/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15541827
Here's a little historical factoid for ya


You're a faggot

Pineapples were a real status object and people would rent a pineapple to display at parties

koreans invented all the food in the world. If there's a dish anywhere it actually originated in korea

>>15541827
Almond milk as a substitute for dairy goes back as far as ~1300. Originally consumed because of Church-mandated days of fasting. Almonds and almond flour were also favored among the nobility back then.

>>15541827
McDonald's had onion nuggets before they introduced chicken nuggets

>>15541868
Another interesting dietary law tidbit--since fish meat was still allowed to be consumed, the Church's definition of what constituted a fish became rather lax. Anything from a beaver, to seals/porpoise, to puffins could be passed off as "fish," since it lived near the water, and so was allowed to be eaten during lent and on days of fasting.

>>15541890
Forgot pic

why did dandelion fall off in culinary use? It's an entirely edible plant, and so easy to find in the wild. When I go mushrooms hunting I always get some dandelion, too.

>>15541827
Pound cake got its name because the original recipe called for a pound of each ingredient

In medieval times, seating at the Lord's, Baron's or King's table was strictly hierarchical. The more important you were, the closer to the top man you sat. The top man was served first and premium dishes descended to the ranks from his position. Some condiments and ingredients we take for granted today, only went down the table so far. There was a dividing line. Those too far away from the top man at table, got none of that particular thing. This was especially true of powdered spices which were expensive and in particular, ground salt.

To "Sit below the salt" became a saying which referred to the low status of the individual you were commenting on. "I plan to rise above the salt." showed you had ambitions in life in general, even if you never dined with the nobility.

Potatoes are earth eggs

>>15542331
scallops are sea potatoes

>>15541910
Diuretic

>>15542331
The literal translation from Dutch, is Earth Apples.

>>15542365
same with french
>>15542311
"worth one's salt" or is that from salary = a wage of salt dating back to the Romans

>>15541866
The only things Koreans invented are kimchi and turtle boats and kimchi isn't even that good.
They steal more shit than the Chibese

>>15542396
dont forget poo wine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74V4BOF5IAg&t=2s

Carrots were mostly purple until the 17th century

>>15542534
I learnt this from Jason Oliver.

>>15542395
Yes, that phrase was used by the Romans. It's survived better and longer than the ones I paraphrased.

>>15541827
McDonald's used to have a burger with pineapple

>>15542850
Yes, because eating meat on Friday was something some christians could not do. They invented the fillet o fish for the same reason, in 1962.

The style of dining we use where meals are broken up into courses eaten in a particular order such as appetisers, main course and dessert is really quite a modern invention, it was created by the Russians and they brought the idea to France in around 1810, and from there it spread throughout the western world and became the norm by around 1890. It's called Service à la russe (service in the Russian style).

Before that all the food would just be brought to the table at once and you'd eat whatever you wanted in whatever order you like, which was called Service à la française (service in the French style).

>>15542925
This I did not know, and I find it an interesting anecdote. Thank you for posting it.

Barbecue was not invented in The South. People have been cooking meat over flame for tens of thousands of years.

>>15541827
Subway was originally called Pete's submarines

>>15542865
Independently owned McDonalds did so earlier, much to the chagrin of corporate HQ until they realized that it was a money maker in those markets at which point it went nationwide.

>>15543012
I listened to ray Kroc's autobiography on audiobook a while ago... It was he who put the half a slice of cheese on the Fillet o Fish and made it a "winner"... Said he anyway. The man had an ego.

>>15541827
this guy died after eating a traditional swedish sweet roll in milk, among some other things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semla

>>15543124
examples of the culprits

>>15541891
I once read a story about a monk who tried to raise pigs in water to claim they were fish and fair to eat. It might’ve been fiction, could be out of Dostoevsky or something. Anyone know what I’m talking about? I don’t remember the source.

>>15543124
"The King was regarded as dependent on others, a weak ruler, and lacking of any talents. However, he was allegedly a good husband, a caring father, and a gentle master to his servants. His favourite pastime was to make snuffboxes, which he allegedly spent a great deal of time doing. His hospitality and friendliness were witnessed by many who deeply mourned him at his death."

Nice guy it seems, but with an eating disorder related to sweet rolls.

>>15543124
>King Adolf Frederick of Sweden died of digestion problems on February 12, 1771 after consuming a meal consisting of lobster, caviar, sauerkraut, smoked herring and champagne, which was topped off by fourteen helpings of hetvägg (semla), the king's favorite dessert.
it was probably the herring

>>15543150
>fourteen helpings of hetvägg

You think so??

>>15543154
i mean if the 1st didn't kill him why would the 14th

>>15542534
Cherries used to taste very different ca. 1930. That’s why cherry flavored candies taste different from modern cherries. The cherry candies are flavored after the old style, which no longer exists naturally.

>>15542970
The name barbecue originates in the Caribbean right?

>>15543131
These look pretty good

>>15543164
isnt that bananas, because they're all cuttings/clones of each other and a mold wiped out every plantation

>>15543158
Volume?

>>15543195
Pretty sure it was cherries but it could’ve happened with bananas too. God knows the candies don’t taste like the fruit

What would happen if I drank weak alcohol with every meal like people had to do before clean water?

>>15543230
Nothing much. You'd be well hydrated. If you buy non alcoholic beer, mix it about 50/50 with regular or light beer, you'll have a rough equivalent.

>>15543228
Concord grapes, which are what grape candies are based off of, do still exist but are dramatically less popular than they used to be on their own. In most places the only place that you can find them is in jams or jellies.

There's just a general trend of candies reflecting the taste of old varieties of fruit, which either no longer exist or have simply fallen out of fashion.

>>15541827
There are about 7500 different varieties of apples in the world today. Many of these are quite rare now and in danger of dying out. A few are limited to two or three trees in a single orchard.

Similarly, there are about 4000 different varieties of potato, 2000 of peaches, 20 of plums and 400 of cabbage.

Only a few of these ever make it to the modern grocery store or restaurant.

>>15542331
No, they're dirt apples
t. frenchman

>>15543150
>fourteen helpings of hetvägg (semla), the king's favorite dessert.
Based fatass

>>15543253
Interesting.
Lobster used to be considered a disgusting food, like rats, and they’d serve it to the prisoners in Alcatraz.

>>15543283
They're literally "Apples of (the) earth" in French. Dirty apples would be "pommes sales".

>>15543179
think you can down fourteen?

>>15543306
Wait I misread your post and am in fact a retard. I think it'd be "pommes saletés" if they were literally dirt apples though, unless I'm mistaken.

>>15541827
>>15543304
English servants used to have it written into their contracts that they would not be fed salmon more than a certain number of times a week at mealtimes. Canned salmon from North America was considered a low quality, undesirable food.

The same goes for lobster in New England.

>>15543334
similarly in medieval time salmon was considered lower class and chicken high class, because if you could afford chicken you were saying you didn't need it for its eggs
King Henry IV of France vowed on his coronation in 1589 that “if God grants me the usual length of life, I hope to make France so prosperous that every peasant will have a chicken in his pot on Sunday.” also been attributed to every american president between 1920-1936

>>15542290
Pound each of :
1. Flour
2. Egg
3. Sugar
?

>>15542365
same in french.

>>15543390
>also been attributed to every american president between 1920-1936
A number of them genuinely said this, I'm inclined to believe that one of them was just familiar with the quote and just adopted it himself, with the others following because hey it's a good campaign slogan for the era.

>>15543397
butter too

>>15541827
What I want to know is how bread was invented.

You have to gather enough wheat or whatever grains (which I imagine would be hard if you aren't cultivating it, but I may be wrong). And why would you be cultivating it if you didn't know about bread (a bit of chicken and the egg thing goign on here).

So anyway, you would have to gather enough grains, grind them into a powder and then learn to mix it with water, let it sit, pound it out and then bake in a fire.

What a process.

>>15543407
oh, right.

>>15543416
in italy archaeologists found the 'worlds oldest bread' 30k years old and it was more accurately baked root vegetable+grain paste. grinding grains makes them easier to eat and proofing probably came about when someone left dough and wild yeast made it rise

>>15543416
The common idea is that grain porridge got cooked, probably forming a flatbread. Also explains sourdough from porridge that started to ferment.

Elizabeth I made it law that lamb had to be eaten with 'bitter herb' this was done to discourage eating lamb so shepherds could get more wool before selling the meat as mutton, someone tried it with mint and it became a British classic just like pork and apple. probably hurt the wool industry more than helping

>>15543390
I just looked up the Chicken in every pot quote and you are right. However, it was a committee and not Herbert Hoover himself (I didn't know this either) who re-used the saying in American politics. Then Hoover's opponents began using it to mock him as the depression got worse and worse.

>>15543491
Not really sincere history, but here is another depression era tidbit
http://www.listsofnote.com/2012/04/f-scott-fitzgeralds-turkey-recipes.html?m=1

>>15543514
For you then, and thanks for the F. Scott laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRKls2LLMqU-uK2csT6FOKw

>>15541827
Based history

>>15543390

>similarly in medieval time salmon was considered lower class

because they were eating cured salmon not pan seared salmon

>>15543581
we get salmon in our rivers, fresh salmon was also lower class

>>15543514
I bookmarked that website. Plenty of interesting things to read there.

>>15541827
apple pie is a dutch creation

Despite chocolate bars and cookies in general existing for centuries prior, chocolate chip cookies weren't invented until the late 1930s in Massachusetts, and were popularized by American soldiers in WWII, who were first exposed to them via MA soldiers being sent chocolate chip cookies as gifts from their families.

>>15543620
wow that is interesting anon. i had no idea

>>15543620
>Look it up thinking it's bullshit
>It's real
The fuck, I never knew they were that recent

>>15543620
I would like to make the observation here, that there is nothing fouler than biting into what you think is a nice chocolate chip cookie, only to discover that you've been fooled by a raisin one.

>>15543714
I agree with this despite also liking raisin cookies, the expectation vs outcome is just so different it makes me wretch.

What would you order from Delmonico's NYC, Anon?

>>15543620
another great invention of MASSACHVSETTS

>>15543748
Can I get uhhh
one brilliantine and dime cigars please

>>15543748
What's up with those prices?

>>15543811
Note the date, the prices are listed in cents.

>>15543812
Didn't notice that, but was thinking they were in cents. What's this like adjusted for inflation?

>>15543828
A dollar in 1899 comes out to about 30 bucks today.

>>15543828
$1 (the cost of the soft shell crab) in 1899 money would be equivalent to $31.53 today. Seems like a pretty ritzy place.

>>15541827
>general

>>15543844
>Seems like a pretty ritzy place.

It was, and it still is.... Since 1837.

>>15541827
One time a Jew just put a big lump of dough in someone’s broth, we’ve hated them ever since

>>15543835
>>15543844
Imagine paying 30 bucks for a preserved artichoke bottom or about 37 for mushrooms on toast. Interesting to see a dandelion salad at such an expensive place.

>>15543864
What's the menu like today?

>>15543885
Fairly reasonable actually. Zagat sets it at around 80 bucks per person.

https://www.delmonicos.com/dinner-menu/

>>15543620
I don't know how true this is, but I heard the Japanese hate the smell of chocolate chip cookies and cinnamon rolls. They think it's weird.
>*sniffs raw fish*

>>15543144
I've not heard the pig story before, but...

"Around the year 600, the tale goes, Pope Gregory the Great issued a papal edict declaring that fetal rabbits were not meat. Because fluid-filled amniotic sacs surrounded rabbit fetuses, they counted as fish. Eaten this way the rabbits were a delicacy — a snack called laurices (always plural because, like potato chips, you wouldn't eat just one). French Catholic monks, who abstained from meat while observing Lent, pounced on the opportunity."

And this is how we eventually got the domesticated rabbit.

>>15543620
According to wikipedia, restaurants are a recent thing too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restaurant#History

>>15541861
Nipponese still use melons in this way.

>>15541827
For me, it's Orange Fool. The best dessert.

>>15541891
To be fair, many of the sea monsters they drew looked like scaled aquatic mammals. Proconceptions are strong.
No wonder horny sailors were seeing women's asses on sea manatees.

>>15541910
What are you on about? My grandmother makes salad from dandelions she buys from the store.

>>15542343
Man, I'd be dead from too much omega 6 compared to 3 if that was the case.
I could eat shellfish all day. Probably best it's cost prohibitive, so I can't, or I'd grow allergic. It's literally a phobia of mine to never be able to eat shellfish again. Poor orthodox jews.

>>15543195
The gros michel monotype is essentially wiped out. It is now cavendish.
You are correct.

>>15543938
>teachers told us wikipedia was not that reliable and that you should not put personal information online
>less than a decade later the opposite is taught

We might be in for a roller coaster soon.

>>15543938
apparently in pubs you used to be able to bring your own meat in to have them cook it for you, not use when that evolved into pubs serving their own food, but then again thats not a dedicated building serving sit down food

>>15544000
>he's only just noticed
been in a coma for the past 12 years?

>>15543236
Yeah it way called "small beer" and did have a very weak alcohol content. So weak you'd be pissing yourself silly if you tried to get drunk on it

>>15544026
People used to bring their dinner pies and meat dishes to the baker and use the oven to cook them. Not everyone had an oven in the home. The literal opposite of our modern "Take and Bake".

>>15544109
oh yeah same with bread dough

Graham crackers were invented to help curb sexual desires

>>15541898
That sounds pretty good, actually. I love onions. What were they, just fried onion puree or something?

>>15544109
A hot oven required a lot of fuel and it was impossible for everyone to have their own. I grew up on a farm where we had a traditional oven from the late 19th century that was used maybe twice a year. It took half a day to heat up, and would actually stay hot for multiple days. Back then if you got a big oven hot you would bake and cook everything you could.

The only period of history I know anything about is the golden age of piracy, and people already know everything about cuisine from that era thanks to pop culture. Yeah, we all know that rum was mixed with lime juice for its anti-scorbutic properties.

>>15544363
same with cornflakes.

>>15544363
Why do Americans pronounce it 'Gram crackers'?

>>15544418
How do you pronounce it then?

>>15544418
Because they were invented in America and thus the pronunciation is dictated by the pronunciation of the country in which they were invented.

>>15543620
>Despite chocolate bars...centuries earlier
They were invented in the 19th century

>>15544427
Gray-am

>>15544427
Graham crackers

>>15544428
The name Graham dates back to the 11th century

>>15544457
My grandparents from Maine pronounce it that way

>>15544457
Doesn't matter, Graham is pronounced in a certain way in the US and as a US invention they thus get to pronounce it in their own way. Just like how Brits get to claim the pronunciation of Worchester sauce and French the proper way to say lieutenant.

>>15544476
Oops, meant this for >>15544455

>>15544480
Worcestershire and Lieutenant were not existing words that they inexplicably decided to pronounce differently. Graham crackers are named after Sylvester Graham, and the name Graham is pronounced Gray-am.

>>15544508
>Worcestershire
Literally pronounced differently compared to how it was historically pronounced
>Lieutenant
French went through a huge number of sound changes, possibly the most out of any Romance Language, and it absolutely was pronounced differently when the word was coined

>>15542947
You're post reeks of reddit

>>15543164
I am fairly sure this is bananas. I can find no reference to this about cherries on the internet.

>>15544739
It's definitely true about grape flavored things. Don't think it's true about cherries

>>15544706
your

>>15543416
Early humans began cultivating grains for beer. Bread came after.

>>15544748
Concord grapes (the grape that artificial grape flavoring is based off of) still exists and is widely used today. The Gros Michel banana is all but extinct.

The phrase Let them eat cake/brioche (Qu'ils mangent de la brioche) wasn't referring to actual cake, brioche at the time was referring to crumbs leftover on the bottom of pans, so it was seen as even more insulting.

>>15545043
No. Brioche was just brioche. Brioche was more expensive than a regular loaf of bread because it used lots of butter. Here is an 18th century painting featuring brioche. The idea behind the phrase was that the speaker was suggesting the poor eat a luxury food item that they wouldn't have been able to afford, given the fact that the speaker was just told they can't afford bread.

>>15544706
> Politeness and civility "reeks of reddit".

Well too fucking bad if it does. You reek of cock-cheese.

>>15541891
lifehack!

>>15543748
Chicken and leak soup. Loin of lamb with mint sauce. Stewed tomatoes

>>15545607
Fuck off kind stranger

>>15542925
Service a la francaise was broken up into courses, with the exception of highly elaborate feasts. The primary difference is that with Russe, food was plated/portioned by staff (Francaise, you served yourself) and dishes were not typically kept on the table.

>>15541861
Same with celery, it was common to the have a a vase of fresh celery on display just a few decades ago

>>15543932
Based Pope Greg

the lands of milk and honey were actually the lands of date syrup and yogurt

>>15542975
No way

>>15541860
>Reddit spacing
You’ve just outed yourself.
Go back.

>>15543174
Yeah. Like most American traditions barbecue is coon culture.

>>15544480
>Worchester

>>15546716
>Rooster chest sir

>>15541866
>>15542396
dumb as hell there are actually koreaboos. korean cuisine is the most overrated food in the world. dumb niggers idolize paying premium price for being given raw meat to fucking cook yourself.

>>15546692
>deliberately using single spacing to pretend you're not from reddit

>tfw the French were Soo pretences that they insulted there way to the top

>>15547173
>pretentious
>their
Keep working on your English, Chang.

King Oscar discovered the island of Sardinia where he invented deenz.

>>15547382
what are deenz?

>>15547382
Based

>>15547382
Hail King Oscar!

>>15547382
I'm having deenz for lunch today

>>15547382
Long live the deenz

>>15542925
Sorry, this is incorrect.

Service à la française included courses. The difference is that with Service à la française, all dishes in each course would be set in a pre-determined pattern on the table at the same time. The hosts and guests would then serve each other based on what was nearby--this included not only portioning out food but carving up the meats, with staff on hand in case you wanted something that was at the opposite end of the table. Whole meats would typically be set at the head of the table as the host would be prepared to carve them.

With Service à la russe, the meal was broken up into far more courses/services--so instead of all the dishes which would have, under the French style, been part of a single course set on the table, only each specific dish would be served at once. This is why you started seeing meals with many many courses, because rather than the first course being all savory dishes (soup, vegetables, fish); it would be soup only, then second course was vegetables, then third course was fish, etc. The only dishes set on the table would be additions that people could choose to add more of to their food, such as a sauce; dessert was sometimes used as the centerpiece, along with flowers and decorations. People were served by staff, and did not serve themselves.

Image is an example of a second course for a French service.

>>15548325
And here is a Russian style service. As you can see, the only food on the table is the dessert, which doubled as the centerpieces/decorations.

>>15543958
>It's literally a phobia of mine to never be able to eat shellfish again.

dude same here. I thought I was the only person with a weird fear of becoming allergic to things I love eating

>>15548325
if you hate someone, seat them in front of the pickled smelts

>>15541861
we should continue this tradition

>>15546692
>this conscious single spacing
lmao

Cubby Broccoli, producer for the James Bond movies, invented broccoli

French royals had a tradition called dining 'en grand couvert,' which was basically eating your meal in a public ceremony. The public was allowed to enter the palace as long as they met a threshold for being dressed decently (and you could rent clothes at the gate) and you could go watch various royals eating their meals like a public spectacle.

a former lady in waiting wrote:

>One of the customs most disagreeable to the Queen was that of dining every day in public. Maria Leczinska had always submitted to this wearisome practice; Marie Antoinette followed it as long as she was Dauphiness. The Dauphin dined with her, and each branch of the family had its public dinner daily. The ushers suffered all decently dressed people to enter; the sight was the delight of persons from the country. At the dinner-hour there were none to be met upon the stairs but honest folks, who, after having seen the Dauphiness take her soup, went to see the Princes eat their ‘bouilli’, and then ran themselves out of breath to behold Mesdames at their dessert.

>>15549202
that sounds like a great way to get yourself assasinated by anyone with enough pocket money to buy fine clothes.

>>15547427
A seagoing version of "Nuggies and Hunny Mussy".

>>15546157
Forsoothe, I say unto ye verily: Fucketh ye offe by the first! Thou doest command, but ought lead by fine example!

>>15549234
There really weren't that many assassination attempts for French royals, surprisingly enough. Between 1610 and 1789, there were only two: the successful assassination of Henry IV, and an attempted assassination of Louis XV, which occurred when he was getting into a carriage.

>>15546692
Is reddit spacing two spaces between lines as some kinda formatting thing? Or is it just using spaces between lines to come off pompous

>>15549202
Sounds based. I'm surprised this hasn't made a comeback with celebs in need of some cash

>>15549542
Mukbang: the poor man's grand couvert?

>>15549542

Now we do it on tv cooking shows and watch them taste the food and tell us how good it is.

>>15541827
>FHG
wtf is this actually a thing now? i remember when i made a thread about medieval cuisine fucking mods/jannies deleted it

>>15541866
what's up with this recent thing about Koreans

>>15548325
Does that top right tray say moonshine?

This is kinda interesting actually, this is exactly how we eat food in Pakistan whether at home or at a restaurant. A big bowl of curry, rice in a huge tray, salad in another tray, roasted meat in a big plate etc etc and you just put them down on the table and each person takes whatever they like onto their plate. There's a lot of juggling going on when you have to move one fugging huge or cumbersome dish over to the other end of the table and shuffle shit around to find place to put it down. Even at a wedding you will find that the various foods are just in these large heated metal containers (pic related) and you just line up and take however much of whatever you like. Something like the wedding cake would be served individually though.

Tomatoes are north american and Italian cooking is all in fact as much of a lie as their pizza shows it to be.

>>15541868
Poppy seed milk was used for the same purposes in Slavlands

>>15549611
Yes, but it didn't mean alcohol at this point. The recipe for Moonshine from the book that this table layout is from:

>To Make MOONSHINE

>Take the shapes of half a moon and five or seven stars, wet them, and fill them with flummery, let them stand till they are cold, then turn them into a deep China dish, and pour lemon cream round them, made thus: [recipe for lemon cream]; when [the lemon cream is cold] pour it among your moon and stars: garnish with flowers--It is a proper dish for a second course, either for dinner or supper.

Flummery was a type of pudding. So basically using molds to make shaped pudding and surrounding it with lemon cream.

>>15549661
Dang, this 18th century recipe book really said "fuck healthy celery"

>>15549546
True

>>15549543
Haha

In ye olde times broth, soups, and stews would be poured over a large hunk of bread. The dish was called a "sop", and is where soup and sopping up soup comes from.

Now imagine a warm hearth on a cold day with your favorite soup poured over a hunk of your favorite bread.

>>15550388
Bread of this sort was also called a "Trencher". It served as a plate. After the meal was done, wealthy people often sent their slopped trenchers to the gate of the house to be given to the poor, who often waited there at mealtimes for these handouts.

We also get the term "Trencherman" from this bread, meaning "Someone who knows how to eat, or who eats a lot at a sitting".

>>15550388
Sop was also frequently eaten with either wine or beer, which is referenced a few times in the Canterbury Tales.

>>15541827
tudor royalty used to enjoy "deceptions" where they disguised food. It might look like bacon but it would generally be sculpted sugar

They also had a royal wafery and wafers were kept under lock and key

>>15543865
>he doesn't like matzo soup
FaGGot

>>15543844
>31,530% inflation increase

>>15550974
It's a 3,153% increase, which over 122 years is really not that big. It amounts to an average of less than 3% inflation per annum, compounding is a hell of a drug.

>>15550905
must have been good wafers

>>15542311
This is a cool fact I love medieval stuff, Modern History TV is a youtube channel who did a video on a peasant diet and Salmon was a staple of their diets in England due to the abundance of it and the commonness in local rivers. Funny how salmon is a bit dear now in some shops

>>15542925
I used to work with a guy who would ask all his courses to be brought at once, it was odd to see him have a mouthful of meat pie then a scoop of vanilla ice cream one after the other.

>>15550974
>>15550995
It took off like a rocket once we left the gold standard and the Fed became a thing. It's about to hit the booster too with all the only we're printing as fast as we can.

>>15549661
It sounds cute

>>15543864
I can't be the only one who thinks that looks awful

>>15549660
what is it with slavs and poppy seeds anyway?

>>15549539
reddit's formatting needs two returns to make a new paragraph. If you just use one it doesn't format right, like if you didn't hit return at all. But double space breaks have been a thing since usenet and anybody who uses the term "reddit spacing" is a tool

>>15553107
opium addicts and dealers to the world stage meant there was a huge supply of the leftover seeds that are not used for the opium making process. Had to find another use for the seeds so they found ways to cook with them.

>>15552271
Sounds pretty based

>>15549633
>tomatoes
> north american
Stfu

>>15553730
Domesticated tomatoes are North American though, they were first cultivated in Mesoamerica.

>>15543620
based bay staters btfoing bountiful bunches of buttfuckers

>>15549563
State propaganda.

>>15543865
Nah, even that cough he stole from a Kraut making Knödel

>>15543932
Even wikipedia, which loves to shit on Catholics as all jews do, has to admit that's a myth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurices

I’m late to the thread so I’m just going to post my historical food fact but nobody will see it unfortunately. Anyways here goes:

I am the current record holder and greatest of all time eater at my local diner bubs big eats. At bubs there is a dish called the super bowl. It’s a dog bowl filled with 60 ounces of spicy chili with beans, covered in two handfuls of shredded cheddar and a dollop of sour cream. If you eat the whole thing you get a picture on the wall of champions. I am the current record holder at 20 Superbowls, beating the previous record of 19 established in 1967. As the goat I always make sure to wear my bubs big eats shirt around town and everyone knows me as the champ.

>>15553948
I saw it, I read it and I liked it.

There is an interesting Polish tradition.
First of all, Polish Catholics have second lent during winter, which ends on the morning of the 25th. This means that christmas dinner is made with fish, mostly carp.

So, during th sovjet occupation of Poland, as always with socialism, food of rare and of increasingly shitty quality, so as to not get half rotten carp for christmas, Poles bought living ones which they stored and cleaned in their bath tbe (carps need to starve for a while before you sunset them so they don't taste like shit). That's why the image of a living fish getting petted by a smol child is very nostalgic to all Poles which lived through this era.

>>15553948
Post pics.

>>15553967
The Soviet fears the bathtub carp farmer?

>>15553982
>he hasn't embraced the toilet bowl carp farming
They all do, anon. They all do.

>>15553963
Thanks

>>15553967
That's true - I don't know about now but like 10 or 12 years ago when I was a little shit (10 years max) we visited my grandparents that lived close to the Kaliningrad oblast. When I went to take a bath in the evening a fucking carp in the bathtub was kinda surprising to me as nobody told me about that haha. Thankfully now the food is normal so frozen fish is good. Fuck carp thought, it's a shitty fish - my other grandma serves sturgeon as a fish element in christmas meal and it is 100% better. God i hate carp

>>15554019
Th nicest recipe with carp my babcia made was actually a kind of patty made with a milk soaked white bun, some matching herbs and minced carp meat, breaded and fried like a german Bulette. But on it's own? Nah. But I guess it was the best what most people could affort thanks to socialism.

Still can remember how granny had her own set of hospital needles, because the public ones where reused so often that you would get fucked up blue and green by them. Oh and don't forget the obligatory bottle of gold water if you want a usefull recipe for any medication.

So much for free health care.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwasser

>>15541827
There is this Polish habit/tradition that allegedly originated during socialist government :

exorcising the devil out of the bottle

Basically when you have an unopened bottle of vodka you flip it upside down and give the base a little hit or two with your elbow. Both boomers and younger generations tend to do this, it's a pretty funny thing.

Supposedly it originated from vodka bottles that had a cork instead of a screw on cap. Sometimes the cork got stuck and a gentle knock or two on the bottom helped with loosening it

>>15541827
ancient egyptians put honey next to their mummies. and that honey is technically edible to this day.

>>15550388
ye olde soppa sloppa

>>15541827
German monks are said to have invented the Maultasche, which is a dumbling with meat over here. They supposedly made it to circumvent the meat-free days by hiding the meat in the dough, which is why thy also get called "Herr-Gott-bescheißerle" (sligt shittery upon God).

>>15549202
So it's like the original mukbang?

>>15553967
That's a really cute picture.

>>15553967
how did they oxygenate the water

>>15554278
Run the cold tap every few hours, obviously.

>>15542970
Except they are nothing alike. And BBQ is made in a smoker, nimrod.
This logic is so dumb. Following it, no food culture exists because some neanderthal or cromangum stuffed something in his mouth once.

>>15543253
it's wild to think there's varieties of fruit that have simply "fallen out of fashion". The idea that the banana of today isn't the same banana as that of 100 years ago is pretty crazy to think about.

>>15554173
I mean, not really, in the sense that it served an entirely different purpose than a mukbang. Mukbangs are/were (depending on what you watch, I guess) about satisfying the urge to eat with someone else and fill loneliness. Grand couverts and similar rituals were

With French Royalty, the idea of the grand couvert was to elevate the social status of the French royals to the level that being allowed the privilege of watching them eat was seen as a honor.

It was a way of pacifying the nobles (since the Versailles etiquette system itself was designed to quell noble rebellion) and of making the royals into otherworldly beings to the general population.

To the nobles who were allowed to kneel or sit on stools during the grand couvert, or who were allowed to serve the royal family, or who were simply allowed the privilege of the front rows, it was a way for the royals to bestow elevated status upon them; if you were a noble, you would view the public exhibition of this privilege as a reward (I'm allowed to use a stool in front of the king! My god, how awesome I am! everyone see how much social status I have!)

To the common people who were allowed entry, it was a push and pull relationship: you are being made to think that the French monarchs "belong" to the public to the point that what you might view as an everyday meal is something they must do in front of the whole world, while also acknowledging that they are so lofty that the mere act of watching them eat is a ceremonial ritual, because they were placed there by God to rule over you common people

>>15554358
Furthermore, no matter how hard you might try or how much you might be prepared to pay, you can never have a banana of the same type as were common 100 years ago.

Worse, we are on the verge of losing the bananas we have now. In future times, people might not ever be able to have a banana at all.

https://time.com/5730790/banana-panama-disease/

>>15554358
It's not always a bad thing.

>>15544000
wikipedia is still very much bashed as an unreliable source by most teachers. right now the common lesson is to use wikipedia as a gateway to more "reliable" sources, i.e. trusted news publishers

>>15554358

>>15554393
I want to scoop out all those seeds and roast them. The picture is triggering to me I want to pull them out

>>15549556
I hope so, this has been a very comfy thread so far

>>15554386
Ideally, they say "studies" rather than "news" considering the state of media outlets for the past decade or so.
Unfortunately, even academia seems to be getting a bit washy these days...

From a 1915 book: "What My Children Love to Eat: How to Prepare the Menus."

>>15554734
>cookie boys

>>15554760

>>15554784
>boy cutter
So these poor people had to bother their mohel every time they wanted to make cookies?

The idea that people were routinely stuffing in massive quantities of food in the late Victorian and then Edwardian era is a myth rooted in a misunderstanding of the courses.

You were not expected to eat every course. The idea behind the numerous courses was so that there would be something for everyone, and not everyone was expected to eat every dish. It was a way to showcase your wealth and ability to offer a wide variety of foods, rather than expecting guests to eat all that was provided to them. And you would not be given a massive portion of every course or dish.

>>15554715
True. Reading biases is an important skill that schools really don't enforce enough, but even if they did they'd probably inject their own biases into it as well. It's a tricky problem, staying unbiased.

>>15554798
Never buy your boy cookies from a mohel

>>15553967
that's a pretty adorable picture

>>15554784
Cookie cutter circa 1910s-1920s.

Nkvd come for family, but I still have bathtub carp

All is well

Ciabatta bread was invented in the 80s

Based thread, ty for a good read co/ck/s.

>>15553967
Why starve the carp? For how long?

>>15554368
Your a retarded faggot. It took a few seconds to find so not much effort there, and they're not even $20 a pound, expensive but I'd be prepared to pay that.
https://miamifruit.org/products/gros-michel-banana-box-pre-order
They were wiped out commercially not actually wiped out. Your article is gay, fuck monocrop farmers they get what they deserve.
https://www.grosmichelbanana.net/shop/
Look at all those bananas And there are fucking hundreds if not thousands more cultivars.

>>15555416
I assume it's to purge the GI tract, I think similar things are done with other live seafood.

>>15549202
Another interesting tidbid about the grand couvert: you would assume that the public would hate the grand couvert because it would have been a prominent example of the excess food available to a small portion of the population, while a few miles away people might be starving or hungry in Paris. Nope. The complaints about the grand couvert were that the royalty, particularly once Louis XVI became king, didn't do it enough. Marie Antoinette notoriously hated the grand couvert and convinced Louis XVI to let her only do it once a week; this pissed off people who were used to being able to see the royal family at these mealtimes, a "privilege" they were now being denied. Marie Antoinette wanting to dine in private more often than not was seen as "Austrian."

Fun history tidbit guys

>Five Guys has been a Washington, DC area favorite since 1986 when Jerry and Janie Murrell offered sage advice to the four young Murrell brothers:"Start a business or go to college.” The business route won and the Murrell family opened a carry-out burger joint in Arlington Virginia.

>Under the guidance of Jerry and Janie the Murrell family served only hand-formed burgers cooked to perfection on a grill along with fresh-cut fries cooked in pure peanut oil.

History is important

>>15556330
>called 5 guys
>actually 6 guys
what the fuck

>>15543320
Fuck off foid

>>15556399
5 white guys.

>>15553136
I just find it annoying because I'm scrolling through a thread and all of a sudden my entire 37 inch screen is filled with someones gay blog post

>>15555416
Usually just 1-3 days, depending how long it if till christmas eve. But as the other anon said, you do it to most live caught fish, especially those which live in shitty envoirements like talipa, the shitfish.

>>15553750
>they were first cultivated in Mesoamerica
Although thats true most people wouldnt recognize those kinds of tomatoes today.
Tomatoes as we know them today i.e. large, red (they used to be yellow thats where the italian pomodoro name comes from) were invented/cultivated in Italy
Tomatoes were not grown,at least in large scale, in the US until the late 19th early 20th century.
They had to be imported from Italy
Just another example of new world fruits/vegetables made better by european technology

>>15542975
>>15546679Subway (also known as Doctor's Associates Inc.[4]) is an American fast food restaurant franchise that primarily sells submarine sandwiches (subs), salads and beverages. It was founded by the 17 year old Fred DeLuca and financed by Peter Buck in 1965 as "Pete's Super Submarines"[5] in Bridgeport, Connecticut. The restaurant renamed to Subway two years later, and a franchise operation began in 1974 with a second restaurant in Wallingford, Connecticut.[6] It has since expanded to become a global franchise.

>>15558676
I don't like this line of reasoning because that would mean that apples are a North American or Oceanian fruit, since the most popular cultivars originate from there. You're giving precedent for all kinds of retarded "actually that's OUR fruit" by doing that.

>>15559395
American here.
Pizza is American as in the USA

>>15558732
Subway was a fucking mistake

>>15559395
>"actually that's OUR fruit"
I didnt say anything like that.
Tomatoes and a whole bunch of other things were cultivated to what they are today in Europe. That doesnt make them "ours" or "yours" but you have got to give credit where credit's due.
Tomatoes became red in Italy, pizza, as we now think of it, was invented in Italy. You can prefer italian, ny style, chicago, or any other type of pizza its your choice.
Food history is incredibly interesting and funny when you think about stuff like tomatoes had to be introduced to the US from Europe.
Cuisines arent better or worse, its a matter of taste.

>>15541861
Ive been told food tasted nice back then. I wish I could have had some

American industry has genocided most species of apples. Theres used to be far more variants than what we have today.

>>15560469
Yes and no. It was certainly much more satisfying. Today fats in food like chicken nuggets have been replaced by sugars. There was a lot more deep frying, less microwaving and less "oven baking" back then.

But the shit was loaded with flavor chemicals, and more preservatives than today. There's a reason why McDonalds burgers could sit in the heat rack for 30 minutes before they got thrown out.

>>15560502
There are people now dedicated to saving rare apple types.

Look up lostappleproject on fake book.

>>15544748
Grape flavor being fake in america has something to do with California law regarding the concord grape iirc. Something about it being very invasive or carrying an invasive bug

>>15543195
This is bull shit there are many varieties of bananas still available stop believing everything on jewgle and because you don't see it in the jewmarkets

>>15543230
Speaking of, the history of grog has a similar story. A captian/officer named something Grog wanted to stop his sailors from getting too drunk on their rum rations (especially since they can store away their rations and drink them all down at once to get hammered, and thats no good on a ship). So what he did was mix in 25% grog and 75% water to make watered down rum rations. This also had the advantage of keeping the water from going bad. And thus grog became a staple among abglo sailors

>>15543257
Uncle ted was right

>>15541827
I heard that before the enlightenment people drank more alcohol than water and then afterwards they started drinking coffee and thats what triggered the enlightenment from a cgp grey video

>>15541898
>TheSegaSystem.jpg

Great thread. Good job OP

>>15554385
The crunchy white part isn't that bad. Cruncy water essentially

>>15560524
I dont have social media but if they have a website I'll go there

>>15560733
>Cruncy water essentially
Isn't that all watermelons, though?

>>15543714
reddit

>>15544109
I read a memoir of a Wiman in a small French mountain village in the early 1900s and it said everyone would go to the baker (Who had a huge oven) and bake all their bread for the winter in or day

>>15560809
The red part can get soft which i dont like.

>>15541827
bunch of good ones from this article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_deaths

>>15555416
you do the same with snails since you never now what they recently ate when you catch them

>>15554358
why are slipping on a banana peel gags so oldfashioned? It is because the peel of the gros michel banana was much more slippery then the peel of the now common chiquita banana. So for everybody younger than your grandparents slipping on a banana peel is just a pop culture trope with no relation to the reality

>>15560883
>Vatel, the majordomo of Prince Louis II de Bourbon-Condè, was responsible for a banquet for 2,000 people hosted in honour of King Louis XIV at the Château de Chantilly, where he died.

>According to a letter by Madame de Sévigné, Vatel was so distraught about the lateness of the seafood delivery and about other mishaps that he committed suicide with his sword, and his body was discovered when someone came to tell him of the arrival of the fish.

>>15561123
>Hayato Tsuruta, 28, from Japan, with intellectual disabilities, ran away from his residential facility and went to a supermarket. There he consumed so many doughnuts that he choked to death

>>15561144
88-year-old Ilda Vitor Maciel died in a Brazilian hospital in Barra Mansa (south of state of Rio de Janeiro), allegedly as a result of nursing technicians injecting soup through her IV drip instead of her feeding tube.

>>15561152
i laughed way too hard at this

>>15561173
Where was the soup Nazi when he was truly needed?

>>15554368
>you can never have a banana of the same type as were common 100 years ago
Incorrect
Gros Michel banana still lived on in asia and other places when the crops off mass producers all died off

You can still buy the bananas of of the past if you look hard enough

>>15555620
is right

>>15543230
This is actually a myth. People knew about the importance of clean drinking water and did what they could to ensure clean drinking water access. Light beer/alcohol was popular because it was believed to be nutritious, but it wasn't a water substitute.

>>15560530
closest I could find was
>During the period April 10 through July 10 each year, no person shall pack or repack any variety of grapes except Emperor, Almeria, Calmeria, and Ribier varieties, on any Saturday, Sunday, Memorial Day, or the observed Independence Day holiday, unless approved in accordance with paragraph (e) of this section, nor handle any variety of grapes except Emperor, Calmeria, Almeria, and Ribier varieties, unless such grapes meet the requirements specified in this section.
nothing specifically against concord, and they're still pretty commonly grown in the US

>>15561431
Hmm it might have been a law that was lifted then. There was something about concord grape flavor tasting different in Europe vs America because america had to substitute for the lack of Concord grapes.

>>15558676
I'm the same dude that said him to stfu.
You should also stfu.
Pomodori are called like that because there is a phase before ripping that they are golden. You are a piece of shit inventing shit out of your anus.

The same as the first was an amerimut you are a filthy butthurt Italian.

>>15561253
This applies to much earlier obviously, but low-alcohol beers were actually an incredibly important part of Ancient Egyptian diets. Workers would frequently be paid in jugs of beer, and most homes had the women of the house brew their own beers. The pharaohs themselves even had this kind of beer with their meals, and children also drank them from all castes of life.

>>15561498
During the building of the Canadian Pacific Railway, Chinese and Irish labor gangs often worked together. The Irish, it was noticed got sick more frequently than the Chinese. It was discovered that while the Irish were content to drink from nearby ponds and streams, the Chinese only drank tea.

By boiling their water for tea, the Chinese killed the pathogens that made the Irish sick on a regular basis.

Popsicles were an accidental invention

>>15553967
We did this in Serbia too and i know as a fact that the Czech do as well

>>15541827
Pizza is Chinese

>>15543748
>terrine de foie gras
>dandelion salad
>sweetbread neapolitan style
>pears and gruyere
>turkish coffee

>>15562394
Interdasting, never knew. Thanks for sharing.

Would /ck/ be interested in a food history podcast? I've been outlining a few episodes and I just need to record them

>>15543844
Sounds about right. Delmonico's has always been fine dining

>>15563364
Yes

>>15561123
he'd be posting on /ck/ about shitty vendors if he was alive today

>>15563364
if you want o make a podcast make one, if people like it hooray

>>15563364
I'd be very interested anon. Please make a thread about it when the first episode is out.

>>15541891
She cute

>>15541891
I want her to choke me in full plate.

>>15561482
>Pomodori are called like that because there is a phase before ripping that they are golden.
I am sorry to tell you that is not true. 2 minutes of googling will tell you that they are called pomodoro because the original tomato fruit is yellow.
Dont feel bad about yourself its not your fault that your parents and grandparents have all been siblings. The fact that you can communicate with others on the internet, albeit in broken english, is a huge thing for an inbred mongrel like yourself.

>>15543179
that's how it starts

>>15549633
Tomatoes were a new world food discovered in exploration and colonization that eventually came to Italy by way of Spain in the 1500's.

Basil was brought from India and made it to Italy and became instantly popular for making many dishes.

Citrus came to mainland Europe from Sicily and became popular in 1600's.

>>15564775
I thought tomatoes originated in south America

>>15543748
Sirloin of beef with mashed carrots
Anchovies on toast

>>15543748
man what I'd give to eat at a place like this back on the day. I find these old menus fascinating, look at the incredible variety of game and meats they serve. It all looks like simple, real food. I live the extensiveness of the menu too, you'd never get bored

>>15543944
I'll have 2 scoops of blumpf ice cream

>>15544508
no it's not you mongoloid fuck

>>15547382
based

>>15548359
zozzle

>>15565260
Same anon, same

>>15549660
mmmm opium

>>15564951
Technically mexico is in north america

>>15553136
this place really just was reddit 10-15 years before the curve

>>15554117
LOL that's a pretty jewish trick

>>15554173
ITS THE ORIGINAL MUKBANG GUYS, I FUCKING LOVE HISTORY!!!!

Food was invented in late 1945 because all the troops returning from war were just so hungry. Unfortunately once food became the norm, friends and families of the veterans took on the habit which soon snowballed into a full reliance. No longer does man subsist on air and sunlight, and indeed many are fat and downtrodden as a result, slowly turning into food themselves.

>>15560841
mealy watermelon is bad, just get a fresh one and problem solved. I used to think watermelon was so overrated but I thoroughly enjoy it now

>>15561482
seethe harder subhuman shitskin

>>15543748
Why are the words so haphazardly arranged? It's an alphabet soup in there.

>>15565311
>soyjack
You need to go back

>>15550388
>eating large piles of soggy bread

>>15565330
Replace the word "food" with [insert illicit magical drug/elixir here] and you have yourself a kino backstory for a fantasy race

>>15565273
Feel free to look it up, retard

>>15554117
That's a made-up story from the 20th century.

>>15543748
>Appetizer
Oysters.
>Soup
Croûte au pot.
>Side dish
Caviar.
>Fish
Spanish mackerel.
>Ready
Fricandeau of veal.
>Entrees
Pigeon with peas.
>Roast
Mallard duck.
>Cold
Dandelion salad.
>Vegetables
Fried eggplant.
>Entremets
Peach pie.
>Dessert
Champagne sorbet with brandied figs and a grape fruit.

I then leave without tipping the waiter.

>>15555416
Carps live in muddy water and taste like mud if you don't keep them in fresh water for a while

>>15554278
Nigga why would you need to oxygenate an open water source for a fish you're going to kill in a few days anyway

>>15565462
Which is why I wrote "it's said that". Most yources for foods are myths. The mor realistic version of it tells that the monks got a massive gift of meat and to not let it spoil just because of a fast, they've made them into such dumplings.

In the end it's probably just a way of stretching the meat, as is done in every culture with dumbling, as well as making them easy to snack on the way around town.

>>15553967
its a tradition in many eastern european countries
but yeah the point of the whole tub thing is to buy the fish while you stil can get a nice one
and keep it alive for a day or two unitl you cook it

>>15565404
People were smarter back then

>>15543748
raw oysters because im not a pussy

>>15543944
Drumpf btfo

>>15546380
eww

>>15543748
what the fuck is squab chicken and ruddy duck?

>>15564664
>>15565339
My god, its good not being from a subculture that needs to found their whole culture in an ingredient

eat shit and die subhuman scum

>>15550995
>compounding
>hell of a drug
heh....

>>15541861
Old houses of the wealthy sometimes had pineapples above their front doors

anyone know where I can learn more about ancient cuisine, preferably greco-roman shit

>>15568598
https://youtu.be/qtmOdxEVytA

>>15541861
>>15568591
yeah my parents has a couple of little pinecone statues by their front door

>>15543620
>>15543783
>>15553799
repping MassaCHADsetts bros

>>15544418
>>15544455
you'd think a brit would be familiar with the phenomenon of dropping a letter due to speed of pronunciation

>>15561123
>Vatel was so distraught about the lateness of the seafood delivery and about other mishaps that he committed suicide with his sword, and his body was discovered when someone came to tell him of the arrival of the fish.
This is so /ck/ it hurts

>>15565257
This man knows how to eat

>>15543748
Is this place still around?

>>15543253
concord grapes are actually delicious, we get them in the summer in canada. Small round berries with sour dark purple skin and sweet green flesh. Second best kind of grape after pink muscat grapes.

>>15562302
as was popcorn IIRC

>>15565404
>1899
it was likely printed on a proper mechanical printing press, without any fancy formatting options. It's likely why it's all on one page as well instead of spreading all of that out.

>>15569886
Popcorn has been around since at least 5000 BC

>>15541861
Chinese still use white people in this way.

>>15570407
ah right, the story I'm thinking of was the microwave. IIRC, some scientist working with microwaves either had some corn or a chocolate bar around his workspace and when it popped/melted, realized the heating capabilities of microwaves for food. Could just be a story someone made up, no idea how true it is.

>>15570470
It's real, although I'm pretty sure it was a chocolate bar. It was scientists working on a microwave communications dish during WWII.

>>15568249
>its good not being from a culture
Lol
At least you admit that you are a subhuman shitskin
>that pic
Kek
Aztec feast consisted of human organs
Probably something you are familiar with you fucking heathen