/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Asians don't understand dessert, it's too much of a Western concept for them.

>>14124825
Taro kitkats are alright

>>14124825
Taro tapioca is good.

>>14124836
Mochi is delicious

>>14124825
Because Japan is retarded when food is more complex than rice and raw fish with soy sauce

>>14125157

>>14125157
Why would you screencap that wall of autism?

>>14125170
To repost it of course

>>14125038
when filled with ice cream yes, taro and azuki bean stuff are not good. Honestly I'd prefer a plain unfilled sweetened mochi dumpling. Dessert is a very western concept, like what desserts do you order at your local chinese place?

>>14125157
To be fair, take a person from China to an American Chinese restaurant and they'd probably feel the same way.

>>14124825
taro chips are dope

>>14125157
>when the KFC marketing team convinced the entire country that Americans eat fried chicken on Christmas eve sometime in the 80s/90s
Japs are just as retarded as Americans when it comes to meme-based diets

>>14125183
Yeah, but would anyone really read it all?

>>14125216
Eh people read all the twitter screencaps and watch ecelebs videos, it's not a big deal imo

>>14125038
Anko is good. Taro is shit.

>>14124836
>>14125202
>Dessert is a very western concept

>>14125157
>go to Japan
>country known to use almost solely local ingredients in all their food
>Japs prefer "milder" flavors compared to westerners
>is surprised when Japs cater to their own citizens instead of gaijin
not worth capping desu

>>14125202
Azuki bean filled mochi is lit senpai. To each their own.

>>14125225
>people read all the twitter screencaps and watch ecelebs videos
Well, I'd hesitate to call those "people", but technically, yeah.

>>14125202
>t. has only eaten premade garbage from shitty brands
cook it yourself next time

>>14125157
>>14125162
Ass blasted ALTs. That being said, Japanese Italian food is pretty strange.

>>14125157
>raw squid and eel
Fake, eel is never served raw.

>>14125162
Broccoli is good on pizza

>>14125244
prove me wrong faggot, sweet flavors definitely existed throughout every culture, but a separate course finishing off dinner did not (and still does not) exist in most traditional cuisines. A piece of fruit does not count.

I like taro tea

>>14125291
dessert after meals only exist because of marketers who want you to be fat, immobile, and stupid

>>14125282
>eel is never served raw.
Why not? Japs eat everything else raw.

>>14125297
or the discovery/development/importation of cane sugar and the development of pastry and cakes.

>>14125162
Are spaghetti sauce and pizza sauce not interchangeable?

>>14125307
and that development just happened overnight like magic, didn't it?

>>14125306
IDK about eels elsewhere but Jap eels have highly toxic blood. Strictly speaking it can be eaten raw but only after fairly specialized preparation so everyone just cooks it.

>>14125291
And suddenly it's about being a separate course and the most common meal finisher doesn't count because of reasons. It's a moot point anyways since the Indians still did that shit, FFS the words sugar and candy are both derived from sanskrit.

>>14125282
Raw squid, as well as (cooked) eel. Not raw squid and raw eel

>>14125321
No, but pastry really only happened in Europe for a long while. Asian pastry has nothing on french or danish stuff, sorry.

>>14125412
Suddenly dessert means dessert, call the police

>>14125311
These 2 are pretty close though pizza sauce is much thinner usually.

>>14125216
I read it you dumbass weeb.

>>14125431
>I came into this thread about Asian sweets to make inaccurate statements about meal courses
Oh well everything makes sense now.

>>14125225
>other people do it so i can do it too
hope you don't approach all things in life with this attitude, m8

>>14125157
>>14125162
>island country
>very little land for livestock
>surprised there's no good cheese
how do these people survive in Japan being so fucking ignorant?

>>14125415
The stories and information posted here are autistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

>>14125565
the point is they could export or just at least try to follow the original meal in spirit

>>14125244
It is. What we call "dessert" is almost entirely French in origin. It's why the US which is so heavily influenced by the French is so infatuated with sweets.
Everything else we consume as a dessert these days was a savory dish we Americans applied French principles to and made sweet.

>>14125628
I meant they could import ingredients

>>14125157
It's a damned lie to say that their bread is no good. Shokupan is the fluffiest, most perfect white bread imaginable, and bakeries will produce other kinds as well.
Cheese he's mostly right, though. It is bitch hard to find cheese in Japan outside of Hokkaido.

>>14125635
You make a good point. I'm reminded of how pies are a fairly old food but for most of history were primarily filled with meats and other savory dishes.

>>14124825
>I personally don’t like something so that means it’s bad to everyone

>>14125635
The word is French. The dishes that Americans typically think of as dessert may have derived largely from French cuisine. The concept however is not unique to France nor did it originate there.

>>14125692
They have decent brioche-like white bread but hell if you can find anything close to a basic french loaf.

This thread is just assblasted weebs

>>14125866
There don't really appear to be any ass-blasted weebs. There's a couple of people really mad about the definition of dessert and a lot of people debating the finer points of how limited Jap food is.

>>14124836

Which is so bizzare because sugar originates in asia.

>>14125662
why when they are happy eating their own food?
to cater to spoiled brats?

>>14125866
ew I can't wait for the new Lord of the Rings reboot to feature black people white people are so disgusting

>>14125968
Hobbits aren't people, idiot

>>14124836
Literally this, I haven't had a single decent asian dessert. I was once in Japan and somehow ended up with Jalapeño flavored ice cream.

>>14125422
>pastry really only happened in Europe for a long while

>>14126024
>in jap cafe
>see cream cheese danish
>sounds breddy gud
>take bite
>it's mayo

>>14125422
bread wasnt even invented in europe

>>14126041
Semantics. Flat bread is as old as humanity. But yeast risen loafs of bread are exclusive to "Europe" which in this case includes northern Africa (Egypt etc.) The Mediterranean.

>>14126039
Superior Jap mayo, folded over 1000 times.

>>14125993
you're not people

>>14125635
American cuisine is influenced by German cuisine, not French. What the fuck are you smoking?

>>14126081
Actually most "American" cuisine that is not adapted from native and local ingredients/techniques (like baked beans and barbecue) are italian inspired.
But just because the US has influence from many regions due to the people that came here, does not negate the heavy French influence on our nation. Particularly when it comes to passion for sweet dessert pastries.

>Egypt is in Europe now
This thread is interesting as fuck.

>>14125422
we're talking about desserts in general not specifically pastries, don't goalpost move on me, bitch
Americans and Euros want to stuff themselves stupid on sugar and do it until they die

>>14126157
I specifically said the Mediterranean at the end but it seems you still didnt understand. In terms of historical significance and conncections, Egypt is much more of a "European" country than an "African" country.
In the same way Russia despite being a part of continental Asia is not really Asian.
Egypt may have had risen loaves but the straw hut tribes down further south In Africa did not.

>>14126191
This discussion is already pretty muddy but the existence of sweet foods like candies does not mean that desserts were a big thing in those cultures. Just because baclava is older than puff pastry doesn’t mean that the French desserts aren’t infinitely more refined

>>14126081
American cuisine heavily emulated French culinary traditions shortly after independence, and it was particularly associated with the upper class. The backbone of American food is a mix of English, German, French, Dutch, and most recently Italian cooking.

>>14126216
>I specifically said the Mediterranean at the end but it seems you still didnt understand.
Anon I fully understand that you're moving goalposts because you made a crazy inaccurate statement. I don't think you actually knew who first used yeast until about 40 minutes ago.

>>14126343
I'm not whoever you were talking to before.

>>14125238
no u! unko is shit

>>14124825
Filipino ube ice cream is where it's at

>>14125743
Welcome to 4chan!

>>14126479
Do you think anyone here is actually smart enough to think the Philippians are part of Asia?

>>14126479
>no cheese swirl
Fucking dropped.

>>14125157
>>14125162
Everywhere does this though

>be from Texas
>go to turkey on vacation
>tex-mex restaurants everywhere for some reason
>go to one, get fajitas
>presented sort of like tex-mex fajitas, tortilla wasn't a tortilla though
>eat one
>spices are completely turkish, veggies were sauteed in olive oil
>served it with taziki sauce in place of sour cream
>ect

It was actually really good but tasted nothing like native tex-mex

>>14126757
A local twist is fine in itself, just don't pretend that it's the authenthic way and be confused about it.

>>14126771
If you have no reference for it, how would you know?

One of the other anons brought up a good point, "Chinese" food in America

>>14126778
I saw your typo

>>14126784
Well we have the internet for one. Like fine, if they can't get good cheese it's one thing but don't serve sheets of seaweed with shredded tofu and tell me it's a lasagna.

>>14126788
you got me there

>>14126415
Double hilarious.

>>14124836
nah, dessert is an Arabic/Indian thing. Whites didn't have sugar until a couple centuries ago.

Asian desserts=starch based
Euro desserts=fat based
Arab/Indian desserts=sugar based

>>14125157
>retarded wig thinks his simplified double digit IQ understanding of food represents reality

>>14126066
>Egypt is now in Europe because the Aryan Yamnaya pastoralists and Anatolian EEF farmers raped my ancestors so hard that my genome is literally half Middle Eastern and I need to do damage control before people figure out my entire racial identity is one huge LARP
biggest cope I've seen in a while.

>>14125157
Lol for a second I thought I wrote this and forgot. Lived in Korea many years and yup same. USA korean restaurants vs Korean are about same. Also, sushi in Japan vs USA is the same (90 percent sushi place in usa owned by Koreans)... Father in law orders pizza in korea, has corn and sweet potatos covered in fake honey... Almost impossible to order pepperoni pizza. Basil does not exist in korea. Also they have no idea about any western herbs. They make great bread though, Japan too.. Dont know why anon had bad bread. Jap/Korean coffee/bread shops are uber based... Koreans make better fried chicken than the world... hmm, yes Jap food is like 5 ingredients over and over and over. In japan I will try and find a subway or mcdonalds after a bit. But we usually get air bnb with kitchen and just go to local market. After 2 weeks in Japan you will get sick of Japanese food.. But first few days its awesome. Egg salad sandwiches are fucking awesome from local 711 or whatnot. Ate whale once..

>>14125157
Based Japan doesn't give a fuck.

>>14129189
famichiki is better than korean

>>14129189
>complains about pizza in Korea not being authentic
>pepperoni pizza
Oh no no no no no