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Will these art series bottles ever be worth anything? I have a few unopened ones.

>>15120635
Just remember that talking about wine is haram here and this thread will very likely get deleted or worse.

>drinking lately
Latest bottle was a vin jaune. Super interesting style of wine that i really can't recommend enough if you want to try something different. Made in Jura in France, using a grape rarely used anywhere else (savagnin) and allowed to develop head space in the barrel which causes a 'skin' of yeast (voile) to develop. Really cool rich savory wine, and it can age an insanely long time. This one was only 2003 but the shop had a bottle from 1925.

>saving
I have a few bottles set aside for whenever people feel all right about gathering again. I miss putting on dinner parties and such. Hopefully it'll be eased up a little by winter solstice, we always have a big get-together then. Have a few bottles of 15+ year old nuits st georges, a jamet cote-rotie, a couple of different hermitages, a nice bottle of grand cru Zind Humbrecht riesling, brunello, vin jaune, some tokaji...

>which country do you think makes the best wine?
I think I'd have to say France, although there's stellar wines made all over the world.

>>15120710
tbf your thread sounded kinda baity.

Vin jaune kicks ass, cool to see that producers of Sherry are starting to make unfortified wines too. They're much cheaper than vin jaune too.

Also sweet lineup man, been wanting to try Jamet for a while. Never had aged Burgundy either.

>>15120635
Selene Beaujolais Nouveau 2020. It's alright.
No.
France, as a blanket statement.
>>15120661
>campo viejo
>worth anything
Not because of the art, it's a pedestrian wine that's not bad but not collectible. Just drink it.
>>15120710
also this

I bought some of this recently. It was pretty good.

>>15120945
Wasn't my thread, just an example. Usually they just get deleted.

Jamet wines are literally all great, including the less crazy ones. His Cotes du Rhone is awesome.

The best thing in the bunch is one of the bottles of Hermitage, a Jaboulet 'La Chappelle', but it probably needs like 8 more years to be at its best so I'm trying to be patient.

I do not like Veuve Clicquot.

What am I missing?

>>15121298
Nothing since you don't like it? Dumbass

A challenger appears.

What's everyones 2 buck chuck?

How do I get into white wine?
What kind of meals does it go with?

Picking up a bottle of wine for Thanksgiving. I just look for a bottle with a horse on it, because my mom likes horses.

>>15122254
chicken, light or cream pastas, fish. try a sauvingnon blanc

Alcohol is for the weak.

Does anyone on /wine/ know about Vinho Verde? It takes its name from using underripe grapes. Light, slightly sparkling white wine from the north of my country, Portugal. Pic related is my favorite, I love Avesso grapes.

>>15122478
yeah it had a mini-trend for a little while, maybe 10-15 years ago. then there was backlash, now people are getting over it and it's considered respectable again

>>15122478
Is this expensive? I'm looking for a good intro to white wine.

>>15120661
fucks no. Also Campo is pumped out like water. Just drink that shit or cook something with it.

>>15123454
Vinho Verde can be some of the cheapest shit in the store. And it tastes decent enough. Light, slight frizzante fizz and that comfy off dry finish.

good and cheap

>>15120635
Been really into wine this past year. I was always more into beer, I still buy it on occasion but most of the time I have been drinking wine. I mainly drink Italian wine, followed by US wine, followed by French. Bought a nice Burgundy for Thanksgiving alongside the obligatory and shit Beaujolais Nouveau for my family who doesn't drink nice things.

An interesting (to me) wine I bought recently was a K Vineyards Syrah. Apparently Washington State Syrah is really good apparently. I like French Syrah, so I though I expect the American version will be dialed to 11 but I actually love super over the top American wines like Orin Swift or whatever every once in a while so I am still excited.

what's a good wine that pairs with a glazed city ham?

Do Zinfandels age well? I have one from 2015, Fritz Underground Winery.

>>15124031
Generally no, and that's not a particularly good zinfandel to start with.

>>15122254
White wine imo has an even wider range of styles and flavours than red. It'll be all about trying to figure out what you like.

Super basic ideas:
>riesling: high acid, lean, mineral wine that can range from bone-dry to very sweet and can age a long time.
>gewurztraminer: very aromatic floral wine that is often a little off-dry
>sauvignon blanc: light wine with a lit of 'green' flavours
>pinot gris/grigio: medium-bodied wine that can vary radically with region and winemaking. The best imo is from Alsace.
>chenin blanc: richer, honeyed wines that can become really interesting with so.e age.
>marsanne: generally blended with roussanne in the northern rhone. Powerful, aromatic wines whose best examples are massive wines with great aging potential.
>viognier: highly aromatic but richer wines
>chardonnay: made in a variety of styles around the world, it ranges from highly mineral, steely wines to super-rich, buttery wines. Makes the most expensive white wines in the world (white burgundy).

Generally white wine is good with lighter/more delicate flavors. Chicken, fish, creamy sauces.

>>15124003
Charles Smith is a great producer. I recommend trying out DeLille Cellars Signature Syrah for another great washington syrah.

>>15124003
Spanish wine is great. You should try a nice rioja.

>>15124047
What's a good zinfandel? I have no clue what to expect when drinking one.

>>15124192
Ridge

>>15124174
>he thinks "roja" is a type of wine
anon. you know there's more than one type of red wine, right?

>>15124192
dry and fruity at teh same time. anything ancient vine has been good for me. Kirkland (costco) unironically has one of the best Zins in the country (hidden gem)

>>15125656
>rioja.
im retarded. sorry anon

>>15125659
"ancient vine" doesn't actually mean anything, and that's the problem with california in general. you can put what you want on the label and nobody is going to stop you because mcdonalds hot coffee memes have tricked the public into simping for companies that lie, to the point that it's now a matter of national pride to buy stuff with lies on the bottle, inb4 muh judgment of paris

What does /ck/ think of rosé? I picked up a bunch of bottles for cheap now that they're off season.

>>15125769
Like any other wine, it depends on which one you mean. 90% of reds bore me, 90% of whites bore me, and yes, 90% of roses bore me too. Unfortunately there isn't much rose at all, so the stuff that's worth drinking is rarer still.

>>15125769
I prefer natural meme wines that are in between rose and red. 99% of rosé is shit for women who like to drink pink wine, either tastes like vinegar or flat oversweet grape juice.

Here is what I'm drinking today. Nothing amazing but it's cheap and it'll do.

>>15120635
>he drinks wine

>>15125969
>$11 merlot
my man

>>15125680
This is one of the things that has been putting me off getting into American wines. I know there's some great stuff made there, but there's also a ton of overly manipulated nonsense and I don't really know how to tell them apart. It also seems like California in particular is massively overpriced compared to basically any old world country; I'm sure they make reasonably priced wine but maybe it's harder to find? I don't know.

>>15126109
you need deep pockets and time/autism to locate obscure hipster blogs and find someone trustworthy which isn't really worth it as far as I'm concerned. the vast majority of wine consoomers don't really like wine, they like the idea of "being into wine", and there's deep hostility to codifying and regulating labeling laws beyond having some really vague and loose rules to give off a veneer of respectability, so fraud and lies are rampant and people tend to rely on price as an indicator of quality more than europe, which means there's a dual incentive to conceal information and to mark up MSRP so that people are more inclined to give the brand the benefit of the doubt.

>>15126135
What a shit take. You sound schizophrenic.

>>15126157
He's not really wrong. His post is a word salad, but it boils down to "Hipsters don't know shit about wine. They think more expensive means better. Tread lightly. "

>>15126157
I look forward to the day when "schizophrenic" as a catch all for "I disagree with this post" gets wordfiltered like they did with soy and t b h and other low-IQ buzzwords

Considering the coming time of the year, do you guys do mulled wine/Glühwein/gløgg/glögg/whatever? I used to think it was 1) disgusting and 2) for philistines, but now I rather enjoy it and I realised it's never a matter of either/or, and not like I'm spending big bucks on the wine I use anyway. Plus I figured it didn't warrant its own thread.
R8 my recipe:
>take sugar (white, brown, cane, honey, whatever) and spices and basically what you're gonna flavour it with (I use all or a selection of cloves, nutmeg, cardamum, anis, cinnamon sticks, touch of cayenne, apples, oranges)
>add water, bring it to a boil, reduce as much as I can without burning without burning my shit (soda gets burnt syrup/caramel off nice and easy though)
>add wine and potentially extra liquor and heat slowly (I like mine high-proof so I'll often add something clear and tasteless first and then something tasty before serving (to me))
>strain if once in a blue moon I'm feeling fancy like
And a comfy clip on the side https://ascania-pack.com/assets/media/mulled-wine_largeThumb.jpg

>>15126503
Wanted to add: Regional trademarks are bullshit, people have been mulling their wine whenever and wherever wine was drunk, in many places it was probably the standard way to drink it for a long time. The same goes for wine in general and in principle. Fuck the French in particular.

>>15126297
That will never happen. There's too many actual schizoposters.

>>15126503
I think it's disgusting and for philistines. Makes me think of my smelly former roommate a total neckbeard who also liked mead and LOTR and bad tattoos. Mixing wine with chopped fruit and pouring it over ice in summer = good. Boiling wine with random spices in winter = puke.

>>15121322
For me its a 1.5L bottle of Yellowtail Shiraz-Cab

>>15120635
Someone post a good mulled wine recipe
I have a bottle of Shiraz ready to go

>>15120635
Will be drinking this with Thanksgiving dinner tonight.

I am not super familiar with tempranillo, but I'm hopeful that the notes of red fruit will pair nicely with the turkey and cranberry and elevate the meal accordingly.

>>15120635
A few years ago, a friend of my mother's opened up a shop where you can make your own wine, and she ended up making a few batches and gave me some of her (what was supposed to be) sauvignon blanc. Very sweet, almost dessert wine. Took the bottles I had left with me when I moved to the other side of the country, and decided to crack one open today, and to my surprise, had mellowed out and become pleasantly dry, slightly acidic, and almost peppery, while still retaining the notes of apricot it had.

That has to have been the most pretentious thing I've ever written.

>>15127453
Nothing pretentious about tasting notes, love.

Thanks for sharing.

Hey guys, I want to buy my girlfriend something for christmas. She loves wine and drinks it a lot. Would you guys recommend any accessories which improves drinking wine? I was looking at an aerator but it looks a lot like a meme to me.

Opened this a couple hours ago. Letting it warm up from cellar temperature and breath for a couple hours in a crystal pitcher.

>>15127588
Couldn't wait another minute. Poured some and it is absolutely exquisite.

I've been trying at least one bottle of white and one of red from each Italian region. Now I am drinking this pecorino from Abruzzo.Very fruity and flowery, the alcohol content is a bit too much for me (14%),

So far the best whites were malvasia from Friuli. and best reds various nebbiolo from Piemonte, and Montefalco Sagrantino.

>>15120635
Hello again, I've last visited these threads in last of August - early September. I'm the dude from Greece who wanted to make homemade wine for the first time.

Ive just opened my first bottle and it's just amazing. I must admit though that this result was from my second attempt.

In my first attempt to make it I left it to ferment for too long and it turned very sour, close to vinegar. I threw that away and thankfully my vines had a few grapes left and I tried for a second time after loads of research and contact with some old people in my village that have been making wine for years.

The second batch, around 30kgs, turned out to be amazing. I only had a few empty bottles laying around so I bought some of these boxes with the tap to store the rest, which turned out around 6 more boxes of 3-5kgs. I'm not sure if I can drink all of that before it turns bad so I have to gift/sell most of them, especially now at Christmas.

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone that helped me with tips in my last post, and I'm free to any and every question you might have. I'll post a pic if requested.

>>15121298
you miss being aborted in a Chinese latrine.

>therapist is requiring i stay sober and go to AA
>no pinot noir with my turkey
Bros the sober life sucks. Don't fall for this meme.

>>15127907
How do you make wine? I'm very interested and would like to know all the steps.

>>15129152
>red wine with poultry
I think you should listen to the shrink

>>15127852
if you like the high tannin and acid of nebbiolo and sagrantino give some good aglianico a try. the best examples are from taurasi and cilento in campania and mt vulture in basilicata

the best wines have serious structure, dark fruit and savouriness

>>15129322
>he doesn't drink burgundy with his fowl

>>15129196
It's a bit of a lengthy process but I'll try my best to briefly explain it.

First you get all your grapes from your vines, separate them from the stems and throw the stems away. Then you crush the grapes to bring out their juice, what most people used to do with their feet back in the day, I'm using a hand cranked machine so it's more clean. After that you store the crushed grapes with their juice in a barrel and leave it on the sun for a few days, occasionally stirring. Also it's important to not seal the barrel.

Some people add yeast to help the process of fermentation but you don't really need them since they are on the grapes themselves and in the air (as far as I know). Just put a filter (not sure the word in English) on top of the barrel so bugs and dirt don't get into your wine and leave the barrel open. Also quick side note, bees absolutely love grapes, I was swarmed in them in the whole process.

Now you have to stop the fermentation depending on how sweet your wine you want it to be. 2 days is usually good for a sweet wine but in my case I stopped it around a week in. You take out the grapes and filter the wine, and store it in a new barrel (preferably oak). Then you mix in a special powder (not sure of the word) which is basically ground up aspirin to stop the fermentation.

Then you seal the barrel for as much time as you want or you can bottle it right away. Of course let it sit for like a month or more before opening a bottle.

And then enjoy the fruits of your labor.
Now my way of doing it might be wrong according to some of you but that's how it's always been done with Xinomavro, and I'm free to hear out every opinion and criticism on this.

>>15125680
this isnt true
this is just some cunt from the finger lakes who got bent

>>15125680
and he posts a fucking Gallo
ffs

>>15125680
learn the terms, its literally illegal to say your wine comes from a certain AVA if you dont have a majority of your grapes from that AVA
daft cunt

>>15131377
>>15131381
>>15131389
>days go by
>out of nowhere, 3 butthurt posts in a row exactly 1 minute apart
I wonder if this could be a samefag

Male wine drinker here. It’s funny buying a good Bordeaux. I usually get asked who I’m buying it for, Wife? Mother? Sister? Surely it can’t be for yourself. Then when I tell it’s for me, I get a shocked look. They recover and decide to ‘play along’ with me. Then they start telling me lots of things I know I about wine.
It’s at this point, if I can be bothered, I go through their shelves and tell them all the ones I’ve tasted and why I like them or not. Which regions I prefer, big up Marlborough, and why I’m not a fan of Californian and 100% prefer Spanish.
Now is when I think they feel bad. Because they always offer me loads of samples. I can usually free taste like 4/5 different ones min on every visit.
Having said that met a really nice man last time through the airport who was giving out Schlumberger samples. We had a great chat. He was awesome.
Now girls at bars when you order a large white find you immediately intriguing. They watch you take a sip. I think they are waiting to see if you make a face. When you look pleased then they have their in to strike up a conversation.
I don’t know a lot of other male wine drinkers but I wish I did. I can only go on so many tasting sessions with girls.

>>15131623
You must live in Wyoming or Indiana or some place like that, where if you drink Wrongdrink you could easily be murdered for not conforming to arbitrary anglo gender rules

>>15131144
Interesting, xinomavro is one of my favorite grapes. Have you ever tasted kokkinos? How does the style compare to the wine you made?

>>15131623
Is this pasta?

>>15127034
>I prefer cow shit over sheep shit hurr hurr hurr

>>15132000
Do you not have preferences? Or are preferences only real if they agree with their own?

>>15121298
The knowledge that it's a barely half-decent champagne and you should get Moet & Chandon if you want a mass-market champ that doesn't suck miles of cock.

>>15129322
>knowing the babbypleb pairing rules and trying to use them to shit on advanced pairings that violate them
Go and stay go, Burgundy & Willamette P.N. are perfect for thanksgiving

>>15127532
Anyone? Would appreciate any advice.