/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Redpill me on British food and British women

Use beef dripping to fry it in.

Batter needs to have the consistency to drip off and form a point when you hold the fish upright.

Use riceflour batter for extra crispyness.

Go heavy on the salt and vinegar.

Make some chip shop curry sauce too

Treat yourself to a little deep fried Mars or snickers bar for after

>>13866006
Go back to /pol/ or /int/, I was asking seriously an brit anon approved way to make this recipe.

Pan, nice and hot

>>13866013
>Use beef dripping to fry it in.
I looked up what that is, and I'm sure it can't be easily found here in Italy. Is lard going to be good enough, or can I just stick to sunflower seed oil?

Also, in a pub near my home they prepare the batter with a stout beer, but I've never asked in detail how they do it, I just know they use it because it's in the menu. What do you think about it?

Also any suggestion on how to fry the chips? I've never done it before.

>>13866013
>curry sauce
That's an odd way to spell mushy peas, ya nonce.

>>13866003
Ate fish and chips by a Brit in Las Palmas once, it was so good :D we did not look much like swedes, short, 1.80m and dark hair and green eyes :D bit the fish and chips were good :D

>>13866057
You can use anything to fry it up but in my opinion beef dripping is delicious!

In my city half of the chip shops are owned by Italians!

>>13866076
>In my city half of the chip shops are owned by Italians
Yeah, frying is big in Italy, but the only family member that used to fry, my grandma, lost her memory and presence of mind due to dementia, so I can't ask her.

>>13866057
Start off with something simple anon.
Deepfry some cod fillets in a simple beer batter with cajun spice in it.
Chunky chips, twice fried
Mushy peas
Gravy, tartare sauce, curry is your choice.

Not a Brit so I can't speak for its authenticity, but the Food Busker is a bong and he did a great video on fish, chips, and mushy peas. They all turned out stellar for me.

>>13866057
Beef tallow is another word for it. basically rendered beef fat, or beef fat taken directly off the cow, people just use fancy words too feel better about themselves

>>13866057
Sunflower oil is fine.
You'll want to par boil the chips before frying them.
Some folks like to semi-cook them, freeze them, then re-fry them to crisp them off.

>>13866265
What this anon says, boil them a little bit before frying your chips. But DO NOT LET THEM GO INTO THE OIL WET you're in for a bad day and if you're in Italy emergency responders are busy.

>>13866013
Mushy peas>>>>>>>Curry sauce

Curry sauce is for pedos

>>13866061
>>13867174
Don't do this.

>>13866013

Do not use beer dripping for fish. It's fine for chips but it's gonna overpower the fish.

Don't add deep fried mars bar you fucking animal

>Beer battered cod
>Chippy chips
>Mushy peas
>Salt, pepper & vinegar
>White bread & butter
>Lemon wedge
>Tartar sauce

Sorted

>>13866275
>>13866265

It’s called triple cooking. Your average fish and chip shop doesn’t bother but if you like a crisp chip it makes all the difference. Simmer the potatoes (use Maris pipers) for 20 minutes to soften them, into the fridge/freezer to dry out in the dry air, oil at 140c to cook, take out before they change colour, fridge/freezer again, and finally crisp them up in oil at 180c for 2 minutes.

You could do the first two in advance and then just put them in hot oil for two minutes for the final step when you need them.

>>13867365

Yeah, tartar sauce is pretty essential as is good ketchup.

>>13866003
Bong here. Best fish and chips in the world comes from a shop called the Harbour Fish Bar in Amble, Notthumberland (related). About as authentic as it gets. They fry chips in sunflower oil. Frying chips in beef dripping is weird - we usually do this for roast potatoes (which it’s perfect for). Batter as the other guy said should be relatively loose - basically like pancake batter consistency. In fact, I’m pretty sure it is a pancake batter or close enough. Chips are pre cut fresh on the premises, partially boiled off, frozen and then brought out again when ready to cook. You need to do this because this is fast food and nobody wants to sit around waiting but they also want stuff fresh (which is what this place is also most famous for - they literally cook a fresh batch of chips every time along with the cod which is cooked fresh). Fish must be cod. You can use others but cod is traditional. Fish once battered is also fried in sunflower oil. Always fresh - that’s really important. Reused sunflower oil is the difference between a shit chippie and one that knows what it’s doing. Oil must be incredibly hot for both. Fish goes in and you need to let it go all golden. It cooks relatively fast so have your chips ready beforehand. Chips must NOT burn, nor must they be crisp. They should be soft and golden but able to soak up vinegar.

Forget curry sauce, tartar sauce and all that shit. Those are common accompaniments but they are always cheap and cheerful brands they usually just order in. The traditional way to eat cod and chips is with salt and vinegar and ketchup on the chips. That’s it. And you should wrap it in paper and eat it outside while looking at the seaside if you can.

>>13867377
>Your average fish and chip shop doesn’t bother
I understood that mostly all of them did so, not to make their chips any better, but purely so that they have large quantities of them on hand that onyl need 2 minutes to bring up to serving temperature?

>>13867418
>I’m pretty sure it is a pancake batter or close enough

Most places buy it in, like pic related.

>>13867418
god i wish all the chip shops weren't closed

>>13867431
Good to know actually. OP’s reminded me I’ve never actually made it at home. Cheers, I’ll look into that.

>>13867466
I live in London and I’ve actually done the five hour drive to that chippie just to get a large cod and chips. Me and the dogs have a secret beach we go eat it on. Based as fuck. MUST be visited if you’re a chippie connoisseur. Best I’ve ever had.

>>13866003
Do you bongs put the cheese on too? looks awesome that way

>>13867418
Mate that's not even the best fish and chip shop in Amble.

Authentic fish and chips? From the famous fishing and agricultural region of Northumberland? I think not.

Traditional chip shop style chips should be fried in fresh rapeseed oil, definitely not sunflower oil- which makes it even less authentic.

Batter is nothing like a pancake batter as it doesn't contain eggs and should be much looser. It should be freshly made and also ideally contain sparkling water or beer for a lighter, crispier batter.

Chips should never be boiled but should be twice fried. Once at a lower temperature of around 140 for about 6-8 minute and then again at 160/170 for 4/5 minutes until golden brown.

Fish should be fresh cod but if not available, you're better to choose fresh white fish than frozen cod.

Salt and vinegar is must all over your fish and chips. Slice of lemon squeezed over the fish will make it taste amazing. Homemade mushy peas are amazing but store/chippy bought are terrible. Tartar sauce is great. Chippy sauce is great. All of these cut through the fat and grease of the fried food. But never ever ever ever add sweet sticky ketchup like this retard is advocating. That's sacreligious, you should be shot at dawn.

Don't wrap it in paper or the steam from your food will make it all go soggy and you will have just lost the crispy glory you've worked so hard for.

Fucking English and their poorfag ways.

>>13867594
This is just all wrong. You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

>>13867594
> Northumberland
> not a famous fishing region
Get a load of this faggot.

>>13867616

Go on, what's wrong with what I've said?

>>13867594
>I’m not English but imma tell you how to do it anyway!
Discarded.

>>13867621
Everything. You’re obviously not English.

>>13867620
Northumberland is famous for industry, unemployment and low literacy. Definitely not for its saltwater fishing.

>>13867632
I'm British but I'm not some poorfag that thinks that the peasant preparation of a dish is peak

>>13867594
Everything he said is correct. Except go for haddock instead of cod and try breadcrumbs for a "special" as we call it. Also, in Scotland many places fry the chips in lard. Drown it in salt and vinegar. It doesn't need anything else except maybe lemon.

t. Scotland

>>13867659
Nah, you aren’t. You’re the same Scot or something that shits up all the English food threads. You’re easily identifiable now. Same posting style, same way of ‘arguing’.

>>13867673
I meant to say haddock but I didn’t want to confuse OP. I thought if he wanted to try it for the first time, it should be as close to a chippie as possible.

>>13867688
NORFUMBERLUND M8
INGERLAND

>>13867673
Scottish and I've never heard of anyone frying chips in lard, that sounds rank. It's all 100% rapeseed oil up here because that's what we farm locally

>>13867688
Literally never posted in an English food thread before and this is a British food thread, not surprising you English show up and try to call it all yours though.

>>13867706
All I’m saying mate is you’re easily identifiable. Fish and chips is an English food too. May get it elsewhere in the U.K. but it’s still traditionally English. Not interested in arguing further. You’re trolling and that’s all there is to it.

>>13867691
They have haddock actually, it's super common there. They call it asinello, so OP go for that or "merluzzo". They're your best bets.

Also important....noone in Europe except the Low Countries cuts their chips like us. So make sure you cut them THIC like the size of your thumb. Not like they do in France or Spain how you do "patatine". That's why people are talking about double-frying and par-boiling, because those fuckers will be raw in the middle if you don't do either of those.

>>13867697
I didn't say its traditional but it could well be, pig fat was the standard fat to cook with outside of rapeseed oil and tallow. In Edinburgh there's like 3-4 places that do it. It's not rank at all, lard chips taste amazing, if you haven't tried them don't talk shit. But yes, rapeseed oil is the most common. There's a shop in Glasgow High St. which is famous and they're super proud about using canola oil but that sounds gay to me.

>>13867715
All I'm saying mate is you're obviously easily confused. It's a British dish, eaten all over Britain not mainly/exclusively English. Besides isn't curry England's national food now? .

You're poor and you don't know how to cook so you think that the slop you're used to eating is pinnacle because you don't know any better which is why you can't counter beyond "that's not what I'm used to so it can't be right"

>>13867740
Nobody cares, bitter Scot. Enjoy our full English Brexit.

>>13867716
Not that guy but stop fucking up the thread with all your trolling misinformation. Cod is traditional for this dish.

>best fish and chips in the UK is some shithole on a corner in 'Ambul not glorious Oban

>>13867734

Is it Merchant Chippie youre talking about on the High Street? Their chips are decent but their seafood is amazing cause they get it fresh everyday even though they're city centre. Had some Calamari and fritter rolls there after hitting up Drygate Taproom a wee while ago and it was possibly some of the best calamari I've ever had but that may be slightly beer-influenced

>>13867758
England uses cod, Scotland uses haddock and cod but mostly haddock and it is better. Suck a dick.

>>13867759
Man, the seething from this Scotfag. What’s up buddy? Where did the bad England touch you?

>>13867749

Moving the conversation from food to politics because you don't have enough education to back your reactionary opinions?

As a non-SNP, Leave voter though you're using the wrong bait buddy.

>>13867769
Scotland is not england. Haddock is always available in fish and chip shops but cod is universally considered the traditional fish for this dish. Suck my giant English cock.

>>13867769

In Scotland they usually charge more for cod because it's better

>>13867779
You’re the one who derailed the thread, man. Not him btw.

>>13867763
That's the one. But for me there is only one contender in Glasgow - Philadelphia on Great Western. They get their fish from the best fishmonger in the whole city (he supplies all the top restaurants in the West End including La Parmiginia which used to be next door). They don't do calamari and stuff but in terms of fish freshness and quality they're the only one I've tried who can rival Merchant.

Also if you're adventurous, they do a trout in breadcrumbs (special). It's wild.

>>13867776
You're getting confused and think that 2/3 anons are the same person

>>13867779
Wow, you really don’t like the English huh? Every time someone posts an English food thread you’re straight in it to insult them. Kinda interesting.

>>13867792
Go start another thread on Scottish food and stop fucking up OP’s thread.

>>13867792
Never tried Philadelphia but if I find myself that way I will give the trout/breadcrumbs a go, sounds just enough of a side step to be a solid shout

>>13867784
England's food culture is so pathetically land-lubberish that it competes with the fried mushy arseholes that the Netherlands and Belgium call their national cuisine for being a coastal country and failing at food.

It's common knowledge that out of the whole UK only Scotland and maybe Cornwall know what their doing when it comes to fish and seafood. You're good at pig, stick to that and stfu.

>>13867797
And the really amusing thing is if you saw him IRL he’d be that cunt with a blue face, waving a saltire and whining about “muh independence!”

Pure scum.

NGL, I'm a non brit euro but I really like White Bait, Bangersn n Mash, the many pies and I even like mushy peas even though my Scottish mate hates them. The UK has alright food, it'll keep you going. Apparently they have good sweets and shit but I don't really fuck with that as I have a salt addiction.

>>13867806
>'Ambul moit
>Best in the wuhl' moit

>>13867806
You saw Non-SNP right? That means anti-independence.

>>13867805
>seething
This is hilarious. You sound like such a giant fag. You talk like one too. Some Scottish queer that hates the English. Funny.

>>13867821
Look, I should cut you some slack. From what we know about you, it's a miracle you can read and write. Cod chips and keeeetchap for the lad? Will that make you happy wee guy?

>>13867839

Re-opening the mines so his dad stops hitting him in-between pints and asking why his mum left

>>13867815
I’m not who you think you’re talking to nor am I from the north east. I do think however that you are a troll and I remember this same anti English invective from the last English food thread you fucked up.

>>13867839
>>13867847
>this samefagging

>>13867851

Do you still sound out the words to figure out what they are?

>>13867860
>>13867851
There's two different Scots ITT, I'm one of them. I posted about Glasgow and Oban. I know, it's hard to grasp complex concepts, like the number two, if you suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome. I told you, we should cut you some slack.

>>13866265
>>13866275
>>13867377
Gotcha.
>>13867418
Amazing, thanks.
>>13867673
>try breadcrumbs
First time I tried fish and chips I used the same procedure I use for cotoletta (flour>egg>breadcrumbs two times) and it was good, but not what I wanted. I'll stick to the original recipe.
>>13867716
I have a box of frozen cod fillet, I'll use that. Thanks for the tip on the chips.

Oh OP! Important! Don't use the normal vinegar you get in Italy, it's probably wine vinegar.

You need this stuff (it's malt vinegar)

https://www.google.com/search?q=Aceto+di+malto&client=firefox-b-d&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiwj5yPhcvoAhWPDewKHZKUA3QQ_AUIZSgB&biw=1408&bih=688

>>13866003
You need this stuff and its not right unless it sais gourmet on the label.

>>13867905
Fish batter shouldn't use egg

>>13867914
Don't be a dick

Distilled vinegar is also fine

>>13867905
I don't think they use egg for "specials" but in any case the crumb is supposed to be much thicker, crunchier and less greasy than that of a cotoletta. It's down to the breadcrumbs actually, it's always this brand.

>>13867909
Oh, right, at that pub I talked about I remember they gave me that, good call.

>>13867921
Yeah, now I know. I was just saying how I naively did it the first time. It's just flour (rice flour if I find it), and beer or water, right?

>>13867957

Yeah that's all you neee

>>13866003
Wow those fries really do look awful

>>13867957
Enjoy, this will be useful to you and is a bit of a laugh. They don't divulge their batter recipes though.

https://youtu.be/3CJQph5gLeE?t=833

>>13867980
First picture that duckduckgo provided me. Comes from wikipedia IIRC.

I miss Scotland ;____;

>>13868000

Pizza Crunch is amazing once it's been drowned in chippy sauce

>>13868027
I've only had it drunk and I loved it. Also haggis supper and black pudding supper were fucking nuts too.

By the way OP, both chip shops in Oban are Italians (and so is that Philadelphia one in Glasgow).

>>13868040

I hate to be a cliche but haggis is always an excellent shout. If you ever have leftover haggis it's great with mushrooms on pizza. Sounds weird but trust me.

I'm not even surprised by this, pretty sure every great chippy in Scotland is Italian, why are they so good at frying food?? And they always have the best Ice cream if you're looking

>>13868048
Haggis is amazing, always. It would also be amazing on polenta (the way they make it in north Italy).

I don't think it's just being good at frying, they've always been good at all types of food but I guess when they arrived here the only ingredients and eating culture we had in common were fish and chips (they do it too with salted cod) and ice cream. Early 20th century Scotland must have been impossible for those poor fellas when they came over...imagine what little selection of ingredients they would have had.

P.S. Try and get this if you can find it..it's made in Milngavie but it's sold all over Glasgow...I don't know how they can make fucking vanilla taste so incredible.

>>13868048
>why are they so good at frying food?
Tradition, I guess. There's basically no place in Italy where they don't have a typical fried dish. For instance from where I'm from we eat (if you're in the right period of the year and can find the restaurant that has them) fried small crabs fished when they're mutating and they're without their outer shell, they're fucking delicious, and incredibly expensive. The souther you go, the more frying is widespread.
>>13868048
>they always have the best Ice cream
No shit, italians invented the damn thing.

>>13868081
Veneto?

>>13868040
>Italians making English food
No wonder you scots can’t even get independence.

>>13868085
Don't be offensive, anon. Venezia.

>>13868086
In your England it was Cypriots, you cuck

>>13868020
Going there for the whole summer once lockdowns up. Shithole but nice beaches up the north east side.

>>13868089
Ostregheta!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr3Rrzrv8vU
here

>>13868095
West coast is good too, some fucking tropical looking beaches. East is better for surfing though.

>>13866003

>>13868102
>turbot
>close tab

That's a waste of turbot..there's a reason people fry cod and haddock the world over.

>>13868081
>>they always have the best Ice cream
>No shit, italians invented the damn thing.

That is true but I think it's the flavours, all the hazelnuts, pistachios, darker chocolate that make it stand out rather than plain old vanilla or mint choc chip

>>13867740
Fish and chips is English. Actually an originally London dish. Also, I’ve never come across good fish and chips in Scotland. Maybe you have one or two good ones in the cities but outside it’s as dire as all your other food.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_and_chips

>>13868000
based scottish series. watched those three times.

>>13868102
The fucking smug baldie, he just couldn't help himself....He could have just gone all aspie on the chips but had to fuck with the fish too

>>13868114
>The tradition in the UK of fish battered and fried in oil may have come from Western Sephardic Jewish immigrants from Holland.[3][2][4][5] Originating in Spain and Portugal and settling in England as early as the 16th century, they would have prepared fried fish in a manner similar to pescado frito, which is coated in flour then fried in oil.[5] Fish fried for Shabbat for dinner on Friday evenings could be eaten cold the following afternoon for shalosh seudot, palatable this way as liquid vegetable oil was used rather than a hard fat, such as butter.[5][6] Charles Dickens mentions "fried fish warehouses" in Oliver Twist (1838),[2] and in 1845 Alexis Soyer in his first edition of A Shilling Cookery for the People, gives a recipe for "Fried fish, Jewish fashion", which is dipped in a batter of flour and water.[7]

Literally the first paragraph

>>13866003
I've always (in the part of my adult life where I make my own bread) used breadcrumbs in the batter. The beer should be something you're drinking, if you drink beer. Don't buy something just for this - a little baking soda, soda water, or bloomed yeast will do the trick. Season your batter.

Your chips should be reasonably thick - fry halfway, let sit for 5 mins or so, then fry again. Do it a third time if you feel it necessary. You want some crunch on those chips.

Fry it in something neutral with a reasonably high smoke point, make sure you've got some vinegar or citrus, and get some mushy peas, gravy, curry... something wet, soft and flavourful to play with the chips.

>>13868086

Independence would be gash for Scotland in the current economic climate which is why we voted against it. I'd rather live in Scotland with Italians making British food than live in New Baghdad having my neighbours trying to impose Sharia Law

>>13868114

Fish and chips in the cities is the worst fish and chips, the best ones are found on the coastal villages where you get fresh fish and chips. Just because some English guy claimed to invent fish and chips doesn't cement it in fact and irrespective of its origins, it's a British dish is eaten across Britain not just in England.

>>13868104
Hah. I know. Can’t remember the name of it now (Ach.. something) but that staggered me. Literal turquoise water like the Caribbean or something. Going to do the walk to Sandwood Bay this year. Looking forward to it.

Related - beach at Dornoch. My most favourite in the country. Excellent hike over to Embo.

>>13868123
“May have come from”. And I didn’t say immigrants didn’t bring over what would have been the precursor but it is an undoubted fact that fish and chips as is is an English dish. Not quite sure what your issue here is. You don’t like the English that’s fine, but going on it’s not an English dish is patently wrong.

>>13868104

Some, not all, councils get sand literally shipped over from countries like Turkey/Egypt each year to keep the beaches pretty because the local economy is so dependant on tourism in the summer months that's why they look nae bad

>>13866013
Drippings is essentially proto gravy isnt it?

>>13868102
>rinse
>boil
>refrigerate
>fry
>refrigerate
>fry again
>can manage, but I'll probably skip the last fry
>honey in the batter
>200ml of vodka
>refrigerated vessel with pressurized carbon dioxide
What the actual fuck? I want to cook some comfort food, not to get a degree in rocket science!

>>13868151
english lies


(fuck the world if that's true)

>>13868131
Nah. Never, ever had good Scottish food outside the cities; not even supposed ‘gastropubs’ or whatever. Scotland in my view is massively behind the rest of the country when it comes to things like this. You literally have one motorway service station of any worth (and it’s still shit) in the whole place lol. Food though is gash as fuck. Fresh produce is nice. Good beef.

>>13868163
fucking heston i swear

>>13868164
I'm Scottish and it's true, they ship in tonnes of it every year because it gets washed away pretty fast

>>13868151
>councils get sand literally shipped over from countries like Turkey/Egypt each year to keep the beaches pretty
Future geologists will go insane trying to figure this shit out lol

>>13868149
No dumbo, jesus christ did you even read what you posted? It was clearly brought over by immigrants and then spread through country as Britain industrialised.

From your own fucking link:

>A Jewish immigrant, Joseph Malin, opened the first recorded combined fish-and-chip shop in London in 1860; a Mr Lees pioneered the concept in the North of England, in Mossley, in 1863.[28] Dundee City Council claims that chips were first sold by a Belgian immigrant, Edward De Gernier, in the city's Greenmarket in the 1870s|

So within a decade it was all over the country, you cannot call that "English" you dumbfuck.

>>13868168
Mate it's not our fault you go to shit places, just pipe down.

>>13868168

Gastropubs? Do they even exist anymore? Wasnt that a noughties trend that quickly died out?

Motorway service stations? Where you buy petrol? Is that where English people eat? Cause if that's your metric for food quality, I think we've found out issue. I couldn't even name any motorway service stations because they are of no significance to, well, anything?

Our food produce is amazing and there's plenty of fantastic places to eat, your lack of awareness does not negate that fact.

>>13868158
Yeah, if you roast, it’s whats left in the pan, but we use it also to mean rendered beef fat. In that instance, it’s specifically ‘beef dripping’. Good spot actually. Worth explaining.

>>13868181
They do that in Mykonos too I heard, but I wasn't surprised by that one because the beaches there have private concession holders who make megabucks

>>13867338
>hating on mushy peas
>actually enjoying chippy curry sauce
I can smell your shit taste from here.

>>13868190
So you’re saying the Jewish immigrant was never English? That’s interesting. Aren’t you scots supposed to be massive fans of integration?

Still an English dish, and actually a London dish too.

>>13868198
You’re getting all het up again. I’m half Scottish and you know very well that Scotland is hugely behind England when it comes to pretty much anything. You can get all jumped up about that fact but it’s still a fact. Your ‘restaurants’ outside (maybe) Glasgow and Edinburgh are absolutely subpar. Same goes for your takeout food. You’re a poor, low population country. Stop acting like that also isn’t true. Of course you’re behind England but that’s nothing to feel embarrassed about. Scots are based. Great place to visit.

>>13868198
>>13868168

I only know one of any note, I stopped for a piss there and the rolls were fucking great

http://www.cairnlodgeservices.com/

>>13868209

Different anon but hahahahaha fuck no to integration. It's a famously racist country?!

Also even within England there's a fight between North/South over who supposedly invented it so you really are just spouting pish pal

>>13868229
Just because your family is from Wishaw or Airdrie or some shit and moving down south was the best thing that ever happened to them, doesn't mean this is the case for everyone else.

There's fucking incredible food in the Scottish countryside if you don't eat at fucking service stations.

>>13868229
Yeah one side of my family is from England but they all live here now because of the superior healthcare, education and more money per head at a local level so other than higher rates of crime, adult illiteracy and white-minority cities what exactly do you guys have?

The worst food in Scotland is found in Glasgow because it's majority chain restaurants but Edinburgh has an epic food scene. Outside those cities, you're almost always in agricultural regions so any restaurant using locally-sourced produce will be great. I'd be surprised if you had throroughly explored the crevices of the Scottish food scene

There's definitely a low population in Scotland and there's a lot of poor people too but if you have money, it's a belter.

>>13868265
Even Glasgow isn't bad anymore, there's super cheap super authentic ethnic food from every single country you can think of and hipster artisan shops for literally anything and middle-class restaurants that are actually really fucking good because there's a huge supply of fresh catering college grads because the colleges are big business in the city.

And even in the countryside you don't have to go somewhere pricey like Inver, I've eaten at small farm shops in Kinross and fucking Dumfries that were amazing. In Oban you can get fucking live fresh-caught lobsters cooked on the spot for 15 quid per lobster and oysters for like 90p each. Fucks sake

>>13868233
That’s not true. I’ve spent a lot of time in Scotland and they’re very welcoming to foreigners. Never heard about ‘arguments’ between north and south on fish and chips, either. Who does them better, sure, but it would still be an English argument and it’s considered an English dish anyway. Just suck it up and get over it.

>>13868309

Glasgow is better than it used to be but I find it harder to find the needles in amongst the chain-beer-and-burger haystack


Fucking fresh caught oysters thoufh for less than £1 each might be one of the most satisfying food purchases ever they're actual belters. You have now triggered my first lockdown craving

>>13867776
Fish and Chips in Oban is unironically god-tier though.

>>13868327

To the tourists you mean. We rely on tourism do we will entertain them for a week but as soon as they move in to the street, it's immediate took our jobs/living off the state get out my country chat.

Look it up, there's a fight between Lancashire and London over who made it first. My point is the origin isn't concrete so you can't claim it's from London, England the way you're trying to. It's considered British and it was brought over by immigrants so it's not an English creation either way m8

>>13868265
Lot of lying here. Are you paid by the SNP or something? You know very well Scottish education is in the shitter. You have very bad infrastructure in the highlands for one - bar none the worst roads in the country. Healthcare is in the shitter. I have a house in Alness and i can assure you as a fact that waiting times for the local GP run well over two weeks. That’s London-levels of inefficiency. I don’t go into the cities because they’re just London-wannabes but I’ll give the benefit of the doubt - post me up a link proving your claim that “restaurants in agricultural regions” are so great. I’ve travelled the length and breadth of the place, east and west and never come across even hotels worth eating in. I can find these in shitholes like Yorkshire easily because, again, there’s a population to support shit like this. I like Scotland a lot, got a lot of time for Scots but you’ve got to be trolling if you want to claim it’s somehow on a par with England in terms of food, services, etc.

>>13868365
It’s not considered British. You seem really enraged by people pointing this out? Are you SNP? Don’t bother answering by the way - I know the answer.

>>13868365
Oh, and no, I don’t mean ‘tourists’. I come across Poles, etc. daily when up there and all report feeling very happy and welcomed. Met a woman from Zimbabwe in one of the fields I take my dogs one day and she said the same. Kid spoke English with a Scottish accent and all. Pretty based.

>>13868348
You need to go to the west end and south side, the city centre is a fucking chain hell-hole. There was only one good burger shop in Glasgow and it was the first "gourmet" one to open, before the chains arrived. The guys who started it both used to work at a Michelin star kitchen and were great lads. The competition killed, it's so sad.

Check out this video...the butcher shown here (where they used to source their meat from) was the best in the whole West of Scotland, all the good restaurants used him. He's closed now because his son decided to be a fucking fireman instead of take over his father's goldmine.............That man had game from all over Scotland, rare breeds of cattle, handmade haggis, you name it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vUBR4LCU_U

>>13868378
I get appointment at my local GP in the west end of Glasgow on the morning that I call....I literally just call and two hours later I'm there. I've heard worse for the south side but never more than a week.

>>13868426
Lucky for you then. Advantages of having a low population amirite.

>>13868378
>>13868378

No lying. And as I've repeated many times, I'm anti-SNP. Scottish education is better than English education mainly because there's more money per head and usually fewer pupils per teacher on average. When English kids move up here they're usually held back at least one year because they're thick as shit, there are exceptions but as a general rule, they're usually dense.

The road infrastructure in the Highlands? You mean the region with the lowest budget relative to land mass which receives the lowest level of investment and possible the most costly terrain to make improvements on? Yeah I'd imagine it is poorer than the rest of the country but no one is moving to the Highlands for the roads.

Waiting time for a GP appointment vary from health board to health board but that's because they keep appointments free for same-day Triage appointments so you would be seen the same day if necessary. Having lived in London and Cambridge, I can assure you that Southern health care services have significantly longer wait times at GP level, god help you if you need a referral, A&E's have longer wait times and worse overcrowding and how are those prescription fees?

Why are you eating in hotels and service stations? Go and eat fish in seaside towns, go and eat in a steakhouse in Angus or Ayrshire and there's your proof. If you're looking for a link to a Michelin starred hut next to a petrol station you won't find it, but if you find a local restaurant preparing locally produced food then you're gonna have a better meal than you're gonna find in a mining town. I've lived in Scotland more than 20 years and I've yet to travel the length and breadth of the country, exaggerating is not helping your argument.

>>13868348
Try these next time:

Ox & Finch, Alchemilla, Ubiquitous Chip, Stravaigin, Ka Pao, MacTassos, KAF, Syrian Pie, Sikorski Club, MEAT bar, The Gannet, Eusebi's, Baffo, Bar Vini, Kebabish, Akbar's, Banana Leaf (Malaysian Chinese not the South Indian), Dakhin, Non Viet, Hanoi Bike Shop, Mark's Deli, Two Fat Ladies, Rogano, Cottonrake Bakery, Singl-end, Artisan Roast, Kember & Jones (for bread).

They're all completely different but all worth are worth visiting.

>>13868430
I don't know if I should thank Nicola the Sturgeon or the low population, but it's fucking great. My GP once confessed to a pal of mine that he's "right-wing" and doesn't believe in time off for workplace stress hahaha.

>>13868445
>The road infrastructure in the Highlands? You mean the region with the lowest budget relative to land mass which receives the lowest level of investment and possible the most costly terrain to make improvements on? Yeah I'd imagine it is poorer than the rest of the country but no one is moving to the Highlands for the roads.

I really *don't* want the roads in the Highlands to improve. It would detract from the scenery and the experience. I want it just the way it is, I don't fucking fat English cunts who don't know the road zooming around a million miles an hour on the F-Pace they bought on credit, because Jeremy Clarkson told them to go drive up north where there's no speed cams.

>>13868393

Poles are a pretty insular community who are fucking despised within the Hospitality/retail sector because that's the only places they work and tolerated outwith because they're Caucasian and have a large Catholic population so we'd rather have them than the brown ones. Scotland does not like immigrants especially when they're from an Islamic country. Grew up in the Scottish West Coast and to this day I could count on one hand the number of black people I've seen living in the villages and small towns. It would be much harder to try and keep count of the number of times I've heard Paki being shouted in the street or witnessed white vs ethnic fights on a night out.

>>13868447
Screenshotted.

I do travel for Artisan Roast in the West End a lot, one of a handful of places where you can get really really good coffee.

I've heard really good things about Two Fat Ladies? It's one of those names that seems to come up over and over

>>13868469
Look to be completely honest...on a mainstream, every day level, the urban centers of Scotland are very much not racist at all. Unis, workplaces, tv/internet culture...However, there is definitely a strong undercurrent of racism that just appears amongst friends, in private, etc. In rural Scotland and in working-class neighbourhoods that's probably much closer to the surface though.

>>13868445
So you’re not providing anything to back up your claims. As expected.

I didn’t say I eat in motorway stations but, again, you know that the ONLY ONE in ALL of Scotland is at Kinross. THAT is how low population you are. They can’t even be bothered building fucking motorway stations.

As for all the rest, pure assertion and sourceless claims. You act like people can just drive round the Scottish countryside and come across elite tier restaurants lol. It’s objectively hilarious. You don’t have the population for things like this - simple as that. Even fucking Dornoch with its golf course the yanks all flood to doesn’t have a restaurant other than some shitty ‘canteen’ in the old castle renovation. Shit, the local pub is a fucking disgrace and I’ve had to eat there loads just to get something for me and the dogs. You really are talking utter shit. And I do very much suspect you’re a cybernat, yeah. Nobody who isn’t gets in such a seethe about people just acknowledging something that’s a simple fact. And sure - you’re a very low population country; of course you can get doctors appointments so easily. If you weren’t bludgeoning off the rest of us to pay for them, anyway.

Here are links about your ‘education’, by the way:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/06/scottish-exam-rates-fall-for-fourth-year-in-a-row

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/education/2019/11/snp-s-blinkered-approach-scotland-s-education-crisis-unsustainable

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/1082576/scottish-government-forced-to-admit-key-weaknesses-in-countrys-education-structure/amp/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/msps-force-inquiry-into-decline-of-education-bvftjqkpc

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/03/scottish-education-stagnating-mediocrity-record-low-maths-science/amp/

Hundreds more. Feel free to ask.

>>13868458
Yeah those scary winding roads are part of the fun of the journey, driving through regions like Speyside and the Cairngorms are worth the trip on their own

>>13868451
Of course. Having a low population that means you can’t get good restaurants, services, roads, investment, or jobs - but a doctors appointment when you need it is probably always something to be pleased about.

>>13868469
Let 'em be insular and pallid. They turn into Mexican primadonnas on their god damned quinceanera when you let them integrate and tan. You'll never get any work out of them then.

>>13868490
Yeah. They’re great. Especially the potholes and the relic from the 70s intermittent single carriageway system. Really good.

>>13868469
All academic anyway. You’re going to have to start accepting immigrants from elsewhere once we’re out the EU, so, just like us, you’re going to have to suck it up while you still pretend you’re “welcoming!” of anyone except the English.

>>13868479
Artisan Roast is top notch. I rate them above all the other Glasgow roasters (Dear Green Roasters, Thomson etc.). Laboratorio Espresso is good too if you're in the city centre and in a rush. (They make their affogato with Colpi ice cream and get sandwiches from Eusebi, they're fucking smart they've collaborated with the best).

Two Fat Ladies is consistently excellent. They do excellent fish but even their desserts are great. I've been to both but prefer the tiny one on Dumbarton Road, you are basically sitting a few meters away from the chefs.

The three best places for fish and seafood in Glasgow are: Fish People Cafe (also a fishmonger's shop) and Two Fat Ladies are the most creative and fun. Rogano's, which is an institution, is super old school and perfect. (I think it is Glasgow's oldest surviving restaurant and still has the original Art Deco decoration from 1935.

P.S. If you like coffee, these guys are super good, from Perth https://www.thebeanshop.co.uk/

>>13868512
>>13868483
>has the nerve to call others seething

Calm down you brain dead bongs. It's just fried fish.

>>13868554
bet you eat catfish

>>13868483
>>13868483
>So you’re not providing anything to back up your claims. As expected

You haven't attempted to back any of your claims until this post but a dozen posts deep is an interesting point to start adding footnotes.

There's more than one motorway station in Scotland which a quick Google will show you. The company that runs the Kinross one has more than one in Scotland. Also why would we actively seek to build motorway service stations instead of getting drivers to veer a few feet off the motorway and support the local economy?

All the places you are naming seem to be in the Highlands with expectionally low populations which would explain why you have a warped perception of Scotland. Spend a little time living in Edinburgh where there's more restaurants, bars etc per square km than anywhere else in the UK then come back to me.

I'm not SNP, I'm not sure why you're so obsessed with them.

You brought up doctor waiting times to try and prove a point which was disproven so you're subsequent arguement is really just factors you should have considered before your ham-fisted attempt at making a point.

Oh btw all your articles are based around statistics comparing each countries performance against their own historical performance but I'm sure you thought clickbait headlines might look good.

>>13868512
Hardly academic, we already accept immigrants from elsewhere but they're usually bullied out of the community very quickly which is why they all flood to England

>>13868522
>Dear Green Roasters
I heard a rumour/probable myth that this roastery was just one wee granny who roasts in her living room because she was like fuck it I can do this and still watch telly all day without having to live off state pension so I might as well.

I can't do laboratorio, sorry, I heard good things but I don't like their coffee or their milks or their cakes or their venue.

Also why is Affogato such a 'thing' in Glasgow? I see it everywhere but if you're in Edinburgh you only really see it in restaurants, hardly ever in a coffee shop.

>>13868590
I have no idea but that is a good story and I'm going to repeat it.

I don't take my coffee with milk so I don't know and notice how I didn't mention the cakes! Cottonrake is incomparable for cakes, it's on another league to anywhere else in town. It's down the road from Artisan Roast so definitely don't miss it.

Affogato is a thing in Glasgow, because Glasgow is a "thing" kind of city. I think there's a good few pioneers who bring things first and then there's a lot of people with cash who are not at all the passionate kind of restauranteurs and just see it as an investment, who open copy-cat versions of what seems cool because they know that the people who read glasgowlive will be there forming a queue next week until people get bored and move on to the next thing.

>>13868590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRsK2r09s0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aReRn7BRyv8

Have you seen this? Do you rate these places?

>>13868565
Scotland IS low population is the only claim I’ve made which is all I need to support anything else I’ve said. You want a link for that or are you going to lie about that, too?

Good job on pretending those articles aren’t all by reputable publications, by the way. I especially like how you ‘attempted’ to ‘argue’ that fucking MSPs calling for an enquiry is somehow a ‘statistic’. Good job. I can tell you don’t do anything for a living that requires formulating cogent arguments.

And I didn’t mean some poxy, badly shingled shed at the side of some road (you barely have these anyway) when I said ‘motorway service station’. Kinross is about the only one that qualifies for the term and even that’s absolutely shit compared to the standard in England.

As for doctors appointments - all you’ve disproven is your own nonsense that somehow being such a low population country is so great that we can all not only get doctors appointments the same day, but can also drive around the countryside and find epic restaurants that exist on the ‘profits’ from a handful of local farmers, and the odd tourist bus packed with Chinese.

It’s noted that you’ve attempted to skirt not only providing a backup for your claim that “restaurants” in “agricultural regions” are abundant and amazing, but tried to get away from it altogether, by the way. Like I say: it’s pretty obvious arguing from logic is not something you do well.

As I said, I’m not interested in your ‘cities’ but I do have fond memories of fucking some girl in Glasgow once. Quite the goer. And yeah, you’re obviously a cybernat. Plain as day.

>>13868627
>notice how I didn't mention the cakes!
The most diplomacy I've ever witnessed a Scottish person conduct themselves with.

I am all here for these recommendations though, I will be abusing them as soon as BJ lets us out again.

Glasgow is a "thing" kind of city. That is a very fair statement. I try not to get sucked into 'things' but then I see stuff like Scoop&Loop and I'm like aw no, I think I might have to

>>13868576
Well, that’s not my experience up there. Highlanders seem pretty welcoming to everyone from what I can make out. Shit, I spent a day fishing at Conin Bridge with some local SNP nut and we were like two of the oldest friends. Based people. Beautiful part of the country, too.

>>13868637
Face it. He blew you the fuck out.

>>13868637
>>13868637
Scotland is also the country which historically benefitted from an advantageously disproportionate ratio in the Barnett formula so until about 4 years ago it was getting better infrastructural investment than the rest of the UK.

The articles aren't from dailies but the stats they ar discussing are comparing performance against their historical performance, mostly based on PISA study which calculates UK performance as a whole not it's separate nations.

I couldn't possibly speculate how you earn a living but if your default retort is to call everyone a liar, I'd imagine it probably involves lots of shouting at inanimate objects.

The company that runs the Kinross motorway service station YOU highlighted runs another one in Scotland so you're insistence that there's only one in Scotland is disproved by your own provision of examples you fucking nonce.

I didn't say restaurants exist on the profits of farmers so perhaps re-familiarise yourself with the function of a quotation mark. that extends to your reference to an abundance of the venue's with which you are tragically ignorant to. And I'm not entirely sure why you're referring to buses of Asians but I'm sure theres a long-lost thread of logic somewhere in that slurried mess you call a mind.

"Fond memories... Quite the goer" did you exchange kerchiefs and bonnets afterwards to remember eachother by or is it only your colloquialisms that are antiquated?

>>13868657

That's nice, try living somewhere with high levels of immigration and then elaborate on your experience because I've witnessed enough immigrants having their heads kicked in because some NED has exceeded his usual daily dose of Bucky and decided that the first person wearing any format of religious iconography deserves to lose a kidney that day to not give a fuck about your fishing trips with a villager

>>13868637
Such obsession with motorway service stations can only be an autistic trait....Like that kid on the news who was obsessed with road lights

>>13868652
>Scoop&Loop
See, I live next to that place and I refuse to go in there just because of the queues. I am *not* a thing kind of guy, but I like interesting food. What I hate is when social media manipulation makes people go wild for perfectly normal food. A sad example is Paesano. They started out with great ingredients, true Neapolitan pizzaiolos, letting their dough rise for the proper 2-3 days that all Italians will tell you is what you should do. Enter social media madness, queues round the block etc. and they dropped that to two hours and lowered the standard of their toppings. Of course, they're still raking it in.

Meanwhile some of their original team opened Baffo ;)

>>13868733
>I refuse to go in there just because of the queues
Totally fair, its not worth going somewhere when it's rammed and the staff are stretched and the atmosphere is just... Nah. Better to wait till it dies down and quality goes back up.

Tbf I'll eat anywhere around Kelvin grove just cause it's pretty af

>>13868698
You are a liar, however. You’ve lied about the statistics mentioned in some of those articles whilst conveniently ignoring others that don’t deal with statistics at all. It is, of course, a well accepted fact that Scotland’s educational system is in crisis. Like I said, I can provide hundreds of similar links.

As for motorway service stations, I’ll accept your concede that there are NONE in Scotland that come even close to what the term means in England. As I say: you’re so low population that nobody even cares to so much as consider investing in a fucking eight pump forecourt on the side of one of your many potholed ‘motorways’.

And I’ll accept your concede on your, now obviously bullshit, claim that “agricultural regions” are just teeming with high quality “restaurants”, too. Quite obviously, their profits will have to come from somewhere - which means local farmers, tourists, oh and, I forgot, some poxy German driving a camper van on his way to some youth hostel built smack bang on one of your supposedly ‘pristine’ western beaches (that’s if he’ll survive the dirt tracks calling themselves ‘roads’ that is). Where else will the profits for these many high quality ‘restaurants’ you claimed are all over the Scottish countryside come from, idiot?

Interesting attempt at insulting basic English use, by the way. Your scrabbling around in desperation is noted and is adorable.

>>13868710
Such seething jealousy about ‘tourists’ now, I see. Yeah, I can afford a pretty big house in some highland town and spend a summer in it, too, larking about fishing your (massively dwindling, by the way) salmon stocks. London money, son. You should get some.

>>13868630
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRsK2r09s0s

edinburgh larder- good, definitely a foodie kind of place but id ignore the host and skip the standard edinburgh homemade breakfast and go for their specials because they tend lean on local sourcing and foraging to support their seasonal offerings.

panda&sons- so ive actually worked with these guys and while the drinks menu is usually oretty tight, their hygiene standards are... non-existant. if youre gonna drink there you might as well lick the bartenders arsehole and get it fresh from the source.

gardeners cottage- another site that leans on local sourcing, food is great as is the atmosphere, feels a bit more intimate.

tapa- holy shit this is my favourite tapas venue ever! its kind of hidden away, a bit of a spot for the locals and they do a lunch special which lets you try everything for stupidly low price and its unreal.
bonus round: if you love spanish food check out the black hoof in the dalry area of Edinburgh for the most amazing acorn fed iberico selection.

l'escargot blanc- ive visited their sister site in stockbridge, it is not my first choice for french food in Edinburgh.

damm 27- have not visited.

civerinos slice- its opposite the uni, the food is average but extremely overpriced and youll have trouble getting a table, skip.

quay commons- great baked goods, terrible coffee. really good during the off-season but the atmosphere can become uncomfortably chaotic during peak season.

fortitude- absolute fuck yes. possibly one of the tiniest coffee houses in edinburgh and my personal absolute favourite. their coffee is oustanding and the staff knowledge is unmatched. the sandwiches are sourced from Manna House- a bakery just down the road which is worth a visit on its own. if they ever have walnut brownies on buy two before they disappear. really cant rate this place highly enough.

tasty buns- can fuck off, its only still going because its one of very cafes in student area.

>>13868721
You’re right. We should be more obsessed with your supposed ‘natural resources’. These are just a couple of rigs all over Cromarty Firth being sold off at knock-down prices because there’s fuck all use for them now. So much for that ‘oil boom!’. The main ‘trade’ at this town, by the way, now comes almost exclusively from tourist cruise ships that pull in about once a week, maybe twice in the summer. Low population, low resources, low investment, shit education, mass unemployment, one of the worst inner city drug problems in the world, rampant obesity and domestic violence, and everything roughly 25 years behind England in development and investment. But at least you have some coffee shops in Glasgow lol. Definitely something special.

>>13868845
You're a legend m8, thank you! Especially since I would never have enough time to try them all on visits!

That Spanish place looked unreal, its probably the only place I remembered after watching the video the first time!

The fuck were panda & sons doing?

>>13868834

>>13868834
>>13868834
>>13868834
Sorry what lies have I told about the statistics? And they all deal with statistics so what are you actually talking about? "Crisis" is a massive overexaggeration. Stagnating? Absolutely. Suffering from underinvestment? Definitely. Failing to progress? Sure. In crisis? Fuck off.


You'll "accept my concede"? What the fuck are you trying to say?

Nobody in Scotland eats or spends time in motorways service station because we simply don't have many stretches of motorways that aren't intersected by towns and villages so why would we waste money building an inferior version of something that already exists?

Hold on, hold on, is English your second language? You keep "quoting" words that no one else has said? I don't think those English lessons are working down there.

Most regions outside of Glasgow and the Lothians are agricultural and the best places to eat in them are not chain restaurants. Everything else you're saying is derivative and loosely projected?

And for your information, farmers will often rely on hospitality sites to provide steady income stream to supplement their seasonal agricultural one so the opposite of your assertion holds true and they are usually supported by locals not tourists.

I'm not desperate, I'm just confused why you're picking a words of words when you're not even literate in your native language.

>>13868879
what the actual fuck you sad case hahahaha

>>13868884
Point out anything that’s wrong in that post, chucklefuck. I’ll wait.

>>13868880
Nae bother.

If you go to the Spanish place, they do this dish which sounds meh but it blew my mind- it's like slices of aubergine (which I don't usually like) which are fried and then glazed in some orange and honey magic and it's just holy shit levels of good

Panda&Sons staff are pretty much all junkies so they don't wash, between shifts, wear dirty clothes, don't wash their hands, take drugs on shift, go to the toilet and don't wash their hands, don't wipe down their bars, never clean out their ice machine which is mouldy and if you don't have a bar manager/supervisor serving you they'll just put whatever they feel like in your drink so the consistentcy is just not there

>>13868882
Nice excessive quoting. Feeling rattled? Was it a bit difficult trying to remember everything you wanted to ree about?

>>13868882
People are obsessed with the motorway in England. My friend moved down there for work in the Midlands and said he'd spend ages on the motorway to go to work, then at work all people could talk about was the motorway and its conditions on any given day and the office was facing the motorway and then he'd get back on it to go home. So he realised he was about to go crazy and quit and moved to Canada.

Maybe we're witnessing the results of what happens if you don't. England, not even once.

>>13868896
bloody hell! the spanish place is pretty much top of the list next time i'm in town!

>>13868879
Who brought up natural resources?
Conversations about the oil boom died years ago, Scotland is actively trying to phase away from the declining Oil/Gas Excavation industries to focus on renewable energies- see the Seachange Report for depth.

Scotland's biggest industry is tourism so the situation in your local area is not unique.

Coffee shops are not meant to be a counterbalance to your town's failing industries.

>>13868898
Mate, half this thread you've been banging on about how Scotland is "small", presumably as opposed to "big" England. This is in fact the only true statement you've made so far and I can only guess that your fixation with it has something to do with anxiety about your penis size. Whatever else may be going wrong in your life, at least you can be sure that England is bigger than Scotland and that will help you go to bed.

>>13868898
Sorry you found it excessive, I just thought it was someone's duty to educate you how to properly punctuate. My use of punctuation doesn't rely on my memory or emotional state but I can see how you were struggling to find any other ways to offer a slight.

>>13868909
>England, not even once.
And there you have it folks. Words to live by.

>>13868882
Oh, look at that. A concede that Scotland’s educational system isn’t as brilliant as you initially claimed. Yet another lie you’ve been completely BTFO on. Good stuff.

And claiming that Scotland is “intersected” by many towns blah blah, hence you don’t need motorway service stations is yet another lie. As fucking if. You must literally have never left Edinburgh or wherever it you’re from if you think that’s the case.

And great stuff on further conceding you were talking absolute bollocks about these supposed “agricultural region” restaurants. What a garbled, incoherent mess of a response. You’ve failed to supply even one instance of these supposed ‘restaurants’ and you’re now attempting (despite having denied this previously) that actually they are kept in profit by fucking farmers of all things after all. I can definitely see it now - all those bastions of epicurean delight dotted all over the Scottish countryside, being kept in business by some sheep fucker who makes a serious point of getting down his tick-infested glen to go have a sit down four-course at least once a day. Hilarious backtracking.

I can tell you work as some shitty waiter or barman in some bar, that I can tell you. Tell me: on a scale of one to ten, just how seething are you that you’ll never be able to afford to live in London? Be honest...

>>13868909

This is so true, I lived in Cambridge for a couple years near Milton Keynes which is just a town of roundabouts surrounded by motorways and it's honestly the only thing anyone would talk about- it was they had PTSD from over-exposure to tarmac and roadlock

>>13868936
Nah, stupid. You’ve obviously gone back and forth to re-copy so you can reply. As is obvious. What’s wrong with you? No functioning short-term memory?

>>13868927
> biggest industry is tourism
How embarrassing. Aren’t you embarrassed you have to admit that? You’re just a fucking theme park.

>>13868909
All nonsense of course but I like how you’re going to keep trying to play to that crowd.

Great job on fucking OP’s thread, by the way. It’s been a blast.

>>13868946
Where do you live? Really though. If you lie we'll never know, but you will always know that you're a faggot.

>>13868946
>A concede
Are you trying to say a concession? Is that what you mean? Which I haven't given btw. Any other big words you want me to explain to you before you try to use them in a grown-up talk?

Mate Scotland is just a few cities and lots of towns and villages, find me a motorway which doesn't have a bunch of towns and villages spawning off it.

Again, I haven't conversed anything. Please don't conflate your inability to understand with my inability to articulate. And I'm saying that these sites provide steady revenue to the farms rather than farmers using their agriculture profits to run them. And no sheep-farmers will not run restaurants because they farm wool not dairy. I'm not backtracking , you keep making false statements and then arguing against them.

Also as I've already explained, I've lived in London, Cambridge and Brighton before moving back to Edinburgh. And no, I do not work in hospitality.

So you never did tell what your first language is because it certainly isn't English?

>>13868952
Wrong, I don't have to go back and forth because I can view your response will I type mine so there really is not requirement for recollection during this exercise.

>>13868961
Wow, this is starting to get quite desperate now isn't it? I am embarrassed that people come to visit my beautiful country and we take their money for that service? No. Next?

>>13868982
North London. Just off Hornsey Rise. As shown here. Anything else?

>>13868994
Well, you’ve spent the whole thread otherwise slagging off immigrants and tourists so yup, back to the lying I see.

>>13868982
My money is some New Pakistan grimy city hence the "large house" in a cheap region of Scotland that he holds so dear to his heart, although he did say he had dogs so its maybe a town instead?

>>13868988
Pretty garbled English for someone claiming only one post previously how they were here to “correct” everyone else’s. More hilarity from the Edinburgh barista or whatever the fuck it is you do for a ‘living’.

>>13869002

Sorry, what do you think the word lie actually means? Just so we can catch up. Arguing in another language must be hard for you.

>>13868998
>Hornsey Rise.
You still live with your parents don't you?

>>13868998
You're not white. Calling it.

>>13868985
No, a concede, stupid. I take it you didn’t attend an elite tier English university then.

The rest of your post is a garbled mess of whatever hare-brained stab at a strawman it is you’re desperately going to try next. And burbling on about ‘English’ again when you’ve just hit submit on this barely cogent diatribe with its hazy syntax and all over the place grammar is even more amusing.

I’ll accept it all, nonetheless. Many thanks. Stay rekt.

>>13869013
I’m sure you’d love to think so. Nonetheless, stay seething that you’ll never even be able to afford to cross that road on the regular.

>>13869011
That you’re lying when you say you’re fine with tourists when you’ve just spent the rest of the thread slagging them and immigrants off. Are you always this retarded, or is today just extra special for you?

>>13869009

Not at all garbled. And I never claimed I was here to correct English, that is an actual example of a lie. And another incorrect use of quotation marks. It's not funny so it's definitely not hilarious. I am not a barista but I would imagine most barista have a better grasp of the language you are so keen to misuse. I am interested to know what you do for a living, given your poor English, I imagine you either spend a lot of time in front of a computer screen or something else that doesn't require communication skills.

>>13869028
>concede
That just isn't a noun mate. What the fuck

>>13869028
No, it's a concession (noun). Concede is the verb. And I attended a Scottish University which was free obviously ;)

So what is your first language because you only seem to know about a hundred words in English?

>>13869031
Hun I've lived in London and moved since then, get over it

>>13869031
There's no other conceivable reason to live in that boring shithole otherwise. The rent there is literally the same as Peckham, so it's clearly not somewhere fancy and it's about ten times more boring. "London money" my arse

Just kiss already you two.

>>13869037
I'm fine with rich tourists visiting for a couple weeks and injecting the local economy.

I'm fine with skilled workers legally residing here. .

I'm not fine with unskilled workers, EU migrants or illegal immigrants which- thanks to Boris Johnsons reformation of our immigration policy this year- which will henceforth be the national policy. Read it and weep.

>>13869040
It’s being used as a verb, you fucking ill-educated moron. You concede that my dick is quite obviously bigger than yours. Learn English. This is standard usage in taught rhetoric at actual elite universities. Stay mad.

>>13869039
Wrong on all counts but your now obvious obsession with me personally is pretty cute. Scrawny Scottish baristas aren’t my thing, though, so I’m going to have to respectfully decline.

>>13869065
Great. I’ll be up at the end of May. You’re welcome.

>>13869070
The verb you're looking for is concession, I was privately educated from the edge six but nice try. And I do not concede shit you illiterate fucknugget.

Did you even go to university?

>>13869085
> was privately educated from the edge six
My fucking sides.

>>13869082
Hun you live in Islington, you can't afford shit or you wouldn't be living there. You talk like you live in Canary Wharf but you might as well live in Brixton, at least that would be trendy.

>>13869085
If you was so well edumacated from such a young edge, man, how is it you don’t know to use a comma proper-like?

>>13869090
*Age of
Obvious typo, thanks autocorrect

>>13869092
> Canary Wharf
Why the fuck would I live there? I’m not some city barrow boy, son. I’m also indifferent on your views of my property’s value. It’s more than you’ll ever be able to afford; that’s all you need to be sure of.

>>13869097
I was pulling your chain, anyway. Hard to resist but fair enough.

>>13869096
Made a list then didn't correct it all. What can I say, I've been translating this guy's arguments into coherency for hours, some commas are going to slip through the cracks.

>>13869111
I’m the same guy. Nice digits.

>>13869107
Oh right, so what made you choose Islington? The geographical insignificance or the high crime rate? You keep speculating that you're wealthier than me but I don't think you are.

Did you come from a poor family and now you're earning enough money to buy a home you think you're hot shit?

Also you're confusing more than one person for the same anon, just another little reading tip for you there son.

>>13869118
If you don’t specifically identify yourself, then you’re Anonymous, son.

I did grow up poor, yes. I told you: half my family is Scottish. I live in Islington because my ex wife wanted to live here and when she fucked off, I kept the house. I’m also absolutely positive I earn more money than you do given my field but then I’m not especially interested in you or your ‘life’, anyway so I don’t actually care either way.

>>13869118
You’re right about the high crime rate, though. Not that that geriatric old cunt Marxist Corbyn gives a shit.

>>13869140
>If you don’t specifically identify yourself, then you’re Anonymous, son.

What is this supposed to be in reference to?

Not even touching the low-hanging fruit of divorce but your choice to continue to live there evidences my assertion it necessity not preference. Unless you've unexpressed impending plans to move.

Let's play a guessing game, so if you're half-Scottish and now live in London and your first language isn't English... Is your first language Urdu?

And now you're just assuming that your field is more profitable than mine and also that you've reached a higher level than me and that my only income is from my career. All just assumptions.

>>13869160
Not much to respond to there; not even as banter. I have no plans to move because my job requires I live mainly in London (but I can afford long, long holidays). English is my first language, quite obviously.

Other than that, as I say, I’m not interested in your ‘life’ at all.

I think frying fish in beef fat seems like and odd combination.

>>13869162

There's been no banter in this thread for quite some time.

I don't believe English is your first language otherwise why would you wait until now to make that assertion when I've questioned it so many times? You don't know how to use basic grammar, punctuation and don't understand a lot of words so I doubt English is your first language.

You could live in London without living in crime-addled hovel unless your work is a stone's throw from your current address which is the only other reason I could think of to keep you rooted.

And it does make sense that you're more interested in spraying your bullshit self-aggrandizing projections than reality.

>>13869188
Because it’s not worth responding to. It’s just obvious it’s my first language. You seem an enormously angry lad, though, I’ll say that. Very keen to get personal very quickly which is interesting in a way that it also isn’t.

Anyway, great thread derail. See you around.

>>13869204
It's not obvious, I am genuinely shocked and stunned if it is your first language because you seem to have an incredibly poor grasp on it. Please find some synonyms for seething.

And if you take a little trip through the thread, you'll see you were the one who was incessantly raging and confidently arguing with 2/3 people as if they were one person.

Enjoy your 'life' reflecting in the house you don't want that you live in so you can do the job that affords you the house you don't want that you can go take "long, long" holidays from in a country you don't like either. Sounds, eh, fulfilling.

>>13868698
>benefitted from an advantageously disproportionate ratio in the Barnett formula

>benefitted

Scotland and London are the only two economic zones which are net contributors ro the UK economy, everywhere else is a drain.

>>13867365

We don’t really do pepper, just salt and vinegar, but vinegar goes on first, or it will wash the salt off .

>>13868107
Disgusting how lumpy that batter was

Fry everything in beef dripping

>post a thread about fish and chips
>it's time for the U.K. to shine in this board
>after a few useful posts thread devolves into regional bickering

>>13870318
>Regional bickering
Our Italian OP must have felt right at home then

>>13869162
Barrister?

>>13870918
professional autist, amateur gayboy

>>13867349
lmfao what the fuck is beer dripping nigga, the fat from a beer? lol

use Canadian potatoes, canadian fish and be canadian

>>13872692
what is this abomination. i thought you people went to the new world for a better life, because things were plentiful there. what is this pile of greasy misery i see here?

>>13873712
It's just some dumb fucking Ontarian faggot trying to trigger Maritimer chads.

Manchester style batter is 3lb flour to 0.5 oz of baking soda with a little less than 2 litres of water.
That ratio, but not those amounts unless you are making 60 plus pieces of fish. Dry fish with paper towel, flour and shake of excess, dip in batter and leave only a thin film. 6 minutes per 6oz piece of fish in 350 degree oil (dial was broken) but beef fat would taste better. Haddock is superior to cod.
Worked in a chippy for 5 years.

>>13873767
>Haddock is superior to cod.
My god! There it is! Thank you mate. When we get independence, the North is welcome to join us.

>>13867424
nah but a lot will cook them to almost done to have a big batch for busy times

>>13866265
NO IT'S FUCKING NOT.

The whole south of England has fucking shit fish and chips because the cunts use vegetable oils instead of animal fats.

DO NOT BE LIKE FUCKING ESSEX

>>13874438
your language is atrocious and offensive

>instead of animal fats.
This is why fast food fries/chips taste are so awful all these years later too. The vegans and religious laws minders got involved in their business model of great taste for "health" and inferior oils.
That craze where duck fat rules? Of course it does. But, it's not unique, all animal fat rules.

>>13874438
The local chip shop from me used beef dripping, so I created a load of fake 1 star Google reviews to get them closed down.

Jesus Christ /ck/
It's just Fish and Chips

>>13874492
It's not just fish and chips
It's a way of life.

>>13874492
>It's just Fish and Chips

>It's just a tax
>It's just some tea

And now look where that got you. You should have just drank the fucking tea.

Step 1: attain loicence

>>13867749
Imagine embracing English/Scottish ethnic rivalry while English people are an ethnic minority in their capital city and second largest city. We should be focused on exterminating the shitskins at the moment. We can break up the union later.

my batter always sloughs off my fish when I fry. what am I doing wrong?