touched yet

You remind me of a younger version of myself

Stouts, porters, and tripels are all I care about.

Nah they taste too fruity and shit. They're just a soyboy trend for a while before they go back to cruisers

>>15862203
>I'd drink IPA if it wasn't marketed to hipster soy-chugging faggots.
So you like the style, but wont drink it because of what people on this board think?

>>15861765
>as a pup
what's your fetlife profile, OP? i'm looking to chase some bug

>>15863518
You're a man of wealth and taste

>>15861765
Op is a faggot

>>15861765
For me, it's the Belgian triple

>>15861765
>OMG I have finally arrived at what it means to be a beer enthusiast.
You're not an enthusiast, you're just a wannabe hipster.

>>15864318
/thread

>>15864298
obviously
nu4chan is populated with people who are really insecure in their self-image and are constantly checking if the things they like might be "reddit" or "soy" etc.

>>15864390
so, phoneposting zoomers? makes sense. young people are always more insecure

>>15861765
There is no end to the journey. There's no goal, other than to enjoy a beer. A lot of beers have something interesting to offer, even in the differences between IPA styles and their outliers. The more you dig, the more you realize there is still to find.

I prefer pilsners desu

>>15864789
What kind? What's your brand?

IPAs are shit and have basically ruined microbreweries.

>>15864852
Done well, they're well done. Done with a rough understanding of the style with little care for the end product other than the qualities of bitter and pale, they're just hop bombs. They're not as hard to make well as the usual lack of balance would suggest -it just needs enough dry bitterness on the tail end to cleanse the palate with a rich meal. With the wide variety of hops, and means of applications, there's a lot of flavours possible beyond piney bitterness.

>>15861765
barrel-aged imperial stouts are the pinnacle.

>>15861765
>the pinnacle of beer
is whatever beer that is currently in my hand

>>15865274
this

>>15865274
>>15865322
What are your criteria?

estrogen

>>15865402
For what?

>>15865570
being the pinnacle of beer

>>15865819
it's the style of beer I enjoy the most.

>>15865882
Gaatcha

>>15861765
I prefer brown ales, if I have to drink a beer. Whiskey if I dont.

>>15861765
Brewdog is macro swill

Belgian triples, blonds, and German hefeweiss is where it's at for me.

For me, it's a trusty pale or pils

>>15861765
IPA a shit. Sweet tasting scum for low test söyböys. Unfiltered lager is where it's at.

>>15861765
Dark beers are far superior.

>>15866806

>>15863475
It's not terribly surprising they've been brewing them forever. Their dark lagers are my favorite. Any dark lager is okay with me desu

>>15861765
IPAs are so 2000 and late we are on crispy bois now

>>15868162
wayfinder?

>>15868169
youbetcha

>>15868237
always make it a point to hit wayfinder when i'm out in oregon, one of my favorite stops

>>15862197
Those colonists also had porter, that didn't have to settle for IPA if they didn't want to.

>>15861765
Depends on the IPA.
Certainly fucking Brewdog is not the pinnacle of anything.

>>15861765
yes i love hops and nothing but the taste of hops
it makes me more mature

>>15864390
>>15864693
projection
you have shit taste and you know it

>>15861765
Americans ruined the IPA. They can't actually handle hops so they throw caramalts or mango puree at it so they drink it and pretend they like hops. In America NEIPA's are a joke, DIPA's are always aggressively over-hopped and any beer that even looked at a hop gets labelled IPA because using acronyms is apparently the only way to make men buy beer, more than 3 letters is just too confusing and long to remember.

>>15869269
>caramalt
Nothing wrong with that, it's just one variety of many
>mango puree
That would make it an adjunct IPA.

I can get behind some fun Yank bashing but your knowledge of IPAs seems quite limited. It doesn't help that generally speaking, along with the UK, America produces the highest-quality IPAs in the world. It seems to me your gripe is more with the way they are marketed and how this tarnishes the general public's understanding.

>>15869291
>caramalt
It's just sugar sugar sugar so they can handle the hops
>>mango puree
That would make it an adjunct IPA.

There is no such style as an "adjunct IPA" and almost every American beer is full of adjuncts because they use a lot of corn and oats.

My issue with these beers is definitely geared to the way they are marketed but breweries market them because if you slap IPA on it, it will sell. If consumers were more informed or more adventurous then breweries need to.

As for quality, comparing UK and USA versions of IPA's really is like comparing fish and chips and cheeseburgers. Both countries will have breweries making great IPA's but I think we both know which one has more breweries making bad ones.

>>15869342
In the UK the most well-known "craft" breweries like Brewdog and Thornbridge tend to produce cheaper, watery IPAs whose quality is then further compromised by sitting on warm supermarket shelves for months on end. The high-end microbrews from Verdant and Deya on the other hand can comfortably hold their own against the best of US brewing.
My personal experience is that many well-known IPA brewers from the US have managed to scale better without conpromising their product too much. Sierra Nevada, Oskar Blues and Stone still produce some excellent west coast IPAs that you can actually buy from supermarkets. Over here quality IPAs have all but disappeared from supermarket shelves. Luckily most non-shithole towns in Bongland will have at least one decent bottle shop so it's not too much of a problem.

>>15869342
>caramalt... sugar sugar sugar
I mean, caramel/crystal malts do add sweetness to a beer, but also colour. Even with L20 malt, you'd fall out of the SRM range for a pale ale pretty quickly. If the point is to hop the beer enough to preserve it, some sweetness would be needed to balance it - and I get that that's been forgotten about, and breweries ran an IBU arms race... but if you ever decide to make an IPA, even with more classic hops in an old-school-up-to-West-Coast style, a little Caramel/Crystal 10-40 will go a long way in balancing out 40-ish IBUs. If brewing's not your thing, run it through an app ahead of time.

>Adjunct IPA [etc.]
It hasn't been split off as a distinct style yet, but many brewers and breweries will either let you know up front on the label if they're using flaked oats or wheat for body, or corn, candi, or honey for sweetness or alcohol content without body.

Maybe I've just lucked out by not being anywhere near the Yakima valley, or all that close to New England... knowing the right people, working at the right breweries, whatever, but I got over being jaded about IPAs pretty soon after I learned how to make beer. I just avoided making shit IPAs.

>>15869935
>the point is to hop the beer enough to preserve it, some sweetness would be needed to balance it
I totally agree with this but I think overusing caramalts and fruit purees for a relatively low IBU beer is just a way to hide poorly balanced beer. On the surface it seems to be more of an issue with those grassy, resinous hops than those using those softer New World hops.

>Adjunct IPA's

Will never be a style. Adjuncts are just part of the mash bill, that's all. They do often describe SOME of the adjuncts they're using because we all know lots of flaked oats will make it an easy beer to sink but I guarantee they are not listing all of their adjuncts on their labelling. They're not required to and unless it helps sell their beer, it's a waste of time and money.

>I got over being jaded about IPA's pretty soon after I learned to make beer

I'm also a homebrewer which is one of the reasons I find overuse of sugar to be lazy brewing. I'm sure you've experienced that some of the simplest brews with the fewest ingredients can be amazing as long as your technique is good. However, if I make a mistake and end up with an off flavour somewhere that I can't easily remove, the first thing I'll do is throw it into secondary with some fruit or lactose to hide the imperfections.

>>15870285
Any time I've tried to bury my mistakes with fruit, herbs or sugars, I just wound up with flavoured mistakes. As much as I can brew by feel now, I learned very quickly to be attentive to the process, because there was only so much that guava or lactose would take the edge off of a miscalculated or poorly sanitized beer.

>>15870311
You've clearly misunderstood what I meant. There is no compensating for poor sanitation and guava has no place in beer. However if you're working with end of life malt and you end up with more bitterness from your roasted barley or this year's hops have more resinous flavours than last year's, you need to compensate in secondary. That's part of brewing. You're working with raw ingredients and you need to tweak things ever so slightly year on year. And if you switch malt suddenly that recipe needs tweeked. Suddenly those new oak chips have added more tannins than those old ones but an extra percent of lactose and it's drinkable after the same maturation period.

>>15866853
Man, I miss those jet black czech dark lagers so much. Can't get those in Norway for some weird reason.

>>15869381
>supermarket shelves
Who buys beer from supermarkets in 2021? Other than boomers and poverty-tier subhumans

>Sierra Nevada
Available in almost every UK supermarket

Not really IPA related but i'm sorting my cap collection and these are the only ones I can't remember which breweries they come from. Anyone able to ID the ones not crossed out?

>>15870510
>Available at almost every supermarket
That's my point idiot, the best widely available hoppy beer you can get in UK supermarkets is American.
Besides it's their standard pale, often months old and not kept cold.
M&S used to stock stuff like Racer 5 and Torpedo which were much better beers but those days are long gone sadly.

>>15870536
Second row far left is Wild Beer Co
Third row far right looks like Whitstable Bay to me

>>15870825
>the best widely available hoppy beer you can get in UK supermarkets is American.

No it's not. Try Thornbridge's Mountain IPA, Vocations Tro-Hop-Ical DDH IPA or Buxton's Lupulus X Citra IPA, all outstanding and more importantly they're all fresh. Those ones are all available in Tesco, which has stores everywhere so they're available most places.

>>15870536
Second row far right is Widmer.

>>15870510
>Who buys beer from supermarkets in 2021?
What’s wrong with buying beer at the supermarket?

Lager has and always been king. People who drink IPA's wear scarfs in the winter.

Rate my taste

>>15869258
stfu you insecure cuck

>>15870904
Yeah, yeah. Relax, babe, I know you can't take getting assrammed by american beers but you don't have to be so butthurt

9/10 IPAs are a horrible hoppy assault on my tastebuds, I've pretty much stopped buying them unless it's a single thrown into a "build your own" six pack, and every time I do I'm glad I don't have more than one to drink. Sometimes they'll try and trick me with some fruit or "milkshake" in the name but it's all just hops.

>>15862203
If I stopped doing something I like just because hipsters discovered it there'd be nothing left to do besides sitting on my ass posting to 4chan all day.

>>15864852
>IPAs are shit
Wrong, they're fine
>have basically ruined microbreweries.
This part is true

All IPAs are shit.
Malt > hops
Stout/porter > IPA

>>15871188
>redditors like it therefore bad
Do you hate coffee too?

>>15869291
My gripe about IPAs is how they've pushed other styles off the store shelves.

>>15871120
Based Cuvee de Chateau appreciator. Probably my all-time favourite quad.

>>15862203
So youre saying your only bothered about what people think of you than the beer its self.

LOL

>>15871120
it is good

>>15871224
Not really, breweries just label their blondes and amber ales IPA's and retards pay 25% more to drink them. Then they go drink another breweries actual IPA and get shocked they don't like the hoppiness.

>>15864279
What are you on about? Plenty of IPAs do not have a hint of fruitiness. This is tastelet cope.

>>15871388
citrus are fruits

>>15869342
Yes, the US undoubtedly has more breweries making bad IPAs (by a lot). It also has more breweries making good IPAs (by a lot).

>>15871405
I bet the number's somewhere in the 3-4:1 range!
>the US has about 3x the number of breweries as the UK, and about 4x the population

>>15871401
>It's got citra hops
>Must taste like citrus fruit

>>15871425
like a blue spruce raped a grapefruit, if I had to draw a quick comparison. Pinene and limonene, go figure.

>>15871423
try 5-6x, sweaty

>>15871224
This. 95% of my local grocery store's craft beer selection is IPA. No stout at all; not even Guinness. Not even seasonal stouts in the winter. All IPA, all the time.

>>15871440
I guess it's not that weird... my local supermarché has a better selection of local beer than the liquor store, and their fridges are colder.

I find that there are many more (new) bad sours crowding shelves these days than IPAs, but maybe because I'm more willing to try a new sour than a new IPA, as there are always so many reliable IPA options, but not so many reliable sours

>>15871461
When you find one hold onto it. The breweries here are trying to out-sour each other, and it's horrible.

>>15871461
Sours remind me of the time my homebrew went sour and I drank it anyway. I have a hard time accepting it as a "style" because it seems like they're just trying to sell me a bad batch.

>>15871580
A well done lacto sour is a wonderful, tart, refreshing drink - like a well made radler. A well done brett sour has just enough funk to it to complement everything else going on. Highlighting the sour aspect over the beer just makes bad beer, and that's what seems to be the style right now.

>>15871554
>>>/int/142309638

>>15871388
All NEIPA's are fruity as in there is actual fruit in them and a lot of IPA's are fruity from the hops

>>15871438
Try 4 x as many breweries with 5 X the population

>>15871461
Definitely, Kettle sours just need to stop existing

>>15871188
This is the most basic opinion imaginable.

>>15872167
Stout/porter is better though, So is saison.

>>15861765
it's nice to think your'e at the pinacle.
after IPAs it goes:
fruited/milkshake IPAs
pastry stouts
bourbon/spirt barrel aged strong ales
mixed fermentation sour ale w/ fruit
lambic
trappist beer
saison
light lager

bourbon +wine are somewhere in there towards the end

>>15871634
For me? West coast ipa that tastes like a branch of pine needles

>>15871194
No one mentioned a thing about plebbit except you, faggot
Maybe you should fuck off back there.

I just drink pint after pint of lager now, none of that stuff for poofs, with daft names

>>15872574
>I just drink light beer for women now, none of that stuff for men with color, flavor, and high ABV
FTFY

>>15872563
Kagami likes IPAs, fag

>>15872405
>it's nice to think your'e at the pinacle.
after IPAs it goes:
fruited/milkshake IPAs
pastry stouts
^^lowest of the low tier. These are for people who hate beer.

bourbon/spirt barrel aged strong ales
mixed fermentation sour ale w/ fruit
lambic
trappist beer
saison
^^all glory

I am a big fan of sours. They're like fucking juice honestly. Nice on a summer day kinda like lemonade.

>>15871188
>malt > hops
>implying Imperial stouts, especially Russians, aren't technically more heavily hopped than the average IPA
I can see you're a beerlet that literally just hates anything he doesn't understand

>>15864789
Aslan pilsner is based and flavor pilled

>>15872975
This is my favorite beer of maybe a dozen sours/goses I've tried over the years
Perfectly hits the spot for what you described

>>15873004
Imperial IPA's are just as heavily hopped as Russian Imperial Stouts if not more so. Russian imps typically have higher ABV which is why the perceived bitterness is lower. You don't know what you're talking about either.

>>15861765
i've only recently started to drink beer and i enjoy IPAs so far
all the stouts and porters i've had just taste like fucking coffee, at least IPAs taste different

>>15863518
This guy fucks
>>15861765
I went through a similar progression. But throughout my 20s I drank so much IPA and tried so many that I'm honestly burnt out on it. And now that it's super popular I find it irritating that most grocery stores stock nothing but IPA and macros. I have to go to the fucking liquor store to get a good stout or porter, because they're consider niche currently.

>>15871147
and if someone calls you a hipster, and you ain't, be a man and tell em to fuck off

>>15873231
There are different ways to make just about any beer, and reasons for their similarities. You need very dark malt or roasted, unmalted barley to make porters and stouts (some see that as the divide between them, some go with a heavier porter being a stout, and there's an overlap that hasn't been resolved). It doesn't help that a lot of breweries push the flavour of their dark beers further with coffee, chocolate and vanilla; good flavours for a dessert stout, but maybe as a seasonal offering, not as a flagship stout. You need a good amount of hops to make an IPA. West coast IPAs tend toward West coast hops, which usually have a citrusy, piney, resinous quality about them. New England IPAs add the hops (blend them in) after the boil, so you get more of the aroma and brightness from the hop and less vegetative bitterness - the pinene and limonene get balanced out a bit when you aren't cooking everything off. As similar as older American IPAs and NEIPAs might look on paper, the end results might as well be different species of beer.

Sorry, I've been drinking. There are things you're just not going to like, but if they're not absolutely intrinsic to the style, there's probably a few beers from that family that you'll enjoy.

Ipas taste like dish soap water to me

>>15873299
It's balancing back out here. Definitely a lot of local IPAs because every local brewery has to have one, but they're all playing with sours too, getting dark lagers dialed in, a few good imperial stouts... actually a few really good IPAs of a few different varieties - a few breweries are playing around with their hops and malts and hitting a few home runs along the way.