/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15237778
The US is definitely number 1 at this point.

>>15237778
Don't understand what the UK and the US are doing in this list.

>>15237785
>The US is definitely number 1 at this point.
Hahaha keep dreaming.

Belgium numba wan, then Germany, then Czecha.

>>15237778
Kinda agree but here’s my take
1.Belgium - great in classic styles, from abbey beers(props for chad DUVEL) of different strength through lambics to my fav. witbier. Kinda weak craft scene afaik
2.USA - shit classic beer but great craft scene for sure
3.UK - good allrounder, has nice stouts and bitters with some regional variations. Craft scene has nice IPA’s and other hoppy stuff
4.Germany and Czechia - both have great classic styles mostly revolving around lagers and pilsners with small tweaks, also weizen (Try Primator’s Weizen - it blows Paulaner and Franziskaner the fuck out). But outside of those 2 styles they don’t really have much going on

1. USA
2. Belgium
3. Germany

You should really ask which states are the best beer states
1) colorado
2) Oregon
3) Michigan
At this point no other country is relevant.

>>15237778
>>15237785
>US being in the top 5 and not the bottom 5
OMEGAKEK
At this point leafland beats out weak ass american brews. Dink a good one for one, eh bud?

>>15237880
>meme beer

>>15237887
Why would you call it a meme beer?

>>15237854
Also, since it is a pretty rare thread I will shill Poland - within last 5 or 6 years there was plenty of new brews made here and they are quite nice imo.
Baltic Porter or Porter is a nice Autumn and Winter beer kinda resembling a stout but more deep and stronger.
There is also Grodziskie which is a high carbonation, low proof beer made with oak-smoked malt. It was revived after a long time, used to be called „Champagne among beers”, but unlike miller high life it really does have the high carbonation.
There are also some standard and decent crafts like IPA’s or Pastry Sour’s that were well received by the international competitions:)

>>15237778
1. Czech Republic
2. Czechia
3. Former Czechoslovakia
4. Bohemia
5. Belgium

>>15237887
>water
>barley
>hops
>yeast

>>15237778
My trans wife loves Croatian beer

>>15237778
Belgian ales are the absolute best, but aren't there Trappist monasteries in France also? I'd replace Germany with France.
Duvel is great, but St.Bernardus is supreme

>>15237905
you forgot moravia

>>15237785
>The US is definitely number 1 at this point.
Lmfao. All we have is shitty pisswater "lite" fratboy slop and soy IPAs, bro. Danish and Belgium beer is tops, German is excellent, English is meh, everything else is utter shit.

1) USA
2) Belgium
3) Germany

It doesn't really matter after that.

Belgium
Germany
USA

There are other countries that make good beer, USA is only up high recently due to explosion of craft beer and experimentality

Belgium is ahead of the curve on nice yeasts and a tradition of experimentality

Germany has perfect execution and tight brewing quality

>>15238276
>All we have is shitty pisswater "lite" fratboy slop and soy IPAs
kek, get an education on US beer. Like at least visit a bottle shop before posting about US Beer.

>>15238276
>All we have is shitty pisswater "lite" fratboy slop and soy IPAs
hello time traveler from 2005

>>15237880
Love this beer

German beers are boring Hans.

Canada is overlooked as a beer producing country, I like living by the border so stores stock canadian beer

>>15238593
BASED

>>15238593
Only good Canadian beer I’ve ever had is La Fin du Monde

>>15237785
This. Anyone arguing this point has little to no experience with american beer. I really don't bother with anything made even out of state anymore since I can find world class examples of almost any style in Minnesota alone, not to say other states don't have them.

>>15237910
>coffee

>>15237778
I don't know what "best" means, but for most varied America is number 1 for sure. For what I drink:

1. Finland(my native country)
2. Belgium
3. Czech or Germany

>>15237785
lol even Australia has better beer than usa

>>15237785
Nope. Your beers are all horribly unbalanced and taken far too literally. Your macros are all undrinkable and your 'craft beer' (aka 'beer') are all awful. The US is the county responsible for turning the IPA from a slightly stronger, more fruity bitter into a hipster meme of a musky, sour, mango tasting mess that's pushing 9% and higher. You're taking 'chocolate stouts', a descriptor of some taste notes and color and actually putting chocolate (and other dessert stuff) into them. It's great that the US finally realised that beer should have a flavor but you went too far, as usual.

>>15237778
1. czech republic
2. germany
3. austria
4. belgium
5. uk

eastern/southern europe also have some good beers but not as much selection. havent been to western or northern europe.

almost all of the worst beers ive tried have been american or canadian, mexico is also pretty bad most of the time. americans are truly fucking retarded if they think their beer isnt shit. 80% boomer piss lager 15% disgusting hipster ipas 4% various garbage 1% drinkable. the funniest thing is they steal the names of actual good beers like budweiser for their piss to trick people into drinking it

>>15239748
You're wrong but I know you'll never admit it

Germany sure...but only for cost/Liter ratio. Most German beer in a lot of territories is garbage and the local monk "klosterbrau" hardly see wide enough distribution to even factor into this equation.

>>15237880
>coffee stout
Fucking disgusting

>>15239923
Many of those tiny local monk beers aren't even good or outstanding. Especially not if you stick to the popular/regular styles like pils, weizen or helles while you still have to pay almost twice the price, because those are more expensive or never on discount as many of the bigger brands.
Made plenty different blind tastings of beers from specific regions and most of the times a few of the very small brewery beers were very good while the rest was as bland and boring as the much cheaper and more easy to get other beers. And still we almost forgot about the good ones, because we are not able to buy them again without traveling through the whole country.

>>15237778
1. Belgium
2. Czech Republic
3. Germany
4. Spain (hot take)
5. Britain

>>15240136
What are some good Spanish beers?

>>15237778
anyone who puts belgium or america on their list is a nerd

>>15239106
Where do you live? I'd imagine canadian beer is a lot like Australian as in it's probably not going to be exported a whole lot.

>>15239929
Sorry, I forgot burgers only drink carbonated piss.

The best two I've actually been to are Denmark and Ireland.

Great beers, particularly Ireland, if you haven't had fresh Guinness straight from the Dublin brewery you've never had true Guinness, it's legitimately delicious.

1. UK
2. Belgium
3. Germany
4. France
5. Estonia

shucky ducky quack quack

Belgium is obviously the right answer. Surprisingly the state monopoly has developed some very good scene in Norway. Granted they don't have a lot of brewery but I'd say the top ones are on par with the best from europe (outside belgium of course).

>>15240844
Yes but nobody drink them since you have to refinance your house to be able to buy one.

>>15240938
Well in Norway the taxes are so high that you don't see much of a differences with other beers, but yeah if you need to import them it's probably not a good idea

>>15237778
Its straight up absurd to not have the US number one. No one in the history of the world has had the access to such a wide variety of excellent beers as random ass Americans today

Even if you broke the US into regions, the Upper Midwest, the West Coast, and the Northeast all have better beer individually than any other country

>>15237778
>Germany and Czechia have some of the longest continuous brewing traditions in the world
You understand that much of America was settled by these people, bringing their traditions with them, right? America didn't just spontaneously arise, they have the exact same heritage

>>15240997
I would even argue that some dozen individual states each individually have better beer than any European country does
Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, California, Massachusetts, Vermont, North Carolina. These are all clear cut, you could probably make an argument additionally for every non-southern state and even some southern ones

Euros here genuinely do not understand what they are lacking, too distracted by how shitty international macro beer marketed as American is

>>15237778
Pretty spot-on list, although I would say UK for the modern craft scene as much as the traditional stuff. The breadth and diversity of beer available here is not far off from the states these days.

>>15240997
>>15241000
>>15241014
Cope. The only thing Burgers are good at brewing is hipster IPAs consumed by soyboys. Everything else is carbonated piss with 1% alcohol.

>>15241014
do you just assume that there arent hundreds of small craft breweries in every european country?

where i live in england there are literally 15 small breweries withn a half hour drive, plus medium sized traditional brewers in the area too

>>15241039
Why do you possibly think this? There are thousands of US breweries making top tier lagers and belgian style ales, and most important big stouts and barleywines, the best kinds of beer
Nothing beats a nice 12% ABV barrel aged stout

Its like you think /ck/ memes are what you get when you walk in a brewery in America

>>15239778
I agree with this list.

>>15241057
I have never met a burger that doesn't exclusively drink lite beers. I'll excuse the northernmost states, purely because they've been saved by leaf influence

>>15241044
I like drinking beer and trying new ones a lot, I specifically sought out as much as I could get when I have been in Europe. Please do not take me pointing out how good the US is as saying you are bad, there is plenty of good beer in Europe, they just tend to not be as good. I would say the UK is about where the US was 10 years ago, keep in mind the US was easily already the best in the world 10 years ago so that is not a bad place to be today. Now the UK is obviously quite a bit ahead of the rest of Europe, I actually found nice craft beer easier to come by as I went east, like in Germany most people have literally never tasted a stout in their life and do not even know what an IPA is. Of the places I went seemed like Hungary had the most interesting scene besides the UK and maybe Ireland

>>15241068
nah, Canadians drink even worse lagers and less craft beer than Americans. Good beer is insanely expensive there (well cheap beer is rather expensive too)

>>15241068
If you only know American boomers in the 90s and early 00s you can be excused. Most of them literally never drank a good beer in their life until their millennial sons started introducing them to it. But if you look at normal ass millennial white men in the us, craft beer is the default (which surely make up the majority of the people on this site that are old enough to drink legally here)

>>15241080
Then you live in the wrong part of leafland my friend. I own a sausage/cheese/beer shop, the beer is cheep, and the beer is good

>>15240136
>>15240155
spain is mostly piss water if you ask me, on teneriffe there was a nice local brewery tho

>>15241094
My understanding is that Canadian taxes make it impossible to sell beer anywhere close to the prices Americans pay, I am sure you know more about Canadian taxes than I but whenever I see Canadians talking about beer prices here it comes up

Canada has plenty of good beer though Unibroue is very good, Canada has a solid argument for being better than any European country

Watching all the nonamericans seethe in this thread is very satisfying. You faggots have nothing to show for your shitty countries.

>mu-muh amerifats

Good one, now grab me a brew sweetheart

>>15241110
I wouldn't place leafland above the very best Euro brews (Delirium remais my favourite beer of all time), but then again the brewing scene in canada is very young. I'm a QCfag, and for a long time Boreal and Molson (who do brew a decent beer on occasion) dominated everything, so it was very difficult for small brewers to get started. That's changed, and now we're seeing an explosion of small craft beers being produced. The thing is, most of these guys are new to the business, and so their beers are inconsistent at best.
Give them a decade more to get settled though, and leafs will be brewing something really special

>>15241014
I went to California last year for 2 weeks and went specifically looking for craft pubs and shops and tried the best things they had local. I had better beers when I tried the same thing in London, Barcelona, Amsterdam etc. I'd advise you to try european beers if you have the chance before making such claims.

Also there is nothing in US that compare to Belgian lambic, and that's a fact

>>15241133
>pic related

>>15237778
The US just has a million shitty 'craft brewers'. The quality is not there.

The correct order:
1. Germany
2. Belgium
3. Czechia
4. Britain
5. United States

>>15237785
American beer is mostly garbage and meme swill for adhd Millenials

>>15241134
Beta male posting

>>15241057
>There are thousands of US breweries making top tier lagers
Bullshit.

>>15241134
So I just checked my Untappd account and I have tried nearly 200 different European beers. Probably 75% of those while I was in Europe and the rest imported (so not nearly as much as I have tried American beer but still a lot)
>Also there is nothing in US that compare to Belgian lambic, and that's a fact
Sorry but this isn't true at all, there are many American breweries making excellent beers in the lambic tradition. The best lambic style beers I have ever had are from Wisconsin

California is weird in that it has a lot of very good breweries but also very shitty drinking culture and bar culture in general so you could go to a super market or random bar and think you are in fucking Mississippi, they can't stand up next to real beer regions like the Upper Midwest, New England and the Northwest when it comes to accessibility of good beer even if their actual brewer quality comes close

Pic related might be the best lambic type beer I have tried

>>15240828
What are some good British beers?

>>15241151
>The US just has a million shitty 'craft brewers'. The quality is not there.
What exactly is lacking in "quality"?

>>15241152
lol just because the only time you fucking people see craft beer is in /ck/ memes doesn't mean they are typical
There are 8000 US breweries, most making 20-50 different beers in a year, the ones people most like taking pictures and memeing about are of course ridiculous, thats why people take pictures of them, but go to a super market, or a bar or a brewery and those make up a tiny fraction of what is being sold

>>15241160
The ones they stole from the Irish

>>15241170
Americans don't have the depth of experience and tradition. All they make are unbalanced ales and stouts. Travel to Czechia if you want to understand what real beer tastes like.

>>15241183
>Americans don't have the depth of experience and tradition
You understand that America was settled primarily by Europeans, right?

>>15241183
>Travel to Czechia if you want to understand what real beer tastes like.
I have. I liked this bar
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Zl%C3%BD+%C4%8Dasy/@50.0643445,14.4420491,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xe7fd48b92656f255!8m2!3d50.0643445!4d14.4420491

Saying American beers are "unbalanced" is just nonsense, doesn't even mean anything just a vague attack that can't be substantiated

>>15241159
>They have 3 funk factory in the shop in my city.
>They cost 40€
Biere de coupage, Faro and Famzwart. Are any of these worth it?(if a 40€ beer can be worth it) If so I might try but the sours I've had from US were pretty disappointing (cascade, terreux, allagach, crooked stave)

>>15241183
You'd better Czech yourself before you reck yourself, faggot

>>15241196
That is quite expensive, I haven't had those two but Framzart especially looks excellent. If you are into sour beers I would say go for it

>>15241186
Yeah, the ones with no stake in their culture and history. Why else do you abandon your home? Emigrants are feckless.

>>15241219
>Yeah, the ones with no stake in their culture and history.
lol no, the Midwest was primarily settled by liberal patriots fleeing authoritarianism after the failed revolutions of 1848

>>15241219
Imagine coasting off the success of your ancestors while your sister sucks on Muslims. Talk about tradition when you fags take back your countries, which will never happen because most euro males are low T fags

>>15241194
>Saying American beers are "unbalanced" is just nonsense, doesn't even mean anything just a vague attack that can't be substantiated
It means they have a tendency toward "extreme" formulations -- ultra hoppy, etc. Everything is quantity for Americans. Quality is lost in the shuffle.

>>15241230
>lashing out at strangers because your domestic beer is shit
Sad.

>>15241243
Lmaooooo nigga you started it you’re such a baby. Can dish it out but can’t take it

>>15241250
It's objectively true that Americans are bereft of culture and tradition.

It's the US and its not close

>>15241270
nachos and fireworks

>>15241196
I'll try biere de coupage I think. I haven't had a beer in 2 weeks so I can stomach the price. If I don't like it I'll give up on american sour though.

Just to know, when you say this >>15241159 is your favorite lambic did you try the classics belgian like 3 fonteinen, cantillon or Tilquin?

>>15241301
meant for >>15241218

>>15241270
Hahahahaha nigga you watch American movies and American porn and listen to American music you think you’re special because of muh Europe? You’re broke and gay lmao

>>15241331
Simmer down and have another Bud Light, Cletus.

>>15238291
I think this nigger knows his shit

>>15241170
I’ve been to dozens of craft breweries across the country. From Oregon and California, CO, AZ, UT, to WI, Massachusetts, VT, MD, PA, and the vast majority of what’s out there is just unbalanced overly hopped IPA’s or bizarre fruited sours and meme garbage with candy in it.
It’s incredibly rare to see a well made lager(Although New Glarus does a Grey job) or sour or Belgian style ale. Most of the breweries on the West coast make 7 or 8 varieties of IPA for every other style of beer they make. Craft Brewers love to shit on things like Pilsner and say they have no flavor but they literally can’t make them well. Can’t get the right balance of hops or level of maltiness when they actually need a balance. It says a lot when most of these brewers will try to pull off a maple bacon donut ale before they attempt a czech style Pilsner.

>>15241234
like some of them are that, but to say they are that in general just shows you don't know what you are talking about

Also keep in mind that using higher quantities of better ingredients isn't "extreme", its a luxury afforded by customers who aren't expecting bargain brand prices

>>15237879
Montana has a lot of extremely good and underrated breweries. Picrel is probably my favorite American-brewed Pilsener hands down.

>>15241595
I mean there is certainly a lot of IPA (but IPAs have gotten a whole lot better since we abandoned California style IPAs for midwestern and New England trends) but literally no styles that exist in the western cannon of beer are hard to find good examples of in the US
>Craft Brewers love to shit on things like Pilsner
Nah man, just because coastie IPA bois don't like lagers much doesn't mean brewers don't. You hear brewers lament all the time that IPA sells so much better than their pet project lagers, lots of them make really excellent lagers its just that they don't sell super well so you aren't gonna have 7 on tap at once. Overall it is very safe to say that US craft brewers like lagers more than craft beer drinkers do by a long shot
>hen most of these brewers will try to pull off a maple bacon donut ale before they attempt a czech style Pilsner.
They do not do this, way way more brewers make Czech style pilsners than make maple bacon donut ales

>>15239748
>You're taking 'chocolate stouts', a descriptor of some taste notes and color and actually putting chocolate (and other dessert stuff) into them.
This shit pisses me off. It tastes like shit and I don't understand why brewers are now dumping Hershey's vomit chocolate syrup or some shit into beer. If I want to drink sweet shit I'll drink fucking wine.

>>15241833
cocoa nibs aren't sweet, you can add them for extra character and depth, they don't add syrup

>>15241833
I don't get the whole "beer should all be exactly the same and how I want it" sentiment beer can be a lot of different things, it has much more breadth than wine

>>15241840
They tastes sweet to me and some do add chocolate syrup. I also had this breakfast stout recently that snobs rave about and it was sweet trash, too.
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1199/11757/
So many craft breweries in the USA add all of these ridiculous ingredients to the point that many of them barely resemble beers anymore.

>>15241861
some of them are deffinitely sweet, just saying they don't have to be sweet
Usually when they are sweet its from the addition of lactose because lactose isn't fermentable, if they are adding chocolate syrup the sugar would ferment

>>15241861
Man, Founders Breakfast stout is good, its not our fault you don't like good things and get mad when other people enjoy them

>>15241887
If you want to drink your sugar beer, be my guest. It's overrated as fuck and I'd easily take anything that Samuel Smith brews over that breakfast stout.

>>15241833
Then don't drink it you retarded faggot.

>>15241897
I drink lots of different kinds of beers man, I like big barrel aged stouts, I like sugary pastry stouts, I like NEIPA even milkshake IPA, I like classic IPAs, I like some nice lagers, I like lambic, even occasionally drink hypy smoothie sours though I am a little ambivalent about them seem a bit gimmicky
I don't see any need to limit myself to one very specific definition of what beer needs to be, just drink good things

>>15241897
Samuel Smiths Oatmeal Stout is sweeter than Founders Breakfast Stout. I think you're just autistic.

>>15241913
Don't pretend like you haven't decided to buy some overpriced stuff on a whim because the Internet told you it was great just to find out that it's shit at some point in your life. I'm not mad at the beer--I'm mad at faggots like you causing me to waste my money on trash.

>>15241924
Breakfast stout is good, if you don't like it you don't like beer. Its not even that sweet

>>15241924
>im mad that i don't have a mind of my own and occasionally have an unpleasant experience
Ftfy

>>15241918
Founders has an overpowering taste of sweet chocolate. Even if they didn't add chocolate syrup, it sure tastes like they did.
>Samuel Smiths Oatmeal Stout is sweeter than Founders Breakfast Stout
No it isn't.

Overly sweet stout is the most overrated style by far. Even worst than NEIPA

>>15241935
No it doesn't. You're just a retarded fucking autist. Kill yourself you fucking loser

>>15241935
>>15241935
they definitely don't fucking add chocolate syrup, the vast majority of time when brewers use chocolate it is cocoa nibs. But again, even if they did add chocolate syrup the sugars in it would ferment, it would not remain sweet, if brewers want their stouts to be sweet they add lactose which yeast cannot ferment but still tastes sweet to us and imparts a nice mouthfeel

>>15241945
lmfao. Why are you so mad? Do you work for Founders or something? You're irrationally angry because I don't like your favorite shitty swill.

>>15241939
imagine not liking NEIPA, its such a huge fucking improvement on West Coast IPA

>>15241950
Founders may be racist but its certainly not overly sweet

>>15241950
No one cares you fucking defective autistic weirdo. You'd have better chances drenching your underwear in gasoline and lightning it on fire than fucking with me, kid

>>15241954
Your tastebuds are shot from drinking sugar beers like Founders so you can no longer perceive the sweetness. The Europeans are correct ITT when they claim that the vast majority of American microbrews lack nuance.

>>15241951
Overrated doesn't mean I don't like it

>>15241958
Imagine calling someone else autistic and defective after you wish death on someone because they don't like your beer.

>>15241961
Your tastebuds are shot from being a fat fucking retard guzzling refugee cum. If you think Breakfast Stout is sweet you have even more brain damage than you're already displaying.

>>15241961
nuance is code for "i am poor and can only afford watery beer"

>>15241966
No I'm calling you autistic and defective because you're a worthless faggot who should kill himself.

>>15237778
Denmark, while not top 5, has some pretty good beers.

>>15241978
lmfao. You're having a meltdown over beer, dude. You're losing it, man.

>>15241151
>The US just has a million shitty 'craft brewers'. The quality is not there.
This anon gets it!

>>15241948
Thats not true it tastes like ooey gooey candy i shit my tighty whities!!

>>15241993
I'm completely fine. I just want you to kill yourself for being a retarded poorfag with brain damage. Is that too big an ask?

>>15242001
Calm down dude. Deep breaths--now. Deep breaths. Go drink some sugar beer and take 5.

Cellarbros, post pics of your cellars. Mine is humble, and technically in a cabinet, but I started mine about five years ago. I moved to an new area and haven’t found a good bottle shop, but I’m excited to work on it again.

>>15242009
I'm good. I'm not the one sperging because he tasted chocolate in his sippy cup

>>15242023
You're the only sperg ITT

>>15242024
My autistic brother, you've spent the better part of an hour screeched about a nonexistent trait in a beer while everyone else is cordial. Just let it go.

>>15242038
You unironically wish death on me because I don't like Founders. Sort your life out, dude. I'm not even trolling dude I mean that.

>>15239287
> I really don't bother with anything made even out of state anymore.
This. And it probably goes for most states except for Bible belt or weird ass beer law states. Most everywhere has good beer so I go with fresh and local. Hell, the best brewery in DFW (Peticolas) doesn't even can or bottle or work with distributors so you can only get it draught from bars that they deliver to themselves.

>>15242044
You seem really sensitive my guy, you cannot maintain a conversation without reacting in the utmost extremes. It's going to be okay.

>>15242001
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>>15242054
This reeks of samefag. If you aren’t samefagging, just get each other’s Kik profiles already and rub one out together, JFC.

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>>15237778
Tried different beers from all those countries. Definitely have to say that the US has em all beat so far simply due to this one brew. But I WILL say the Polish have a few good ones as well.

>>15241281
The UK comes pretty close.

>>15241791
awhile back a had a beer from total wine mix a six and had a laughing dog huckleberry cream ale.. and was wondering if I have had a beer from all 50 state not sure if kona really is from hawaii, have had Anchorage brewing Alaska.. pretty sure the only other than Montana are Arizona and new mexico..Alabama and Mississippi red neck Rivera .. Utah quite a few with epic and uinta...

>>15237785
Eh, try not to lean too much into the "USA has the largest diversity of beer styles in the world" camp. You may as well say Europe has the largest diversity, or Earth has the largest diversity. What you want isn't diversity, it's quality, and you want it all in one place. USA only has 13% more breweries than Australia per person or 63% less breweries per person than England.
So American's aren't nearly as choice rich as you would imply.

Australia could never qualify. No density, really far away.
Germany also has big problems; their beer tourism is centered around Oktoberfest but the Oktoberfest specific beers are some of the worst Germany has to offer, so you actually get a worsening of beer tourism on the peak hour.

Furthermore tradition is pretty irrelevant. You can say X country has been brewing for Y years, but to be fair they brought said traditions to every new world country. What you should be more interested in is exclusive traditions that haven't been exported, though I'd be skeptical of that too.

>>15243404
Most breweries in the US are in a handful of specific areas, each of which has their own particular style. That's why multiple anons said the US should be broken up into states if you even want to compare them to most other countries. I mean, shit, I spent a year studying in London but would rather live in San Diego if it just came down to the amount of quality beer available.

>>15243323
oh also both dakotas yet have had Nebraska brewing..

>>15243440
It's reliant on local businesses too.
There's no reason all the beer in the country couldn't be obtained and sold at one pub, or something to that effect.
I'm sure there's a lot more scotch malt whisky society affiliated pubs in London with monstrous selections of whisky. And if you follow that idea, said pub could be based anywhere. Well, not here, not with this tax and these shipping costs.

>>15243487
Beer is perishable, and more expensive to transport than whiskey.

>>15243323
>>15243464
is this really you?

>>15240715
new england

>>15243404
>they brought said traditions to every new world country
Wrong. All the small brewers were killed off in the 20th century, leave only a tiny handful of macro breweries mass-producing piss water. That only really started to change in the 1990s. Most of these recent upstart micro brewers don't know shit.

>>15243557
>these recent upstart micro brewers don't know shit
Yes, because 30 years of people studying every style and trying everything and having a giant grassroots community of homebrewers, along with the latest science and access to literally any hops/malts/(non-wild) yeast available anywhere in the world doesn't mean anything when you have muh 500 years of doing the exact same thing tradition.

>>15243604
Very American comment. You can't "science" your way to good taste.

>>15241362

I'll enjoy it while living rent free in your head. Get me another beer after I'm done with this one, you'll get a work visa over here eventually if you keep trying :^)

>>15243638
>he thinks his abbey monks are still brewing off of ancient recipes in hidden scrolls in witches cauldrons

>>15243604
>>15243655
Not quite. Despite having science and mimicking technical processes there are traditional recipes that are not shared between breweries, not to mention the specific differences in terroir and type of grain and ferment that each brewery has access to and are not selled outside of specific geographical zones due to IGPs and specific appelations, apart from small batches. No brewery in the US will spend a stupid amount of money to get a hyper specific hop that only makes enough for 10.000 lts of beer per year, even more if that specifc farm has been selling those batches for ages to a small and familiar brewery that exists at 15 miles of distance.

I tried different styles of US beer that aim to replicate european tastes (either german, czech, belgian, etc) and they are not even close. US beer is often watery, low on OH and doesn't have a kick, unlike old world beers. And the worse part is that due to this lack of personality, US breweries add additional flavors. Is almost like adding red fruit jam to a pinot noir because it enhances its taste, just disgusting

My tier is
>>Belgium
>>France
>>Czech Republic
>>Austria
>>UK

>>15243557
Yea, no prohibition here.

Best beer I've had so far.

>>15242046
Same. Every beer i get anymore is made maybe 40 miles at most away from my home apart from two that are from up north. Shout out to bent paddle cold press black ale and castle dangers wine barrel aged hunter stout. Insanely good beers, but the latter is tap room exclusive

>>15238276
And all European beer is Heineken.

>>15242020
I picked a samaels from 2015 about a month back and was one the most boozy syrupy beers I've ever had. Sipping it is all you are able to do.

>>15242020
also whats that other gold avery you got tucked back in there?

>>15241080
When was the last time you visited Ontario? 1996? Craft is everywhere boomer.

>>15237778
Netherlands, no contest

>>15237903
yeah both baltic porter and especially grodziskie are underrated IMO. unfortunately outside of that and our decent craft scene, most popular Polish beer is much worse than for example Czech brands

>>15245651
Whenever I hear such a random country blurted out in relation to beer I have to wonder what is going through the poster's mind

>>15244595
Canada surely has craft beer, and some good stuff, but it has much lower market penetration than in the US

>>15245709
True, as I posted in my ranking - Czechs and Germans have pretty much perfected lagers, pilsners and weizens but have little interest in other styles. In our case craft is quite good but standard beer is crappy. Pretty much same as in the US imo

Schneider Weisse - Leider Scheisse

>>15241077
I suppose it depends on the criteria. If we're talking about 'craft beers' that's a US trend and so is most popular in the US of course, and if you want your IPAs etc then that's probably the best.

It's slightly artificial to judge a country's beer scene and heritage on how easy it is to get recently popular types of US craft beer there,though. Also, in terms of the quality of the average beer drunk virtually every beer drinking country in Europe is better than the US. And wtf is the story with you serving your gassy light beers in small glasses with absolutely no head whatsoever? It's horrific, it looks dead the second it is poured.

Basically if I was just walking into a random pub in a country I would rather be in any European beer drinking nation than the United States. But yes, your craft scene is great and that's a good thing.

>>15241077
>rants about how amazing the us are for beers
>talks only about ipa and porter
Kek

>>15248033
Keep in mind that "craft beer" is just normal beer for American millenials, if you go to a random pub it is definitely going to have a bunch of good craft beer. I will say with 100% confidence that if your criteria is what you are likely to find in a random ass pub (or super market, or just restaurants in general) this is specifically what the US excels at. Any random place you will go is likely to have a good variety of styles at high quality

>>15248075
IPA and Stout are the best kinds of beer to be fair. Imperial stouts specifically are certainly as good as it gets

>>15247964
Genauso wie deine wertlose Meinung.

Unrelated maybe, but found this at Aldi the otherday. Obviously not a great beer to cheese ratio. But enjoyed this a lot.

>>15248805
>Genauso wie deine wertlose Meinung.

>>15237785
Whatever you faggots have done, Canadians have done better. Even our mass produced swill is better than whatever piss water comes out of your fatass country.

>>15249035
You don't have a block of cheese with every beer? You some kind of fag or something?

No such thing as a best beer country since global commerce moves good beer like its nothing

Any actual good beer is worth more than it's cost and these two factors makes it profitable to distribute through out the world.

So USA is best because they make it possible for global commerce to be so cheap and reliable

>>15237778
>belgium that high
>czech that low

fucking faggot

>>15249084
>profitable to distribute through out the world
What the fuck are you talking about? Most American beers aren't even distributed to all 50 states.

>>15248090
If you don't like the taste of beer I could see why these two styles would taste good. Especially with hazy IPA and extremely strong, barrel aged, coffee infused imperial stout.

>>15250246
>if you don't like the taste of beer
Wut? Those are two of the most popular styles among brewers and people who are autistically into beer. People who don't like the taste of beer drink pilsners and blonde ales.

>>15250437
Pilsener is the chad choice.

>>15251241
Is that supposed to be a good thing?

>>15250437
Autistic hipster Americans are attracted to those styles because they don't know any better.

>>15250437
Lambic is the chad choice

>>15251355
Americans have every style available to them. They literally "know better" than anyone else.

>>15251424
Sure buddy. You guys are the best and IPA is the best style on earth

>>15251424
Sure you can only get every style in the US and nowhere else, schizo. There's a reason nobody but Americans give a shit about IPA's.

>>15241159
Some feedback on bière de coupage which is clearly their oude geuze but I guess they can't call it that outside of Belgium. Pretty good, although a bit too funky for me. It's by far the best lambic style I've had from us, but it's hard to justify it over the Belgium classics, especially for how much they cost in Norway

>>15250437
A well made pilsner is one of the best beers you can buy

>>15237785

>>15244124
I like that one as well as this

>>15248086
This, you can go to Applebee's in bumfuck nowhere and they will have some good beer on tap now. So many time travelers from 15 years ago ITT.

>>15237778
German beers are extremely overrated, like italy and their pizza. Sure, they've been at it for a long time, but a lot of them taste just like budweiser, and other beers that aficionados turn their noses at, but they cream themselves over the aforementioned German beers. I would put German beer on the same level as American beer, but I agree, Belgian beer is god tier. Brits do nice porters and stouts, but that's it. Never cared for pilsners.

>>15241791
Based. I've been all over this great country, but Montana beers are the best, and the state has the best craft scene. I actually worked at a popular brewery in Billings for a couple of years, the head brewer there is based as fuck.

>>15250246
If you don't like beer go ahead and drink watery simple lagers, its ok, but don't act like you are drinking anything besides mildly barley flavored seltzer

>>15252593
I drink every style including IPA or Imperial stout, don't worry. But I don't need an absurd amount of hop or coffee/cacao nibs to enjoy the taste of beer.

>>15252727
>But I don't need an absurd amount of hop or coffee/cacao nibs to enjoy the taste of beer
No one said you should
But if you don't like straight up imperial stout with no adjuncts, you don't like beer
I would say the best beers I have ever tried are straight big stouts aged in whiskey barrels for a couple years, but I drink a very wide variety of styles and like all of them at least occasionally

>>15252593
Lagers have a lot of taste. The only ones that don't are the mass produced crap

Denmark is slept on by most normie beer drinkers.
They have the most micro breweries pr. Capita and make some crazy good stuff

>>15252769
Lagers are fine, but they certainly are not robustly flavored, especially the mass marketed ones that are popular everywhere. It is certainly possible to make a robust, complex, flavorful lager but that is not traditional

>people rating UK beer in this thread
Lmao, only good English brewery is Samuel smith

>>15252786
the UK has much better access to modern craft beer than most of Europe, but yeah much of their traditional ales are pretty meh

>>15237785
Based

>>15252786
Even worse is people rating german and Czech beer when all they make is pissbeer lager and wheats

>>15252785
Bocks are exactly that.

>>15252756
It's an ok style but the taste of alcohol usually is too present for me. In term of strong dark beer, I prefer Belgian dark ale. Pic related is probably the best of those I've tried.

>>15252803
Yeah, bocks are great, but they aren't particularly popular anywhere traditionally, the vast majority of the best ones are made by craft breweries

>>15252811
They're kinda popular in Germany. Especially in spring when the breweries start selling their maibocks or the heavy dark winterbocks in late autumn. Still very seasonal.

>I am American
>I only drink American beer
>I have never been outside of America
>Therefore I feel confident that American beer is the best in the world

>>15252842
I just remember Germans thinking it was weird when I ordered anything besides the basic lager when I was there
A brewery by me is releasing a brandy barrel aged weizenbock today though that I am looking forward to

>>15252785
Bock's, rauchbier, pilsner, schwarzbier, is grodziskie a lager? Idk. A local place puts out a barrel aged dark lager that's awesome. There are a ton of traditional flavorful lagers. You're being dumb anon. Stop it

>>15252852
This thread is literally the opposite. Europeans who only are familiar with Bud Light from the US saying American beer sucks while well traveled and adventurous beer drinkers from the US say nah

You have to understand that US craft beer drinkers, the kind of people who like to talk about beer and would post about it here, really enjoy trying new things, being able to try something new from a distant place is something most of them really like. They are honestly prone to overrating Euro beers, you should see us all jerk off over Belgian beers

>>15252867
Yeah, I certainly wasn't arguing that lagers can't be good, just that when people talk about lagers the ones they are talking about usually aren't very interesting

>>15252877
The common person sure. There's a surge in my state for traditional lagers right now it seems. It's actually pretty cool. A few different breweries are releasing kellerpils that are insanely good. I'm a huge sucker for the dark lagers too. Almost prefer them to stouts desu. It's also fun to see eisbocks here and there

1. UK
2. Belgium
3. Germany
4. Czech Republic
5. The new world (US, Canada)

I hink I'm biased towards the UK as I love bitters and stouts, and old fashioned ales. British breweries understand the subtleties of those flavours I find.

>>15252898
Yes, this stuff is indeed great. The process of lagering is not in any way bad, its just that most traditionally popular styles of lager are very bland and simple

>>15252902
If you love stouts its actually fucking insane to not put the US number one

>>15252855
>I just remember Germans thinking it was weird when I ordered anything besides the basic lager when I was there
Because it's a lager nation (same for most continental European countries). Pilsener is by far the most popular style making almost 2/3 of all beers produced (lagers in general should make around 4/5). The only important ale is weizen. Bastard ale/lagers like kölsch or alt are very regional.

>>15237778
>What do you think is the best country for beer?
D E N M A R K
t. Dane

>>15252786
I totally disagree with this. British breweries just aren't showy. They usually don't do overly complicated meme beers, they do traditional beers really, really well

A good Scotch Ale or North East Brown Ale (not Newcasle Brown obviously) is great, but people (Americans) would say they're bland and boring because they have ADHD tastebuds.

>>15252909
Yeah but you can say that about almost anything mass produced. It's supposed to be that way basically. Inoffensive. It's just sad to see people disregard lagers almost entirely because of that stigma in america. One local brewery had a dark lager and the brewer talked to me about how it was his favorite beer he's put out but few order it since it's still a pretty uncommon style in the states. Got a few people drinking stouts that day to switch it up and they were all pretty surprised at the flavor.
I'm just ranting at this point though

>>15252870
Bullshit. You can't get a feeling for a country's beer culture without having actually visited and immersed yourself in it. The best beers in Europe are ones you can only get in individual pubs that brew it themselves. Anything you have in America has been imported, and is always large scale commercial shit as a result.

>>15252915
Meme stouts are memes, not stouts.

>>15252919
I actually got the impression that most Germans had literally never tried a stout, let alone an IPA

>>15252929
I certainly don't disregard lagers from local craft breweries, but I do usually assume any Euro on this site talking about lagers is talking about bland generic stuff rather than more obscure styles

>>15252934
Are you just considering any stout over fucking 4% ABV a meme stout?
UK alcohol tax laws are fucked, your beer is so weak because of it

>>15252931
>Anything you have in America has been imported, and is always large scale commercial shit as a result.
Yeah but something like Ayinger or Weihenstephaner is a much better representation of German beer culture than Bud Light is of American beer culture.

Most of our best beers aren't even available nationwide, let alone internationally.

>>15252935
That's right though. British styles weren't/aren't sold here except Guinness and Kilkenny. Most of these are only available from hipster breweries with faggy labels so people avoid them, but no regular ones. I wouldn't wonder if it's that different for other neighbouring countries.
Many Germans haven't even tried the more exotic domestic styles. It's all about pils, weizen, helles (which is on the rise outside of Bavaria) and dunkel/schwarzbier (often for cooking).

>>15252915
US and UK stout are completely different though
>>15252920
Norwegian beers are better

>>15253038
I noticed quite a bit more American style craft beer in Prague than in Munich where there was almost none

>>15253072
>US and UK stout are completely different though
how so?

>>15237778
By your own description the US is, as per usual, number one. How couldn’t it be if we have thousands of microbreweries making any beer anyone could ever want? The question was “what country is best for beer?” Not “what country has the longest traditions.” If you travel to the US you can get any beer you’ve had anywhere else in the world.

>>15243652
>Tfw get free green card because in invited to work in the US because lack of high skill employees
>Tfw decline because the us is a nigger infested 3rd world shithole

>>15253112
The best thing about the US is how little effort it takes to be surrounded by excellent beers. Even shitty super markets and dive bars have plenty of really good stuff, and if you go to quality places the selection of great stuff is just absurd, historically unprecedented. No one in the history of the world has it as good as people in the northern US today

I drink lagers, ruby and amber ales mostly.

I'll Always try to find local (English) beers, but I like Polish beers.

Honourable mention to Red/Yellow donkey from Santorini.

>>15253081
Overall more hops and stronger in term of roast in american stouts compared to UK ones.

>>15253420
I mean there is a "American Style Stout" from the old school style textbooks but America makes a fucking lot of stouts of a wide variety of styles

I've conquered all the beeries
I'm never gonna stop
Triples, quads and geuzies
I've drank the fucking lot

Barrel aged smoked porters
And England's local brews
I'm a big fat bastard
Cause I love my fucking hooch

Allez allez allez
Allez allez allez

>>15253112
>If you travel to the US you can get any beer you’ve had anywhere else in the world.
But is it as good and easily available as a Duvel or Schneider Weisse?

>>15253806
You can easily get those in the US, and yes much better local stuff of all sorts of styles too

>>15237778
how can you claim Belgium no 1. with a straight face and post Duvel

>>15240013
around here you find your favorite local brew and stick to it for live
i cant share your experience on price.
Our local beers are cheap and some often on discount, where they rival plastic bottle trash in price, while tasting actually great

>>15253834
>much better local stuff of all sorts of styles too
doubt.jpg

>>15237778
>3. United States
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCKING HELL.
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

>>15240828
5 time.
5 time.
5 time.
5 time.
5 time.

>>15254146

>>15237778
In all honesty, a country by country comparison of who has the best beer is ridiculous. I have had excellent beers in and from all of these countires. I also had some shit beers from them. What beer I fancy at any particular moment is a function of my day, what I am eating it with, and what is currently available. It is kinda like arguing about which country has the best hookers. They all have good ones, and they all have meth monsters.

>>15253469
I appreciated this post.

>>15237879
California blows oregon out of the water. Name a single oregon beer that holds a candle to pliny, racer, scrimshaw, boont, or even Sierra. It's not like oregon has bad beer at all, but none of them reach the heights of the best california beers. I've lived in both states, and even native oregonians agree with me.

>>15243440
>san Diego
Much weaker beer scene than the bay, fuck stone

>>15254504
Stone isn't even top 5 san diego breweries

>>15254137
Can't tell if butthurt Burger or Yuro

1. United States
2. England
3. Denmark
4. Sweden
5. Belgium

Australian btw

>>15237879
>wisconsin not number one

>>15254632
The people who live there drag you further down the list. All those "part time owners"

>>15237785
This and it makes eurogays seethe so much lmao
Most of the brewers here fled Europe because its a shithole with no freedom

1. United States of America (USA)
There is no other country that makes anything that should even be able to legally be called "beer"

>>15254476
>California blows oregon out of the water.

Haha.100% this. I used to work in a beer bar in Portland, and oh boy did those faggots get mad when I said the best part of the beer scene in Oregon was its proximity to California. With a few exceptions, much of the beer in Oregon is like the rest of the state---overrated horseshit made by dilettantes for idiots.

>>15240734
>if you haven't had fresh Guinness straight from the Dublin brewery you've never had true Guinness, it's legitimately delicious.
You're fucking retarded. I bet you think Bud Light fresh out of the vats is amazing too.

>>15245712
>just the largest exporter of beer in the world
>random

I only know of one there, but Switzerland has one of the best brewery in the world

>>15256412
>They sell loads of Heineken, it must be amazing!

>>15252915
>we put it in a hecking bourbon barrel, so epic!

>>15237785
In keeping with their social/demographic status, the US certainly has the most "diverse" beer scene ;)

>>15237785
Agreed

>>15242020

Reminder that beer will degrade over time quite quite quickly and reaches peak a few weeks after bottling.

>>15257632
Some, but not most beers actually get better over the period of one or two years after bottling. Mostly the high ABV styles such as Porter, Imperial Stout and Barley wine. Had a couple bottles of the same batch of porter that I drank immidiately after purchase, one and two years. It becomes more complex and balanced and the alcohol note gets lessened. What you’re saying is true for lagers, ales and hop-heavy types that don’t stay well for longer periods due to fast degradation of chemicals in hops

>>15252429
I haven't heard of that one before, I'll see if I can find it, thanks!

>>15254476
Pliny is the most overrated IPA ever, its basically the same tier as Two Hearted, something that was in every midwestern super market 10 years ago and west coasties acted like it was the greatest beer ever made at the time

>>15255401
>being this mad that a local sports team is owned publicly so they invest the profits all back into the team rather than enriching some random ass rich owner who can leave the city on a whim

>>15241160
Samuel smith, Kirstall brewery, northern monk, Taylors to name a few

>>15256955
bourbon barrel aged stouts are actually the best though, all big stouts deserve to be barrel aged

>>15244124
for me its

>>15252786
UK has a massive craft scene and their tradition real ales and good as well.

>>15257809
>He actually fell for it
What is in the water over there?

>>15257815
>all big stouts deserve to be barrel aged

maybe a just want a normal stout sometimes and i don't want every fucking stout to be barrel aged

>>15257632
This isn't true at all. That applies to IPAs but most high ABV or sour beers get better with age. Most high end brewers won't even release their best high ABV beers until they have aged a year or so, sours even longer

So don't age IPAs, they quickly get less good, especially the best IPAs have the shortest shelf lives. Most lagers have so little going on that it doesn't matter much unless they have green bottles which is the dumbest shit ever, they get subtly worse over time otherwise so don't intentionally age them but they have a decent shelf life. But with big stouts, barleywines etc aging is great. I routinely age barrel aged beer and taste various years side by side and the first year or two makes considerable difference, after that the change little, I have never had a big beer that I thought had aged too long, just some where I thought the last year didn't make a difference. Now an exception to this potentially will be big beers with a lot of adjuncts, generally stuff with coffee has the coffee flavor degrade a bit so it certainly doesn't go bad but ends up tasting less adjuncty and more like the base beer which may not be what you are looking for

>>15257835
Why are you posting coastie man meme? Barrel aging stouts is a midwestern thing
>maybe a just want a normal stout sometimes and i don't want every fucking stout to be barrel aged
um, you realize that non-barrel aged stouts are extremely common, barrel aging is usually reserved for the best, biggest stouts breweries make. Breweries putting too much of their stout in barrels is absolutely not a real problem

>>15239748
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T LIKE INTERESTING FLAVOURS AND SOUR THINGS, MY PALLETE DEMANDS YOU STOP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
>mmmm mango beer go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>15241219
>>15241270
based Ameriphobe

>>15257815
No. Stop forcing the bourbon flavor into stouts. I don't fucking want it

>>15237778
I like beers that taste good.
And if something tastes good to me, I'll drink it.
1. Greater Britannia, (i.e ireland, scots brit.)
2. Yankee beer
3. Confed beer
4. Aussie
5. German.
That's my opinion

>>15237778
ok
czech and german beer is a bit like piss but why not

>>15257862
um, then don't buy it mate, there is plenty of both to go around

>>15249068
>Whatever you faggots have done, Canadians have done better.

>>15257852
Haha hopping three times brrr

>>15257816
Don't think I've had that one either. Time to visit the beer shop.

>>15241228
>liberal patriots
Faggots then

>>15257873
I don't, but now I can't find founders imperial stout cause all u faggots bought the barrel meme and they stopped distributing it

>>15257632
8/10 bait

>>15237785
Gud b8

>>15237778
US first because it uses all styles and has fostered the most creativity. Belgium because their traditional beers are top notch. Germany third because despite the lack of variety they probobly have some of the most skilled brewers. England is bottom of the barrel.

>>15257815
barrel aged can be good, ex-bourbon barrels just overpower the malt and hop flavour with most beer with sickly vanilla and coconut

give me an mperial russian anyday

Canada makes good beer :)

>>15237785
Muttoids need to be rangebanned from this board ASAP

>>15241281
I fucking hate SNL but Jeopardy Connery is great.

>>15241924
You can't smell a gimmick from a mile away? C'mon, man. But I agree, I'm getting fatigued by all the flavored stouts myself. I do love KBS, though, not gonna lie. Now, Prairie was doing it right when it actually made a difference, and a subtle one that, like with their Birthday Bomb brewed with vanilla beans, cacao nibs, coffee beans, and chili peppers. It actually worked, but it was subdued. Evil Twin on the other hand...

>>15241897
Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout is very good, but everything else of theirs I've had is pretty forgetful, and their pale ale was particularly not good. Haven't tried their porter yet, but I'd like to, heard it's great.

>>15237879
>Michigan
That goes without saying, anon.

A tie between the US, Belgium, and Germany
I don't like the American meme styles, BUT American craft breweries do make good takes on non-meme styles like pilsners, witbiers, blonde ales, and amber lagers.
I don't care for the DIPA and sour meme shit, I wish there wasn't so much emphasis on that.

Why is KBS rated so high?
At its price point it was kind of a disappointment.
I think I enjoyed the regular Breakfast Stout more.

>>15252799
Germany has a lot of pissbeer but I've had some really good beers from there. Good wheat beers but also some lagers that had more flavor to them than just malt seltzer.

>>15253834
I love American craft beer but Duvel and Schneiderweisse are the shit. I was at a bar in Germany last year and was drinking the latter like water.

>>15249084
>global commerce moves good beer like its nothing
Mostly doesn't, as it is heavy and relatively low value per tonne. There's some trade in beer, but it's very much a minority thing. Big brewcorps usually have many actual breweries around the world so they don't have to ship stuff so far.