/ck/ - Food & Cooking

The Chinese don't have nearly as much respect for their traditions and history as they'd like you to believe.

>>15598583
You can cook spaghetti however you want. Just don’t use terms that don’t apply.

>>15598599
they have no traditions or history. the communists destroyed it all and all they have left are the ideals of avarice, greed and living like filthy subhumans.

Spaghetti is Chinese, 13th century from Marco polo.

>>15598583
Cook shit how you want to, so long as it's good. If someone else gots a problem when they're eating it, then tell them the magic phrase i like;
>go suck a dick and die faggot

>>15598658
>MARCO

>>15598583
If you made your fried rice with quinoa or some other grain, THAT'S the equivalent of some retard making his carbonara with bacon and jarred alfredo sauce.

>>15598583
there's no recorded use of the term "pasta alla carbonara" prior to about 1950, and the earliest that the dish that it might've evolved from and pasta cacio e uova, was only documented as recently as 1839. more importantly however, modern Italian carbonara is pretty different from that 1839 recipe.

>>15598656
this is the truth, people don't understand how bad it is....
the euros, after wwii, became obsessed with rebuilding and preserving their national cultures
the chinese cultural revolution and great leap forward destroyed their care for tradition

>>15598729
oh, so you're telling me italians are obnoxious blowhards who are wrong about everything? shocking revelation

>>15598729
huh? I need those sources because I have a few overly smug Italian friends that I might be interested in showing them this to

>>15598741
the preservation of history takes a backseat to scavenging whatever food you can when you're starving to death. bats, bugs, rodents, small children..

they have plenty of resources now but those traditions still linger. like what the fuck are wet markets still around for?

>>15598599
>>15598656
>>15598741
>NOOOOOO MY TRADITIONS!! NOOOOO!!
grow up faggots

>>15598658
I always thought this but i checked italian (((wikipedia))) last week and it says its not true

>>15598770
traditions are important for identity. why do you think america is so fucked? if you haven't got traditions you'll cling to whatever is en vogue. whether you agree or not, the chinese actively sought to destroy their culture and traditions for a good while during the time where 80 million were starving to death

>>15598745
Kraut hands typed this

>>15598796
that's how italians are seen in america too. jersey shore set their image back, like, a century

>>15598791
america isn't fucked because a lack of traditions. it's fucked because a small number of people own nearly all the media (among other things, such as federal government, banks, and public education systems), making it easy to brainwash the masses, keep wealth and power among themselves, and to make each generation weaker and more robotic than the last.

>>15598833
it's part of it. consumerism is the culture, corporations are worshipped like gods and idols. plus america is such a young country it never really had a chance to develop any culture of its own

>>15598583
Because the Chinese dont give a shit about their own culture. And why do you even give a fuck whether it's considered carbonara? Just cook what you like, maybe your dish will taste way better, just because it has tradition doesn't mean it's peak cuisine.

>>15598583
Because wops have no real culture and are stuck in the past, even though they haven't even been relevant or not a dirt poor country in thousands of years.

>>15598833
>a small number of people own nearly all the media (among other things, such as federal government, banks, and public education systems), making it easy to brainwash the masses, keep wealth and power among themselves, and to make each generation weaker and more robotic than the last.
So, exactly like the PRC?

>>15598583
Because "fried rice" isn't a single dish, just like "pasta" isn't a single dish. There are so many variations on fried rice, each with a regional identity attached to it, and I guarantee you the people in the region are just as adamant as Italians that their way the "correct" way.

>>15598658
8th century, introduced by arabic traders.

>>15598599
Best comment I seen on 4chan in a year. Thank you anon.

>>15598729
I was always told it was invented when the US army provided rations to italians during WW2 and they had to figure out what to do with bacon and eggs. Apocryphal or true?

>>15598670
sleep tight porker

>>15598599
China didn't exist before Mao, or at least that how they act

>>15598770
Shut up, Mao

>>15598729
Isn't carbonara the evolution of an old Roman Recipe?

>>15598583
Nobody follows the old recipe, not even Italian chefs. They will come up with any reason to call your dish wrong because real carbonara is made by Italians in Italy (and even then it's wrong for not being how I make it).

>>15598684
carbonara is made with bacon

>>15598658
>>15599258
1st century, invented by African kings bigots

>>15599008
He wasn't referring to the government.

>>15599651
No, no it isn't.

Carbonara is made with guanciale or pancetta.

>>15599695
>Pancetta is an Italian form of side bacon
>Guanciale is an Italian jowl bacon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon

Is the fried rice still rice that’s fried?
Then it’s still fried rice.

>>15599801
Bacon is smoked Pork Belly
Pancetta is the same cut, but without smoking

>>15599829
except it's fried as in 炒 not as in 煎 which are both translated as "frying"

>>15599801
They're different preparations with a different distinct taste. Pretending it's the same thing is fucking retarded.

What’s a good rice cooker that won’t fucking burn it at the bottom and ideally holds 5 cups

>>15599858
Whats your budget

>>15599832
>Bacon is smoked Pork Belly
Most American bacon is salted pork belly.
But there are many types of bacon. And they do not have to be smoked at all.

>>15599849
There's a difference in quality, but barely any in taste. You can get higher quality bacon. For that matter, I'm not a yank and salted loin is the most common bacon.
Also you've jumped onto the protected term bandwagon. Local pancetta (often called bacon or ham) is better because our pork is better. Same with local parmesan. Not at all with prosecco.

Stop pretending that bacon isn't a superset used to describe a number of cured pork products.

>>15598770
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>>15599883
I’d like to spend around $200 but will go up to $300

>>15599941
NP-HCC10 if you want induction heating and fuzzy logic

NS-YAC10 if you just want standard fuzzy logic with some bells and whistles

NS-TSC10 if you want standard fuzzy logic with less bells and whistles (but still decently featured).
That covers ~$150-260.


The model numbers are for the 5.5 cup models which can make between 1 and 5.5 cups.

The 10 cup models generally do best with at least 2 cups, so i would say avoid buying a 10 cup unless you NEED to make more than 5 cups since a 10 cup is generally not good at just a single cup.

>>15599941
If you’re a burgerbro, this is the best possible $200 you can spend on a rice cooker. I had the same model before upgrading a couple years ago. Pic related.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004S9RR50

>>15599962
Induction heating is good, fuzzy logic is a meme.
Unless there is a reservoir or a hose hooked up the rice cooker should stop when the water is gone even if it isn't done. Which is how a regular rice cooker works.

>>15599962
>>15599970
Thanks fellas

>>15599978
Fuzzy logic is not a meme at all and you're a retard if you think it is.

Compare a fuzzy logic rice cooker to a basic bitch "dumb" rice cooker and the difference is pretty obvious

>>15599985
>and you're a retard if you think it is
merely a computer scientist.

>>15599894
>a number of cured pork products
Anything that isn't ham, really. No leg bacon - them's the rules.

>>15600020
>computer scientist
>doesn’t understand why dynamic adjustments made during a process can be beneficial when there are other factors present
If you “stop” the process when the water is gone, you overcook the rice, which is why basic rice cookers using 50yo design are known for that. It also takes air pressure, ambient temp, and humidity into account, as these things affect the boiling properties of water.
You must have skipped the day they taught PID. And skipped all of calculus. And general chemistry.

>>15599910
kek absolutely seething

>>15600054
>you overcook the rice
Not if you put in the right amount of water.

Just use cold rice dawg.

It's not like asians couldn't MSG before actual MSG - soysauce, fishsauce, dashi, seaweed, etc

>>15599695
Guanciale and pancetta are both kinds of bacon you fool.

>>15599832
Bacon is cured pork. Doesn't have to be smoked or belly.

>NOT THE HECKLIN TRADITIONS!!!
This is why the white race is dying, they focus on feel good bullshit instead of building civilization like the Chinese

>>15598583
Chinese people are souless, and MSG isn't bad for you

>>15598670
>3000 kuai
that's like $450 US.
Status+scarcity=Chinese culture

>>15600296
it's 30,000

>>15598770
What I remember as chinese food growing up as a young kid in Hong Kong

>turtle/shark fin soup
>fried chicken feet
>pig uterus noodles
>fried rice with pork knuckle gristle
>unidentifed fish balls on a stick
>boiled dog meat
>one time, monkey brains

Americans have no idea how bad it really is. No one in china knows what the fuck beef and broccoli is or sweet and sour pork. Chinese food is disgusting. Literally the worst parts to eat of any animal. Makes sense because chinks are the race of humans closest to animals. They make disgusting noises when they eat, slurp everything, men in the streets lift their fucking wife beaters over their sweaty stomachs while laughing and chewing with their mouths full of food. Like what kind of idiot decided 2 sticks is the most practical way to eat grains of fucking rice. Starving Nigerians who eat grass have a better diet than the average chinese.

>>15599226
>I guarantee you the people in the region are just as adamant as Italians that their way the "correct" way.
I think some cultures are less confrontative than others.
The only time I've ever seen buttblasted japanese on western japanese dish variations is on a video where they made tkg but whipped the whites first.

>>15600534
Jimmies were rustled when Kim Kardashian named her lingerie line Kimono.
You get an official complaint from the premier of Kyoto in cases like those.
They get butt blasted; they just pass it up the chain of command instead of complaining publicly.

The same reason "champagne" has to come from a very specific part of France, and anything else is just sparkling wine: Marketing.

>>15598658
>>15599661
>>15599258

What are we defining as "spaghetti" here? Because China's had noodles for a really long time, but they're not much on tomato sauces, so I can see them inventing the general dish first, but then Italians using vastly different sauces and spices with it, making what we now know as "spaghetti".

>>15598756
A wet market is simply the most obvious way to sell meats when you don’t have refrigeration standardized across the country you retard. 1 billion people can’t be living like Larry.

You’re of the impression that the Chinese are all living under conditions similar to Americans, which is very, very wrong. Wet markets are common throughout the Middle East and Africa, so care to take a guess why the Chinese live the same way? Many of them, and I mean a great many, are living lives with wealth comparable to that of a middle easterner, although with slightly better human rights values and more access to electricity/jobs. However, access to electricity doesn’t mean access to a refrigerator taller than yourself, just as well that access to “a job” doesn’t mean access to middle class.

>>15599661
6th century BC, invented by Athenian philosophers

>>15600692
>A wet market is simply the most obvious way to sell meats when you don’t have refrigeration standardized across the country you retard. 1 billion people can’t be living like Larry.
That would be fine if it was just farmers, but a lot of Chinese wet markets involve selling wild animals, which can carry diseases like COVID-19, which is how the whole thing started.

>>15598791
>why do you think america is so fucked?
Power held in the hands of the elite who's economic and political well-being lies precisely in disempowering the masses and accumulation to political power and wealth at the expense of the public i.e. zero-sum relation. I don't think these problems are going to be solved if Americans start going back to church every Sunday or perhaps you were focused on something else?

>>15598583
Italians literally have nothing else.

>>15598741
>>15598656
>>15598599
>tradition and history
The Chinese have been under foreign rule for a majority of their history. Even the great Shang dynasty was a dynasty of mongols. Their country is extremely prone to invasion with very little defensive capabilities (hence the wall) and the reason Chinese “cuisine” is mostly stir fries and chicken is because all they had access to were vegetables and cheap meats for thousands of years, so they had to find a way to make it taste palatable.

The reality is that Chinese culture is as much Chinese as it is foreign culture. They’ve been getting their shit packed since time immemorial. They barely had clawed their way to freedom when Japan decided to fuck their way into mainland China during WWII and shortly afterwards they attained freedom from the US only to hand authority straight to the most brutal, inhuman dictator the world has ever seen.

Would you want to remember this “culture and history”? The only reason they call the Shang Dynasty “great” and pretend it was a real Chinese dynasty is because it was the only dynasty that didn’t oppress the fuck out of them.

>>15600072
>put in 2 cups, fill water to line that says 2 cups on it
>comes out overcooked

Shut the fuck up moron, if you can't understand how fuzzy logic would help a rice cooker you really shouldn't be in computer science, this is really basic shit.

>>15600728
Put in less next time, moron.

Maybe if you were in CS you wouldn't get scammed by buzzwords.

>>15600928
lmao, why would I bother when my rice cooker does it perfectly?

AND it sings

>>15599962
>fuzzy logic
What is this

>>15600940
basically a small microcontroller that can monitor inputs and adjust temp and cooktime based on those inputs, in a rice cookers case it's moisture, temp, and pressure. At any given time it'll be aware of all of those things, and based on your cooking selection (white rice, brown rice, porridge, etc) will adjust the rice to come out exactly as it should.

It's much better than "dumb" rice cookers that just get hot enough to boil and when they get too hot they turn off (getting too hot means there is no more water and so it's done cooking)
However this usually leads to scorched rice on the bottom because it basically overshoots the boil by a minute or two every time.

>>15600970
You don't need to monitor any of those things because they can be perfectly predicted by the same temperature control on dumb cookers.
Moisture goes up to 100% humidity every time; it's a covered boiling pot; until you run out of water.
Air pressure goes up to a set amount and excess is vented every time unless you put in so much that the top pops off, until you run out of water.
Temperature of boiling water is 100C every time, and only lowers once you run out of water.

Crustiness is caused by pools of water left behind, frying some exposed rice while water boils in the pools. But that only happens if you've scratched the shit out of your container. Or it's not calibrated properly; but that problem is only magnified when introducing more sensors.

>>15601061
Lmao like I said, a fuzzy logic cooker doesn't wait until the water is all gone, because that scorches the rice.

Not to mention, good fuzzy logic rice cookers take ~2x as long as a dumb rice cooker because they cook much more slowly and thoroughly

Enjoy your shitty rice you pretend is good, or you're only eating long grain rice anyway and are a moron for even being in this conversation.

>>15601098
>because they cook much more slowly
That doesn't require fuzzy logic

>>15598583
Because they realized that technology produces better results more easily, so they embrace it

>>15601114
Then why does no one make a good rice cooker WITHOUT fuzzy logic?

Also, again, you're probably a long-grain eating moron that doesn't know what he's talking about anyway.

>>15599970
>the cat's butthole is smearing shit where food is prepared.
catfags should be gassed

Because bug people used to use rotting ingredients. Fried rice is a way to reuse ancient stale rice and half rotten meat like most Chinese dishes. Making it fresh is better.

>>15601129
No one will ever eat your butthole food

>>15601142
why live?

>>15600698
Sounds like you started with the Greeks.

Because Italiens are cunts

>>15600714
>wild animals
What do you think they sell in other wet markets? I suppose in some deserts there’s only farmed animals, but do you really think Africans aren’t selling shit they killed/caught?

The Chinese are just a bit exceptional in that they’ll eat damn near anything that isn’t literally toxic

>>15598583
Fried rice is a junk food made with leftovers in the first place
Its like trying to dress up a hot pocket to be something greater, what's the point? Its just rice

>>15600680

Nobody was much on tomato sauces until the Americas were discovered, Italians didn't really start using them until the 18th century. Chinks mostly seem to eat them with scrambled eggs, which is a hugely popular dish over there.

>>15601280
That hasn’t caught on here but yea /lit/ is pretty good

>>15598583
because europeans have higher standards than asians.

>>15602763
>Nobody was much on tomato sauces until the Americas were discovered, Italians didn't really start using them until the 18th century.

Interesting. What did Italians use before then?

>>15601114
>That doesn't require fuzzy logic
>>15601127
>Then why does no one make a good rice cooker WITHOUT fuzzy logic?
Kek, gotta love retards
>you can do that without this specialized thing
>then why doesn't anyone sell one without specialized thing?
>no reply
Wow, you sure showed him

>>15599962
>>15599970
>>15600937
Based zoji bros

>>15600726
>The reality is that English culture is as much English as it is foreign culture. They’ve been getting their shit packed since time immemorial. They barely had clawed their way to freedom when the Romans decided to fuck their way into mainland England during the first century and hundreds of years later they attained freedom from the Normans only to hand authority straight to the most brutal, inhuman G*rman dynasty the world has ever seen.

>>15599643
Yeah, they cooked it on their shields and the black carbon on that developed on the bottom lead to the name "carbonara"

>>15599970
cute kot

>>15602929
Tomato sauce on everything is kind of an American 'Italian' thing, in Italy itself they're more a feature of Southern cuisine, and still only in some dishes.

Another thing to ponder is what the fuck food was like across half of Asia before the chilli was introduced.

>>15598583
Because Italians are all born turbo-autistic.

Because Chinese make the best Chinese food.
Whereas Italians make the worst Italian food in the world.

>>15598644
thread

>>15603179
Wasn't it because of the overuse of pepper?

>>15599910
I'm not Chinese. You should ask your doctor about medication for paranoid schizophrenics.
>>15600511
Nice pasta. Now post the Japanese one.

>>15603166
chang fuckin seething my dudes

>>15607152
You seem to be the racist, as is very common with your types. I simply don't give a shit about your fucking nations and don't want to visit them.
If you want to call me racist for disagreeing with you then you must have been shillary supporters since that's the best that they can do.
Are you still seething in your closets because Trump beat your annointed one?

>>15598658
Retard.

>>15600511
I love this pasta

>>15601130
I guess this is plausible since fridges are a modern invention so any "leftover rice" is actually bad

>>15599413
Given the realities of post-WW2 Italy's food supply, it's highly unlikely that the majority of Italians would have access to guanciale or pancetta. In all likelihood the recipe was developed and originally made with not only bacon but also powdered eggs from US food aid.

>>15602379
that was my point. it came from starving to death for a few decades and now their “traditions” are eating rodents, bush meet and bugs

>>15603166
>12 million killed vs 80 million
>germany ruled england
i thought you slants were supposed to be smart

>>15600726
the wall was built by the chinese oppressors to keep the filthy chinese peasants in, it was never meant for outside assault
it was there to make sure no filthy chink could escape their rule

>>15598670
$4500 for a dead pig. What the fuck

>>15607620
Probably Korean, about $28

>>15607655
The products on the left are displayed in Japanese.
30000 yen
283.95USD

>>15598599
they do though, and youre saying this over fucking MSG in rice because youre mentally handicapped lmao

>>15598583
chinese can't make rice

that's a fact

>>15598599
this is one hundred percent true
i went to china in 2015 and there was multiple occasions of chinese people literally shitting on the old statues at castles and temples

>>15598583
who tf cares it the rice came from a rice cooker or an artisanally handmade bamboo steamer, its fucking rice

and fried rice can be made with whatever, msg is just another seasoning like salt and pepper

>>15600680
The italians weren't using tomato's till they found em in america

>>15602472
and spanish omelette is a byproduct of famine years where people were forced to use potatoes (often considered kibble at best back then) to stretch the duration of the few eggs they had per year
carbonara is also a dish made with ingredients available to the working class and the poor, it's not a gourmet dish and will never be.

>>15598583
Japan embraces progress while US is a bunch of prudish religioustards and hippies

>>15611487
>OP specifically comments on the definitions of Italian food names as used by Italians
>bring up the US anyway
Obsessed. I won't even mention you confusing China and Japan.

>>15598599
>muh tradition
you're a huge pretentious faggot

>>15598583
curious

>>15612177
I would assume it's because using a rice cooker just works.

>>15611924
Japan doesn't use rice machines?

>>15603166
yes

>>15598791
>tradition is important for identity
>hey bro, nice to meet you, i'm anon
>im american
If you feel that who you are is more dependent on external factors than internal ones then it doesnt matter what your cultural identity is because it's just molded by where you've lived the longest