/ck/ - Food & Cooking

meat from a human child, probably tastes like shit. human meat is very gamey like veal.

most seafood

>The birds are caught with nets set during their autumn migratory flight to Africa. They are then kept in covered cages or boxes. The birds react to the dark by gorging themselves on grain, usually millet seed, until they double their bulk. The birds are then thrown into a container of Armagnac, which both drowns and marinates the birds.

>The bird is roasted for eight minutes and then plucked. The consumer then places the bird feet first into their mouth while holding onto the bird's head. The ortolan is then eaten whole, with or without the head, and the consumer spits out the larger bones. The traditional way French gourmands eat ortolans is to cover their heads and face with a large napkin or towel while consuming the bird. The purpose of the towel is debated. Some claim it is to retain the maximum aroma with the flavour as they consume the entire bird at once, others have stated "Tradition dictates that this is to shield – from God’s eyes – the shame of such a decadent and disgraceful act", and others have suggested the towel hides the consumers spitting out bones. This use of the towel was begun by a priest, a friend of Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin.

palm oil gives me the most shame

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>>15011237
> human meat is very gamey like veal.
No it's not. Tastes like pork from pretty much every first hand account. It's called "long pig" in the pacific.

>>15011247
This.

Live octopus
American chicken from battery cages
Kosher meat

>>15011237
FPBP. Remember, this is why the ruling class steadfastly supports abortion.

>>15011255
>pork
Doubt it. We don't have nearly as much intramuscular fat. Also much redder meat. Even in relatively sedentary people, our muscles are worked more by virtue of longer fibrous structure. Lots of people say snake tastes like chicken, but that's bullshit, too.

>>15011234
likely something Chinese

>>15011288
Actual cannibals call human meat longpork
Those two euro tv idiots who cooked and ate a cube out of eachother's asses commented that it tasted like pork
That weirdo Japanese chef who cut his whole dick off and cooked it said it tasted like pork.

>>15011237
>gamey like veal
Where are you getting your veal? Are you torturing those poor baby cows to death?

>>15011295
>believing a bunch of fucked up nutjobs when even a much larger sample size of normies can't taste for shit
Objective taste is actually difficult to get right.

>>15011288
Humans and pigs have very similar diets and digestive systems though, to the point that feeding food waste to pigs has been an extremely common way to dispose of it for thousands of years, and still is today. That seems like it would have to influence taste.

>>15011247
Why?

>>15011238
Explain.

>>15011237
fucking tastelet
veal is, quite literally, designed to be the least gamey meat on the face of the fucking planet; the traditional “lock them in a cage so they can’t move” was created for that purpose
jesus, how do you even remember to breathe?

>>15011366
Fucks forests up. Alot.

>>15011372
you have literally never eaten veal in your life and you never will

>>15011366
Orangutan homes are being culled for said shit oil

>>15011238
This. Especially shrimp. Buying it is both unsustainable, and participating in slavery

>>15011234

The least ethical food is (You)s. This is because I fucking hate animals, like why do we have to worry about how they feel? We built them to be killed and eaten after all! Meat is murder - tasty murder! Vegans are fags and anyone who cares about anything but themselves is pathetic. I beat my wife and I LOVE veal.

>>15011366
probably one of the most unsustainable products. and the displacement affects orangutans among others, which is a shame because theres modern theory they were just about almost stone aged in our prehistory.

>>15011482
This but without baiting. I don't care how unintelligent an animal is, anything capable of a pain reaction needs to be given the baseline dignity of a quick death. Sorry if you think you have to eat a frog's beating heart to get your dick hard or whatever but that's the behavior or a subhuman savage. We know what pain is and how to avoid causing it to others needlessly.

There's a place in China that cooks eggs by boiling them in the urine of little boys. They'll just leave buckets out at schools and instead of going to a bathroom the boys will just piss in the buckets, out in the open. Once the buckets are full they take them back and use it for cooking.

>>15011237
>very gamey
>like veal.

>>15011234
Cannibalism is up there in "unethical", obviously. I also have a problem with foods made with slavery. Like chocolate. I also don't like foods where the animal is still alive or prepared in a way where it's suffering before I eat it. I get wanting "fresh", but come on...

>>15011601
It's one of the least defensible. It's used to make, what, microwave popcorn? No-stir peanut butter?

https://youtu.be/z3M2PKw3CFY
looks tasty tho

live monkey brains without a doubt.

>>15011242
Why are white people so savage? Not just ortolan, but veal, foie gras, lobster. Serious question, does anyone else have such a ghastly culinary tradition?

>>15011242
The method for eating them sounds kinda strange, but I don't see how this is unethical in any way that eating chicken isn't. Sitting in the dark, getting fat and drowning in booze is pretty much how I'm killing myself. It's not that bad compared to what a factory farm chicken goes through.

>>15011787
Used to be more common for people to believe that only humans could feel anything and that everything else was basically an unfeeling robot. Can still see some people who believe that today but it's becoming less common. There have been incidents in China within recent years where people think torturing an animal before killing it makes it taste better, so it's not specific to white people.

>>15011787
If you look at chinese cuisine you’ll see what ghastly actually means you retarded brownoid

>>15011709
women like to rub it on their skin

>>15011873
>Sure we torture animals to death for fun, but the Chinese do it to so it's okay

>>15011380
You've never had veal, or you have no idea what gamey means.

>>15011633
I don't think Cannibalism is unethical in the least if someone agrees to be eaten after they die.

>>15011247
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>>15011601
It's not the culinary use that is the problem here, the problem is the manufacture of "biodiesel" to "save the planet" from fossil fuels.

>>15011916
I think most Western countries don't allow that stuff anymore. Ortolan isn't legally allowed to be hunted in France. China is starting to move away from some of the shit they've been doing, but it still happens there and I'm not sure if it's considered illegal yet. But you can still see in Japan they're cutting up fish while it's still alive, Koreans eating live squid and laughing as it struggles, etc. Those things don't really happen in Western countries these days, people generally want animals treated well while alive and killed as quickly and painlessly as possible.

>>15011787
>lobster
? do you mean people who just boil it alive? you can kill the lobster easily by just stabbing it through the head.
>foie gras
can be and is raised sustainably and without cruelty. you dont have to "force feed" ducks to get foie gras.
>veal
dunno why we mass produce it, but if youre a farmer who raises cows then its your right to kill a baby cow for veal if you want.

>>15011482
Sea urchins don't have brains

>>15011917
Veal from domesticated cows is not gamey. How can it be gamey when they're still suckling?

>>15011921
With that logic, you'd think there'd be BBQ Buffets at the funeral homes more often...

>>15011959
Who wants to eat old people?

>>15011923
a lot is consumed in the form of mass produced junk food
nutella and oreos come to mind and i know there's a lot more

>>15011968
Macron

>>15011769
ikizukuri the animal is prepared alive, but they generally die pretty fast and the movements are just nerve reactions post death

>>15011234
omg real life Gudetama

>>15011237
It is actually the most ethical as we can use it to stop the poor problem and the hunger problem by feeding poor kids to the rest of the poor people.

>>15011977
honhonhon

>>15011977
Turkroach detected

Commercially viable product? Probably veal. According to several movies I've seen, babies taste better than fully formed adult, so probably infant human meat IRL. Octopus is a close third, but I do still eat it because I have the moral compass of a sea urchin.

>>15011482
Stop trying to make this gay meme a thing.

>>15011915
I've got some palm oil for them.

foie gras: the poultry are tortured for months by stuffing them with corn, to such an extent that their liver becomes ill.

>>15011787
You would know that whites are the most empathetic toward animals if you did even a minuscule amount of research into animal treatment the Middle East, Africa, and Asia.

>>15012010
they're not tortured necessarily
bird anatomy is very different to human anatomy and birds will willing accept gavage

>>15012012
>You would know that whites are the most empathetic toward animals if you did even a minuscule amount of research into animal treatment the Middle East, Africa, and Asia.
kek no The factories and breeding conditions are incredibly terrible, not to mention the abatement, only the Chinese are worse.

>>15012018
>they're not tortured necessarily
>bird anatomy is very different to human anatomy and birds will willing accept gavage
French fags here, you wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9JR_IqRVlM&ab_channel=L214%C3%A9thiqueetanimaux

>>15011787
In Africa they eat freshly killed raw humans.

I'd like to reject and make all of these types of food illegal or at the very least shamed and stuff, but I'd want to try most of them at least once first.

>>15012030
i said it's not *necessarily* cruel for a reason
of course anything involving the living can be done cruelly

>>15011969
But that's not the problem, anon. Palm oil have been consumed for a long time, but it's in this millenia that palm oil production has gone up a lot because of demand for bio fuel.

Culinary use get's blamed for something caused by "climate policy measures".

>>15012054
show me a non cruel way of getting authentic foie gras then

>>15012068
i don't feel like sifting though propaganda today

>>15011979
>they generally die pretty fast and the movements are just nerve reactions post death
Yeah but it's still unnecessary stress inflicted on the fish instead of just killing it first.

>>15012024
>The factories
That's not done for pleasure like some other things that people do, and most people want factory farming to eventually be phased out. More people are starting to buy from local farms instead of they can afford it and people want lab-grown meat so nothing has to be killed at all for it.

>>15011769
my friend is a vet and she told me when she euthanizes someone's pet she has to covertly touch the eyeball to know for sure the animal actually died

>>15011237
>meat from a human child, probably tastes like shit.
You have to spank the meat to get it tender.

>>15012101
Is she cute?

>>15012097
And so? That does not explain your comment, we are talking about the worst ethnic groups with animals not why, everyone has a good explanation in these cases.

>>15011234
Sloppa wit da deenz.

>>15011234
vegetable oil

>>15012141
Albert Fish typed this post

I stopped buying anything with palm oil.

>>15011234
>unethical food?
no such thing

>>15012419
chink chong fu lee ?

>>15012396
That guy was a real jerk

>>15011234
ortolan and those animals chinks eat alive

>>15011372
In >>15011380
Retard

>>15011234
Foie gras and shark fin soup. I don't think there's any other common cuisine eaten in the first world that's as cruel as these two. (Shark fin soup obviously originates in China but is eaten as a status symbol outside of it in Chinese restaurants around the world, whereas live monkey brain isn't)

Foie gras is pretty fucked up on an individual level.

>>15011247
ORANGE MAN SAD!

I ate a bunch on endangered animals in strange places.
half the time it was a regional delicacy, the other half of the time it was just free meat.
Globohomo always goes on about endangered animals, but the underlying belief is that THEY or a vague undefined group of people that includes YOU heroic activist actually has any claim on the animals on someone else's land.

Most people see the animals in their lands as their animals, and their right to deplete in order to sustain their families.
They will be quick to tell you that the issue is that outside powers keep taking their land, so the ratio of natives/animals is unsustainable.
THEY have not overpopulated rural areas, it's city faggots who have overpopulated and bought up rural land

>>15013176
here's your (You) bro

clearly ur trying to bait people into an argument for attention

>>15013596
Clearly the whole thread is bait

for those interested in palm oil, check out this doc
it's one of my all-time favorite pieces of film
there is no dialogue, which I like a lot
plus it isn't too long
it is a good watch, i recommend
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/green-death-forests/

Hitler was right about wanting to push vegetarianism for the continent. Eating meat is healthy but to make meat so widely available and cheap , it’s wrong. People should be free to consume foods of their choice but at the same time the industries shouldn’t be subsidized. There’s no good reason for plebs to subsist off beef when they could do just as well on beyond meat— I’m talking about your average midwit chud that has nothing greater to offer to the world and who will have middling or bad health anyways. The warrior class for sure should have meat though, but they don’t really exist as a cohesive whole. Zogbots and operator attack dogs of the jewish oligarchs and satanists don’t count

>>15013629
quick rundown?

>>15013631
>being edgy and also shilling beyond meat
kys

>>15013638
>pristine forest
>monke
>humans arrive
>rape forest
>monke sad
it is a pretty simple story, but it has nice juxtapositions

>>15011470
That's complete bullshit unless you're getting it from some third world country.

>>15013644
i know the palm oil/orangutan situation is there any interesting viewpoint? or is it just for people who don't know

>>15013667
I guess it's just a way of illustrating the matter. Probably more introductory than anything else. Kind of just classic "humans are parasites" type cinematography. Nonetheless, I like it and think it does a good job.

>>15012068
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/08/01/487088946/this-spanish-farm-makes-foie-gras-without-force-feeding

Literally 5 seconds on google

>>15013655
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shrimp-sold-at-walmart-costco-tied-to-slave-labor/

>>15013690
>authentic foie gras

>>15011993
The dude's step daughter was in his class. At least be honest and admit that he made a good joke.

>>15013723
>I know I asked for an example of how it can be done cruelty-free but I refuse to accept any examples that are cruelty-free because they only cruelty is authentic
That's your problem I guess.

>>15013695
>buying shrimp from a third world country
It's almost like I pointed that out already. There's nothing wrong with buying shrimp from domestic American fisheries, many of which have some of the best sustainability practices in the world.

>>15013807
i'm not the person you were replying to I'm just pointing out they specifically mentioned "authentic foie gras" for this reason, because you can make similiar things but it's not real foie gras

>>15011237
Babies taste best.

>>15013824
So farm raised, and from the US
That's it. Wild caught shrimp is unsustainable due to the by-catch

>>15013832
That's because the legal definition of foie gras requires force feeding, which turns it into a semantic argument if one can create a product otherwise identical to foie gras without force feeding.

>>15014630

Farm raised tastes like shite. Flavorless.

>>15014652
Yes exactly.

>>15012024
only African shitholes do not have factory tier farming and they're starving to death. Unless animals are more important than humans, there is nothing wrong with factory food, you retard.

>>15014681
How is tricking the birds into believing it's migratory season to provoke their gorging instincts not forced-feeding?

>>15014707
Compulsion is not force.

>>15014721
They literally cannot disobey their nature, which you are manipulating by confinement.

>>15011234
No mention of caviar?
>endangered fish
>takes many years for a fish to reach maturity
>harvest often kills fish
>harvest means all those future fishlets go into cans instead of growing up to make more fish
>negligible nutrition
>woefully short shelf life

Don't get me wrong, it's tasty, but pretty thoroughly unsustainable

>>15011237
>probably tastes like shit
Albert Fish disagrees.
> I came home with my meat. I had the front of his body I liked best. His monkey and pee wees and a nice little fat behind to roast in the oven and eat. I made a stew out of his ears -- nose -- pieces of his face and belly. I put onions, carrots, turnips, celery, salt and pepper. It was good.
>Then I split the cheeks of his behind open, cut off his monkey and pee wees and washed them first. I put strips of bacon on each cheek of his behind and put them in the oven. Then I picked 4 onions and when the meat had roasted about 1/4 hour, I poured about a pint of water over it for gravy and put in the onions. At frequent intervals I basted his behind with a wooden spoon. So the meat would be nice and juicy.
>In about 2 hours, it was nice and brown, cooked through.
>I never ate any roast turkey that tasted half as good as his sweet fat little behind did. I ate every bit of the meat in about four days. His little monkey was a sweet as a nut, but his pee-wees I could not chew. Threw them in the toilet."

>>15011787
All of that is Roman heritage. All of those dishes descend straight from ancient Rome (shame we don't eat dormice anymore desu). Meds are inherently savage degenerates that happen to be extremely good at civilization building.

>>15011265
>Kosher meat
You surely mean halal

>>15014769
more like ROEfully short shelf life XD

>>15014691
Are you stupid or only a burger? Did you understand the conversation or not? Don't show the other how stupid you can be.

>>15011282
OK retard

>>15011234
Any animal product

>>15011326
if its so difficult, why do they all agree?

>>15012141
>>15012396
>"Several times every day and night he spanked them — tortured them — to make their meat good and tender. First he killed the 11 year old boy, because he had the fattest ass and of course the most meat on it. Every part of his body was cooked and eaten except the head—bones and guts. He was roasted in the oven (all of his ass), boiled, broiled, fried and stewed. The little boy was next, went the same way. At that time, I was living at 409 E 100 St. near—right side. He told me so often how good human flesh was I made up my mind to taste it."

>>15011237
I'm guessing you probably meant venison instead of veal, either way you're fucking retarded.

>>15011247
that's a very upsetting picture anon

>>15011237
keep it up with the mensa posts anon, holy fuck

>>15011247
>dude weed lol.
lol fucking stoner apes

>>15012411
cute ape boys. Ranga's seem more chilled out than gorillas and chimps.

>>15011237
>gamey like veal
Yeah I hate how G A M E Y young beef is.

>>15011234
Soy

>>15014808
Beat me to it.

>>15011288

I don't know about snake, but I've had grilled alligator and crocodile. Both taste like chicken, except the texture is very different (more rubbery/chewy, in a disconcerting way)

>>15011234
I don't know but I want some.

>>15011234
something that involves human suffering, so i guess any kind of factory farming because it has drainage cesspools that start causing cancer/illness/disease in the local populations
maybe something using literal slave labor like herbs/spices from china

>>15011234
I don't think that one or the other is necessarily worse when globally the whole of food production is unethical from slave labor to horrible conditions. People that work in slaughter houses end up with PTSD and severe depression and anger issues. Farmers are given subsidies to grow food that's left to rot. We throw away food if there's a single hitch in the logistics chain simply because no one will pick up the tab for fuel or storage. We waste over a third of all food and there's very little in terms of upcycling or getting it to people who need it. We are completely dependent on chemical fertilizers that have wrecked the environment and destroy the oceans and are rapidly running out of phosphorus that will cause inevitable famine. We have completely wrecked the oceans and viable fish stocks with the most popular due for mass extinction this century. As a whole the human condition of consuming everything in it's path while doing little to nothing to preserve ecology and a sense of being part of the world instead of above it will be our undoing.

>>15016887
False equivalence ad infinitum.

>>15016894
And yet you can't disprove a single statement. It does make me happy knowing that most of the people reading this will have their children or grandchildren face horror.

>>15016887
Why should I care as long as I get a cheap supply of never ending cheeseburgers?

>>15016979
Because infinite growth is a fallacy and you're ensuring that the monkey race will be severely diminished if not eliminated.

Caviar, it's being farmed more and more but its continued popularity only hurts stocks of fish species that cannot sustain commercial harvest.

>>15016887
>We are completely dependent on chemical fertilizers that have wrecked the environment and destroy the oceans and are rapidly running out of phosphorus that will cause inevitable famine.

Natural fertilizer isn't any better. Before chemical fertilizer was invented, we were wholly dependent on guano. Entire nations were subjugated just so we could use them as resupply points in our quest to find random piles of birdshit out in the oceans.

>>15017007
You're right the only way forward is intensive agriculture that can preserve and slowly improve soils but that's not an economically attractive model and by the time nations start making it a mandate it will be too late.

Rice. Imagine eating a thousand rice animals plus the millions of organisms killed in its production instead of one chicken with a birdbrain?

>>15017020
>Only an all powerful fascocommunist government can force us to do what's right

>>15017031
Nah that doesn't work because of the inherent greed and flaws in the human condition. My dim hope is whatever remains of humanity after the resource wars coming this century decides that it's in their best interest to maintain a balanced population and not repeat prior mistakes.

>>15017042
Haha you are a malthusian who thinks we will run out of resources, you are dumb and economically illiterate like all commie losers

bump

>>15011930
being legally able to do something doesn't make it ethical

>>15014762
You could say the same of humans

>>15011237
>Gamey
>Like veal.

Have you had food?

May I interest you in some veal?

>>15019351
Delicious

>>15011242
>And author and TV personality Anthony Bourdain describes his own ortolan experience in his 2010 book “Medium Raw.” The bird, smuggled into New York, was served at a private dinner.

>“I bring my molars down and through my bird’s rib cage with a wet crunch and am rewarded with a scalding hot rush of burning fat and guts down my throat. Rarely have pain and delight combined so well. I’m giddily uncomfortable, breathing in short, controlled gasps as I continue slowly – ever so slowly – to chew. With every bite, as the thin bones and layers of fat, meat, skin, and organs compact in on themselves, there are sublime dribbles of varied and wondrous ancient flavors: figs, Armagnac, dark flesh slightly infused with the salty taste of my own blood as my mouth is pricked by the sharp bones. As I swallow, I draw in the head and beak, which, until now, have been hanging from my lips, and blithely crush the skull.”

Am I crazy or is this kind of erotic?

>>15019614
It sounds disgusting.

>>15019614
>Am I crazy or is this kind of erotic?
Yes it's not that uncommon for people to try to make food seem sexual.

>>15019820
It does. Why would you want to eat something that's cutting up your mouth? Just seems like something people eat to get some kind of rush.