/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Foodbanks and charities can't actually use them. They do not have the means to store the sheer amount of surplus product, nor do they have the facilities to process it into something more shelf stable.

>>14272919
Food banks and charities can not accept unprocessed foods for health safety reasons.

because the system is broken. We'll look back on this in history and regret it so much. Especially if the economy crashes.

Same thing for the dairy farmers who are spilling perfectly good milk. Make fucking cheese with it and preserve it for later!

>>14272926
why would we or anyone care about uneaten squashes from decades ago?

>>14272926
They can't process it because of the shortage of labor from the covid meme.

That's as stupid as environmentalists driving 15 miles in the SUV to recycle their fiji water bottles.

>>14272919
Because taking tons of produce from the middle of nowhere into post apocalyptic newyork is expensive as shit and throwing it to the ground is free
Why isn't the local government buying this produce at a discount price and giving it to poor people?
Oh right, because government is retarded and serves no actual purpose beyond telling people what they are allowed to say on twitter

>>14272987
Have you seen how fat poor people are? The last thing they need is more food

because farmers are businessmen looking to make money, and destroying surplus => less supply => higher prices

>>14272919
as someone who volunteered at a food bank: A larrge number of our "customers" would be unable to do something with unprocessed food. TV meals, canned goods and stuff that could be eaten raw or put on a sandwich was grabbed as quickly as possible. But a sack of 'taters, rice, flour or meat that needs to be cooked/grilled would go bad before someone takes it.

I blame lack of education and willpower to make something. In some very rare cases even lack of pots, pans and ovens.

>>14272919
Because donating it costs money plowing it back into the field is almost free compared to the cost of donating it. The farmers have no money so how tf do you propose they donate it.

>>14272987
>>14272987
also depending on the farmer, throwing stuff out is actually not that big of a loss. You can use a lot of stuff as food for animals, fertilizer or use it for biogas and thus energy production.

>>14273035
maybe your dumbasses should have strung together the two sentences of instructions on how to boil a potato for the poor untermensch

>>14273033
Based and cartel pilled

>>14272987
Based, fuck the government

Of course its another lowkey /pol/ incel thread

have sex you racists retards

>>14273054
time spend explaining a stupid person how to boil stuff is time not spend handing out food. Still most of our consumers where unwilling to even try so not having the time for it was mostly irrelevant.

>>14273135
this , they need to delete the polboard

>>14272926
>>14272960
>>14272987
>>14273033
People who have never volunteered at food kitchens or church shelters

>>14273028
God forbid they get milk and apples instead of mcvouchers

>>14273149
>Local soup kitchen isn't allowed to handle anything fresh and are forced to serve only premade food like instant ramen/instant mash/instant soup/instant rice/instant anything that's make by adding boiling water to an envelope
>Even making cake from a powder that comes with instructions is strictly forbidden
Why would I volunteer to something so retarded?

>>14273168
bc its Christmas :)

>>14272919
In a capitalist society goods are produced to make $$$, not to be used. This is why you see surplus produce going to waste and people going hungry or empty houses with homeless people.

>>14272987
buying it at a discount price makes the farmer go bankrupt, numbnuts. that's why they're destroying the produce in the first place

>>14272926
We already have a surplus of cheese. The dairy industry is broken and has been dwindling in popularity for years now.

>>14273385
Ah yes if we just gave that mentally ill drug addict a home they'd become a functioning member of society

>>14274007
explain? i know nothing about this

>>14274025
About which part? The dairy industry is heavily subsidized just like a lot of the farming industries in the country. When a heavily subsidized industry isn't selling well it usually ends poorly for everyone

>>14272919
it should be illegal to destroy food that can be given away for free

>>14273135
Fuck off nerd go back

>>14272919
because that would be communism

>>14273033
Well farmers are the ones who make less of it. dudes on Wall street are the only ones making money from it

>>14274064
It should be illegal to give food away because it breeds rats

>>14272919
Spite. If they can't make money off it then no one can have it. They would rather see people starve than donate food without being paid for it.

>>14274167
so eat the rats. stupid.

>>14274167
Storing food breeds rats

>>14274178
That's how labor works. When you aren't compensated for hard work you lose all incentive no matter what it is.

>>14273035
>I blame lack of education and willpower to make something.
you're retarded
>In some very rare cases even lack of pots, pans and ovens.
more likely to be correct
poor people who need the food bank also can't pay the electric/gas bill, that's why they go for the processed stuff, which they eat cold.

>>14274064
I live in a small town and a bunch of milk producers put a milk dispenser so you can refill any container, it's way cheaper than buying from the store and its whole milk

What a dumb fucking thread.

1. No one is starving in America, except a few neglected children. This food wouldn't help them since their parents wouldn't cook squash for them anyways.

2. If no one is buying produce, or it's not profitable to ship it, it's best to return it to the soil, to prefer some nutrients for next year's harvest
>but wut about muh gibs
Why should farmers have to pay to ship food halfway across the state for free, to give food away? It's not their job to keep people fed, they're running a business. You could argue that the state should buy the leftover produce and give it away, but ironically that would also be more expensive than just expanding EBT

3. the dairy farmers dumping milk had to do it because the process plants were shut down or low output due to the staff being sick. Farmers don't make cheese or butter at home on the farm anymore, everything is done at the dairy plant. And if no one can process the milk, it will just spoil.

>>14274216
is that because of covid?

>>14274268
>1. No one is starving in America

>>14274414
Who is starving? Poor people have the highest fucking obesity rate in this country.

>>14274268
fuck ur dumb fucking face

>>14274414
kids go hungry because their parents are unfit to have custody of them. farmers working for free won't make their parents sober

>>14272940
When we have the food wars in th future, oldfags will miss the time when we ran over excess squashes instead of excess human heads

>>14272919
Because if the farmers have to be poor because they can't sell their product, they sure as hell aren't going to donate free food to the people who aren't buying food. If I'm going down poor you're going down hungry with me.

>>14272919
You recapture nutrients that cost money to put into the soil by returning the produce to the soil.

>>14272919
The FDA would fine them because of quality or some shit and they would be fucked with bills. It's either donate and lose everything or just destroy crops and move on

It probably costs them more to distribute them than to destroy them. It just baffles me that trump will subsidize farmers for because of his tariffs, but not subsidize them for this.

>>14274505
and that's the fact, but it's still fucking wrong.

basic problem with capitalism.

>>14274520
wrong how?

>>14274542
because people are starving?

>>14274551
Being able to only stuff yourself with 2000 calories of cheap ground beef vs your usual 3000 isn't starving.

>>14274551
people die of thirst, running the laundry is now wrong?

If the government will compensate farmers for unsold produce, what's preventing them from defrauding taxpayers by intentionally producing more than the market demands?

>>14274559
There are lots of starving people.
>>14274571
If it takes away people's ability to drink water? Yes.

>>14274581
Who the fuck is starving in the US?

>>14274589
Lots of people, dumb ass.

>>14274352
It's because of many reasons.

>>14274581
does destroying food starving people do not have (and are not entitled to have) take away their ability to eat?

>>14272919
Because the food banks are full

>>14274593
Repeating your braindead statement doesn't make it so.

>>14274609
Destroying food that hungry people could eat is a crime.
>>14274614
Except that you're retarded? There are hungry people in every country. Shut up.

>>14274593
There's an obesity epidemic, and in your retarded oppression fantasy there are "lots of people" starving.

>>14274624
TF are you even talking about...

Just stop.

>>14274624
Many people are fat, therefore nobody is skinny. You are the greatest mind of the modern age.

>>14274633
There's no one starving in the US. How detached from reality are you?

>>14274622
it's neither a crime nor wrong

>>14274637
In the US the poorer you are the fatter you are.

>>14272919
>Why are farmers destroying crops instead of donating them
Why won't restaurants give free food?
Why won't prostitutes provide free sex?
Why won't Apple donate their IPhones?
Why won't Steam give away their games for free?

>>14274638
>>14274640
OK, I'm done. Nobody in the USA is hungry nor could anyone benefit from an excess of cheap food. Also, since it's capitalism, it's 100% OK to throw things out that would otherwise be helpful to the community.

Have a nice day you faggots.

>>14274622
>Destroying food that hungry people could eat is a crime.
Could you provide a link that says destroying food is a crime in the US or elsewhere?

>>14274649
>Why won't restaurants give free food?
They often do if they have extra at the end of service. Steam has free games all the time. You can get injustice gods among us right now.

>>14274589
Drug addicts (deserved)
The unfortunate children of those drug addicts

>>14274661
Jesus fucking christ...

>>14272923
>order volunteers to go door to door to hand out free food

>>14274655
They're not "throwing it out". They are tilling the nutrients back into the soil so that they can grow the crops again when the supply chain can handle it.

>>14274655
it's better dead than red, comrade. remember that

>>14274671
There are people actually starving in the world. To talk about Americans "starving" is beyond delusional.

>>14274655
You don't understand farming do you? As much as it sucks for the farmers, destroying the crops and letting them compost back into the soil is good for the next batch. It's what they do with winter wheat in off season

>>14272923
>Wickard v. Filburn

If they donated the food to food banks or charities, they would be distorting the market, and would be subject to state and federal taxation and regulations. In order to skirt the issue entirely they destroy the product and it is no longer a headache.

Socialist government programs are preventing poor Americans from dying from starvation naturally, as God intended.

>>14273140
Las time they did that it got worse. You fucking newfag.

>>14274728
It wouldn't have lasted. Pussy moot caved too easily.

>>14274676
They barely have enough volunteers to sort the small amount of shelf stable donations they get from local stores. Go volunteer at one to make a difference in of ordering strangers to help. Lazy faggot.

>>14274007
why is it so damn expensive

>>14274414
children are not starving because of a food deficit. We simply have way more food then we consume.

>>14272919
>Why are farmers destroying crops instead of donating them to the charities and food banks that could use them?

Food banks and charities don't have the storage capacity to hold the millions of tons of meat, milk, fruit, vegetables, and corn that was previously being bought up by schools, public facilities, and restaurants that are now closed or running at smaller capacity.
So then the next logical conclusion is to ask about solutions/alternatives: they can't install the infrastructure to solve this because it would be expensive and this is a 'temporary' issue- all these other places are going to be back to consuming these goods and they're gradually returning already. They can't merely sell it at a slight loss because farming already runs on welfare and farmer's margins are literally paper thin when times are good: selling their produce for less would ironically bankrupt them do to other costs, etc.
They also can't cease or 'lower' production because agricultural decisions are made MONTHS and YEARS in advance- you can't just tell a cow to stop giving milk or push a button and suddenly your crops stop growing.

>>14272919
because food banks and charities cannot process raw farmed ingredients. also, the crops drew nutrients from the soil. nutrients the farmers had to buy in the form of fertilizer. by plowing in their crops, they will require a lot less fertilizer next year, and most of the crops would just rot anyway as the supply chain is broken. trucking companies are still needed to transport the crops. they aren’t working for free. manufacturers aren’t working for free. honestly if you have to ask this question, you’re either a retarded commie or you’re just retarded.

>>14274976

Posted too soon, sorry-
So in conclusion it's just easier to throw it the fuck out. Like, the biggest costs in food production are transportation and storage.
In a resource based industry you actually have to spend quite a bit of money holding and moving them around before you actually make any flippin' money.

>>14274007
Cheese consumption is up. Overall dairy consumption is up. It's only milk that has been declining in popularity. Domestically anyway.

>>14274007
Oh what a coincidence the proportion of lactose tolerant americans is also declining.

>>14273168
>land of the free

>>14274981
My mom got a bunch of raw veggies and potatoes from the food bank. So much that I got some too!

Poor fucks don’t know how to cook.

Fuck em. Let them starve until they figure it out.

Farmers in the US are a bunch of welfare niggers who would be on the streets begging for change if the corn subsidies ever ended.

>>14272923
It might be a transportation cost issue too. So much that they lose less money by just dumping it.

>>14272919
Because the vast majority of farmers don't have the infrastructure to process, package, and distribute food directly. They just grow the stuff, while other companies come pick it up in bulk quantities and handle the logistics of bringing it to market. If the trucks don't come to collect the crops, the stuff just piles up and rots.

>they should just GIVE the food away, with all the costs of packaging, transporting and distributing paid by them

t. Mental children

Essentials like food, electricity, and infrastructure are too important to be private. They need to be government services. Capitalist modeling only works for things like luxury goods, fashion, arts, and entertainment.

>>14274716
basically this. it's a god damn shame considering how many starving children there are out there in this country, and it's not just nigs either.
>>14274723
That's wrong.

t. volunteer

>>14277105
>Essentials like food, electricity, and infrastructure are too important to be private.

Unironically true and I say that as a massive fan of capitalism.
Farms are already the most subsidized industry in America and Canada- they may as well just drop the formality and make farmers a government worker of some sort.
Farmers who actually want to MAKE money don't fucking grow food for human consumption, they grow corn and soybeans for ethanol production. The only 'profitable' farms are those growing 'artisan' organic or exotic crops for niche foreign markets and picky eaters and even then they're profitable because they're small and niche.

The fundamental profit incentive for Agriculture is at odds with the literal needs of the populous.
The more efficient and productive farms are the less profit they can potentially make. There also isn't any 'secret' market to expand or grow into: poor people, middle class people, and rich people all consume food at pretty much the same rate.. Obese monsters notwithstanding.

>>14274772
Do you volunteer at a foodbank, anon?

>>14277213
>they grow corn
Because Corn is subsidised to shit. The reason that farmers are subsidised is because everyone else subsidises their own farmers and if anyone stops their markets are going to be flooded by cheaper foreign goods and their farms go out of business which is just bad. A free market full of subsidised goods is better than a government controlled agricultural system, since it went so well for China and Ukraine.

>>14277231
What gave it away?

The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

>>14273168
is it true this is caused by US's sue happy culture? Like homeless people will sue you with any excuse to get some bucks, and that's why you have retarded policies in charities and retarded instructions on things like "don't put your baby inside the oven"?

>>14277105
>>14277213
And that's the mentality of willing slaves.
The reason food farms aren't profitable without government intervention is because food is ridiculously cheap compared to any other time in history. Due to government intervention.
Free/cheap food, free/cheap entertainment.
We're literally living "panem et circenses" meme.
Why is cheap food a problem (let's leave entertainment for now)?
One reason is that it's garbage. If food were more expensive, people would spend a little bit more for quality compared ton base prices and do it regularly, rather than 3x, 10x, 100x,... for absurd, "nieche" "health products".
Another is that this artificial production creates artificial market.
Farmers are more likely to produce what is financially more beneficial. Subsidies play a heavy role here. result is, farmers grow what government says. This results in oversupply of certain products, which then get rammed into anything and everything (e.g. corn).
And in my opinion most important one, subsidies create a centralised food system. A system which current circumstances have proven to be seriously problematic.
Cheap food makes it pointless to grow your own, so people don't. But when crisis hits and connections to central supply get fucked, it's game over.
Having people grow some of their own food because it can actually be economically beneficial would mean more people would do it, people would eat healthier as a result as well, there would be more resilience in crops due to greater genetic diversity and greater crop variation (not everyone would be growing the same cloned tomato, for instance), there would be more food for the bees, and with people raising their own animals (but to lesser extent), there would even be less need for extracting non-renewables for fertilisation.
If we ever get hit by a real pandemic, starvation will kill a huge chunk of population. BECAUSE of subsidies.

>>14277279

I can't comment on everything, but:

>One reason is that it's garbage. If food were more expensive, people would spend a little bit more for quality compared ton base prices and do it regularly, rather than 3x, 10x, 100x,... for absurd, "nieche" "health products".

This is such a blatantly retarded take I'm having a hard time responding and unpacking it because I have no fucking idea how you came to such a bizarre and ridiculous fucking conclusion.
People are and aren't dipshits when it comes to food: they seek immediately convenient and inexpensive sources of food that can satisfy their needs as they have them according to their situation. Food is also a NEED, it isn't a 'luxury': people will forgo quality in favor of simple availability to meet the simple need to NOT STARVE.
You know what homeless people do? Like, 'actual' homeless people and not coke-heads? They calculate cost vs caloric intake divided by time. Quality literally occupies no thoughtspace for them.


Also, from just an objective stand point: people unironically can't discern food quality very well and food quality is 'kind of' a meme.
Like, obviously there's good and bad produce, but the difference between an organic tomato grown in a field and read bed time stories vs one grown in sterilized soil and force fed chemicals is not only negligible, but people have proven time and time again that they can't taste the difference in blind tests.

>Having people grow some of their own food because

I've heard this one before and it's just completely impractical. It's a larp- it's a pipe dream fabricated by people who live in an echo chamber.
People don't have the fucking time or energy to manage their own gardens, nor the experience or knowledge for that matter. There's no way in shit you're going to get someone who works 8-9 hours a day to manage a garden.
The only time this kind of thing has EVER worked was when people grew Victory Gardens in WW2 and that was to supplement rationing.

free market bitch
>why don't you all just work for free like me reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

because its cheaper

I see a lot of retards in this thread blaming capitalism and wanting the government to intervene MORE into this situation which it created through subsidies and regulations.
You need a hefty amount of freestyle semantics to blame this on markets.

>>14277376
>There's no way in shit you're going to get someone who works 8-9 hours a day to manage a garden
There's quite a few people who do exactly that, just because you're a lazy fuckwit doesn't mean that everyone else is.
>the rest of the post
The reason subsidies exist is because unsubsidised farming just means that countries lose money to imported goods that are cheaper due to foreign subsidies, and so they subsidise their own farmers to compensate. A free market with subsidies is the most effective way to manage domestic farmland without losing ground to foreign products, which is kinda shitty but that's just a side effect of global trade.

>>14277515
>There's quite a few people who do exactly that, just because you're a lazy fuckwit doesn't mean that everyone else is.

Naw, not enough to be viable.
I don't care about your anecdotal, peace & love, hippy co-op, British Columbian/Washington born and raised, give peace a chance, gen-x, retiree, volunteer, senior citizen, my Anon.
Most people in the city are working hard, long, tiring hours, and they don't have the spare energy or time to put in the additional work it would take to manage an urban garden of any productive capacity. Again, the guy who's working 9-5 isn't going to be in the mood to weed or pick radishes- it takes a particular kind of individual.

Even from an economic perspective it's kind of a waste of time simply because urbanites generate more revenue even from just going to their shitty minimum wage-slave job than working in some hypothetical urban garden co-op where HOURS of physical labor is translated into potatoes that aren't even worth the chicken shit you had to bring in to make the deprived public soil fertile.

>>14277572
This was a college student who also worked a full time job, but she didn't live in a city. And I don't either, cities are fucking weird and I don't understand why anyone would willingly choose to live there.

>>14272919
because your country has a shitty economy and bad logistics.

>>14272940
>squashes
those are way too fucking big to be squashes.
squashes barely fill the palm of your hand.
those are butternut pumpkins, by the look.

>>14277895
pumpkins are a squash

>>14277572
> hard long hours
Lmao sitting in front of a computer for 8 hours a day isn’t hard

>>14272919
because it costs money?

>>14273033
t. retard

why create it in the 1st place then

>>14275114
insert mutt meme, keep importing doctors and engineers

>>14273035
>I blame lack of education and willpower to make something

It's almost as if feeding these people so they can go on to reproduce dumber versions of themselves was a huge mistake.

>>14274064
I'm willing to bet if these "starving", lazy fucks actually went to a farm, they could walk off with all the food they could carry FOR FREE.

But since it's not delivered to their shitty urban food centers, they just bitch and moan about "capitalism".

>>14277895
anything that's beneath a tractor tire is a squash XD

>>14278252
>anything that's beneath a tractor tire is a squash XD
Kek'd

>>14278252
You win the internets!

>>14274467
>food wars
Eat the bugs

>>14272923
This. Why the fuck do Europoors ask such stupid questions.

>>14272923
>>14272924
Thank god we have this system in place so food produced cannot be distributed without profit. :^)

>>14278845
>excess food is produced by productive people
>unproductive 'people' starve
>oh no the system man is to blame

>>14272926

What the hell do you think government cheese is?

>>14272919
Look between the lines. More likely a government order. This would be the perfect way for the government to have the population rely solely on them for a food source. But of course, in order to get fed, you must scan your microchip or whatever.

And plus I work at a grocery store. More and more food items and brands have been disappearing off of the shelves and haven't been back sense this corona thing started. And nothing new is coming in to replace the old. Not to act all conspiratard up in here. But you definitely gotta read between the lines in this era.

>>14278961
If you're going to be a conspiratard about it then the population is already solely reliant on the government for food seeing as how farmers are propped up entirely by subsidies and grants. And that's already after the farmers are wage-slaved to Monsanto.

>>14278961
>government tried for the longest time to pretend coronavirus wasn't even real
>now conspiritards think the government is trying to use this to create a NWO or some retarded shit
you have no brain

>>14277264
More or less. If you say you're going to give people free food, and then you poison them via negligence (or even malice), why do you think there should be no consequences?

this is the price of freedom

>>14279143
>property owners using their property in their own interest
disgusting

>>14279267
But it's not in their own interest. It's just wasteful. Their should be some incentive to donate at least

Farmers are always evil and often inbred

>>14273968
Explain

The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.

>>14272919
As my based mom used to say:
>I brought you into this world and I can take you out of this world too anon, now help me shave my fupa.

>>14277083
>the government couldn’t possibly step in and help

>>14279505
>The same government, who was, at the time, demanding everyone stay home
The government doesn't "do" things, they take peoples money, and give it to other people to do things for them.

>>14272919
Why do people want a salary when they could just work for free in their spare time?

i go to the foodbank and get hellllla produce and bread, then spend a dollar or three on a couple packs of hotdogs and we grilllll the fuuuuck up. my friend lives at the skatepark and always has a grill there.

super veggie weeiner sandwiches

>>14274011
if my friend was able to keep his home he wouldnt have become a nonfunctional drug-addict

>>14279554
>>14279546
different friends though. the guy who lives at the skatepark works a few hours a week to buy beer, food and tools

>>14274551
friends struggling to pay rent cuase they spend so much on food

>>14278845
get a job anon

>>14274581
>If it takes away people's ability to drink water? Yes.
the aquufer that feeds californias central valley farms took millions of years to fill. it has been half drained in the past 100years. farmers are allowed to pump out as muh water as they want.

they also say it takes two farmers to farm the food it took 100farmers to farm 100years ago... BUT... today sustainable farming oractices would be too labor intensive to be profitable

>>14279490
ur1 verbose fag

>>14274414
So few Americans die from starvation every year, that it doesn't even appear as a cause of death on most annual reports. Meaning that the amount of deaths is less than a few thousand, in a country of hundreds of millions. Also consider that the rates of obesity in this nation are extremely high, and even higher for even the most destitute of Americans. We simply produce so much cheap food its almost impossible to starve outside of special circumstances.

>>14272919
Why are poor people asking for handouts instead of working for a living?

>there's enough surplus food in underground vaults in the US to end hunger in the states 10 times over without even accounting for the excess product farmers regularly produce
>if we do that though were communists

>>14279783
slave away for hours at a min wage job for 40hrs a week and it all goes towards rent, or be a bum, eat trash and hang out with friends, read books in the park and shitpost all day
-or-
crippling drug addiction, mental illness

>>14279783
There aren't enough jobs for everybody. That's simply impossible. During the great depression we realized how dangerous it is to have a population with nothing to lose pushed to the absolute limit. Hence welfare.

>>14279866
Please point me to even one case of a person dying of starvation in the US

>>14279783
There's a reason welfare still exists despite the wishes of certain politicians. Eat the rich wouldn't just be a turn of phrase.

>>14274696
yeah, like Americans. just because you havent seen it doesnt mean its not a problem

>>14274696
In America, having a normal BMI means you're starving to death

>>14279934
What's the reason it exists? There are many countries without welfare.

>>14273033
It's actually not cost effective to round up things like heart of celery and the leaves. The machine goes through and cuts the 'prime stalk' and workers come behind bagging em. Think about the stalks you see in a store. That's only about 30% of the actual plant. But because no one will pay money (or rather enough money to be profitable) for the leftover it literally gets left in the dirt and they let it rot and help the soil.

Same with fruit and all veggies, they have to pass mandated quality inspection mean even if they are the tiniest bit misshaped the store will not pay for them and they become not cost effective to attempt to sell, it's cheaper to simply throw them away in a landfill by the truckload.

Tons of methane comes from these gigantic piles of rotting stuff in landfills that is completely edible food and just had minor imperfections.

On a side note most kitchens and Pantry's operate at a loss. Meaning they count on donations, volunteers and government money just to hand out free food to hungry people. The costs associated with running a simple soup kitchen are unreal.

>>14279968
Don't ever respond to me again.

>>14279783
Black people built this country it's only fair we feed them

>>14274414
Factually true. Please do not fall for the "malnutrition" or "don't know where their next meal is coming from" word games.

have you idiots ever been to or worked in a soup kitchen/food bank?

>>14279994
I can't attest to how all misshapen fruits and vegetables are used, but I know there is a constant search for ways to profitably do something with them, and misshapen/bruised apples are used for juice and apple sauce.

>>14280008
"I don't know where my next meal will come from"
>Can't decide between McDonalds and Burger King

>>14279866
I think you only care about the alleged starving Appalachians because you personally cannot afford nice things and food simultaneously.

>>14272919
jesus christ leftists are so fucking stupid and ignorant on how things work that they shouldn't be allowed to live

>>14280413
>thinking the farmers who do this are leftists
when you thought bakers and media were leftists was funny enough
but at this point you are straight up retarded

>>14279999
Ah, yes, because everything is made out of tobacco and cotton.

>>14280440
*bankers

what happened is boomer farmers got so easily mentally manipulated by bankers that now they think communists lurk at every turn

they don't

that's just your small, manipulated brain speaking

>>14280440
are you pretending to be retarded as a troll or is this sincere?

>>14274742
You really know nothing so shut your god damn shit hole you redditfag scumlord.

because lazy bums on the street are parasites of society, and farmers know it.

>>14272919
The issue is a lack of processing capacity.

>>14279554
I doubt that. Why did he lose his home?

Most "farms" are corporate leased and manged, the landowner sits in a house somewhere on the property and calls themselves or their family "farmers" because it sounds more honest than investor or welfare recipient.

Most service companies put signs along the edge of a field especially if it borders an interstate, that will give you an idea of who operates a particular farm. TL;DR: learn how to garden, raise animals, and fish / hunt. You'll eat better now and be able to sustain yourself in bad times.

>>14279077
>people
We were talking about hobos???

>>14274167
CRIMINALLY underrated post.

>>14274011
yes!

>>14277895

same thing retard.

>>14274414
The only people who die from starvation are the extremely mentally ill

>>14272919
Welcome to capitalism
The goal was never to feed anyone, it was to amass fortune. Food just so happens to be their currency, and destroying it is cheaper and simpler than donating

>>14274431
>Poor people have the highest fucking obesity rate in this country.
No they dont. I can dig up a national health study if you need proof. I use it to btfo the idea that fat people exist because poor people cant afford healthy food

The middle class is way fatter than the poorest americans

>>14272919
supply and demand is a puppeteers game, lad.

>>14280447
>Ah, yes, because everything is made out of tobacco and cotton.
okay how about black people helped (white) people amass a bunch of wealth so they and their families could have very comfortable lifestyles

>>14282121
>The middle class is way fatter than the poorest americans
It depends on exactly that: How you're deciding to slice it. For defining a middle class income:
>Middle-income households – those with an income that is two-thirds to double the U.S. median household income – had incomes ranging from about $42,000 to $125,000 in 2014
www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/11/are-you-in-the-american-middle-class/
Which is about the same range using today's median income.
Pic related makes mention of people *living in states* under $45K for median income vs. those living states over $65K in finding its 35% vs 25% obesity percentage figures.
You could argue each state has its own set of class divisions relative to the different medians or you could argue the entire states themselves are more or less lower class on the whole as one issue. And another issue is how different it would be to have relatively little money in a relatively nice area vs. relatively strong earnings in a relatively run down area.
If poverty is influencing obesity (and I think most people at least concede a connection of some sort there, if not one as simple as "poor people are fatter"), it would make sense that the broader infrastructure you're living in might be as important to what counts as poverty than your personal income, if not even more important.

>>14274064
You can't give it away for free, you need to pay to have it transported and stored.

>>14277917
You act as if they're not doing anything. I was more tired after a month of an office job than I was in basic training when I was in the Army.

>>14279414
The local food bank refused donations because they had too much and couldn't store it securely.

>>14279934
>Eat the rich wouldn't just be a turn of phrase.
isn't it like a Hard Science that even in stressful times, those willing to kill and torment only kill and torment those below them?

>>14272919
those greedy farmers cant get it off their land and transport it to a processing facility because everyone is furloughed, highly intelligent comrade

>>14282841
which is a good thing, I hope you fucking faggots starve.

>>14272919
Because you would be losing money in petrol / delivery if you were to give away all your uneaten fruits and veg.
Bananas are the least profitable fruit per hectare atm
t. Banana farmer who's gettin rid of all this and replacing it with garlic.

>>14282908
>Banana farmer who's gettin rid of all this and replacing it with garlic.
what the fuck could the margins on garlic possibly be

>>14282914
Pretty damn high especially with China's demand for the stuff.

>>14282846
No one's starving, you idiot, the system is literally full to bursting with food, that's why they're destroying it.

>>14282914
It's a special type of garlic that I'm not telling anyone about. Someone actually stole some of the garlic from me. He was a good mate. A typical sly indian cunt. 300k AUD yearly from half a hectare. People are catching on though, not that I mind. Everyone in my town is now paying their insurance, cars, loans, you name it, in garlic.
Also next time you are at the grocery store check the garlic in glass jars. It'll never say "made in Australia" or "made in USA". It'll say 'packed' or 'distribute' in your country. And thats because your garlic comes from China.
But don't go planting any old garlic in the ground thinking you'll turn a profit. It's a new special type.

>>14282928
>no one's starving

>>14282943
Yes, the logisitical system is functioning, warehouses are full, shops are full when people don't panic buy them out, that's the issue. It's a case of oversupply. If there were actual shortages, people would be buying up the produce and paying to get it shipped.

Now, are a few people due to mental illness, drug dependency or other factors not eating properly in the US? Sure and in literally every country in the world, but to even try to pretend there's a problem with starvation in the US today is astonishingly stupid.

>>14277376

>Quality literally occupies no thoughtspace for them.
Try actually getting involved, rather than spewing bullshit. You know how many "homeless" refuse packaged food I offer them? More than accept.
Average "homeless" beggar on the street is pickier than me. The ones who are I'm glad they are, as they get fuck-all, the ones who aren't, I'm happy to give.

In the west, there's an over-abundance of food. So much so that you write the following:

>There's no way in shit you're going to get someone who works 8-9 hours a day to manage a garden.

So, is food a NEED, or a LUXURY? Because if it were a need, people would definitely work away at the gardens/fields. But trust me, it's less than 8-9 hours per day to sustain yourself with a field, if you are happy with a simple life.

The overabundance of food due to subsidies has made food a luxury through suppression of the need aspect.

To go at food quality being a meme, it is and it isn't.
People who claim can tell a difference likely can't. But there is a difference. Not saying home-grown food will be better by default, since average person doesn't know shit, the quality will be lower than it COULD be, but when the only competition for a farmer is another farmer, or garbage from outside the country, and when people can't compare to homegrown food, not just taste, but long-term effects as well, then the farmer only cares about minimising the costs.

Quick-growing and less nutritious veg is pretty standard in shops. When cooked and seasoned, it's hard to tell a difference in taste, true, but that's why you have "impossible whopper" bullshit. And yes, it IS different nutritionally to an actual meat burger (even if maybe not the meat whopper). Taste =/= Nutrition.

Food taste and quality is better in countries where more people grow their own. Fact.
But killing subsidies outright without changing anything else right now would just kill the farmers in favour of foreign imports.

>>14277572
Mentality of a slave everybody

>>14273028
But if they have to buy their own food, they can't spend their money on As Seen On TV

I don't think yuropoors understand how much free food there is. Anyone can get $200 a month food stamps enough to eat steak chicken and bacon everyday. You can also go to the dozen food banks nearby and and get boxes of food every month many including unlimited bread chips peanut butter and sell your food stamps for booze money. No one is starving anorexics

I am sure that if anyone cares to go harvest it and take it away, the farmers will readily work out an agreement.
At least all the farmers I know would be fine with someone picking what they're about to till under to feed their families, if asked.
They aren't about to pay for harvest, packaging, and transport to give it all away.

>>14274268

>Farmers
>not their job to keep people fed

I'm sorry...what?? Are you fucking retarded by any chance?

>>14279783

>>14282337
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5751581/

Heres a snippet from the study I saw. It does seem like it depends on how the authors chose to divide up the income groups

>>14279866
Anon you retard, poor people already have access to free food. They just need to actually prove they need the help and a food pantry will let them basically use a zero charge grocery store for bulk take home groceries that will easily feed a large family for a month.
Meanwhile we don't just give free food to everyone in the country from disaster storage or other instances of surplus because that would cause food prices at stores to crash just like during the Great Depression, at which point it will no longer be profitable to produce more food for stores and you'll start seeing real shortages way worse than the empty shelves and delivery delays some people saw during the initial American COVID-19 hysteria.

>>14272919
Because niggers use charities. Burn that fucking food. I can still afford to eat because I haven't been living off of food stamps for years unlike a generic inner city nigger who only gets a complete protein source from ingesting another nigs semen. Let em starve

>>14274661
>I-it's n-not against th-the law...
Smoothbrain.

>>14277917
t. incel

>>14279490
Based!

>>14273135
Rent free

>>14282330
You mean the tiny, tiny, minority of slaveholders, the equivalent in their day of todays multi-billionaires? Sure, go ahead and take what wealth can be calculated to have come from that from the handful of people descended from them, and leave the rest of us alone, you race-obsessed lunatic.

>>14279908
>thinking starving to death is the only problem going hungry causes

>>14283729
Like governor nothern of Virginia descended from slaveholders gets caught in blackface apologizes on behalf of white people by taking their guns and increasing tax on them to fund reparations

>>14274216
Sounds unsanitary. What small town? Europe?

>>14283884
They arent dispensing it from the cows asshole you backward European

>>14274157
Hahaha, no.
Corn farmers especially hinge on elections so to milk the possibility of more subsidies.
The entire food industry is built upon the back of the taxpayer.

>>14283907
I'm American actually. Milk spoils quickly and I was thinking about any residue left on the dispenser and how often the lines are cleaned.

>>14283951
Have you never seen refrigerated milk fountains at cafeterias or whatever?

>>14283969
No.

>>14283951
So you just assumed that milk processors are fucking morons who dont understand milk as well as you do

>>14274855
Because it takes time to age cheese.

>>14283986
No, but I assume that the people who maintain the dispensers are lazy wagies. Why are you getting so defensive?

>>14283969
Huh. They had one at the mess hall at my college dorm, I don't remember any one getting sick from them.

>>14283554
>Farmers
>not their job to keep people fed
>I'm sorry...what??
He's right you idiot. Farmers grow food and sell it. They don't have an obligation to make sure after they sell it that it gets prepared, packaged, and transported over to your house for free so you don't need to earn money and pay for food at a store instead.
Retard.

>>14283994
Its annoying living in a world where everyone is retarded but thinks they are smart

>>14284030
Whatever, dairy shill.

nothing can be done with excess food
food is abundant and available for everybody in this country, even people with zero dollars on the street. The fact we have obese homeless people is all you need to know about the situation

any excess product can't be shipped out to places that need it anyway. Food doesn't last forever, it needs to be stored and processed
if africa cared to build a shred of infrastructure maybe they could have it
until then it's just excess and used for pig feed

>>14284073
>The fact we have obese homeless people is all you need to know about the situation
Not really. All that means is we are shoveling processed garbage into our pour.

>>14284038
.04 cents was added to my account

>>14284085
Yes we are shovelling it in not the fatty you no account spoilt millennial retard

>>14281614
nope, pic related is squash. tiny, bitter little fucks that only your grandma eats.
under those tyres are butternut pumpkins, 2nd or 3rd most popular pumpkin behind Queensland Blues and Jap pumpkins.

>>14285611
you should learn about common names and their usage, especially in English, before embarrassing yourself further. oh and nice pic, dipshit.

>>14274025
>>14274007
Dairy is going down because we have less white people in the country. The mudraces cant process milk and so they cope and say only babies drink it.

>>14274440
Future teacher fag here, when I got sent to a poorfag school to do observations they told me how having a free breakfast program increased attendance I thought of how shit the parents were that they were unable to care for their kids

>>14282052
>>14279751
You have to pretty much be a homeless bum who turns any cash given to you into drugs or booze and actively refuses any kind of social assistance

>>14285958
You are going to have to say and do the dumbest things to keep your job

>>14285948
>>14275114
>>14274025

Milk, as in actual milk consumption sip sip sip sip, is going down and has been for the last 20 years.
Ice cream, cheese, butter, and yogurt consumption, meanwhile, have all consistently risen and it doesn't look it'll stop. Especially yogurt.

Yogurt is kind of the break away product into these markets because it's delicious, healthy, and lactose intolerant people can eat it. If you can, ironically, wean a population on yogurt they'll gradually develop enough lactose tolerance to start comfortably consuming other dairy products like cheese, butter, and flavored milk more readily. Before ww2 Japan scarcely consumed any dairy to speak of, but Americans introduced them to the idea and their population has become less intolerant to dairy with every subsequent generation.

>>14278834
obsessed af

>>14279077
I have a dream, where the law changes to suit the invidiual, if you're dumb enough to eat poisoned soup and try to sue them, you should pay the poisoner

>>14283554
>I'm sorry...what?? Are you fucking retarded by any chance?

Different Anon, but he's right: it isn't a farmers job or responsibility to keep people fed, but to merely produce agricultural goods- whatever they may be. It could be food crops, it could be livestock, but it could also be vegetation for ethanol, or cash crops.

Keeping people fed is more of a distribution thing.

>>14277895
You do realize there are many types of squash, and many can be very large and heavy?

>>14278978
Well it's not a very useful crisis if it's contained quickly and effectively.

>>14279908
Only vegan babies.

>>14273028

a lot of poverty obesity is becuase shitty processed food is a lot cheaper than healthy fresh food

>>14277376
I don’t have effort to say anything except u r gay and dumb

>>14277125
>how many starving children there are out there in this country
what bullsh*t are you talking about. Only reason a child would ever go hungry is not a lack of government support, it'd be the negligence of a parent, and more money for dem programs isn't going to fix that.

>>14272919
farmer here

you just can't give your product away for free because people will stop buying it (why pay for something i can get for free? lmao) and you will lose your business, it's that simple

Also you need money to move, store and process all that, or you expect hungry people to go to the countryside and eat raw things?

>>14286793
>*
Curse, nigga. This is an 18+ site.

>>14286904
4channel's blueboards need to keep their content workplace safe, some of us are on the clock here. Keep us in mind and type it kind.

>>14278003
>It's almost as if feeding these people so they can go on to reproduce dumber versions of themselves was a huge mistake.
A large number of apartments have tiny refrigerators, tiny stoves, no oven, and barely any cabinet space for storing food.
Most don’t come with microwaves either.

The last apartment I lived in had a refrigerator from the 1960s, with a tiny barely functioning freezer, and the fridge space wasn’t bad.
I looked up inflationary values, and compared them to my parents apartment they had in the 1970s, And my Studio apartment was a single room with a bathroom and tiny alcove with a stove, and they had had a 4 room apartment, with a separate full kitchen, full of quality appliances. Inflation rate wise, they paid less than I was for the studio apartment.

>>14279457
>Destroy it
Get bailed out by government
>sell it at a loss
Don't get bailed out

>>14274581
I f your starving in the usa now when food 9s the most abundant in the history of ever your a retard rice and beans are cheap as fuck

>>14279783
>Why are poor people asking for handouts instead of working for a living?
Rent is comparatively ten times or more what it used yo be, with education and health care also significantly more expensive.
Certain things I used to take for granted, like single layer thick leather work boots, are now significantly more expensive than they used to be, and you basically have to buy Redwing Heritage or Thorogood or some other expensive brand, and they cost $300.

>>14282330
>okay how about black people helped (white) people amass a bunch of wealth so they and their families could have very comfortable lifestyles
Oprah is literally descended from a slave owner, whose male son married a white woman, and who likely got a nice inheritance.
And there were vast numbers of poor white people in the USA who were discriminated against, and paid fuck all for back breaking labor, usually in areas that had nothing to do with descendants of African slaves.