/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>13259353
>all carnivores eat red meat
Retard.

yea op and veganism was invented solely to bait meat eaters on /ck/

>>13259353
Pandas have to eat a dump truck full of bamboo a day to get their required intake. That doesn't make it a good idea.

>>13259353
>Humans should only eat vegetables, it is what we are designed for,
explain lactase persistence

>and you don’t have to worry about the pain and suffering an animal goes through when raised by shitty farmers.
a lot of animals get killed during crop harvests. lab grown meat + vertical farms would probably greatly reduce animal deaths together, trying to push people to one extreme diet or the other makes them stop caring so much though.

>>13259362
What do carnivores (human) eat?

>>13259369
also how much food is in your stomach isn't the only thing you need to feel satisfied. try filling your stomach with water when you're hungry and it's kind of sickening sometimes. your body can tell if it's gotten enough fat, protein, carbs, iron, soon after you've finished eating, and you won't really feel satisfied eating nothing but low calorie/fat/protein vegetables. vegetables are still healthy though, just not if it's the only thing you're eating.

>>13259353
Vegetables are the least helpful thing for a human GI tract. You hardly get anything of substance digested from the. That's why it takes a giant pile of roughage to match meat in calories. Most of what they have going for them is A) the lack of digestion means fat people can "eat" a lot of it without gaining weight and B) the fiber meme, which is at best on very shaky grounds as far as benefits go (there are studies you can find showing people actually improve from GI symptoms like bloating, gas, constipation, diarrhea, etc. after cutting out high fiber foods and working with a low residue diet instead).

Koalas are designed to eat nothing but eucalyptus and it’s not even healthy for them

I’ll take my “whatever I feel like tonight” diet any day of the week thank you very much

Caring about an animals feelings is literally worse than caring about women’s feelings. Be less pathetic, anon

>>13259353
>vegans make a graph pointing out their food is less efficient and say it’s a good thing
Okay maybe it is a death cult

Humans did not evolve to fill their stomach 5 times a day

>>13259353
For me, it's sage. The best herb.

>>13259384
Nutrition and health shit around nowadays is horrible and actively trying to kill you if you're a hungry skelly. Everything's geared towards fatties now, so food that isn't really food is treated like it's healthy.

You can tell op doesn’t lift by advocating for 400 calorie a day diets

>>13259353
>it is what we are designed for
One of us has a PhD in biology. It's not you.

>>13259373
Meat

>Ketards vs Vegancucks
Who ever wins we lose.

Friendly reminder that 98% of all research on nutrition have proven red (and even fish an poultry) meat to increase the risk of getting certain types of cancer by a gazillion percent.

>>13259383
>using koalas as an argument
That’s a little autistic desu m8

>>13259404
I'm pretty sure the picture was implying one meal out of others in the day, and isn't implying just one 400 calorie meal a day.

>>13259414
Koalas are the perfect comparasion to useless weak vegetarians.

>>13259440
Delusion

>>13259416
It literally shows that you can’t consume calories as fast as a vegan

>>13259452
Pretty sure oils and nuts are vegan.

Vegans/vegetarians are based.
They're healthier, smarter and they make /pol/tards seethe.

>>13259445
are steroids vegan?

>>13259413
>believing their lies

>>13259456
So what does the picture say

>>13259452
I always took the picture to be a sense that you can feel full with very little calories eaten per meal if you adhere to a proper vegan diet.

>measuring food by how much space it takes in your stomach
what is wrong with you people

>>13259413
>>13259445
They are delusional hehe. They will get so sick soon because of the antinootrients in vegetables. Humans aren't supposed to ingest plants. Hehe. Can I get some virgin blood to digest?

400 kcal of vegetables is probably something like 10kg and just because it's low cal doesn't mean it's healthy.

>>13259461
they're vegetarian

>>13259467
That the person making the claim I was responding to wrong. Faggot

>>13259468
See that doesn’t appeal to me, i struggle to get enough calories even with meat and omnivorous dieting. And for all the shitting on the average omnivore you guys do you can’t deny that an omnivore can get all the benefits of both worlds.
>inb4 I’m fat because I disagree with you vegan trannies

>>13259353
>>13259413
>cancer
Everything causes cancer at this point. Sitting too much causes cancer. Being white in the sun causes cancer. Being black in the sun all week causes cancer. We might as well gene splice with gators and lobsters since they don't get it.

>>13259476
There's tons of other reasons why they're healthy tho, like all the vitamins, minerals, flavonoids, polyphenols, the fact that they don't increase/do lower LDL and increase HDL.

>>13259461
In many cases yes.
Are you of the opinion that omnivore bodybuilders don't use steroids?

We’ve been over this. Mechanical planting and harvesting kills between twenty and thirty thousand small mammals per acre, every year. These animals are not instantly killed with a captive bolt gun, but they are crushed to death in their shallow burrows or ripped to shreds by whirling blades. Their atomized gore ends up permeating every single pulse, grain, bit of rice you eat. Unless you believe that somehow a cow’s life is worth more than a vole’s or a rat’s, which is totally stupid thinking as I’m sure you agree, you’re causing more suffering and animal death than if you exclusively ate beef, where you could easily kill only one cow per person per year.

It’s not the meat industry that kills the most animals per year. It’s big grain and soy.

No, only a sick freak of a vegan would eat grains and pulses and beans. It’s absolutely cruel! This is why, as an actually ethical vegan and not just a slave to big grain, you shouldn’t eat mechanically harvested crops of any kind. Imagine this little animals getting crushed, mangled, their guts spurting out in wormlike coils as they are crushed, entire families of them! Tiny little baby bunnies and voles, their eyes just opened for the first time, and the only thing they EVER saw was their poor mommy’s skull getting smashed and her brains coming out, right before that soy harvester kills them too.

>>13259490
>Are you of the opinion that omnivore bodybuilders don't use steroids?
no, i'll point it out when someone posts a steroid user and tries to say it's just meat and exercise making them that big too

>>13259484
I'm a vegan but honestly I understand that people are going to eat meat regardless and I do my best not to push my ideals onto other people unless they ask. I don't care if you eat meat or dairy, I would just appreciate it if you let me do my own thing without being a jerk. I understand most vegans don't hold this mentality and I understand most carnivores/omnivores don't really care what vegans do either. It's just with the whole extreme-ism of the internet and creating an identity that really magnifies on certain qualities of an individual that bring out the worst of them online and thus things like this are created to cause even more fractions and divisions in our current society.

>>13259484
I'm not saying you're a jerk by the way, that was in regards in general to the idea that people hold towards vegans. No hard feelings or ill intentions towards you.

>>13259445
>Hehe you're wrong! let me show you this one gymfag to prove you wrong!

So what if he roids, lol! So what if he's not an actual vegetarian, he says he is for views so it counts lol, so what if he's a fag that lifts for aesthetics instead of health!

>>13259497
>20-30.000 animals per acre per year.

Are you literally retarded. Do you know how big an acre is? You can't physically fit a thousand rodents a month on one acre

>>13259497
Yawn

>>13259520
>You can't physically fit a thousand rodents a month on one acre
You either don't know what an acre is, or you don't know what a rodent is. I grew up on about a 1 acre plot in the woods, so I know what both are.

>>13259522
>Look at my totally not biased graph!
>G-guys please look at it!

>>13259532
You obviously dont retard

>>13259534
Cope

>>13259516
Everyone but me is lying. Hehe. Let me tell you why the earth is flat. Hehe. Let me tell you why serial killers are the real heroes hehe. Let me tell you about that time... I meant two times I was institutionalized hehe. I stabbed my classmates hehe.

>>13259445
And meat eaters look better

>>13259532
And you quite often saw a thousand or more rodents lined up in it I take it?

>>13259543
Yes, that's where the stairs apparated from for the demons to collect their corpses

>>13259497
Nah. I eat meat and will never stop eating meat. But the idea grain harvesting kills more animals than the slaughter industry is just retarded wishful thinking. The voles and rats speculated about aren't found to actually be killed in those numbers by any study. The most that's been done is showing how there were some rodents in an area before it was taken over for grain harvesting, and the really shaky leap that they all must have died if they're not around afterwards. More likely they're not just sitting there all getting accidentally killed and plenty of them survive by moving on to somewhere else. And after all that what you have is some very tiny number of rodents maybe getting killed compared to a slaughter industry where the fundamental basis of what work is done is prepping and processing animals to be killed for meat.
If you're going to eat meat, take responsibility for it. Don't hide behind stupid rationalization stories everyone knows are bullshit. You can still be a good meat eater, but in order to do that you have to deal with reality so you can actually do your part to promote better living conditions and more humane slaughter methods.

>>13259353
>full after 400 calories
That explains it

>>13259553
>the idea grain harvesting kills more animals than the slaughter industry is just retarded wishful thinking
Depends on how large of an animal YOU decide to eat and kill. And it's true that planting and harvesting kills more than the meat industry each year. There are 913 million acres under cultivation in the US, almost all mechanically planted and harvested. so that's about 15 trillion animals killed, many of which are killed to supply vegans, per year.

>>13259553
>to promote better living conditions and more humane slaughter methods.
You mean a middle ground? Something will please both vegans and meat eaters? Fuck you. Instead I want a genocide of the other group since we are obviously the moral and superior ones.

>>13259353
:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq4Apc2Xk7Q

>>13259543
Anon, we get it. You're a city faggot that's never seen a field mouse, a squirrel or a rabbit.
>but rabbit teeth!
It's a stupid subclassification.

>>13259572
So fucking delusional it stops being funny

>>13259353
If that were true humans would be much more efficient in digesting plant matter.

>>13259572
Thats not true which is why you continue lie about complete bullshit Most grain production is for feed and less than a percent of the population is vegan

>>13259353
why does every god damn board have a nigger with an agenda on it?

Why are we having this debate again? Nothing of worth or use will come of it. That's saying something when it's competition is fastfood threads.

>>13259586
You obviously forgot to take your lithium which explains your retarded schizo larping

>>13259572
Here you go, friend. You might learn something today.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167880904002944
>The effects of corn and wheat harvest on abundance, movement, disappearance, sex ratio and age structure of Akodon azarae were studied in cropfield–border systems. Sampling occurred both before and after harvest, in crops, in their weedy margins (borders) and in surrounding areas. The abundance of A. azarae decreased in fields between before and after harvest and increased along borders. Rodents moved among habitat patches, movement being higher as a consequence of harvest. There was no difference among habitats in terms of disappearance and sex ratio but changes occurred in age structure because of harvest. In response to harvest A. azarae was able to move from crops to borders, decreasing the mortality effects. The ability to respond to habitat changes allows A. azarae to maximize fitness in periodically disturbed habitats.
tl;dr mice don't just sit there and let themselves get murdered by grain harvesters. They, believe it or not, MOVE to safer locations. Population of rodents decreases in the harvested area and increases along the borders of that area, resulting in a net population without significant change.

>>13259587
You're sadly talking to a guy who helps around with wheat farming and that's why I KNOW your ludicrous numbers are bullshit.>>13259590

>>13259353
clearly oil is the best for the environment, due to its calorie density.

>>13259587
>delusional

>>13259596
>lie

So this is how vegans cope with their murdering. They just pretend it doesn't happen.

One grass fed cow can feed me for about a year. That's ONE (1) animal death. And every Impossible Burger or tofu scramble you eat represents dozens of dead mammals.

Vegans should eat whale if they want to save animals from death.

>>13259497
The thing is, eating cow kills all those animals too when cow feed is harvested, in addition to the cows themselves.

>>13259622
Cool that you can live of that one animal and nothing else. Sad that I don't believe you

>>13259637
You believe that mechanically planters and harvesters somehow glide over fields without harming a single hair on a single mouse, vole, chipmunk, mole, rat, or bunny though. It's because you're a retard. And a killer.

>>13259542
people on steroids generally look kind of weird to me. usually makes it seem like their heads are too small.

>>13259622
A pasture gets tilled, uses pesticides, animals are hunted and displaced to secure the land and habitat. And you are not living off one cow let alone sustainig a popular with one. Grass fed cows still finish on grain and have a massive environmental footprint. An Impossible Burger is made with some of the most minimalist ingredients in regards to "harvesting" its basically made in lab. There's no data thar supports your schizophrenic rambling anywhere

>>13259647
Nobody said that. You said something as absolutely ridiculous and nonsensical as 20-30k per acre per year(?)

>>13259647
I believe that animals evolved from countless millennia of survival has a decent sense of survival. They try to escape. I believe you are a delusional twink sucker of Latvian dicks. Faggot

>>13259661
i'm a vegetarian and i would eat a cow before i ate an impossible burger because one is made of food and the other is made of oil and cellulose chemical slurry

>>13259661
>animals are hunted and displaced to secure the land and habitat
Like in Brazil where your soy comes from. But not here in the US any more, they're not clearing forests to make farmland here.

>grass fed cows finish on grain
No they don't. Otherwise they can't be marketed as grass fed.

>no data
Data was generated by Iowa State University.

You're just a salty faggot who doesn't want to acknowledge that your anti-animal-killing religion results in practices which kill more animals than people who are strict carnivores.

Enjoy your atomized mouse guts 'n brains in your (((vegan))) soy burger, you deluded creep. Only like 1/2 dozen mice die per serving of grains but it doesn't count because you don't see the results, right?

>>13259680
Okay no one asked you, "vegetarian"

>>13259678
>They try to escape.
You've never even seen a rural area except from above in an aircraft, though.

>>13259686
>>grass fed cows finish on grain
>No they don't. Otherwise they can't be marketed as grass fed.
yes they can
you need to specifically find grass finished

>>13259691
Hey quick question, are you also a tranny or a homosexual in addition to being vegan? These types of disorders often cluster.

>>13259691
stay mad shilling slurry eater

>>13259693
Worked on several actually

>>13259696
I purchase a young cow and a lamb from a local rancher every year, both are entirely raised on grass. And any beef not specifically raised exclusively on grass has to be labeled as 'grain finished.'

>>13259703
And never actually flown actually. I tend to focus on my own

>>13259703
Nobody believes you, you actually believe that farm machinery glides on a cushion of air instead of rolling over, crushing, and squirting the tiny ropelike guts all over your "vegan" grains.

Be responsible. Stop destroying the environment and animal life by demanding vegan foods. Buy a cow.

>>13259706
Cool that you do that but literally 99.9 percent don't.

>>13259686
The soy in Brazil is for cattle feed and animals are constantly displaced to protect livestock and its feed in America

>No they don't. Otherwise they can't be marketed as grass fed.
There is no regulation on grass fed in America, even if there were they would still allow a grain finish to add some more fat

>Data was generated by Iowa State University
Then post it. The data provided by the USDA shows grain kills significantly less. You demonstrably show you don't know what you're talking about and just read blips from articles instead of the research itself

>>13259706
Thats not true anywhere. You are blatantly lying again

>>13259706
>beef not specifically raised exclusively on grass has to be labeled as 'grain finished.'
prove it
grass finished is trash btw

>>13259700
>>13259701
Why do incels larp so much? Self hatred?

>>13259722
Its funny you say no one believes you when this entire thread is people laughing at your outrageous unsourced claims

>>13259748
do you know what the words you're using mean?

>>13259722
Yes we crushed their previous inhabitat. But they moved on to the next one. Have you ever seen a rat? Good luck keeping it in one place for one second even in the most quiet of circumstances. You embaress your parents.

>>13259758
Is that the best you could do, incel? Yikes

>>13259783
your insults don't make sense
it's like you're an ai regurgitating memes
>yikes

>>13259791
Okay incel

>>13259383

>>13259795

>>13259820
Cool deflecting, incel

>>13259826
>deflecting
ask me how i know you're esl

>incel
>incel
>incel
>incel
>incel
So this is how lefties cope with being everything wrong with the world

>>13259835
Does Inceldelity cause you to be so boorish and witless or are most incels like yourself just born that way?

>>13259736
>>13259706
>>13259696
>>13259686
Legality has caused grass-fed labeling to become overly bullshit. Using grains when the grass isn't growing or accessible because it's covered in fucking snow during winter is standard fare, but fucks with labeling.

Leftyschizo fresh off another ban evasion to really drive this thread into the ground

>>13259383
Based and redpilled.

>>13259845
>implying spamming incel is wit and non boor
holy esl fedora

>>13259413
>gorillion
Kek'd

>>13259870
Okay, incel.

>>13259880
till we meet again esl fedora

>>13259839
w-why are you not eating my soy filled meat replacement? y-you must be a incel!

>>13259542
Ew. Why does he look like a nigger? I take it he's not black because of the hair?

>>13259939
Post show tan. The pro tan takes awhile to fully wash off

>>13259939
Very high t makes your skin tanner.

>can't differentiate tan with skin colour
Kek'd

>>13259950
I don't have a show tan as I am not a colossal faggot

>>13259623
Not if you eat grass fed. Or if you choose lamb, which is never grain fed or finished.

>>13259911
Okay incel

>>13260014
Neither of those are true

>>13260014
If all meat was grass fed, the meat industry would become economically unsustainable.

>>13260026
Both are true, and you’re trying to cope with killing more animals than a conscientious meat eater. And failing.

>>13260041
Sounds like you have all the mathematical proof and citations you need to make your iron clad case! No need to show your math, we all TOTALLY believe you.

>>13260054
Both are false and you are failing to cope with your lack of lithium, schizo!

>>13260077
Fifty small animals die to produce each pound of tofu. More if organic farming is used.

>>13259353
>>13259398
motherfucking sand bitches!!

>>13260196
xD so random and funny

Read Dr Kellog's book The Natural Diet of Man. Very enlightening. While it's true we shouldn't be eating meat, vegetables are lacking too. We have the teeth of frugivores. But we're also dependent on the nutrients in eggs and milk. Even Gandhi realized that a vegan diet is detrimental, and unsustainable. We can eat animal products without killing animals, or causing them undue suffering.

>>13260223
yep

>>13260223
That doesn't look random to me. It looks like both planned and appropriately situated.

>>13260223
cringe

>>13260196
reddit "humor"

>>13260227
Gandhi was a racist

>>13260296
Everyone is a racist.

>>13260321

>>13259353
> and you don’t have to worry about the pain and suffering an animal goes through when raised by shitty farmers
Why would I worry about something I don’t care about?

>>13259353
But now we have to worry about the pain and suffering of animals as they lose their homes to make room for more farms to grow vegetables.

>>13260282
oh fug

>>13259383
This. Even “herbivores” will eat fresh meat if they can get it

>>13259353
If animals don’t want to be eaten they shouldn’t be made out of food

>>13260330
This, at least, we can agree on. Planet Of The Apes was a fine picture.

>>13259353
Vegetables don’t fill me up and taste like poison

>>13260409
A man who knows words. I concur with this chap.

im not worried

>>13259389
lol imagine walking around with a full stomach full of vegetation all day bloated 24/7

>>13259368
Bulk feeding is a perfectly valid strategy

>>13260505
If it we still bulk fed we wouldn’t have advanced. One of the major evolutions of meat eating was free time.

>>13259353
not gonna eat or accept a slave diet

If god wanted us to eat vegetables then he would have made them taste better.

>>13259353
I know this is bait, but calorie dense foods are better for you than having to eat a shit ton of calorie light food.
Humans are meat since humanity existed literally because the calories are more dense.

>>13259748
Just answer the question.

>>13260558
also this image implies the stomach is always expanded

>>13259353
Carnists don't think rationally. Their behavioral motivation is driven by the egg sized reptilian portion of their brain, so having a discussion with them is equivalent to a discussion with a crocodile. Iow, don't bother.

>>13259353
>Humans should only eat vegetables, it is what we are designed for
We need high protein and fat intake, and there are critical micronutrients we need that can only be found in meat. Not to mention we have omnivore teeth with too little enamel for an all-plant diet.

Our brains couldn't have evolved without being omnivores.

>>13260966
>Our brains couldn't have evolved without being omnivores
You're catching on to why these vegan threads end up pants on head retarded

>>13259353
>Carnivores are cancerous
Has no one pointed out yet that humans are OMNIVOROUS? fucking vegan retards

>>13259353
>reee you will die of cancer if you do not agree with me
be careful with that