/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>13889357
Does anyone have any recommendations for German rosteries that aren't super expensive?
I've been shopping at The Barn for the last couple years but wiith Corona I don't really have the money to splurge on coffee to that degree anymore.
15~20€ for 250g is just too much long term when I could be laid off any day right now

>>13889357

>>13889357
Just tried to make dalgona, but failed miserably. Going to try again when I have instant and a stick beater.
>>13890029
Same

>>13889357
i was hoping for some coffee i could froth on. i am disappoint.

bouta buy a couple pounds of coffee from based S&W Roasting

Coffee sucks, I'll stick to my sips thanks

Augie's out of Redlands, CA
I've been making Mochas and Cappuccinos.

>>13891423
Looks cool. I feel like you could make it look like a rose with a latte pick. Hope your dealing with Corona chan alright.

>>13889357
I just buy whatever cheap pre-ground stuff is at the supermarket. What's important is the brewing method. My Aeropress crushes it in that regard and I get tasty coffee every morning without spending a fortune.

im out of paper filters for drip, some stores don't have it and others have lines so long that i'd have to wait to damn long just to get filters. can i use paper towels or is there a better way?

STOP MAKING FUCKING DALGONA THREADS NOBODY LIKES YOUR STUPID MEME COFFEE YOU DUMB FAGGOT

>>13891871
Only if it's Charmin

>>13891423
What type of chocolate do you use, anon?

>>13891871
Coffeesock? Have any pantyhose laying around?

Hey guys, what are some good beans for drip coffee that taste strong/very strong (dark roasted mostly).

>>13892843
Yikes

>>13889357
Been drinking Folger's 1850 Black Gold out of a moka pot and it's not the worst thing in the world. It is very smooth very dark, but there is something distinct to it that let's you know it is still folgers. My regular coffee shop where I get beans is closed.

>>13892843
just buy instant coffee

Is there a way to make bad coffee taste good? What I mean is, something like foldgers just seems to taste like pure ass no matter what I do or how I brew it. Coffee pot, pour over, moka, foldgers (and the like) all just taste fucking bad, burnt, trash shit.

However a low priced coffee like Cafe Bustelo actually tastes quite good, IMO, if I make it in my moka pot or use it in my cheap espresso machine. I don't think the price point of CB is the problem, as it seems to be a pretty good quality coffee regardless. But maxwell house or foldgers or whatever the fuck just tastes so bad no matter what. Is there anything to do about it?

I get high quality coffees all the time, but when I'm at the store just picking up some cheap shit, besides CB, I never know what to get. Though Trader Joes beans are pretty good. What do you guys use as cheap shit??

>>13891423
that shit any good? its been recommended to me on trade coffee but i havent made an order on anything yet.

>>13894254
Do you get the shit quality beans whole bean or do you get it ground?

>>13894254
>I never know what to get
Just don't get any? What is the point of wasting money on shit coffee?

>>13892843
Just use more grounds or less water. Strength is mostly brew ratio.

>>13893149
Folgers is pretty honestly.

>>13895233
pretty dry*

do i need to clean my new grinder?

i just got a kinu m47 phoenix
manual says to never expose the guts to water and it doesn't even mention washing the hopper before use

do i really not gotta worry about machining lubricants etc on the burrs?

i'm going to wash out the plastic hopper anyway

>>13895752
You'll have to re lube it if you wash it. Youre not supposed to wash it because the lube keeps the burrs moving smoothly with the main rod in the chamber. Without it, itll squeak and catch itself and ruin the grinder. However, you can use a paper towel to wipe leftover coffee grounds out if you want, using compressed air outside is a little better imo.

>>13895792
ok

i see misc dust and particles from packing and whatever inside the chamber but i guess i'm just going to not give a shit and enjoy my dust coffee

>>13895752
holy shit this fucker grinds so much quicker and easier and visibly more consistent than my porlex mini

very impressed so far

but not looking forward to having to dial in my procedure again

>>13895945
Real easy to disassemble and clean. Also I just don't. The bottom of your catchcup pops out for whatever reason and

>not looking forward to having to dial in my procedure again

Just use the grinder. Your day 1 setting will not be your day 30 setting since the burrs will gradually break in.


>holy shit this fucker grinds so much quicker and easier and visibly more consistent than my porlex mini

>very impressed so far

Can we sticky this?

>>13891871
Just buy a cloth reusable filter. You will never(well until the filter goes bad) have to buy another filter again.

>>13896006
>Can we sticky this?
i mean i don't think i regret starting with an entry-level grinder for a quarter of the price
it still got me better coffee than i would have brewed with my $20 electric blade grinder
$200 on a hand grinder for fancylad coffee is clearly a decadent and indulgent purchase and i can only rationalize it now because i have a new job
although i am thinking about all the time i would have saved if i had a bigger grinder to begin with

what the fuck is cheap instant coffee made out of? i have this poverty brand called Hacienda. it doesnt taste like coffee, it tastes like a mug of watery dirt. i had 6 cups of it yesterday and felt zero caffeine effect. honestly dont' think this shit is even actual coffee and i'm slightly concerned.

>>13891589
I'll try it out. I have plenty of free time with the wife out of work.

>>13892083
I was using Parliament chocolate out of Redlands, but they had a vivid related closure. So now I'm using that Torani shit, or just making Cappuccinos.
javas

>>13894984
Augie's is very good. But I'm no expert, so my opinion isn't the best to go by.

>>13895752
It's like a cast iron pan, it needs a layer of bean oil seasoning or it rusts, which is why they say not to wash it. Between uses just flip it over and dump out any large pieces and dust left over and get a small paintbrush or something to sweep out the inside with occasionally.

>>13895752
>hopper
btw i meant the catch cup/receiver, not the hopper
the part that catches the grinds, you know

>>13896115
>entry-level grinder for a quarter of the price
it still got me better coffee than i would have brewed with my $20 electric blade grinder

But significantly worse than just buying beans at the grocery store and using tried and true bunn burrs.

>although i am thinking about all the time i would have saved if i had a bigger grinder to begin with

Ding ding. Buy once, cry once. I'm debating between the skale 2 and the acaia lunar right now. Both apparently hook up to the $410 smart espresso profiler. $145 difference between stupid fucking bluetooth scales, but the sep app is supposedly fantastic and works for pourover too. Seems to completely eliminate all the complaints with acaias shitty apps, but if I get the cheaper skale 2 I can get a stagg ekg for the same price. I'll probably end up getting lunar+sep+ekg, but the point of my dumb tangent is to think through your purchases. Lidobro makes me giggle every time he bitches.


Bonus pic, trying to grow oyster mushrooms on my grounds. Seems like its going to work.

>>13896417
>Day 238
I punch myself until I am bruised and bleeding every time that I think about buying this. I cannot even begin to describe how much I hate OrphanEspresso. Hate is too soft a word. Abhor is too soft a word. Loathe is too soft still. There is no word for the constant burning that I feel within my soul whenever I even think about this thing. There is not like a normal loss, with stages of grief. I will never move past the anger stage, and that anger grows exponentially with each passing moment. I will never forgive them and I will never forgive myself.

>>13896313
>torani shit
desu, you might be better off using a better than average chocolate from your grocer than premade syrup

>>13895752
based LUM poster

>>13896479
I'll v60 some shitty dark roast in your honor.

Drinking some afternoon black coffee right now.

>>13895820
Blow it out with compressed air like a normal person.

>>13896479
>>13896417
btw i was here a few days ago asking about a lido 3 vs a kinu and it was /ctg/ that made my mind
still don't understand why he hates his grinder but
based disgruntled lido user

but yeah i get it
under certain circumstances, buy once cry once is the way to go, but not necessarily if you don't even know if you're going to commit to the task

serious question why are you buying a smart scale

>>13896720
https://youtu.be/ckBWoRHkUZ4

https://www.naked-portafilter.com/product/smart-espresso-profiler-for-machines-with-removable-pressure-gauge-thread-size-g-3-8-and-for-our-kits-flair-espresso-maker-modern-lever-group/

Thats as far as I can take the flair and its a direct swap into an old la pavonni when I get bored and feel like restoring one.

Hows it look? Did I fuck up?

I just tried the James Hoffman iced v60 recipe for the first time and am blown away. I'm not usually huge on iced coffee but this is some of the best I've ever had.

>just opened a new bag of Guatemala
>oh yeah
>I'll probably keep getting this until the stay at home order is lifted. It's the only local stuff that's available in grocery stores and all the coffee shops here are closed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PApBycDrPo0

>>13896766
Looks like it's quite low quality green and pretty dark for my tastes. I can count at least a dozen quakers in that shot alone.

>>13896766
Slightly uneven, but thats to be expected at the lighter ends of the roast(or with blends). Nice little wrinkling. What beans are they and how long did you roast?

>>13896871
Well that sucks then
>>13896995
Well thats alright then

Primos Arabica, roasted them in a Fresh Roast SR540. 2 minutes 9/9, 2 minutes 8/8, 1:30 7/7, 1:30 6/6, 1:30 5/5, then through the cool cycle for 3 minutes.

If its uneven, I might try to keep the fan higher next time.

Roasted some Colombia Buesaco Alianza de Granjeros from Sweet Marias today

>>13897019
Here's my last roast. Peru Don Rigoberto from sm. I'm down to my last 2 jars so I'll probably get another roast in tomorrow. Got my antenna extension wires so hopefully that eliminates my bluetooth woes.

>>13897034
Looks great. Report back with some tasting notes in a few days.

>>13897112
I've roasted this one a couple times now I really like it has some good carmel notes.

>>13897034
Is that one of those stainless steel camping cups with a folding handle?

I'm sorry I just go /out/ a lot and have one.

>>13897488
Sorry for samefagging; been drinking stone Lavazza Roja or something like that out of my Moka pot and French press. I grind it up with a cheap hand grinder. The best stuff I can get is fresh beans, but this isn't too bad at all.

EVERYONE ITT IS A DRUG ADDICT

you only feel tired and shitty in the morning because you are a fucking drug addict jonesing for a fix of his poison of choice. You think you are tired but you are just addicted.

>>13897558
Literally nobody stated they felt tired and shitty in the morning, schizo. Like most people here I just enjoy the taste of coffee every once in a while.

>>13897742
Ignore them. There's always a few haters that post bait like this. Its best to ignore them.

What's my best option for a gooseneck kettle for pour overs?
Any wortwhile options under $100?

ever since covid-19 struck and i ran out of masks i've had to resort to using my coffee cone-style filters to slow the spread of disease. Even though its not perfect, i'm glad im able to do my part to FLATTEN THE CURVE. Let's do this America.

>>13898893
Literally any gooseneck kettle is fine so long as you heat up the water in it. If you're using it for pourovers the water will be around the right temp right out of the spout after boiling anyway.

>>13898893
Just get an electric kettle desu.
It's a massive QoL upgrade.

There's pretty cheap ones with proper temperature control so you will consistently always have the temperature you set it at without having to fuck around at your stovetop.
They are a lot quicker too.

>>13898893
Bonavita BV382510V.

so this whipped coffee stuff.. if it's just an aerated mixture thing, could i freeze it and make some kind of icecream?

what about if i replaced the water for milk?

>>13896417
acaia lunars not worth it and neither is any smart scale. I worked with lunars for years and they're extremely fragile the rate at which we replaced them was fucking stupid little cheapo scales off amazon last longer only downside is not rechargable spending on a smart scale for manual espresso is dumb there's too many variables involved especially for a flair

>>13894254
Usually the answer here is to make the coffee extra strong and then use milk or a creamer. I prefer my coffee black, but bad coffee is when I’ll splurge a bit, maybe some sugar too.

>>13899649
https://youtu.be/WHmpgMsW-aA

>>13895752
>t.barista
you can get pellets to clean out grinders, usually made of dried and compressed rice. Run them through to help get old beans out.
Only issue is you'll have to waste beans to them clear it out before grinding your beans again

>>13889357
I'm planning on making coffee jelly but the poor way because I'm poor.

So I'll pour some instant coffe, put some sugar, throw some agar agar in and let it settle in the fridge.
How do you reckon it'll turn out?
Please answer otherwise I'll have to make a thread about this

>>13899695
I'll get the scale 2 if it fits properly under the flair. I k ow the lunar does. Only complaint I'd heard about the lunar was acaia makes 8 apps and they all blow cock. Skale 2 is another chinkshit app, but its apparently compatible with the she profiler according to a YouTube comment by the dev.

>>13900437
Some things in life weren't meant to be mixed together

>>13900560
Coffee+sugar+cream doesn't sound so bad to me. Is it the gelling agent that throws you off?

>>13897019
It doesn't look unevenly roasted. Not likely you'd get that in an air roaster. What makes it look uneven is the huge amount of quakers and underripe seeds. Those end up coming out very light in color or somewhat light in color.

That your coffee is just called "Primos Arabica" does not inspire confidence in the quality of the green. For instance, good quality green coffee will say the country, region, maybe even farm or mill it came from, and the varietals that it is made up of.

Saying that it's arabica means it's likely very low grade, or they would say what it is.

>>13900589

>>13897112
See, this looks much more "even" because the green coffee is likely better quality. Evenness in an air popper is kind of trivial to achieve.

>>13897034
Looking dark dark

>>13899765
These can just make it worse and even damage your burrs. If your burrs need a clean, just get in there with a brush. Cleaning burrs doesn't do much, especially if you work with lighter roasts. It will look clean until you grind coffee again, then it will be about the same.

>>13900548
Why spend as much on a scale as you do on your espresso machine? Chinks make some cheap but functional scales for less than a tenth of the price.

Any hand grinder recs? How big of an impact would it make to upgrade from my cheap javapresse hand grinder.? Budget ~$100

>>13900620
I've got a chink 0.01 jewelers scale. Seprofiler+smartscale is the furthest you can take fully manuals like flair/ROK/robot while still providing a clear, yet unnecessary, upgrade path to a restored vintage lever. Money isn't an issue, I was looking at de-1s before I decided on the flair. Did you watch Hoffman's review of the profiler or are you just in a contrarian mood?

>>13900620
Just to drive the point home, I've got $700 insoles in $100 nikes. Those insoles outlast several pairs of shoes, and are 'hotswappable' into any pair I wear. No modification will be done to the flair, and I can sell it at any time for at most a $10 loss from what I paid. Digital pressure transducer + smart scale = as repeatable as you can get with fully manual. Knowing Gabor, he's working on temp integration right now.

>>13900688
Gotcha. Moreso I didn't read the whole post string that I had replied to. Didn't realize that you had that specific setup in mind. Instead, I figured you were making the silly min/max choice that people make when they buy a stagg ekg and a pearl, but will use an encore. I can see what you're going for.

Side question: What made you go this route over the de?

>>13900605
That makes sense.

My next bag is from this place called Sweet Marias, hopefully its a better quality bean

I made my first dalgona last night and it was quite nice...

>>13900809
Decent may be headquartered in hong kong, but its still chink shit. Doesn't matter who endorses it or takes a check to be called an "ambassador". The flair is meme chink shit, but I could brain an entire line of starbucks customers, set it on the counter, and pull a fantastic shot with no issues. There's nothing to break. I'd rather deal with sourcing some orings than a random capacitor going out and decent refusing to honor the warranty. I think I have to go with the lunar over the pearl due to clearance issues. Not sure about the skale 2. I need to bust out the tape measure. SEprofiler is backordered for a while, so I'm in no rush. Getting the skale 2 also gives me a "free" ekg, and if Mikalos can fix the junk acaia apps, maybe he can make the ekg+ not trash by integrating into his app?

>>13900831
Sweet marias has been around forever. Customers who used to chat over their newsletter email list started home-roasters forum, and early members of that forum started greencoffee.coop soon after. Real good company, you pay sliiiiiiiightly more but apparently they're not fucking the farmers over.

>>13901074
Makes sense. Although do you think it's that likely that it would break quickly with home use? And couldn't you afford to fix it if it did?

What kind of coffees have you been drinking lately?

>>13901199
If they can save 15 cents on a resistor, they're going to. I can fix about anything, its just whether or not I want to get a headache doing it. Shipping a $2200 unit back to hong kong for diagnosis sounds like a headache I don't need to bother with. I toss my flair in its case then in my suitcase when I fly and my hotels have always put a kettle in my room. Couldn't be more simple.

>What kind of coffees have you been drinking lately?

I've got 4lbs pulled that I didn't quite vac seal all the way, so I'm busting into those as soon as I'm done with the peruvian.

COLOMBIA - FINCA EL RETIRO(washed)
Ethiopian Koke (Honey)
Brazil Yellow Bourbon (Semi-Washed)(Farm: Marimbondo Farm)
Brazil Maragogipe (Elephant Bean)(Sta. Edwireges Farm)

>>13898923
nice
Looks like you have access to a 3d printer as well, good job lad you're already ahead of the curve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuFQbiIVUkw

Kek. Hopefully none of you bongs over the pond fell for this.

>>13889357
Can anyone give me exact 3- and 6 cup Chemex dimensions? The top diameter specifically. I'm looking for a jug for Aeropress and I'm considering buying Chemex but I suspect Aeropress won't fit the bigger one and I've heard bad opinions about the smaller one (just because it has different angle).

>>13901883
Just buy the Chemex then throw away your Aeropress and use the Chemex to brew from then on.

>>13900659
Timemore, easy. All the paid Kinu shills are autists who will pay $500 for a fucking SMART scale. If you enjoy coffee enough to want to upgrade grinders but dont have the time/money/patience to dial in coffee to the mm every day, the Kinu is not for you. The Aergrind is a worse Timemore, dont fall for the meme.

>>13902153
Don't listen to this actual unironic paid shill. He posts this shit in every fucking thread and we shit on him every time because he's a fucking retard. Most people here who have a hand grinder have Kinu variant because they're the best quality for their price.

>>13902153
>>13902173

He also started shilling tmore AFTER the original tmore guy got an m47 and loves it. I posted my prima reciept last thread and he immediately shut the fuck up.

bought a bag of Ethiopia Guji beans a couple days ago, its delicious!

>>13902384
>>13902173
>Not an actual, paid Kinu shill
I see telling people not to spend 200 dollars on shit they dont need struck a nerve with you there

>>13902582
You sound like the guy who tried to convince me lidos had glass bodies.

>>13902618
I wish lidos weren't such a meme, I really wanted to like them :(

>>13902769
i am a newfag, I bought a Lido E a month ago, what's wrong with them?

>>13889357
just tried that, it's too thicc, but if you want a lot of caffeine I guess it's fine, but for me it's always gotta be blacked.

Went to Costa Rica a few months back, had some lovely coffee there and brought a 1lb bag back that cost me about 5$.
Ran out today and it turns out a 2.2 lb (1kg) bag costs 27€ from Amazon.

Enjoyed it so I bought it anyway, did I do good? It's pure Costa Rican coffee and the nicest brand out of all the ones I tried, including more expensive ones. Pic related is the coffee in question

>>13902783
Shitty build quality, shitty alignment, shitty customer service. For $15 more you could have gotten something decent.

>>13902783
The CEO of Lido fucked my wife

>People paying triple-digits for hand-grinders when I got pic-related used and replaced the burrs for double-digits total
Holy hell, it's easy to take money off people

>>13903624
This. It's almost like audiophile tier fuckery out there.

>>13895752
cup fulla beetlejuice

>>13902153
>>13902384
>>13902173

Thank you for the recommendations. I only recently got into pour overs and have been trying to get more serious about making better cups. Would it make more sense to just bite the bullet and get a nice hand grinder, or could it be worth it to get something like a Baratza Encore? I don't think I have the best palate yet so I don't want to spend the money for something I wouldn't appreciate, but I'm willing to shell out if I would taste a big difference.

>>13903703
guzzle it down

>>13903624
did you cop it locally? I'm looking on eBay and they appear to be several hundred, unless I'm looking at the wrong model

>>13903715
Meh, I like hand grinders. They hold up, they're low maintenance, and generally your money goes a bit further. I couldn't imagine drinking enough coffee that 45 seconds of using my arms needed to be replaced by a fucking drivetrain. You might be grinding way more than me. Kinu released their set of pourover optimized burrs that swap into all models, so that may be exactly what you're looking for.

>>13903624
>catches a stupidly good deal off liquidation and projects this rare scenario onto the whole market

Thats a 1200 grinder. Any reason you decided to use a stock photo of it?

>>13898923
if I pulled that off would you die?

>>13903715
Again, unless you know you're going to get really into coffee a Timemore is in your price range and produces phenomenal pour over, if thats your mainstay. I think its just okay for espresso and does above average in french press. A kinu is for if you know you're going to be making espresso one day, french the next, pourover, etc.

>>13903755
I wasn't looking for that particular model. I was checking gumtree (the UK craigslist, every country has it's own equivalent) daily for about 1 or 2 months and bookmarking any recognizably branded espresso grinders under 150pounds (the going rate in the UK for a second hand Mazzer). I ended up with a bunch of bookmarked Mazzers, Eurekas, Nuova Simonellis, etc. and picked the cheapest one. Then bought a replacement set of burrs.

>>13903854
The guy I bought it from bought it at a liquidation sale, so he paid even less than me. He just didn't know what the fuck do with it, think the kind of cunts you see on storage wars. Dismantled it, cleaned all the years off coffee, washed everything, replace the burrs, put it back together.

Got two Gaggia Classics for 50$ each this way (and all they needed was a de-scale and an OPV replacement for one).

Guys coffee equipment is so plentiful and easy to maintain due to the pro market, that unless you *want* to spend more money to have something high-tech like an electronic weighing grinder/bean-to-cup machine or you have a particular desire to support your favourite hand-mill artisan maker, then DON'T SPEND A SINGLE PENNY more than I did. You are absolutely just paying huge mark-ups for no reason.

>>13903978
tl;dr set yourself a ceiling of 100-150 dollars each for your grinder and your machine and check online for a couple of months until you find them.

Just so you know, every month I found about 2 or 3 that matched my criteria

Roommate makes coffee by brewing it in a french press and then running it through a coffee filter.

Is this based or cringe?

>>13904091
Based if he pre-wets the filter, cringe if not

>>13903978
Yeah you've never dealt with americans. Craigslist is a cesspool. I did snag my vac sealer off it tho.

>>13903978
based and wholesome pilled

Drip machine gang

Bump

Is vietnamese coffee a meme? I've been thinking about getting a phin filter. They seem really handy for one person; cheap, easy to keep clean, compact, no disposable filters. How does it compare to normal pourover, assuming the same beans are used?

>>13905904
Viatnemese coffee is better brewed with dark roasted robusta, different than normal pourover which normally use arabica

>>13905904
vietnamese coffee is godlike but that dinky little machine seems like a meme.
necessary for the process or not?

>>13905904
Considering they cost like $3, use cheap ass robusta, and are traditionally mixed with sweetened condensed milk, what do you have to lose?

>>13904305
Technivrom representing

>>13905963
Okay /ck/ I am a fanatic, vehement, militant anti-meme gadget anti-single use kitchen utensil kinda guy.

But I just don't see how I can replicate the effect of a temperature controlled goose-neck kettle with what I have at home (stovetop whistle kettle and no cooking thermometer). Should I splash out for one?

https://www.epicurious.com/expert-advice/best-electric-kettles-for-tea-article

I always used a coffee machine but I've been using instant lately. It's not that bad.

>>13906128
get out

>>13906029
Electric kettles aren't a meme.
Outside of the US they are an absolute staple that almost everyone has in their kitchen.
Having boiling water within a minute at the press of a button is ridiculously convenient and will change your life. Using your stovetop or God forbid microwave for water is not only ridiculously wasteful but also takes way longer.

>>13905904
>>13905963
>>13905930
>>13905923
I realise this wasn't clear in the initial post, I meant to ask how well it would work as a regular pourover setup, not necessarily for vietnamese coffee exclusively. I.e. would it also make decent pourover with "normal" beans?

>>13906193
No no I get that, I've always had electric kettles (I just happen to have smashed the glass one that I owned so now I'm using the stovetop one that came with the house).

What I'm reluctant to do is a get a temp-controlled, gooseneck one for over 50 bucks isntead of a normal one which would cost 10-20 for a glass/metal one.

>>13906448
temp controlled is definitely worth if you drink tea
the more controlled pouring alone is worth it for a filter

>>13906613
I think I'm sold m8s, hold my hand im buying it

>>13889357
>inquiries
what's this in op? looks fucking spectacular

Chemex Gang

V60 Gang

>>13906222
No, you cannot make pourover with a phin. I have one and use it occasionally as a cute little meme device to make fake espresso.

Where my /roast/ boys at?

https://www.allycoffee.com/coffees/monteblanco-purple-caturra-natural/

Hopefully artisan doesn't drop out this time.

>>13908138
What kind of roaster do you use? I want to get into this shit, but idk if I'll ever be able to get better results than the pro roasters.

>>13908315
Gutted a popcorn popper and wired in an arduino.

This shit retails for $35+/lb, it better be good.

>>13903864
It would be extremely coffing.

>>13908355
>This shit retails for $35+/lb, it better be good.
The green beans? I thought they were half price the roasted ones.

Post schemes, etc. for your DIY roaster!

>>13908516
I paid $7.05 an lb.

>>13906029

man, i got that kettle as a gift and its legit. you can set that damn thing to any temp, which is much nicer than guessing, it can hold a temp for a while too. I use it for everything, great for pour overs and because I can set it to like 175 I use it for delicate green teas. love it.

>>13908526
holy shitsticks. i wanna do this. how much did it cost you? the beans you posted look perfetly roasted

>>13893149
Black Gold isn't bad, I usually buy mass market shit because I don't want to spend good money on specialty roasts when I normally make 1-2 cups a week at home. Now that I'm home from work my dad had bought a huge bag of Starbucks and it tastes like ass but free is free.
My favorite so far is Peet's Big Bang, Major Dickasens is good too though.
My brother buys the good stuff but uses a machine to cook it and doesn't get the full flavor the Moka Pot brings.

>>13908614
$20 roaster from sweet marias
$20 arduino
$75 arduino hat
$4 solid state relay
$6 screen
$5 bluetooth dongle

https://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-controlled-DIY-Coffee-Roaster/

>>13906847
>what's this in op?
>dalgona edition
>quick askjeeves answers question
>hebrewtube video ITT answers question
>what's this in op?

>>13908681
>https://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-controlled-DIY-Coffee-Roaster/
TOP LAD!

Thank you! Are you happy with the results?

>>13908681
>TC4+ Arduino shield, available on Tindie https://www.tindie.com/products/artisanaltech/tc4-coffee-roaster-shield-tc4-plus/
How realistic is it for a total arduino noob to try and replicate this with an emtpy board, wires and off the shelf pieces.

>>13908758
Happier every time I roast as I get it dialed in. Take note that you don't have to use a popcorn popper like I did. Thats the cheap and easy route. You could get a 1500w heat gun(or any other ac heat source) and a fan and wire it into a roaster with that tc4+ board. You can build a drum roaster if you want. Board is badass. Once my popper burns out I'm building something a bit bigger.

>>13908763
The bits look obtainable, but the board circuitry looks like it would be a bastard to try and replicate with wiring.

>>13908763
Literally what I did. There are preconfigured files to flash onto the board that get you 99% of the way there, trial and error will get you the rest. Matthias will even solder the kit and preflash it for a fee.

>>13908769
>>13908771
Oh he means knock it off. Its open source, you can do whatever. You can acid etch pcbs in your garage.

>>13908780
You're right that is what I meant
>acid etch pcb
I just found out this is do-able and it actually makes the exercise even more interesting. So in the Instructables post the guy says his fan can do maximum 120g a pop, are you managing more? I feel like I would ideally do at least 250g which are the normal coffee bags you get from a good roaster (unless it's far to difficult to scale it to tha tmuch)/

>>13908813
I've been dosing right at 100g and it works for me. I'm able to roast inside or out, so I just roast 2 days before I run out and I've been fine.

>>13909055
>I'm able to roast inside or out
Yeah what's the deal with the aluminium duct? Could I just do it on my balcony or under the extractor hood of my stove?

>>13908355
>https://www.allycoffee.com/coffees/monteblanco-purple-caturra-natural/
Why so expensive? And why would you roast it so dark?

>>13909218
Yeah thats all unnecessary. I've just got an open topped screen tube jammed around the roast chamber. Blows chaff up and away outside, and I just binder clip the top when I roast next to the window. It would be easy to blow chaff out the window but that seems somehow more dickish and its honestly not a big deal to just pour the beans into a colander and blow off the chaff outside afterwards.

>>13909218
I roast under the hood of my stove and with the fan on max I've never set off the alarm. I do roast light though.

Anyone have a particularly good supplier for green in canada?

>>13909298
>Anyone have a particularly good supplier for green in canada?
USER WAS ARRESTED FOR THIS POST

>>13909293
Why do you think roasting to 430f is dark?

>>13909408
That chart is not useful, as different roasters will read different temperatures for the same bean temperature. However, if you want to follow that and your measure of 430f, then yes, that's dark. First crack happens around 386f (for a lot of drum roasters) and 430f would be close to second crack. A nordic roast would be around 400. I can tell your roast is much darker than I would prefer and much darker than most specialty roasters will roast by looking at the smooth/glossiness of it. It's likely that you'd be tasting more roast than origin at that level.

>>13909547
Send me a cm100plus and I'll show you how big of a dipshit you are.

>>13909298
If you live in the GTA “my indie coffee” in Newmarket has some really nice green beans at a decent price. They deliver for free rn too

>>13909298


>>13909298

>>13908355
nice roast
I prefer light but whenever I try a light roast its always really inconsistent, also using a popcorn popper
what can I do?

>>13908355
One day when I'm not poor I hope to roast my own.

I don't drink coffee I take tea my dear.

>>13909574
Why would I need to do that, you can just look up light roast end temperature for yourself. Go ahead, Google: light roast coffee end temperature, and medium roast coffee end temperature. You'll see that 430 would be either at the far end of or just out of range of what people would consider medium. And light roasts would be around 400f. No need to be upset.

>>13910328
Are you using a popper without modifications? Slowing the roast will help with even roasting. But the roast chamber in an air popper is so small and most of the heat transfer is convective so it is actually fairly hard to get an uneven roast from bean to bean.

What's the deal with amateur roasters being so concerned with "evenness" you really don't see that being a concern in professional circles.

>>13910239
Checked em out online. Not quite what I'm looking for, but thanks for trying

>>13911382
Just when I do a light roast there are always a few beans that are way too light to drink
I could pick them out since theres not usually many but I would prefer to get them

Unmodded popper, what do you suggest I do? TC4+ is pretty expensive but Ill get it if it will make a big difference

>>13911601
Those are just quakers from the sound of it. Next time, try eating one. If it tastes like popcorn, it's a quaker. Those are from unripe cherries, and don't have the proper chemical components to undergo browning reactions properly. Nothing to do with even roasting.

Depends on your popper. But I'd say you could just start off with a 2000 watt potentiometer that you can buy for around 10 bucks. Wire that into your heating element circuit, and you can adjust heat. It is a good idea to graph your temperature as well, so you could buy a regular arduino and a k type thermocouple plus breakout board and wire that into artisan. But if you start with the potentiometer only, you can slowly step up the heat, reaching your end heat input at about 4 minutes, and first crack around 6 minutes.

>>13911368
And that 430 is HEAVILY affected by my code.

////////////////////
// Temperature Reading Filters
#define BT_FILTER 10 // filtering level (percent) for BT
#define ET_FILTER 10 // filtering level (percent) for ET
#define AMB_FILTER 70 // 70% filtering on ambient sensor readings

// use RISE_FILTER to adjust the sensitivity of the RoR calculation
// higher values will give a smoother RoR trace, but will also create more
// lag in the RoR value. A good starting point is 80%, but for air poppers
// or other roasters where BT might be jumpy, then a higher value of RISE_FILTER
// will be needed. Theoretical max. is 99%, but watch out for the lag when
// you get above 95%.
#define RISE_FILTER 94 // heavy filtering on non-displayed BT for RoR calculations
#define ROR_FILTER 80 // post-filtering for the computed RoR values


Do I need to get you a picture with neutral light? Should I be storing my beans in uv shielded glass just in case? Don't want those beans getting too dark now. Have you tried roasting with a flashlight? Might be too much heat.

>>13911715
You are the one that posted the reference image and focused on your temperature as a refutation of my visual analysis. I said in a previous post that you can't really compare temperatures without much more data as a proxy for roast degree. I can see by the smoothness and glossiness of the beans that they are at least in the darker medium range. I at no point mentioned their color as an indicator or roast degree, as I am aware of the difference that lighting and cameras can have on color.

Not sure why you are upset. I asked why you would roast an expensive coffee that dark, assuming that you had some good reason to do so. I can tell now that it is because you don't know what you are doing, and are afraid of new information.

>>13911982
Not him but shut the fuck up retard they look fine

>>13912328
Depends on your goals

>>13911982
>>13912335


Only faggots drink nordic roasts. We're not trying to drink cups of hay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_roasting


Pull up those swatches and tell me where my beans fall.


Roasted these up earlier, lemme know what you think. I can go lighter if we're being honest.

>>13889357
I used to laugh at anons
Now I got it myself
>tfw sudden intolerance to coffee

>>13912437
So light roasts are for fags but you're upset that I'm calling yours a non-light roast? Weird.

>>13912708
If you're drinking lighter than a city, yeah you're a faggot. Those last beans roasted light enough for you? I just exhaled some hot air over them. Indirectly ofc.

>>13912832
So city is as light as you'd go? That's classified as a medium roast in the wikpedia article you linked to. Most roasts that win competitions are of the very light or nordic style. Same with most coffees I prefer. If they taste like grains then they are underdeveloped. Sorry that you got so offended at my questions.

what comes after a Silvia or Gaggia? some superautomatic with a better type of boiler? worth it price to performance wise?

>>13912868
>common for most specialty coffee. Good for tasting origin character, although roast character is noticeable.

>It's likely that you'd be tasting more roast than origin at that level

Tell me more about shit you don't know. Personally I can tell if a bottle of wine is worth drinking by looking at the label. Sometimes even a picture of the label will do.

>>13912952
If its out of warranty, then pid it.

>>13913061
yeah, planning on it. mine's an ancient unit but maintained it over years and everything still runs well

I literally don't know how to pour steamed milk properly. I think I introduce too much air since the agitation from pouring doesn't seem to push the microfoam towards the back of the cup very much. It's not really piling up either though like a typical unmixed foam would though...

>>13912988
I suppose that was an exaggeration on my part. What I meant was that you'd taste more roast than I would like, which is about none. I projected my pickiness in that aspect onto you. My bad on that. You still are roasting medium, which is plenty darker than I like. I was really asking why you went that dark rather than lighter. It wasn't meant as a threat to your integrity or whatever you are reacting to.

>>13913069
90+% of your upgrade cost is going to be more convenience, not better espresso. I'd hold onto that gem for as long as you can, while keeping your eye out for STEALS on liquidation like simonellibro did.

>>13913155
Are those green beans light enough, or not? Simple question. I can source some lighter beans if that would make you think my beans taste better.

>>13913231
Clearly they haven't even been roasted. For what it's worth, I have been enjoying roasts with around 10% DTR

>>13913231
>90+% of your upgrade cost is going to be more convenience, not better espresso

yeah, that's what I assumed and I am starting to be willing to pay. I've been drinking a morning cappuccino everyday for last 5 years, and while I'm a fairly habitual person, it's a large timesink.

Is the next step up a superautomatic? Someone got lucky with a Simonelli, huh. Any specific models/brands I should keep an eye out for?

>>13913261
Yeah man, its all origin. No roast. 5th wave.

>>13913421
Pfffft, you mean you take the cherry meat off of your beans before brewing? 6th wave dude, we're out here juicing the cherries and just drinking that.

>>13913267
If you're after convenience then go either super low fi (next post about this) or super high-tech like a bean to cup machine. I'm the simonelli grinder guy and I found this machine my street (admittedly it's a relatively posh neighbourhood, but you might luck out in the used listings since they're a common rich person wedding present that gets thrown out/sold a lot).

I've taken it apart and the pieces it needs are about 150 pounds so that's what it would cost me to have this machine running. I checked already and they go used for about 300-400 pounds so I guess in America to be on the safe side I would budget 500 dollars for a used one if I were you. I am not sure, which of the other brands are the top contenders in this category but I know for sure that Jura has been doing this for a couple of decades, I think they may have invented the bean-to-cup. This model, despite being old, had a whole bunch of programs built into it and a very detailed self-clean routine. The newer models are even more tech-y.

So I have to say, something though. Aside from the fact that you are starting with freshly ground coffee, which is a massive improvement over a capsule machine, the coffee with a bean-to-cup just won't be the same as what you get with even a non-PID Gaggia Classic (like mine and yours) unless it costs thousands and thousands of dollars. Check the comment by the Delonghi technician in this article (the article is interesting in itself).

>>13913267
So the next thing i was going to say about convenience is that you could go super lo-fi and get something like this. It's basically a Bialetti that works better/reaches a higher pressure.

I'm getting mine next week (they're doing a sale from 89 euros to 59 euros until the end of April) and I will post back with the results. It will probably be decent judging from the videos that show a nice amount of crema forming.

Thinking about pulling the trigger on a Hario cold brew pot, but are there better options for the 0.7-2L yield cold brew without going deep autism off the bat?

>>13913556
PLEASE DON'T DO IT, TRUST ME! I had this one and it was terrible and it just.didn't.work. It made worse cold-brew than the mason jar method and the glass is so brittle that it smashes easily.

I've done a lot of research into this and the best one apart from the Toddy, is the OXO. I got that one (used ofc lol) and it almost matches the quality of the huge retarded Japanese wood and glass tower thing my local roaster uses (which makes great coffee I have to say).

So DON'T GET THE HARIO.

>>13913570
Cheers. Was considering the Toddy, mate has one, but he also has access to his housemate's yuge fridge. I've got this dinky little one my grandparents owned and while it works I don't feel the need to replace it. The Toddy wouldn't fit.

I'll look into the OXO.

I'll look into the OXO.

>>13913593
oops, sorry, composting, the window is tiny

>>13913510
>ut you might luck out in the used listings since they're a common rich person wedding present that gets thrown out/sold a lot).

you're right, nice models tend to float up in local online listings. I used to hunt for them when I lived in a large US city.

Thanks for the details. I will look at Jura and Simonelli. I am really after an expensive techy super automatic and would be happy if I got a refurbished clearance one but wasn't sure what the go to brands/models were in this category. It's really worth the spend when you use daily even if it's a few grand USD.

>e coffee with a bean-to-cup just won't be the same as what you get with even a non-PID Gaggia Classic (like mine and yours) unless it costs thousands and thousands of dollars. Check the comment by the Delonghi technician in this article (the article is interesting in itself)

ok, that's very interesting. did you mean to link the article?
>>13913524
Never seen something like this. Interesting concept. How do you manage temps with something like this?

>>13913421
That is the ideal, yes. Avoiding roasty taints typically leads to better coffee. Why are you so threatened by people who prefer different coffee?

>>13913791
>Avoiding roasty taints
MGTOW

>>13913593
I can recommend the Oxo 100% but why do you need a fridge? In the UK, in my kitchen the radiator was always off to stop things from spoiling faster and 90% of the year it was definitely cool enough for this to brew. In fact thinking of the Japanese towers at my local roaster these are also done outside a fridge. You only need a fridge when it comes to storing the finished product.

That said, I think the Oxo might be a bit more user friendly than the Toddy but you will be happ with either. The only negative of the Oxo is that the jug it drips into is VERY brittle (mine arrived with a smashed jug, advertised in the photos with an okay one, so the guy refunded me my money kek).

>>13913607
Sorry yes here you go, article is interesting and the comment by the Delonghi guy is in my pic.

https://hackaday.com/2019/04/26/make-that-special-cup-of-coffee-by-completely-tweaking-the-coffee-machine/

My simonelli is a grinder not a coffee machine but maybe they do BTC machines too? Anyway, as you can see from this list ( https://www.dailyespresso.co.uk/best-bean-to-cup-coffee-machine/ ) Jura pretty much dominate the market followed by Delonghi and then Sage/Breville which are a more recent arrival. I would probably put them in that order of preference too, Jura being so popular, there is a ton of material on the internet and an endless supply of spares and they really are excellent, very complex machines. I don't know anything about Delonghi other than it is an Italian staple brand so it cannot be that bad and that's also good news for parts availability and guides..Then I know that Breville/Sage has a huge following of fanatic haters in the coffee world who consider it vastly overpriced for the machine you're getting. Maybe if you're getting an amazing bargain where there's no mark-up on the price, it's more acceptable to get a Breville..

>Never seen something like this. Interesting concept. How do you manage temps with something like this?

First, you're meant to really heat up the water in the tank as much as possible before you add the grouphandle with the coffee. Then when you're actually brewing, you control the pressure/flow-rate with the handle on the left (this opens the entry valve of the tank).

>>13914064

>>13913791
Just for you, I'll set my upper temp at 385 and ruin 100g. Just started raining otherwise I'd do it now.

>>13913556
Just use a big plastic container and an almond milk bag

>>13914111
Should probably go past first crack. For instance, I do about 10% development time ratio. On a 7 minute roast that's somewhere around 30s after fc starts. Ending right at fc is probably going to give you the grainy notes you don't like.

>>13914064
Juras are not good, especially for the price. Breville, like it or not, makes the best coffee equipment for the price in nearly every category they manufacture for.

>>13914224
I would never advise someone to get a new Jura, those things are mad expensive. Aren't Brevilles half the price of a Jura?? Something like 500 vs 1000. Anyway, you're not wrong about Brevilles offering bang for your buck, which is why I included them in my recommendation, but I do know from threads that have opened them up and tried to fix or upgrade them, that it is a little bit Chinesium in there. They're not really made to be opened if you see what I mean, for someone like the guy who asked that question that is probably not an issue at all, for me it is (if I'm spending more then a couple of hundred bucks on something I want to be able to fix it or tinker with it).

>>13914224
What's your experience with Juras by the way? I'm curious to know if it's worth to fix mine.

>>13914435
>>13914446
Agreed on the chinesium, that's part of why they are so much cheaper. The Jura I have experience with was a $6k CAD superauto that a client of a roaster I was doing some work for wanted to buy despite our protests. Ended up needing near constant repairs. Parts were flimsy throughout, to the point where I was nervous to touch the damn thing. Did a trash job of making coffee as well. Cheaper parts inside than the Breville 920xl I used to own (which did a better job at everything espresso and steaming related than a gs3 by the way, despite all the plastic).
Not sure what Jura you have, so I can't say if it's worth your effort to fix, but I wouldn't buy one ever after my experience.

Bump

ok but is coffee good for you though?

>>13914865
Thanks for the info, that is very enlightening. Disappointing to hear that about the Jura, I wonder what their USP is that has allowed them to do so well? Are they just better at handling the demand of an office, or just that they have a dedicated maintenance service (like Nespresso) that appeals to clients?

Mine is pic-related, the C5. Like I said, I googled the broken/missing parts and its about 150 pounds worth of stuff.

But it's mad that Breville could beat the Marzocco, what's with that? Does the GS3 just rely much more on user input?

>>13916522
everything in moderation m8

but i do have a question related to this: has anyone looked into how much agri-chemicals are used to grow coffee? As coffee and wine are the only two products I buy for the flavour and the "effect", I don't consider them sources of nourishment and don't bother with organic. I wonder though, how bad is the coffee industry when it comes to pesticides and the rest of it?

>>13889357
Happy respawn day

>>13916593
fuck you faggot

>>13916530
The things that made me prefer the breville over the gs3 are:
>Steam wand
The gs3 absolutely bungles this aspect. It has a lever for the steam that is directly on top of the steam wand. The lever is hard to move into its locked on position, wears badly over time, and makes the steam situation very cramped, so that often to turn the steam off I would have to hold the pitcher by the bottom with the wrong hand. The breville has a nice knob on the side of the machine that allows for fine adjustment of steam pressure. It also has a very nice steam tip that is incredibly easy to use (I've taught a few friends to make latte art worthy milk on their first try) it is slow compared to commercial machines, but that's fine unless you like huge drinks. It is the best steam wand I have ever used for drinks with 6oz of milk or less.
>Preinfusion
The breville gives you some control over the preinfusion pressure, the gs3 delivers it at whatever your pump is set to.
>Water filling
The gs3 requires you to yank out the drip tray to access the water reservoir, and has no way to see the water level normally. The breville can be filled from the top or the back and has a lit view port.
The breville also has a saturated grouphead that is PID controlled. The gs3 has just a saturated grouphead.
Oh, and one is like 6 times the price

>>13916747
<3

moka pots suck, I question the sanity of anyone that uses one

>>13916747
It's okay to be called fag if I could bite that yum-yum peeps.

>>13916547
Alot. You can find microlots that claim to use no pesticides though. I've got a few nonpesticide brazilians in the stash.

>>13907157
What's the definitive /ck/ chemex recipe/guide? For my 8 cup I usually do about 69g coffee for 1000 ml of water with a fairly coarse grind since there's a bunch of coffee. For 500 ml I use a finer grind but about same ratio of coffee to water. I general the thing seems to work better with smaller batches.

considering a bialetti venus. should i stick to instant coffee?

>>13917678
stovetop espresso makers aren't really great at making coffee without some extra preheating. Wouldn't be what I recommend to someone just swapping from instant. Do a french press - can't really screw it up.

>>13917760
Thanks for the help.

Help me pick a mass-market not-shit coffee for cold brewing. My experience isn't broad but I'm thinking medium roast latin american is where I should be. I'm finishing up a 3 pack of Amazon's columbian which has been okay. Best I've had so far is Cafe Lareno but it seems to only come pre-ground.

>>13918036
>mass-market
>not-shit
Pick one

>>13918039
Not-shit by commoner standards, not refined palette standards. Also I guess mass-market isn't the right term - I want something widely available, preferably that I can just order off of Amazon consistently.

>>13918054
You know you can just order good coffee consistently from roasters right?

what do you think of this setup for pour over? I could save ~bucks with a non temp controlled gooseneck kettle but I figure it's worth it. The actual dripper is plastic, do you think ceramic is worth it? I had a metal one but it stopped working a while ago.

>>13918581
Ceramic will eventually break and holds more heat. You're going to have to be consistent with preheating it. Plastic is cheaper, will survive a few drops, and much easier to preheat. Looks good. If you're interested in preparing for the inevitable collapse of our shipping services, snag a coffeesock in that order. You'll be able to use that v60 once you run out of filters and can't get any more delivered.

>>13918581
That's very similar to the setup I use but I would buy a bulk pack of filters just in case society crumbles and you run out

>>13918581
if its pourover youve already lost anon

>>13918581
fuck, it says it is to arrive may 4 if I order it today. I was hoping this could be an impulse purchase.

>>13917040
Aluminium ones suck until you can "season" them (i know).

Stainless ones are fine.

You'll never get a mind-blowing cup of coffee from one, but they're not terrible either.

>>13917121
Fuck, I didn't know that...Considering I drink coffee every day, that's probably enough to make me switch to Organic..

>>13917678
Like the other anon said, absolutely do not even bother with moka pots if you don't follow the method of pre-heating them. It's definitely an upgrade from instant coffee, but if you prefer a longer drink than an (longish) espresso, which is the best a Moka pot can do, then I would go for pour-over. For me, pour-overs are very difficult to mess up if you follow the instructions and produce great results if you do that and you use good coffee.

>>13918036
Huehuehuehue-tenango is now popular enough that it exists in mass-market brands. Makes a delicious chocoloatish caramel-ish cold brew. Go for that.

>>13918168
Also, this

>>13916522
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVE5iPMKLg

>>13889357
keurig or GTFO

How do I join the "make proper coffee at home" gang?

Baratza Encore grinder - $145
Hario V60 drip decanter - $25
Hario V60 02 White filters (100 count) - $9
Ethiopian washed process beans (1 bag) - $17

Is that it?

>>13919592
You're good to go, yes

>>13919592
>$145 on a grinder
Do white people really?

what is it called if you make a latte with heavy cream instead of milk?

V60 or Chemex?

Talk to me about light roasted coffee. At best, I've gotten it to taste like a sour tea with some vague coffee notes. At worst it just incredibly fucking sour and borderline undrinkable. I'm all for trying new things but there's very little 'coffee' to these beans, and I make far better tea than the other flavours can provide. Considering the price was also around 3 times the average this just feels like a scam for hipsters.

Is it just a taste thing? I have no problems calling it quits and going back to my comfort zone.

>>13919780
I'm a beaner and spent more on a coffee grinder.

I have disposable income. I've squandered it on food, coffee, drums, computer and audio equipment.

>>13889357
Looks like literal poop

so how do you find the perfect ratio of grounds to water. Say I had 150g water in my mug, how many grams of grounds would, or should, I use for that one cup. And can you just double or triple that if you wanted to make 3 cups or is the ratio different?

want to buy an espresso machine and grinder lads, any recommendations?

>>13920538
V60
>>13920560
Sounds like you are under extracting the coffee. Lighter roasts are less soluble, so require more heat and a finer grind. A well done light roast should be sweet, crisp, clean, balanced, and you should be able to taste lots of the unique flavors of the coffee. I think a lighter roast coffee done well is appealing in the way a ripe piece of fruit is.
>>13920936
Try a 16 parts water to 1 part coffee ratio to start. You can keep that for any drink size.
>>13920973
Breville 920xl and a niche zero

>>13921186
But how do you calculate 16:1? I'm like a genuine retard at maths because I never paid attention in school.

just as an example, if the 150g water is the 16 part, is the 1 part of grounds 9.3 grams? 16:1 seems really small regardless of how many cups I was making

>>13921356
>how many cups
....It's a ratio, dude
How is 16:1 really small? I wouldn't want to drink much stronger than that

>>13921356
Yes, 9.3g would be correct.

150g water in would give you like 120g brewed coffee out. That's a small amount of brewed coffee, so it makes sense that it would require a small amount of ground coffee.

>>13920973
Gaggia Classic, Mazzer Super Jolly then buy all the aftermarket pieces for the Gaggia and eventually PID that shit. This is the fun way, the Breville is the tech, comfy way.

>>13921186
For all I know Niche may make good grinders, but I'm sorry this image from their website is JUST SO FUCKING GAY. And this is coming from someone who went to art school.

>>13921531
570 dollars for conical burrs? wtf

>>13917443
Another anon posted this months ago & may be of use to you.

Reposting: how to chemex. Not bothering with metric conversions though I do acknowledge imperial is retarded. Also while not required, do not ever use preground and try to grind right before use, also a gooseneck electric kettle helps tremendously. Deleted and reposted to fix typos and shit since phoneposting.
>Acquire a light to medium roast. Dark is just flat out burnt, even medium roasts commonly dip into being unironically burnt
>Use around 1:18 grounds to water (personally I just use a third cup measuring cup to scoop beans which results in around the right amount of grounds for 16-18oz water)
>Heat water to 200 (not boiling, you retards)
>Grind size is medium-fine (on a Barista Encore I use size 18)
>Put filter in chemex
>Get hot water from sink, use it to wet the filter and preheat the glass
>Pour water out of the chemex when the kettle water is heated
>Put grinds in filter
>Pour water from kettle VERY slowly (dripping) to evenly wet the grounds without flooding it
>Wait 30-60 seconds
>Pour very slowly in the circular motion everyone describes so the water evenly is distributed throughout the grounds
>Pour faster once the water is clearly just impacting the water rather than the grounds under it, maintaining a level of around half an inch to an inch under the top
NOW HERE IS WHAT NOBODY FUCKING TELLS YOU
>once the kettle water runs out, take a spoon and scrap the sides of the filter so that the grounds settle back on the bed, otherwise it'll form a volcano and barely pass through any grounds resulting in watery garbage
>when there's more than about a second or so between drips it's done
>pour (people say to swirl it in the chemex for aeration but it makes no sense since pouring it will aerate it far more)
>rinse the chemex with clean water a couple times, it's quick to clean and prevents oils from building up that become rancid

Roast of a kenyan I did today. Really pleased with the ror

>>13889357
Today I had my coffee with an orange flavoured vitamin C tablet, an orange flavoured creamsicle, and some coco powder.

>>13920538
chemex but only because i have one
>>13921833
thx man

>”hey anon, we heard you’re a big coffee fan so we got you this!”

How do you tell someone that flavored coffee is trash without hurting their feelings? Now I’m stuck with shitty coffee. I don’t want to waste it but I don’t want to drink it either. And of all things, its salted caramel flavor, which I was never a big fan of

>>13920495
Caffè Creme or Espresso Creme

Is coffee good for you?

>>13922751
Brew it and use it to make a cake.

>>13898893
>>13899016
>>13899038
>>13899202
>Bonavita BV382510V
I ended up settling on this one
Used it to make today's coffee, felt great
Thanks anons

How expensive of a hobby is this? I wanted to try getting into pour over coffee but I'm woefully retarded at deciding what equipment is worthwhile

>>13919780
Imagine being this poor.

>>13920599
^

>>13920936
First I use a scale, then I use my tongue.

>>13921356
Dose out coffee. Say you're brewing 24g today. 24x16 = 384g of water. I usually bloom with double my bean weight, so 48g of water in, then ~100g at a time until you hit your ending weight of 384.

>>13922751
Coldbrew through it as soon as you can, repay them with a bag of better beans. Slowly influence their taste and you'll get better gifts in return.

>13922926

Good shit, I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger on the ekg soon. Keep us updated on that bonavita.

>>13919780
Electric burr grinders for home use $150 is low end, $3250 is high end

>>13923208
Looks like some boomer audiophile (i.e. the most gullible retards in the world) shit.

>>13923287
Looks like a microscope to me. If I was a millionaire I'd probably buy one.

>>13922875
The science says YesNoYesNoYesNoYesNo.

How the fuck do I make latte art? I can't even do the shitty fern leaf bullshit

>>13924791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg_BWkx20hE

maybe try this?

>>13924808
Thank ya. The texture has always been a problem for me and I've never really found the 'sweet spot' where you can start pouring art.

>>13906029
See:
>>13922926
Yes

>>13922967
These are prices for simple, workable components for a pour over setup:
>Melitta coffeemaker $10-$20
Very forgiving for beginners, so inexpensive you won't care if it doesn't work for you
>simple digital scale $20
This is just useful in general, and kinda necessary for weighing the beans and weighing how much water you've added. Otherwise you're flying blind.
>simple electric grinder $10-$20
Keep it cheap and simple and easy. Yes, grind your own beans, every time.
>any kettle
But you should consider an electric kettle. Simple ones are as little as $20.
>Total: $50-$90

Snobs will turn up their noses at some of these items but they will get the job done and let you see how you like it. If you like it you can upgrade the components that don't work and go from there.

I can get timemore grinders pretty cheap since I'm in SEA. Looking at the c1 or nano. I mainly drink pourovers but I use my flair espresso machine on the weekends. Which one would suit me more?

>>13923300
If I were a millionaire I would spend as much as to get the same gear as my favorite local coffee shop.

>>13911646
Can I just use any old cheap breakout board + thermocouple from china?

I have a few arduino unos lying around thats no issue
Ill look into getting a potentiometer

>>13926365
I use the ad8495 breakout board from adafruit
This thermocouple: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0142RXG84
This pot
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00QLH8530

>>13925418
>simple electric grinder $10-$20
These create inconsistent, randomly sized grounds. They're great for grinding whole spices to powder, though. At that price you can get a decent manual grinder.
https://www.worldmarket.com/product/stainless-steel-manual-coffee-grinder.do?sortby=ourPicks&from=Search

>>13926849
I though anything less than kinu was harem and your better off getting the roaster or grocery store to grind beans

my covfe always tastes really bitter but I dislike sugar
is there a way to make a nice cold milky coffee drink that tastes smooth but uses no sugar? I use dirt cheap instant coffee as well so maybe I need to buy a better brand?
im poor so I can't afford to grind beans and whatnot

>>13917040
>>13919011
cold water
coffee
close
place on heat
12 to 15 minutes
pull out

if it takes less than 12 minutes, your heat is to high

>>13927036
Look for lighter roast instant. Some will advertise that, and some you can tell by looking at the crystals.

>>13923208
whats that meme about your grinder has to cost half of your total setup?

>>13926882
The grinder he linked is JUNK. If were going to meme people, let's have them end up with good products, not drawer clutter.

Does /ck/ approve of native American Navajo coffee with flour?

>>13927077
No completely wrong.

Cold water, only the bottom half on the stove. Meanwhile fill the basket with coffee (make a little pyramid) and keep aside.
Once water is boiling, turn off flame temporarily, add basket, screw top on, turn flame back on and lift lid to see what's happening.
Once coffee is streaming steadily down the middle shaft, lower heat and wait till it reaches the beginning of the spout.
Remove and pour before the shaft starts spitting out the extra watery stuff.

t. Italian

>>13927239
Dude!
I always boiled water in the kettle separately. Fuck, boiling water in the bottom part makes shit so much easier.

>>13927239
>No completely wrong.
there are no correct or wrong methods here
>italian
who cares, im portuguese. I have fooled around with moka pots since ever, and I don't add sugar or milk so it must be drinkable straight. I have tried that method of yours before, I have tried boiling the water separately, I have tried different coffee types, different grinds, different everything, no tamping, leveled with the filter, filter overflowing, brew till the end, brew till 3/4, pour cold water after to stop it, using a cold rag.

the thing that made an absolute difference in taste was using cold water and very very low temperature. how about you try it man, and only then can you criticize. make sure it takes at least 12 minutes to get the first drop of liquid

>>13927077
>>13927239
>>13927281
ill add this. the 12 minute time is for stainless moka
with aluminium it just heats up to fast, you have to play with the times, try 8 minutes, the point is to have low heat avoid high heat specially because you don't want that metal flavor

>>13927271
And will achieve a proper extraction. Cold water is for idiots

>>13926849
>>13926882
ignore

>>13927281
It is completely wrong, not arbitrarily, but based on a principle that wants the coffee grounds in the moka pot for as little time as possible so they don't get burnt. In an espresso machine they're in and out in less than a minute. A moka pot is entirely made of very heat conducive metal, if you leave your coffee in there for 12 minutes you're going to burn the shit out of it.

>no tamping,
Necessary, tamping in a moka pot will fuck your shit up

>I have tried different coffee types, different grinds, different everything, leveled with the filter, filter overflowing,
Same

>brew till the end,
Too watery in my experience

>brew till 3/4
I think my method is closer to 2/3

>pour cold water after to stop it, using a cold rag.
uwotm8

>the thing that made an absolute difference in taste was using cold water and very very low temperature. how about you try it man, and only then can you criticize. make sure it takes at least 12 minutes to get the first drop of liquid
The thing is, this is how I started making moka coffee because I guess this is the simplest way to do it. But I think this really depends on what kind of drink you want. I aim for something maybe 1.5 times the "length" of the espresso I get at the bar, maximum 2 times (coffees are super "short" here). I like the concentrated, intense flavour I get from it that is an approximation of an espresso. My guess is that you enjoy a longer drink and perhaps your method suits it.

IDK I'll give it another try if I feel like another coffee tonight, because I haven't made coffee your way in ten years but it goes against everything I've come to know over time.

>>13927286
>the point is to have low heat avoid high heat specially because you don't want that metal flavor
Really the best thing to do for that is to "season" your moka pot as lame as that sounds. You need to just rinse it with a bit of water after use, no soap and no abrasion. It's why I hate the aluminium ones actually.

>>13927339
>It is completely wrong,
says you, there are discussions on this all over the internet. I say do it your way, try each and see what you like, doesn't make one way wrong and the other right. maybe i didnt write properly, the list of things you quoted are some but not all of the different ways that I have experimented with it.
> I aim for something maybe 1.5 times the "length" of the espresso I get at the bar
that is, in my own personal opinion, a big mistake, because you will not get an espresso anything out of a moka pot, it is a moka pot, literally a different way of making coffee. and yes i do prefer a long drink vs what you'd get out of a ristretto shot, but again... this isn't espresso
>>13927344
>season
no anon.. its dirty, thats just a old euro myth

>>13927344
>I hate the aluminium ones actually.
i forgot to say.. the aluminum ones can, if you use very low heat, give you a much better coffee than the stainless ones, but its not consistent

>>13927292
Wait, dude. How will I screw on the top part, if the bottom is boiling hot?
Using a kettle is more convinient after all.

>>13927380
lol very carefully, same with the coffee filter, be vewy vewy caweful

>>13927366
>no anon.. its dirty, thats just a old euro myth
It's not. Take an aluminium moka pot out of the box, or freshly scrubbed and a dirty one and make the same cup, the same way. I am not talking shit here, it took me a week and a half to get my new moka pot to not taste like metal after I moved into this apartment. You will never have this issue with a stainless steel pot.

>that is, in my own personal opinion, a big mistake, because you will not get an espresso anything out of a moka pot, it is a moka pot, literally a different way of making coffee. and yes i do prefer a long drink vs what you'd get out of a ristretto shot, but again... this isn't espresso
Yes this goes to show how subjective this. I enjoy having almost the flavour of an espresso (of course you cannot get it exactly since you're at best getting 6-7 times less pressure than an espresso machine) but slightly longer so I can enjoy more than the couple of sips you get from an espresso at the bar.

I used to drink longer moka coffee as a student and I just don't like it anymore. My method wouldn't work with your length of drink because if you try to get a long coffee with a quick extraction in a moka pot you make a gurgling mess. So I guess, for those who want their coffee long your method is best. For a shorter one I'm pretty sure it's mine.

>>13927380
Oven mitt, tea towel...etc etc. if you're a pro you can place the top perfectly square without touching the bottom and just screw it by pressing down and rotating.

>>13927385
Based silicone filter. I cannot stand the old rubber ones, they do my head in.

>>13927395
>I used to drink longer moka coffee as a student and I just don't like it anymore
just get a nespresso bro

>>13927399
Do you turn off the stove before screwing top in, or do you like finesse it so you and towel don't go burncity?

>>13927409
I don't like it. I tolerate it at my office but I don't like it. *That* is the one where it's close to an espresso but falls short, at least a moka is different enough to be its own thing.

I was used to my amazing set-up back home and now Nespresso is just a sad compromise because it's free and convenient. (Also our machine at work takes these shitty """"pro"""" capsules so I cannot even buy my own).

>>13927420
Obvs >>13927239
>Once water is boiling, turn off flame temporarily, add basket, screw top on, turn flame back on and lift lid to see what's happening.

Although sometimes I have been known to do that when I feel like living on the edge

>>13927429
the nespresso post was a joke anon. its shit
we have those at work also, its 40 cents a pop, not worth it imo, but when compared to the other vending machines we have it is much better. ive resorted to bringing drip from home, got used to it when I lived in the US and its pretty good, but my coworkers make fun of me for it.

>>13927454
Can you tell it's still too raw for me? kek

>ive resorted to bringing drip from home, got used to it when I lived in the US and its pretty good, but my coworkers make fun of me for it.
Yeah that was my go-to until I came to this office with the free nespresso. And in the summer homemade cold-brew coffee instead.

>>13927454
>40 cents a pop, not worth it imo
clever pricing. not enough to cause outrage but still pricier than bringing your own.

>>13927475
thats one way of looking at it. heres mine.
I made a product that costs 5 times my yearly income, the coffee should be free. not even a communist. but here we are.

slightly off topic, but best Japanese canned coffee i can get here in the states?

Pic related I was in Tokyo in December and I remember this being really good, dont know if I can get it here though.

hey this is a pretty nice method.
you get to use cold water and it keeps the coffee from heating up in the process. i need to try this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRtF_CGY8GE&feature=emb_title

>>13927496

>>13927484
This is why I think my office are clever. For a corporate budget, free nespresso capsules and a couple of other (bulk-bought, individually distributed) perks that we get make SUCH a different in the esprit-de-corps, that really it's pointless to try and save on it by charging 40 fucking cents. The pro capsules means noones going to steal them to take them home either. Some companies cannot see how easy it is to make their employees happy with stupid small things like that.

>>13927504
canned ready to drink coffee silly

>>13927505
youre right, but at the same time i am conflicted because. its not white collar work. i dont know how we could have free coffee without having to have an extra person or four going around making sure the machines are working.

but then again, they could do it if they wanted to. we have enough extra people for it. i make cars by the way

>>13927499
>>13927499
okay that's too watery for me but i'm going to try it anyway because quarantine

>>13927512
oh... im not aware of nippon products but the starbucks double shot can is surprisingly good.
coke black or red bull cola were the best imo

>>13927521
okay for sure a car factory has a person skilled enough to take care of this shit, but in my firm it's all outsourced. the company that brings the capsules also services and decalc's the machines. In fact they don't actually do it on the premises, they bring a ready machine from the stock and take the "dirty" one to their base.

What would be great is if you have extra staff to make a mini-bar and rotate staff on barista duty!

>>13927530
Starbucks canned stuff usually is really sweet for me but i'll look into the double shot thanks!

>>13927536
yes it is sweet but it is actual coffee cream and sugar not water with coffee flavorings.
>>13927534
it would be to hard for them, and then the director wouldnt be able to make a small profit from a under the table deal corporate doesnt know about

>>13927556
sounds like you need to seize the means of production old chap

>>13927599
Not a communist. I’ll probably be fired soon though lol who’s gonna big cars anytime soon

>>13925418
>>simple electric grinder $10-$20
>Keep it cheap and simple and easy. Yes, grind your own beans, every time.
God damn /ctg/ has fallen hard, fucking NIGGERS out here suggesting fucking electric blade grinders?? You just blow in from r/coffee or something retard? Eat shit and get fucked

>>13927380
You use the kettle.

>>13927620
>let's turn away the newcomer unless he spends $150+ on a needless contraption
thank you for proving that I am objectively correct, you colossal nigger

>>13927620
Don't give him attention, it's absurd that anyone would recommend this.

>>13927677
Just drink instant coffee then, no point in wasting money on retarded shit like a blade grinder to get coffee on par with instant. If you're that fucking poor that you can't afford a decent grinder then find a different hobby you retarded faggot.

>>13927734
Calm down, blade grinders work fine

>>13927734
imagine being this pretentious

>>13925643
c1, the nano is too small if you don't wanna grind 2 batches

>>13928292
He's not wrong. Don't buy blade grinders. Don't buy cheap burr grinders. You can buy (fresh) preground from roasters that are phenomenal compared to uneven blade ground coffee.

>>13928588
You weren't following this chain. The root post is someone who is interested in trying out pourovers without spending a lot of money. The entire point is to give them something entry level. So when this faggot chimes in that they should buy an expensive hand grinder (note he didn't balk at my $150 strawman) then yes, he is "wrong" in this context. If you have a $10 hand grinder to suggest, be my guest.

>>13928610
There is no fucking reason to ever waste money on """entry-level""" garbage. Just buy something nice the first time so that you don't have to waste additional time and money upgrading once you realize that you bought useless crap. You are honestly more insufferable than the T******e shill and the peepsfag combined.

>>13928665
Stopped reading after the first sentence.
See:
>>13928292
>imagine being this pretentious
on a Bhutanese finger-painting forum of all places

>>13889357
r8 my dalgona

>>13928744
looks like shit, dumbass

>>13928744
Would try

>>13928744
Other than presentation I don’t understand the point of this, are you supposed to mix before drinking?

>>13928610
The off-brand ceramic conical burr hand grinders you get on amazon *are* much much better than cheap blade grinders as a baby step into the pour-over habit. In fact, you can go with one of those for a long time until you really feel the need to upgrade, unless you get the chance to try a bag of proper chemex grind from your roaster. Even still, for many people it's not convenient/possible to top up their coffee stash twice a week, which is realistically how often you'd need to do it to compensate for ground coffee "going bad". So for many, the dilemma is having freshly but not perfectly coffee every day, or perfectly ground stale coffee. You can also take it with you literally anywhere, those things are super small and easy to pack and need zero fuss or care.

Out of the two, I'd pick the cheap conical burr manual grinder any day of the week and if you disagree you're a retard. Eventually most people will shell out for a baratza encore at some point, which are reasonably affordable on sale or second hand or even new for most people and that's all they need as a pour-over drinker. But a blade-grinder is just never a good idea, it shouldn't be used for coffee, period.

>>13928665
I'd make that argument for a cheap espresso machine or a cheap electric grinder.

The cost of an off-brand manual grinder is so negligible that it's not even an issue. It costs as much as a cocktail at a bar for fucks sake.

>>13928610
If someone wants to learn to play tennis, I'm not going to recommend a fake $25 knockoff racquet from walmart for them to practice with. There is a minimum standard of quality that needs to be met. You can't practice your breaststroke in a kiddy pool.

>>13928917
And you'd be better off spending that $20 on a drink at the bar, or an lb of decent coffee. Buy once cry once. You're going to spend far more money incrementally spending $5 more on amazon expecting a decent product over 20 grinders.

>Find pic-related in local listings for 90 bucks.
>Seller is a retired in-house repair/maintenance guy for a hotel chain. Even tells me it's annual "tonnage" it went through (it was eye-watering).
>They sell for over a grand new so I got it.

So...a lot of parts are rusty and need dismantling and thorough cleaning. For sure, it is in a terrible state. But the worst part is, I didn't google first how much replacement burrs for these cunts cost....Brace yourselves:

https://www.partstown.com/bunn/bu05861-1002

Should I do it? What am I even going to do with this bad-boy if I fix it? I've already got a baratza for my pour-overs/mokas etc. You have to admit though, it's a fucking unit and a half.

kek

>>13928911
>>13928927
False analogy and you know it. Merely gatekeeping.
Still no link to anything in the price range, re-iterating everything I have said.
See:
>>13928292
>imagine being this pretentious

>>13928941
>You're going to spend far more money incrementally spending $5 more on amazon expecting a decent product over 20 grinders.
That's absolutely true, i would never recommend that. I would only ever tell someone to get it so they see *why* freshly ground coffee makes a difference to their cup.

Anyway for sure, it's best to bite the bullet and get a Baratza or a Jolly or a Vario like literally thousands of other coffee enthusiast do every year, but for most the almost 300 bucks of a new Baratza are too much of an initial step (which is why I keep banging on about used gear, even though I go and do stupid shit like >>13928955 )

>>13928968
https://www.amazon.it/Macinacaff%C3%A8-manuale-acciaio-Vaxiuja-Perfetto/dp/B07BRMN96J/ref=sr_1_16?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=hand+grinder+coffee&qid=1586912193&sr=8-16

Here you go cunt. Amazon even gave me a second one free because I complained about the plastic handle being flimsy kek.

And this one for the weeaboos: https://www.amazon.it/Hario-Coffee-Grinder-Skerton-japan/dp/B001802PIQ/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=hand+grinder+coffee&qid=1586912193&sr=8-2

I'm afraid they have to pay a 20 dollar tax for being weeaboos, they're not allowed the grinder in the first link.

>>13928968
>Merely gatekeeping.
Yes. And?

>>13928991
based

>>13928981
Junk.

>>13929035
/ck/'s biggest autist ladies and gents

italians are subhuman
https://www.amazon.com/AVNICUD-Adjustable-Portable-Stainless-Precision/dp/B07SR1L4ML/ref=sr_1_8

>>13928816
The Capresso Infinity's also a solid choice, and is only ~$90-160, depending on model. Bit simpler to work with, too.