/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15209628
>Meat is literally the most satisfying food I've ever eaten in my life
Have you tried stopping being a fat fuck and find satisfaction in other activities other than eating?

You are more annoying than vegans by a order of magnitude, slightly less than femminists

>>15209779
This is the cooking board, retard.

>>15209834
>cooking
Exactly, a bord for cooking. Not a blog where you post how much you like eating something, faggot

>>15209628
There's a reason it's so satisfying. Listen to your body, the thing that evolved over millions of years to keep you alive, instead of (((nutritionists))) and you'll be perfectly healthy.

>>15209628
>>going veg/vegan might have positive health effects (in some cases)
They're just more likely to pay attention to what they eat which results in being healthier. But the healthiest people are still omnivores who regularly exercise and don't eat a lot of junk food.

>>15209628
Have you considered hunting for your own meat? Factory farming is disgusting but it doesnt mean we shouldnt be eating meat at all

>>15210229
>Factory farming is disgusting
Why? Personally, I know it's not ideal but in the end, I don't care.

>>15210241
Even if you don't care about the animals, it makes for lower quality meat. You could try to find local farms which might take better care of the animals while providing a better product, if you don't mind having to pay a little more.

>>15209628
Honestly?
If you raise your own animals for food or hunt its not even remotely cruel (unless you are abusive/neglectful to your livestock in which case why the fuck would you care about ethics to begin with)
ARAs and vegan activists will never hesitate to show you the worst of the worst of animal husbandry. Factory farming can be pretty shit, which is why I took matters into my own hands.

Livestock raised properly will offer animals the best life possible, something nature cannot provide.
Here's a list of things humans can give animals that nature can't:
Low infant mortality rates if/when birth complications arise
A constant supply of food and clean water
The best protection from predators
The best disease prevention/treatment
And most of all:
A quick and painless death. Most wild animals usually die getting eaten ass first. And that's if they are lucky.

Poor animal husbandry of course is appalling, but we need animals. And to say otherwise is fucking pathetic.

When vegans show you videos of animal abuse as a reason to abstain from meat, it's no different to me than someone showing a video of spousal abuse to abstain from starting a family.

Bad shit happens, the best way to try to not contribute to it is to do it yourself to your own standards. Not all animals have to live in shitty cafos.

>>15209628
>going veg/vegan might have positive health effects
going all meat is even healthier

>>15209628
Humans. Evolved. To. Eat. Meat.

Tens of thousands of years. This argument is on par with flat earth. Eat meat, have a balanced healthy diet, and try to source your meat as ethically as you can given your budget. I'd rather chickens be kept in cages, and a poor family gets a roast chicken for dinner than 100 percent ethical and those kids go without. Vegans are spoilt rich beats arguing about nothing because they are malcontents.

>>15210382
*brats

>>15209628
>how humans treat animals is cruel af
For example, farmers who grow grains, vegetables, and fruit routinely use pesticides to kill non-humanoid vegans (ie, animals). They also use dead animals in the form of blood meal and bone meal to feed their plants.

For those two reasons alone, I have switched to a carnivore diet. It is far more ethical, and hurts fewer animals. In fact, just imagine if humans suddenly stopped eating cows, pigs, and chickens. Those species would die out in the wild. It would be cruel to suddenly submit them to Darwinism without the grace and benevolence of humans to husband them for consumption. Their populations would be eradicated in a generation by more vicious predators, if humans ever abandoned them.

>>15210382
>Humans. Evolved. To. Eat. Meat.
Note the corollary is true too: Animals evolved to be meat. Without human intervention, cows wouldn't exist, they'd be some weird looking deer-ox, and probably extinct from other meat-eating animals consuming them. There'd be no domesticated pigs, just wild killer boar. No dogs, just wolves. Chickens and turkeys would still be dinosaurs.

>>15210399
> if humans suddenly stopped eating cows, pigs, and chickens. Those species would die out in the wild

Hi based dubs carnivore.
Now, I wanna start off by saying I fucking hate vegans. But I have to disagree with you.
Cows, pigs, and chickens would NOT go extinct in the wild. In fact, there are wild and feral cows, pigs, and chickens currently. Feral hogs are actually a huge problem for crop farmers in the United States, mostly in the south but they have been quickly migrating north.
If the world went vegan, we would still have to kill these animals in order to protect our crops. Cows and chickens definitely would lose their range. Chickens absolutely need shelter if they are not in a tropical environment. Cows may or may not do well, there is a definite need for bovines in North America, to fill the role of buffalo as grazers and fertilizers to help promote soil health and prevent bushfires. But I'm not sure our domesticated cattle could fill that role without human intervention.

The biggest issue is that most land is ill equipped to grow crops for human consumption. So without animals, food insecurity might actually become an even more serious issue.

>>15209628
Vegan here, if you ask me and most others that switched what we miss most the answer is actually cheese and dairy fats (ice cream, sour cream, butter, etc.). I haven't craved meat in a long time, but margarita pizza and various pastas still have allure.

>>15209628
>stop eating bacon and eggs for breakfast, bologna burrito for lunch, and steak for dinner
>saved enough money to afford higher quality grass-fed biologique sheeit for one meal each day
>replace low-quality meat with beans or your own fat if you’re into fasting

>>15209628
>living in factory farms is a hellish, miserable existence
>to turn into grocery store meat, they must be killed, freeing them from this
problem solved. im liberating chicken souls by the pound

>>15210277
>When vegans show you videos of animal abuse as a reason to abstain from meat, it's no different to me than someone showing a video of spousal abuse to abstain from starting a family.
that's one of the best analogies ive heard in awhile

>>15210804
wtf is a bologna burrito?

>>15209628
>my boyfriend's big black cock
makes sense desu.
black cock looks like feces and so does cooked beef.
pescetarian is the diet for non-degenerate whites.

>>15213040
If you're having shits that looks like this you need to see a doctor.

>>15213061
why would I cut open my shit to see what it looks like on the inside?
sounds like something a coprophiliac would do.

>>15213068
Why does your feces have bones in them

>>15213073
?

>>15213088
?

>>15213098
your turds have some red on them. rectal bleeding?

>>15213106
Does this look like a turd to you?

>>15210277
I would love to raise my own ducks, when I'll have a big enough garden. Duck meat is heaven to me.
Is it hard to take care of them? To field dress?
How much does it costs to get started?

>>15213113
not totally, looks more like a piece of poop poking out of a nog's anus

>>15209628
I'm just a home cook not a professional like soke on this board but I've found cooking much more satisfying since going mainly vegan (occasionally eat vegetarian if there's no option when eating out etc).
This is because when I ate meat I let it carry mediocre cooking. It didn't matter that the veg were bland and barely considered, the meat was delicious. Since going vegan I've learned a lot about making everything on the plate nice.
If I want something protein rich and chewy on my plate where meat used to be, I usually make seitan, which is more labour intensive but does the job well. It's hardly fucking wagyu but it's versatile, tasty and a fraction of the cost of the meat equivalents I'd be using.
I think a lot of you have only interacted with weird online vegans or people larping bait. All the other vegans I know in person don't give a shit if you want to eat meat. Individuals making choices like that is not what will stop climate change and creating a whole parallel industry does nothing to curb the cruelties of factory farming. It's going nowhere. Enjoy your steaks.

>>15213143
You wish you had big meaty shits like this.

>>15213155
the vegan diet is unhealthy and lacks key vitamins.
You should adopt a pescetarian or at least ostrovegan diet.

However, you should avoid eating poop food like red meat. It's for people who like fecal matter.

>>15213169
Stop trying to push bugs and bony fish onto people.

You're just mad because you cucked yourself into never eating a juicy grass finished dry aged ribeye and will instead opt for a diet that solely consists of unsustainably caught fish marinated in corexit.

Meanwhile I eat whatever the fuck I want. Surf AND turf.

>>15213169
Oh shit and lets not forget the parasites.
Hope you cook your fish well!

>>15209849
So what do you do after you finish cooking? Throw the dish away?

>>15213132
(1/2)
Duck meat is delicious! And I definitely glad I got them.
I am currently working 1 acre of land for pasture rotation. You could easily have 40 ducks on that. I ordered that many but had mostly males (so a lot of meat!!!).
Start up isn't cheap but isnt expensive either. I'd say on feed, infrastructure, eggs, fencing, etc, I spent less than 2 thousand dollars. Keep in mind that's for the startup, the fencing was definitely the most expensive part since I wanted something mobile (they are currently stationary for the winter while I use deep bedding to keep them warm/create free compost).

Ducks, in my opinion, are pretty easy to care for and are a great beginner livestock. They are flock animals and like to stick together, you have to give them a pool in hot weather but they are incredibly cold tolerant. They love the snow and can be outside with no infrastructure what so ever in temperatures as low as 20 degrees!

Brooding was tough because I didn't have a great system, but through trial and error bedding and something to keep water from getting everywhere will do wonders. I bought the ducklings in early June and only kept them in the brooder box for a week and a half.

I slaughtered the excess male ducks when they were about 12-16 weeks old. Keeping a ratio of 1 male for every 4-6 females (preferably 6).

Dressing the duck was something I enjoyed, but it is incredibly time intensive. If you want to save time you can invest in a plucker or wax, but I used neither. After slaughtering the duck I scalded in 150-160 degree water with a bit of dish soap for 90 seconds, making sure to slosh the ducks around so the soap would penetrate their oil glands to loosen up their feathers.
They are apparently more difficult to pluck than chickens. I have only dressed ducks so I couldn't tell you other than each duck which I meticulously plucked (head and everything) took 2-3 hours.
Gutting is pretty easy once you figure everything out....

>>15213132
To gut: Using a freshly sharpened knife using careful delicate cuts, you cut a vertical line from the base of the ribs and around the vent, being careful not the cut the intestines (I don't feed the ducks before slaughter). You then got to work around the membrane around the carcass to loosen up the insides. I have a certain order I pull everything out. Heart, liver, crop, intestines (with gizzard attached), testes, and then the lungs, which are pressed against the back of the duck and are easy to miss due to a membrane protecting them.
I save everything except the intestines. The gizzard, which is MASSIVE, is full of rocks when you cut it open, do NOT let it get into your sink. clean them in a bowl of water and remove the membrane. I usually let the gizzards sit in the fridge overnight which helps with peeling the membrane.

It is time consuming, but it is incredibly rewarding and for personal use I find it almost relaxing. I like to listen to audiobooks while I pluck. My psychotic vegan sister would have stroke if she knew I didn't feel guilt slaughtering these ducks. I kill them as quickly as a vet euthanasia. Knock them unconscious (sometimes killing them) on a killing cone and then with a freshly sharpened axe cut the head off and let them bleed out. I always thank each duck before each slaughter and promise they won't go to waste.

>>15209779
It's satisfying because it's something your organism needs. Humans can't live on soy alone, we need meat. Here is a list of things I would do before giving up meat:

1. Lobby for better farming practices
2. Lobby for genetically modifying cows, pigs, sheep, goats, &c to be even dumber so they can be classified as vegetables
3. Eat chicken, turkey and fish - these are already dumb as a stump
4. Eat a vegan. Less vegans means more grass is available for grazing animals, thus more meat.

It's not like I eat meat every single day, but you can't cut meat completely from your diet. Your extreme stance only hurts your goal. There is nothing wrong with eating meat.

>>15213203
>>15213225
well said anon, enjoy your dark brown poop food

>>15209779
>femminists
YOU’RE A RETARD, GET OFF THE INTERNET DUMB FAGGOT

>>15209628
You should try some home made seitan. Closest thing to real meat I have had besides beyond burger which I'm not all about the ground beef so I don't care much for it

>>15210141
>Muh appeal to nature

>>15210277
I think a key point you are forgetting to address is that you are killing the animal in the end. What about viewing an analogy where you raise a human being up and then kill them before they are old for some use. That sounds pretty fucked up, but at least I gave them a good fucking life, right? You are delusional but we'll thought out in your reasoning.

>>15210382
Care to source your claim? If anything, there is evidence to suggest we evolved thanks to the help of learning to cook starches. Meat helped us survive in hard times when we couldn't farm yet, bad weather, etc. But it doesn't mean it was ideal for health.

>>15210399
You know what takes a lot of land to grow? All the crops to raise an animal. The amount used to feed an animal, which then we eat, is far more wasteful then just eating the crops first. You're delusional.

>>15209628
Veganism is terrible for you. What makes you think eating only plants is a good fucking idea? The vast majority of plants on our planet are fucking very toxic to humans. The few ones we can eat without dying still give us oxalates and cancer and empty calories, not to mention the blatant nutritional deficits you’ll face as a vegan.

Don’t fall for the fucking broccoli meme. You’d need to eat a literal fucking kg of broccoli to get the same amount of protein as a 10-12oz beef steak. Also it’s plant protein, which is inferior in every way to animal protein.

>>15213582
>Bro trust me

>>15213510
You sound like you are a bit disconnected with life and death. You think life is some sort of huge deal, when in reality it's not. It's just some temporary thing. You want to believe in virtue and justice but only according to your own subjective beliefs. But the cold hard reality is people are going to ultimately do whatever they want.

Also, if you think killing an animal is exactly the same as killing another human being then you are saying if you were put in a situation where you had to kill a random animal or a random person you would actually have a tough time choosing. That's kind of fucked up man. At least I'd have your back.

>>15213538
Or instead of feeding an animal kibble you feed it shit like grass and compost.

How the fuck you think people ate meat before industrial agriculture?

>>15213705
What makes a human life any more valuable than an animal's?

>>15213582
No vegan believes that broccoli is a nutritional substitute for steak lmao, we have lentils, beans, tofu, tempeh, quinoa, mushrooms, seitan, nuts etc for that

>>15213274
>>15213316
Thank you for taking the time to write this! Very informative!

>>15213739
I really shouldn't have to explain this to you but I'll give you a little scenario.
Lets say you get lost in the woods and you break your leg. What species would you prefer to run into:
A: Wolf
B: Bear
C: Deer
D: Human

Which one would be most likely to help you?

>>15213776
If it's a human infant then I guess none of them would be able to help me, does that mean an infants life has the same value as those other animals?

>>15213820
Dumbass who cant accept they are wrong. I hope one day you hike in the woods and break your leg and run into a human. But i doubt you ever leave your house let alone go near the woods

Vegatards are 50% more likely to break bones

>>15213776
>What species would you prefer to run into:
>A: Wolf
>B: Bear
>C: Deer
>D: Human
deer so I can eat it. human might kill me

>>15213905
You haven't proven anything wrong, you've only asked an irrelevant question, I don't think something's capacity or willingness to help determines its value

>>15214007
Then what determines it's value?

>>15213739
The fact that you are yourself human?
I think you would normally feel more empathetic towards a member of your species or some random animal.
But autists are known to lack empathy, so I'm not really surprised

>>15214071
Maybe I am autistic idk but I usually take logic over empathy

>>15214035
Well considering we all sorts of mentally impaired/vegetabilised people alive I don't really have an answer for you, that questions been asked for thousands of years and it's not going to get answered on 4chans cooking board

>>15214071
I'm sure you value your pets life over Ping Lee's in Manchuria

>>15214157
Well if you can't answer that question stop trying to get people to stop killing animals for food.

For me value is determined by the individual, society plays a small role in placing value on someone, especially if you are super involved in and dependent on society.

It's all context sensitive. It's like morals, it really, really is subjective.

>>15214137
Then logically you should understand that life has no value, to anything but us.
Our goal is to progress as a species, by any means necessary.
In the long run, an human life has more value to mankind than the life of a cow or a chicken because it can potentially bring more than just a small quantity of food.

>>15214165
Not really
What kind of sick fuck would kill a human over a dog or a cat?

>>15213155
Based chill vegan.

But my hatred of veganism comes from irl interactions. I have a relative that is a literal caricature of the pushy vegan stereotype. I feel bad for the chill ones and I will even cook vegan food for the ones who will insult me. But obnoxious vegans exist irl. And they fucking suck.

Any chill vegan I have met is not vegan anymore. They just eat a clean diet and avoid overeating.

>>15209628
>going veg/vegan might have positive health effects (in some cases)
>implying vegetarian is even remotely the same as vegan

>>15209834
Based

>>15210277
>ARAs and vegan activists will never hesitate to show you the worst of the worst of animal husbandry
They have been caught multiple times staging animal torture videos on peoples farms to use as propaganda. They’ll get hired on as farm hands or cowboys and then beat or whip animals brutally and film it and then claim this is what all ranching is like.

>>15214184
I definitely agree, I never said anything about you or anyone else converting though

>>15209779
Maybe instead you should try logging off and finding some joy in life. Eating good food is enjoyable if you aren't terminally brain damaged.

>>15214201
The majority of people would I'm sure, depending on the context of course

>>15214195
Well at the moment neither life has much value to mankind, we are way overpopulated by both humans and livestock so a good cull of both would be much more beneficial

>>15214254
also im gay btw

>>15214283
True. I think people who won't produce their own food should be the first to go.

>>15209628
>going veg/vegan might have positive health effects (in some cases)

I haven't really researched it, but in my personal experience, the people who talk about how much better they feel after switching to vegan/vegetarian diet are people who ate like complete shit beforehand. So, they went from not caring about their diet, to some strict diet that requires a lot of thought and attention. In my opinion, it's probably more the fact that they're paying attention to what they're eating than the meat itself.

Maybe someone's done a comparison of a healthy omnivore diet with grass fed beef, organic food, etc. compared to vegetarian/vegan though. But all the vegetarian/vegan diet comparison studies I've seen talk about comparing it to the average american/brit/etc who eats like shit.

>>15214297
I have a veggie farm myself and don't know if I'd be able to protect it in the case of a food system collapse, it's too hard to get a gun in this country

>>15214322
Hope you have a year round growing season

>>15214341
I do, as well as plenty of knowledge on preservation techniques

>>15210241
>prolonged torture of animals

But if you dont care about that here are more reasons why we shouldnt factory farm
>antibiotics and growth hormones in meat
>leads to the development of new diseases that can infect humans
>low quality meat
>massive use of resources

Why not just kill your own animal 1-2x per year, you’ll have enough meat for an entire year, as well as bones/a pelt that you can use all for the price of a gun and a hunting license, saving you literal thousands for really good quality meat

>>15214365
Do you think with a complete societal collapse you will be able to rely on a vegan diet?

>>15213776
>Humans are best because they are most useful to me, a human.

Dumb argument anon. All life is equally meaningless, I would kill and eat humans as well if it wasnt illegal

>>15213718
Meat used to be a luxury, not a staple.

>>15209628

None of the vegans and vegetarians I've met looked healthy.

On the other side, this goes for keto as well. Everyone I've seen who does keto looks 10 years older than they should for their age.

Just eat balanced and exercise, people. It's not rocket science.

>>15213909
>Source: trust me bro

>>15214071
Claiming autistic lack empathy, yet you have none for anyone but humans (presumably). You sound like the one lacking empathy

>>15213705
Life isn't a big deal? Why don't you just end your own life it it really isn't special?

>>15213705
When would I ever be in such a retarded situation as killing a person or animal? Once again, that doesn't actually refute shit. You just made up some scenario and claim there, it's all bullshit. Meat eaters cope harder than trumpers

>>15214489
I'm not the one who is constantly trying to convert people to my diet.

>>15214529
Projection. Most vegans aren't preachy, if anything we are the ones bombarded with retards like you asking where muh protein is at or mmm bacon. You fucking faggot

>>15210260
>it makes for lower quality meat
Does it? I don't know much about how it's made but don't they want to get more of "the good stuff" inside the meat?

>>15213471
You obviously have no idea what that means. This is not a moral argument. This is a pragmatic one. It's about a specific function of the human body to nurture itself by seeking out the nutrients it needs. If this was dysfunctional, as you argue, then humans literally would not be alive today.

>>15214586
Nah man. I wouldn't let you eat any of my meat, eggs, dairy, or honey. You can eat your tofu and wear your pleather.

>>15210277
Are you the fucking guy that runs goldshaw farms???
The guy who runs goldshaw fucking farms browses fucking /ck/!?!?

>>15214699
No I am not goldshaw farms.
He is pretty based though and he definitely was an influence on my duck decision

>>15213155
You talk about veganism so much but your entire post could've been summed up in
>i was a lazy and shit cook when i cooked meat
>since i became vegan I had to learn to cook veggies better so they wouldn't be so awful anymore
pure autism

>>15214597
They can be given low quality food to cut costs and not being kept in the best conditions leads to more stress, both of which make for lower quality meat. Like chickens are naturally omnivores but are only given plants to eat on factory farms, and that's going to make for less flavorful meat.

>>15214618
Where is your credible source saying that's actually true though?

>>15214724
How do you figure out which "factory" makes high quality meat? I've heard even the 'Organic' ones have loopholes in the definition and are not really organic or high quality.

being an atheist and valuing life are contradicting views

>>15214781
R.I.P cute baby mouse

>>15214776
If it's from a factory then it's all mostly going to be the same thing. They just figure out ways to try to make it more appealing, like labeling chicken as "vegetarian-fed!" because most people don't realize chickens are omnivores. Supposedly Perdue has a free-range line of products now though which might be better. And you can look for air-chilled chicken which won't be as waterlogged as water-chilled chicken can be. But if you want something better you'll probably have to buy directly from a local farm where you can see how the animals are treated, or look for a grocery store that stocks their products.

>>15214800
*SNAP*

>>15214816
You cant kill him he's already dead

>>15214800
and yet for the snake to live, the mouse must die
the end of one life extends another
https://youtu.be/0xhL2TM2csY?t=108

>>15214823
No shit retard. You act like I don't catch and kill mice in snap traps.

>>15213232
>So what do you do after you finish cooking? Throw the dish away?
I surely don't post on ck, based cretin

>>15214841
that python has the spider morph, it is very controversial (it should be illegal) because it gives the snake a neurological condition called "wobble"
it manifests in a way that makes the snake apparently unable to tell up from down, they often corkscrew and get disoriented easily, and they often miss their target when striking

giving one live prey that can defend itself is asking for trouble

>>15215078
What I want to know is did the person keep the mouse after seeing that it clearly won

>>15214406
Potentially but I'd eat meat and any animal products if necessary, however a thorough knowledge of local edible plants would help to avoid that and I have been trying to incorporate those into my cooking

>>15215105
might as well

>>15213538
>You know what takes a lot of land to grow? All the crops to raise an animal.
There's 8 billion humans. It's going to take a whole fucking lot of land if humans all became vegans. The amount of land necessary to raise all the crops for a vegan person is huge, especially when you consider that humans need such a massive diversity of crops. You can take a dumb cow and feed it grain to fatten it up, and then slaughter it. But for a person to grow healthy on a vegan diet would require a huge diversity of leafy greens, root vegetables, etc. If you lived on grains alone, you'd be fat, diseased, and have brain development problems. And even still, you'd be half the size of a cow, but you'd live 10 times longer, requiring even more food.

>>15215115
there was a guy who tried to live off just plant foraging and he ended up catching and cooking a rabbit he caught because he was so hungry
lol

Eating plants is just as immoral as eating animals. In fact, it's probably worse. I'm eating an animal that eats other animals. You're eating a plant that only ever ate sunlight and water and cow shit.

>>15209628
I fucking love lamb sirloin

>>15215641
Fair enough, depends on where you live as well. Plenty of wild yams around where I live

>>15215771
Ok chud

>>15213528
Hard times? As in pre-agriculture? Like when humans were evolving? I’d you want to cite something that even begins to IMPLY that cooked starches were the primary food source for early man before you ask me (not the guy you responded to) to provide what should be obvious.

Think about it this way- given the abundance of wildlife and large animals, would it be calorically more efficient to seek out and hunt protein and fat rich nutrient sources or scramble for some root like sweet potato ancestor that couldn’t tide you over for a day, much less a whole week?

>>15215462
You are a retard and also missing the entire point. The amount of land we would reduce by not eating meat greatly surpasses the amount of land needed to feed all humans a vegan diet.

>>15215964
https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2015/08/10/starchy-carbs--not-a-paleo-diet--advanced-the-human-race.html

Like I said, for survivals sake meat works and it's helped us survive so long. But once we began to cook starches, it led to literallyore developed brain.

>>15215778
No need for insults

>>15215964
>Humans. Evolved. To. Eat. Meat.
Humans also had children with their cousins at the young age of 15, were physically active 16h a day and had their sleep constantly disturbed and where constantly affected by parasites. Not to mention that "in the natural habitat" humans die rather young. None of those things are considered very healthy nowadays.
>Like when humans were evolving?
You think evolution is something that just starts and stops?

>>15214296

>>15213528
I think cooked starches don't get enough credit for our evolution, because we were eating grains before agriculture began. But you can see even today with hunter-gatherers that they mainly rely on meat and only fall back on cooked starches as a primary food source when they don't have a successful hunt.

>>15209628
OP is a faggot
T. vegetarian

>>15216247
>were physically active 16h a day
I saw a study a long time ago that said hunter-gatherers actually only need to spend about 20h a week to get enough food, but that can depend on how plentiful food is in the area I suppose.

>Not to mention that "in the natural habitat" humans die rather young.
Children die more often from disease, but for those who lived past childhood they would generally live to around 60. Averaging both of those together makes it seem like everyone died at 40 but that's not exactly accurate.

>>15209628
Vegetarian here. You should raise small animals for meat or hunt if possible. Sure, you're still killing, but its much less cruel than factory farming.

>>15216029
There's no evidence of that, and in fact it's quite obvious that the opposite would be true. Meat is the most efficent form of calories. If everyone were a vegan, it would require an enormous amount of industrial farming, so much that the pesticides and fossil fuel usage alone would probably make the planet extinct.

>>15210399
>Those species would die out in the wild. It would be cruel to suddenly submit them to Darwinism without the grace and benevolence of humans to husband them for consumption. Their populations would be eradicated in a generation by more vicious predators, if humans ever abandoned them
This is a dumb argument. Keeping millions of animals in torture is more cruel than having a few of them live naturally.

>>15214254
Absolute bullshit.

>>15216633
>Keeping millions of animals in torture is more cruel than having a few of them live naturally.
So I take it you're also in favor of reducing the human population, seeing as billions of them are living in cruel, torturous conditions? Do away with the 99%, i say.

>>15214597
No, they want to make meat cheaply as possible. That’s all.

Livestock, raised properly

-Lives a better life than in the wild
-Lives longer than in the wild on average (less risk of starvation, disease, getting eaten by other animals)
-Dies painlessly without having any conception of death or mortality because they're animals

What's the alternative?

1.) The animal never existed in the first place
2.) The animal lives in the wild, often struggles to find food, will get attacked/hunted by other predators, will likely die a much more painful death (starvation, slow death to illness, hunted and eaten alive by other animals)

How are 1 or 2 more ethical or preferable to just being given a comfortable life and a swift painless death when the time comes?

>>15216247
Did humans evolve to die young and fuck their cousins?

Youd think if we evolved to died so young no one would live past the age of 30.

>>15209849
>we need a separate board for flavor
Are you ok

>>15216987
>Writing how much you like meat is related to cooking and food and not a blog post
Have you seriously considered reddit?
You can make a this personal post there and you can also accumulate points based on the popularity of your opinions

>>15213510
Well in this situation, the animals would most likely die at a much younger age and a worse life. You're basically making a deal with the animal. They get shelter, security and guaranteed food. But in exchange you get to decide the terms at which they die later in life. Had they not your security than they would have just died from any sort of disease, predator, weather, etc.

>>15210141
Based