/ck/ - Food & Cooking

because i like real food

>>13960347
Because why should I change my habits for some fad?

>>13960359
But it is real food

Because I’m not a egotistical cunt

>>13960366
It's not a fad

>>13960371
What do you mean by that??

>>13960347
Up next, in this re-run thread:
>LOL VEGANS DUMB
>LOL NO, CARNISTS DUMB

Stick around, someones gonna call someone a cultist real soon, then they'll reply by telling them they've got ass cancer. It's eveyones favourite shitpost; the vegan thread. nananananananananana shit posting WOH YEAH

Hello, fellow vegans. How bad of an idea is it to add pure pea protein to split pea/lentil soup to boost the protein content?

>>13960389
We don't do that in here

Also: pea protein or soy protein? Why is pea protein even a thing? Peas are so much more expensive

>>13960347
I'm already vegan, it feels good making the meat industry sob and go to its knees all because a random refuses to order Jack in the box

>>13960347
Because if I want to actually address the issues the food industry does to the environment, I would be a self-sustaining farmer on my own land with the rest of the bullshit that goes into it.

Being vegan doesn't suddenly make you better than an omnivorous, average American. Mass-scale farming isn't good for the topsoil, it takes away from the wildlife that already isn't in human captivity. If it isn't affecting the wildlife it's affecting third world, poor ass people. Cashew processing is fucked.
What I don't understand is how vegans have the money to eat how they eat and want to act as if they're providing a "service" to the environment and the planet, when it's healthier and in some ways easier to just have a backyard farm. If I have chickens I'm taking care of, I know exactly where I'm getting my eggs, let alone I know how well my chickens would be taken care for. If I raised a pig and slaughtered it for meat, while to some fags they find it cruel, in my eyes it's more ethical than just giving my money over to the meat industry. If I slaughter my own livestock, not only am I eating *my* money, but I'm able to pay better respects to the animal in general because I took care of it.

>>13960515
My man

>>13960643
Veganism isn't about the environment (that's plant-based), it's about the animals. Also most people don't have space, resources, and time to grow their own food

Animal and animal byproducts are too tasty

>>13960347
I like meat AND vegetables

>>13960347
I am, thanks for asking

>>13960347
Because I’m not a fag lmao.

I'm too powerful

>>13960842
Based

>>13960744
>>13960804
>>13960854
>>13960855
Unbased

>>13960643
Miyoko, who is nonwhite herself pays her cashew workers well and even helped with their school and she posted video evidence of her doing it.

Buying miyokos products is ethical because she does help the cashew workers but other sources are sketchy

>>13960857
Two birds one stone, I get to eat well & also laugh at how hard omnis seethe over my choices. Shit rules.

>>13960347
suck my fucking dick

>>13960347
>Why aren't you vegan yet?
the repulsive underlying smugness of this question is also its answer.

>>13960347
because I like meat

>>13960347
Because it just doesn't taste good. And I know what I'm talking about, I've experimented with lots of vegan and vegetarian dishes. The only thing that really works is vegetarian chili and Indian dal.

>>13960389
Did you join some weird anti-fun cult? That seems to have given you severe butt-cancer.

>>13960347
Wait a minute, there is something very wrong here...

How can there be a pizza with cheese on it on a vegan meal?

>>13960347
I love hamburgers simple as

>>13960990
Y’all know non dairy cheese exists, right?

>>13961078
>Y’all know non dairy cheese exists, right?
I did not, actually.

What the hell is it made of if you can't use milk? Even american processed cheese has milk in it.

>>13960347
I could deal with being vegetarian. But vegan is too restrictive to me right now .

>>13961086
Cashew cheese is pretty good

>>13960347
I think the vegan diet is very easy to become malnourished on unless you put in a lot of work. I'm basically a vegetarian though, I eat meat once a week and it's normally kangaroo which is a pest anyway so it's good for the environment to kill. Other than that I eat butter, cheese and eggs occasionally. This way I don't have to worry about meme deficiencies like b12.

It's better for everyone in the world to reduce their meat consumption a little than for a few diehard people to be arseholes and scare everyone else away from plant based diets.

i am

I’ve been trying vegan recipes and most of then are just so bland to me. Outside of vegan-based meat substitutes, I just haven’t had anything that wowed me. Tried some fried chickpeas, tasted weak. Tried a breakfast of vegan only foods but without eggs it was nothing but grains with a lacking amount of protein. I’m planning to try and make a vegan power bowl but trying vegan stuff so far has been a disaster. I think a vegetarian lifestyle is a lot easier

Beyond beef has only 1carb, vegan keto ideas my lads...

>>13961086
A vegan equivalent of most foods exists. Cashew is the best for cheese IMO, I see some soy. Also nutritional yeast is good for stuff like making “cheese” sauce. It’s really surprising how many different ways there are to do it - there’s even pizza chains with vegan options so you don’t have to make it at home if you don’t want to too.

>>13961086
Also “can’t use milk”....
Plant milk is RIGHT THERE, dude.
(Though I will say some are better for cheese, some better for cereal/ice cream/etc)

>>13961086
nuts mostly. its not good.

>>13960389
Sir I find your post most offensive. Also inaccurate.

>>13960347
look at that guy's thumbs

>>13960347
Oh! Raw veggies.
And LOOK! More raw veggies.

>>13961490
Does it taste like cheese?

>>13961532
>nuts mostly. its not good.
Guess not.

>>13961494
>Also “can’t use milk”....
>Plant milk is RIGHT THERE, dude.
No offense, but what you call milk in that case is nothing but a juice made from grains, beans and nuts. There is no way in hell that "plant milk" can possibly be used in the same way milk is.

>>13960347
I’m already vegan, nigger

>>13960347
I'm vegan, you could say I am plant BASED. I eat so many beans.

>>13962416
It does! Melts like cheese too. Some brands are better than others on both counts. (Daiya is awful. It’s the American cheese of nondairy.)

> there’s no way in hell...
Dude. Bro. Braj. Some recipes might be better with specific “milks” (like with baking - or using soy milk for mac and “cheese” cuz it’s a little thicker) but I’ve never had issues cooking with plant milks. No difference or complaints in old recipes I’ve altered to be vegan, either - even when cooking for (picky) omnivores.

>>13962791
Daiya has changed their formulas and released some new cheeses labeled "Cutting Board Collection". They actually have vegan lactic acid to flavor them and melt nicely, it's delicious compared to old Daiya

vegans are fags

>>13962832
Oh thank god. I use it for mac and cheese and it’s good but in any other form I absolutely hate old Daiya. (Why put “it melts!” on the bag if it melts LIKE THAT.)

(I’m partial to Violife most of the time but Daiya is more easily accessible in my area)

>>13960347
Because I'm not gay

>>13960347
Every single vegan "man" I know looks totally emaciated...so no thanks! I like having a modicum of muscle mass and a decent physique, which is apparently impossible to have on a vegan diet

>>13963383
Nigger don't you want to be leeeeeeeeean?

>>13960347
I would soon die if I ate a high carbohydrate diet.

>>13960347
religion is bad and only prevent the progress of manking to betterment.

>>13963514
I'll pass lmao

>>13963383
Since going vegan, my lifts improved. Many other vegans will tell you the same thing. There's quite a lot of vegan weightlifters out there.

I am. Best decision I ever made.

>>13963701
Coming out of the closet or being brainwashed into becoming vegan?

>>13963713
Fucking your mothers rusty snatch

>>13963713
This might be the most insecure post ITT

>>13960347
But I am vegan, OP. It's really quite striking. My physical and mental health improved almost immediately. I've got more money because vegan food is so cheap. I also feel better knowing that I'm harming fewer animals and my carbon footprint is lower than it was. I also joined a local vegan social group, almost all chicks, and got laid twice.
It really did turn my life around.

Faggot cuck vegans. Compare the average vegan to the average carnivore dieter. This guy is in great shape, attractive, in good spirits, pleasing to behold, and doing much better than any vegan.

>>13963745
Well if you're insecure and have mixed feelings inside because of that statement just hide the thread.

>>13963766
>I also joined a local vegan terrorist group

Because it is not a healthy dietary choice, nor is it cheap, unless you're planning on eating junk food all day.

>>13963905
>spotted: anon who lives with his parents
Junk food is more expensive than whole ingredients. Whole vegan ingredients (pulses, nuts, vegetables, grains, fruits) are way cheaper than non-vegan ingredients.

>>13960347
I don't think that image was made by/for actual vegans. There isn't enough protein, but it is colorful. It's a picture of the normie's idea of what a vegan eats.

I'm not vegan because I don't like the idea of supplementation, and don't have the most choices regarding diet and food. I acknowledge the hypocrisy of being an ethical vegetarian (not that that is the only reason why I don't eat meat) while also acknowledging that I am doing the best with what I have. Every little bit does help.

>>13963914
Not really, I am never fully satisfied with a vegan meal unless it's loaded with carbs. Meat is much more nutritionally dense and costs less in case I am trying to fulfill my RDI.
That aside, vegan diets are really unhealthy as they lack many vitamins we would naturally get from meat.

>>13963931
>meat costs less
Couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

>>13963938
it's true though. The shit you need to replace meat is overpriced

>>13963938
It costs less where I live, so I guess you're the one who is wrong? Okay? In case I haven't been clear on this, I usually avoid carbs.

>>13963931
Not who you replied to, but it's not that they lack micros, it's more about bioavailability. It is possible to get all of your micros save for b12 (which is supplemented in many meat sources too) from plant-based sources, but it's a matter of making sure you're getting enough of it and that it's available. minimizing tannins via soaking and rinsing beans, not eating broccoli with spinach so as to not impede iron absorbtion, eating more of a source to account for bioavailability; it's a more difficult diet to be nutritionally complete with, but that doesn't mean that it isn't possible to do it, and that people don't do it.

I've also come across emerging studies that suggest that the body adapts to deficiencies in a vegan diet so has different nutritional needs, which is what I have seen claimed in the carnivore diet also (what little research I have done into that).

I think it's also worth noting that we aren't required to meet 100% of our micros every day and historically we haven't done that as a species, but of course we should always be aware of dietary trends to minimize the chance of nutritional deficiencies.

>>13960394
probably won't taste very good, but try it and report back. I'm also not sure if heat will affect the availability of the protein, you might want to look into that.

>>13963955
How much do the following cost:
>1kg of any meat (dealer's choice)
>1kg of lentils

>>13963956
Where do you live?

>>13963970
Germany, Turkish supermarkets sell minced beef meat for 5€/kg and liver for 8€/kg.

>>13963969
>measuring your macros in kilograms of food

>>13963978
Well fancy that. Lentils are cheaper.
https://www.spicevillage.eu/collections/lentils
Keep failing.

>>13963962
I should note that plant-based sources of b12 exist as well (nutritional yeast immediately comes to mind, but I think there are species of algae that also have b12), but it's still generally recommended that people supplement.

>>13963979
If we do it by macros it's even worse for the meatcucks. Lentils are sold dry and so you get more protein for your money after soaking/cooking them.

>>13963987
I know they're cheaper, but I am not sure what your point is.

>>13963993
The claim that meat costs less is retarded. Vegan food is way cheaper.

>>13963997
But it's also less nutritious.

>>13964011
Also not true.

>>13964024
It is true.

>>13964011
see
>>13963962
And most of the nutrients you get in an omnivorous diet come from plants anyway

I usually stay away from bait threads because there is no real discussion going on in them but only mutual "kys fag" posting. But im in a good mood today and i'll tell you this, op: i will never become a vegan because I dont want to. This is my choice. You decided to become a vegan - good for you, enjoy your meal and your lifestyle. But if being a vegan is your whole personality and you try to force this fact down everyone's throat then you sir are a bufoon and i do not want to talk to you anymore.

>>13964026
Name one way you think non-vegan food is more nutritious than vegan food.

>>13964046
By stating it's just a choice you're implying there's no moral or environmental consequence to your actions, when there clearly are.

>>13964026
>Claim meat is cheaper
>Get proven wrong
>Move onto claiming meat is more nutritious
>Run away when challenged
Surprise surprise. Why are meatcucks like this? No intellectual decency.

>>13963766
Is getting girls easy mode for a male vegan?

>>13964051
>what is liver

Is there a valid cheese alternative that's not second rate.

>>13964218
Holy shit have you read up on how that shit is made?
I mean i get the whole "but it tasting bettur so it ok uga" but if you can knowingly support that force feed fetishism then there is no hope for your soul

>>13962852
Old Daiya is truly something else, it's only similar to cheese in the sense that it's similar to Totinos Party Pizza cheese but worse.

I like new Daiya on pizza, Violife with crackers, and Chao for burritos and sandwiches. Chao melts pretty well and has a "velveeta" like texture.

>>13964229
>Holy shit have you read up on how that shit is made?
>I mean i get the whole "but it tasting bettur so it ok uga" but if you can knowingly support that force feed fetishism then there is no hope for your soul

>>13964215
Yes. I was a bit of an incel beforehand. I'd only had sex twice and I was 26. I'm still awkward as fuck but it's a numbers game. As I said, vegan groups in the last year alone I got laid twice, both early 20s and pretty hot.

>>13964223
Cashew.

>>13964223
Expensive ones like Violife and Miyokos are pretty good. I don't want to sound like Fagusea, but I think that's better left to manufacturers.

>>13964218
Maybe the worst reply imaginable. Are you clinically retarded? There's even advice to limit liver intake to once a week it's so bad for you.

>>13964261
>nutrients are bad for you.
the absolute state of vegtards

I don’t see any need to limit my choices in life. I will eat vegetarian and vegan meals on occasion but I also enjoy meat and dairy, so I won’t be giving them up.

I’ve tried meat alternatives and, while some are tasty if prepared right, they just don’t taste like meat to me. I’ve even been served these alternatives without knowing what they were and in every instance I immediately knew it wasn’t meat. I actually prefer the alternatives that don’t even bother with the pretense of mimicking meat, like good old fashioned tofu and seitan. Tempeh isn’t bad but it upsets my stomach every time.

Dairy alternative on the other hand are tragic! Non-dairy cheese is simply pathetic, it simply cannot compare to the vast world of cheeses around the world. I feel like you’d have to hate cheese to enjoy non-dairy cheese, it just doesn’t even come close. Certain milks like cashew and oat are okay but they just don’t provide that lovely bounce to coffee or cereal. Soy and almond are terrible.

I’ve long since believed that everything is good in moderation. I enjoy seeking out new and diverse culinary treats and a vegetarian, vegan, pescatarian, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, etc diet would be limiting. No thanks, fine for others but I’ve made my choice. I respect your choices, please respect mine.

>>13960347
I am not a faggot.

>>13964238

>>13964160
Because it tast betr me cut throats yum yum

>>13960347
nothing screams victim of modernity like "i am vegan"

>>13960389
You am a the zt00pit dombmy

>>13964450
lets be traditional hang the gays hang the gays marry your children keep slaves

>>13964011
Not true but I swear some of y’all don’t care about nutrition whatsoever until vegans are mentioned.

to make vegan cucks seethe with rage

>>13964501
Eating animals is already the default diet, vegans aren't upset about it

>>13964229
Liver =/= foie gras

Are you intentionally trying to make vegans look bad?

>>13964519
I assume he's getting the shit that goes on your bread

>>13964549
No German would ever call Leberwurst just liver.

>>13964560
>cold liver on bread
Why is German cuisine so revolting? I mean it's objectively the worst. Even American proposes more palatable options than this.

>>13960347
because it's something that only social people do. i also like to stay properly nourished.

Question
Is factory farming necessary?

>>13965288
You can keep quails at home.

>>13965288
If retards want to stuff their faces with meat, then yes. Free range farming is incredibly inefficient and meat would become a luxury good if factory farming were to be abolished.

>>13965308
Is there not a way to improve the conditions of factory farming while reducing cost?

>>13965315
Not reduce but keeping price increases minimal.

Is veganism better than vegetarianism?

>>13960347
>Rice and salad
>And salad
>And salad
>And salad
>Small serving of potatoes
>Pie so bad nobody is touching it
>How the fuck do you get bread to look like that even?
Why don't you just have a beer with some peanuts and olives for your friends? They will enjoy it more

>>13965320
far better, for the environment and morally.

>>13965288
I believe in peoples' inherent freedom to do what they want. So it's never a question of whatever or not something is necessary, it's whether or not it interferes with other peoples' lives in a negative way and how much.

Change peoples' minds about factory farming and make food more affordable (yes it's doable) before trying to enact regulations.

>>13965360
Everyone already wants animals treated better what more can be done to keep prices low?

>>13963370
This

>>13965334
From what I've seen veganism is worse than vegetarianism.

>>13960347
Is it wrong to go to carnist businesses like Taco Bell? Cheesy Bean and Rice burrito no nacho cheese, no creamy jalapeno extra beans add red sauce add potatoes is so good, I always go back every few months.

>>13965462
Cows milk, for example, is significantly worse environmentally than any plant milk.

>>13965474
Vegan diets fill less people than vegetarianism. Ovo and lacto vegetarians are seen as better.

>>13965489
What do you mean fill less people? Vegan diets allow for significantly more food than trying to raise cows for milk.

cuz im not gay

Far better for any future vegan thread, vegan red velvet.

>>13965496
It was shown that vegan diets aren't all that better than omnivorous diets.

Land can only grow so much at one time. And certain crops need to be cycled out.

It was shown that vegetarians are better off with the space that vegans have seeing as they can utilize it more with more food output.

will using plant milk instead of water for cashew cheese make it taste better?

>>13960347
I could go without meat I guess, but muh cheese & milk & eggs. Also, tofu is perishable roof insulation, not food.

>>13965554
shown where?

>>13965583
Tofu is delicious though.

>>13965634
https://thecounter.org/does-veganism-save-more-land/

because Im gonna move to a farm, get livestock, use it to regenerate the environment, and then eat them. Leaving this urban shithole in 4 days.

>>13965705
Wew post updates. How are you moving to a farm? Relatives?

>>13963774
He looks like a child molester

>>13965712
Yep! Been wanting to leave for a while and I have been camping out at my boyfriends dads farm for almost a decade now. Neither of us like the city. I regret not doing this a long time ago.

>>13965474
Not if its not idea of a life to spent your whole existence locked into a 1*2m area where you will eat, shit and most importantly have your milk sucked out of you

Enjoy life.

>>13965750
Are you vegetarian? Have you worked on a farm before? Do you plan on taking over with your boyfriend?

Are you marrying your boyfriend? You know so you have options if it doesn't work out? I imagine you wont be able to live there if something goes wrong.

>>13965681
man that's a weird study. The theory is that grazing land not suitable for crops gives an advantage to raising grazing animals for the vegetarian diets. But it only sources what is currently used for crops and what is currently used for grazing, and doesnt actually establish its assumption that land used for animals isnt suitable for crops. It even specifies perennial land, that is suitable for crops but is used for animal foraging, but is still subtracted from the vegan diets available land use.

>Cropland in perennial forages included hay crops and grazing on land "which could be cropped" but is used for pasture.

>The ovolacto- and lacto-vegetarian diets used about half of the cropland restricted to perennial forages, while the vegan diet used none of the restricted cropland.

because I'm an omnivore, and I fill the niche of eating fucking everything

>>13960347
I like steak

>>13965827
I eat meat, can't physically or emotionally function without it. I've worked with small livestock but my boyfriend grew up doing farm work so he could help me learn. I will marry him when I find a reason to, we have been living together 10 years. Marriage on its own doesn't necessarily keep people together.

>>13966228
Wait are you the ratposter or someone using his pics to hide their identity?
Anyway lots of people are addicted to meat and many vegans ate meat. You're not shocking anyone

>>13965767
> 1*2m area where you will eat, shit and most importantly have your milk sucked out of you

Sounds like life of your average NEET.

>>13966250
You don't know my health or my story. I know the difference between addiction and actually needing something in order to improve the quality of my life.

He is not a rat he is a mouse. Please learn how to properly identify common animals.

>>13966275
What's his name? The mouse I mean.
Congratulations then.
I'm only asking about the boyfriend situation because marriage at least means you get something if the situation changes. Yes marriage doesn't = lasting relationship. But it does mean stability and money/property. Which is important if you have no back up plans.

>>13966275
Anyway, everyone eats meat already so you aren't angering any vegans. Vegans also see people eat meat too, since apparently you forgot that

>>13966300
I try to keep the household 50/50. So I wouldn't get anything regardless of the legal status of our relationship. Maybe with the move or kids I'd marry, but for now I have no reason.

His name is Greybeard. He is my livestock (professional compost producer)

>>13966320
I'm not interested in angering vegans, I'm interested in people with different nutritional philosophies finding common ground and uniting in wanting to escape our mess of a globalized industrialized food system that is destroying our environment and our food sovereignty.

>>13966520
>I'm interested in people with different nutritional philosophies finding common ground and uniting in wanting to escape our mess of a globalized industrialized food system that is destroying our environment and our food sovereignty.
Hey someone I agree with in this bait thread, that doesn't happen often. Vegans who buy industrialized food/produce and meat "substitutes" are just as bad as "carnists" who think it's sustainable to eat factory meat everyday.

>>13960347
Because I dont extend morality (a human convention) to animals and nature, which so clearly lacks it. Not to say that morality is irrational or useless, but it’s an artifice like paper money. It only works if everybody buys into. If you’re doing this for environmental reasons, that’s okay but not the too convincing like >>13960643 said. Animal husbandry isn’t inherently harmful to the environment and desu im glad vegans exists because it puts a load off from the meat industry. I wish there were more and more vegans so that cheap factory meat can decrease and organically grown, free range meat becomes more common place than it already is. I have zero issue paying a premium for meat or reducing my intake.
However, if you’re doing it for “moral reasons” you’re spooked, anon. That’s all I can say. Animals and Nature will never extend the same courtesy to you, voiding the whole purpose of moral actions. You have to believe either explicitly or implicitly in something metaphysical like the soul, karma or “the form of the good” in order to really get any kind of reward from such actions. Im good to other people because I want them to he good to me. The only thing I can get from animals is food and resources.

>>13966579
Yeah I mean, I have a vegan sister and she eats like shit (fake meat and fake eggs). When she comes to my farm I will make her the best fucking vegan food in the world. Even if you are only eating plants you need to respect the ingredients that go into your food.

Just spending 50% of your food money on locally sourced ingredients and learning about the millions of different types of farming and homesteading can be a great first step into ethical consumerism.

>>13965705
You should get chickens instead of rats though

I am vegan. when i am consuming plant based foods, im vegan. when im consuming meat alone, im a carnivore. when im eating a combination, im an omnivore. worrying about what you eat is insane. eat what you like and leave the rest. your body and taste buds will direct you to whats appropriate, along with information from your brain. its all good, relax.

Was vegan for about 7 years. Gained a shitload of weight and started feeling like shit. Stopped a few years ago and now trying carnivore diet for a month. I feel better now than I have in years.

>>13965583
Eggs & milk are just as unnecessarily cruel as meat, and both fuel the meat industry as well. (Veal! Male chicks being ground up! Oof.)

>>13960347
I dont want to restrict the culinary chices I have. I dont care about un-domesticated animals. Meat tastes cash

>>13960347
Why would I be

Because I'm not gay.

meat tastes good

>>13966520
Vegans want to -
A-- have meat banned for starters. By force, fraud, lies, propaganda, marketing whatever it takes.
B- want us dead.

There is no common ground with a virulent enemy.

there's no upside to being a vegan, if you're a non vegan you can eat all vegan food AND eat meat, so what's the point of being vegan?

>>13967897
Deep tilling grinds up rabbits, mice, snakes, and fawns for every vegan meal you gobble up. Funny how vegans pretend to care about animals, while paying farmers to gas, shoot, trap, and grind them up with intensive harvesting methods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovGHKr-NoqQ

>>13968810
Yes to A, no to B.

>>13968810
would you agree to hunting only type lifestyle
no factory farming, maybe the occasional small business butcher and hunting, with regulations in place so that the deer don't go extinct in one year?

>>13968820
>so what's the point of being vegan?

Are you a self-obsessed anorexic who upends your entire life to being as absolutely skinny as possible at any cost whatsoever? If so Veganism is for you!

>>13968825
Of course not. Would you agree to an end of all mechanized farming methods? Would you agree to the complete banning of all pesticides?

>>13968827
This myth has been solidly debunked at this point.

>>13968845
Veganism is a anorexia cult fàm. FREELEE and Dr dray- (the Anorexic dermatologist, not the fake vegan rapper) are two of the biggest vegan leaders. I argue that FREELEE is the leader of the vegan cult, but that is just an argument, you might consider male Anorexic earthling Ed to be the leader? Or some other nutjob?

>>13968885
>two of the biggest vegan leaders
I'm vegan and never heard of them. I would imagine 99% of vegans have never heard of them. I've heard of Earthling Ed (much more famous than the other two you mentioned) but wouldn't consider him a leader, no.

>>13968895
I qualified the "FREELEE is the leader of Veganism" that it is just my argument. If anorexics FREELEE and earthling Ed (a male female btw) are not the leaders of Veganism, who is?

I could argue that FREELEE has ended the term "ethical vegan" and now all vegans are frothing ethical vegans as a standard thing.

>Veganism is not a diet, it's a lifestyle.

The vegan diet is not a diet?

>>13968832
yes

>>13960347
Because animal products taste good.

>>13960347
I'm at high risk for oxalate stones and would rather kill myself than be one of you faggots while also growing rocks inside of my fucking body.

I'm a vegan but I do consume meat, cheese, fish, eggs, etc. I mean I support the cause but a man's gotta eat.

>>13968976
It would make all vegetables, bread etc cost 25x more than it does now.

>Here is your kale salad sir, that will be $500.

>>13968957
You sound pretty deranged matey. I've never heard of freelee, and vegans don't have a leader any more than tennis players do. What on earth is a "male female."

>>13969014
A vegan.

>>13969019
This is retarded. Most vegans don't look like this, and most meat eaters aren't morbidly obese. Most people, from any diet, just look like normal people.

>>13969019
would fuck/10

>>13969025
Yes they do, you need to get out more.

>>13969031
For example, a youtube search for vegan pizza recipe got these videos as top three results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RdKPHibSME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpPs8uqGRQE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOGSejnBObc

Amazing, they don't look anorexic, they don't look diseased, they just look like normal people. You have significant issues my man.

>>13969025
The new vegans OK. The long term vegans start to take on a certain "look" ... that vegan glow.

>>13969040
No, no they don't. How much time do you spend on this weirdass vegan boogeymonster you've dreamed up?

>>13969044
I don't have a job

>>13969044
How much time should I spend fighting a cult that's threatening my health?

>>13960347
I regret adopting to being a vegan too late in life, I was vegetarian from the age of 15 and the only animal products sparingly. Started eating seafood again around 24-25? plus adopting a more streamlined consumer diet. Only did that for a few months and felt shit so I decided to go fully vegan (soy free too, mainly wholefoods) and havent regretted it. I eat alot more now, no regrets besides not having stasrted sooner.

>>13969037
I love vegan compilations. You got any more?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnPZgLHHWQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Wry4ppywQ

>>13960347
Does anyone have any questions about growing up with vegan parents? I usually get bombarded when I tell friends or coworkers.
They made the switch when I was 11 before you ask if I was depraved of essential nutrients as an infant. For context I don't talk to either one anymore so it's open season on what it was actually like

>>13969063
These are pretty obvious cherry picks and don't represent the average vegan. Again, if I search for something normal I find more representative examples. Search for "my favorite vegan meal" and I find this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PfyCWTEe18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKfy7De909Q

The average vegan looks perfectly normal. You might not like it, but it's true.

>>13960347
I think once that whole "transitioning over" vegan phase (mock meats & dairy) dies out I think veganism will have a bit more credibility to its name instead of it just being an alternative/replacement diet.

>>13960347
eggs are the most economic source of protien and essencial for a range of dishes

Animal fast are important for preserving a range of...uh...other animal products.

Basically I don't want to be eating grass all day like a cow or nuts like a monkey

>>13969154
>most economic source of protein
>eggs
not even close.

>>13969172
Peanuts in their shell, 500grams for $6. Amiright?

>>13960347
Because meat is awesome and gives me more variety in my cooking, and because I don't mind certain animals (chickens, cows, pigs, fish) getting slaughtered or being kept in inhumane ways.
I get the jist about the good environmental effects of eating less meat, and maybe with a strong enough backing the general culture, I would even cut meat from my diet, but IMO we're nowhere close to the point where an individual would make a difference in this regard. Kinda like pollution: I use less plastic now, but as long as corporations and huge countries don't back the cause up, it hardly matters unfortunately.

>>13960347
Because I like meat and am not a girl.

>>13969066
Did you feel any instinkitive desire for meat once you were deprived?
Did you voice your objections to Veganism and get shut down?
Or did you go with the flow and suffer?
Describe your parents health Arc since they went vegan?
Are you vegan still? What about your health?

>>13960347
i was vegan for 7 years of my life until i got a boyfriend and he was obviously not vegan and i wanted to be a good girlfriend for him and decided to quit so i can learn how to cook him his favourite dishes and make big hearty meals for our future family
i still cook with alot of vegetables but i want him to have all the proteins he needs

>>13969081
You might not care, but YouTube hides all the vegan channels with the sickly weirdos from all searches. If you search vegan anything like you just did, only healthy looking vegans show up as you found.

To find the sickly vegans like Arnold Kaufman you have to know who they are, Google will never suggest them or even provide them on direct searches.

Search for "sickly vegans?"

You get vegan videos "debunking" the "are vegans unhealthy?" Question.

It's funny how YouTube doesn't delete the sickly vegan channels, but they shadow/hide them so no casual viewers ever see it.

>>13969063
I love this one. Really goes to show you that it's not just a starvation cult, but a depopulation one as well

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JIskI6jf_mk

Then again, most vegans don't see anything wrong with infertility so

>>13969300
>youtube conspiracy to make vegans look normal
sure Jan

>>13969303
Veganphobic is a based black dude. This video shows what Veganism does- sterilization of white women.

How is Veganism not white genocide? This video shows that Veganism makes young wamens infertile, during the brief time in life when women are fertile.

>I was infertile for 6 years during my 20s!

>>13960347
Humans were made to eat meat. It is also the most bio-available way to get amino acids and vitamin b-12. And tastes fucking cash af.

>>13969308
Test it yourself. Try to find any of the sickly vegans through search. You can't. (Most you might find is Sverige videos, who is a carnivore)

>Search for "sickly vegans"
>All healthy looking vegans show up

>>13969323
I searched for freelee, the vegan you seemed most angry about, and she popped up straight away.
Maybe youtube just returns the most popular and relevant results, and the handful of unhealthy vegans on the fringe don't reflect that.

>>13969333
>To find the sickly vegans like Arnold Kaufman you have to know who they are, Google will never suggest them or even provide them on direct searches.

Like I said....

>>13966952
That's the plan. He's a mouse btw.

>>13969394
so if nobody is coming across them (until you yourself start talking about them) then what's the problem?

>>13968810
I agree that militant extreme vegans who usually have other underlying mental health issues take on a very misanthropic, black and white view of the world. But that's most extremists. Fortunately, veganism does have some semblance of a grey area in it's followers. 80% of people who try the diet don't hold the label after 10 years. And there are a few people who abstain from animal products who are aware that what they are doing is a personal choice and there are better ways to improve the quality of life of our livestock and wildlife for the people who can't live that kind of lifestyle for whatever reason.

Many vegans I engage with ALWAYS talk about our horrible hellscape factory farms, but they very seldom talk about other ways to not support those farms. You CAN buy animals that were not raised in confinement, or in farrowing crates, or pumped full of antibiotics and hormones and feed additives and gmo grains. You can support heritage breeds of livestock, which are overall superior in quality and many heritage breeds of animals are actually endangered.

I invite all vegans to ask questions without immediate answers. How SHOULD our domestic animal allies be raised?

>>13969456
You could do that, or you could just be vegan...

>>13969505
No

>>13969535
Keep doing the somersaults to try and get around the obvious answer then.

>>13960347
Easy. It would be a betrayal of all of our ancestors will to overcome whatever the fuck opposed them in the world. We can eat all meat because we've conquered all creatures.

>>13969423
The problem is not the sickly vegans duh. They are their own problem. The problem is that vegan agenda trolls run the entire "health and diet" infrastructure of the country.

I don't care if vegans want to starve themselves and die. I do care if vegans use power and the law to force me into (((their))) starvation cult.

>>13969554
going vegan isn't the obvious answer. You can be a vegan and easily contribute to just as much suffering as a meat eater.

Maybe you are the one doing somersaults trying to justify that veganism is an obvious answer. And an answer to what? Animal suffering? Animal exploitation? Environmental destruction? Is it really though?

>>13969456
>Many vegans I engage with ALWAYS talk about our horrible hellscape factory farms, but they very seldom talk about other ways to not support those farms.

Because vegans don't give a single fuck whatsoever, they just want meat banned. "Factory farm abuse" is just their go-to emotional propaganda hook, it's effective. Vegans don't actually give a fuck neither way.

>√ou CAN buy animals that were not raised in confinement, or in farrowing crates, or pumped full of antibiotics and hormones and feed additives and gmo grains. You can support heritage breeds of livestock, which are overall superior in quality and many heritage breeds of animals are actually endangered.

Vegans give absolute 0.00000 fucks about this. Vegans themselves gas , shoot, and plow up billions of animals in their pea-protein fields. Zero fucks given, by them.

>I invite all vegans to ask questions without immediate answers. How SHOULD our domestic animal allies be raised?

Vegans answer is- humanely, not for food, sterilized and gone from the planet. Veganism is a satanic cult for radical leftists, none of whom are looking for any sensible answers.

No matter how much you might resemble one, we didn't spend all that time evolving incisors/canine teeth just to chew on a leaf like a bloody cow.

>>13960347
All my lifts dropped and the food didn't taste nearly as good. I have no reason to try it again because I really don't give a fuck about animals.

>>13969295
Pathetic and disgusting.

>>13969653
Delirious post

>>13969040
Look at someone like Vegan Gains or Chocolate covered Katie. Both have been vegan for near a decade and look youthful and healthy. Maybe less so Vegan Gains because he is fat as fuck now, but that is still the opposite of frail and malnourished.

>>13968885
Dr.Dray is no where near one of the biggest vegan leaders, what a retarded post. Her channel is focused on skincare and has very little to do with veganism at all, other then that she shows what she eats and uses vegan products.

>>13969707
Our canines aren't exactly the best. There are literal herbivores with sharper teeth than us.

>>13960347
I like eggs.

>>13963774
that hairline

>>13960347
I am son, keep up the good work.

>>13970040
It's a powerful hairline. Meat improves your hair that's why his is so good.

>>13969905
you sound mad that your gf eats meat and wont cook you a veggie steak.

>>13971731
My gf is a vegan and doesn't have a stinky carnist pussy like you.

>>13970101
he has been going bald for long, possibly for the avidin in raw eggs, but comes to think that there are baldies on every diet, and on veganism even young wamen go bald

Once I went to a vegan fair for 4 days (I work as a salesperson at a vegan cosmetic company). Most of the time I was doing pretty good because it was located inside an university and its cafe had all kinds of cheap/tasty meals and snacks for sale. The last day was a Sunday, and my beloved cafe was closed, so the only options were the vegan meals/snack available at the fair.
Besides being bland and expensive, they just didn't make me feel full at all, I felt hungry all day long even though I was eating every 2 hours. I'm just glad I didnt pay for them...

>>13972263
Fattychan, how can you not feel full from beans?

>>13960347
I wasn't raised a single mother.

Vegan males are predominantly fatherless, looking for honour values and meaning they were denied as a boy. Very sad. The statistics on this are... staggering.

>>13968821
And that’s unavoidable for the most part. Raising and killing animals specifically to eat them is easily avoidable.

I’m so tired of this take, every omnivore acting like vegans are the only people consuming vegetables and grains so y’all can start yammering about field mice and think you have any sort of high ground.

>>13968821
Anyways, blow me. It happens, and it would be better if no animal was harmed period - but bringing that up like it’s breaking news is almost as stupid as eating animals in the first place.

https://www.theflamingvegan.com/view-post/Vegan-Mythbusting-1-Are-wild-animals-killed-when-grain-is-harvested-for-vegans

https://freefromharm.org/common-justifications-for-eating-animals/comparing-animal-deaths-production-plant-animal-foods/

>>13969295
Imagine having a gf who doesn't stick by any principles. I couldn't respect a woman like that.

>>13972327
Could you link me the stats on this?

>>13973338
too bad you're a beta

I really enjoy dairy. Cheese and yogurt is too good.

>>13973478
>having zero moral core guiding your life
>alpha
nope. Not even vegan but flakiness isn't an alpha trait.

Ill start caring about the morality of killing animals for cheap food when my own living conditions improve. We'll see how that goes AFTER I win the lottery

>>13973505
You sound like Greta Thunberg. Imagine being this entitled.

>>13973125
>hiring planes to gas animals is unintentional
The cognitive dissonance within the vegan community lol