/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>14695697
Using smart phones built by Children in the third world is immoral. Don't see Vegans putting their Iphones down.

>>14695697
nothing matters do whatever you feel like doing.

>>14695697
It doesn't matter whether it's moral or not.

Meat tastes good, that's all that matters.

>>14695697
Listen well child:Food is not only nutritional sustenance it is also a morale boost. So think about generally who allows themselves to be happier and those that almost certainly are determined to make the old saying Misery Loves Company apply to all.

>>14695697
Going to the altruism levels of protecting animal lives before your own is basically mental illness. The world is still eat or be eaten whether we like that or not. Farms are pretty ethical nowadays considering the demands for meat but there's nothing stopping you from eating less of it if that makes you feel bad, just don't be a faggot about it.

>>14695697
whatever you want to do, it’s your choice. there’s no recipe really

>>14695697
>They're fucking chickens.

>>14695697
No and no. Eating other animals is what some animals do. Humans are ominvorous animals. Some animals are carnivorous. It is just a fact of life that in order to be healthy, humans must get at least some of their nutrition from animal sources. Wasting food is immoral. Killing without necessity is immoral. Vegans and trolls need not reply to this post.

>>14695790
You have to be 18+ to use this site.

>>14695697
>hey /ck/ are vegans right?
No
>is eating meat immoral?
Depends
>do chicken lives matter?
In what context?

It all depends on what your worldview is. If you’re religious, it depnds on what your holy book says. If you’re not, it boiks down to whatever is social acceptable. If you weren’t such a cuck, you’d set your own values.

>>14695697
I don't think it's immoral right now because we do need some meat in our diets to be at optimal health. You can survive without meat but you thrive more with some. I think it's a good idea to not eat meat unless you feel like your body really needs it though, it shouldn't be something that you mindlessly eat just because it's there and you think it tastes good. If lab-grown meat ever becomes identical to the real thing then I think eating meat from a slaughtered animal would be immoral though, if there's no difference then there's no reason to kill for it.

The problem i have with it is people pay others to treat animals in a way they could never do themselves. I have some respect for people who raise and slaughter their own animals because at least they are doing the dirty work. Bit most people are willfully ignorant about how animals are treated in highly industrialised farming

>>14695697
veganism is what happens when retarded people stop going to church
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5qNXteTZA

>>14695697
Serial killers don't want to give up murder either.

>>14697368
>person talks about how they need to eat meat all the time
>if you talk about animal slaughter they start freaking out
I hate that. I understand that not everyone can raise and slaughter their own animals but if they hide away from it and never learn to really appreciate it that just makes it so much worse.

>>14695697
>hey /ck/ are vegans right?
Yes
>is eating meat immoral?
No
>do chicken lives matter?
No

>>14695697
no
/thread

>>14695713
At least they have jobs.

>>14695697
Vegans and vegetarians are literally mentally ill.

To think a CHICKEN or a cow have the same right to "happiness" as a human being is a clear sign of sociopathy, to say the very least, and of extremely low self-esteem, for sure.

Don't trust these people.

They think your life and the life of your children is as valuable as the life of a dog or a cat.

Also, don't trust people who act like their pets are their children. They, too, are mentally unstable.

There's nothing wrong with being mentally ill or unstable, so long as you seek help. These people don't think they have a problem, though.

>>14698875
>CHICKEN or a cow have the same right to "happiness"
Chickens really can live without a head. They probably don't even know they are alive. A pig will eat you if you fall down in front of one and turn wild if let go. I saw some caffs running around and playing with each other and that did make me feel a little guilty. But then I had fajitas the next night.

The animals are dead anyway nigga might as well make their death mean something. And I don't give a shit about living longer, and I'm not willing to look like a fucking ghoul to do so either.

>>14698875
Killing animals is a sign of psychopathy

>>14695697
If you dont eat them they wouldnt be alive, cozy eating nice food, sheltered, less or no parasites or other inconveniences like predators etc.

>>14698901
Sure, they play, they are alive and so on, but ultimately they are food for us.

>>14695697
in a sociopathic sense, you could say that 'being tasty to humans' is the greatest evolutionary trait that an animal could develop, as human cultivation of edible livestock has led to there being billions more cattle, chicken, and hogs than wild natural selection would have otherwise permitted.

but you could very easily make the case that this system has prioritized production-efficiency over animal-welfare to an extent that is immoral. the fact that they're being bred-for-the-edible-byproduct-of-their-death is something that could be value-neutral, depending on the quality of life the animals had in the interim. I'm not an agricultural student, I don't really know. But I've known people who have a bone-to-pick (teehee) with modern factory-farm practices who don't abstain from the meat in itself, just the products of that massproduction system. They'd eat chickens and eggs they raised themselves, but not Perdue/Tyson/etc. stuff, or some people I've known to believe that hogs and cattle are treated sufficiently humanely to justify their consumption, but abstain from poultry as they believe standard chickenfarming practices to be unjustifiably inhumane.

I don't think an animal's death for the sake of human consumption is inherently immoral, but that doesn't necessarily mean that society has organized to provide this commodity in a moral way.

>>14695697
vegans murder babies through malnutrition, they deserve the death penalty

>>14695697
Other animals eat meat, why shouldn't humans? Vegans are mentally ill.

>>14697368
Who fucking cares. We can't change it.

>>14695697

Vegans are never right, about anything. It takes wealth and privilege to even get close to a vegan lifestyle, much less to do so out of some misguided sense of morality. Nature doesn't give a fuck about morality; creatures adapted to eat meat do so, creatures that aren't don't. Simple as that.

> is eating meat immoral?

Is killing a man that is about to murder you or someone you care about immoral? In this case, "morality" is merely how society will judge you, rather than the overall benefit to your well-being or survival. That is not morality to begin with. Morality is about conducting oneself in the manner it takes to survive and prosper, not about the judgement of others.

>do chicken lives matter?

They are specifically farmed to be eaten. That is why they exist to begin with. Wild chickens of the past did not reach the size they do today and eating a chicken back in the old days was considered a matter of decadence because chickens could lay eggs and produce more food than if the animal was just slaughtered for its meat. Had we not engineered them to be big and have extra layers of fat, chicken wouldn't be the "cheap" meat it is today.

Same with cows, which were selectively bred from the Aurochs to be more docile and produce more milk for human consumption. Aurochs were wild and vicious back in the day and required the whole tribe to hunt down one of them. There is a reason the bull horns were considered a symbol of power and prestige in the Bronze Age; going out to hunt one meant someone in your tribe would die, as a given.

tl;dr Vegans are retarded, don't listen to them for any kind of advice. We clawed our way to the top of the food chain, so we should eat like it. Let the rejects not eat real food if it makes them feel better about things they don't understand.

Pic related; size comparison of an Aurochs to humans.

>>14699415
Other animals rip their prey to shreds before eating.

Muh industry

Chickens are assholes, if you knew one, you would kill it. And if you killed it you would eat it as to not waste the meat.

Chicken is good for eating they are not your friends. They would peck your baby's eyes out if given the chance.

>>14699435
weak man, weak mind.

>>14699444
And so do humans, we just have tools for that. We don't need claws and fangs, we have superior methods.

We are animals still, and nutritionally dependent on animal foods for optimum health. Doesn't matter if you don't like it, that's how your biology is wired.

>>14699142

Killing animals is a sign of psychopathy yes, but psychopathy was required back in the old days. A man who couldn't kill an animal to feed his people couldn't be expected to kill a man who is threatening the safety and welfare of his tribe. This is why it was mandatory that men learned to hunt, even once we had developed cities and social structures to render "hunting" moot. It was also a sure sign that man was a gigantic pussy if he didn't have the stomach for hunting.

At least back in the day hunting had a necessary purpose. Yes it's "evil" in the sense that it requires a human to turn on their primal instincts but, it's still necessary for our survival, just as much today as back then. The obvious problem lies in when an individual can't turn it off and predates on his own kind.

It's one of the reasons the current generation of men are gigantic faggots, they've never had to deal death nor take the responsibility of taking that life. You go out, you kill an animal and then you bring it home to feed your loved ones. Controlled, purposeful violence is required for survival and leaving that instinct un-exercised is guaranteed to create a worthless male. You can literally look into the eyes of some of these faggots and see that they've never taken a life before in their lives.

>>14695697
As a species we just acquired the taste for meat when we realised it is a high source of what we need to live.

We've hunted and killed animals for food for a long time.
Survival of the fittest.

We have evolved to the point where we are breeding these animals for the sole purpose of being killed for food.
People see that as immoral, but at the end of the day we farm them because if we didn't they would be extinct.

We have genetically modified the animals we farms to be the best sources of meat they can be.
That would be more immoral than the killing for food.
What do people expect? We breed them, let them roam around and then hunt them with arrows and tomahawks? That's just a low tech free range farm.

The only immoral thing about the whole process is HOW some places kill their stock.
I agree, that is something we should be working towards improving. Not just shutting down the whole industry and removing a very valuable source of food.

There are soon to be other sources of meat like crickets as they are higher in protein than cows per weight. But that's somehow less immoral? Turning a slaughter of hundreds of thousands a day into literal billions?

>>14698875

>>14698848
is it our duty to give a shit?

>>14698875
Holy based!

>>14695697
Meat is actually bad for you physically. Leads to heart attacks and high blood pressure and shit. I still eat it cuz it's fucking tasty, wish I could be vegan. Read the China study.

>>14698875
>To think a CHICKEN or a cow have the same right to "happiness" as a human being is a clear sign of sociopathy, to say the very least, and of extremely low self-esteem, for sure.
I think it's more that they don't enjoy having to inflict death on something. I know it's almost unavoidable and it's a natural part of life and etc. but that doesn't mean it's a good thing.

>>14698875
*shots fired*

>>14699186
I already conceded that I still eat it. But if I were in some magical situation where I had to pick one meat to be removed from our diet cows probably would be the most ethical choice, and best for the environment on top of that. On top of that beef is getting so expensive I already hardly buy it.

>>14699892
Obesity, processed food, smoking, and alcoholism are the major factors in heart attacks, high blood pressure, and other prevalent modern diseases. Processed meat has been shown to slightly increase your risk of colon cancer, but fresh meat is only classified as "probably" a carcinogen. More scientific sources are recommending that animal protein be included in balanced diets for optimal nutrition because it provides things you can't get easily from plants.

>>14695697
Just do 1-2 days a week of no meat. If you feel better increase it however much you want. If not then fuck it. It isn't immoral either. Animals dont have souls.

>>14699926
I actually do 1 or 2 meals max with meat, rest of the time I'll just have cheese or eggs instead. If I eat meat more than twice in a week it almost starts becoming nauseating to me.

>>14695697
I feel bad eating meat because the animals are killed in very cruel ways. For some reason though, I don't feel empathy for fish and I enjoy eating them.
Do what your heart tells you anon. If eating meat makes you feel bad then stop, but always follow your heart

>>14695697
Veganism and even vegetarianism would require immensely larger swathes of land to be converted into farmland, and while many people on here will complain that tons of farmland currently is used to feed cattle, I am not necessarily arguing for cattle farming. Sustainable chicken farming in the average backyard is easily possible, and the manure can be used to farm other vegetables and fruits. The current system of insanely large cattle farms fueled by even larger grain farms is ridiculous when any normal field can be used for cattle farms. Alas, the US has had huge ecosystems teeming with water and living plants destroyed by dams, farming projects, and other retarded ideas that came long before this generation (see central California, Midwest and central US).
All that being said, any conventional field full of native plants and animals would have to be utterly removed to make way for fruit/vegetable farms, and this simply isn’t necessary with local animal farms. Obviously it’s regional, but the amount of land vegetarians and vegans would see plowed in the name of “saving the animals” would surely destroy much more wildlife habitat than they would like to believe. Not only this, but vegetarians/vegans typically eat processed foods, and all processed foods require factories which require more habitat destruction and more pollution. It’s clear that there’s a balance needed between nutrient dense foods that can feed the population (meat and dairy) and sustainable foods (fruits/veggies/grains/legumes), but for the most part everyone is so polarized they’re too stupid to understand any of this.

>>14697191
based and omnivorepilled

most of the arguments made in this thread can also be used for bestiality

>>14695697
It's immoral to displace animals and destroy habitat for fields as well.
It's all immoral, if you consider continuing to live to be immoral. Anyone who believes that a person choosing to continue to live is immoral is either a fucking idiot that hasn't thought about what their beliefs imply before adopting them, or unironically holds the death of all humans as the ultimate good - since living is immoral, the most moral thing is to stop all people from living.
Not sure about you but I am ok with ignoring both

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRZbch9NmQQ
long version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDxthsz9G7s

>>14700349
Bestiality provides no value to human society beyond getting a dude off and has the objective downside of contributing to zoonosis. Veganshits live in a delusional paradise where they can't comprehend the sheer damage to the human economy banning animal-derived products would do, rely on specious appeals to future reinventions of the wheel in order to comprehend a world without animal products, and ultimately submit to a totalitarian-esque state control of human productivity and livelihoods by the process of their quest for morality. Questions of what happens to the land stripped from farmers and ranchers without a totalitarian state to control its usage and productive modes are left unanswered by vegans every single time.

Vegans want an even more controlled command economy than North Korea. They directly believe that plunging billions of humans into utter suffering for centuries is worth the price of not having a precious cow be slaughtered.

>>14698875
Dangerously based.

>>14699491
>>14698875
.>flip flops from "veganism is a clear sign of sociopathy" to "sociopathy was necessary yadda yadda ancient times I've never put research into yadda"
Not a vegan, but you're retarded.

>>14697203
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>>14699480
based

Chicken lives don't matter. Next!

>>14697368
humans are meat eaters and i dont have room, time, or money to raise a bunch of cows and chickens so suck it up

>>14695697
look at the typical vegan and ask yourself if that sort of person is who you look up to spiritually and morally

>>14697191
It's just a fact of life that you're a doofus. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/

>>14698875

>>14695697
No, man has dominion over the animals. That said, factory-farmed meat is immoral as all fuck, and you should get in touch with a farm-to-table service to get yourself meat that's more humanely raised and more painlessly killed.

>>14700731
The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics is in bed with almost every global food corporation. Almost every global food corporation specializes in monoculture corn and soy farming, and has a tremendous amount to gain by the removal of pasture land from the food production equation.
My little vegan can't possibly be this much of a fucking stupid corporate shill.

>>14698875
I am a slave to my pet mouse, but I treat him like a mouse, not a human.

>>14697203
He’s right though

>>14700850
i raise and kill my own animals. :3 I love it. Way better than cardboard cafo meat.

>>14695697
If you look at the depth of it you would understand but it's a secret understanding only Vegans have

>>14695697
a question in return for you:

As a human being, your body has been optimized by evolution to be omnivorous. The reason we have such a big brain in relation to our bodies is because our ancestors ate meat. You were designed to eat it, no matter how morally offensive that might seem. Now consider: Given that your body is adapted and organized around meat as part of your diet, Is it immoral to deprive you, an animal, of your natural diet? Is that a form of animal abuse?

Please give context to your reasoning for your answer.

>>14698875
I think of my dog as my boyfriend

>>14695697
>hey /ck/ are vegans right?
No, they're faggots.
>is eating meat immoral?
No, it's natural and healthy.
>do chicken lives matter?
Sure but my respect for a chicken's life is less powerful than my desire to eat them.

>>14697368
Most people would come to terms with slaughtering animals if it became necessary for whatever reason.
People pay other people to do it because it's efficient.

>>14695697
What a sad little man. Grow the fuck up, pussy

>>14703313
you just know

I eat whatever food makes me happy. It might be meat. It might be vegetables. It just doesn't matter.

Setting out to be a vegetarian or vegan or whatever always strikes me as being stupid.

a cows life has as much value as any other animal that feels pain, sentience is irrelevant

>>14698875
>cares for something other than self
"sociopath"
>assumes humans are somehow distinct and inherently better" than other bags of carbon and water
"not a sociopath"

are you retarded?

>>14707122
i mean humans are apex predators we are inherently better than other animals

>>14695697
I'm a vegan for moral reasons but I still have cheat days at least once a week where I eat meat and dairy products for my health. I can't go back in the past to undo eating meat with magic or a time machine so it doesn't matter if I eat meat once in a while because all vegans have eaten meat at one point in their lives.

My chickens are too retarded to live without me. They give me eggs and their meat, and I give them a safe and happy life until I kill them. They have traded dangerous freedom for peaceful slavery and they deserve what they get.

>>14707122
>bags of carbon and water
A healthy mind does not reduce human beings to their material components. You are broken, and I hope for your sake that you can be fixed and do not need to be discarded.

>>14707987
There are no moral reasons unless you can only afford animal products from terribly kept animals, in which case you probably deserve having to be vegan for being such a poorfag.