/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>13409557
>unironically still thinking plant estrogen affects your hormones

>>13409562
>>unironically still thinking plant estrogen affects your hormones

thinking what you put in your body has no effect on it

I don't really care because I'm not interested in it anyway.

cant wait to supplement my hrt with whoppers

>>13409562
heres my daily dose of COPE
>puts estrogen in his body
>i it its ok becuase its puh pahhh ppplant estrogens!

>>13409557
>replace beef, which is a negligible source of estrogen, with plant matter that is a significant source of estrogen
>WTF 18 MILLION TIMES MORE???? THEY'RE TURNING THE GAYS EVEN GAYER!
Did you know that a Double Big Mac meal with a large fries and a Coke contains several thousand times the amount of sodium compared to a glass of tap water?

>>13409557
It should be mentioned that said phytoestrogens are about a million times weaker than mammal estradiol.
Also by docking and not activating estrogen-receptors, they can actualy block estrogen.

>>13409557
The researcher is an Alex Jones contributor I think the industry will be fine. And it goes without saying, but do you know how much animal estrogen is in milk?

>>13409627
Not as much as in a whole pregnant woman, and I eat about two of those a month.

>>13409636
>eats two pregnant women a month

>>13409658
And how many do you eat, poorfag?

>>13409557
i don't think that was ever the claim or the goal, so the point is moot

>>13409674
This. If anything, the Impossible burger was meant to be a plant-based alternative to normal burgers, so them being as unhealthy or even more unhealthy than normal burgers is actually a win on their part.

>>13409674
what is the point exactly?

I don't mind the estrogen as long as it tastes good. My issue with it is that it's retardedly expensive compared to a normal burger.

>>13409674
The point is who?

So what's the takeaway here? That vegans are faggots? We already knew that.

>>13409575
You didn't need to wait for this. Eating a couple of whoppers a day will surely give you tits

>>13409557
back to twitter phoneposter.

>>13409577
Yeah your chicken and beef are full of growth hormones. Your dick is little because of it.

>>13409557
Everybody is going to develop firm yet supple plant boobs. I can't wait.

>>13409779
>firm yet supple plant boobs
I've been waiting for this!

>>13409695
ethical food that tastes like meat you dipshit

I like it more than a standard Whopper but I just go to actual vegan restaurants whenever I feel like having a burger like this. Who goes to the place that can't even make good nuggets for something like this?

>>13409770
back to beating your tiny pecker to blacked porn

>>13409813
I should like blacked porn because I'm black but the guys are always buff chads that aren't virgins so I can't self-insert.

>>13409821
Have you ever wondered why so many people hate you people? Like given yourself a genuine look inward into your whole race? Would the world be a better place without you and you kind in it? If we're being honest we both know the answer

>>13409827
Everyone knows that the people who suffer the most from black people are, more often than not, other black people.

>>13409827
People of every race are hated by someone, there's assholes of all kinds everywhere, but I don't think about it much or particularly care, hate whoever you want I just want to get good food, play games, and watch anime without being bothered.

HOLY SHIT
THE SOY MEMES WERE TRUE

>>13409569
I just ate some factory farkee chicken that was likely stuffed with growth hormones. I'm basically doing steroids, right? I bet I'll be super jacked tomorrow

>>13409557
Beyond Meat doesn't have soy in it.

>mass-producing pic related is better for your health and the planet than sustainably raised meat
i cant decide if pedos or vegans should get the rope first

>>13410485
Looks like the same shit packed into most of the pre-made shit Amerilards normally eat. Why the outrage alarmist?

>>13410485
>Water, ground lentils, vegetable oil, a bunch of small vegetable extracts

Truly horrifying stuff. These people are sick. Let's go watch some slaughterhouse footage to calm us down.

>>13410485
I mean, it's really not that much in the grand scheme of things.

>>13410523
because vegtards want to replace real meat with this garbage, and doing so would not only deplete all available soil in the US in just a few short years, it would also irreversibly destroy millions of acres of grassland and the millions of small animal lives (birds, mice, snakes, non-pest insects, etc), raping the ecosystem far harder and faster than the meat industry could ever dream of

>>13410485
also
>sustainably raised meat

>>13409557
Called it.

>>13410533
Grazing occupies 26% of the earth's ice-free terrestrial surface, and feed crop production uses about one third of all arable land. Meat production is the primary driver of soil depletion because it drives demand the monoculture that is animal feed production (such as the explosion of soybean production in recent years)

>>13410534
Who the fuck are Clark & Tilman?

>>13410533
really? damn

>>13410542
It's a single graph that perfectly undermines anti-vegan posting, why would I not post it in every anti-vegan thread?

>>13410542
jews who want you to eat bugs and estrogen

>>13410542
>>13410562
Sorry, thought you said 'who the fuck are you, clark and tilman?' because I keep posting this.
link here
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/land-use-per-gram-of-protein-by-food-type
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa6cd5

>>13410571
It's hilarious that people will get conspiratorial before they'll be told to eat their vegetables. Must suck to be an eternal spoiled child.

>>13410534


>macronutrients

Now post the same graph for micronutrients like creatine B12 lysine and vitamin D3 heme iron etc

Impossible/Beyond is what they want to force on us. And people are falling in line. Soon it'll be this or the bugs, your choice, goyim. Don't like that? Then it's the reeducation center for you. Meanwhile the rest of the elite, will still be eating the finest meat.

>>13410533
Flat out lying. I love meat and will not stop eating it but I'm not going to lie to myself to make me feel better like some sort of tranny.

>>13410582
>>
First of all, not just macronutrients, protein specifically. Vegetables are even more efficient if you are talking about pure caloric content

We could also create plant-based extracts for most of the things you've listed but it's kind of missing the point - you can still eat enough meat to get micro-nutrients (which doesn't take much), but you should just be eating less than you are so you don't get heart disease and we don't destroy the planet.

>>13410583
No it's just capitalism. They saw that lots of people are looking for meat alternatives and they filled the gap. Take your meds schizo. You're still waiting for jade helm aren't you?

>>13410582
red meat would just lose to every other animal product. also you should know high iron intake causes alzheimer's and you dont need but half the daily recommendation if you're not a woman with a period.

>>13409613
Oy vey don't tell them that detail! EAT THE MEAT GOYIM!

>>13410599
>plant-based extracts
>for things that plonts dont produce not even in part per billion

LOLZ!

>>13410528
Based Vegan Chad.

>>13410541
Based and science-pilled.

>>13410562
Because a non-negligible part of the vehement anti-vegan community are also either into anti-semitic conspiracies or are literal flat-earthers, why would they give a rats ass about science? Even the semi-sane ones have no issue rejecting any scientific research that doesn't agree with them.

>>13410624
Spinach contains iron
Vitamin D3 is naturally synthesized by the body from sunlight
B12 is primarily synthesized in the gut flora of herbivorous animals, and thus can be created in a lab
Lysine is in milk and can be procured by non-intensive dairying

etc etc etc

>>13409589
Did you know H2O commonly referred to as water has no NA commonly referred to as sodium in its molecular composition

>>13410538
>cookie crist :D
He's no vegan though. Also obesity is more associated with meat eating which a lot of these guys suffer from

Why are people so bad with numbers.

How hard is it to grasp than many times an extremely small number is still a small number
LIke what is the baseline for estregen in a whopper? Why si this a thing to be compared to?

This is like saying soda has 540 trillion times as much sugar as tap water, it may be technically true but it is not useful or meaningful

>>13410653
Fantano is like the only vegan on that thing and he's a decent powerlifter

>>13410648
tap water has some sodium in it. Especially if you live in a place where you use water softeners

>>13410660
Are you being retarded on purpose.

>>13410655
>Dont worry about that hydrogen cyanide bro it's a minuscule amount it can't hurt you

>>13409839
ill drink to that

>>13410694
even HCN has doses that are not harmful

You could have one thing that is 0.1 ppt HCN, and another that is 10 ppt, and you could truthfully say the one has 100 times more HCN, but that still doesn't mean they are not effectively the same thing for your health

Basically you should just say how much of whatever chemical there is, and compare that to what levels are biologically significant, not measure your concentration in multiples of how much of that chemical there is in random ass things not even know for having that chemical at all

Its like when you see news reports on drunk drivers and they report "X times the legal limit" as though the legal limit is a biologically relevant number rather than just saying the BAC

>>13410528
ingredients for a normal patty
>beef
so horrifying

>>13410541
as long as you aren't buying brazilian beef cooked in palm oil it doesn't make a difference

>IM GETTING MORE OF A SEARING BITE FROM THE IMPOSSIBLE WHO- NOOOOOH. NONONNNNNOO *SMACKS LIPS*

The ultimate trap burger.

>>13409557
>Go to restaurant that serves Impossible Burger "meat" for lunch with colleagues one day
>I avoid that shit as it is only a fad.
>Coworkers all order fake meat meals
>All get screaming shits food poisoning and are in the restroom for remainder of the day
>Except for me and the girl who ordered a salad

>>13410745
Because everyone comes to 4chan for groundbreaking and methodical research right? You're more of a dumbass than you think.

>>13410818
Dehydrogenase kinase, sweetie

>Jell-O, is 100% protein; however, it completely lacks the essential amino acid histidine. Therefore, its value as a protein is zero. In beef the rate limiting amino acid is tryptophan, which is at 79% of the required level. In soy protein, the rate limiting amino acid is methionine, which is at 41% of the required level. So, to compare the impossible whopper with the whopper, you have to take 0.41 x 25 grams of protein and compare it to 0.79 x 28 grams of protein. The impossible whopper has 10 grams of usable protein and the whopper has 22 grams of usable protein. So you would have to eat two and a quarter impossible whoppers to get the same protein in one whopper.
Is this retard an actual doctor or a chiropractor? This is literal pseudoscience

I tried the beyond meat burger from A&W a couple times and both times I thought it tasted like protein powder and nuts. A part of me wonders if this fake meat could work as some kind of sloppy joe or pulled pork substitute with a very heavy sauce?

>>13409882
hormones and antibiotics given to animals are not given to them up to the date of slaughter
it's a regulation, depending on the species how long before slaughter the farmers need to stop giving them drugs
this is to ensure the meat isn't contaminated

>>13410904
Thats how most people used veggie burgers for the longest time, as some casserole like slop with another meal. The Beyond Burger is decent enough when topped and not overcooked.

>>13410904
Jack fruit might work for pulled pork. Similar texture and it has the sweetness for a BBQ flavor.

This is the source of the post. A livestock news website blog written by a veterinarian who provides no sources whatsoever for anything he claims
https://www.tsln.com/news/stangle-impossible-burgers-are-made-of-what/

And of course The National File which OP links is a rightwing nutjob news site

>>13409802
>Ethically poisoning the population

>>13409827
Based and klan-pilled.

>>13410534
I legitimately do not care. If eating a diet that isn't solely composed of soybeans, tomatoes and rice means I'm wasting water then it turns out I don't actually give a shit about the environment after all.

>>13410934
Stop noticing things, goy! Trust the corporations and eat meat like a manly man, don't ask why there are ten times more vegans per capita in Israel! Don't google anything about the estrogen-blocking properties of phytoestrogens or actual estrogen in meat, you're not an antisemite are you?

>>13410648
did you know that (pure) H2O is not drinkable water and will actually hurt you

>>13411292
Old story that a former navy coworker told me.
>Guy worked on a nuclear submarine
>Buddy was thirsty and decided to drink from the reactor coolant output that was pure H20
>Best tasting water ever
>Guy continued to drink only the water for a few days until he got badly sick to where he nearly died and one of his kidneys shut down

>>13409562
>not knowing about endocrine disrupters
>not knowing estrogen/phytoestrogens contained in tap water and processed food is directly linked to lower T levels in men and the constant downgrading of their sperm quality
Keep being retarded

>Literally just a /pol/ thread from earlier
Mobile IPs should be b&

>>13411341
God I hate internet larping kids

>>13411396
That story seems very familiar, might be one of those nonsense stories that bullshitters can't help but repeat. I don't find it so hard to believe that some bullshitter spouted that nonsense and he fell for it.

>>13409557
the rest of the burger besides the soy is already made from dirt and twigs, so no, I don't think they care about the consequence to consumers. Also you're an idiot if you fall for trendy shit like this in the first place

Take the carnivore-pill

>>13409557
hoping to sell my poo as "Impossible Brownies" there sure is a lot of it!

Had some chili with impossible meat in it for the first time last weekend. It tasted strange, and was far chewier than actual beef. Felt like I was eating dog kibble. This stuff is turning out to be the biggest hoax of a generation.

>>13411358
Why are you seething, tranny?

>>13411357
>not knowing estrogen/phytoestrogens contained in tap water and processed food is directly linked to lower T levels in men and the constant downgrading of their sperm quality
how do you counteract this?

The only reason why it tasted just like a real burger is all the condiments on the patty. You take all that out and it taste like shit. Try leaving it and eat it the next day. Disgusting.

>>13409562
You shills are in literally every thread about this lmao

>>13412520
Only white people seem to suffer from this weird affliction where they find it impossible to taste things if there are more than 3 different flavor components. See all the threads saying that all a steak needs is salt and pepper.

>>13412388
>Buzzwords
As expected.

>>13409658
>Kek

>>13410533
Nigga raising cattle is literally the most wasteful and resource expensive farming practice out there. You do realize that a huge portion of the United States' farmland goes towards cultivating food that will be used to feed the cattle? It all falls back on the cows. I love eating beef, but at least be honest about the problems that come from doing so, you cognitive dissonant fag.

>>13411341
Go shill your estrogen blockers on Infowars, alex, lol!

I'm a grill. Will this make my boobs grow? They're small and I hate it

>>13409562
>vitamins and nutrients sourced from plants are more readily absorbed by your body
>estrogen sourced from plants isn't

>>13413528
what? why?
in Argentina and other places with good meat ,the cows just go their own way eating whatever they want without a single person doing some weird shit.
The only thing i have done to my cows was putting anti-parasyte stuff on them due to flies getting their larva inside the cow's wounds.

>order impossible burger
>"sir thats impossible"
>starve
vegans btfo

>>13410534
>Ironically proves my point about how cows get decent live chillin on thousands and thousands and thousands of acres of grassland.....

>>13410638
>Vegans tell themselves this....
>The mirror tells them something else....

>>13409802
>ethics
>food
get fucked libshit

>>13409802
define ethics. Studies show that plants scream under distress and trees have a concept of family and race.
You monsters

>>13412484
A certain bulbous, layered root might help.

>>13417385
That's not what means you dumbass. Christ

>>13417971
No they dont. Even if they did, animals eat plants.

>>13409802
There is no such thing as ethical industrial farming

>>13417971
technically their existence is a parasite on planet earth so if they had any real ethics they would kill themselves. If you care more about the planet and animals, the only logical action is to kill yourself to save them.
But we all know its for fucking show because libshits would behead their own mother if it brought them more virtuePoints(tm)

>>13417979
animals eat animals too

>>13417979
>its another episode of vegan puts their fingers in their ears and goes LALALALALALA when confronted with any studies on flora that goes against their beliefs
yet they will hug trees

>>13417977
>REEEEEE cows are locked in small factory farm cages!!!!
>REEEEE COWS GET TOO MUCH LAND THOUSANDS OF ACRES REEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Literally vegans prove their own propaganda is retarded every time they open their mouth.

>>13418017
>>13418010
>>13417996
weird, its almost as if purposefully going against nature purely for a political agenda is mental illness

>>13409557
Plant estrogen is not the same as human estrogen you tard.

44mg of real estrogen would kill you because of too much stress on your liver and blood clotting, you'd also be completely light headed.

>>13418025
>HURRR THIS ESTROGEN ISNT OK BUT THIS ESTROGEN IS OK
mental gymnastics

>>13418022
>went to check the comments on the published paper on biorixiv
>no mention of veganism anywhere
>last comment
amazing

>>13418010
The study didnt say anything about how much land 1% of the cows get, it said it would TAKE more land per protein to sustain them you retard

>>13418017
That goes double for you

>>13418060
you are quoting the wrong person there.

>>13418017
Most cows are on feedlots, the study says it takes more land. Its amazing how completely braindead everyone from /pol/ is

>>13418061
Still applies. You didn't post any study of plants screaming. Ive seen it and its no different than any stimuli response you see in any organism

>>13418079
>I've seen It I know better
sure you do Rosemary, sure you do.

>>13417385
Total use of land in production, most of which goes to grow feed. This is pointed out to you lot in every thread, so I'm curious: are you too dumb to understand it or do you purposefully ignore it and keep shitposting the same crap because you are faggots?

>>13418087
You're right. I should trust your offhand vague reference to it instead

>>13409557
This is great, I can't wait for burger king to be flooded with transexual faggots. Maybe they'll run off all the niggers so I can fucking tolerate eating there again

>>13411038
>As compared to meat, which is unethical and poisoning the population.

>>13412828
Holy shit wait a second.
This crazy motherfucker offers free engines with his oil changes?!

>>13418093
you already said you've seen it, why should I even post it? My dear rosey, I was already under the suspicion that you were having memory problems since you keep adopting cats despite having more than the local pet shop, but now im pretty sure. You should really consider seeing a doctor. At least CONSIDER consulting the crystals on such decision.

>>13418112
hello, can you huuuuuuuuuhhhh, look up human population growth and compare it to this graph? thanks

>>13418060
>Only 1% of cows are on the grassland REEEEEE
>This 1% of cows somehow uses more acres than all other sources of of farms combined REEEEEEE!

Literally proving my point every time you post. Vegan arguments and vegan propaganda is a hilarious comedy, not just average lying...

>>13418113
Oh okay so when you reference it you're magically right but im not gotcha

>>13418116
can you not write like a faggot so people can understand what it is you're trying to imply?

>>13418119
No, they REQUIRE more land PER protein you retard. Therefore making it FAR MORE UNSUSTAINABLE

That's why MOST are on FEEDLOTS

Jesus christ how fucking botched was your abortion?

>>13418092
The answer to your question is: you are a vegan liar. Everything you say is a lie and mere megaphoning of the vegan lies you have "learned" so my question to you is: how can we respond to (((((your))))) lies than by laughing?

>>13418125
I dunno, can you not BE a faggot and not post disingenuous graphs that have zero meaning due to how ridiculously unbalanced they are?
Anyway just look up human population and think for 3 seconds

>>13418120
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Plants+emit+sound+under+stress

>>13418126
>Jesus christ how fucking botched was your abortion?

Thank God my mom and dad are not vegan lol. My question to you is how did you survive your own abortion??

>>13418144
Oh Lord what a thriving and beautiful vegan!

>>13418144
survived long enough to die of malnutrition thank you

>>13418137
That's not a reference which just affirms my suspicion you didnt actually read the study

>>13418168
>its not referenced by my hebrew vegan magazine therefore it doesnt count
huh-huh

>>13418132
I think you're just retarded

>>13409562
God vegans are such coping faggots it’s amazing

>>13409613
in english doc: can i become a cute girl if i ate nothing but those for a while?

>>13418171
You didnt reference anything. You linked a Google search result on the idea behind the study. Not the study. Which again affirms my suspicions you didn't accept read it, you glanced over a headline or overheard about it

>>13418203
Seethe

>>13418241
sv3rige is massive assuming he does not roid or even gym, and many vegan are going bald, even the women and kids

>>13418467
White people have the highest rates of baldness because of their higher testosterone too.

>>13418106
i dare you to go slap a salmon our a bears mouth and tell it how unethical it is to kill.
oh thats right you wont because youre a fucking flaming faggot.
its ok for everything on the planet to do what it does, somehow because people have the ability to think and reason we are now above having a fucking BBQ. eat shit you cunts.

Humans are part of the food chain.
Humans are "designed" to eat meat.
Humans have teeth to shred meat.
Humans have enzymes to break meat down.
Humans bodies depend on meat to live.
Humans will die without meat.
these are all facts, you cant put your fingers in your ears and deny them.
>>13418203
veganism is a mental disorder. Its a kind of reverse Munchausen syndrome, where youre obviously ill, mentally and physically, but you keep telling everyone (yourself included) that youre perfectly fine.

>>13418643
You consider yourself a bear or do you just get pozzed by people that do? We aren't obligate carnivores or omnivores. Do you also suggest killing and eating humans is ethical because otherwise comparing our moral obligation and compass to animals is retarded, cunt.
>Humans are part of the food chain.
And what?
>Humans are "designed" to eat meat.
No we aren't. Why would we get atherosclerosis, cancer, and diabetes from eating it?
>Humans have teeth to shred meat.
The same way a herbivorous ape does
>Humans have enzymes to break meat down.
And alcohol, we adapt, it doesnt mean we thrive on it
>Humans bodies depend on meat to live.
No they dont
>Humans will die without meat.
Redundant statement, still wrong and stupid. Even if you dont buy into veganism, some of the longest living populations are vegetarian like the 7th Day Adventists, or eat extremely small amounts like the Okinawans

>>13418467
He is not massive, and his proportions are trash

>>13418658
>No we aren't. Why would we get atherosclerosis, cancer, and diabetes from eating it?
prove it.
>ape
all can eat meat
>And alcohol, we adapt, it doesnt mean we thrive on it
when a point refutes your garbage just strawman

youre an insufferable cunt and everyone in your family hates you.

>>13418681
I wont prove anything until you prove your claims
>all can eat meat
Not the point that you unsurprisingly didnt get
>when a point refutes your garbage just strawman
Wanna try that in non sperg?
>youre an insufferable cunt and everyone in your family hates you.
Sorry to hear about how your parents failed to raise you as a normal child and were cowards that didn't just abort you. Not my problem.

>>13418643
>humans are incapable of evolving beyond their carnist evolutionary roots and must remain locked into using only the reptilian portion of their brain
So you admit you're sub-human compared to vegans! Thx for your honest self examination, carnie boi!

>>13418792
Post tits.

>>13418643
>Somehow because people have the ability to think and reason we should actually use those abilities and make informed, rational and ethical choices and not just mindlessly pursue base pleasures like wild animals?
Yes?