/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>13796589
texas.

>>13796589
>>13796594
Should mention I'm a Canadian so I dont know the difference to well. Mind explaining why?

>>13796609
>white oak fire wood
>no sauce

>>13796589
>no Missouri
dropped

>>13796589
I live in NC, so I'm partial, but I like vinegar based sauces the best. That said, every type has their own distinct flavors, so I would say what I think is best, is whatever I'm in the mood for.

Carolina and Texas are tied they are such 2 different animals. Both are great though.

>>13796614
From what I read wood is a big deal right?
>>13796622
If I were to make the trip. What spot should I go?

>>13796589
Tennessee or NC

>>13796632
wood is the key
use white oak on thick cuts of beef
alder is great for fish
red oak is good for poultry
any hardwood works for sausage
any hardwood works for ribs

>>13796589
They're all good except for the Carolinas.
T Texan

>>13796589
The most correct answer is Missouri (whoever made OP's image is full of shit if they think the Kansas side of Kansas City is relevant.) Least correct answer is Texas for being overrated despite being the least interesting of the national options. All others are acceptable.

Memphis.

>>13796650
What spot would you reccomend to go for my first taste of american bbq?

>>13796672
Why Missouri?

>>13796589
>>13796632

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgq0Rm58sPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1DBINabAng

>>13796678
Kreuz Market in Lockhart, TX.

>>13796589
Georgia. Their sauce with the pulled pork just imploded my testes when I had it.

>>13796692
That's so cool thanks anon

>>13796700
>>13796710
Al Add them to the list. I'm going to do a bbq road trip

>>13796672
Yeehaw Law will not let this bullshit stand

>>13796683
Kansas City was a major trade hub, particularly for cattle, was once the 2nd largest stockyards in the country falling just behind Chicago. The style is probably closest to Memphis styles as that is where one of the major founders came from in the 1800s but it developed with a much greater focus on beef. It is much more sauce heavy than something like Texas which is largely served dry. The sauce itself varies depending on where in the city you are, from something like a thicker and slightly sweeter version of the memphis style to a more peppery tomato/vinegar type. Don't look at 'KC Masterpiece' sauce, association with the city is largely marketing. That garbage is a product of the Clorox Company and is is pretty much liquid candy.

>>13796822
Amn, the history runs deep with BBQ. So that explains why Kansas city is out. Why is Missouri in? Is it different? Oris it's the same sweet sauce style?

>>13796589
Where the fuck are Virginia and West Virginia you fucking faggot

>>13796721
That sound slike a trip worth going on! Onward to adventure and mudbutt!

>>13796835
The way Missouri is set up you have two major cities hugging the border on either end (Kansas City and St.Louis, both also spill out into their neighboring states) separated by rural hill and forest country in between. There is also a largely rural flavored capital smack dap between them but it is largely irrelevant, it just houses politicians. Oh and all 3 cities pretty much despise each other but thats a different story.

If you talk about BBQ and Missouri you are pretty much just talking about Kansas City, Missouri. Kansas City, Kansas is a fraction of the size and largely just spillover into Kansas...Kansas City predates the State of Kansas by several years, but the name now confuses people on where it is actually located, the spillover doesn't help. Named after the river, which was named after the Native American tribe. There are BBQ varieties in the middle of nowhere locations in between in the ozarks and in St Louis, but StLouis is more well known for...'toasted ravioli' so I don't know what they are doing.

>>13796589
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>>13796614
Mesquite too

>>13796882
that map is pretty terrible. They somehow include the mutton type from Kentucky but leave out all the major varieties. Clearly this was made from someone not well versed in the topic. Surprised they didn't include Alabama and it's weird white sauce.

>>13796721
If you're doing a road trip stop by Salt Lick in Dripping Springs

>>13796589
arkansas

>>13796589
Missouri hands down. If you are ever in the area at 9am go to Gates. best sammich i evah had.

>>13796589
MO and TX are tied, nothing else matters

>>13796942
Thanks man. That's pretty confusing for a non American. I appreciate you taking your time to explain that to me.

>>13796950
>>13796882
Sorry guys I'm from Canada and dont really know what's supposed to be there so I just grabbed the first map I saw

>>13796589
Where is MN?

>>13797067
I FOUND IT!!

>>13796672
LOL
I tried out 3 of the KC's BBQ joints in November and none of them hold a candle to Texas BBQ. Joe's was the only passable one.

>>13797117
You win a walleye!

>>13796942
>>13796822
I'm a former KCMO native and anon you are an 11/10 person for the history lesson.

Fuck any BBQ outside of KC. I've tried some stuff here in PA that is based on the style that North Carolina uses. Not my thing so I've mostly been disappointed.

Why is florida in the picture? I don’t know if we have any Signature bbq dishes in Florida

>>13796599
>$37.50

>>13797126
I'd rather a few crappie.
t. northern Minnesotan

>>13796673
As a native Memphian, I'm finally becoming a big boy and am looking into getting into learning my way around the hog to contribute to our BBQ culture.

>>13797355
Fuck youre dumb

>>13797430
is that as tasty as it looks?

>>13797430
Not the guy who posted it, but consider alligator tastes like a pleasant combination of chicken and fish, then you wrap it up in bacon and smoke it....I mean...how could it not be?

>>13796589
I'm a rib man myself

>>13796589
South Carolina, bitch.

>>13796589
is there any state that doesn't have good bbq? i've heard some fuckwit say their state has the best bbq in each of the 50 states.

>>13796621
And they listed KCKS instead of KCMO. Sage this shit

>>13797125
Go to LC's BBQ. I've lived in KC for 23 years, and it's the best tasting BBQ that I've ever had.

>>13796623
I can agree with this. The two are worlds apart, but both are extremely delicious.

>>13796672
based, border patrol pepperniggers can't even accept basic reality at this point.

>>13796882
What's West Virginia style like? I've never heard of it before.

>>13796710
Georgia usually wins "Best BBQ" when magazine have readers vote, but there isn't really a Georgian style of BBQ.
Georgia has the most variety of the states in the BBQ Belt.
>>13796950
The mayo based white sauce is generally limited to a small region in North Alabama centered in Decatur
>>13797355
There is some pretty good BBQ in the northern part of Florida, especially around Jacksonville.
>>13797434
Yes, alligator is delicious

The best BBQ is made via sous-vide. You rub the cut down with yellow mustard and apply your dry rub. Vacuum seal and put in the water bath for time / temp to get desired results (check out Serious Eats or the guides from Anova to get texture guides).
Refrigerate the meat afterwards. Smoke it at 275F until you get the desired amount of smoke / bark (usually 1.5 hour for ribs, 3 hours for pork butt or brisket.)
Yes, this is intentionally hotter than normal. You are trying to get smoke and bark. The meat is already super tender. If you are making brisket, take it off when it looks like it is time to wrap it.
Thank me later.

>>13796589
Hawaii

South carolina because of THEM SAUCES

>>13797765
Sous vide is the way of the future man. Steaks, bbq, what's next?

>>13797836
Sous vide is kids fucking around with ziplock bags. it's a garbage fad. Reverse Sear is real, Sous Vide is for idiots.

>>13797841
How do you reverse sear a steak for example?

>>13796589
I may get some heat for this but Californian BBQ blows all southern shit out of the water

>>13797836
>Sous Vide
That is literally Amazon consoomer zoomer tier food. It all tastes exactly the same.

>>13796632
Parker’s Barbecue in Wilson NC
The Pit in Raleigh NC
Holt Lake BBQ in Smithfield NC
Midwood Smokehouse in Charlotte NC

you’re welcome

>>13797874
All of those are closed due to extreme exposure to the chinese virus. Coincidence? IDK man

>>13797048
Forgivable. You have north carolina twice, for some reason. North carolina is vinegar based pork shoulder and south carolina is mustard based whole hog. The quintessintial american bbq place, if you were to choose one, would be Franklin's BBQ in texas. Look them up. Watch their videos.

>>13797841
sous-vide is the exact same thing as reverse sear, moron. You bring the item to temperature and then you sear it. The difference is that sous-vide is more precise and more consistent. You use X degree water to bring the item up to X temperature. Reverse search uses a hotter than X temp to bring the middle of the item up to X temp.

>>13796589
Florida

>>13797886
I'm not sure if you are trolling or if you are just dumb.
North Carolina has 3 distinct styles. Vinegar on whole hog in the East, "Lexington Dip" in the Piedmont, and Molasses on pork butt in the mountains.
Frankin's BBQ is the avocado toast of BBQ.

>>13797430
Fucking hell that looks good

>>13797886
oh, and I should add that South Carolina is known for mustard based sauces because of Maurice's in Columbia. The sauce is quite sweet and the bbq is not very good. They also do not use the whole hog.

>>13797912
Wow I'm so sorry for your retardation (aka retard nation)

>>13796589
Lived in Memphis for 20 years. Tried many different BBQs. And the joke is that the Corky's chain is better than all of them. Moved to Nashville. Been here for 10 years. Same thing. Corky's is still the best. It's ridiculous.

>>13797917
Sorry dude, but Maurice's is ass. The best BBQ in Columbia is from Palmetto Pig.

>>13796589
TX > NC (but just barely) > Memphis = Kentucky > Kansas

Georgia and Missouri can go suck a fuck and St. Louis can blow it out their assholes.

>>13797963
>>13796589
Hawaii #1

>>13796589
>mutton

Don't forget Alabama white sauce.

>>13796589
braai > bbq

>>13796589
OFFICIAL UNBIASED BBQ TIER LIST
1. Texas
2. Missouri
3. Memphis
no other state really matters except Georgia gets a shoutout for their mustard sauce which is great on pulled pork. i have no idea how the carolinas became famous for bbq, their stuff is shit.

>>13797896

Daily Reminder: What you white people call "soul food" and "southern BBQ" are nothing more than your niggers stealing recipes from Latin & Caribbean cuisines. Stop trying to appropriate our foods and claim your slaves "invented" these dishes when they existed for a 100 years before the slave trade.

>>13798059
Objectively true. Nice job, anon

>>13796589
north/south carolina

BBQ is not made from beef, end of discussion

>>13796589
Ayyo hol up. Kentucky BBQs mutton? I know where I'm going on vacation when the coof panic ends.

Just moved to DFW, please recommend me good BBQ places to go to, especially in the Plano area, but I will travel especially if it's the best of the best/go before you die kind of place

>>13796599

Texas is beef bbq, and emphasis is placed on the woodsmoke and how the beef is cooked.

Pork, sauce, ribs, etc....are all not important. Smoked brisket is the standard.

DFW has two tier-1 joints:

1: Cattleack in Carrollton or Farmers Branch
2:Ye Olde Butcher Shoppe in Plano

Look up the bbq listings in Texas Monthly magazine online.

>>13796609

See >>13798629

>>13798271

Avoid Lockhart. It's gone hipster.

>>13797969
Why?

>>13797874

Also, NC has some retards in the western half who have no taste and add some thick red sauce. Stick to the eastern half of the state to get the proper vinegar based pork barbeque.

The vinegary shits are usually not an issue, but due to the TP shortage you might want to use caution.

>>13798807

pic related seems to suggest Hawaii does food rather well

>>13797512
This

>>13798807
It's fun to be a contrarian on an amateur Tibetan paper mache forum.

>>13798271
Hutchins in McKinney
Cattelack in Farmers Branch (good luck getting any)
Pecan Lodge, except fuck the line and get 5lbs to go
everyone else is tier 2 or less, except Dickey’s which is the McDonalds of bbq..do NOT eat at Dickey’s
t.native Dallasite

>>13798631
wife went to school/same sorority as the owner of Lockhart, so we used to go their regularly, but the quality control has diminished over the years, as if they lost their way; and service is downright hostile at times; avoid (except for their blue cheese potato salad, which is still amazing)

>>13796673
>>13797411
>>13797933
>>13797963
>>13798059

Memphis. It's Memphis, OP.
Texas specializes in BEEF ribs and brisket, and NC places emphasis on sauces.
Memphis practices traditional pork BBQ ribs.
Central BBQ, The Barbeque Shop, Jim Neely's Interstate BBQ, The Germantown Commissary, Rendezvous, etc.

We host the world championship BBQ festival every May for a reason.

>>13798831
Absolute unit.
However, I could get that big of McDonalds.

>>13796589
Does kentucky really like mutton?

>>13796589
I live in Arkansas, so people from other regions flock here and show off what they are known for. I haven't traveled to any big BBQ spots (honestly every time I save up enough for a vacation I just go to New Orleans, because at least I know I will enjoy myself.) That said, from the styles I have tried, this is my ranking:

>Top Tier
>Memphis
>Carolina

>Mid Tier
>Kentucky

>Low Tier
>Kansas City- Tried one of the more famous restaurants in KC and everything was dusted with chili powder/ cumin. It was so unpalatable I couldn't even finish my food. Not sure if this is typical.

>Shit Tier
>Texas- WIDELY fucking overrated, we have a restaurant in our town that always has a line out the door as soon as they opened. I waited an hour to get in and get my food and it was just bland, burnt shit. Again, not sure if this is typical.

I'd definitely be open to some recommendations of good BBQ in KC/TX.

>>13796672
Yeah leaving Missouri off and crediting KC BBQ to Kansas is just stupid. Not to mention leaving St Louis and their pork steaks/baby back ribs off too.

>>13796942
>There is also a largely rural flavored capital smack dap between them but it is largely irrelevant, it just houses politicians.

As a native to that irrelevant capitol, let me tell you it's a much nicer place to live than either of the big cities.

>>13798100
>Daily Reminder: What you white people call "soul food" and "southern BBQ" are nothing more than your niggers stealing recipes from Latin & Caribbean cuisines. Stop trying to appropriate our foods and claim your slaves "invented" these dishes when they existed for a 100 years before the slave trade.
Everything in this world is "appropriated" from someone else, illegal Jose. It doesn't mean we blacks didn't invent variations of Latin foods.

>>13799310
Not saying it isn't a fine place to live, anywhere is better than St.Louis (probably even Detroit) but that probably boils down to demographics. But Jeff City has a small population doesn't really have a major impact on culture, economic or industry of the state. A lot of that probably goes down to location.

>>13798100
Maybe if your cuisine wasn't so fucking boring, the "niggers" wouldn't have to improve on it.

I’m not hip to all these out-state versions of BBQ and smoked meat but I do go to the Victory Inn/Victory Smokehouse here in Warren MI every Sunday to watch the Lions and they’ve got some great food (I usually get the burt ends or brisket with a mac & cheese on the side).

https://www.welcometothevic.com

>>13797765
>The best BBQ is made via sous-vide
Nope.

>>13799347
> dumb white tastelet actually thinks nigger slop is on par with Latin cuisine
lol. Stick to velveeta, pig asshole hot dogs, and lab experiment fake meat patties, you redneck.

I live in South Carolina so I love the BBQ here, but the best BBQ I've ever eaten in my entire life was in Texas. I feel guilty about it but it's true.

Memphis a shit though

>>13799628
Hmm yeah don't really see world renowned chefs praising your mud cakes. Stick to building houses, Pedro.

>>13798952
god I miss the Commissary, fuck Maryland so much.

California has the best BBQ

You'll go to Mission BBQ if you have any Goddamn respect!

>>13800236
Patriotic Pig in NRHills, TX is great.

>>13798271
hard eight

>>13798271
if you ever find yourself in Denton, Juicy Pig is really good.

>>13796589
South Carolina

>>13796589
>Kansas City

>>13797067
yup, Im thinking based AND redpilled

>>13799312
Imagine completely disregarding the African influences that separate it from Latin. Then being jealous they did it better.

>>13800468
Avoid the sides, brisket is good.

>>13800472
I like Chasing Tail BBQ in lake Dallas.

>>13800700
>redpilled in a blue state
I didn’t know Somalians knew BBQ

All Texas fags and sauce fags please kill yourself.

>>13800823

>>13796589
Why is KC not highlighted on this map? Arthur Bryant's is worth waiting in line for.

>>13796589
NC

North Carolina makes the best barbecue sauces, I prefer the Lexington/Western style but the Eastern type is great too, much better than the South Carolina mustard-based sauce.
That said, the actual dishes in NC are lame, Lexington BBQ is just fucking chopped pork shoulder with some coleslaw.

>>13797513
Honestly no, American barbecue as a whole is incredibly delicious.

>>13798100
cry more bitchass faggot

Carolina
t. Georgia, most of our local joints are Carolina style
Never got the appeal of Texas style even though I like a lot of their other stuff

>>13801152
It’s because Texas Pride World Wide....


We have an over inflated ego and a bajillion BBQ restaurants.

>>13801081
Are there any types outside of the south?

>>13796632
>If I were to make the trip. What spot should I go?
You have to hit both Lexington style and Eastern style (and talk loudly about how you prefer the opposite of whichever type of establishment you're in). Monk's in Lexington is the exemplar of Lexington-style, but 9/10 places in areas like Winston-Salem, Greensboro and High Point are of in a similar vein. Stamey's, Mr BBQ, etc. Kepley's in High Point is the only Eastern-style place I can think of until you start to get closer to Raleigh.

>>13797362
plus tip

>>13798059
>Georgia
>Mustard Sauce

You never find mustard sauce in Georgia, thats a South Carolina thing. NC uses either vinegar sauce or tomato-based if you go get inferior Lexington style.

Georgia is usually a terrible ketchup or tomato based sauce. I encourage you to try actual NC BBQ since you seem to be a little confused

>>13798952
Corky's is underrated and a lot better than Rendezvous. Central and Corky's are the best I've tried. Haven't tried interstate yet.

I love the ribs at patriotic pig, my wife liked the Ribs at meat u anywhere

>>13796589
eastern north carolina

>>13797430
I only ever had alligator fried get over yourself

>>13796942
STLMO here
We have our own cut of ribs
also, toasted ravioli is fucking bomb--who doesn't like fried food?

>>13796589
Alabama
white sauce

>>13804519
gross

>>13804651
sweet red sauce is boring

BBQ is just smoked ketchup. Change my mind.

>>13796589
I want everyone to imagine with me that this is the post apocalypses and that image is the only map anyone has.

>>13796589
California. You can get any of that shit without having to live in the South.

>>13796589
Most BBQ is kinda overpriced shit desu, its better to make a lot of it at home.

Texas brisket is the most based on the list, it comes black on the outside with lots of peppercorns, is super tender and overall a good time, but Texans have shit sauces.

Kansas City MO dominates most of MO culture and drips into St. Louis. Most Kansas shit is thick, sweet, and aims to be smoky. Pretty good stuff, if "smoky" gets annoying STL tends to drop that shit.

Memphis has a lot of good dryrub. Carolinas feature mustard-based and vinegar-based sauces.

>>13796589
Texas
They take it seriously. They have superior grills and methods.
Sweet and spicy seasonings/sauce for the best flavor. Slow cooked for hours to let the enzymes really break down for the best tender juicy mouthfuls of meat. Fat quality cuts from the neighborhood grocery store cause they don't fuck around. Made with love and passion with a hint of science.

Heck I've even had smoked BBQ with zero seasonings which was pretty damn good

>>13798059
Based

>>13796589
Texas
They take it seriously. They use superior grills and methods, not this Tinkerbell Weber grills with a spatula and watch.
Sweet and spicy seasonings/sauce for the best flavor. Slow cooked for hours to let the enzymes really break down for the best tender juicy mouthfuls of meat. Constantly checking temperature instead of clock because a day bbqing with beers is no need for rush. Fat quality cuts from the neighborhood grocery store cause they don't fuck around. Made with love and passion with a hint of science.

Heck I've even had smoked BBQ with zero seasonings that was better than most

>>13805137
Texaspilled

>>13805137
Texas seems to be a beef bbq standard

>>13805942
True, but their pork bbq is inferior to KC, Memphis and North Carolina.

I've lived in KCMO my whole life and I'll let you all in on a little secret. FUCK GATES, FUCK ARTHUR BRYANT'S, FUCK ((((JOE'S)))). The best BBQ in the entire country comes from some no name fat ass, unhygienic, sawdust on the floor restaurant that fails its first health inspection but stays open illegally anyway. These little local BBQ places pop up all the time and HANDS DOWN beat the shit out of any other place I've ever eaten at. If you're ever in KC you just gotta look around and you'll find them. Real answer is the Wabash in Excelsior Springs, Mo.

>>13798952
Dont be forgettin Jim and Nicks
by the abdoned toys r us
901kun

What's the best place to get bbq if you don't live in the South?
>t. Pennsylvanian

>>13796589
>
tx bbq, sc sauce

>>13796589
Honestly, I couldn't tell the difference between Texas, Memphis or Carolina bbq if you had a gun to my head.

>>13796599
Where is the sauce? Where are the mac and cheese? Where is the sausage? What a sad tray

>>13797963
>Kansas
That's KC faggot, the "Kansas" idea of a bbq is "lol put a burger on the grill"
>t. KCMO native living in KS

>>13796589
>mmmm...MUTTON

>>13805981
>some no name fat ass, unhygienic, sawdust on the floor restaurant that fails its first health inspection but stays open illegally anyway
This applies to most food desu, unless it's some super fancy french haute cuisine shit. I'm from Philly and I could've told you the exact same method for how to find the best local cheesesteak.

>>13798631
Shits good though

>>13796614
>no sauce
aww. ive had good sauceless barbecue...but still aww...

>>13796589
Low-key Montana has excellent BBQ. Doesn't really have that much of it's own style because it's so simple. Fire, pepper, salt, fuck off.

>>13800849
Yall niggas hiring?

>>13807384
Yeah, but I can't tell you how many people turn up their nose at places I try to take them to when they ask about KC BBQ. It's always "but anon, I came halfway across the country. I'm not eating at a dump like that." And then they go to Gates or Arthur Bryant's, Joe's if they're feeling native, and they come back saying it wasn't as good as it was hyped. Well no duh, you didn't listen.

>>13796589
I've lived and traveled in all corners of the South. currently in Georgia, the BBQ here is pretty good of course, but I'd say my favorite is Kansas city style overall. I think i'm saying this after getting my fill of pull pork and whole pig over so many years. Georgia has the best brunswick stew though which I will never tire of, nobody else knows how to make this. Peas DO NOT belong in this stew. Nothing makes me rage like peas in Brunswick stew.

>>13798829
I don't even fuck with Western NC. ENC is the best example of the state's barbeque.

>>13796710
>Georgia. Their sauce with the pulled pork just imploded my testes when I had it.

So you are now a eunich?

>>13796589
>Kentucky
>Mutton
What retard made this?

>>13796622
my fellow nc nigger. mustard and vinegar based sauces are the superior bbq

winston fag btw

>>13796672
mad missouri faggot

>>13797512
south carolina is just a tumor on north carolina. by saying north carolina you are implying south carolina too.

>>13799110
>I waited an hour to get in and get my food and it was just bland, burnt shit. Again, not sure if this is typical.


My friend learn the lingo. You don't want brisket with a bunch of bark, ask for inside cut. You don't want shit part of the ribs ask for center cut. If it's a slow day ask for toe cut on the brisket best of both worlds. I know it's hard, but try to be friendly to the staff and you can pick it up after a couple of visits.

>>13805048
>Texans have shit sauces.
True. Would kill for a sweet SC sauce most of the time.

>>13797366
Warroad?

As a Coloradan Texans are one of my natural enemies but god damn does that state know its way around a smoker.

>>13798263
>>13799025
>>13808184
Kentuckian here. The best place for BBQ here is Moonlite BBQ in Owensboro. Do NOT go to Lexington or Louisville or some crap, they will NOT have the mutton we are famous for.

Owensboro is really fun, but it's small so maybe best to stop there on your way to St. Louis, Louisville, Indianapolis, or Cincinnati.

>>13809241
fuck off and go drink your bourbon kentucky faggot. Your state is just a bunch of rich Ohioans pretending to be southern

>>13799025
Absolutely. It's Sunday tradition for a family gathering to have a mutton BBQ after church. The men will start the BBQ in the morning and by lunch the meat, usually a bone in leg with a salt and herb rub, is super tender. Then the incest session for dessert. Non-family is typically not welcome

>>13798271
Just got to Austin lol

>>13798629
>1: Cattleack in Carrollton or Farmers Branch
The location in Farmers Branch is hands down the best bbq I've had when eating out.

No contest. The Netherlands.

Unironically Texas. BBQ good enough that you don't even need to slather it in sauce.

>>13810429
do you smoke your meats in mayo or something

>>13809228
Why do you hate Texans? Is it because our wealthy flock to your state to ski?

South Carolina

>>13810709
we drove through western SC and saw as many BBQ places as Texas, but we couldn't stop. Many such cases. Sad! Next time though.

>>13796589
south korea

>>13810723
Worst Korea