/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>13220569
had a guiness and a sierra nevada oktoberfest at a bar, now at home drinking one of these bad boys. super super good.

>>13220569
Boulevard is amazing, that one looks pretty gross, though. Their bourbon barrel quad is one of my favorite drinks, the Love Child No. 9 as well (which was just a single batch but probably the best beer I've ever had).

>>13220702
What a pretentious-looking glass. Just drink out of the bottle like a man lmao

>>13220712
DO you live in 1994?

Going to San Diego for a few days next month. What is the best stuff to try?

>>13221181
Stone's beer garden is very nice and Modern Times is a great brewery if you're buying at a store.

Remember like a year or two ago when every alcohol thread was deleted right away? The fuck was that about?

>>13220704
>that one
The chill vibes or the Jam Band? Chill Vibes is actually pretty good. You get a bit of a salad feel at first, but after that it really is great.

>>13220569
I've had a cucumber honeydew sour from a local brewery a few years back (here in Oregon). It was absolutely one of the best sours I have ever tasted.

How sour is boulevard's cucumber?

>>13221570
It's pretty good. It has a bit of getting used to, since you don't see a lot of cucumber beers, but it is a nice, light sour.

>>13221430
the al/ck/ general was banned

>>13221523
Chill vibes, I've never tried it but I've never been a big fan of eccentric beers in that realm. But sour beers are great, so who knows.

>>13221375
Is Pure Project (Balboa Park) as good as the google reviews suggest? Its the most walkable brewery to where I am staying and it has an excellent 4.9 on google

>>13221592
I'll see if the owner at my bottle shop will order some. Sounds like a good afternoon sip

PBR.

>>13220569
You need tajin on the edge of a chilled glass with cucumber beer

>>13220569
Piss off survey faggot, none of your businesssssss.

MOOOOOODS THEYRE TALKING ABOUT ALCOHOL AGAIN!!!!!

>>13220569
I work at a brewery and typically drink the stuff we make.

>>13220702
good brewery
they do a nice table beer too

>>13220712
that's a stock photo from the internet, I was actually drinking it straight from the tap to my mouth

Oh hey guys, have you tried this new Anal Abbot Amber Bock Triple Lager Matcha Tea Infused Almond Butter IPA?

>>13221596
Can't say. I don't live there but I've visited.

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>>13222992
>>13222869
poor people leave

>>13221375
>Stone
My mom used to commute on the Amtrak between San Diego and Orange County, her tiny asian ass got BOMBED off Arrogant Bastard once when the train hit a car

I only drink to get drunk so craft beer seems like a waste. Bump.

>>13224481
consider drinking for flavor in addition to getting drunk

>>13221375
These are good, but I'd do Port/Lost Abbey and AleSmith if I had to pick 2.

>>13224481
But craft beer almost always has a higher abv than macro swill.

>>13224502
>but I'd do Port/Lost Abbey
Did this last time I was in the area. Probably will be sticking to things nearer to downtown this time since I won't have a car

>>13224520
Yeah, it's kind of out of the way.

I've been drinking a lot of this faggy looking shit, sounds weird but it's almost addictively taste, yet no one else I know seems to like it, anyone else tried it?

>>13224524
Oops forgot the pic

>>13224524
>>13224537
This juicy/hazy/milkshake crap is probably the most cancerous trend in modern craft beer.

>>13224566
no its not, its way the fuck better than the West Coast max bitter IPA trend it supplanted

>>13224504
I don't drink beer at all. I usually just drink vodka cocktails

>>13224587
Holy shit you couldn't be more wrong.

>>13224594
IPA overall has improved so fucking much over the last 5 years, turns out not boiling the hops for 2 fucking hours results in a tastier beer

>>13224566
It's just a flavour calm down, and it works

>>13224593
So make a Vodka boilermaker. That way you can get trashed and taste interesting things.

>>13223312
t.

>>13224606
Classic West Coast style IPAs have improved as well. The market was way oversaturated with the style 5 years ago and there were many mediocre ones. There were still lots of good ones then - and a ton now - but 90% of this NE style crap is not good.

>>13224566
I think it's better than the "lazy saison" or "I'm gonna put a bunch of coriander and orange peel in this pale ale and call it a saison" trend from the last two years

>>13224615
ok cletus

>>13224622
I can agree with that, though that was nowhere near as big.

>>13224621
>Classic West Coast style IPAs have improved as well
yeah, by becoming less like west coast IPAs and taking cues from hizy midwestern and murky NEIPA

>>13224632
>midwestern ipas
Yikes.

>>13224638
Toppling Goliath and Three Floyds were two of the very most influential breweries in the move away from West Coast IPA, even before NEIPA was a thing

Also Two Hearted still stands as the best old school IPA
What do you possibly have against midwestern IPA?

>>13224630
thank god some decent saisons are coming into style
my prediction for the next big meme in 2020 is weizens

>>13224650
>Two Hearted still stands as the best old school IPA
>this is what flyovers actually believe

Three Floyds has some decent stuff, but the midwest in general is WAY overrated compared to the West Coast/PNW; probably because midwesterners don't really travel a lot and spend a lot of time on reddit and ratebeer.

>>13224664
Midwesterners travel way more to the west coast than west coasties travel to the midwest, this makes no sense

Also, what old school IPA do you think is considerably better than Two Hearted, there are a very small handful that are arguably on par with it, none off the top of my head that are clearly better
>and spend a lot of time on reddit and ratebeer.
Talk about being overrated on the internet, I cannot believe how disappointing Pliny was when I finally had it. You fuckers had been hyping it up for years and while its not bad by any means its absurd how much hype you people gave it

>>13224678
Sierra Nevada Extra. It's really style heavy but better than their regular and more interesting than two hearted

>>13224664
>Three Floyds has some decent stuff,
Zombie Dust specifically may be the most significant beer in the trend against West Coast style IPA

You can make a very strong argument that the Midwest lead the charge away from old school West Coast hop varietals and boil schedules by being the first place to embrace hazy late boil hop additions and popularizing the move to citra hops and subsequent modern varietals, paving the way for NEIPA and away from California

>>13224678
Alesmith IPA, Green Flash West Coast IPA, and Port Mongo, just to name a few old school SD ones. I agree that Pliny is way overhyped; never had the younger, but there are a half dozen comperable IPAs even in NorCal.
>people travel more to the coast than they do to flyover land
No shit, dum dum.

>>13224708
>No shit, dum dum.
Then why did you literally just try and make the point that West coastie have a better perspective on beer made in the midwest than midwesterners who have to a much larger degree tried both places beer?

I was genuinely surprised when I have been in California how little penetration good beer has at grocery stores, restaurants and bars. There was definitely good stuff if you dug for it but you couldn't really count on happening upon it like I am used to, and generally had to go to craft beer centric destinations to find it

>>13224727
Coasties still travel more in general. I just thought it was funny that you were using, "Californians don't visit Indiana" as an argument for midwesterners having a better perspective.

>>13221933
What are you guys making now?
>>13223872
This is alright. Not as good as some of their other fruity beers, but it's still good.

>>13224743
>"Californians don't visit Indiana" as an argument for midwesterners having a better perspective.
It is when we are talking about perspective on American craft beer
To be fair though I credit Three Floyds more to Chicago than to Indiana. Its really the upper midwest where midwestern brewing culture is centered, The southern half of Indiana is basically the south

>>13224743
>Coasties still travel more in general
are there any actual numbers on this?
Like how many states an average coastie millenial has been to vs how many states an average midwestern millenial has?

>>13224775
>how many states have you been to
What would that even prove? I've driven I-80 from coast to coast half a dozen times and there's a ton of states that have absolutely zero culture.

>>13224786
ok, How many states people have visited or spent time in. You are focusing on the wrong part of my statement, my question is whether there any real data about how well traveled within the us millenials from various states are or are you just speculating

>>13224775
I’ve been to more foreign countries than US states.
I have a passport and California has everything I could find elsewhere in America.
Suck it up, flyover-friend.

>>13224801
You can go on voting demographics, which look at pretty much everything. Red states are lower educated and more rural. Of course they're also less traveled in general.

>>13224805
You are getting distracted. We are talking about perspective on US craft brewing

Also we are talking about broad swaths of people, no one is calling your specific credentials into question, I also have a passport, but have definitely been to more US states than foreign nations, as most Americans without ultra rich parents have

>>13224812
>Red states are lower educated and more rural. Of course they're also less traveled in general.
We are talking about the midwest, not "red States" Most of the midwest usually votes for democrat presidents, and is the most highly educated part of the country. It definitely is more rural than California's population since most of rural California is uninhabitable mountains and deserts but the large majority of its population is not rural

>>13224817
Different anon, but I've been to at least 20 countries, and twice as many states. My parents were typical middle class boomers. You're either very young or grew up very poor if you think you had to be ultra rich to travel.

>>13224827
>most of rural California is uninhabitable mountains and deserts
Confirmed for never having been West of the Mississippi.

>>13224833
You have to be quite rich to take your children to more foreign countries than to different states. I very much am not saying you need to be rich to travel or even to leave the US, but if you travel internationally more than domestically growing up you are almost certainly from an extremely rich, atypical family

>>13224838
California rural or urban is mostly inhospitable desert and mountains

>>13224827
>Most of the midwest usually votes for democrat presidents
The midwest =/= Chicago.

>>13224851
lol at posting the most absurd election result in 40 years when I clearly said usually

Look at every Obama, Bush and Clinton election. The vast majority of the midwest voted democrat and the ones that didn't were swing states

Trump won the midwest by tricking dumb ass union voters into abandoning their party, something no one else had ever done and still barely won most of those states

tldr, You have to vote for a Republican president more than once since 1984 to be considered a "red state" the word you chose to use

>>13224851
Flyover is a state of mind and Illinois certainly qualifies. Culturally Chicago has as much relevance as Milwaukee.

>>13224851
>grew up in CO
>CO was red
>then purple
>now blue
>leave CO

infested now with Californians who are fleeing the insanity of what they voted for...and are now turning CO into it all over again

>>13224871
I don't know, man. Going for Trump in 2016 kind of makes whatever else you did in the last three decades seem irrelevant.

>>13224871
>Trump tricking union workers
>democrats now completely support universal healthcare
>negates everything they've fought for

yeah ok Trump is the one tricking blue collar workers. Enjoy your new 3rd world poor working class

>>13224884
Its not my fault Hillary was a terrible candidate who basically never went to the midwest taking it for granted

The fact that she did take it for granted should tell you more than the fact that most democrats weren't even motivated enough to vote in the election because of how shitty she was

>>13224876
Milwaukee and Chicago are much more like each other culturally than the southern 3/4s of Illinois, and these areas make way better beer than California

>>13224899
>Enjoy your new 3rd world poor working class
luckily they are all boomers and dying soon and almost all of their kids went to college and have real jobs

>>13224913
>almost all of their kids went to college and have real jobs

>>13224913

you're acting as if its all over...no its just beginning. Democunts want open borders. Free votes and power. Repubs want it too. Thankfully they have to be beholden to Trump. For now...

>>13224914
They have. The midwest is the most highly educated part of the country. A fucking lot of working class boomers sent their kids to college, its almost unheard of to be a white millennial without a college degree in the midwest and it puts you at a massive disadvantage amongst your peers

>>13224936
Millennials everywhere have college degrees; that's part of the reason most of them can't find a job.

>>13224936

college is shit. at least 50% of college degrees are in communications and human studies. The midwest is fucked because of the debt incurred by kids getting education in these fields. What you call education, i call indoctrination.

>>13224952
ha, not in the south

>>13224962
Nobody cares about the South, whether you're talking about beer or just in general.

>>13224956
The midwest has a bunch of large excellent STEM focused schools. I don't have any data on it but I very much suspect that Caasties are more likely to have degrees in worthless humanities than Midwesterners are

>>13224974
Coasties just like to randomly mix in southern stereotypes with flyover ones and hope no one notices

>>13220569
I'm a piece of shit who only drinks Soju and Jaeger for myself.

However I want to get my Canadian sister a sampler of American beers for Christmas. I have access to a decent amount of liquor stores in my area, any reccomendations?

Mainly aiming for stuff that she couldn't easily get over there.

>thread devolves into a shitshow of bitching about Cali and the midwest
I just wanted to talk about beer. Might as well join in though.
>>13224986
Pretty much. People think WI is basically just cold Alabama. Never mind that we actually have good beer and less actual racism.
>>13224956
I definitely saw a bit of this and am happy I went for engineering, even if I am quite mediocre at it. Having a decent job in my 20s when other millennials are getting dabbed on is great.
Side note, as a Wisconsinite, I am very much looking forward to the shitshow that is the 2020 election where both parties see WI as a swing state and the DNC is going to be in Milwaukee.

>>13225255
not looking forward to the political advertising but the DNC should be interesting, can't complain about the city lifting the bar time to 4am for the week either

Why exactly do beer distributors go through such great lengths to say
>YO THIS BEER TASTES DIFFERENT! IT HAS MAPLE SUGARS AND AGED BOURBON ACCENTS!
When it still tastes the fucking same? Just fucking beer. I mean it does the job and the bottles are nice, but uh...beer just doesn't differ too much besides from levels of bitter aftertaste..

>>13225707
>When it still tastes the fucking same?
It does not

There are all sorts of wildly different beer styles. A NEIPA tastes nothing like a BA pastry stout tastes nothing like a lambic, and none of those taste like a shitty light lager

>>13225707
>beer just doesn't differ too much besides from levels of bitter aftertaste..
Pour some EKU28 in one glass and a Beliner Weiss in another then get back to me on that, anon.

>>13225740
The only thing that differs in a beer's style, is the scent. The pastry stout smells like candy, the lager smells like piss, and the NEIPA just smells like vague alcohol somewhere in the middle.

>>13225769
so you are saying beers within a style are the same? Ok sure, but thats simply because we have a fucking lot of defined styles, if a brewing act causes distinct flavors it is considered a new style

>>13225769
Get your tongue out of other guys' asses for a bit, anon, then your taste won't be so shitty.

I'm drinking this tonight. Has anybody else had it?

>>13220712
ok boomer
>>13220569
That actually looks good, I don't normally like fruited kettle sours that much.

>>13221593
Never put some cucumber and mint in water for a fresh summer drink? It will probably taste like that.

>>13226715
Oh it is good. Kinda salad-y at first, but when you get used to it, it is very refreshing. I would absolutely recommend.

So: what do you plan on drinking once you develop a hops allergy? It's coming -- for about 30% of us, at least.

From what I can gather, myrcene is the main culprit, and it's by far the most common terpene in hops.
New strains of genetically modified hops sans myrcene?
The rebirth of Gruit?
Or are we riding this IPA train until it derails completely and cocktails come back in fashion?

>>13226914
The fuck are you talking about bro. Source?

How many calories do beers actually contain?
Are stouts actually fattening?

>>13226914
>hops allergy
I hope so, fuck this dumb hop craze

>>13227087
Other than experimental shit like the guy you replied to posted (it's actually based on a centuries old recipe they found in a sarcophagus or something), all beer has hops. It's literally one of the 4 ingredients that defines beer. If you don't like hops you don't like beer. That said I have no fucking clue what that guy is talking about; most people these days who can't drink beer claim to have a gluten allergy/intolerance (and there's literally no good gluten free beer).

itt fags

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>>13227521
>>13227528
t. southerner

>>13227504
>Implying
Bere is made of malte, of hoppes, and water, it is a naturall drynke for a Dutche man. And nowe of late dayes it is moche vsed in Englande to the detriment of many Englysshe men; specyally it kylleth them the which be troubled with the colycke & the stone & the strangulion; for the drynke is a colde drynke; yet it doth make a man fat, & doth inflate the bely, as it doth appere by the Dutche mens faces & belyes. If the bere be wel serued, and be fyned, & not new, it doth qualyfy the heate of the lyuer.

So, I went to a large beer bar recently and had 3 flights. That's 12 different beers from all sorts of craft breweries........every single one of them was fucking awful.

The best beer I had was the Yuengling I used to wash out the taste of the garbage "stout" "red ale" "nitro" and every other fucking meme some cunt with a gross beards throws into a can.

i've had a load of kolschs but not an actual german brewed one, so i figured i'd check this out
it's good, tastes like a helles lager actually
also the cans are hilariously gay

>>13224827
No. Minnesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin vote blue. And I guess Illinois. If you look at any election map of the counties though every one of them is red except for the major city

>>13227564
You having a stroke?

>>13228383
Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois and Michigan is the heart of the midwest

>If you look at any election map of the counties though every one of them is red except for the major city
But these are rather urban states, the large majority of the people in the states live in urban and suburban areas.
Also for some reason most of the rural upper mississippi river area is also pretty democratic

I've got a brewdog elvis juice in the fridge and a serbian neipa

not drinking

>>13227504
Hops weren't a prevalent ingredient in beer until the 12th century. Prior to that gruit (herbal mixtures) were used. Some brewers still brew beers using gruit.

>>13228747
yeah, but today beer is legally defined as having hops, so if your goal is to buy beer at the grocery store without hops you are gonna have a bad time

>>13228675
>brewdog elvis juice
this has to be satire

>>13227528
>>13227521
>new things scare me, new popular things even more so
Ok boomer.

>>13228758
>legally defined as having hops
Not in the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruit

>>13229186
I am not seeing where in that article it mentions US beer labeling laws and whether gruit can be labeled as beer

Genesee is one of those regional brewers of cheap beer that does an extremely good job, especially with their seasonally. This stuff is excellent and costs the same as Genny Cream Ale

>>13228758
>>13229206
Nah, gruit is legally beer in the US, but that's not the issue. If there's no hops, it's regulated under the hard-ass FDA instead of the TTB. Nobody wants to be under that microscope, so brewers add a couple token hops pellets to the batch.

Gruit was the de-facto way to make beer for a LONG ass time. Back then beer had stimulant/psychotropic properties, with the Catholic church maintaining the bittering herbs. The Protestants were vying for power and spread hard propaganda against it, eventually pushing gruit out through merchant deals.

So I'm reading that Myrcene is the chemical that gives marijuana the "couch lock" effect. Is that true? Who here is a Professional MJ Inhaler?
I know there was a big backlash when hops were introduced, and maybe that's why. Makes sense from a guy-on-the-street perspective: your beer *was* balanced between herb stimulant and alcohol depressant, now it's double depressant. Perfect for protestant rule.

>>13229206
Did you see the long list of microbreweries that are making it and selling it as beer?

>>13230396
I don't know man, my understanding is that if you don't put hops in it legally is not considered beer and falls into a different regualtory category

This is not to say the breweries cannot do it, just that it is considered a different class of product, something that article does not address. I haven't researched it or anything though, thats just the impression I have from stuff I have read in the past, I could be wrong

>>13220569
How do I add vanilla beans to a beer? I just primaried about 4 gallons of stout, and I've got two vanilla beans to add. I'm planning on doing a secondary (never done one before) to try to get my beers clearer with less sediment than I've had in previous batches. So I'll add them during secondary next weekend.
But how? I've heard soaking them in bourbon and then dumping the beans + bourbon in the batch works, but how much bourbon do I use? I don't mind a little bourbon in the stout but don't want the bourbon to overpower the other flavors, so can I get away with just a few ounces of bourbon? Is that enough?
Or is there another way to add them while also sanitizing them? I've heard vanilla beans don't do well with being boiled/cooked.

>>13231400
if you want to avoid bourbon flavors vodka might be a better choice, I don't know much about this specifically but I imagine the purpose of the bourbon is to more easily dissolve some of the compounds in the beans and it would be the alcohol doing that so vodka should do the same without any flavor component of its own

>>13231564
thanks. Do you know how much I should use?

>>13220569

>>13230124
is there anywhere to find beer like that nowadays?

>>13228758
If you're under the Reinheitsgebot maybe. The Germans did well with those limitations but it's not something that needs to stick around in the world of abundance we have now. The use of barley itself is also kinda weird in the sense that normally you'd use whatever locally sourced grain you'd have on hand.

>>13231856
you posted this a while ago, did you drink any of those?

what up faggots its ya boy beerreviewer29302042 follow me on youtube and tonight i'm drinking pure everclear you fucking pussies

>>13231936
The weird farm house/foraged producers like scratch and wunderkammer. Maybe OEC.