/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>13887382
Nice gonna cop that

why the price is so high? do they have a special cast iron which can sing songs and give a deepthroat when you want it?

>>13887399
You pay for the special coating on the dutch ovens

Mom had one last 15 years
(She didnt take care of it)

>>13887399
Quality wise they are pretty much equivalent to La Creuset, meaning they will last you literal decades as long as you don't do something retarded like drop them down the stairs.
My grandma has one that's close to 20 years old and still looks basically new. It's something you buy for a lifetime instead of having to replace a cheap one every couple years when it will inevitably crack and the coating chips off.

Also available directly from the zwilling website.

Thanks OP

>>13887382
What kind of size would you recommend if I'm mainly going to be cooking just for myself and maybe one or two other people at most?
Is it still worth going for a bigger one or should I just grab one of the cheaper 4qt pots?

I don't have a Dutch Oven yet. I guess I could still cook smaller portions in a big one, right?

>>13887477
really depends what you're doing

If you're doing a braise for 1 or 2 people, a 4qt is more than enough, if you want to do something for a large family, or group, then you'll want a 9qt or 13.25qt

7Qt would be fine for a family of 4.

>>13887498
If I get a big one and just add enough for 1-2 people would that negatively impact the dish?
I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, I've never cooked anything with a dutch oven but have been wanting one for a long time and this seems like the perfect opportunity

>>13887514
It could cause some slight problems if you're trying to make something small in a massive 13qt dutch oven.

The "sweet spot" is right around 6qt.

>>13887382
>not being Le Creuset master race
>can’t even see his fond

>>13887514
In my opinion it does. You end up with more surface area for less food, and it cooks quicker. Any liquid reduce quicker so more liable to burn etc.

My dutch oven is roughly 4qts, and its a good size. I can normally make 3-4 servings. But a bit bigger would be better. If I had a choice I would go for 5-6qts depending on whats available.

I wouldnt recommend buying the biggest just because its on offer though. You will end up not using it.

>>13887555
>You end up with more surface area for less food, and it cooks quicker. Any liquid reduce quicker so more liable to burn etc.

You can work around it if you know what you're doing, but yea, it would cause problems if you're following a recipe that is using a 4qt or 5qt dutch oven and you're using a massive 13qt with the same proportions. Honestly though, even 7qt is pretty fucking big, I can't imagine using a 9qt or 13.25qt.

>>13887409
>>13887449
bros, any normal thick cast iron stuff lasts for decades and generations. you just treat it well and it can easily hit 200 years of service. 300 bucks is way too much.

>>13887459
but! 99 bucks is the price. damn, too bad I don't live in the states. I'd buy it.

>>13887596
This. Even cheap lodge ones will last for a long time with minimal care and theyre 1/10th of the price

>>13887565
>>13887555
The only way I'd see you using that is if you had a big family or a small business.

>>13887596
These are emailled cast iron, ie they trade a tiny bit of the non-stick capabilities a well seasoned cast iron pot has to get rid off absolutely every single drawback of cast iron. You can cook acidic shit in them 24 hours straight and it won't even faze them for example, whereas a plain cast iron pot would be an utter disaster at that point.

>>13887382
>paying for new products
>mfw got a vintage, barely used Le Creuset for $30 the other day at a thrift store

>>13887627
Yeah, and the whole point of braising is to use an acid to break down a tough cut of meat over a long period of time.

The kind of shit that would ruin bare iron.

>>13887627
enameled

>>13887553
Hey guys i got one of those food network niggas 2 christmases ago. Its held up great and ive used it probably 50 times. Do i have a piece of shit and got lucky or is this a decent piece of cookware?

>>13887637
>food network niggas
huh?

>>13887627
>>13887633
Yeah, but lodge and others make enameled ducth ovens too for cheaper. The question is whether staub and LC are really that significantly worth it as their prices indicate.

>>13887636
Sorry, of course.
I blame autocorrect.

>>13887644
Better handles, better quality control, usually a bit thicker.

>>13887650
I guess I'd just have to try one. I've been pretty satisfied with my victoria bare cast iron.

>use shitty mass produced wartime dutch oven inherited from grandma
>"ugh this thing sucks i can't wait to buy a real dutch oven"
>finally buy an 8qt staub
>never use it
>prefer grandma's
>i miss you grandma you killed so many japs in the war and seduced a based huwight irishman and made him take you to the states

recipes for this feel?

>>13887382
Ended up getting my mom this one for christmas, since her slow cooker broke and she adores chickens

>>13887676
Irish aren't white

Any burgers willing to buy it if I pay and pay for shipping?

T.bong

>>13888176
shipping would be expensive as fuck.

The 4Qt is ~4.8kg

You'd be looking at ~$50+ in shipping charges. You'd also be potentially hit with import duties once it gets to the UK as well.

Probably wouldn't be worth the hassle

>>13888191
Free shipping with target

>>13888571
not to the UK

>>13888168
Absolutely based and WASP pilled

>>13887382
I'm looking at the 5.2L one with a steamer insert, but according to their site it's only 11.80cm high not counting the lid, is that normal?
It seems kinda low if I want to make stuff like chili in it...
But the bigger 6.7L Cocotte is only 13.20cm high too, is that normal for a Dutch Oven?

what do you cook in this?
do you boil potatoes & rice in it?

>>13889846
Stew, braise, soup, chili, e.t.c

>>13889846
Any and everything you can think of that involves a skillet, pot, and/or goes into the oven.
From cooking rice, over mac&cheese, searing steaks, stews, braises, and stir frys, all the way to baking bread.

It's like a high quality pot, skillet, and oven dish all in one ontop of also letting you do the things dutch ovens are famous for.

>no pickup from store option
>live in a shithole neighborhood where my package would be stolen from my apartment immediately after dropped off
oh well

>>13887382
>$300 off
I’m good with my amazon basics...

>>13887382
Bros.... what color?
Black is just boring, Cherry Red looks kind of offensive and is way into your face, Green is icky, but the much nice Genadine Red isn't on sale.

>>13889905
I went with black, was going to get white because you can see food better but figure it would look worse with usage

>>13889931
same, black is boring and basic, but also non-offensive and safe from long term discoloration from use.

Lets not get things twisted. Cooking is cool and in now, so its not uncommon to see late 20s early 30s males who like cooking buy these things and talk about how it will last 30 years or whatever.

I dont need 400 dollar cookware, I have basic kitchen shit I bought on amazon that just more than fine. Who really spends money on this? I just dont see the ROI. I bought cheap shit 6+ years ago and haven't replaced it.

>>13889938
people who are 27-40 year olds with disposable income and a desire to show themselves and others around them that they're successful and can purchase nice things.

>>13889938
that's why you buy $400 cookware when it costs $100

>>13889938
Even cheapo Dutch Ovens that will age like dirt are around 60$.
100$ for a model/brand that is widely considered the best of the best and has a life long warranty isn't a big step up for that.

>>13889950
but the amazon basics one is only $45.

>>13887650
>m-muh handles!
Sounds like BS. I'll stick to lodge.

>>13889956
>its only oven safe up to 400f
oof, sounds like a ripoff to me

>>13889953
Oh, it is. Nevermind then.
Go for it, buy the 45$ Amazon Basics model instead.

>>13889974
I already ordered the staub, just saying the cheap ones are cheaper than $60.

>>13889905
Im getting the turquoise one

>>13889970
Meanwhile lodge for comparison.

>but my special name brand waaa! you can't get better products from cheaper brands! it's not fair!
People are so stupid and gullible.

>>13887627
>You can cook acidic shit in them 24 hours straight and it won't even faze them for example, whereas a plain cast iron pot would be an utter disaster at that point.

I cook acidic stuff on my cast-iron all the time and theres nothing wrong with it

>>13890007
short term it's fine, but you can't do it for long or it'll strip your seasoning and start to rust.

I use my cast iron for tomato based pasta sauces without issue, but i'm only cooking in it for 30-60 minutes, not 12+ hours at a time.

>>13890019
>short term it's fine, but you can't do it for long or it'll strip your seasoning and start to rust.
Well ihaven't had that problem myself

>>13890032
Honestly, it all depends how good your seasoning is.

If you've got a brand new lodge with a factory season, don't do anything acidic with it until you've used it heavily for a few months.

But if you've got a nice strong built up seasoning on your pan, it should have no issues with acidic ingredients. I wouldn't want to CONTINUOUSLY cook acidic meals in it, over and over, but just occasionally it wont cause any problems long term.

Invicta is pretty good and cheap, this big girl was less than 100€

>>13889997
not him but the staub is only $20-30 more right now

These 4qt staubs have been $100 online for what seems like a year now

>>13890089
Nah, they've been down to $100 3-4 times, but it's only ever been for a few days at a time, then it's back to $130-160.

And again, this is only for certain colors, most the more interesting colors never drop down that low.

>>13890069
It's actually even less than that since he picked the absolutely miniscule 1.5qt Lodge in that shot.

would 4qt be too small to bake bread in? competing answers online.

>>13890069
True, you could pay 20 or 30 more for a worse product if you want. Good thinking anon.

>>13890119

>>13890116
4qt is about the smallest you can do, and most recipes I know of call for 5.5qt.

>>13890116
this was done in a 6qt, so i imagine a 4qt would work as well, might just need to adjust your dough amount slightly.

>>13890116
you should be fine, I think my lodge combo cooker is 3qt and I've made bread in it a few times

>>13890116
Sure, you just have to scale down the recipes meant for bigger bread.
It's not really as easy as just dividing all the numbers with a common denominator when you are working with yeast, but with some reading up and experience you can do it no problem.

Does anyone have one of these steaming inserts?
What do you use them for?
Contemplating whether it's worth the extra 10$ for me

>>13890116
That’s precisely the size recommend in FWSY. I use mine and it works perfectly for 500g breads.

Thanks anon bought it

tempted to buy one. what do you usually cook in these?

>>13890790
anything

>he didn't get the 7-qt from crate and barrel for 120 last year

>>13887690
you're a good son

>>13889938
I understand your point, and agree with you when it comes to stuff I don't use very much. But there are things that are worth it (to me) to spend the extra money on for quality...shoes, mattress, good kitchen knife, and depending on how much you cook - a dutch oven. Lots of other stuff, too. For example I will never eat a store brand graham cracker again - for me it's Honeymaid.

>>13890049
exactly. I use my lodge skillet every day and can make spaghetti sauce (6-8 hours on a simmer) with no problem. just dont let it sit in there

>>13890217
boil water in the bottom and steam veggies or whatever in the steam pan. its the best way to make broccoli, grean beans, and probably some other stuff.

>>13887449
staub is better than le creuset though

Thanks OP, been wanting a French one. 4Qt seems like a good size to bake a nice loaf of bread.

>>13891194
I thought La Creuset is supposed to be the best of the best?

>>13891970
They're both made by frogs

Who cares? Just buy the cheaper one

>>13892004
La Creuset makes most of their stuff in Spain and Staubs in Belgium...

>>13892014
Says made in France on target website.

Hell yeah, I've needed a Dutch oven for a while now and I was about to just get a Lodge or something. Good on you, OP.

>>13887690
wholesome son

Is it worth buying one of these for 150€ or is that too much?
They aren't on sale here right now but I'm moving soon, don't really have any pots of my own yet, and definitely do want a dutchy.
Just not sure whether to buy one of these or get a cheapo basic bitch one

>>13891145
>and depending on how much you cook - a dutch oven.

there is no measurable difference in the performance of a staub or le creuset vs a lodge

the other things you said are measurably different to huge degrees based on price/quality. except knives, which are also jerkoff shit to spend lots of money on, unless you're a literal high end sushi chef.

who the fuck ever ate non honeymaid graham crackers son wtf

>>13889997
>muh Lodge is cheap!
>posts price of 1.5 qt
short bus brain

>>13890220
Thanks for the book rec, I'll have a read

>>13892554
Only the smallest staub is $100, the bigger ones get more expensive too. Idiot.

>>13892886
Just stop.

50s or 60s wiring.

>13893022
>50s or 60s wiring.
What did they mean by this

>>13893024
Les paul wiring. Are you a noob. I'm buying another aldrich pup and an obsidian wireless kit. They have 50s 60s and modern. Mines already modern wired.

>13893030
>Les paul wiring. Are you a noob. I'm buying another aldrich pup and an obsidian wireless kit. They have 50s 60s and modern. Mines already modern wired.
What did they mean by this

>>13893030
shut the fuck up

>>13887382
thx OP

>>13889897
>allowing chink "iron" to touch what you eat
enjoy cancer anon

>>13887382
I AM interested, as I am looking for a bare or enameled dutch oven. Why should I buy a Staub over anything else?
Pic only tangentially related

>>13893209
well I smoke, drink, smoke weed, smoke food, and grill over charcoal so I’m not overly concerned.

>>13893266
Similar to le creuset in quality and brand recognition, but much cheaper during this sale.

The Staub online store has a the larger sizes available on sale (though much more expensive, 5.5qt, 5.75qt, and 6qt are $280, 7qt is $365, 9qt is $409)

>>13893318
I am only usually cooking for one or two though, I am not after a full size one, so three to four quarts is pretty ideal for me. I would just need to scale down recipies that call for larger Dutch ovens.

>>13893357
The 5qts one comes with a free steamer insert (>>13890217)
Might be something worth looking into

>>13893362
the 5.5qt is $260 though (william sonoma website)

That's $160 more for 1.5qt large.

Just doesn't seem worth it, even if a steamer is thrown in.

>>13893372
Agreed, 4qt is by far the best deal

>>13889983
Stfu poor nigger

How easy are these to clean?
Do I have to be super careful when I put them in the sink so they don't chip or can they take some light abuse?
I only have our bathroom (porcelain, so a lot harder than stainless) sink to clean shit in right now and it's always pretty annoying and my pans and stuff often bump into it with some light force while scrubbing. Would that damage the enameled exterior potentially?

is this only for the us?

>this fucking blatant advertising post
This board is pure shit.

>>13895963
that's like claiming hot deals forums are just advertisements, fuck off, if something is on sale, people will care about it.

>>13895963
yeah man a post on seekay with a misspelling of "nigger" talking about a cast iron pan that's probably on firresale is really a great use of Staub's advertising dollars

>>13887382

$300 _off_? How much does that thing cost in the first place?!

>>13891970
no? who are you listening to, soccer moms?
staub dimples the inside cover of their lid to even out the condensation.
creuset basic bitches BTFO

>>13891970
Staub has a much better designed lid.
It fits much better and has both dimples for condensation and an indentation on the top so you can easily put hot coals or ice ontop for different cooking methods.
La Creuset on the other hand is a bit lighter and has a bright smooth interior, which makes cleaning and just all around handling their pots a lot easier.

If you are looking at it purely from a cooking standpoint Staub is absolutely the better choice, those extra couple seconds cleaning aren't going to kill anyone.

>>13896082
They're almost never full MSRP, but depending on the color normal price is $140-270.

The colors on sale for $99 currently are what is normally $140-160. So $99 is still a decent price, but nowhere near as good a deal as what the MSRP would lead you to think.

anyone else shipped yet?

>>13887382
Could I use it for bread? Soups?

>>13887382
Thanks, OP. My Mother's Day shopping is done.

>>13887628

Enjoy your leached led

>>13896648
I got the turquoise one and it shipped this morning
Might get another one for my mom as a birthday oresent desu

With the lid it's only 6 inches tall kek. So many people are going to be disappointed when they get this is in the mail. I can almost see the apprehension as they notice how small the box is, their smile slowly fading as they try desperately to pretend like they knew as they pull it out of the box, holding back tears of frustration, knowing they had just been tricked.

>>13893266
buy the lodge for $50.

there's no difference in how they perform

>>13897466
lmao are you retarded? 4qt is fairly standard size, 5.5qt is probably MORE standard, but 4qt is just slightly on the small side, fine for 2-3 people.

>>13897466
You realize that's a design feature, right?
If you want 10L capacity get a stock pot.

>>13887382
my roommate works at target so I got him to get it for me for an additional 15% off. pretty stoked

>>13887628
not everyone is fortunate enough to have good thrift stores. i only found a of regular couple cast iron pans once and never again.
>>13896648
not yet. i got white, though.

>>13887644
lodge uses china for their enameled pieces.

>>13887382
A dutch oven is something I really really want, but don't really NEED.

So I will keep an eye on the local Value Village, I got all of my Corningware there. My local Value Village is surrounded by houses so there are tons of good stuff.

>>13889931
>because you can see food better
all of them are black on the inside so that's irrelevant also do you have trouble seeing food on black cast iron pans? really?

>>13897631
>lodge uses china for their enameled pieces.

lodge's china production facilities are run and directed by americans. they go out of the way to point this out.

>>13897631
>lodge uses china for their enameled pieces.
One more reason why I enjoy buying cookware from decades ago at second hand shops, especially in areas with little houses where old white people have live forever.

>>13890202
you could also just toss out some of the dough instead of doing all that dividing bullshit

>>13897466
Supposed to fit in an oven m8. 4q is 4q.

>>13897466
Target has a very generous return policy, at least. I got it because I wanted something a bit larger than my 3qt.

>>13887382
Is there any practical difference between the black and all of the other colors?

>>13897858
no, just aesthetic.

>>13897858
no especially since the interior is black for all of them

I already have an enameled dutch oven I got from Aldis that's 6 quarts. Should I blow $100 on a smaller Staub?

>>13897959
fuck yes

>not buying your Le Creusets and Staubs at Marshalls/TJ Maxx/Home Goods
You can find 4-5 quarts for ~$100 at these places

Is it that much better than Lodge?

>>13898134
The enamel will hold up better and you can flex on poor people

>>13890007

The problem with acidic foods in cast iron isn't that it destroys it (it does strip the seasoninh), it's that it gives you iron poisoning. If you're a girl that's probably a good thing, keep going, but if you're a guy you might wanna get your iron levels checked.

>>13898134

Staub and creuset actually do perform better in most ways, creuset is even the lightest cast iron on the market. The question is if you're willing to spend that kind of money on a dutch oven

>>13897768
If that's the biggest you can fit in your oven your kitchen is a joke.

This type of stuff is usually found at vintage or antique stores

>>13897466
If you're cooking for 1 or 2 people (99% of the people on this board) 4qt is perfect.

>>13893030
Shut the fuck up, boomer. Les Pauls are boring old man guitars for boring old pieces of shit. I play a Strat because I actually know how to dial in a good sound with single coils. I bet you don't even have a middle pickup on your Les Paul, faggot. Wow, look at me guys, I play a Les Paul and a Marshall JCM900 because I'm stuck in the '80s. Bitch, I'd get better tone than you with a Squier Bullet and a solid state combo. You're such a dumb boomer that you're not even on the right board. You saw that no one knew what the fuck you were talking about and you made more posts anyway. 50s or 60s wiring? How about 2020 wiring, faggot? Why are you trying to play rock on an old jazz guitar anyway? I play a Strat because I fucking ROCK. Get the Jimmy Page wiring on your Les Paul so you can play with all 4 knobs like you play with your nipples all day. Faggot. Maybe one day you'll nail your tone, and the 7 people in the bar will dig it. You'll get that perfect vintage tone with your paper in oil caps and your vintage wiring. Meanwhile I sound like a rock GOD with literally anything I plug into. Here's an uncomfortable truth, boomer. Here is the one thing I leave you with:

Tone is in the hands

>>13898215
I mean, a dutch oven is easily one of, if not the most versatile kitchen utensil there is.
If I had to pick just a single style of skillet or pot to have in my kitchen I'd bring my dutchy, there's really not much you can't make in one and have it come out perfectly, so if you spend money on something high quality for your kitchen that's one of the first few things it should go towards imo

I got a Lodge one (the """Cheap""" version when compared to Staub and le creuset) for Xmas and it's still fucking great.

You cant cook a shit ton of different stuff in it mostly.

Also I got one of the big boy ones though, if you get one of the babby ones you're really limiting yourself. The small ones are essentially really expensive decorations.

>>13898490
er, "Can" cook a ton of shit

>>13898490
enameled or bare?

>>13889905
My mom has a deep dark blue and I like it a lot more than my red one. Much more class.

>>13898134
lodge lids have smooth undersides and I'm always pouring water on my counter when I check on stuff. I bought a staub to see if the lid is nicer. at $100 it's worth it just to see

>>13889905
Post pic of your kitchen

>>13890217
I'd do it, even if you don't steam veggies on the regular you might do it like, four times in your lifetime for thanksgiving or something. That's worth $10 to me, as long as you have the kitchen space.

I'm not going to buy one because my kitchen is small as shit and although it will probably replace 4 of my pans, I'll need to find room for it while I integrate it into my flow. I'll just wait until I can afford a house, for now my nonstick does just fine.

>>13890136

Can you just slick up the inside of the dutch oven and put the dough or cake batter in there without any baking sheet?

>>13889905
>not going for pic related
smdh

>>13900114
You can, it's just going to be a lot harder to remove the bread without damaging it if you are baking something more delicate like soft white bread that doesn't bake a proper crust.

>>13900157
They had a full size Tatooine one and a darth vader one, the one you're showing off is one of the mini ones.


The tatooine one was $900 though and only 9 were available and you had to sign up just to get a CHANCE to buy one.

The darth vader one is only like $300-400, and more widely available, I believe still in-stock at william sonoma.

>>13900244
darth vader pic for reference.

>>13900157
this is really autistic

>>13900157
>>13900244
>>13900249

>>13898215
>Staub and creuset actually do perform better in most ways
What makes them special from say an enameled Lodge dutch oven? I have a cheapo whatever brand from Walmart and it's been doing a great job of baking bread, making stews, etc. I haven't worked with a staub/creuset so I don't have any sort of reference to why they would perform better.

>>13900910
Yeah I dont understand why I would pay $100 let alone 300+ for the same shit that's 50 at Walmart

>>13900943
because it lasts longer and can take higher temps without cracking.

Amazon basics and lodge and other cheap chinese shit tend to be much more susceptible to sudden catastrophic failure of the interior lining. Pic related, $50 amazon dutch oven.

after reading reviews the complaints are:
>black interior makes it hard to see what you're cooking
>small handles
>knob on the top becomes loose easily
>dimples under the lid that are supposed to circulate air don't do anything

aside from those they all say it's great

>>13900952
If you don't put in temperatures higher than it's designed to go like a complete retard then you won't have that "problem."

>>13900989
>aside from the numerous flaws it's a flawless product hurrrrr!
Fucking moron.

>>13901084
well staub are good up to 500f with the knob on the lid, and 900f without the knob on the lid

Amazon basics are 400f, lodge are 500f

>>13901084
So you're saying the cheap stuff can't handle things the more expensive one can? Thanks for the insight.

Looks like a great deal and I need a dutch oven, but 4QTs seems kind of small. I'm on the fence.

>>13900989
They're not to circulate air, they're there to provide points for the steam to condense so it can drip back down and baste the food you're braising.

>>13900989
The black interior is something people seem pretty mixed on. Supposedly it reflects heat much better than the bright one which is supposed to help with slightly more even heat distribution throughout the entire pot, but that's probably so minor it will be absolutely unnoticeable outside of a lab.

The knob you can just screw on and off freely. It's supposed to be taken off when you stack coal ontop of it, but who actually uses their expensive Dutch Ovens on an actual fire?

The dimples are pretty nice when you are steaming shit since it causes all the liquids to be spread around and drop back down pretty evenly. They are also a really nice QoL feature since having them keeps the lid from spilling condensation liquids all over your stovetop when you take the lid off, that's something I always really fucking hated with my previous Dutchy

>>13901108
Le creuset has their 5.25qt deep dutch oven for $200 right now.

Cheaper than the staub 5.5qt at $260-280.

>>13900989
>black interior makes it hard to see what you're cooking
i've heard it helps with better browning though, also the white interior of others tends to show scratches easily when you use metal implements.

>>13901090
why are you mad?

>>13901129
That also seems like a good deal but I'm not sure I want to spend 200$ either.

>>13901144
The 4qt is large enough for most small families or individuals.

>>13901155
It's just me but I usually cook a week's worth of food at a time.

>>13901170
that sounds depressing as fuck, eating the same meal all week?

>>13901173
It's significantly cheaper and saves on time. Do you not do anything besides cook?

>>13901182
I mean, I cook for probably 60-90 minutes a day, quick meal for breakfast, larger meal for dinner.

I either skip lunch or grab a sandwich or something from near work.

Currently with the lockdown i'm probably spending 2hours or more a day cooking, making a larger breakfast and making my lunch on top of the normal dinner meals.

>>13901155
I really only ever cook for myself and have both a cheapo 4qts and a La Creuset 5.5qts one.
I use the 5.5qts pot a lot more, it's pretty much the ideal size to cook 2-3 meals for me at once.
I mostly make stuff like stews and chilli, things that easily keep for a handful of days without having to stress about it, so I just cook once and then spread my meals of it around the week, doesn't have to be three days in a row, this stuff lasts no problem in the fridge after all. It's pretty comfy.

>>13901198
Oh I don't disagree, 5.5-6qt is the sweet spot for sure. Just saying 4qt is fine, especially at $100 vs $200+ for 5qt ones.

>>13901182
>Do you not do anything besides cook?
Way to try spinning cooking like a normal person into some sort of obsession.

>>13900952
amazon basics and lodge do not go in the same breath together

once again, look up lodge's manufacturing info, they specifically go out of the way to say their manufacturing facility in china is completely run by americans. they are a trusted and ancient brand.

amazon basics is just cheap shit sourced from the cheapest possible source. they have nothing to do with each other.

go ahead and convince yourself you need to pay $400 for an iron vessel with enamel on it, though. i'll be over here owning multiple nice things instead of one.

>>13901511
meanwhile from the lodge reviews on amazon

pic related is after a couple of years of use.

>>13901527
>>13901511
Piss poor quality control as well, this one was bought new, thankfully amazon has good returns but even so, this shit shouldn't make it out of the chinese factory, let alone make it to amazon's warehouse for sale.

>>13901527
oh wow amazon reviews, the retard center of the internet.

>clearly used metal utensils on it constantly

wow what happened

>>13901557
Yes and it wore away HEAVILY, le creuset would just show a few scratches over the years, but not get degraded to THAT point.

Again, paying for something of higher quality shockingly enough means it lasts longer under abuse.

>>13901566
>Yes and it wore away HEAVILY, le creuset would just show a few scratches over the years, but not get degraded to THAT point.

i don't agree whatsoever

1 star amazon reviews are completely and totally useless and if you believe them it's on you.

>this product has almost a five star rating with 4,000 reviews, BUT THIS ONE PERSON WHO USED IT INCORRECTLY INVALIDATES THAT!!!!!!!!!! THIS ONE WAS DAMAGED IN SHIPPING SO THEY'RE ALL INVALID!!!!!!!!!!!!

don't you have some facebook memes to post, boomer?

I don't understand why /ck/ is such a low iq board

>>13901557
>>clearly used metal utensils on it constantly
I do this on my Staub constantly and it's been fine for years

>>13901572
no more like most retards who buy cheap dutch ovens aren't actually using them heavily.

If you want a dutch oven to be used heavily for YEARS, you buy a decent brand, staub or le creuset being the obvious two big ones.

>>13901574
wow thats cool, i dont use metal utensils on mine so it will never wear whatsoever

maybe you should use your possessions correctly so you dont have to pay 6x as much for them to be retard-proof?

what you are doing is putting expensive shit on a pedestal, this is a feature of stupid people, you are basically a nigger with jordans.

>>13901579
or buy the lodge and don't use metal utensils in it as you aren't supposed to use metal utensils on enamel, this is fact and objectively inarguable

i'll see you in 10 years with my $50 lodge being perfectly fine and having more high quality things than you in general since i'm not stupid like you and make more money, so i don't feel the need to buy status items to lie to myself about my place in life

nigger with jordans.

>>13901583
>Getting mad at people who own superior products
You have problems

>>13901557
My grandma has had her Staub for close to 20 years now and gives absolutely zero shit about using plastic or wooden utensils.
She has a ton of scratched to hell steel pans but the Staub only has a few extremely minor scratches that you can barely tell are there unless you shine in with a flashlight and specifically look for them despite being in near constant use.

>>13901533
Talking about quality reminds me that I bought one of the Le Cruset online years ago. The enamel was cracked all over on the inside of the pot, and there were a few flakes completely missing. I got a full refund from the seller, so it was only a little time lost. I ended up buying a Staub, and it's been going strong ever since. Not that I think Le Cruset is bad, or that Staub is better, but I found a 4qt for less than 1/3 the price of the Le Cruset, so my 2 cents is that it's much more bang for the buck, unless you're hung up on style or color.

>>13901588
Do you own anodized aluminum pans too and shit up threads about people buying good quality stainless steel or copper pans?

>>13901595
okay annnnnnnnnnd i still don't use metal utensils on mine so it will never scratch or wear under any circumstances?

what don't you understand about this?

>BUT YOU CAN PAY 6X MORE TO USE IT WRONG!!!!!!!!!

how much money do you make? are you sure you can afford the jordans on your budget? you seem like a low-information person

>>13901603
nice topic change because you were defeated in the argument jordansnigger

>>13901613
no just bringing up something that retards like yourself often do, defend their shit cheap ass cookware because iT JUsT WerKS

>>13901620
>YOU CAN PAY MORE MONEY TO USE IT WRONG!!!!!!!

yes things do just work when you use them correctly

>THIS ONE RETARD ON AMAZON RUINED HIS DUTCH OVEN BY SCRAPING IT WITH KNIVES AND SHIT!!!!!! SO THEY'RE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://facebook.com heres a handy link for you boomer woman

>>13901626
done with the jordans racism?

>>13901626
>>YOU CAN PAY MORE MONEY TO USE IT WRONG!!!!!!!
It's not using it wrong if it doesn't fall apart at the mere sight of metal.

>>13901636
>you should use metal utensils on ceramic coatings

nice to see that you've officially taken the position of doing things wrong on purpose, conversation is now over

make sure you throw away any plastic bags you come across so you don't suffocate yourself

>>13901635
DAS RACIS

>>>/reddit/ tourist

>>13901640

>>13901640
>Don't do my budget dutch oven can't handle it with superior ones that can easily withstand decades of the same treatment
Advanced fox and the grapes

>>13901669
>I pay more for things so i can intentionally damage them

at least niggers take care of their jordans.

>>13901678
>niggers take care of their jordans
MOOOOOOOM I POSTED IT AGAIN

>>13901678
>damage them
This doesn't happen. Have sex

>>13901115
>baste
you mean make it soggy dumb fuck

>>13901140
Because I constantly have to deal with insufferable faggots like you.

>>13901740
lmao, are you dumb?

>>13901740
>cooking something in a closed liquid environment
>some liquid dripping on it will make it soggy
God damn you're stupid

>>13901743
>I'm not the problem, literally everyone else is
I'm beggin ya to have sex