/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>13475999
meme diet for idiots

>>13475999
Literally a prank to get retards to kill themselves

>vice
Gonna have to see the supporting studies these experts cite, but I am willing to change my opinion depending on their evidence.

>>13475999
great for losing weight, not healthy long term

>>13475999
Ok tripps... unlike a lot of fad diets there is science to back it up. The problem is its easy to do wrong and if done by idots that think they can have bacon with everything they fuck up their cholesterol and health in the long run. One big mistake is eating too much protein as well as fat, which can make your body eat at muscles. Its basically like Atkins or juice diet. It makes more sense as a short term jump start that is worked with a doctor/dietitian where you have a period where you switch back to regular healthy eating.

>>13476030
>great for losing weight, not healthy long term

why not? i've been on it for most of my life because of epilepsy. i'm in tip top shape. granted, i only eat once a day so it's keto + intermittent fasting, but still.

>>13475999
If I eat that sorta stuff all week my shits are like hard gluey cement

>>13476034
It's more that its easy to do wrong. Depending on what you do you can end up not eating much fruit cause "muh sugar". My brother who did it for a while at least ate black berries cause they are low in sugar.

>>13475999
If you follow it and mix it with proper portion control and sane weight loss information you'll lose weight at an alarming rate. That is to say, it works better than just regular portion control/ life style changes for losing weight fast, but you're better off skipping that and just doing the life style changes for an overall more healthy life.

>>13475999
they wont you to go vegan instead so you grow tits and stop caring about the destruction of the west

>>13476068
seek help

>>13476068
This is your brain on /pol/

Carbs can't satisfy me like fat and protein do, and they're addictive and have an obvious, uncomfortable "sugar rush" type of effect on my body. For the longest time, I thought my caffeine addiction was the cause of all my problems, but now I realize it was the carbs.

>>13476068
Shadilay, brother!

I don't get it man. Everyone is rightfully willing to call out vegitarians and vegans when they spout off that humans were never meant to eat meat. But nobody tells ketofags that theyre equally dumb for thinking that our ancestors weren't going to town on vegitation and berries and making bread out of any crappy grain they could cultivate.

At least vegans arent literally getting scurvy. Ketofags aren't accidentally starving their kids though so eh.

>>13476131
Keto isn't designed to be a traditional diet, anon. It's designed to help deal with seizures and also shed weight super fast.

>>13475999
Good for short-term accelerated fat loss, not a longterm maintenance diet. Mix with fasting for optimal results. Also
>(((Vice)))
>(((Experts)))

>>13476101
>Carbs can't satisfy me like fat and protein do, and they're addictive and have an obvious, uncomfortable "sugar rush" type of effect on my body.
There is a huge difference between eating fruit and whole grains compared to refined sugar and white flour though. Unrefined carbs don't cause that intense blood sugar spike and basically every single study I've looked at shows there are nothing but health benefits from having fruit and whole grains/lentils/etc. in your diet.

>>13476082
>>13476094
>>13476103

>>13476147
Also I actually end up craving carbs if I eat nothing but protein/fat/veg, a balanced diet is the most satisfying to me.

>>13475999
If you're religious about it you'll be as annoying as vegans to eat out with.

what if i eat one big meal a day

>>13475999
>"""""""Experts""""""""
otherwise known as the same big sugar shills that have been pushing for the consumption of corn syrup and white ""bread"" for the last 3 decades
the majority of people that take on keto are clueless to what it actually is and fail miserably at it within the first week, but ketosis is a very real thing and a very real means of living
anyone that insists you NEED what keto excludes is a corporate bot, pure and simple

>>13476168
>carbs are only corn syrup and white bread

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1685581
>Traditional diet and food preferences of Australian aboriginal hunter-gatherers.
>Available data suggest that they were physically fit and lean, and consumed a varied diet in which animal foods were a major component. Despite this, the diet was not high in fat
>A wide variety of uncultivated plant foods was eaten in the traditional diet: roots, starchy tubers, seeds, fruits and nuts. The plant foods were generally high in fibre and contained carbohydrates

They want a world full of diabetic vegans they can profit off of, not healthy meat eaters.

>>13475999
>experts

weasel word

>>13476168
>[beep boop] [no independent thought] [stay inside my keto bubble]

>>13476168
M-m-maybe they used to live in an area with high natural fluoride in the water?

>>13476188
Nothing screams health like heart disease, cancer, and your breath smelling like your asshole

>>13476131
I do keto and still eat grains or fruits, just low carb preparations.

just started keto again today, feels good man, lost 20lb in a month last time and kept it off, gonna shoot for 3 months this time and 50lb lost.

>>13475999
I was on keto for a year and half, lost 50 lbs but it was a year and half of feeling like shit, I am back to a regular diet but I cut back on shit like sugary drinks, highly refined carbs like white bread and get some regular exercise ( eg: 30 minutes of light jogging in the morning) I am now feeling better than ever and keeping the weight off.

>>13476195
>keto bad. you npc not me
you're one to talk about no independent thought aren't you?

>>13476212
I didnt even say keto was bad. You're not only incapable of processing your own standards but reality itself which is why you're frothing at the thought of something I didnt even say and can't refute what I posted.

>>13476212
the poster they're responding to started with that, but at least they actually posted some proof that the keto diet might have some flaws if some of the healthiest people have a high carb diet

>>13475999
Skip the protein and just fast continuously for a few weeks or go intermittent fasting.

>>13476227
and i only declared that you don't necessarily need them
not only sweet potato is far more than JUST carbs, but carbs are also found in keto friendly foods, just not in overwhelming amounts
the aggressive assertion that I'm an NPC right off the bat is also far more than just "posting some proof"
you can fuck right off along with him

>>13476247
>you're a corporate bot
>you're an npc
>wow that's so offensive how could you call me an npc i'll just ignore your proof about carbs not being evil

>>13476005
>the redpill is agreeing with what media tells you
hmmmmmm

>>13476264
The media isn't telling us that. They're relaying what the research says.

>>13476005
>>13476020
Post victim stories

>>13476203
Can't ever be sure with heart disease or cancer but your teeth simply need flossed and brushed to be not stinky.

Keto would put a lot of people out of business if more adopted it. It was "supposed" to be beef we stopped eating, not potato and wheat.

>>13475999
That's because people think keto = it's okay to eat 4 pounds of bacon and 12 eggs for breakfast. Going low carb works but some people doing keto are just using it as an excuse for their disgusting eating habits.

>>13476307
Per calorie beef employs a lot more people and generates a lot more profit.

>>13476131
>But nobody tells ketofags that theyre equally dumb for thinking that our ancestors weren't going to town on vegitation and berries
That's because you're supposed to eat green, leafy vegetables on keto. The goal is not to have 0 carbs, the goal is to have 20-50g of carbs per day depending on activity level, not counting indigestible fiber, so green leafy vegetables are great for keto because they're incredibly low in non-fiber carbs and have tons of vitamins and minerals. Low-carb berries/fruits like blueberries and blackberries and avocados are also fine in limited amounts. Keto is just IIFYM but the carb macro is set to 20-50g. It's not that meme shit like drinking olive oil and eating pounds of bacon for every meal. You should actually look into what keto is before going around criticizing it and comparing it to veganism.

>>13475999
It triggers vegans and /fit/ so it's pretty great.

can someone seriously explain to me how keto is harmful? i understand it might not work for weight loss but how am i harming myself if i eat meat + veggies + fish + mushrooms + eggs + oil + some nuts
what am i missing on? is it really SO important that eat more carbs than what i get in veggies? yes i realize i'm supposed to avoid starchy veggies but as far as i know there's small amounts of carbs in veggies, mushrooms, eggs and nuts.

>>13475999
https://youtu.be/OvQ5F6GCfgI

Keto is ok, but don't go full retard and eat bacon with every meal, use your brain. Most people recommend a Mediterranean brand of keto.

>>13476402
Keto is harmful because dummies go full dummy and immediately start eating pounds of bacon every week. When I did it for weight loss I took my time and invested in some good recipes, MCT oil+black coffee, coconut oil in foods, low carb veggies, fish, nuts, cheese. It's a great feeling but memers gonna meme.

>>13476411
right on. ate some pork and sauerkraut today and then a bowl of yoghurt. i really think keto gets a bad rap because so many of the people who adhere to it are retarded prepfags who eat nothing but boiled chicken breast and broccoli.
i swear to god i knew a prepfag who could eat the same three dishes for months. he stopped in the end because he was literally passing out in the subway and having periods of time he couldn't remember. he wasn't a ketofag, rather a gymfag and prepfag, but all he'd eat was roast chicken, boiled broccoli and a couple of types of pasta. for months he did this and he didn't seem to mind it at all.

>>13476402
>can someone seriously explain to me how keto is harmful?
I'd be more interested on why it's benefitial to a healthy person.

>>13476439
You're not supposed to be so carb'd up

>>13475999
i literally cannot do keto because i need crunchy things to live but i noticed via trial and error that carby snacks, pizza, and bread have negative satiety so i placed limitations on them and now i weigh less

>>13476445
>need crunchy things to live
Pickle/ferment your own veggies, eat nuts or raw veggies. What do you mean by crunch exactly?

>>13476403
Isn't this cruel to the cats? Damn, they're fucked for life... as long as they're happy, but still. Worried about my own cat, now.

>>13476441
Why? Can you prove that keto-doers are healthier than people who don't follow such diet?

>>13476335
This. Most of the criticism of keto are not of the science itself but of popular misconceptions surrounding it. Keto is about switching your body's primary fuel source from sugars to fats. Strictly that. No BS about avoiding carbs completely or consuming limitless amount of meat. With proper portion control keto can be entirely fine. If you are one that experiences many health problems, switching to a limited diet, such as keto, is a good base to start from. From there you remain on said diet or fine tune it to your needs.

>>13476446
nuts fall under the umbrella of negative satiety for me
i will eat several tins if allowed to

>>13476452
Yes. Now can you prove carb heavy diets are better for you?

>>13476445
>i need crunchy things to live

Sauerkraut is crunchy if you make it yourself. Carrots too.

>>13476456
>>13476195

>>13476465
False. Okinawans, who happen to have a high-carb diet, are healthy. Correlation =/= causation.

>>13476479
I guess. Seems like there are plenty of things pointing to use benefiting from carbs though. Our brains like to use carbs as fuel and cooking helped with that as much as it did with meat consumption. People never really had an issue with carbs until modern times when cheap processed carbs are everywhere and most people are overeating. But it seems odd to blame carbs altogether and completely avoid them. We even have enzymes in our saliva to help break down starchy food as we chew. And i haven't really seen any studies saying that apples and lentils are bad for you, just conjecture from people already on the keto diet, while a ton of studies I've looked at show that they help with maintaining normal weights, staving off heart disease, obesity, etc.

The problem is that an overwhelming majority of the people that eat a Ketogenic diet haven't adopted a lifestyle that matches the nutritional profile. Going to a yoga class for one hour or doing crunches and lat pull downs at the gym for 45 minutes while remaining a sedentary, screen-addicted faggot the rest of your waking hours isn't going to cut it.

>>13476479
Your retarded conjecture isn't evidence of keto being healthy either

>>13476522
Not my implication. Your unfounded beef is with the other poster. Retard.

>>13476497
I agree

>>13476527
>i-it wasnt me!!!
Yikes

>>13476517
the diet is for lazy people who don't need carbs

>>13475999
Ketardism is a cult more than a diet, so it’s unlikely to die any time soon

>>13476566
Yikes indeed

>>13476138
A lot of people equate keto and paleo

>>13476576
You switched to your phone. Good job, champ.

>>13476168
Literally no experts have been pushing for white bread and corn syrup. I’d like to see you provide a single example

>>13476576
>reporting every post that made you butthurt, one of which is "I agree"
Just how desperate are you?

like with no fap, what you should really do is just eat less carbs

>>13476005
This

>>13476580
Please. I am at work, I am not going to post from a company computer.

>>13476588
I was ignoring posts in order to fit all relevant posts in one screenshot.

>>13476497
>And i haven't really seen any studies saying that apples and lentils are bad for you

Lentils and apples are lower carb than other choices. I like posole.

>>13476445
eat pork rinds or cracklins they're very crunchy. you could also have fried cheese crisps they're nice and zero carb.

>>13475999
>vice

>>13476497
Nobody doing keto correctly is saying or doing anything you mentioned.

actual keto diet

because it's my first day back it's a little bit off, i would almost always include a salad.

>>13475999
These are the same retards that shill for veganism and are still falling for the FAT BAD! meme from 90s. Why would anyone ever take what they say seriously?

>>13476082
>>13476094

Please go dilate dumb redditors.

keto has seriously helped me lose weight, 45lbs in 4 months
kicking out carbs = no cravings = less eating
I've only been eating when I'm hungry because of it
I also have a strict caloric deficit (1000 daily), but keto is what enables me to do it; last time I dieted, I did 1500 daily calories with carbs and it was much harder staying under
there's also the benefit of all your water weight melting off during the initial phase, which is super motivating

>>13477176
Everybody get a load of this cool guy

Is there a fallacy for this? e.g. the "centrist" or the "middle ground" fallacy between two supposed extremes.

>>13476094
Based

>>13478207
We just call them, first in line to the gallows

>>13475999
Sharpened mental aptitude, more focused attention span, higher stamina, higher resistance to cancer. Yeah, I can see why the "experts" want to shut this thing down.

>>13478207
There is no such thing as a middle ground because there is nothing to be in the middle of. The idea that everything falls on a linear spectrum has been sold to you by a political system that seeks to control your capacity for independent thought.

vice hates it so its good for you

>>13476402
The best evidence for saturated fat increasing CVD risk is intervention studies with non human primates. The evidence is a little thin for humans because you can't really do a decades long intervention study with a controlled diet on humans.

You could of course do a low saturated fat keto diet, which is indeed getting popular.

>>13478262
Legit

>>13478284
>Brain, heart, lungs are all encased in and surrounded by saturated fat and pockets of saturated fat
>Saturated fat is somehow bad for you

Makes me think

>>13478262
every time, without fail, when someone makes this point, they only ever do it out of narcissistic pedantic over the terminology and labels people use for convenience. they never actually say what their political positions on the topic being discussed are

>>13475999
>yeah, people like CICO because it sounds so dumb simple, but in reality it's just not how our body works.
>here, I have a diet consisting only of fat, so since my body can't digest it so quick and efficiently, it lowers my calorie intake and I lose weight.
>so as you can see, CICO is total bullshit, I've lost 10 pounds in 2 years, stay mad carb pigs

>>13478381
>pedantic
pedantry

>all these anti-keto fags
I never got it. Don't be a fucking retard and don't eat bacon and cheese with every fucking meal.

I literally eat shit like Chicken Cesaers once a day. The rest of the day is usually a couple of eggs, and then chicken and broccoli for dinner. Don't be a dumbass and just eat fat. A "healthy" keto meal, is quite literally a healthy "standard" diet meal, you just cut out the carbs.

>>13478375
Yeah its like our bodies dont work off the premise of a two year old's thought process. Do you eat shit too since its compacted in our bodies?

>>13478395
I don't think anyone is arguing that CICO doesn't work, I think it's more about the effect that keto has on you. The best part about keto and main draw for me is that it just totally quells cravings. I eat when I'm hungry, and I stop when I'm full. I do this in combination with a 1500 calorie diet. Basically, keto just makes it a million times easier to happily maintain the diet. For me, the caloric deficit is the main vehicle of weight loss, while keto is a supplement to it. Had huge success and it would have been a lot harder without keto.

>>13476131
>making bread out of any crappy grain they could cultivate.
The Ag Revolution is only 10,000 years old and that's only for people who had access to succulent grain areas
The fact is it's much less for most of our ancestorys, 6000-10000 years ago.
That is not enough time to evolve. We are still meat eaters that supplement with leaves, nuts, and berries.
We are not grain eaters. Grains are fine in very limited amounts and for treats.

>>13476195
That is someone's interpretation of Okinawa's diet.
There is precisely zero chance that Okinawans are eating 2% of their diet in meat and fish, an 5% total in meat, fish, dairy, and eggs.

Zero.

None. No chance.

>>13478464
tell me what you've been eating before it. you could have just eaten a high-fiber, high-protein, low-fat diet, having similarly filling meals, and gotten the same results without all the ketosis autism.

>>13478505
We get a lot older than what we evolved for and most of us are a lot more sedentary too.

We are operating beyond our design parameter. Fitness for having most offspring 100K years ago isn't all that relevant to living to an old age as an useless eater.

>tfw been on keto for two days
feels good lads

>>13475999
Here's the problem with keto, coming from a guy who has been doing keto for roughly 2 years while powerlifting and exercising regularly (at a healthy weight): people are told you can't exercise on keto because of "low energy" and 99.9% of people who say they are doing keto are not and are actually constantly cheating it.

Keto is bad news is you cheat on it. Either go 100% or don't go at all.

Can't trust any diet shit anyway because most studies rely on self reporting and people lie about everything constantly. Think about all the fat people out there who claim to not understand why they don't lose weight whole also claiming they eat only 1 salad a day or something.

>>13478759
Competetive athletes who do keto almost all "cheat" on it by carb loading.

Even then the performance advantages are statistically negligible, but a placebo is fine too.

>>13478774
That is cyclical keto dieting. Which is fine. But imo this thread is about the general population of people.claiming to do keto. They use it as an excuse to do nothing but sit around.

You can stay in keto and eat carbs if you time the carbs around a hard workout, you do the workouts and you don't overdo the carbs to begin with (25 to 50g max id say).

Again though, most people aren't doing this. I'd say people who are actually following keto for real and doing things in a planned and we'll thought out way are the outliers. Idk if I've ever spoken to anyone in person who has said they did keto who actually did it properly. Most people never do the ketone tests or blood tests and they end up doing a half ass Paleo diet, which also works, but it's terrible.if you're eating fuckloads of fat and fruit, which is what they do.

>>13477163
no true ketoman?

>>13478774
Also I claim no performance advantage from doing keto. I do it because when I eat carbs I'm fucking starving all the time and miserable. But I will say that I have seen zero performance loss from it. And that includes in lifting and running. I've run 10ks and half marathons on IF and keto still fasted from the night before and didn't have an issue. Just have to make sure you're taking electrolytes in somehow.

>>13475999
Agreed I try it and I became very aggressive and my libido and T went up like craycray which are big no no’s!

>>13476195
>82% rice&potatos
that sounds unbelievably boring. like something they serve in prisons

>>13478857
You will never pass.

>>13478255
Can you prove keto leads to any of what you just said with scientific studies?

>>13479005
Not him but diet changes lots of stuff depending on the person.
Keto only does one thing guaranteed and that is stop random epileptic seizures in epilepsy prone people.
The rest is person to person and when you cut all the shit that causes sugar spikes like bread, rice and cake it can help focus a lot even if your not doing keto.

>>13478509
Considering the fact that spam is literally everywhere in Okinawa and in everything makes the study untrue.

Unless Spam is key to a long life?

>>13476031
>eating too much protein
>which can make your body eat at muscles.
Huh?

Nothing all that wrong with it but plenty of people live to be 90+ eating whatever they please, as long as they aren't fat fucks.

>>13475999
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP EATING MEAT AND ANIMAL PRODUCTS MUH CLIMATE CHANGE MUH ENERGY COST
>WE GOTTA HAVE 10 BILLION PEOPLE ON EARTH SO YOU CAN ONLY EAT GRAIN AND GRASS AND BUGS

>>13479080
I'm not a vegan and still think ketocucks are dumb fatties.

>>13476052
thats not what keto is.... keto is basically just avoiding carbs, REFINED sugar and GMO foods

>>13475999
>Liberals across the world denounce diet that lets you eat meat instead of soy and bugs.
>Liberals denounce a diet that lets you lose weight and be healthy cause they have zero willpower to follow it because it makes you feel like shit for a few days and bad feelings are yucky

What do you think

>>13479235
Not being scared of carbs doesn't mean you don't eat meat. And the only thing that makes you lose weight is eating at a caloric deficit, you obese retard.

>>13479201
Learn about your own biology and how your body handles different types of energy intake.

>>13479235
Also
>be healthy
Proof that ketocucks are healthier?

>>13476052
I don't eat fruits.

>>13476068
Exactly.

>>13476052
You can eat berries on keto. You’re also suppose to eat lots of greens.

>>13476402
Because most people think keto means you’re going to stuff your face with bacon and ribeye steaks drenched in butter and cheese.

>>13478561
>We are operating beyond our design parameter.
Damn, this hit me like a truck. Holy shit, you're right.

>>13475999
I've seen tons of keto cooks on Youtube and every single one of them is still fat. Diet means shit if you don't eat less.

>>13476195

I'm convinced that potatoes grown in good soil are the key to good nutrition.

They aren't that calorie dense, they have every trace mineral you need to survive and most vitamins.

They're boring as fuck to eat by themselves but you can live on potatoes alone for an indeterminate amount of time (one guy did it for a year just to see if it was possible.) If you took a multivitamin you probably could live off of them for many years alone.

The biggest problem with them is where there grown because it soaks up just about everything in the soil.

>>13478561

>We are operating beyond our design parameter.

That's a meme, people who lives past childhood would typically live into their 60's. We're genetically set to live at least that long. 20 or so years extension is hardly "outside our perimeters."

ITT: vegans shitting on keto

>>13479444
>if I repeat it long enough it will be true

>>13478882
when i was a student they had a dish of rice and potatoes in the student cafeteria. i didn't get it every time i was there but i actually loved it. the potatoes had a perfect consistency, somewhere between boiled and baked and the dish had a little bit of tomato sauce and seasonings so it wasn't all bland

>>13476131
you're thinking of paleo

>>13479063
Source: his ass

>>13476068
This but unironically, unironically.

>>13478561
>an useless
retard

>>13476338
Source your fucking ass lmao where do you even come up with this shit per calorie fucking lmaooooo

>>13478454
Well our bodies naturally eject shit and don't keep it so obviously it's bad. Checkmate dumb faggot.

>>13479427
Blatantly not true. People have not regularly lived to 60 outside the last 120 maybe 150 years.

>>13476168
>gramps was an anthropologist
>retires, dies
>find a bunch of barely literate love letters written to him hidden in a beaded leather medicine pouch
>tfw I probably have some poor mutt half cousin cooking meth on a reservation somewhere
Maybe that's clouding my judgment here but I feel like the dude who researched this was boffing the "beautiful" abbos.

>>13476031
Protein makes muscle. Carbs is fat. Simple as that.

>>13479610
>carbs is fat
Based retard

>>13479610
soccer mom logic

>>13479619
I'm not that guy but I invite you to watch a lecture called Sugar: The Bitter Truth. It's available on YouTube and incredibly worth the watch. Yes not all carbs are bad but sugar in particular is much worse than actual fat at creating fat. Enjoy anon.

>>13479631
No it isn't. That's literally biologically impossible.

i guess so many people vehemently defend the keto diet because it helped them finally lose weight, even if the diet isn't perfect. it's understandable that they don't want to be fat again. but hopefully they realize they don't have to follow such an extreme diet that cuts out so many foods and try portion control at some point.

>>13479631
>just watch this YouTube video that confirms my delusions
Nah I'm good, I'm lean and I eat carbs every day. Nutritional science is retarded bullshit, every year there's a new study contradicting previous discoveries, it's simply not reliable
Keto tards(fat people) simply cling to specific studies disregarding every other as some kind of conspiracy or whatever.

>>13476335
This. Look no further than ja/ck/. Dude's been on keto for ages, looks like he's gained weight and seems to be growing worse since his last stroke. If he continues keto and doesn't switch to a real diet for non-idiots he's got at most a year left.

>>13479651
>nutritional science is bullshit because im too retarded to actually read the studies myself

Ftfy

>>13475999
>redpill
SHADILAY!

>>13479643
Did you watch the video and are you a medical doctor? Because he is.
>>13479651
>your opinion contradicts mine so I'm just going to ignore the evidence you provided and call you stupid despite the lecture has been around for 10 years and never been disproven
Well ok then lol

>>13479274
I know, but like I said if your not fully educated and have your meals planned out you're going to fuck up.

>>13479427
>people who lives past childhood would typically live into their 60's
If you're not a net benefit to the tribe, you're dead meat the first time food runs low. Senicide.

We always have enough surplus to keep useless eaters alive, hunter gatherers less so.

I'm a med student and I stress eat. Keto keeps me from gaining too much weight during exam weeks and more focus. Carbs + fat is immeadiate fat gain. Fat without carbs is really hard for your body to turn into stored fat because your insulin is low. So your body tries to make you use that energy instead of storing it. It does this through a few ways like just upping your BMR and making you warmer or you suddenly have a need to exercise (I had this when I first did keto correctly, the third week I was on strict keto I HAD to go for a run or else I couldn't sleep). Ofcourse you theoretically CAN gain no one denies CICO, but CICO is not the basis of weight gain/loss.

>>13478548
Largely the same stuff, but just no carbs? As in, instead of a sandwich I'd have a lettuce wrap. If I got a burger, I'd take off the bun. I miss beer, crackers for spread, and pasta, but that's about it. I've gotten great results and it's been easy, so "keto autism" was probably the perfect thing to do for me.

>>13479657
I've read many studies, a lot of them are in contradiction. Keep coping tho fatty

>>13479693
Imagine being so fat you watch lectures on sugar. Just lol.

>>13479838
You would have lost just as much weight with the same amount of caloric intake and exercise.

>>13479847
>ad hominem
Gets beaten by this smug, little bitch

>>13479849
Not necessarily. I acknowledge that all weight loss comes from caloric deficit, but keto actually causes your body to burn more calories. Not by that much, but still. It's something. Controlling your insulin levels comes with very real effects.

>>13479885
>keto actually causes your body to burn more calories.
Source?

>>13479891
The bottom study in pic related?

>>13479891
Dude, just trust me, it's true.

>>13475999
you lose fat quicker and don't get cravings as much but the food sucks and the people surrounding it suck so much more

>>13479914
>study on 235 non-hospitalized overweight patients
Forgive meme for being skeptic but I take fatties' accounts of their food intake with a grain of salt. If you had posted a meta-study or at least a study with hospitalized patients, I'd have found it more reliable.

>>13479948
Meant participants on the greentext, not patients

>>13479936
>dude DMT lmao

>>13476149
>/pol/dditor gets called out for being retarded
>HAHAHA SEEETHING LMAO LAMOA SEETHIGN SEEEETHEE XD DUMB LIBRULS!

>>13478375
>1 study on brain shrinkage in elderly
>/pol/dditor uses this as hard evidence

>>13478505
>, 6000-10000 years ago.
>That is not enough time to evolve.
It's plenty of time for people who use tools to speed up evolution. Genes have been identified showing some people have adapted to eating more starchy food and digesting the lactose from dairy animals.

>>13479960
that's the sort of people who get really into keto
they're like the anti-vegan

>>13476024
based reasonable retard

>>13476446

This nigger gets it. Quick pickled vegetables like red onions and radishes and shit are pretty damn good to snack on.

>>13475999
>and other outlets
>vice
Do not and have never been on this diet but fuck off OP.
>hurr it's ranked last among my ass also what it says and there

Fuhuuuuuuuck offf

>>13479948
>>13479951
That's a fair observation to make, but doesn't that just support keto in that the overperforming keto fatties are doing better than the fatties that still eat garbage food?

>>13476005
fpbp watching my friends spike their cholesterol and blood pressure while they believe they can eat anything they want on keto

>>13475999
Its good for people that are to fucking stupid to understand what a well balanced diet consists of and too fucking stupid to understand portion control

Basically good for ja/ck/ iq levels

>>13479891
Keto makes your body engage more strongly in gluconeogenesis, which is a less efficient method for creating glucose within the body. That alone should burn a few extra calories, along with some other slightly less efficient processes that occur during extended periods of ketosis. The amount of extra burned calories is greatly overstated, though, and mostly the result of people being shit at tracking calorie intake.

>>13476445
>i need crunchy things to live
Fry up some cheese in thin layers until it's crunchy like chips. Bake some pepperonis. That's how I get my fix when I'm occasionally craving chips.

>>13476335
This. My brother did keto this way and ended up getting pancreatitis that hospitalized him for weeks. Lost his job after too

>>13477188
did he have testicular cancer or something?

>>13481237
your brother is a fucking retard who wouldve found some other way to cripple himself and lose his job if he never became a ketard

>>13478207
Compliant sheep get so mad at people who refuse to fall in line. See >>13478250
It's funny to me. You're literally just mad that some people are smart and level-headed enough to know that the world isn't black and white.

Keto is great. Its just minimising carbs. It works.

>>13475999
>checked btw
It's boring as fuck but good for rapid weight loss. Not really sustainable for a very long term imo

>>13479843
No you haven't. If seeing two different results confuses you, you're already too dumb to understand why they would contradict to begin with

>>13479914
That's not what it says you idiot

>>13476020
No you have got that confused with Veganism.

>>13475999
it's good for keeping your blood sugar below 100 at all times

>>13476031
ur dumb

>>13478207
>>13481604

"Don't eat vegan or carnivore bro, those are extreme diets"
"Just eat the Standard American Diet"

>>13482358
you know you could just eat 30-50 carbs per meal, less carbs doesn't mean none

it's effective.

>>13476005
>>13476594
post body

some parts of your body functions needs carbs. this is what a doctor with 2 phds told me when i asked him about keto. im gonna take his advice over joe rogan and a bunch of body builders armed with broscience.

Thanks US News and World report for your opinion, truly pa name I can trust. I also trust the US government who told me animal fats and to eat more sugar.

>>13479838
>Largely the same stuff, but just no carbs?
what "same stuff" exactly?
> I miss beer
no wonder you had excess weight

>>13475999
My family has genetically low cholesterol and blood pressure despite eating more meat and fat than considered healthy. Dad did keto for a month and his cholesterol rose so damn much he needed medicine asap. There's just something super fucked up about keto that causes the body to stop working right. Makes sense since it's basically starving the brain of it's energy source.

>>13482525
>phds
worthless

>>13482585
In your little /pol/ddit world, sure. But in the real world where real things happen, it counts for stuff.

>>13479235
yeah, keto is the sole diet that allows you to eat meat, and surely anyone criticizing it is a liberal who wants to hide keto's magical powers

>>13482642
This is what 4chan has become. We pretended to be retarded for so long that it's reached a point where actual retards come here and promote their pseudo-political conspiracies where the libruls and jews are behind all criticism and becoming less retarded to avoid being criticized would be to deviate from their core values that they learned from the stormfags.

>>13476068
>they want you to go vegan and eat bugs because world food supplies will soon be extended to the max and they want to feed us all farmed crickets and algae
fixed for you

>>13482590
doctors aren't educated in nutrition. it's not their field. it doesn't matter how many phds he has if they're not in dietetics.

>>13479604
good one retard

>>13482662
>go vegan and eat bugs
Does not compute.

JUST COUNT CALORIES YOU FUCKS

Keto is a direct threat to corn subsidies and big agra and that is why the media is now against it

IT FUCKING KILLS YOUR KIDNEYS AND LIVER

>>13482686
A calorie deficit is needed for weight loss, but that's not the only component of sustainable dieting.

>>13482692
Not if you stay hydrated.

>>13481571
you're probably right

>>13482686
calories in calories out is bro science. its easy to digest and will usually work, but theres a lot more to consider. also you will never know your calorie intake/outtake accurately

>>13482690
Also pharma, medicine, diet plan scammers, insurance companies, etc. People getting fat and sick off sugar and refined flours is BIG business. This is the kernel of truth that they really don't like people to think about.

>>13482692
how? i guess if you go overboard on eating meat?

I've been eating 100g raw honey 4 days in a row and it feels like I haven't been kicked out of keto yet. Or I have but didn't notice it. Its weird.

>>13475999
stop being lazy and work out
eat a balanced diet
it's not hard holy shit
intermittent fasting is much healthier for your body and more effective than trying to maintain ketosis btw

>>13476005
fpbp

>>13483307
You sound like a working class chump. I bet you thought it would be a great "investment", how you would wake up to a warm, healthy breakfast to start off your long day. Maybe, you even had a couple thoughts about all the other nifty little uses you could find for the thing, how it would help you cook healthier meals in general, shed a couple pounds off the old gut, boost your confidence around work and with the ladies. Yeah, maybe that slow cooker would start your life cooking again, wouldn't it? I can see your strained hands holding the box and reading through it carefully at the store. A little bit pricey, but you're the type of guy who thinks everything is more than you can spend, aren't you. And look what happened to you. Look what the slow cooker did to you. Fucked you over, and made you clean it like a useless bitch. You don't even fucking like oatmeal. Piece of shit, you've been repeating those three words your whole life, haven't you. Yeah, how was work after that piece of shit fucked you over? I bet it was on your mind the whole day, you probably didn't say shit to nobody. Can't be telling people about your mistakes. How your little fix yourself plan, failed you. Don't want people to start thinking you're the failure. You're the piece of shit, all along. You don't want that do you? You don't want to be the piece of shit everybody secretly whispers about, do you? Was your father a piece of shit like you? I bet he never had a slow cooker. He had a woman, a house, a damn good job. I bet it's slow cooking you the fuck alive, isn't it. Comparing yourself to him. How one day when all the steam runs our of your life, you'll discover how you're nothing more than burnt shit to be scrapped off and thrown in the trash.

>>13483317
nice copypasta

>>13483307
I am on keto diet and I am eating a balanced diet.
What do you think the diet is nothing but fat covered bacon and steaks all day?
My average day is an avocado, some broccoli maybe fish or lean chicken, handful of strawberries p, cauliflower mashed with some protein shake with mct oil. Lost 70 pounds in 6 months.
It’s not rocket science just do some research for Christ’s sake

>>13476005
literally

>>13479965
holy seethe

Just do fuckin' Intermittent Fasting, it's foolproof. Hunger is not harmful.
t. lost 14 pounds in 7 days.

>>13475999
>((( experts )))
I eat a Raw Meat diet. Its most of the time keto.
My shit smells amazing, my myopia has recovered, my zits have disappeared, I am getting tons of gains at the gym, my arthritis is gone, my hands no longer shake, I am now resistent to cold, I dream way more, my energy is way up, it takes like no time to wake up, my sweat smells good, and my teeth feel stronger.

Fuck, it feels good to be alive.

>>13475999
It's fine but for fucks sake eat a vegetable with it and dont be retarded.

>>13476034
/ck/ is the most npc board on 4chan, where the majority still will push bran muffins into your fat diabetic face and say it will lower cholesterol (What your blood is made out of) as if this is a good thing, and get you to eat raw toxic plants who's only way to defend themselves is by pumping chemicals into until you become a schitzophrenic faggot that necks himself.

>>13476094

>>13483484
>eat this thing that defends itself with chemicals
>trust me anon, you have 4 stomaches and a massively long intestine

>>13483481
you may be baiting but eat your vegetables

>>13483476
>fast
>literally eat your muscles
arright

>>13476031
>and if done by idots that think they can have bacon with everything
Yes but the problem is that most of the people propagating the diet are those exact idiots. I've had plenty of people try to convince me to get on keto, out of them all, only 3 or 4 of them gave sound reasons and explained the possible health benefits, and all of the dozens of others were just like "But you can eat BACON LMAO!!!!"

>>13483501
left looks better

>>13483527
I'm not sure you should worry about your beachbody 2020 if you're desperate enough to eat keto.
Also if you exercise while fasting you only get negligible muscle loss

>>13479794
So you are too retarded for a mediterranean diet you wanna say?

>>13475999
legitimate diet that is ruined by retards who dont understand or care to understand the reasoning behind the diet itself, and in general, most diets are also shit for the same reason. There is no silver bullet for health, especially in this shithole of a food desert this timeline turned into. poison is being fed to the public constantly so doing a keto version of that poison is fucking pointless.

>>13483522
I'm not.
For all the "nutrition" in vegetables, they are mostly bounded to anti-nutrients, and there are over 15 essential nutrients you can not find in any plant.
Plants defend themselves with toxins; they do not want to be eaten.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxAqytqLMtY&feature=emb_title

>>13476147
True. Med diet kills the keto fag. They dont like to hear it but there is a clear and centuries proven number 1

>>13476147
whole grain has a higher glycemic index

>>13483565
Most of these "anti-nutrients" get eliminated with proper preparation like soaking beans and discarding the cooking water, sourdough etc you are just a lazy piece of shit desu. Med diet fucks your keto bullshit

>>13483565
>>13483575
Not to even mention that even those "anti-nutrients" have their use in the body but lazy piece of shit who dont get a varied diet should be scared of the few nutrients they get beeing blocked for sure

>>13483564
You will never pass.

>>13483565
>sv3rige
If you wanted a (you) that badly, you could have just asked.

>>13483565
You get plenty fish, meat and airy on the medi diet as well i forgot to add but keto retards think every other diet is vegan.
Rather they like to build a strawman

>>13483555
you're projecting a lot, keto is shit and fasting is interesting but has to be carefully done.
The thing is when you fast your metabolism eats muscle mass because it's delicious so yes, you need to exercise a little bit.

>>13483572
When you have a pea brain yes but it is proven the contained dietary fibre prevents that nice try tho ketard. Medi diet shits on your nigger shit diet

>>13476168
based

>>13483575
>soaking beans and discarding the cooking water
There goes your nutrients, along with your anti nutrients. All you have left is undigestable fiber, which leads to constipation.
I am not even a keto advocate, I just do a raw meat diet. Keto happens to be the main state I exist in, but its an afterthought. Breaking out of keto, having an occasional piece of fruit or dairy is totally fine for me.
I am more concerned about toxins, which mainly come from raw vegetables and seeds.

>>13483583
The med diet is for people in the Mediterranean, but it is still bad for your. It is just that the gene-set has been better acclimated to eating the toxins. I do find that there are a bunch of retarded keto people though, given that they have now invented all these synthetic foods that do not have sugar in them, to replicate their old shitty diets.
Coke Zero, flour substitutes, stevia, "FAT BOMBS", it is retarded in its own right.

>>13479444
checked
OP btfo. kys cucks

>>13483608
If you are european you are compatiable to the medi diet. But you are probably a nigger so eat your nigger diet and die of a nigger disease i will in the meantime eat the diet my close relatives did. Alos if you are eating a raw meat diet by that argzument are you inuit?(You retarded piece of shit probably dont eat much fish at all tho). Fucking strawman building piece of shit and not the nutrients dont leave the food along with anti nutrients thats not how it works there is something like water solubility fuck you nigger and your nigger brain i hate stupid low iq niggers like you nigger

>>13483608
>Coke Zero, flour substitutes, stevia, "FAT BOMBS", it is retarded in its own right
All of it is less harmful than their original counterparts, wtf is your point

>>13483613
>Are you Inuit
Your problem is that you assume that the diet you have now, is the diet that you evolved upon. Raw meat was a lot more common, and it was the natural state prior to cooking, and even then; just because a human could cook, did not mean they did cook meat. Germ Theory is a very new concept.
In reality, vegetables in Christendom were frowned upon, and seen as slave food or even punishment.
>Romans 14:1-4
>Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.
And vegetarianism evolved because christian men found that it made them infertile and able to resist the temptations and seductions of women.
Its a food for fostering infertility.

>https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eskimo-myth_b_5268420?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAE5l9dwpuCaghksbrKTKHUHZhmKE1wJi6fTvKmctV3HCnmNWBTdO9_TC7ANZAZKyQPAu5nD4FXgNPJkNA8Qz5aK-1nWxcXmzkk4vq5qpvWpVxPV--_eDv4-kye3ew2mcb-uaC7-c-9UkBVJ_7Mtu7dKblHgmXkXHpPVxhj6sA1fd
>In fact, data collected over many decades showed that coronary artery disease is common in Greenland's Inuit population. Heart disease is as frequent -- or even more so -- among native northern populations as it is for other populations. Strokes are particularly common, and life expectancy overall was found to be about a decade shorter among native populations.
Oh oooh but muh keto healthy. Haha retards select yourself away good riddance

>>13483628
>Meat was way more common
Sure thats why they are called hunter GATHERERS. Im not anti meat but go live on the inuit diet and have an inuit lifespan i will be happy when you piece of shit remove yourself and stroke out. Low iq trash shouldnt reproduce be it niggers or whites or any other race. Humans always ate plants just as they always ate meat you are the same annoying scum as the vegans/veggis
But i see according to your strawman im now promoting vegtarianism menawhile i advocated for medi a non vegitarian diet. Thats why i hate your kind. Too retarded to make simple connections but instead muh vegatarianism bad so i will only eat meat fuck off subhuman

>>13476283
Then explain how people who do none of these have healthy teeth and the only discernible difference is sugar and flour intake

>>13475999
I did keto for about a month and dropped 20 pounds, it also helped to curb my intense hunger.

>>13483632
What does this have to do with keto?

>>13483653
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12301463_Food_Starches_and_Dental_Caries
Notice how you have to write SUGAR and flour to defend your retarded subhuman diet? Its like writing Mineral and olive oil are bad for your health. But keto fries your brain so no wonder another strawman has to be build because keto got no legs to stand on. Btw those natives have been eating starches before this switch to the western diet how come they didnt suffer tooth decay all along? mhh. Fucking retard

>>13483637
> hunter GATHERERS.
This is a term invented by anthropologists. It proves nothing in terms of whether or not people would eat raw meat.

>an inuit lifespan
I am not an alchoholic.

>Humans always ate plants just as they always ate meat you are the same annoying scum as the vegans/veggis
Right, but just because one eats vegetables, does not mean vegetables are good for you. You still have to contend with the reasoning that plants protect themselves by producing toxins.

>But i see according to your strawman im now promoting vegtarianism menawhile i advocated for medi a non vegitarian diet.
Maybe you are talking to someone else because I am just arguing against the consumption of vegetables, particularly raw. You come across as emotionally unstable and paranoid, which can be connected to the consumption of raw veggies.
Prior to coming on this diet, I used to be a lot more neurotic, but since then I have calmed down. Consider trying it, and see what happens.

>Thats why i hate your kind. Too retarded to make simple connections but instead muh vegatarianism bad so i will only eat meat fuck off subhuman
Oof, hate is a strong word.
By the by, in Lebanon, people will eat raw cow liver. So maybe you should try adding that to your med diet?

>>13483653
There is a link between heart disease and the oral bacteria that thrive on sugar.

>>13483637
Do you have a YouTube channel ma'am?

>>13483671
>people dying on almost exclusively meat diet.
>what does this have to do with keto
Yeah retard what mhh its all a mystery

>>13483682
No. Nice strawman again im eating meat almost every day and plenty fish. Typical ketard again

>>13483687
>keto diets only include meat
Are you actually retarded?

>>13475999
I ate a lot of carbs and lost 100 lbs, but hey, if keto is what makes you lose weight, at least something makes you lose weight. I personally think it's silly, and a meme.

>>13483687
Huffpo is extremely left wing, and its citing a study, rather than relying on anecdotal evidence.

Frankly, given the variation in human bodies, the political nature of veganism, and the incentives for drug companies to push supplements, you can not trust most of the studies coming out of ((( science ))) these days.
People need to use reason first, and then try out the diets for themselves, and see what works, and gradually work on improving themselves. Veganism does not make sense rationally, neither does eating vegetables in general save for a situation where you are starving and have nothing else.

>>13483707
What is your race? I am German Anglo and can eat carbs all day without gaining weight. However it does give me headaches and makes me tired mid day.

>>13483679
>This is a term invented by anthropologists. It proves nothing in terms of whether or not people would eat raw meat.
>This is a term invented by people who study mankind's history for a living
Yeah I guess they just made this shit up and meant literally nothing by it.

>>13483679
Weird how these inuit "alcoholics" die of strokes and heart attacks and not livers. Must be some godlike liver genes they have if they can be alcoholics all their life long without having elevated liver disease rates mhhh.
All the monkeys are eating fruits and plants as well as meat. And if you are a nigger feet kissing christcuck
Genesis 1:29-30 ESV / 151 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so.
But yes early humans only ate meat haha sure fuck you brainlet piece of shit you are too dumb for this earth the earlier you get a stroke the better

>Eating only meat despite good evidence telling you otherwise
>Not mentally ill
sure thing nigger im just irritated but subhuman low iq monkey like you

I can add cod liver sure but you know what else these people ate? Plenty of plants to go with that liver you shitstain. Its not me having to restrict my diet its you i feel more free than you ever will

>>13483679
Alright can you explain this then:
Darwin says that we've evloved from apes.
Apes look strong as fuck, are healthy as fuck (or so I think if their environment isn't fucked up by humans I mean). They eat an exclusively vegan diet.
Ergo - we've come from APES who were able to evolve (get bigger brains etc) on a purely vegan diet. How can this be explained?
I am not baiting or trolling. This is something I've just thought about and have no knowledge on this topic other than my intuition.

>>13483721
>omits genesis chapter 9
1And God blessed Noah and his sons, and He said to them: "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.
2And your fear and your dread shall be upon all the beasts of the earth and upon all the fowl of the heaven; upon everything that creeps upon the ground and upon all the fish of the sea, [for] they have been given into your hand[s].
3Every moving thing that lives shall be yours to eat; like the green vegetation, I have given you everything.

>>13483721
Not to mention this guy will claim he gets all of his meat from grass fed massaged and well-taken care of animals but the reality is probably that he just goes to the supermarket and buys whatever tray of meat he can get his hands on and eats it (how the fuck can you even eat raw chicken without gagging I can't fathom).
The meat industry produces literal shit that ketofags gobble up.
It also pollutes the environment so yeah he can fuck off.

>>13483718
>https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/inuit-life-expectancy-trails-rest-of-canada-study-finds-1.1598886
Sure they are making up people dying at that age of these diseases. Makes sense you are Anglo your kind is subhuman and retarded genetic trash anyway. Be happy we didnt bomb london to ash as we should have Untermensch

>>13483718
>left wing
>((( science )))
>reason first
>I am German Anglo

Fucking YIKES lol

>>13483734
Its not me arguing gainst eating meat its you arguing against eating vegetables my position is good for every passage. But you are saying your nigger god wanted to poison you with vegetables so who is the retard? protip if you have a mirror in the house go take a look

>>13483740
Yup pretty much this if you are not decently well of eating high quality meat is not an option. Delicious antibiotics with every bite in this liver hehe. (But wait until he claims to living close to a trusted farm haha)

Most of these shitstains are just contrarians to the vegans and both are equally annoying.
Imagine beeing so insecure you avoid eating something which is the main diet of some people you dont like

>>13483734
>like the green vegetation
what the fuck anon aren't you opposed to this
why would you post this excerpt

>>13483719
>Yeah I guess they just made this shit up and meant literally nothing by it.
Made up what? Nothing that you have said points to peoples not eating raw meat.

>Weird how these inuit "alcoholics" die of strokes and heart attacks and not livers. Must be some godlike liver genes they have if they can be alcoholics all their life long without having elevated liver disease rates mhhh.
They no longer subsist on a traditional eskimo diet either.

>Eating only meat despite good evidence telling you otherwise
Ive gotten healthier, and my neuroticism has gone down.

>I can add cod liver sure but you know what else these people ate? Plenty of plants to go with that liver you shitstain. Its not me having to restrict my diet its you i feel more free than you ever will
You still have not contended with the idea that plants protect themselves from eating toxins, and that christian monks would consume vegetables to make themselves infertile.

>>13483732
>Darwin says that we've evloved from apes.
>Ergo - we've come from APES who were able to evolve (get bigger brains etc) on a purely vegan diet. How can this be explained?
Perfectly fine question.
Here is the answer:
Our digestive tract resembles that of a Dog or a cat, more than it does a Gorilla.
Gorillas also "ferment" their own food, by eating their feces. This is similar to how a vegan ends up often eating their own piss to help with their own nourishment.
In short, we are obligate carnivores. Gorillas are not.

>>13483740
The meat industry does not pollute the environment, because it does not have to engage in germ warfare or kill billions of animals each year to protect their crops.

>>13483803
>we are obligate carnivores
No we’re not. We’re omnivores, we eat everything,

>>13483746
>Its not me arguing gainst eating meat its you arguing against eating vegetables my position is good for every passage. But you are saying your nigger god wanted to poison you with vegetables so who is the retard? protip if you have a mirror in the house go take a look
When Cain and Abel offered up their offerings to God, god rejected the fruits and vegetables of the land, and accepted the fattiest calf.
Subsequently the quintessential progenitor vegan, Cain, murdered his brother Abel.

>>13483678
You don’t have any diet that uses flour without being accompanied by the use of sugar, literally no where, if a culture uses wheat they also use sugar

>>13483777
Vegetables are famine food. It is better than nothing, and its not horrid if it is cooked.
However, the fatty animal is optimal, and if given the option, I do not think anything else needs to be considered, other than perhaps taste if it really appeals to you.

>>13483821
Yes we are.
Our intestines resemble that of a cat and a dog, not of monkeys or pigs.
We also know what happens when you try to feed a cat a vegan diet: it becomes unhealthy.

>>13475999
If it works for you, it works for you.
There's no easy way to lose weight, so if you're able to adhere to something, fucking do it. Doesn't mean it'll work for most people. Cutting out carbs is far, far too expensive for me, so I just do a regular caloric-deficit cut. Works dandy since I don't break.

>>13483829
Hmmm, interesting. That is a good point. Never thought of that before.

>>13483803
>>13483848
>closer to dog than pig
>dog doesnt have a small intestine
>pig is almost exact match
Wow, you made yourself look retarded and doubled down on your own retardation. This is your brain on /pol/ddit, fellas.

>>13483854
Jordan Peterson lost 7 pounds in 7 months when he switched to cooked meat only.
Would you consider that easy? He's not starving himself, and he is eating a pretty meal.

>>13483810
>no germ warfare
Yeah sure farm animals are not fed any medicine.
>billions of animals to protect crops
citation needed

>>13481253
Is white guilt is a form of testicular cancer?

>>13483848
>closer to dog and pig
Can you provide any source on that? (other than the image which doesn't really convey anything and has no source given itself)

>>13483864
I'd consider that slow and expensive, but results all the same. Worked for him, good for him.
>starving
Man I don't get hunger pangs on a deficit. The mighty potato and egg, baby. Works for me, good for me.

>>13483862
>Human, 14 folds, almost twice the size of a dog
>Dog, 12 folds
>Pig, 26 folds
How do you figure we are closer to a pig? You compare intestine relative to your actual size. Ours is actually shorter to a dogs, but longer than a cat's in this regard.
The pig and the sheep is extremely long. Also, why are you getting so upset about this?

>>13483875
You are basing your entire assumption on a literal drawing. You gave no source for your drawing or any other facts to back it up other than counting folds on a drawn intestine.

>>13483873
This is what I found:
Human Digestive Tract

The human digestive tract bears NO resemblance to that of herbivores.

In fact, it should be very obvious how very similar the human and carnivore digestive systems are. Here’s counting the ways...

Dogs and humans have canine teeth.
Dogs and humans eat a meal, and then may not eat again for a few hours, or a day or two. (Herbivores graze all day long, nearly every waking moment looking for forage.)
They use an up and down chewing motion of the jaws
Length, digestive enzymes and function of the stomach are nearly identical in human and carnivore digestive systems. (No digestion occurs in the rabbit's stomach; in a cow, digestion does not occur until stomach number 4.)
Small intestine, appendix (cecum) and colon have identical functions in human and carnivore digestive systems, though there are a couple physical differences.
https://www.raising-rabbits.com/carnivore-digestive-system.html

>>13483879
My drawing is better than the fuck all you have presented thus far.

>>13483892
Not really. I can create a drawing, give you no source and claim anything that would be contrary to what you present. Is that a legit way to prove my point? If yes, I will provide said drawing and arguments I may or may not have pulled right out of my asshole.

>>13475999
>experts

>>13483903
not him but i reverse image searched that drawing and apparently it's from here
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparisons-of-digestive-tract-anatomy-It-can-be-seen-that-the-human-digestive-tract-is_fig1_272419339

idk if that's a legit source. i've seen that site before but i don't remember what it's for

>>13483903
>this level of cope

>>13475999
>smoke weed every day, eat loads of carbs for breakfast lunch and dinner, do yoga for ten minutes a day, that's the epitome of HEALTH
>NO STOP EATING FAT IT MAKES YOU FAT

>>13483829
Last time i checked bread is not made with sugar retard. You can put sugary shit on it but you can jsut as well put meat dairy or eggs on it. Last time i checked there is also more starch than just flour for example potatoes or rice you argument is just weak but typical ketard

>>13483889
>The human digestive tract bears NO resemblance to that of herbivores.
Nobody claimed humans to be herbivores. Atleast nobody mentally ill claims human are herbivores or carnivores because their are objectively omnivores. Just building a strwaman as always

>>13483963
not mentally ill*

>>13475999
ive been the most productive in my life ive even started a business thats already doing great

personality change occured when I started eating only 1000 calories of jerky with a multivitamin every day

now I feel like God all the time

>>13483916
>People who smoke weed only eat carbs
Sure thats why meat consumption is higher than ever because people(in general even) are only eating carbs all day
How often do these weed smokers eat veggies like paprika, carrots or onions btw?

>>13483957
>Last time i checked bread is not made with sugar retard.
Not the guy you are responding to but... have you ever made bread anon?
The first step is warm water, yeast, and sugar.

>Nobody claimed humans to be herbivores. Atleast nobody mentally ill claims human are herbivores or carnivores because their are objectively omnivores. Just building a strwaman as always
You didnt read the site. It states that we are carnivores, and further that we are obligate carnivores. We can not survive otherwise.
The fact that you state that we can eat both plants and animals, is as relevant to vegans who put their cat on vegan cat food diets without the cat immediately keeling over and dying.
By your logic, Cats are not carnivores either.

>>13483875
>folds on drawing
Holy shit, you are retarded. I'm not getting upset, I'm just calling you out. I've put much less effort into my posts than you have to yours. I don't get how you can put so much thought into being a literal retard.

>>13483983
sorry, second green text was responding to :
>>13483963

>>13483875
For the record - the lack of a small intestine is far more significant of a difference than the number of "folds" in a non-scaled drawing.

>>13483985
You are upset. Instead of arguing, you just shout insults and hurl obscenities, while still providing nothing substantive.
Ive offered a website and a drawing. Look up the information yourself; The pig intestine is much longer than the human's relative to its size.

>>13483999
Just because I don't care about the issue enough to provide a counter argument yet still know enough about biology to call you a retard it doesn't mean I'm upset. The "evidence" you provided is lacking in substance and you've clearly read too many conspiracy theories to do actual research. No point in wasting my time trying to convince you of anything because I'm sure anything I do throw your way will be a part of some bigger conspiracy to promote soy and turn men in to trannies thanks to le jews.

>>13483999
wtf i was the one who reverse image searched your drawing faggot you didn't provide it

>>13484043
>>13483999
absolute state of ketards

>>13484049
not a ketard, schizo
just ate a honey cake for dessert in fact

>>13484036
>im too lazy and important to provide counter arguments
You are right now providing counter arguments to everything except the actual argument in question.
The picture even gives the sizes of the intestines.
Now you are playing the
>Muh biology class told me to eat bran muffins
card. Since when does anyone on 4chan care about what your mainstream classes teach?
You need to go back to r-eddit.

This thread was shit. This website is a piece of shit because of all you fags. Nobody was even remotely funny. You're all old, unfunny pieces of shit now. Bye, losers.

>>13484063
they can't all be winners

>>13483687
>People dying on an almost exclusively meat diet

Besides your imagination, where is this happening ma-am?

>>13483983
>Bread
>Sugar
Yeah i bake my own sourdough thats why i know you are either a bullshitting retard or la creatura

>https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/7075/plain-and-simple-sourdough-bread/?internalSource=staff%20pick&referringId=349&referringContentType=Recipe%20Hub
Pretty standard recipe even tho you probably dont need the yeast with the sourdough so where is the sugar motherfucker?

Sure bot omnivores still outliving retards like you. Healthiest people on earth (longest living) have an omnivore diet we are still waiting for the first 100 year old carnivore retard. The wait will probably never end because luckily retards die younger

>>13484082
Greenland for example. Basically every Inuit population have lifespans aroun 50-60 years on average way lover than most people. meanwhile the longest living (Japanese, Italian) eat an omnivore diet. How do you cope?

>>13483869
>>billions of animals killed to protect crops
>citation needed

https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

>>13484092
>sourdough
I don't know about sourdough, ive never made it. Most other breads have you proof yeast with sugar. You will concede this point, right?
I imagine the sourdough, that the yeast is using some sugar to feed upon, but I could be wrong.

>>13484095
>greenland
they are no longer living by their traditional diet, in a hostile climate, where they don't receive much sun for the majority of the year, and have huge substance and alchohol abuse issues that lowers the average age.

The Japanese have raw meat, and are the only race capable of digesting certain seaweeds. The raw meat from sushi offsets the toxins from the plants they eat.

>>13484095
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Longest-lived vertebrate is Greenland shark: Lifespan of 400 years. Summary: Greenland sharks live at least as long as 400 years, and they reach sexual maturity at the age of about 150, a new study reports.Aug 11, 2016

You may exit the internet.

>>13483957
I don’t know why you think I am arguing with you. Yeah sure you don’t have to consume sugar. But reality is, if you are consuming wheat flour products you will also be consuming sugar, you don’t have examples that prove otherwise because that was the progression that we had in history. All other cultures were not wheat based and as such didn’t begin consuming sugar in the same amounts. Look at rice based cultures for example.
Maybe it is the nature of wheat consumption but there is no evidences to suggest that other than what we see I don’t know that it has been studied. And as rice based cultures embrace wheat consumption their sugar intake has also increased, is that due to the “destruction” of their own cultural gastronomy or is it does wheat consumption actually go hand in hand with sugar is it a cause or a correlation? I don’t know and the more I look into nutrition the less I know what to actually eat for health purposes. It seems clear sugar is poison, and it also appears to be somewhat clear that bread isn’t exactly always good either, other than that the carbs being a problem or not I don’t know that it has been proven or otherwise the best “science” we have is Adkins realization that if you cut carbs people’s metabolic issues seem to disappear you seem to be able to “cure” diabetes lower their weight, lower their “bad indicators” of health. But again I don’t know I’m not a scientist, try it and see what works for you I say. You also can’t claim that there is a human universal other than sugar is bad and I think that is part of the problem of these discussions,

>>13484082
Who's the autist on the picture? Is meat causing baldness AND autism?

>>13484117
>race
opinion discarded

>>13475999
>Homo Sapiens Eating high fat diet last 300 thousand years until agriculture invention
>Bad for you
Fuck off

>>13483872
it's cancer alright