/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15583428
I LOVE VALENTINES DAY

>>15583428
Question, will moka pots go the way of the dodo since the 9barista exists? Soon there'll be cheaper versions in a few years, making real stovetop-brewed espresso accessible to more people.

>>15583742
9barista makes bad coffee

>>15583742
moka will always be relevant.

>>15583947
I think he was asking if stove top espresso will be cheaper due to 9barista like how the mokapot made general coffee cheaper due to a great quality to accessibility ratio.

>>15583742
I mean maybe? it's still to new to tell if it's worth it, not to mention it competes with the flair which seems like the most accessible option to make good espresso at a cheap price.

>>15583428
taking my coffee without cream or sugar for a week and i want to tell everybody

>>15584273
good for you.

I'm gonna go make some espresso. Does /ck/ have a home espresso machine? Did you splurge on something good, or cheap out on something like nespresso?

>>15584329
i have a la pavoni stradivari

Fuck these filters. Does anyone know where to get the old untabbed filters 02 at a reasonable price, shipping to Belgium?

>>15583742
it's never going to be as cheap as a moka pot, so no.

i could make sth different on sunday but too lazy to think so went with ordinary ristretto. actually pseudo-ristretto since i use cheapest delonghi machine.

>>15584386
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Hario-VCF-02-100MK-Filter-Misarashi-Dripper/dp/B0029PVRXS/
These cost literally 3x more than in America, wtf

>>15583742
only retards go the extra mile for espresso

>>15584706
That's not really the case with the 9Barista though. The only 'effort' is tweaking the grind and waiting 4-5 minutes for the machine to produce coffee.

Any recommendations on coffee brands? I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I don't even come to ck

>>15584866
1.- whole beans.
2.- from supermarket date of roast or manufacture matters more than brand.

Espresso or filter/pour over
if you can only have one for the rest of your life, which do you choose?

>>15584910
moka

>>15584730
Look. I know im responding to a mongoloid, i know. But i have to tell you. You dont know anything about coffee. Read all the faggot books you want. Go to coffee fest and turn your nose up to the italians and masturbate over synesso. Go pay thousands of dollars to be a q gradee and look at coffee under a uv light. Go for it. I dont even care. Just remember kid, i was stripping trucks of supremos while you were in fucking poopy pants diapers. I remeber when Choc full of Nuts delivered coffee in a fucking rolls royce. Your playing yourself, kid.

I have over 100 specialy offerings from 97 different countries of origin in contianer quanities AT ALL TIMES. Wow you say mr. Coffee broker bean KANG you just doxed yourself on the internet, but i dont care. Fuck you. Ive been doing this so long i was playing golf with the nca guys before it blew up ive been a member and disbarred by the scaa more times then your punk ass has even been on there mailing list. Ive FUCKED my way through more coffee roasters secrateries than you even have in your rolodex. I have a warehouse filled with over $1,000,000 of espresso equipment laying DEFUNCT.

People like you, kid, people like your are marks, customers, losers. Go ahead, drink your shitty overextracted coffee; freeze your green coffee; hook up pid machines to your little home.use espresso machines, buy a 1 bag Lorring. But to me kid, youll always be a loser and a faggot

>>15584910
assuming I can have whatever espresso machine I want? espresso absolutely, even if I'm just drinking it straight, fine even without any americanos or lattes.

>>15584943
meile cva 6401

@15584928
Please have sex and seek treatment, you autistic freak

I'm looking for some recommendations on espresso machines.
Right now I just have the mr coffee espresso machine and it's 'fine' but it doesn't give me the shots that I really want.
I'm wondering if the KRUPS XP3208 is any good or does anyone have any experience with something along the same price range.

looks nice

>>15585033
Ranchillio silva, gaggia brera or academia, gaga classic, brevile double boiler, astoria gloria single if ur ballin

>>15584928
based

>be me
>fucking love lattes
>only type of coffee that doesn't make me incredibly nervous and an insomniac is turkish/arabic black coffee
why

>>15585081
drink a bone dry cappuccino

>>15583866
Bad coffee beans make bad coffee.

>>15584950
Guy thinks pids are unnecessary and recommends overpriced superautomatics. Clown.

>>15583428
Today I had my coffee with oat milk that I had shaken up with honey, vanilla protein powder and vanilla syrup

>>15583428
Coffee should go in the subject field.

>>15584329
I have a Sunbeam EM6910 that I'm determined to hold onto til it dies, with a VST 18g basket that is just thicker than the standard enough that I'm sure it's damaging the collar. But for all the fact that it's definitely appliance tier, it's very temperature stable, you can adjust the brew head temperature, its shot-programming is volumetric, not time based - though I dose onto a scale anyway - and it's continuing to pour very drinkable espresso. When it does finally die I'll drink filter only until I can put a Lelit Mara X on the bench instead, but until that point I continue to be happy with it.

>>15583742
a 9barista will never be under $100. and even if it was, making espresso with a 9barista is much more difficult and involved than using a moka pot.

>>15583742
>>15584913
I still don't know how to make good cuppa' coffee with a moka pot. I read hours about different methods, tried everything, from the amount of coffee, to grinding my own fresh coffee (tried coarse and fine ground), different extracting speeds, nothing helped. Then one day, after having used one for a few months already, I stopped lying to myself and finally admitted that it tastes like SHIT. Are these things a meme pushed by wannabe Italians?

>>15583428
I got gifted a filter recently and I've gotten a few blends. About to try a roast labelled as "very dark". What's a good temperature to heat the water to? Google doesn't have much that specific, sadly

>>15589756
To answer OP question though, usually plain black, sometimes with a small drop of milk

>>15589756
Nvm. I found some stuff and went for about 89 C. It's pretty good

>>15583428
with milk

>>15585678
WAAOHHHHH I CANT AFFORD LITERALLY THE BEST BUILT IN ESPRESSO MACHINE ON THE MARKET THAT ARE USED IN LUXURY HOTEL ROOMS AND YACHTS AND APARTMENTS AND HOUSES ALL OVER THE WORLD WOAAAHH JUST GET A 9BARISTA SENPAI ITS SO MUCH BETTER WOOAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

What do you have with coffee?

>>15589756
>Google doesn't have much that specific, sadly
It has lots very specific information on this subject.
You’re a fucking spastic.

>>15583428
>travel for work
>4 weeks later, come home
>forgot to empty coffee machine before I left, solid puck of white mold in the basket
Wew lad, ,should have taken a picture before I tossed it. I want to replace my Ninja coffee bar, what around the 100 dollar mark is recommended? I like this one because it brewed liters of coffee at a time.

>>15590107
Another cup of coffee

>>15590187
Based

>>15590144
There's like one link about very dark as opposed to just dark. Oh no, I asked for a second opinion

How do I start making good coffee bros? I have a French press but I know I’m using shit preground beans and I’m unsure on how long I’m supposed to brew everything. Anyone have any advice?

>>15590382
Start buying fresh whole beans and grinding them.

is there anything wrong with drinking stale coffee? sometimes I'll make a cup to try and stay up but fall asleep before finishing it
any reason I shouldn't drink it after waking up?

>>15590524
Well the aromatic compounds bake off so it should taste stale but I doubt it will make you sick and it doesn't spoil like milk. The main reason not to finish it is because that would be poorfag and lazy

>>15588163
Anon, please. Moka pot is one of the simplest and more effective methods of making a good cup of coffee. I'm going to detail what I do:
>grab kettle and boil water
>meanwhile grind the beans a medium coarse
>put moka pot on the stove, fill base with boiling water up to the valve, put basket filled with grounds and leveled, then screw firmly the last piece
>turn the stove on LOW, wait for the gurggling noises, take inmediatly out of heat and place under a stream of cold water from the tap
>serve delicious, flavourful, very hot coffee on the mug, done!

>>15590001
Used by custies. Bet you'd suck off the board of jura for a 10% discount.

>>15584866
Brand doesn't matter. Find a local coffee place and just buy whole beans there, any of them, it doesn't matter as long as they're fresh. Or you could order online. I like happy mug

>>15591563
>It doesn't matter as long as they're fresh
I don't know about that chief. Bean and roast quality is very important

>>15590568
>not wasting things is lazy

>>15591583
It's his first time buying fresh coffee. I don't think he can tell the difference. Just let him get some beans dude

I slightly overroasted a batch a couple days ago. It's not terrible, but I am disappointed in myself.
:(

>>15591590
Fresh shit beans could well taste worse than some supermarket stuff though

>>15591664
What are really the chances that you end up with shit beans if you just go to a local coffee place? Besides it's not like you can know beforehand

>>15591668
Bout 75%. You're sending him to get beans from factory workers essentially. They don't give a fuck about roasting as long as their paycheck clears.

>>15592026
I'm talking about local roasters. Coffee places that roast their own beans. I think I said that already

>>15591259
>THE MOST EXPENSIVE AND HIGHEST QUALITY SUPER AUTOMATIC MACHINE FOR HOME USE IN EXISTANCE IS FOR CUSTIES ONLY REAL PROS USE THE 9BARISTA JAMES HOFFMAN SAYS SO I HOME ROAST COFFEE IN A SUPER GENIOUS WOAAAAAAHHH EVERYBODY ELSE IS A CUSTY WOOAOAAAAHHHHHHHHHH


cash in some of ur bitcoins and buy a meila and we can talk fag

>>15592122
>>THE MOST EXPENSIVE AND HIGHEST QUALITY SUPER AUTOMATIC MACHINE FOR HOME USE

Gets blown the fuck out by a niche and silvia if you've got above a lukewarm iq.

Can anybody recommend me a good manual coffee grinder? Looking for something cheaper but still decent. I exclusively use a French press.

>>15593820
Why manual? I came here to ask for recommendations about a burr grinder, but I had an automatic one in mind. What advantage does a manual grinder have, and how long will it take me to grind the 28g of coffee I grind every morning? Right now I have pic related, but mine grinds really inconsistently. One side of the grounds container gets blasted with super fine particles, even when I have it set to it's coarsest setting.

>>15593883
Mainly because I'm broke, but I also think there would be something satisfying about manually grinding my beans as part of my morning coffee ritual.

>>15593928
>I also think there would be something satisfying about manually
probably not.

>>15594188
Thanks for the input. After doing some reading I think I'm going to go with the Hario Skerton

>>15594341
The general advice here is not to get a hario grinder. I have one and I actually agree, it's pretty inconsistent especially on coarser settings

>>15594368
Alright, thanks for the info. I guess I'll do a bit more research. Any recommendations would be appreciated

>>15594571
Porlex

>>15583428
who /vietnamese iced coffee/ here?

>>15594571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn9OuRl1F3k

>>15594585
>tfw you're a tourist from /k/ and instantly translate "porlex" to "vorlex" and search for a grinder that doesn't exist.

>>15583428
Anyone have any tips and tricks on using these Vietnamese coffee makers?

>>15593820
>>15593883
If you're broke timemore c2. If you want an entry level electric wilfa svart or baratza encore. Mid level manuals : timemore/aergrind/1zpresso. Dont ever soend you money on something with ceramic burrs.

This general could really use some pasta to answer FAQ.

>>15590205
Yeah!

>>15596355
Example?

Read the wiki:
https://coffee.fandom.com/wiki/Coffee

FAQ
>What should I drink today?
Iced long black
>What kind of grinder should I use?
Ceramic burr, hand grinder
>What's the best way to get into coffee?
Disregard blends, acquire single origins
>Best grind setting for X brew method?
Read the wiki

>>15596720
>Ceramic burr
Stop reccomending that shit.

>>15596720
Why a hand grinder instead of something like this? I don't have time in the morning to fuck around manually grinding coffee just for the lulz.

>>15596876
Those are garbage unless you throw a $200 set of SSP burrs into it. The whole point of getting a manual grinder is you're not paying for a motor. You are the motor. Therefor, more of the money you spent will go to the burr set. You're not instantaneously boiling water for your coffee, so you can budget out 40 seconds of your morning. Also seeing as you're not paying for a motor or gearing to reduce the action of the motor, you don't have to worry about either of those going out. Buy a $200 hand grinder, be content for the next decade.

>>15595848
It's pretty simple. Watch like 1 or 2 videos on it and you'll get it. Just make sure you figure out the amount of coffee you'll need for the size cafephin you have. From what I see, Vietnamese people themselves don't even use exact measurements and eyeball it.

I use 2 tbsp of coffee for my 4oz cafephin in my picture I posted a few posts before you.

>>15583428
I drink all of my coffee black because I like it that way

>>15597919
Can I really grind an ounce of beans in 40 seconds? The only manual grinder I've used was a piece of shit similar to the picture and it took me at least 5 minutes to grind enough beans for a single cup.

>>15598078
I grind 18g of light roast for espresso daily with a kinu m47p in like 45 seconds. 30+ grams of v60 about the same time. Everyone has been bitching about availability but it looks like this site has them shipping from chicago.

https://gear.coffee/products/m47-phoenix

>>15598139
Actually that site may be fake kek. I've got ZERO clue and its brand new.

>>15598165
Prima coffee has the M47 Simplicity in stock, but they're $269.

>>15598139
>>15598165
>>15598175
https://www.reddit.com/r/espresso/comments/gh97h9/gearcoffee/

Looks like they're good.

>>15588031
>making espresso with a 9barista is much more difficult and involved than using a moka pot.
what the fuck lmao

>>15584910
espressy depressy

>>15586683
>oat milk
ultra based

>>15591259
>Used by custies
makes it more based, retard

>>15597919
How are they garbage? Not saying I don't believe you, but all the reviews I can find say it's a good product. What's so bad about the burrs that are in it? Do they grind inconsistently? Do they wear out quick? Give me something other than, "they're garbage" because I can't find anything online that agrees with your point of view.

>>15598400
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE4NT8MY-Zo

>>15598521
Thanks, checking it out now.

>>15598201
This tbqh.
>fill lower boiler with water, screw on middle section/upper boiler
>weight and grind beans, transfer to portafilter
>level and tamp grounds, put basket/screen on top of grounds
>screw on portafilter
>put machine on stove
>~4.5 minutes later, the shot is done, pour into cup
The whole process from weighing the beans onwards takes about 6 minutes. Easy as fuck.

Been using a Hario V60 for awhile now. I love it, but buying the filters is starting to annoy me. I've looked at the Bodum pour over and it seems interesting. What are your thoughts on it? The idea of having a permanent filter seems nice. I also recently have been looking into getting something to pour the coffee into so I can make bigger batches instead of fitting it directly to one cup/mug. If I want the Hario V60 cup as well as a pack of 100 filters, that will end up being $25 which is more than the Bodum is right now. I question if it is worth it when I could just buy something that I won't need any peripherals for.

My main concern is over the quality of the bodum, and also the safety of metal filters. I'm not sure how different it is from a French press, but I remember reading that paper filters are a lot safer/healthier for people. I like the taste of coffee so I don't mind the oils and flavor being more potent, but I do also want to protect my health. Does it really make a big difference using a paper filter pour over versus something like the Hario? I've also heard that the Bodum has a tendency to have the water pour too quickly and thus the coffee isn't properly brewed.

>>15599769
I just use a #2 filer on top of the metal filter, I just buy a 100 pack of the brew right filters too.
Works fine.

>>15599769
Can't you just buy a small glass carafe?
There's nothing inherently wrong with metal filters. You'll just get more particulate matter and oils from the coffee, which will give it a different mouthfeel and taste. You'll probably need to adjust your grind as well, since the metal filter might provide less resistance.

>>15599769
I should mention I added the paper filter to deal with the 'grit' that settles to the bottom if I don't use a paper filter.

>>15599916
That's what I was referring to. A small glass carafe + 100 filters for the Hario V60 will end up costing more than the Bodum, which has a built in carafe and filter so I would never have to buy extras for it again theoretically.
>>15599812
>>15600294
To be honest I just don't see the point buying it at all if I'm going to get filters for it anyway.

Also does anyone know what generic paper filter I should use with Hario V60? I buy a #2 of theirs for mine so I tried buying a #2 Kroger branded filter and it was too small. I am guessing I need a #4 or is it just not compatible at all? The off brand filters are less than half the price of Hario's overpriced filters.

>>15600713
idk man a pack of #2 filters is like 3 dollars

>>15600713
Just remember that you usually get what you pay for when it comes to cheap coffee filters. And you aren't really comparing apples to apples when looking at a metal filter vs. a paper filter. Paper and metal filters will give you a different cup. With that being said, if you don't care either way, then yeah, go for whatever works for your budget.

>>15600713
Just try a bunch of different #4 cone filters from the grocery store. I am 100% certain you will find one that tastes pretty much the same and costs less. It's fucking paper. This is not high tech shit.

Timemore G1 vs Kinu M47

I brew pour over or french press. I don't have an espresso machine, nor do I have plans to get one anytime soon.

>>15600896
Kinu because I don’t want to support chinkshit, and you can use the M47 as a weapon.
My only issue is it’s annoying switching between pourover and espresso grinds. I’ve thought about buying a basic M47 with the pourover burr.

>>15600896
Both now have swappable burrs. Not sure if anyone here has gotten the new timemore e&b burrs or whatever the fuck they're called. I've got the kinu so my vote is for that.

>>15583742
no, moka is a thing because its far more cheap and accessible and not everyone is trying to get real espresso. 9barista trying to make something at a comparable price range will probably just end up with a moka pot or something similar. but who knows?

>>15599769
i had the bodum pourover before switching to a chemex then switching to a v60. the bodum carafe is nice but its more annoying to clean compared to a v60 glass carafe. plus the glass on the bodum is kind of cheap imo. paper vs metal taste is a matter of preference, but i'd say you'd do better with paper. i would just get the v60 filters and carafe and be done with it.

>>15600713
for filters i just get hario's. but it's fun to experiment, i would just do this if you're trying to find something good that is carried by your local store and more cost effective: >>15600855

>>15601806
Any recommendations on what carafe to get? Should I just grab the Hario 800 one?

>>15598052
Yeah I must have missed your post. So far I'm eyeballing both the amount of coffee and condensed milk. I'm thinking of also adding something else like turmeric for example and see how that goes

Can anyone recommend a good French press? I broke mine last night, dropped the glass insert. I could buy a replacement glass but this thing is like 10yr old so I don't mind buying a new one.

Also for pour over do any of you use a reusable strainer like a metal one with small holes or one of those "coffee sock" things, is it better to just use a paper filter?

>>15602674
I've been using this one for a couple years. No glass to break, keeps coffee hot for a long time.

>>15584273
this is how i always drink it. this is how chads drink coffee.

>>15602822
Aight, I'll get it. if it turns out bad I'm gonna find you and fuck your ass and sprinkle coffee grounds in once I'm done

>>15602911
Don't threaten me with a good time.

Is there a way to make milk foam with a Dolce Gusto machine?

>>15603974
If you have a french press and a microwave, it's quite easy

>>15604385
I have a french press but I tried to imitate what the original capsules do. I wanted just to pop in a capsule and get the froth milk, but the milk powder capsules have a weird bottom, which differ from the coffee ones.

>>15602265
I've got a super kawaii kruve evoke. Its only 600ml tho.

>>15602265
i have the slightly smaller 02 700mL carafe, came with the hario starter set bundle. 800mL sounds good, esp if you want to make like 3 cups in one pour-over

>>15602467
The right amount of condensed milk is for your taste. You might need more for how bitter your coffee might be.

Anyone here got an opinion on this guy? Just trying to weigh all my options before I pull the trigger on an M47.

>>15604672
I really like the design of it, but having the grind adjustment inside of the catch cup is a deal breaker for me.

Coof

>>15596720
>disregard blends
Look. I know im responding to a mongoloid, i know. But i have to tell you. You dont know anything about coffee. Read all the faggot books you want. Go to coffee fest and turn your nose up to the italians and masturbate over synesso. Go pay thousands of dollars to be a q gradee and look at coffee under a uv light. Go for it. I dont even care. Just remember kid, i was stripping trucks of supremos while you were in fucking poopy pants diapers. I remeber when Choc full of Nuts delivered coffee in a fucking rolls royce. Your playing yourself, kid.

I have over 100 specialy offerings from 97 different countries of origin in contianer quanities AT ALL TIMES. Wow you say mr. Coffee broker bean KANG you just doxed yourself on the internet, but i dont care. Fuck you. Ive been doing this so long i was playing golf with the nca guys before it blew up ive been a member and disbarred by the scaa more times then your punk ass has even been on there mailing list. Ive FUCKED my way through more coffee roasters secrateries than you even have in your rolodex. I have a warehouse filled with over $1,000,000 of espresso equipment laying DEFUNCT.

People like you, kid, people like your are marks, customers, losers. Go ahead, drink your shitty overextracted coffee; freeze your green coffee; hook up pid machines to your little home.use espresso machines, buy a 1 bag Lorring. But to me kid, youll always be a loser and a faggot

thoughts on the Breville Smart Grinder Pro for espresso?

I managed to snag a refurbished one on Amazon for $160 total. My machine is a modified Delonghi ec155 that i got with a gift card about a year ago and I've been using preground illy ever since but I wanted to start grinding my own

>>15606104
I've had the first-gen Smart Grinder for about five years using it pretty much exclusively for espresso for the first three years or so and always liked it. Can't speak for the changes they made to the newer one but I found the early version to be fairly low on retention, relatively consistent.It's a little slow but I think it's pretty good bang for buck. (bang for puck, maybe lol) As time went on I started running out of adjustment at the fine end - yours I think has a second level of macro adjustment? Mine I was able to shim for a while, then got a good deal on a Sette 270 and moved on, but yeah I think they're pretty decent for the money.

>>15606104
>Delonghi ec155

>Pump pressure (bar): 15

Yikes.

>>15606245
hoping to upgrade soon, but like i mentioned I'm a year in and trying to figure things out before shellin out for something nicer

>>15606274
Post your puck tomorrow.

>>15606409
Not that guy and not suggesting that 15 bar at the pump is a good idea but in general terms, puck CSI isn't always a firm guide to shot quality. I used a machine for years that would produce wet sloppy bucks unless you updosed what was recommended to be 16g to about 20g, and then you were seeing the shower screen on the puck. If you kept it in around the 18g range you'd end up with a soft puck and muck in the basket but it was pulling 38g out in 29 seconds and a balanced shot every morning.

>>15606445
Oh I know. I just want to see this crater that left over to shy other b0z0s away from 15 bar pumps.

What do I do with shitty tasting beenz

>>15606657
Coldbrew.

>>15606642
its just coffee bro chill

>>15606445
>would produce wet sloppy bucks
hot

Bros, I need help!
I want to make mocha pudding but literally every pudding recipe I find needs some fucking butter. We don't have good butter here, it's just margarine shit, what do I do bros? Can I just replace the butter with something else like just extra vanilla, cornstarch and milk or maybe egg yolks?

>>15608595
Why don’t you just make your own butter?
It’s pretty easy to do.

>>15608605
Hm, that could be a pretty fun experiment. I'll do my research on it. But we don't have the new mixer until early march yet and I need the pudding done by tomorrow.
But I'm still looking for some substitutes still.

>>15583428
From a hipster cafe

How much is 250 grams of coffee beans?

>>15590107
Really buttery croissant, or a chocolate chip cookie.

>>15608664
A quarter of a kilo

>>15590107

test

>>15608977
Worth checking around the edges to see if that's a gap there, anon - if it's broken away from the wall that's a massive channel - might be worth trying a few shots without polishing the puck when you tamp for starters

>>15608990
thanks anon

I've heard hand grinding for espresso gets old/annoying really fast, is it that bad?

I'd like to get a grinder just for espresso (I already have an Encore for pour-overs), but I'm wondering if I should get a 1Zspresso JX-PRO or save up for something like a Eureka Mignon.

>>15608625
you can use heavy whipping cream+gelatine, or coconut oil to reach the fat content and consistensy that butter would give to a pudding. Or don't be a pussy and just buy some delicious butter

Judge jingleheimerschmidt is nice guy

>>15609224
Go for the Mignon if you value convenience.

>>15609224
making espresso at home kills the whole "experience", italians just take it as a 1 minute coffee. so ofc grinding, loading and cleaning everything for one shot gets old fast.

>>15583742
>Design a way to quickly make coffee so people waste as little time as possible during breaks.
>Faggot humans take the concept and make it really slow by trying to be fancy
Why does this happen so often?

>>15593928
>>15593820
Don't go manual.
I'm giving you this advice as someone who has been using a Hario grinder for years, planning to get one of the Bodum grinders.
It's not worth it to spend 15 minutes for a cup of french press coffee, and finer grinds will make you want to kill yourself, except your arms won't be able to after all the grinding.

>>15609715
Please don't lead others to believe your shitty hario is indicative of the manual grinder market.

>>15609224
Buy a kinu. I posted a link earlier from a chicago shop that has them in stock.

>>15590107

I typically grind my beans down then use a French Press to filter it. Drink it with added butter and coconut oil.

>>15606104
IMO the cheapest electric grinder for decent espresso. Good choice. Will make your cheap machine shots taste better now that you're grinding whole bean right before you brew. Also good for filter I believe. Espresso is obviously an expensive affair but you're making your inroads.

>>15609224
Possibly, I believe hand grinding on the expensive hand grinders is relatively fast and painless, but it's still extra effort in the involved ritual of making espresso. If you can see yourself traveling or going outdoors a lot, the hand grinder is possibly a better investment, but otherwise it might be better to save up for a Mingon if you value convenience more.

>>15609715
I had a shitty hand grinder at a similar price point, it was annoying, but I think that the more expensive manuals make the grind quick and easy, so I wouldn't discount manuals off the Hario experience. That said, you should probably save up a little more and get the Baratza Encore, much better quality wise and the customer support was extremely helpful with repairs and upgrades.

>>15610698
>Baratza Encore
The main reason I'm looking at the bodum grinder is the size desu.
Otherwise I'd go with the Wilfa.

>>15608664
Price? Varies.
Weight conversion? ~1/2lb

>>15610698
>If you can see yourself traveling or going outdoors a lot

>>15611667
>He doesn't /out/
Gay

>>15611746
Limp wrist electric grinder owners think hand grinders are specifically for /out/doors men. Can't fucking make that up.

>>15612040
Ahh, you're one of them there unwrangled retards, aint ya?

>>15612112
What no? My wrists would snap like balsa wood if I tried to grind by hand. Real men use chinese motors.

>>15609568
My work flow for espresso, including weighing and single dosing the grinder, and using an OCD tool because I am a gigantic faggot, is three minutes from opening the bag of beans to drinking, including cleanup.

>>15611667
I camp a couple of times a year, and I travel for work a lot more times a year, and a hand grinder comes with me for both. How tolerant are you of shitty hotel coffee, anon

>>15588004
>Lelit Mara X
why that brand? been looking for something beyond my SBU Silvia

>>15609568
>>15612751
Fug. Just made one in 3min 24 sec. I'm slipping.

>>15612758
I'm just memeing bro. Whether one goes outside or not should not factor in what fucking coffee grinder to get.

>>15584910
espresso is coffee
everything else is catpiss

>>15612968
So I've been toying with the idea of upgrading machines for a couple of years, and have gotten close to buying a Silvia or a Gaggia Pro in the past. But I don't want to have to deal with temperature surfing. I have a couple of workmates who have Silvias, one PID'd, one not, and I had a play on their machines but it kinda seemed like I'd be taking steps forward in some places and back in others. So that took me down the road of looking into heat exchanger machines. Got very settled on the idea of an Oscar II, to the point of adding one to a shopping cart, but got put off by people talking about much pressure they're putting through without an OPV, and then the costs of an OPV on top, and while I don't really give much of a fuck about what something looks like, the Oscar II is just weird enough looking that it kinda was a straw breaking the camel's back.

Had a friend overseas who suggested the Mara, I've been reading about them as widely as I can, watching workflow videos, seeing what hobbyists are doing with them mods wise - for fun, not to bring them up to a standard on purchase like PIDing a single boiler or putting an OPV on an Oscar - and have since had another friend recommend them who's run cafes and competed in barista comps some time ago. They seem to be well-received, they seem to perform well, it looks a little bit like the Rocket Appartamento that I'd really love but that I cannot fucking justify, and it doesn't take up massive amounts of benchspace.

>something beyond my SBU Silvia
That gap between Gaggia Pro/Silvia and then $3-5k machines doesn't have a huge amount to choose from, does it?

>>15612973
I could see manual grinders being more popular in Texas.

>>15613038
>That gap between Gaggia Pro/Silvia and then $3-5k machines doesn't have a huge amount to choose from, does it?
Exactly. Also, it seems beyond the hobbyist pricepoint of Silvia etc. there is less research and details on models, durability etc.

Thanks for sharing. Leaves me with something to look into. I similarly want something with a better heating mechanism.

>>15608595
Purely out of curiosity, how do you not have butter near you? Or where are you that butter isn't available?

>>15590107
Something fatty

>>15583428
Is it possible to make decent coffee in a brewer from beans? I got some as a gift and I think i fucked it up after putting it through. Tasted and smelled burnt

>>15613136
>Exactly. Also, it seems beyond the hobbyist pricepoint of Silvia etc. there is less research and details on models, durability etc.
Yeah it's irritating. Not a small amount of money but hard to feel like you're making a well-informed choice.

>>15613199
Right. I know the silvia in and out. Know parts are available because it's popular. With these less popular machines it's hard to even research all that. Any thoughts on the decent? Seems a bit prosumer and same worry about it being around in the long run although I do somewhat buy into the mission statement marketing

>>15613209
>Any thoughts on the decent?
Looks very promising but it's out of my price range so I've not dove particularly deep on it. From my perspective I'd say something similar - good potential if it stays supported but if it turns to abandonware and something breaks you've got an expensive paperweight. At least most Italian machines are at their heart, plumbing, lol.

>>15613219
>to abandonware and something breaks you've got an expensive paperweight.
exactly. I don't mind throwing cash at something good, but expect it to put in a bunch of years service with the right treatment. My PIDed Silvia has a manu date of 02, and I've used it for close to a decade now with regular maintenance. It's been trouble free. If I get closely the same out of a machine with a more reliable heating system, would be happy.

>>15613233
>If I get closely the same out of a machine with a more reliable heating system, would be happy.
And that's exactly what I want to find lol

>>15613189

Tonight I am drinking a nice, spicy Kenyan. I find a lot of Kenyan coffees have a chocolatey base flavor that reminds me of Cocoa Puffs. This one has got some interesting fruited flavors mixed in with that. Cherries maybe? It tastes like red. Is that a flavor? Hint of grape. Then there's a big hit of cloves in the finish. Tongue tingly. How fun! I'm really enjoying the Kenyans this year.

>>15583742
what does a 9barista do that a Brikka does not?

>>15613780
Operate at 9 bar of pressure?

>>15614107
>300lbs for 9 piddly bar

why not get a Flair for half that and spend the rest on a good grinder

>>15614181
I don't know, I don't own either, just suggesting how it's different to a Moka pot. People like different things anon, especially when it comes to hobbies.

>>15614196
The point of a moka pot is that it is simple and cheap. 9barista seems to be a solution looking for a poblem.

>>15614201
>9barista seems to be a solution looking for a poblem
Coffee hobby at its core, my friend. I'm not in the market for one, but as someone with some basic knowledge when it comes to aircraft turbine engines, the fact that the designer is an engineer with background in jet turbines amuses me a little bit because there's philosophical links between a 9barista and a turbine. But it's not something that would bring me happiness of a morning, so I'm not going to buy one. Equally though, I'm not going to shit one someone for enjoying using one of a morning either.

Does cold brew work with ground coffee the consistency of which you would use for drip coffee? Or only coarse?

Got my regular go to coffee(local caturra blend) and found some yigracheffe, was out of coffee but now I'm back in business lads!

>>15614220
The fact that it can be considered a "hobby" is cringeworthy on its own. These hipsters need shitting on.

can't top pic rel

Hot & Cold

>>15614181
Depends where you live. In the UK, the Pro 2 is slightly more expensive than the 9Barista. The only other Flair we have access to is the Neo.

>>15614584
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE

>>15614353
It'll work fine, but the finer grind will affect your steep time. Play around with it.

>>15614181
I've got a modded flair and I want a 9barista. Thing looks cool. TBD if it makes "better" espresso than a flair, but who cares. That quality of product does not come along very often. Its the Cremina of stovetops for what $400 shipped?

Ahhhhh

>>15583428
Just a simple vanilla latte with my nespresso, flavored with vanilla powder from a local coffee shop.

>>15616621
>getting fecal matter in your coffee