/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>toxic masculinity

no

>>13867630
he got 7 points more than this post

Kenji has done some interesting experiments and recipes but his opinions are generally frothing-at-the-mouth tranny garbage. Not worth listening to for even a second.

>>13867577
what he describes is typical blue collar behavior.
Don't expect middle class ethics from lower class.
Ramsay is a low class prole who had a lucky break. I'm not shitting on his skills but there are plenty of good chefs who are not as rich as he is.
In anycase, opressing your underlings, cutting corners etc are common behavior.

>>13867639
My sentiment more or less

>>13867577
That's because everything people have seen of Gordon Ramsay is on a television show meant to entertain people.

As someone else said, he has had a few good ideas, but he's generally overrated. He's just redoing existing recipes with "le epic science"that's 90% trendy ingredients and techniques. He's not a real chef by his own admission, so his opinions are irrelevant on professional kitchens.

His general Taos recipe is legit, though.

>>13867642
>Ramsay is a low class prole
This. You can't make the guy classy, educated or not a bully abuser. Ramsay is a poor educator and not a talent, and people should stop watching him.

Always keep in mind, that your own critical thinking skills may be exceptional, not average. Remember, 50% of the IQ bell curve is below average. The majority of people are actually just average, and people will do what they'll want to do. If you lost the genetic lottery, never once achieved in academic endeavors starting in your early childhood...if you fried youro brain through a lifetime of bad choices, and you enjoy cable TV as your only source of any entertainment? Well, then, such is your life.
I think Kenji Alt is one step beneath Christopher Kimball in stupid nonsense, but they're both laughing all the way to the bank as they woo and get people to subscribe to their latest post. People idolize both and their "let's reverse engineer some asinine nontraditional recipe we found on the internet to make the best ______" ignoring all traditional chemistry understandings, basic science or already known culinary understandings from the people who did go to culinary school or make that recipe right in whatever region it is from.

If you don't like someone, don't buy their product. That's how people go away and better people step in. Never for a moment think these two fools are actual chefs. They are in the business of selling you on image, marketing, and their non-cooking products.

>>13867639
>>13867662
Ad hominem.
>>13867642
>what he describes is typical blue collar behavior.
Nope. It's the typical behaviour of human garbage.
I've worked in a kitchen. Not everyone behaves like a cunt.

>>13867729
His opinions not directly relating to food itself are deranged, regardless of his character.

>>13867729
Hi Kenji!

>>13867756
Kenji would never say the c slur, it's a micro aggression!

>>13867751
>His opinions not directly relating to food itself are deranged
He gave actual examples of abusive behaviour. So no it's not "deranged"
>>13867756
Hi r3ddit.

>>13867729
>Not everyone behaves like a cunt.
Of course,
Not all chefs are cunts
Not all blue collars are cunts
but cuntish blue collars act like him.

>>13867803
And then he described them as “toxic masculinity”. Opinion discarded.

>>13867577
When was the last time Gordon even ran a kitchen?

>>13867729
A kitchen isn't the same as a fine dining restaurant trying to maintain its stars. Kenji and Gordon are from 2 completely different worlds and he along with the rest of this board will never understand that kind of environment.

>>13867577
Considering I have no idea who he is, and everyone knows who Gordon is, I'm going to say he is wrong.

>>13867729
I can testify to this huge personalities like Gordon's are what makes the job shitty. If people actually wanted to see improvement from fellow chef's they'd show support, this is all I've ever gotten to work in my experience. Instead Gordon is running the same rut into the ground that he learned from Marco (an actual chef, but absolutely abysmal person). But that's reality tv for you.

>>13867814
>And then he described them as “toxic masculinity”. Opinion discarded.
Does the term toxic masculinity hurt your feelings?
>>13867846
"fine dining" is not an excuse to throw hot pan at another person.

>>13867577

>>13867639
Never trust a man who allows his last name to be hyphenated.

>>13867812
>Not all chefs are cunts
>Not all blue collars are cunts
>but cuntish blue collars act like him.
Of course. But being blue collar shouldn't be used as an excuse for such behaviour. Call a spade a spade.

>>13867577
everything would have been just fine if he left out that toxic masculinity faggotry

>>13867932
The back room is a shitbox and he's right to say so. Just because you're some dumb piece of shit that hasn't worked their doesn't mean you know a goddamn thing.

>>13867908
Is that from British newspaper "The Harridan"?

>>13867729
>ad hominem
>op posts nothing but unsubstantiated narratives but suddenly fallacies are an issue

>>13867726
>Always keep in mind, that your own critical thinking skills may be exceptional, not average. Remember, 50% of the IQ bell curve is below average. The majority of people are actually just average, and people will do what they'll want to do. If you lost the genetic lottery, never once achieved in academic endeavors starting in your early childhood...if you fried youro brain through a lifetime of bad choices, and you enjoy cable TV as your only source of any entertainment? Well, then, such is your life.
How the fuck is any of that relevant? That whole tangent just screams unresolved issues to me.

>>13867726
Ramsay went from public housing in a Scottish estate, working in a chipper to owning multiple Michelin star restaurants across the world. He went to France with no connections or experience and worked his way from the bottom to where he is.

You sit at home typing this pseudo intellectual drivel on 4chan.

>>13867577
>Took wife's last name
>Goes by his middle name to seem "ethnic"

Don't trust him if it's not about food

>>13867951
take your meds, schizo.

>>13867900
>Does the term toxic masculinity hurt your feelings?

It's just a lame, vague buzzward that can mean anything from "bottling up emotions" to "not wanting to suck a tranny's dick"

>>13868017
>not wanting to suck a tranny's dick

?????
got something to share buddy?

>>13867726
>how to not make friends and isolate yourself

>>13868017
You'd have a point if he didn't elaborate.

It's ok, Kenji can be a SJW cuck and Gordon Ramsay can be a prick at the same time.

>>13867577
Ramsay had it rough his whole life. Grew up poor, his father and brother were alcoholics, he had a shit childhood and had seen the worst of life before he even left school.

Kenjis parents were rich Harvard graduates. He went to a rich culinary school.

It's impossible to expect someone like Kenji to understand Ramsay. When you've lived through hard times, you don't really care about being polite and respectful. You care about results and being the best. Kenji is happy with his little restaurant in wherever the fuck America. Ramsay built an empire and is known around the world.

Like I said, it's not even Kenjis fault. You really can't expect him to even begin to understand. I've had similar experiences too where I had a shit childhood and had to fend for myself. I've worked as a pastry chef in restaurants across my country and I've made female co-workers break down crying without even knowing what I did wrong.

>>13868041
>Like I said, it's not even Kenjis fault. You really can't expect him to even begin to understand. I've had similar experiences too where I had a shit childhood and had to fend for myself. I've worked as a pastry chef in restaurants across my country and I've made female co-workers break down crying without even knowing what I did wrong.
So in a nutshell you make doughnuts and have a history of being difficult to work with and that's why you think you could compare yourself to Gordon?

>>13868057
Or it's easy to say "Just be nice to everyone" when every person in your life has always been nice to you.

>>13868057
No. Its about different mindsets. I work fine with people like me who had their own shit they had to go through. We yell and call each other assholes but then we're good friends after. It's people like Kenji who take it to heart and don't realise it's just how we are

>>13868041
Heartfelt rags to riches story is no excuse to throw hot pans in kitchen.

>>13868074
You're awfully hung up on this one "anecdote". Is there a reason?

>>13868078
Yes. Hot pan very dangerous.

>>13868041
He became a millionaire playing football. It's not exactly rags to riches in the way you imply it is.

But you're right on the personality front. Some people take banter on the chin and thrive on it, others fold and cry (we call those Americans). Ramsay is a cunt, always has been and always will be but that doesn't mean the core mentality is wrong just because it's not politically correct.

Reminder Ramsay shit all over instant food like Turkey twizlers while at the same time writing articles and promoting the exact same products in a magazine while his TV show aired. Literal two faced cunt who told people not to buy things on TV then told them to in a book selling them.

>>13868041
boo fucking hoo, what a cringeworthy bunch of shameless self-adulation. your parents weren't millionaires. welcome to the club.

>>13868057
>>13867577
>>13868041
>Kenjis parents were rich Harvard graduates.
Is that true? If that’s the case, yeah fuck this guy. You grow up in the kind lf home were two parents could’ve afforded ivy-league education, you’re not really apt at talking about ethics. You grew up in a bubble and never had to take shit. “Toxic masculinity” to this kind of guy just means “he didn’t kiss my ass for merely existing”.

>>13868103
>He became a millionaire playing football. It's not exactly rags to riches in the way you imply it is.

Are you retarded?

>>13867726

>>13868121
are you retarded? He got signed by the biggest football club in scotland and then got injured. Do you know how much money that would get you?

>>13868136
That never happened.

>>13867577
>toxic masculinity
stupid idea
>ramsey is a bad influence on the industry
Probably. The amount of chefs young chefs that are convinced that acting like him is the way to make a successful career is crazy.

Ramsey is a cunt, and on of the very few lucky enough to be successful. the millions of chefs who act like him are also cunts, who make the industry a worse place, and aren't individually successful.

>>13868184
Never happened except where he talks about it, does a TV episode returning to Rangers and it's even on his wikipedia article.

Fucking idiot.

>>13868136
>>13868192

Jesus...2020 and this is actually still being perpetuated.

He was never signed by Rangers. He was on trial and played in a testimonial (basically an exhibition match for those who aren't Bongs). Even the club historians couldn't find anything on him ever playing for the club.

>>13868197
Giovanni Trapattoni said Ramsay was one of England's biggest talents at that time.

>>13868197
Have you seen Scottish record keeping? They can barely sign their own names.

If you read his story you would see it obviously doesn't make sense without a huge amount of money coming from some where. The type of people be brown nosed wouldn't have spit on him let alone talk to him. Do you think he turns up as a poor kid and goes "please give me a job guvna, I went to college and learned to bake a cake"? Literally doesn't make sense.

>>13868192

>literally gets hurt as a boy in trial
>fucks off and never returns
>come back decades later as the most famous chef
>Haha, don't you guys remember me???

>>13868211

He was the J.Lingz of his time, breh.

>>13867577
Literally all of Kenji's recipes suck ass and he's just asshurt over only being known to culinary hipsters. Ramsay on the other hand is a household name and actually busted ass to get where he is.

>>13867970
>How the fuck is any of that relevant? That whole tangent just screams unresolved issues to me.
People who like Ramsay are average joes.

>>13868215

Lol wtf? Read his story from any source that isn't him. Don't skip the part where he scraped loans from literally everyone. The whole father-in-law saga where he privately filmed his wife? The part where MPW literally held his hand until he could have his own place. He never made a penny from football. Trialists aren't paid.

>>13868078
>You're awfully hung up on this one "anecdote". Is there a reason?
There are way more stories than one, if you seek them out.

>>13868248
Weird, I couldn't find any.

>>13868248
From your celebrity gossip boards? No one fucking cares, Kenji. Go lube yourself up with some fish sauce and marmite and fuck off.

>>13868245

The worst part is that he just wanted to get back at Marco for making him cry.

>“It was me,” Ramsay said, years after his restaurant reservations book went missing and he blamed his one-time mentor. “I nicked it. I blamed Marco. Because I knew that would fuck him and that it would call off the dogs … It was my one stroke of genius, fucking someone over without his knowing that I was the one who done it. And the Italians cutting Marco off and wanting to get closer to me, kissing my ass.”

>>13867577
>TV
Ramsay is celebrity actor, he just does a thing on the TV. His restaurants are run by competent chefs and are much smoother. No restaurant would ever act like how they do on TV. Of course, Kenji is not a professional chef and knows nothing about the industry. Pre-sliced carpaccio is expected. Most michelin stars restaurants do stuff like that.

>>13868255
Wow calm down Gordon or I'll call Marco and make him make you cry like a bitch again

>>13868279
>Ramsay is celebrity actor, he just does a thing on the TV.
this, if he acted like this in a real work environment, he'd get stabbed in the throat by some flip pretty quickly.

>Another day
>Another thread crying over Gordon's superiority

>>13868283
At his age? Mirin.

>>13868197
>He was never signed by Rangers.
This. Oh, his lies went beyond that. He recalled teammates and boss conversations that were impossible to have happened due to them being on other teams at the time.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/4903118/Gordon-Ramsay-admits-claims-about-his-Rangers-career-may-be-inaccurate.html

A lot of people exaggerate on resumes when they are liars and have shit for backgrounds, and low self esteem. It's part of the hustle. For example, Robert Irvine didn't work for Princess Di and the White House both!
https://www.tmz.com/2008/02/29/food-network-cans-impossible-chef/

>>13868036
I agree.

>>13868283
Is that the best you got, cuck? Maybe you should go spend some time with your wife. Or is she over at Tyrone's place again?

>>13867639
>>13868017
What is with you freaks and transsexuals?
Is it a fetish thing or something?

>>13868731
I'm young rich and not married. You must be confusing your life with mine. Only reason why you're obsessed with BBC.

>>13867577
>toxic masculinity
I should've expected this

>>13868222
Yes the guy who won a James Beard award makes bad recipes.
I get that you are made that some disagrees with you politically and is a better cook than you, but get real.