/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15770670
what’s with all the butthole threads

Lavazza good or Lavazza bad?
They sell 2.2ib bag of lavazza beans where I usually shop.
Good for brikka?

>>15770687
Shut the fuck up loser

>>15770688
Lavazza good?

>>15770693
Yes

>>15770697
Good for brikka? Better than Mt.Hagen?

>>15770703
Yes

>>15770709
Lavazza good

>>15770713
Yes

>>15770687
Lavazza is average; middling.

What is your guy's favorite brand of cold brew? I like pic related.
Looking for something dairy-free.

>>15770763
Costs a little more than Mt.Hagen Arabica at the same weight where I live. I'll give it a try. Since the Brikka burns the fuck out of everything, I'm guessing average coffe is just right for it.

>>15770786
Why not just brew your own?
But I have a question; Is coffee good for you?

>>15770824
>Why not just brew your own?
Why not just buy some that's already made?

>>15770830
Because it's cheaper and you aren't drinking out of plastic.

>>15770831
Why are you concerned about my money and health?

>Onyx CXFFEEBLACK

What did they mean by this? Is coffee transgender now?

>>15770908
You sure it's even coffee at all?
I'm wary of products with names like these

>>15770836
not that anon but we're family, dumb dumb, we want the best for you

>>15770941
This is /ck/ ~ food & cooking

Coffee is literally liquid BBC. If you drink coffee, you like African-American phalluses in your mouth (and in your wife).

wtf I love black cock now

Did that guy just order a big black coffee? Wow, he's so cool!

Gonna miss the noon coffee once I go back to work in the office
>>15770824
how do you make cold brew? I've been sticking just letting coffee sit in my press overnight then just press it into my water bottle in the morning for the gym? Is there a better way?

>>15771330
Fuck off Kevin.

>>15771737
what is the thing on the stove called

Recently left my barista job for something a bit more higher-paying.
I'm gonna miss pulling shots and making drinks. I miss it already. I hated the place I worked at, but I loved the work.

god how much money do i actually have to spend just to figure out if i even like "good" coffee

>>15771024
Food and cooking, not shopping and purchasing.

>>15772418
not much.
>search for a coffee shop get served specialty coffee with any method that is not espresso.
>don't add milk or sugar.
>you either like it or not.

other option
>get a small quatity of good beans
>use any method you already have, even drip, regular pot if nothing else
>grind to size using food processor, mortar and pestle or rolling pin
>brew
>quit yer bitching

>>15772315
the moka pot?

>>15772495
i have light roast beans from a local roaster, a cheap manual burr grinder, and brewed them in a number of not quite proper ways
there's some aspect to it that i like that i can't pin down, but some amount of bitterness or some other unpleasant tastes that overall makes it range from bad to almost, but not quite enjoyable to drink black
i have no idea what factors are stopping me from getting something i'd actually just regularly drink, be it not quite getting my brewing variables right or my brewing setup being cheap and improvised to varying degrees, the local roaster not actually being that good, or if i should even expect black coffee to be enjoyable without just drinking it until i'm used to it to begin with
my best bet at improving at this point might be to upgrade the grinder, maybe it isn't consistent enough and/or produces too many fines, but dropping $100 on that would be by far the most expensive piece of equipment i've bought thus far and i don't even know if that's the issue

>>15772749
>my best bet at improving at this point might be to upgrade the grinder, maybe it isn't consistent enough and/or produces too many fines, but dropping $100 on that would be by far the most expensive piece of equipment i've bought thus far and i don't even know if that's the issue
Nope, not if you have a burr grinder already. Get all the coffee you have out and cup it. If it tastes like shit, you have shit coffee, get better coffee. If it tastes good, you're brewing it wrong, figure out how to brew it differently. Grinder does matter, but it matters from good -> exceptional, not bad -> good. If you're making shit coffee and you have even a shitty burr grinder, I spent years using a hario slim, you can still make quite good coffee.

>>15772749
>brewed them in a number of not quite proper ways
there's your problem anon

>>15772833
>hario slim
I want a hand grinder so is this worth buying? I see people either love it or shit all over it saying it broke in a day

>>15772890
It's a functional entry level hand grinder. It grinds well enough to make any kind of coffee at a decent level. You could even kind of grind turkish coffee if you wanted to spend the time. It won't grind coarse coffe with any kind of consistency, but again, it's plenty to brew good coffee. I'd rate it underwhelming but functional. If you either don't have a grinder, or you're using a blade grinder or some shit, it'll be the most important coffee purchase you make by far.

>>15772833
i'll try cupping tomorrow, gotta go to work right now
>>15772867
to clarify, i mean things like "using a funnel and a basket filter folded like a chemex to approximate a v60" and "using a teavana tea maker i got from a thrift store for $2 with a basket filter under the included metal filter to approximate a clever dripper/hario switch", these two methods having gotten me "almost good" results before

>>15772904
Thank you for the info my man

>>15772932
So now "upgrade" to an $8 plastic v60 and hario filters. After that, start kicking a $5 back every chance you get for the grinder fund.

Going to spend pretty big on my first coffee grinder - looking at the OE Apex. Have no interest in espresso but want a very good pourover/brew/French press grinder. Don’t mind hand grinding.
Thoughts?

>>15770786
their sweetened cold brew is unironically delicious and despite brewing my own I'm still tempted to buy some from time to time

>>15772315
It's a moka pot. They make SHIT coffee and are a meme pushed by wannabe italians. I like to put a dash of cardamom in mine when I brew with it. Makes it taste like the lebanese coffee at a gyro/falafel place I frequent

Sifted ethiopian coof. Think I'm buying a melodrip because I hate myself and I like the towel they sell.

Today was a roast morning. Right afterwards, I went for a walk and a kitty ran out of nowhere to sniff the roasty smellz on me. He put his paws on my shoulders and really got all up in there with the sniffs. It was pretty funny.

>>15771737
Nice. What coffee you using? Been making lattes with some cheap Aldi Purue beans with success.
>>15773852
Your a meme.

>>15770824
yes. the only risks of drinking coffee are drinking too much (anything over 200mg of caffeine I'd say is bad, 400mg is considered maximum safe dosage) or adding creams and sugars. Coffee is a fruit, very similar to cacao which is also very healthy. Lots of antioxidants in the bean. Don't go over one or two cups a day tho imo

>>15770670
Light, fuck dark roast to hell

>>15770786
Make your own, I just made some using a blend of leftover beans I’ve had for a few weeks now. I tend to prefer just a tiny bit of cream with my cold brew

>>15770830
Cause 95% of them taste like shit and are overpriced

Is happy mug a good place to buy beans

>>15772932
Yeah you’re completely fucking up with the brew method. Actually get a real fucking v60, they’re cheap, what the hell is wrong with you ofcourse that’s going to taste like garbage

>>15775085
Why didn’t you save koffee kitty and bring him home? You heartless bastard

>>15775601
I've seen him before. He clearly lives at one of the houses near there. The coffee smoke on my clothes just made a big impression.

Does anyone have a recommendation for an espresso maker? I'd probably only use it on weekends so >$500 is probably too much. >$1000 is definitely too much.
A milk steamer is important to me.
If it's easy to pull a shot in the morning (heats up fast, easy to fill with water etc) I could probtspend more.

>>15775676
ah well okay then :)

>>15775560
Why does everyone hate dark roast? Genuine question.

>>15776214
They don't. I think the people who are the most opinionated usually just have limited experience. I often run into coffees that really shine at full city, but taste pretty meh at lighter roasts. A lot of people are reacting to overroasted commercial coffees when they say that. This is a valid point.

>>15775780
I'm not a cat burglar.

>>15770670
Nice latte art

Recently bought one of these and a v60 setup, upgrading from a french press and a moka pot.
Nothing beats a double shot and a cup of pourover in the morning.

>>15776403
thx

Just finished a moka pot latte I made. Picked up a little stainless steel pitcher from goodwill for pouring foamed milk and it feels like I have so much more control when pouring compared to just pouring straight from the french press. I also used nice low-temp pasteurized creamline milk from the public market. Lattes with the moka pot go down so nice because the milk rounds out the bitterness that's often present. Sorry I forgot to take a picture

Picking up a flair off of facebook marketplace today, excited to try it out!

>>15771737
coffee sock

>>15771737
DESU I just put my stuff into a 1 gallon glass jug overnight, then filter it out and drink it over the week.

>>15775481
fucking bustelo coffee. I've had a lot less issues with bitterness once I added the water hot and took it off from the burner once the gurgling starts. The milk helps too

>>15775599
what's fundamentally different between a funnel and a v60

>>15776695
Flow.

what is the point of the gooseneck kettle? why can’t i just use a regular electric kettle?

>>15776910
You absolutely can use a regular electric kettle. I use a regular electric kettle and have gotten very good pour over results. Some people like gooseneck kettles because you can have better control over where you pour and your flow rate

Fellas it's that day again
What's the best way to make an Irish Coffee

Arriving tomorrow.

Huh

>>15777579
que?

Brehs how the FUCK do I get better at steaming milk? It’s so hard to tell when to stop steaming and when the texture is enough.

>>15777883
Can you steam milk in a normal kettle?

>>15777903
Huh? I use the default wand of a delonghi EC155 aka the shittiest machine ever made.

>>15777910
huh?

>>15773632
just get a comandante. It's the gold standard for hand grinders.

>>15778136
Out of stock everywhere.

>>15777883
Stop aerating the milk as soon as it's as hot as body temp. Anything past that will leave large bubbles that won't go away. Also stop steaming when the milk is just too hot to touch (~140f) Place the tip of the wand just off center. You're looking for that milk to swirl as fast as you can.

>>15778148
Get a kinu from gear.coffee then.

>>15772460
this

this is the best way to drink coffee when it's not black, prove me wrong

>>15778751
>drink coffee when it's not black
I don't do that

>>15778909
live a little, coffee is cheap and can be enjoyed many ways, there's a reason coffee flavored sweets are so delicious.

>>15778751
dude Vietnamese coffee is so good, deff a bit bitter but its very flavorful

>>15779326
it's the only time coffee that dark and bitter is good, because it's being mixed with pure sugar and milk fat

>>15776441
What made you decide on this brand of lever machine versus others out there?

>>15777234
Take pics, give us your thoughts and details

>>15779330
I wanted something under $500, and this one only requires pre-heating for very light roasts, which makes it unique among manual espresso makers. I also could only find positive things said about it online, whereas the other machines all had at least one major drawback that kept getting brought up.
Compared side by side, the shots I can pull from it once it's dialed in, while requiring more work, are as good or better than shots pulled from a friend's $700 Breville Barista Express.

>>15779547
Awesome, I’m jealous. Been debating getting a Flair for awhile now, any reasons why you chose that over the flair? The preheating?

>>15776529
Looks like a dick cooming.

>>15779607
What's the purpose of the gaping mouth expression?

>>15779308
>there's a reason coffee flavored sweets are so delicious.
Wow I wonder why things loaded with sugar taste good. Retard

>>15779674
Traditionally, mouth-agape expressions were used by adults only in the most extreme situations–reactions to extreme shock, grief, joy, etc. Also, they often read as a sign of unintelligence in adults. Now, however, they are usually histrionic affectations that emulate childishness. It is very natural to feel confusion and repulsion when you see this.

>>15779674
It is an open invitation and request to have a large black gentleman place his erect member within

>>15779674
it's like how animals show their bellies, as a way of demonstrating that they aren't a threat, it's not done consciously

My coffee place got closed down so I managed to get a coffee grinder and a french press does anyone know which kind of beans is more chocolaty?

FUCK THIS THREAD THE SHOP THAT HAD THE BEST ESPRESSO NEAR ME KILLED ITSELF AND I HAVE NOTHING NOW!!!!!!!

>>15780925
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ESPRESSO MACHINE?

>>15780936
AAAAAAAAAH IT GOT BULLIED INTO SUICIDE BY THE CHEMEX!!!!

>>15770670
Has anyone here tried the Costco Kirkland coffee? I'm going to try making some cold brew with it

>>15781108
this is the stuff i get for cold brew. i like it fine - i normally prefer a lighter roast, but i don't like their "house blend" medium roast and the other medium roast is more expensive and inconsistently stocked.

>>15781341
What's the ideal steeping time that you've found? I'm a bit worried about the fine ground because I know you're typically supposed to use medium or coarse

>>15771330
>>15771338
>>15771355
obsessed

>>15780915
brazilian

>>15778751
If you can't have it black, it's not that good.

>>15779336
It's a heavy, very well-made machine. I think it's only ~2kg heavier than the Niche (which I sold very recently). However, it feels much more sturdy than the Niche. Maybe it's due to the feet design of the Niche - but the G-Iota doesn't have the 'I can push this over' feel of the Niche. The location of the power button is slightly annoying. I don't really like the bellows (feels very cheap), but it is what it is. The cup provided is plastic (the one with the Niche is stainless steel). I prefer the plastic cup as grinds would often get stuck in the lip of the Niche cup. For first use, there's barely any clumping (Italmill 64mm stainless flats). I still had more clumping after ~2kg of beans through the Niche. I can upgrade the burrs to titanium, but I doubt I will bother. I have no idea/interest in burr allignment. I often found bitterness in the cup when using beans from the Niche. With the same (medium roast) beans, using the G-Iota, the bitterness has now gone. That's the only input I can give regarding conical vs flat burrs. I do somewhat miss the retractable power cord from the Niche, but as good as the machine was/is, my very early impression is that the G-Iota is an upgrade (for me). The motor sounds weird, but a guy elsewhere (engineer) did a teardown and is happy with it.

>>15779674
They think that making stupid faces distract us from the fact that they're ugly.

>>15782382
Very nice, thanks for the post. Been daydreaming about getting a niche for awhile, interesting to read your thoughts on it.

>>15783342
The Niche definitely opened the door for single dose non-hopper grinders. Hopefully there will be more of the same from Eureka and so on later this year. I wasn't a massive fan of the Niche coming with a 1-year warranty. I didn't expect anything to go wrong after 1 year, but the father and son behind the team could easily shut up shop in 3 years if they felt like it. Where I bought the G-Iota, it came with a 2-year warranty as standard - I extended it to 4 years for ~$41 USD.

Will you be buying reddit simp coffee by dick masterson?

>>15770830
Premade cold brew is sold at a ridiculous premium considering the absolute zero effort preparation process.

>>15773852
It sucks went you make it maybe. Get your grind right get nice beans and then chuck a paper filter in there

>>15772932
You can buy a pour over type funnel and papers for like $3
Other than that it might be an issue with grind adjustment/ratios or maybe you just don't like the particular beans you got. The most standout coffees for me have been Kenyan/Ethiopian single origins

>>15783711
Sipping on some LARGE maragogipe beans atm.

>>15770670
Today I had my coffee by mixing together a Starbucks espresso pod, a Tim Hortons coffee pod, a pouch of Tim Hortons instant cappuccino powder, a splash of almond milk, and a small spoon of brown sugar.

>>15779565
It was the preheating and the general views I found online about build quality.
From what I saw, everyone agreed the Robot was very well built and sturdy, while I noticed a decent number of people saying the Flair was a little flimsy.

>>15784316
Been doing a lot of reading and research on the Robot since your post and it all has definitely started swaying me to potentially get one instead of the flair.
Now the big thing holding me back would be a grinder. I have one for pour overs but it definitely isn’t good enough for espresso.

>>15784316
>>15779565
The Flair seems simpler. You can take it apart easily for cleaning, the group head portion is sturdy and pre-heating it simple. I usually use the pressure gauge only when I'm dialing in my grind settings, so preheating is done like this. Not as perilous as it seems.

a question for manual/lever espresso makers- Does anyone here make any steamed milk drinks with them? If so, what do you use to steam/froth the milk for cappuccinos and shit?

>>15784402
I make scuffed lattes with a moka pot, and hot milk in a french press. I imagine you could do the same thing if you're making espresso. Or you could get one of those stove steam wand things, but at that point just buy an espresso machine.

>>15784402
Flair bro who doesn't do milk drinks, but if I did I see no better supplement than the bellman steamer.

>>15784316
You can't even get an acaia lunar under the robot. For all that guys design chops, this is a dumb error to make and it would require him to invest in entirely new molds to remedy. Not cheap. If you upgrade to stick a SEP on there, its an extra hundred bones over the flair version.

>>15784432
>but at that point just buy an espresso machine.
If you’re to believe the reviews, you can get espresso from a $300-400 manual lever machine that rivals a $1000-2000 machine, much more affordable and easier to obtain

>>15784402
>>15784462
Seconding the bellman steamer.

I would just like to eventually get an Olympia Cremina.

>>15784487
>Cremina

That's the next home for my SEP. "Wasted" money on it and a lunar with the express purpose of refitting them onto the olympia. Would be way cheaper to stick it on a pavoni, but then I'd be stuck using that piece of shit. Debating whether I want an hg-1/eg-1+cremina this year, or a pair of abyss 1266s and a worthy amp+dac for it.

has anyone here had kopi luwak? is it actually good or just a meme for tourists who want to try le epic exotic poop coffee?

>>15784479
>>15784487
Sure, but this is over a hundred dollars and it's just a steamer. I dunno, at this point just get one of the shitter machines and use it exclusively for affogato or something. Maybe if the 9barista had a steam wand attachment. 100 dollars + is a lot of money for me to not froth milk in my shitty french press and have no other benefits.

>>15784598
forgot pic

>>15784600
$300 manual machine plus $100 steamer is still $400 total for espresso instead of $1000+. I get your point, but as long as it works it’s still a much cheaper option for arguably better quality if you know what you’re doing

>>15783804
>and then chuck a paper filter in there
what the fuck nigger

>>15784600
While it may only do one thing(steam milk) its about the list of drinks you can then fuck around with at your leisure. $100 and the only thing to maintain are cheaply replaceable orings, and you should get years out of the original set unless you melt them by tossing it on a stove without water. Maybe the guy who melted his shit a few threads ago can chime in?

>>15784679
>the list of drinks you can then fuck around with at your leisure
I’m ignorant- what sorts of drinks are you talking about

>>15784598
it is a meme, 99.9 % of what is sold is fake, in the old myth Civets ate the best coffee berries, now civets are being force feed all coffee berries.

>>15784700
https://www.thespruceeats.com/coffee-drink-glossary-1328727

I'm sure someone else has a shitty infographic to post.

>>15784658
A paper filter
In there
On-top of the coffee
To filter the mud out

>>15785131
what the fuck is wrong with you and your moka pot
you should not get any "mud" in your coffee if your grind is correct
putting a paper filter in a moka pot is completely retarded and a waste of a paper filter

>>15785131
>>15785207

peak /ctg/

>>15784600
The Bellman, Flair, and Niche Zero, set me back just under $900 or so. I'll probably use my Flair, and Bellman for traveling or something if it doesn't have much resell value. The Cremina I want for example is about $3500.

Any recommendation for budget coffee maker? Preferred features
>no paper filter
>cheap
>easy to clean

>>15786059
Aeropress + metal filter

>>15786059
just get a french press wtf

>>15786059
moka pot
french press
vietnamese phin

You know ive been wondering, are "vintage" cast iron skillets a fucking meme? Cant you get the same results with modern cheaper ones?

>>15785207
retard even the best grinders are producing fines and the only filtering mechanism on the moka is those huge holes in the top portion. Predictably moka results in sediment like a French press does, only worse. Using a paper filter results in a cleaner cup and costs literal cents and a maybe 20 seconds to cut out a circle, and I bet aeropress filters would fit if you were too lazy for that
Try it you'll see

>>15786340
Anyone ever roasted coffee on a cast iron skillet?

>>15786870
I haven't, but there's at least one guy around who does. I watched a lot of videos of other guys doing it. The best looking results come from the ones who use a deep skillet over a propane flame and constantly toss the beans to agitate. Makes sense. I think one of the main issues with that method is uneven roasting on the flat side of the beans if you're stirring with something. Tossers reduce jumpers with deep skillerts. I bet a cast iron wok would work pretty well with stirring. Long ago home roasters used to be able to buy spherical cast iron drum globes that rotated with a hand crank over a flame. You could make anything work if you put a little effort into figuring it out.

>>15786870
I have, not good. Best results I've gotten are using a hot air gun on beans in a cast iron pan. I'll probably buy a hive roaster at some point.

>>15786340
Modern cast iron skillets are unironically absolute shit. The amout you have to pay for decent fit/finish for a new production cast iron skillet is unreal. I have a ton of cast iron stuff but I only buy it heavily discounted. ~30 is what I target as a maximum, then I buy it even if I don't want it and try to trade people for stuff I want. I have modern Lodge shit, but I've never paid more than ten dollars for one. I'm relatively confident I could get an angle grinder and a flap disc and get something acceptable out of one of them but it's actually unbelievable how utter shit they are. Go to the store and handle one, it's unreal.

Cast iron is a giant fucking meme, and I say this as a cast iron autist. Enamelled cast iron dutch ovens are a good thing to have around because your oven probably sucks massive ass. Make roasts in it or what have you. There's an argument to be made for searing steaks in cast iron, but honestly you can do this with pretty much anything.

>>15786990
Heat gun roasting is great.
Cast iron makes the best burgers, hands down.

>>15786603
you have a mental disorder and i hope to never encounter your insane faggotry in real life

>>15787182
I mean, he is correct. If you've ever made coffee in a moka pot and any kind of decent pourover they're both visually quite different, and a moka pot has noticeably more sediment that settles to the bottom. It's incredibly minor, and I'm not going to use a filter with my moka pot, but it does absolutely produce more sediment than something like a chemex.

>>15773852
>It's a moka pot. They make SHIT coffee and are a meme pushed by wannabe italians.
Oh, you're just assmad that you can't make good coffee. It's okay anon, everyone can improve if they practice.

>>15770670

>>15786990
Whats the bestplace to look for good cast iron? Ebay is fucked ever since the wuflu hit

Ive only cooked on non stick but been considering cast iron due to faggots not shutting up about their meat results

>>15787475
You have to buy it from estate sales, auctions or shit like that unless you want to pay a lot. No way is anybody putting cast iron on ebay then shipping it for ~30.

>Ive only cooked on non stick but been considering cast iron due to faggots not shutting up about their meat results
Just use stainless steel, that's what I use 99% of the time anyway because I usually want to make a pan sauce after. Stainless forms a far better fond, and at any temperature you'd be wanting to use cast iron at, you're forming a fucked fond regardless.

Something else as well, sous vide is a giant fucking meme.
>Make sure steaks are at room temperature
>Salt them ~1 hour before hand
>Stick a probe in, put them on a cooling rack in a cookie sheet in a ~200 degree oven (again, your oven most likely sucks massive ass, it doesn't matter that much)
>Remove when optimal internal temp is hit
>Sear then let rest

It's just that easy boys, don't pay hundreds of dollars for some meme shit. Millions of steaks all around the world have been reverse seared, and you have all the tools to do this right now. Stainless steel pan, oven, baking sheets, probe thermometer and you're cooking better steaks than 99.9% of the population. If you want to cook better than 99.9% of this board, practice and make demi-glace, follow the steps above then make bordelaise.

>>15787475
Get one without some stupid stamp on the bottom of it.

>>15787475
I'd honestly just buy lodge and immediately strip the seasoning, sand it a bit, then reseason with flax. Junk, but usable.

>>15781586
Am I being memed on or Brazilian beans are really chocolaty?

>>15787499
Really appreciate the info thanks. ive heard stainless is best when dealing with broths, rice etc but ive gotten good results with non stick set.

One advantage ive heard is being able to sear and transfer to over while keeping temperature stable in poultry and red meats, so ive been reading up on if thats a plus to invest in meme cast iron along with being able to roast evenly.
>>15787514
>>15787559
Funny you guys mentioned this, is there any reason to avoid the stamped ones? I see that lodge brand A LOT wasnt aware it was shit, assumed it was decent due to popularity

>>15787578
Generally speaking, yes they are.

>>15787578
Typically nuts and chocolate.

>>15787613
>One advantage ive heard is being able to sear and transfer to over while keeping temperature stable in poultry and red meats
Yeah, this would be the benefit, cast iron simply has more thermal mass. Also, if you want to get it really really fucking hot you could be passing the temperature limits of your nice stainless pan. I rarely require or do either of those things so I don't really care, but it's a thing.

>I see that lodge brand A LOT wasnt aware it was shit, assumed it was decent due to popularity
Lodge is seriously garbage, I have not seen anything else made with modern manufacturing techniques that sucks as much as a lodge cast iron pan. I got a decently large lodge dutch over for ten dollars new, which was cool, but about as much as I'd pay for it. If your girlfriend takes you to one of those weird clothes / surplus stores or wherever women shop, sometimes they have nice cooking equipment in the aisles in the back for cheap. It's better than nothing, but you're going to have to >>15787559

If you want to become a god tier cook, simply acquire
>https://www.all-clad.com/d3-stainless-3-ply-bonded-cookware-saute-pan-with-lid-3-quart.html
This is the greatest saute pan ever made, the All-clad D3. 3 quarts, more than enough to cook any of these foods.

>>15787776
Oh also, fuck paying 250 or whatever for that. You can buy factory seconds which have cosmetic blemishes only. You will fuck up your pan, so it really doesn't matter. It's a tool. I've also rarely seen them at MSRP, they're sold for hefty discounts very often. Pretty much just buy one when you see it for a decent price.

Workplace got a coffee capsule machine; it's better than instant nescafe. Haha.

>>15788136
I've been seeing a nespresso commercial recently where they pretend they care about the environment
pretty funny considering how much plastic you're throwing away every time you make coffee with one of these capsules

Equatorial coffee made by Singaporeans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn9T8Taf4M

>>15788246
Not just plastic; there's an aluminium foil on top on every capsule.

>>15788267
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wy_q-f6cvw

>>15788246
propaganda is always meant to humilliate

>>15788246
nesspresso capsules are recyclable

>>15789001
that literally means nothing you fucking retard. reusable, compostable or bust.

God damn I love cleaning this thing. So satisfying.

I bought this with my stimmy check. How bad did I fuck up? Also is buying espresso preferable to grinding my own with my shitty burr grinder?

>>15779547
>and this one only requires pre-heating for very light roasts,
what the fuck
where the fuck did you hear that load of bullshit

>>15789462
I've had a delonghi espresso machine and burr grinder for years, the grinder is about to die, but the espresso machine is still raging.

And no, you should be grinding your own espresso. Make sure that your beans are mostly light roasts if you want a good creme. I prefer just using light roast.

>>15784379
>Now the big thing holding me back would be a grinder. I have one for pour overs but it definitely isn’t good enough for espresso.
Which grinder? I was worried about this as well, as I have a Baratza Encore, which is generally not thought to be very good for making espresso. The thing with manual machines, however, is that they allow a very high degree of control, which means you can get by with a grinder that wouldn't work on an automatic or semiautomatic machine. James Hoffman, for example, mentioned using the Encore in a video comparing the Flair and Robot (and maybe a third one, I can't remember), because your ability to control the all the little variables means you can get really good espresso based on technique, even if the grind can't be perfected on a cheaper grinder.
>>15784384
The flair doesn't seem too complicated, but from what I've seen there's just a little more to it than the robot.
To see what I'm talking about, look at this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g_Kj-VUqSM
There's also the issue of pulling multiple shots back to back, which seems to be quicker with the Robot.
>>15784462
>You can't even get an acaia lunar under the robot.
This is the one real issue I've had with it, definitely something to consider before buying.
I've been able to get by with eyeballing it and weighing it afterwards. While it's not ideal and it has taken practice, I am now at the point where I'm pretty accurate with it.
>>15789508
>where the fuck did you hear that load of bullshit
Not needing to preheat was one of the big selling points for the Robot, and after reading around online the consensus seemed to be that it was mostly true, with the exception being very light roasts. Once I got mine, I compared preheating and no preheating at very levels of darkness, and also found it to be the case.

>>15789531
What does it mean to not pre-heat you machine? Why would you want tepid luke warm espresso even if it was technically possible to do that?

>>15789542
Electrical espresso machines have a heating element that is heating the water that's passing through the group head. Manual lever machines are passing water that you have heated somewhere else through the coffee.

If you don't preheat elements of the brew head, when you pass that water through, all of that metal mass is going to act as a heat sink and take temperature away from your brewing water. What might have gone in at 92 or 93C might be hitting the coffee in the 80s. This can lead to underextraction and unpleasant, unbalanced shots, as well as the temperature of the served coffee.

Do you guys like any commercial grade beans? Got some nondescript Ethiopian beans from trader joes and they're actually good

>>15789552
Oh okay, so you agree that you pre heating is necessary.

>>15789553
I just buy 12-15 lb bags of green colmbian and tanzanian AA, and roast them myself because I have a coffee problem.

>>15789581
I'm not the guy with the Robot - if it were me I would be preheating but at the end of the day, drink what tastes good anon, I was just answering this anon >>15789542

are blends haram to connoisseurs?

>>15786059

I would suggest you open yourself to the idea of paper filters, after having done french press for years, just getting a basic pour over and paper filters was soooooo much better, less oil, no grit. I could taste the coffee better, the coffee tasted better!
I forget what its called but there's a certification or approval for - bunn had some models that where cheaper (sub $150) I was going to get one until I found a moccamaster for cheap.

Good luck, and filters aren't that much money if that's what you're worried about, if you go to costco, you can't get like 400 #4's for 8 bucks.

>>15789605
Not really. Depends on the blend and why it was blended. Good blends are done for similar outcomes to good blended Scotch whisky - the roaster the idea of what they wanted the finished product to taste like, so they've played around with the ratio and the included coffees to arrive at an outcome that should be balanced.

If it's whatever fell off the countertop in the roastery then sure, blends are shite.

>>15789542
>>15789581
The reason preheating is not necessary with the robot is that the basket itself does not have much thermal mass, and there is an insulating space which separates it from the portafilter into which it is inserted and holds it onto the frame of the robot.
This means that if you pour boiling water straight off the stove into the basket inserted into the portafilter, you will not lose a significant amount of heat. The heat you do lose is not enough to greatly affect the taste of dark, medium, and some light roasts. Very light roasts, on the other hand, will be affected by this relatively small drop in temperature, as they require much hotter water. That is why it is necessary to preheat the basket, portafilter, and possibly even the piston, if you want to get the most out of a very light roast.
I think this explains the basic concept pretty well, but if you want more specifics, there's a lot of shit you can find from a quick google search of "cafelat robot preheat" or "cafelat robot heat management"

>>15789657
No, I understood. I don't really think that anyone was recommending not pre-heating at any point, so that's my only issue. It's like going to a pool. and someone walking up an going... "Hey man, you know you don't have to wax you knuckles before using the diving board?"

It's just a pointless non-sequitur

>>15789680
Someone, I'm assuming you, asked where I had heard that the Robot only requires preheating for very light roasts, which I specifically mentioned in the previous post was a selling point of the Robot which attracted me.
It was then explained to someone, again I'm assuming you, what it meant to not pre-heat your machine, which you asked about specifically. I then explained why it was not necessary to preheat the Robot except under specific circumstances, and how this does not produce inferior or "tepid luke warm espresso".
There is no non-sequitur here, and so you are either very confused or you're not the person who originally asked about pre-heating and are instead getting at something else.

that first sip of a new bean on the old grind setting

>>15789530
Thanks for the comment but i'm retarded and (and a little high) and actually have this shitty grinder. It's fine for courseish coffee and I make a great pour-over with it but I don't think I can get espresso fine grinds with it.

Bought a refurb'd Flair a few weeks back - getting consistently tasty shots from light and medium roast coffees now.

>>15789462
Why wouldn’t you spend more of that “stimmy check” on an actually decent machine? I’m trying to hold myself back from spending $700 of it on a grinder

>>15789605
I have no issue at all with using blends for cold brew, milk based espresso drinks, shit like that.
But when it comes to straight espresso or pour overs, I just enjoy the clarity from single origin. I’ve never had a blend that tastes as good.

>>15790878
Good shit. You get the gauge?

>>15790974
I reaaaaaaaaaly wanted to yolo a grand at a grinder but I decided against it. Sated myself with a melodrip(kek) and a custom straight razor.

>>15791056
>melodrip(kek)
This is the first I’ve ever heard about this. Can you actually notice a difference?
>and a custom straight razor
Damn that sounds nice. I just use a cheap safety razor but it gets the job done

>>15791117
Who knows. I'll let you know when it gets here. Kinda just wanted the towel...

Finally popped open the new ethiopian. Got a few roasts done. Guy I bought it from said he was getting good berry notes at 409 so I roasted to 410 to start out with. Hopefully the melodrip gets here soon.

https://www.allycoffee.com/coffees/gedeb-chelchele-natural/

https://www.etsy.com/listing/863774966/handmade-western-kamisori

>>15791695
How much did the greens cost you

>>15770670
Got an OE Apex. First grinder. Excited at the new possibilities that have opened up.
You lads mind sharing your favorite beans?
Partial to Ethiopian stuff, personally.

>>15792330
$134.30 for 20lbs shipped. $5.60/lb.

>>15792384
Goddamn. I wish I had the knowledge, patience, money, and time to start roasting myself but as of now I just can’t fucking do it. Maybe in a few decades when I’m older and need another hobby on top of still trying to learn how to properly brew the fucking shit

>>15790878
>refurb'd Flair
Nice- how much did you save vs a new one?

>>15789326
hose it down

>>15792498
I'm 28. I got real stoned and ripped apart a popcorn popper then followed an instructable. Pretty sure you're that competent even if it takes you a weekend.

https://www.instructables.com/Arduino-controlled-DIY-Coffee-Roaster/

>>15792356
Try the Ethiopia Halo Bariti from Happy Mug if you like naturals from Ethiopia.

I bought ~20 lbs of their greens and have enjoyed playing with it. After getting a good roast profile dialed in, it tastes like blueberry fruit leather to me. Super interesting.

Post back on your thoughts as you use the Apex anon, I'm jelly. I've oogled one for a while, but I've got a Baratza Forte BG for filter and a Niche Zero for espresso, and can't really justify pouring any more money into grinders.

New Flair w/ 58 mm portafilter and an electric preheating system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAQLi5H8eqo

>>15792698
Holy shit I might actually buy that.

>>15792698
Sweet. I'm buying one. That'll keep me from buying a cremina for at least a year.

>>15792616
Well fuck me. Be honest- what’s the quality of results you can get from this VS the $20 bag of Ethiopian I get from the local roaster

>>15792790
I'm able to reliably roast small batches and tweak to my own personal taste. If I'm having trouble pulling super light shots on the flair(soon to be a nonissue with the 58), I can just develop the roast a bit more next time. Get the $20 popper off sweet marias. They give you 4lbs of free greens with it. Machine is literally free, and you're going to spend $20 on coffee anyway, so fuck around. Weigh some beans out, plug it in, give them a stir then taste in a few days.

>>15792790
Shots off some brazilian I got for ~$2/lb. Roast it too quick and it tastes like toasted peanutes. Roast it to the same temp with a different curve, it tastes exactly like creamy peanut butter. Go a little darker and chocolately notes come out. Had some great pourovers that reminded me of reese's cups.

>>15792644
Thanks for the recommend. I took a friend of mine's advice (who is way more knowledgeable about coffee than I am) for a one-time buy on a forever grinder. I don't have much interest in espresso anyway, so hoping I'll like this. Will post here eventually, soon as it arrives.

>>15792698
that music was fucking ridiculous
pretty machine though

i’m currently using Breville smart grinder pro with an infuser and I like similar style darker beans for lattes. But why the fuck doesnt my grind setting change from bean to bean? I get good flow and time from the 19 grind size, but even then I heard its pretty coarse from what other people do on the same grinder.

>>15793257
Burr sets can shift as they wear; additionally you know if you pull the burrs out you have a second set of adjustment? So it might be that other people have the macro adjustment set differently to you and their 19 is different to yours. I have a Sette 270 which has the "major" click adjustments then a finer wheel labelled A-J (I think) that's stepless for fine adjustment and find myself ordering two or three varieties of lighter beans from a roaster I like and I rarely go a whole "letter" out in the adjustment range - almost all of my espresso is done between about "C" to about halfway to "D".

>>15792698
this fuckers gonna be 500+

>>15792698
Doesn't a ordinary moka pot does the exact same thing?

>>15793336
>Though Flair has not yet shared the exact price of the new model, Pernicano said the Flair 58 will sell for “more than 1.5-times but less than twice” the price of a Flair Pro. The Flair Pro2 currently sells for $309-329 on the Flair website.Flair plans to begin accepting orders for the Flair 58 in early April, with machines slated to begin shipping in early May.

And a fucking steal too.

thoughts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGCrJpqjVJI

>>15770670

I FAHKIN LOVE DUNKIN!

>>15793452

>>15793429
so yea 500 lmfao i'll pass

>>15793478
Smells like broke to me.

>>15793526
its the beats by dre of espresso makers

>>15793553
More like HD600. A reasonable entry that you don't r e a l l y need to upgrade from.

>>15793429
Yeah I wouldn’t call that a steal. Would rather go with the Robot at that point

>>15793744
I want the robot to shit hot liquid coffeerhea right in my mouth.

Hello fellow coffee enthusiasts. Enjoying some store brand instant coffee at the moment. Cheers!

Bros, should go ahead with a used La Pavoni pro that with fixes and a Bellman steamer will probably cost as much as the Flair 58 or just wait?

>>15789326
Nah you should lick it

>>15787617
>>15787691
Isn't Brazilian beans known to be bitter?

>>15792698
Directed by Joss Whedon
>>>/wsg/3826383

>>15793843
No?

Coof

>>15791056
Thanks anon - and ye I got the gauge. Makes rudimentary pressure profiling so much easier.
>>15792526
$190 for a Signature with the pressure gauge kit. I'll probably upgrade to a Pro 2 brewhead before too long though.

>>15792859
You should try your hand at roasting some natural Brazilians if you haven't already.

>>15795778
shouldve bargained for a lower price or just bought it new. its only 50 dollars more

I'm going to buy a decent and flex on everyone here

>>15795844
Eh, it was only used once and I saved on tax.
>>15795938
Shit anon good luck finding one.

>>15795790
Yeah I missed out on the last brazilian natty drop. Could have picked up 5lbs of that instead of an extra 5 of ethiopian. He had a 20lb eth limit on the first buy, so I figured I'd snag as much as I could. He's got 5lbs of Primavera Yellow Catuai Pulped Natural left and 95lbs of INDONESIAN BALI KINTAMANI NATURAL RFA ORG.

>>15795844
The scratch and dent units used to give a much better all steel tamper when I bought mine a few years back. Couldn't find a single scratch on my unit, so it was a no brainer to get a free gauge and tamper essentially.

>>15795938
Theres one guy here with a decent but he's a massive faggot. But buy some chinkshit with your stimmy if it puts a smile on your face.

>>15795974
>stimmy
dawg I make way too much money to get a stimmy. If I was getting a stimulus check I would not buy a 3000 dollar espresso machine.

>>15796023
>make way too much money

A $3000 machine isn't flex worthy.

Need a new milk frother. Don't think I'll be able to repeat pic related another time with what I got now

>>15796634
Nanofoamer maybe. got one coming in a week or so.

>>15795965
I kinda lucked out and got one off FB Marketplace for $150. Came with 2x brew chambers, 2x portafilters, 2x pressure gauges. Pretty hype about it. Any tips you've picked up using yours? My grinder isn't up to snuff for espresso so I've been using preground from the store. 9 bar seems to underextract but maybe I have to do more rigorous preheating idk. Still breddy good

Think I'll invest in a Gaggia Classic. I can get one for about 400 euro which is just within my budget right now. Before I do, are there any other models people would recommend?

steel burr chink shit grinders, yay or nay?

First time grinding beans to prevent from tasting bitter do I grind it coarse for a regular coffee? If I were to make an espresso with a moka pot then I would grind it fine right?

>>15797128
I prefer ceramic ones; harder and no chance of rusty.

>>15798831
you need a rough grind for moka pot

>>15798018
Gaggia Classic Pro?

Its probably the best one you can get other than like a Breville/Sage

>>15798886
French press as well? Seeing youtube videos from reddit with Babish where he grinds his beans really fine for everything really seems questionable

>>15798980
babish is like the last guy whos opinion i would want for coffee

>>15798980
French press just throw any old shit in there, it all turns out the same

>>15795790
>at roasting some natural Brazilians
I find that just posting "7-1 :^)" still works pretty well but ymmv

Espresso time.

>>15799192
FUCK YOU, GOD WHY??? WHY DID MY ESPRESSO PLACE CLOSE DOWN?? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! IT WAS THE BEST, I MISS IT SO MUCH!!!!!!!

>>15795970
Gosh. I would like to try that Kintamani.

>>15798980
Moka pot takes finer than french press. Shoot for a little finer than pourover. That's when I've gotten the best results. I'd also advise against using light roast in a moka pot

>>15799201
Seek therapy please.

>>15799263
$4.98/lb at greencoffee.coop $122.90/20lbs after shipping and coop fees. Fucking steal.

Dunno if we're us only or not.

>>15797128
Good shit anon. Well, I'd highly recommend sorting your grinder out to get away from using pre-ground shit from the store. If you're intending on using medium or light roast coffees through your Flair, you need to get your brew chamber as hot as you can get. If your kettle has a temp hold function, you can effectively steam your brew chamber by placing a silicone or metal basket over your kettle and placing your brew chamber in it to steam for a few minutes. I've got it up to 205f after 2-3 minutes of steaming

>>15799670
I have 40lbs of coffee right now. I have to get through another 20lbs before I buy any more.

>>>/wsg/3826383

I love coffee lads but I hate being reliant on that caffeine and becoming physically addicted to it (headaches if I stop drinking, lethargy at the end of the day)

>>15800942
You might be just a retarded faggot. Ever considered that possibility?

>>15800949
I was in the navy so yes I have considered that possibility

fuck i gave in and consoooomed, timemorial C2 and a 15 oz vietnamese phin

>>15799700
Thanks for the steaming tip! I did that and lowered the dose a little which helped with the under extraction, pulled a decent shot today but not exactly where I want it still.

>>15801046
They're both pretty indestructable so you're gucci. If you don't like the tmore use it until christmas and regift that fucker.

>>15770670
Made a café au lat. It wasn't bad, but I wish I bought my french chicory coffee brand instead.
>>15796634
Looks good and comfy.
>>15796684
Plz post results.

I'm going to be in possession of a Miele coffee machine in the next week. What's /ck/'s experience with these machines/brand?

>>15803803
is this a superauto?

>>15804156
I don't think so? Nothing like that is coming up on the website

>>15803291
why does your milk look like dried cum

>>15793432
based

>>15786059
aeropress

What's /ctg/'s favorite gas station/fast food coffee? Picrel is god tier imo and almost makes me regret moving out of the toxic waste dump known as New Jersey

>>15805246
wawa isn’t specific to new jersey

>>15799042
Look. I know im responding to a mongoloid, i know. But i have to tell you. You dont know anything about coffee. Read all the faggot books you want. Go to coffee fest and turn your nose up to the italians and masturbate over synesso. Go pay thousands of dollars to be a q gradee and look at coffee under a uv light. Go for it. I dont even care. Just remember kid, i was stripping trucks of supremos while you were in fucking poopy pants diapers. I remeber when Choc full of Nuts delivered coffee in a fucking rolls royce. Your playing yourself, kid.

I have over 100 specialy offerings from 97 different countries of origin in contianer quanities AT ALL TIMES. Wow you say mr. Coffee broker bean KANG you just doxed yourself on the internet, but i dont care. Fuck you. Ive been doing this so long i was playing golf with the nca guys before it blew up ive been a member and disbarred by the scaa more times then your punk ass has even been on there mailing list. Ive FUCKED my way through more coffee roasters secrateries than you even have in your rolodex. I have a warehouse filled with over $1,000,000 of espresso equipment laying DEFUNCT.

People like you, kid, people like your are marks, customers, losers. Go ahead, drink your shitty overextracted coffee; freeze your green coffee; hook up pid machines to your little home.use espresso machines, buy a 1 bag Lorring. But to me kid, youll always be a loser and a faggot

>>15801017
Navy is full of seamen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtMql6ajPEQ

>>15805246
>gas station/fast food coffee
Why would you subject yourself to that willingly? Find a cafe with a competent barista and decent coffee.

>>15805438
daddy, mommy asked you to stop posting on 4chan and come down and have dinner before it's cold

>>15793553
you're insane if you actually think that

It came. Great purchase so far for $100. I ran it empty to clean it up and then made 2 single servings of pre ground medaglia d'oro coffee i had. Pretty good! I have these tiny cups that fit but need to pick up 10oz cappuccino cups. It's so awesome having espresso in my hiome, I need to be careful though before I get addicted. I also need to get some milk tonight to try out my steaming. I haven't done it in years. I still can't figure out how to take apart the filters .

Now I need to decide if I'm going to buy a real grinder because the spice grinder I've been using probably can't get me espresso fine grounds. But I'm also a pastaboo and like the idea of exclusively buying imported italian tins of coffee for my espresso and using my grinder for pour over.

>>15808427
If you're making cappuccinos, you'll want something more on the order of 6 oz. Then all you have to do is pull a shot and fill it to the brim with steamed milk.

>>15807766
it is if its going to be 500 dollars or more

>>15793820
Just aesthetically the la pavoni is more pleasing and I imagine temperature management is easier

>>15810247
They're pressure bombs you can't refill while in use with a shitty small basket and a scalding hot exterior.

>>15806835
>t. the author of that pasta

>>15808427
>It's so awesome having espresso in my hiome, I need to be careful though before I get addicted.
I'm already addicted so I might follow your lead, anon. I have a moka pot but that just doesn't cut it for me.

>>15771737
For me it's:
mason jar + filter attachment + ground coffee + stick it in the fridge for as long as you have to
It's godly.

>>15792698
>tfw I brought a flair sig 2 last month
mother cunts

Thoughts on coffee with a small peace of butter?

>>15812448
I think butter in coffee is stupid. You get a little oil slick floating on top. What is wrong with the traditional method of adding dairy fat to coffee? What is wrong with cream?

>>15812476
Milk and cream changes the taste too much in my opinion. Butter is more neutral, but still alleviate very strong coffee. The oil also makes it nice and smooth and somehow satisfying to swallow.

>>15812554
I still think it's dumb. I would rather drink the coffee black and eat the butter. I just don't think they mix together well.

>>15812448
>>15812476
It's Singapore tradition
https://youtu.be/oyZpyZN02Rs?t=66

>>15771737
I've used a toddy cold brew maker, and that's been working great for me for years

>>15812897
Traditional shitty coffee. Nice.

Guys. Do not buy the Bialetti coffee grinders.
They're not cheap, and they're pretty shittily made.
Pic related is like the exact one I have and the plastic holder dingus at the bottom already cracked all the way to the top. The nut at the top is already showing signs of corrosion. Bleh.

What are your favorite sweeteners?

>>15813648
same shit as the hario grinders.
cheapest you can go with some durability is Timemore c2, if you are not a clutz you can risk Hero S01

>>15770687
Try to get fresh, locally roasted beans. Supports your community instead of the globalists, and tastes better.

>>15813965
Honey. Also after 3 cups with a coffee that's not my favorite, melodrip's recipe has sweetened it up and its p good. I'm a fan, and I hate it. I do like the towel tho.

>>15813648
none, all they make for me is fake hunger.

>>15814147
Yeah I should have went with the Timemore c2 instead, since I paid about the same for the Bialetti.
Plastic shit is so damn fragile.
>>15814862
?

>>15815291

oops >>15814862 meant to reply to >>15813965

>>15813965
Just sugar. I keep vanilla peels in there so it's a little flavored

>>15813965
Splenda

That anon over >>15786059
I bought an aeropress last weekend, and it's vast improvement from my previous options (K-Cup in office and drip maker at home). Thanks for the recs, guys.
Right now I'm following Adler's how-to in video, upsized to 2-cup serving (2 scoops, water up to 3, dilute it 1:1). How can I improve this?

>>15806429
we had a starbucks onboard too

>>15816433
filtered water, consistent grinder and better beans.

>>15816433
Seeing as the "press" only generates .6bar, stop pressing.

https://youtu.be/FfHmh4bGLmw

>>15816433
When you're bored, try using it as a pourover brewer with immersion:
- ignore the piston, place the bottom half over a cup
- 15g coffee ground for pourover, so a little coarser than what you're probably using
- 240g water
- don't worry about blooming, just get all the water in at once and stir, it'll draw down over about 6 minutes

Adds another tool to the toolbox.

>>15817134
>>15817482
while you are at it, add an asbestos filter and some heroine syrup.