/ck/ - Food & Cooking

No. It's strictly a white upper-class lifestyle.

Unless you can afford 30 different beans and 40 different nuts you will have vitamin, mineral and lipids deficiency.
The costs add up quickly.

>>13602814
this

>>13602812
see i dont like the aspect of veganism that emphasises that it takes less room/resources to feed people. feels perfect for worker drones. yeeeeesssss my factory workers eat the beans live in apartments be a nice placid drone.
cap population to improve quality of life not subsist on less so everyone gets a share of gruel

>>13602812
veganism is just faggotry in general

yes, just eat whole food, buy in bulk
rice (whole wheat long grain)
beans
oats
quinoa
letnils
potatoes
etc

The only pricy thing you'll be getting are popular greens such as kale, spinach and berries.

Rice, beans, oats, bananas, potatoes, sprouts, oats, spinach, tomatoes, carrots, cabbage. All dirt cheap. Anyone who says otherwise is a class traitor

>>13602865
No. Workers revolution. You don't get to be anyone's boss or get private ownership

>>13602812
Vegetarian yes vegan no mostly vegan yes

>>13602812
For everyone. It is easier to eat plants directly than forcing animals to get pregnant constantly.
If you think logically its better for everyone, and the planet. Mass breeding and over harvesting the animal ecosystem isn't good

but people prefer taste and having REAL MEAT. So its irrelevant

>>13603059
Where's the B12 supp?

>>13603152
Cows have the ability to eat nothing but grass and produce high nutrient dense meat. You and I cannot eat grass. Moreover, the grass that they eat is just a byproduct of things like wheat farming. Or the grass grows in areas too arrid for serious agriculture

>>13603183
I'm not going to reply to this. Constantly pregnant animals for food isn't going to work. It isn't sustainable for the most obvious reason

>>13603187
>I'm not going to reply to this for obvious reasons
nice argument.

>>13603194
It wasnt a argument. This is real life and constantly pregnant animals for food isn't sustainable. I'm leaving and not replying. God. Pregnancy takes time just like in humans

>>13603187
Do you eat grass? How many plants do you know that are calorie dense, re-nitrate the ground, and transport themselves(grossly reducing their carbon footprint)

>>13602812
>fuck ton of vegetarians in india and africa
Durr durr being vegan is expensive
Just don't buy meat substitutes

>>13602812
There’s a lot of exaggeration and vegan-hate that’s corrupting the real basic knowledge that would answer this thread, but I’ll just say this:

The cheapest and most well-maintainable diet for a complete poor fag would absolutely be to eat brown rice, beans, peanut butter, deenz, and some additional fruits/veggies that fit the budget. It would absolutely be sustainable (remember, civilizations have sustained themselves on god awful diets for hundreds of years with no ability to gauge dietary/nutritional needs/values) but would probably be awfully boring and quite depressing. Remember iodized salt so you don’t get goiters!

>>13603206
To feed the planet on animals require constant pregnancies and waiting for them to finish the pregnancy. God. I dont want to discuss it and it's so obvious. People on ck refuse to use their brains

Add nuts and seeds >>13603059
>>13603162
Speaking of supplements, it's best to take B12, D2, and Iodine. I only supp for D, as I get my B12 from fortified milk, nutritional yeast, and iodine from ionized salt or dulse flakes

>>13602812
Veganism isn't even feasible for rich people.

>>13603212
>thinking vegetarian = vegan

hurr durr found the low IQ
indians consume a shit ton of milk and butter (ghee) and that covers a lot of the deficiencies of a pure vegan diet

>>13603221
>>13603201
>>13603187
>I'm not going to reply to this
>I'm leaving and not replying
>God. I dont want to discuss it and it's so obvious
What a very strange series of posts anon

>>13602812
No. Not at all. Poor people on vegan diets will die without the ability to buy expensive high-protein vegan meat substitutes, vitamins, and access to healthcare. You can eat vegetarian very cheaply, but not vegan. It is an inherently classist diet for disgusting, hypocritical wealthy people, who are actively destroying the world with their conspicuous consumption. Honestly, if all the wealthy, preachy vegans died tomorrow the world would be a better place.

ITT: rice and beans are a luxury only the 1% can afford

>>13603561
you cant live off of just rice and beans

>>13603574
bananas
apples
lentils
pasta
etc etc

If I had to guess, most people who go vegan don't replace the 4 hamburgers they had per week with 4 expensive meat substitute hamburgers.

>>13603489
extremely based

>>13602812
>Can people living in poverty be vegan?

HA HA HA HA HA HA ...... no.

Poverty eats what is DONATED to them, by local churches and their local community. They don't get to pick out what they get or what type of desert are given to them. They get the stuff that supermarkets have a hard time selling and is about to expire.

>>13603059
>yes, just eat whole food, buy in bulk
>buy in bulk

>Buy
>Poverty
Pick one.

>>13603604
I mean, when you consider that Muslims will eat donated pork when going through hard times and poverty, it's actually kind of weird that vegans would still try to stick it out.

Considering the cheapest available foods are vegan, yeah sure. Veganism has never been an inherently expensive diet, it's just more effort. Assuming it's not "lol homeless, no job, in debt and almost no social benefits" type of poverty.

>>13602812
Only Americans would think that lower middle class people are poor.

>>13603325
Also, the “vegans” in Africa are mostly Christians who only maintain a vegan diet for specific parts of the observant calendar year.

>>13602812
I tried and ate lots of legumes which ruined my guts. We're talking 100 to 200 grams per day, and sometimes I was impatient and they weren't fully cooked.

>>13603101
>mostly vegan
That's vegetarian.

>>13603222
You're not vegan, and the methods of fortification to nuts, seeds, yeast, and etc wouldn't be vegan as they're all from animal sources. Also avoid iron fortificated foods, because the use animal blood as a source for iron.

>>13604309
He probably means like milk/cheese/cream only a few times a week and not to every other meal like vegetarian could imply. But yeah, kinda stupid to make that specification.

>>13604226
Was fine for me but it got boring quickly.

>>13604321
>Was fine for me
It could also be the big amounts of spices I burned every time.

>>13603212
>>13602812
The only Indian demographic that does something similar to veganism is also the wealthiest one. Coincidence?

Anyone can be vegan. The human body can survive through severe malnourishment for a long time. You will suffer and your children will suffer, but your heart will still beat.

>>13603083
bananas are the fruit of colonialism and eating one in the temperate zone is a crime against humanity

>>13604633
>NOOOOOOO STOP IMPORTING GOODS NOOOOO STOP STIMULATING MY SHITHOLE ECONOMY WITH YOUR SUPERIOR CURRENCY

>>13603083
>class traitor
Fuck off. Go class hate yourself cunt

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/08/06/who-are-americas-vegans-and-vegetarians-infographic/

I've never bought meat, but people tell me it's one of their most expensive grocery items.

>>13603162
Costs about $5/year for the amount recommended for working age people. ALL seniors should be supplementing much more.

>>13604633
I'd eat more domestic stuff like sweet potatoes and apples if there were enough demand and people weren't keeping them expensive and excessively sweet with their cosmetic pickiness and toddler palates. Red Delicious is my preferred apple and many supermarkets don't stock it at all.

I mostly get discounted bananas and plantains that would be discarded if I didn't buy them.

>>13602812
>Do you think that a vegan diet is feasible for the poor,
have you ever heard of india?

>>13604766
lots of Indians are vegetarian, not vegan. they put ghee on literally everything

>>13602812
Depends on how you define poor.
Poor in health? Obviously.
Poor in morals and principles? Marxist usually are.
Poor in friends? The only people around them not put off by their ideology are other vegans, so check.

>>13604726
This is misleading because vegans are most concentrated in students leeching money off their parents.

>>13604766
>>13604592

>>13604766
It's more common for them to be lacto-vegetarian, most of their dairy being ghee which provides approximately zero nutrients per calorie. I dated a guy from there who had recently turned vegan and was living on only a $1600/month grad student stipend. I actually lived on half that when I was a student. Whole food vegan is as cheap as it gets.

>>13604771
Looks like vegans are stupider than ever, holy shit

>>13603489
They will not die, but they usually suffer some sort of chronic deficiency which causes health problems.
Shitloads of peasants in really poor parts of Medieval Europe were basically vegan. In fact, in really poor parts like the ass-end of Eastern Europe peasants ate an almost vegan diet (cereal gruel and vegetables, either grown or wild, with maybe some pork fat) all the way into the 19th century, because they sold all the higher value meat/dairy products. However all the reports from royal investigators mention that children are weak and sickly, and the people generally tend to suffer various ailments (both skeletal and visceral) brought about by incomplete diet.

>>13604137
>The cheapest foods are vegan
They really get you in the supplement department though.

>>13604321
>He probably means like milk/cheese/cream only a few times a week
Yea this is what disqualies a diet from being vegan.

>>13602812
Vegetarian, easily, pure vegan? No.

>>13605206
Supplements are actually very cheap if you buy specific ones and not just supermarket shit. The B12 thing I bought 2 years ago still has like a third left and was about 20 bucks.
The whole supplements thing is pretty stupid anyway considering the normal person has more deficiencies than a vegan or vegetarian on average. You need to be pretty autistic to constantly hit all nutrition goals without supplementation.

>>13604633
I shove them up my ass while I jerk off

>>13602812
No but being a vegetarian is

>>13604635
>stimulating a foreign corporations pockets
Ftfy

>>13602812
>Do you think that a vegan diet is feasible for the poor, or is it just a lifestyle choice that the privileged middle upper classes try to force on those below them?

>We eat less meat because meat is often expensive and we're poor
sure.

>Despite being resource-constrained, we're deliberately eschewing a a whole category of cheap foodstuffs to satisfy the purity instincts of richer people
absolutely the fuck not

>>13603668
>I mean, when you consider that Muslims will eat donated pork when going through hard times and poverty, it's actually kind of weird that vegans would still try to stick it out.

Culturally Muslim people will drink and fornicate and maybe feel bad about it but they're just humans like the rest of us, it's just that the culture around them tells them to be like this. They'll eat pork if it's pork-or-starve, and even dedicated Muslims will do this because it's explicitly permitted to do so if the alternative is death.

But nobody is "Culturally Vegan." Every vegan is a "Dedicated Vegan." And their faith doesn't say "But it's OK if the alternative is death." I suspect if you go to a place where people are culturally vegetarian (Jains?) you'll find people who are willing to break vegetarianism in starvation situations, much like Muslims are willing to deal with haram food when the alternative is starvation.

>>13605197
>Shitloads of peasants in really poor parts of Medieval Europe were basically vegan

They'd eat dairy and eggs when available.

>>13605239
Not in third world countries and not vegan supplements. You know what is cheap though? Bivalves

>be broke
>live on dry beans and eggs for less than 5$ a week
I really want some beef

>>13602812
>NOOOOOO POOR PEOPLE CAN'T BE VEGAN
>DONT YOU KNOW THAT MCDONALDS IS THE CHEAPEST AND MOST CONVENIENT WAY TO BE FULL AND GET CALORIES????

this thread is full of a bunch of fucking idiots that don't understand that a can of beans costs 60 cents, dry rice is 60 cents a pound, peanut butter is like 1.50 a pound, and 2 months worth of vitamins is like 3 dollars.

>but what about all the suuuuper expensive meat replacements and protein deficiencies??
buying meat replacement and protein supplements is for retards who can't figure out that legumes have plenty of protein and that meat replacements aren't a staple item of a vegan diet

>>13603221
>like literally CAN'T EVEN right now!
and vegans wonder why the world treats them like the smug retards that they are.

>>13605279
Fair enough. People in third world countries will usually just eat what's available though, they don't really have that many options.

>bivalves
Depends on the region.

>>13605279
No they aren't

>>13602865
Are you so insecure that you have to purposefully waste resources to feel important?

Capping population is easier to do the more efficiently you can provide for those remaining. A lot of things you take for granted now, heavy meat consumption included, are only feasible because of cheap third world labor and the economies of scale provided by large cities. If you want to do away with those things, meat is going to get more expensive.

>>13605303
I just got online after sleeping
>the world treats you

Reported for obvious trolling, you exaggerated on purpose and what I said was a fact and not something I made up for trolling while you intentionally overreacted and insulted me

>>13603059
>quinoa
Amaranth is basically the same thing except smaller seeds and half the price. Still too expensive though.
>>13603222
>D2
Why not D3? Are you a mushroom?

>>13602812
The amount of money i spend on food has dropped by half after becoming vegan. Non-vegans dont know anything about cost of living as a vegan. It's very cheap. To begin with, cattle eats grains and the grain they eat doesn't efficiently turn into protein. When you skip this middle man you can save money since you dont have to spend more. However, the government keeps the price of meat low by using your tax money, so meat is artificially kept cheap

>>13605197
> eating watery porridge made from the same 1 ingredient recipe everyday is the same thing poor vegans can afford

>>13605397
>hehe i just woke up from a nap because i'm severely deprived of iron to report your comment. the mods are going to ban you now and it's your own fault for making a mean comment on 4chan. hehe better luck next time, trolls.

>>13603187
>Constantly pregnant animals for food isn't going to work
>has worked for thousands of years
Hmmm

>>13602812
Maybe it's feasible in first world countries, but not in a third world country like the one I live in. The average income over here is barely enough to eat rice, corn, beans, lentils and pork like everyone else does. I also get to eat a lot (and I mean a LOT) of fish because I live in a shitty beach town. Vegetables and fruit other than tomato, onion and chili peppers are too expensive to eat often too. Supplements are expensive as fuck as well because they are all imported so they cost well over 3 or 4 times what they would cost in the USA and to get them I'd have to travel to the city. Not to mention that no one ever goes to see a doctor unless they know they're actually really sick, again, because of cost.
Of course, the higher class people on the big cities can be vegan even in my country, but I live in a shitty coast town where I'm lucky one internet provider decided to extend their service to.
So, for actual poor people (not the fake poor people in the USA) it's really not possible.

>>>13604320
>all from animal sources
B12 is from bacterial fermentation.
D3 is from lanolin (sheep hair grease).
D2 (inferior version) is from fungi.
Iodine is a mineral.
>the use animal blood as a source for iron
Only some expensive easily absorbed iron supplements. Regular iron supplements are just inorganic salts, produced by reacting metallic iron with acids.

Yes poor vegans can live off potatoes just fine

>>13602812
Same as victimhood mentality just for spergs to brag about to feel special.. I'm trans! I'm vegan!

>>13603152
Retard for hundreds of millions of years there have been more herds than current cattle. Triceritops was the cows of dino age.

>>13605531
Okay that’s just wrong, cattle biomass is higher now than in any point in human history.

>>13605239
>considering the normal person has more deficiencies than a vegan or vegetarian on average

then why long term vegetarian/vegans look like they are going to die before 35 ?

>>13602812
I worked with a dude once that said he went vegetarian because he was coked out and buying beans was cheaper than buying meat.

>>13602812
Vegan is actually the best diet for poorfags, but only if you actually eat vegetables, and not garbage processed vegan foods. Learn to cook, and put some effort into developing a sufficient nutrition profile with what you can afford, and it's easy.

>>13607687

Nope.

Prove otherwise, because that is the most ignorant comment I have ever read.

>>13607026
Because you're an idiot who cares about retarded shitposts. Pretty much every meta analysis found that it's better to be vegetarian/vegan (compared to the average population).

>>13603187
You can’t argue with an eating disorder you have to provide nutrition first before the subject can reason

>>13602812
Veganism is a mental illness.
The medical term is orthorexia nervosa.

>>13603659
This stupid meme lmao I bet you also think dollar store food is cheap

>>13604320
No one fortifies nuts or seeds unless you mean fortified flour that is supposed to make up for deficiencies in things like folate in the average population, which are in heavy abundance in plant foods like beans so it's literally supplements for anti-plant retards who only eat bread and meat

>>13607700
All the cheapest foods in the store are from plants.
Source: not being fucking retarded sorry I can't help you

they can just eat the grass. all vegans are cows anyways

>>13602814
And you know, India

>>13603093
>workers meekly call out for revolution while the rich actively work to phase out the worker
Those guys in the 1800s got so much wrong.

>>13609115
India is vegeterian. Also surprised that 4chan of all places is using street shitters as some bastion to imitate.

>>13609115
Indians use dairy in literally everything

>>13607700
My comment is only ignorant to retarded lazy people, unwilling to put effort into anything. I'm not spoon feeding you anything, simpleton.

>>13607687
How would a poorfag acquire all the vegetables that would provide them all the calories, and nutrition that they would need to stay healthy? Supplements aren't cheap, and poor people don't have access to a variety of food products, or be able to travel multiple locations.

>>13610430
You, and your comments are ignorant.

>>13602812
>Do you think that a vegan diet is feasible for the poor

Try asking the hundreds of millions of Indians who practice it daily and in India where the practice has been carried out for thousands of years.

>>13610552
>>13610559
Supplements are pretty cheap unless you're talking about snake oil types and the only supplement that we're aware of (before you say hah you support a diet that you don't trust - I'm not vegan) that's a major concern if you're not eating meat is b12. Some of the cheapest sources of calories and nutrition are things like beans, grains, potatoes, which all happen to be from plants.

>>13602812
You would have a very boring diet, veganism is boring enough as it is with all those expensive nuts and shit

>>13607758
i have very few IRL anecdotes/examples, but the few were rather bad overall, it isnt common where i live

>>13610644
All the supplements that you need if you're going to attempt to live as a vegan gets expensive. I do not see how the lifestyle of true veganism is in any way sustainable for poor people (or for even rich people).

>>13610690
>all the supplements you're going to need

The only one we're for sure you need is b12 any other you decide to take would be stabbing in the dark at an issue you might not even have and probably a waste of money.

>>13610608
You are a lying piece of shit. Most Indians are vegetarian not vegan you mongoloid.

>>13602812
I've lived in poverty. Not the US definition of poverty, but actual poverty to wear I wiped my ass with my hand then rinsed it off in a bucket with soap because I couldn't afford toilet paper, yet alone a sink.

I will tell you that my dietary politics and nutritional balance were the absolute last thing I was concerned about. Only sheltered american liberals ask these retarded questions. People who exist on less than 800 calories a day don't even care if the food is clean, as long as it seems safe.

>>13610719
not even that real

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43581122

>>13609115
India is vegetarian out of necessity. It is almost impossible to keep meat from spoiling if your country is a shithole without power that gets confused with a literal trash dump

>>13602812
>"is turning down food because feels something poor people should do?"

>>13602812
As a poor vegan it's actually very easy to be poor and a vegan, but I'm definitely also starving lmao

>>13610863
huh.
Well that figures. Only small numbers of Indians are even vegetarian, amongst vegetarian couples turns out only the female is vegetarian. Looks like the only thing that's mostly taboo is beef. Derp. Western veganism is so bizarre.

>>13611056
Ugh that blows, good luck improving your situation.

>>13611056
Eat some eggs!

>>13610699
>The only one we're for sure you need is b12 any other you decide to take would be stabbing in the dark
Other supplements are needed, so a vegan can have healthy supply of fats, calcium, vitamin d, and etc.

>>13610559
You are a know nothing faggot.

>>13611260
Cruciferous vegetables' calcium is as bioavailable as milk and they have a large amount (1 bok choy [little over lb] = 80% DV). Calcium is in a lot of other stuff too. Vitamin D is made by sun exposure and the only appreciable supply from the diet is from fish and milk with supplements added. The only fat that's of concern is DHA and EPA (only found in appreciable amounts in fish) which the body can make from ALA which is in a lot of plant foods

>>13611336
So you're saying that you have to eat over a pound of bok choy, run around naked in the sun, take supplements, eat fish, drink milk... wait this stopped being vegan.

>>13602814
based

>>13603183
>Cows have the ability to eat nothing but grass and produce high nutrient dense meat.
i agree, but take into account in america they are fed grains in massive quantities

Poorfags can sustain themselves by raising only vegan rabbits, and eating only those rabbits.

>>13611402
Cows in America are more often than not fed just grass.

>>13611395
No retard obviously other things have calcium as well. Calcium is not a concern if you're eating plants. Also you say that like it's hard to do, I could eat lbs of bok choy. Never said anything about running naked in the sun.
> take supplements
I actually highlighted that you're already taking them if you drink milk and never said you had to eat fish, only if you refuse to eat plant foods high in ALA I guess.

> be regular retard who doesn't realize plants have nutrients
> have to get all your nutrients in fortified white flour because too stupid to eat a vegetable

>>13611395
>bok choy
>Brassica rapa subsp. chinensis
>veganon rapes chinks
>veganon is infected with coronavirus
>thread is infected now as well

*Leaves thread in disgust*

>>13611411
Objectively wrong.

>>13611490
>I could eat lbs of bok choy
You have to eat more than a pound each day, and still have room for other vegetables.
>Never said anything about running naked in the sun.
Is it an autism?
>I actually highlighted that you're already taking them if you drink milk
What does drinking milk have anything to do with having to take supplements, and why would one naturally have to take supplements when drinking milk?
>>13611336
>Vitamin D is made by sun exposure and the only appreciable supply from the diet is from fish and milk with supplements added.
It just seems like you're having problems expressing yourself, and you end up lashing out while blaming others.
> be regular retard who doesn't realize plants have nutrients
Yes just eat 10+ pounds of these vegetables a day, and you'll still need to take b12, and fat supplements to survive.
> have to get all your nutrients in fortified white flour because too stupid to eat a vegetable
I could just get my nutrients from liver, and not have to touch vegetables, but I'm actually omnivorous, and eat vegetables myself. Btw ost fortified foods are disqualified by veganism, because they are usually fortified with animal sources.
Also you're drifting too far away from thread topic which is questining if veganism is a lifestyle that poor people can adopt to financially.
Everything you posted seems to make it seem impossible for poor (and rich people) to properly adapt.
Now go cry somewhere faggot.

>>13609115
The whole point cows are "sacred" in india is because they valued the labor and milk of the cow to the point where it became frowned upon to kill them

>>13611638
>comes up with ridiculous strawman
> actually starts believing it's what I said quoting it even

Retard
I would be 100% vegan if I was only concerned about cost because I can get far over RDA of every vitamin for everything + b12 pill for about $3 a day (less than what the average person who is deficient in many things spends) I just think meat is good tasting and don't trust supplements.

>>13613098
That's because your plant-based diet has turned you into a scrawny midget that only needs 25% of the average caloric intake faggot.

>>13613351
2-3k calories a day and moderate-fit build
try again retard