/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Poor oinker. I hope he tasted good at least.

i dont care

>>13758154
Animals eat animals. Humans are animals. We are doing what nature intended, only better.

>>13758154
Animals don't have same rights as Humans so no.

>>13758162
>implying nature has intentions

pigs are based but vegans are not.

all kings eat meat, vegans are below pigs

>>13758179
Rights are a human construct and differ from place to place and time to time.

>>13758154
just looking at him makes me want to hurt him even more.

>>13758191
When you are on top of the chain, you don't really care what species think.

>>13758191
and are completely centered around humans and their morals. I wonder why?

Torture? I don't buy factory farmed stuff and I buy from humane butchers. I don't want to participate in unnecessary pain, but their lives in and of themselves I don't care about.

>>13758154
Likely not, as the likelihood that they will engage in the same activities is very high.

>>13758198
It makes you angry because it confronts your cognitive dissonance at caring about animal welfare but not when it inconveniences you. There's been actual research on this.
>inb4 I don't care any animals

>>13758154
The far more important question is: will I give a shit?

>>13758229
you should have somehow managed to squeeze the term "late capitalism" into this to make it sound believable.

>>13758229
There are plenty of "ethically questionable" things I tolerate because the alternative of people going hungry to provide cows/pigs/chickens/sheep a slightly better quality of life is unthinkable to me

>>13758154

many people on /ck/ don't care about animals, in fact they regularly want to, if they haven't already, eat dog, cat, dolphin, apes, whales, sharks, etc. it's unironically one of the more sociopathic boards on 4chan, which probably shouldn't be surprising since having "food" as a major hobby/pastime is absurdly indulgent.

>>13758182
It does. It’s called survival of the fittest. It is nature’s intent to kill off the weak. That is why we are on top. You did nothing to help.

>>13758319

livestock living horrible lives has nothing to do with people going hungry and significantly more to do with the corporatization and monopolization of the farming industry. there is plenty of meat that is provided humanely at realistic prices, but corporate entities make more money if animals are squeezed into cages.

>>13758154
Where is this "torture" taking place?

Are the animals talking to you about their feelings?

No? Thought so.

>>13758332
stop supporting illegal immigration then. those farms are full of illegals.

>>13758154
Definitely. But we'll be either dead or too old to care

>>13758332
How are they living "horrible lives"?

They have shelter, heat and more water and food than nature would ever provide for them.

By all means, please tell me of these "horrible lives".

>>13758355
You're right. Who wouldn't trade living in nature for the comfort of your very own cage that's too small to even turn around in?

>>13758355
>being this clueless
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_animal_farming

>>13758154
Like what do you think animal abuse will suddenly disappear just because you make it illegal?

News flash: Animal abuse is illegal in many parts of the world. It still happens anyways. Just like raping babies is illegal, but Hollywood is still is still alive and well.

>>13758339
Yeah exactly. Leftists are delusional idiots. The only people who care about animals are White.

Vegans pretend to care about animals but they want to exterminate Whites and replace us with foreigners whose religion forbids humane slaughter.

>>13758373
not being able to turn around makes them taste delicious

>>13758154
I try not to eat so much meat but it's hard to avoid. Humans were designed to eat meat that's why it tastes good.

>>13758385
You could just as easily apply that reasoning to any other illegal or immoral behaviour.

>>13758377
Again, do the animals talk to you about their "bad" lives? Are they ANYHOW complaining?

No.

>>13758373
And? Are the pigs complaining to you about this?

>>13758410
>implying they have the capacity
You could use that to justify abuse of babies or people who're mute.

>>13758413
of course. give the pig the option between being let off the farm and staying, most would leave

>>13758415
only if you're crazy desu

>>13758415
I know, but as an adult human I am capable of differentiating between a human being and a simple animal.

>>13758417
Have you leftist city fags ever actually stood in front of a fucking pig?

For fucks sake, get some life experience, befor you talk about stuff you know nothing about.

>>13758154
God Damnit Lord, bless oh ye this bacon!
We want to thank you for bringing suffering to this pig so that we might derive pleasure from its simple pain.

>>13758154
News flash: you don't actually have to torture a pig before eating it. You can actually raise it on pasture in the woods from birth to death and it will still turn into delicious ham and bacon

>>13758441
Maybe but that's not representative of general practice.

>>13758446
General practice has been around for only 50-60 years. Shit can change real quick.

In fact, it already is. You want to eat pigs like this? I can name a ton of farms in the united states that produce them, white oak pastures is one of them. They make better pork too. Since they use heritage breeds that are bred to be tasty and not to just grow as fast as possible

>>13758446
Better bring a bunch of Chinese, Mexicans, and Muslims into the country!

I'm sure they will care about humane regenerative agriculture. Just like they care about their fellow humans.

>>13758154
Who cares? I can preemptively judge anyone but it doesn’t make me any less of a faggot

>>13758441
>>13758467
Not viable if you want to provide a ton of dirt cheap pork for the peasants. If Govt didn't care about breeding as many dirt cheap workers and consumers as possible to prop up the broken capitalist economy then sure but when you have 500 million people to feed you aren't going to manage that with 10 free range pigs when the same amount of space could farm 30 battery pigs.

>>13758391
>>13758475
>le strawman
Go back to/pol/

>>13758441
Pigs destroy the ground they are raised in. They are kept in pens because if they are allowed to roam, they will destroy the ground ruining it in less than a single generation. You are dumb, you have no idea what you are talking about, you don’t even actually care, you just desperately try to convince yourself you’re better than others because of an inconsequential decision you made to not consume the flesh of animals while still using animal products and eating farmed vegetables that resulted in the deaths of countless field critters. You are a hypocrite and nothing you say will ever be of any value.

>>13758510

>>13758493
I mean if you wanna give poor people livestock feed and dealing with the health consequences instead of teaching them how to raise their own livestock so they can get 200-600 lbs of pork in a year by just feeding it their kitchen scraps be my guest.

>>13758338
>I can’t talk to animals so they can feel things

Is it hard being this stupid anon?

>>13758526
please tell us where these poor people will raise these pigs? since you seem to have all the answers...

>>13758516
You stupid ass dumbass you move the fucking pigs to different paddocks constantly and let the land rest. Electric fencing these days weighs next to nothing.

> you just desperately try to convince yourself you’re better than others because of an inconsequential decision you made to not consume the flesh of animals while still using animal products and eating farmed vegetables that resulted in the deaths of countless field critters.

... I eat meat you silly little tard child.

>>13758535
Bich I don't fucking care what the poor does. Do you have a better solution?

I do know that a pretty small backyard can keep livestock

>>13758541
You seem to think land is intimate, or that most people even have access to it. They don’t. They also can’t mass produce pork that way. It would not be profitable and they would not be able to satisfy the demand for pork. I know you’re incredibly full of yourself, but you aren’t nearly as smart as you think you are. Giving useless infeasible solutions to a problem is much the same as giving no solution at all.

>>13758544
>I do know a pretty small back yard
The majority of poor people don’t have any yard. If you don’t care what the poor do, stop caring that they eat mass produced pork. Hypocrite

>>13758154
Probably. Who cares

>>13758553
take your medication you retarded schizo. youre making this board look bad

>>13758154
You are a vegan, so why do you say "us" is eating meat?

As a vegan, I fucking love torturing animals. I just won't eat their bodies.

Of all the retarded topics that get beat to death here, this is the worst. Imagine trolling for responses like this.

>>13758595
First honest statement from a vegan I ever heard.

>>13758154
>Will future generations judge us for avoidably torturing animals?
The next generation, probably not.

Some future space civilization in the year 3030? Yeah probably, the same way ignorant people today judge people from the year 1000 due to things they have barely any understanding of.

>>13758327
Not the sense of "fittest" that is meant by that phrase. Back to school, dropout. Get thee to a dictionary.

I think we should treat the food with respect and also kill them painlessly. There should just be better regulations for slaughter houses

>>13758544
>backyard
I lived in an apartment on the 21st floor in a city with a population of 3 million (which isn't even that large, really. New York is 8.5~ million)
Almost everyone lived in the middle of the highly developed city in high rise apartments and the amount of backyard space in which pigs could be raised was extremely minimal. And the people who could afford a house with a backyard? Multi-millionaires, the kind of people who don't really need to raise pigs in their backyard because they can afford to pay the premium for organic free-range pork that gets daily massages while being fed beer.

>>13758611
There should be an end to all free meat whatsoever. Free lunch, food stamps, obingo bucks, none of that should be considered appropriately for the "purchase" of meat. We can import dirt cookies from Haiti for these people.

>>13758510
Are vegans against mass immigration?

Veganism is a left wing ideology which also is in favour of open borders.

>>13758639
Your absolutism reveals NPC tendencies.

>>13758154
fuck them. if they puss out and dont eat meat, then they deserve the weak children theyll make.

>>13758575
So you have no argument. Ok then.
>>13758609
>that’s not what they meant by fittest
you’re a fucking retard

>>13758672
Show me some vegans outspoken against mass immigration.

>>13758154
Yes. Definitely their own kids, kids are born vegan and forced to give up their morals and care for animals

They might judge us for eating meat that has poor taste, due weak farming conditions.
Or be willing to engage with the dangers of using antibiotics to increase yieeld.
Or even monoculture for farming, but that also applies to crops as well.

Beyond that, there is nothing to judge.
Modern farm practices has not been around for that long, might be subjected to change yet again in the future.

>>13758716
>born vegan
kek that’s why all those parents keep going to jail for killing their babies with vegan diets

>>13758672
>Vegan sophistry and co-opting our language.

Just focus on starving yourself to death vegan, don't worry about us.

>>13758154
I agree, we should ban waterboarding for pigs

>>13758154
Current generations are already judging us for it

>>13758154
Liberal shitheads judge writers from decades ago for not sucking off black people every other page, so probably.

>>13758741
Nobody gives a shit what vegans say.

>>13758741
Generation implies a general age group. Veganism may be more common among younger people but it's not the norm of any age group.

>>13758154
Someone's making a hell of an assumption.

No they will envy us that everyone had access to real meat and not ground bugs reconstituted into meat shapes. I personally however am trying to move away from store bought meat and make my own. Built a pin and going to Get 2 pigs and I also have half share in a cow this year. I shouldn't have to buy meat next year and will allow me to get chickens going.

>>13758809
HOW DARE YOU

>>13758729
*born with the mentality of a vegan

I wanted to be vegan since birth but I think beef was constantly shoved into me before I can talk gg to me

I gained weight on plants diet

>>13758747
>Kipling treated savages as less socio-economically developed!!
yeah this is a great point. it all comes down to how far down fag river the left is willing to drift.

>>13758818
I mean as someone who agrees with moral vegetarians I will say if you're going to consume meat that's the way you should go about it.

>>13758747
historians are overwhelmingly leftists faggots because it's one of the most pseudo fields of study and that's their wheelhouse. so you're almost certainly correct

>>13758154
what a poor oppressed european. Seeing our race in this state makes me truly sick.

>>13758206
>wow why would a human construct be focused around humans
>big thoughts
>I am intellectual

>>13758818
>Imagine being so butthurt about a 16 yo girl who started menstruating 1 or 2 years ago
The absolute state of the right!

>>13758423
Pigs are smarter than dogs and you think given the chance they wouldnt run free from cages theyve been kept in their entire life when presented with nature? Why not do an experiment if youre so certain of how you believe. Fucktard

>>13758934
>I’m overly emotional and assume everyone else is as well
Calm down Sven

>>13758944
>pigs would run away if they could
So would most pets, but it doesn’t stop vegans from owning them.

>>13758951
This means animal abuse is okay
>Libtards owned xD

>>13758355
To get them on the transport and to the slaughter takes a whole lot of beating.

>>13758355
You know prison has all those things too right? Would you honestly trade your freedom and struggle on the outside for living as a prisoner? If so you are a slave. Any man who would give up a bit of liberty for security deserves neither

>>13758975
>ok for me but not for thee
Well no one ever tried to say the left wasn’t hypocritical. The lesser of the two evils doesn’t make you a saint.

>>13758995
Where did I say I was a vegan? Youre tilting at windmills.

>>13759005
go be a faggot somewhere else, like my dads place. I will pay you money if you give him your aids.

>>13759013
Such wonderful and pleasant people the right has. True specimens of humanity, and they show it!Also youve yet to respond to this post >>13758993 but I get the feeling you jerk yourself off to the thought of what a freedom fighter you are

There's three vegan threads on just the first page. Is this level of spam really necessary?

>>13758154
Maybe pigs should have evolved the traits of opposable thumbs and prefrontal cortices instead of being delicious

>>13758995
so what, just because you can't be a perfect little vegan means there's no point in trying to reduce and maybe make it a little better? doing that makes you a hypocrite somehow?

>>13759064
Who says humans arent delicious? Theres a reason the natived called it long pig

>>13759067
Yes. If you say it’s not ok to eat animals but it’s ok to enslave them as pets, you’re a hypocrite and have no standing as the moral authority.

>>13759085
>If I strawman what the other person is saying I cant be wrong
Like clockwork

>>13759093
>I’m right because buzzwords
If you want animals to be considered equal to people, how is it ok to own them? Is it ok to own people? Why not actually try to prove your point?

>>13758154
I loaded a hog truck last night at 1 am, I'm fucking tired. I work in a hog barn.

Fuck pigs.
That said they don't have it that bad on our farm, they're a little crowded when they get to be 280 lbs, but they're not packed for very long since we start shipping out the biggest ones. When they first get in there they got tons of room.

I've seen around 36000 pigs in my time on the farm that I manage, I've never seen one look like the one in OPs pic. If one's beat up it's because other pigs did it, and if one's being picked on we try to move it to a sort/sick pen before the other pigs kill it.

I've had to euthanize at least 200, so my kill count is 200+.

I couldn't care less, they're food. I don't go out of my way to be mean to them, I'm actually nice. But no matter what I do they'll die in a few months.

>>13758154
no only white people care about animal rights

>>13758154
i do feel for animals, but the apex predator has to eat too.

>>13758339
Hog farmer posting again, can confirm, our farm is all white people, I think we're the only farm in the area that has zero mexicans. I can't confirm if they're legal or not, but most can't speak english at all, so it's likely the latter.

>>13759085
somewhat of a tangent, but if you think owning a pet is the same as keeping it as a slave then I feel really bad for any pets you might own

>>13759142
How is owning a pet different from slavery?

>>13758609
The universe is constantly trying to kill us off all the time. We shouldn't exist, but we are extremely lucky.

>>13758467
name them

preferably in Florida. I unironically want to support farms like this

>>13759153
The point of slavery is profit. You own a living thing to make money. You might be able to argue that a stabled ox whose job is to plow fields may be a slave. But a pet is a companion and a friend.

>>13758516
People don’t have to consume them if allowing them to live naturally destroys the habit. But to feed a billion obese consoomer goblinos I suppose we must find a solution.

>>13759217
You bought it. You train it. You put a microchip in it so if it runs away, it can be returned to you. It is a slave.
>>13759219
The solution is less meat consumption, which is something I already practice. Posting a picture of a pig that is scratched up from another pigs nails when it tried to climb over it isn’t going to pull at my heart strings tho.

>>13759237
ooooook

>>13759085
Are you retarded or pretending to be retarded?

>>13758154
ok leftoid

>>13759179
"WE?" Who the fuck is "we?" Speak for yourself you freak, please just kill yourself.

>>13759253
Not an argument...

>>13759237
A lot of stress issues in hogs is caused by caused by overcrowding. They are social creatures but if you want an analogy imagine living at the DMV your entire life.

>>13758809
Where do you live? There are probably free range farms in your area. Just get a giant freezer and order directly from them.

>>13759266
Are you implying that most CAFO animals are as satisfied living next to each other’s assholes as a dog is living in some white person’s McMansion?

>>13759273
So what. Just make pork chops out of them and be done with it. You idiots are making complications out of things that dont need complications.

>>13759284
I don’t want to, faggot.

>>13759279
cafo? what is that, some stupid euro crapola?

>>13759032
Vegan imbecile. If you believe anything you have said, tell yourself, not us, and stop killing animals for your food.

https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

>>13759286
Then go vegan you fucking freak!

>>13759279
It doesn’t matter how the dog feels about it. The dog isn’t smart enough to know it’s a slave the same as a cow doesn’t know it’s being raised for food. If you feel responsible for the cow but not the dog, why?

>>13759294
That would be like chicks, dumber than a box of rocks.

stupid hippy bullshit types burning themselves in protest, what a load of shit

>>13759287
Concentrated Animal Feed Operation. Lrn2google retardo

Only good thing I can say about vegans is--- they are always pathetic leftists, and they kill themselves ... alot.

>>13759310
the problem with that google crap is that its edited up the ass so if you want real information you don't go through google, its desiged by focus groups so if you want that then that's what you'll get

>>13759310
How can you be so fucking stupid as to deal with left coast google fags?

>>13759294
Is keeping a dog in a clean house with access to lots of space to roam the same as keeping it locked in a cage with its own shit all day? The thread is about the conditions they are kept in not about whether or not we use them for food.

>>13759348
Okay schizo.

lol no

>>13759264
We as in all life on the planet? you fucking retard.

>>13759380
you can see the sheer terror in the pig's eyes. shits fucked up

>>13758154
future generations will judge us to be just as glorious as they are since they also do so.
there's negative selective pressure for vegans so they will eventually die out

>>13759464
Since it's being euthanize and is laying down, that pig's probably sicker than shit. Usually if it's a broken leg or a belly rupture, you have to get a snare around their mouth to hold it still. Since it's allowing the bolt gun to be pressed against it's head without anything holding it still, it's safe to assume it's definitely in misery and needs to be shot.

It's the humane thing to do honestly.

>>13759464
How come vegans never show the animals (((they))) kill?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovGHKr-NoqQ

>>13759237
here's a little hint: you're not particularly good at thinking

>>13759475
>negative selective pressure for vegans so they will eventually die out

Praise be KEK

>>13759103
To be fair, many vegans insist on calling their pets companions and consider them adopted rather than property.

>>13758154
read the bible.
animals were CREATED BY GOD FOR OUR USE.
so no,i dont feel bad. at all.

>>13758161
I second this sentiment

>>13759479
>nah bro dont worry the pig totally wants that, seriously bro its great

>>13759359
>>13759486
>>13759592
This is how vegans justify enslaving animals even tho they shit on us for eating them. At least we don’t pretend we care.

>>13758154
tasty ham

>>13758373
>your very own cage that's too small to even turn around in?
that describes my apartment

>>13758154
In a positive sense. They will hopefully realize that humans are part of nature and nature is about conquest. Woe to the vanquished.

>>13758154
probably but who gives a fuck

>>13758423
i went to an exposition but they removed the pigs because of china
i was pissed, watching the pigs was 70% of the reason i went there, at least i got to see the gigant machines

>>13758191
They are not arbitrary and most of the places were they differ is due to abuse and oppression

>>13758229
You know what caring about things is not? Caring is expensive
Sure I care about other human being but that's because I need other humans to care about me. A pig is never going to care about me in the same way you expect me to care about it
I'm sorry but this is all the care I can afford

>>13759784
I want that

>>13758154
Yes we will. Just look at the way we treated animals even a hundred years ago. Even non-vegans will flinch.

Nah, they would hate /pol/ too

>>13760271
How did we treat animals 100 years ago?

>>13758154
>>13758154
>>13758154
>>13758154
>>>/pol/
>>>/his/
>>>/an/

FUCK FUTURE NIGGERS
ALL FANCY WITH THEIR GADGETS AND GIZMOS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS
FAGGOTS DONT WALK PROBABLY USE THE PUBLIC TELEPORTATION STATION
WELL GUESS WHAT WE GOT YOU THAT AND ALSO YOU RETARDS WOULDNT BE ALIVE THANKS TO US "EVIL MEATEATERS"
TRANSHUMAN? MORE LIKE TRANNY
FUCKING CAP THIS FUCK THEM

>>13758553
DESU, I don't really care what other people do. I'm leaving the city in a couple months, I got some land waiting for me in the countryside. (you can find cheap land, just not in cities, which are overpopulated and shitty anyways)

I already have plans set up for chickens, pigs, goats, cows, ducks, and rabbits. I'm basing my plans on already existing farms. I'm not only going to produce animal foods, but have a market garden and also produce value added goods like cosmetics and preserves. I'm not going to be some shitty butterball tyson shitshow where I rack up millions in debt so I can produce stupid amounts of low quality meat. My production model is based off of what I've seen hundreds of other farms do at a low cost. They produce less, but they make more than enough to keep their business afloat.

Ex vegans line up to get meat from animals bred and raised naturally and ethically with practices actually shown to regenerate land.

You can keep being a whiny consumer who tries to tell others how to consume. But when your vegan diet fails people like me will be there ready to take your patronage with open arms.

>>13758154
Will future generations judge the pigs who scratched that little fella?

>>13758559
The majority of poor people in cities don't have yards. City people for the most part are fucked unless they know where to look, poor folk in the country could easily have someone they know who would be happy to have some chickens in their yard, if for some reason they themselves have no access to land.

>>13758154
lolno. The future is Chinese and African, and we all know what they do to their animals.

>>13759202
There's a farm in Florida called "Circle C".

Pasture raised, no antibiotics or pesticides, slaughterhouse on site, and shit, if you don't believe their website they even offer farm tours so you can see how the animals are raised for yourself.

>>13761096
>hurr you can keep being a whiny consumer who tells others how to consume
You fucking hypocritical retard. I haven’t told a single person how to consume. I have been telling people who tell me how to consume to fuck off. God you pompous asshats are insufferable. Most of my meat comes from the Mennonites, because it’s delicious and raised naturally, but it’s expensive as fuck and there isn’t a lot of it. I don’t want more people buying it, and I understand not everyone wants to work as hard or as many hours as I do so they can afford better meat, and that’s just fine. I’m not the one telling people how to consume. That’s you faggots.

>>13758154
No, vegans are going to go extinct with other lefties thanks to abortion clinics