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>Visiting Europe
>go to restaurant for dinner
>order water
>its served warm with no ice
>ask for ice
>server says they don't have ice maker

How common is this in Europe?

>> No.13204280

>>13204265
in germany where i live its mostly without ice except for american based restaurants and fast food chains. sometimes theres a slice of lemon in the water.

>> No.13204315

>>13204265
They have access to ice, they're just not interested in bending over backwards for some burger who complains about how his water is served.

>> No.13204322

>>13204315
>fuck Americans and their.... drinking cold water?

>> No.13204340

>>13204315
Personally as a proud European I drink my tap water HOT to spite the American dogs.

>> No.13204344

>>13204322
Do americans really do this?

>> No.13204345

>>13204315
literally no one complained in this story

>> No.13204426

>drinking cold water
Do Americans really...

>> No.13204430

>>13204345
Asking your server for a different kind of water is complaining.

>> No.13204445

Are you guys joking or is cold water something that is actually consumed in America?

>> No.13204448
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>go to europe
>order an ice fresh glass of water with a slice of life and plenty of chipped ice
>takes the waiter two and a half hours to get because he doesn't work for tips so he has no incentive to work hard
>a rather feminine footlocker employee approaches me and says OI MATE, YOU GOT A LOISCENSE FOR THAT CHILLY WATA THEN INNIT?
>mfw I never leave home without it
>entire restaurant stands up and awkwardly looks around since clapping is banned

>> No.13204453

>>13204430
No, it is not

>> No.13204462
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>>13204430

>> No.13204472

>>13204265
Just shit service to be honest
Go to better restaurants

>> No.13204475

>>13204430
>ordering what you want is complaining
New European detected.

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>>13204448
blew air out my nostrils

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>>13204430
>Asking your server for a different kind of water is complaining.
>Asking your server for your steak to be cooked differently is complaining.
>Asking your server to give you a napkin is complaining.
>soylet so piss-scared to ask servers, whose fucking job it is to give you what you want to eat and drink and to foster a decent dining experience, for something as simple as a glass of chilled water instead of room temp
how sad

>> No.13205066

>>13204448
>go to America
>order grilled fish
>have no idea how it is going to be cooked
>America. Flat top griddle is a grill
>America. Barbecue is a grill
>America. Grilled cheese sandwich cooked in a frying pan

>> No.13205267

>don't go anywhere
>be content
Woah, that was hard.

>> No.13205291

>>13204430
This is the most wagie thing ive read in a long time

>> No.13205351

>>13204265
another redditor pepe thread

>> No.13205359

>>13204265
Hitler never drank water that wasn't lukewarm or room temperature.

>> No.13205383
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>>13205066
>Be minding my own business at the restaurant
>Mfw a europoor orders a fried cheese, a barbecued fish, and a griddled rack of ribs

>> No.13205397

90% of the time tap water is served without ice

This applies to everywhere from cheap cafes to 3* michelin restaurants. It's not seen as an issue. Honestly the American obsession with 'ice water' and ice more generally is an anomaly globally.

>> No.13205435

>Visiting USA
>go to restaurant
>order water
>I'm shown the toilets

>> No.13205449

>>13205383
So you admit that Americans lack culinary skills? How can you cook something 3 distinctly different ways and call them all grilled? I suppose you think Yorkshire pudding is a dessert.

>> No.13205450

do they at least let it run a bit so it gets cool? my based well water is always cold after I let it run. I don't finna drink warm water

>> No.13205456

>>13205397
It is kind of weird. As a /lit/fag, you see generally the civilized world drank their drinks neet, w/o ice. Hell even the western pioneers drank their beer at cellar temp and their liquor straight.

>> No.13205629

>Visiting Europe
>go to restaurant for dinner
>order water
>it's served with a lead pipe
>ask for a straw
>server says they don't have regulations on water quality

>> No.13205639

>>13204265
The same thread again only with another topic.
Someone os seriously so butthurt of europeans he posts continually frog posts on /ck/ on how much he hates europeans.

>> No.13205644

>>13205629
>Visiting America
>go to restaurant for dinner
>order water
>told they only serve soda because they have to meet their HFCS sales targets

>> No.13205652

>>13204280
>american based restaurants a
In english the adjective comes before the subject, so it would actually be “based american restaurants”

>> No.13205667

>>13205652
Not if it is specifically referring to American restaurants.
You can have American French restaurants, but you can't have French restaurants and everybody to thinks they are in America.

>> No.13205675

>>13205667
*and expect everybody

>> No.13205691

No wonder nobody likes americans

>> No.13205712

>>13204265
>How common is this in Europe?

Ice makers are luxury items in Europe which the average restaurant owner can't afford.

>> No.13205716

>>13205667
>>13205675
>the joke
>your head

>> No.13205722

>>13204315
Aight

>> No.13205727

>>13204265
Why in the name of fuck would you want ice cubes (made from tap water) that melt in your high quality bottled water that you pay?

That’s the reason why we have fridges here, they ask you if you want a room temperature bottle (like your IQ) or fridge cold.

Are you really this dense overseas?

>> No.13205729

>>13205712
Never known a restaurant not to have ice in Europe. Scandinavia, however, if you as for ice, they sit you outside in the snow.

>> No.13205733

>>13204448
Good post

>> No.13205735

>>13205716
>your comprehension of the English language
>up your ass

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>>13205066
>America. Grilled cheese sandwich cooked in a frying pan
Grilled Cheese is a bongistani invention, when a broiling compartment in a "home cooker" was a grill.

>> No.13205755

>>13205739
Read this again. Try and understand. You may need some help from an educated adult.
>>13205066
>>13205449

>> No.13205760

>>13205727
Americans BTFO

>> No.13205762

>>13205739
>broiling
?
>Grilled Cheese
?

t.bong

>> No.13205765

>>13205755
Let me reword this so that your dumb meme addled brain can understand it
>britain: broiler oven is a grill

>> No.13205769

>>13205727
This is bait. Nobody adds ice to bottled water.

>> No.13205782
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>>13205762
Ask your grandmother.

>> No.13205783

Idk whats so abnormal about a waiter serving you water with ice or a bottle of water along with a cup of ice, usually in high end restaurants you'll get a cup of ice to go with some fancy bottle of water.

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>be American
>order large drink at drive through
>it's 75% ice
It's coke zero, just give me my aspartame and fuck off.

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>>13205769

>> No.13205793

>>13205765
Let me remind you about American cooking.
>America. Flat top griddle is a grill
>America. Barbecue is a grill
>America. Grilled cheese sandwich cooked in a frying pan
They can't all be a fucking grill. 3 different ways of cooking. Do you bake potatoes in a frying pan? Do you make custard under a broiler? Do you make toast in a Dutch oven? Americans are thick as shit when it comes to culinary skills.

>> No.13205795

>>13205788
Meme products from the home shopping network don't count.

>> No.13205800

>>13205793
You're the one who called a broiler a grill, you have no leg to stand on.

>> No.13205806

>>13205793
Ask the Americans what a green bean casserole is. You will piss yourself laughing.

>> No.13205809

>>13205793
Americans have a cultural context to know what another person means when they say "grill."

>> No.13205810

>watching cooking video
>how to cook grilled steak
>5min of prep
>ok lets go outside
>starts firing up a barbeque for some reason
>proceeds to cook on the barbeque
>grill is left comepletly unsed throght the whole process
>cant even use what i've learned because its raining for the next 6 months

i fuckin hate yanks

>> No.13205812

>>13205800
When did I say broiler? That is an American term. I only mentioned grills.

>> No.13205819

>>13205809
So every American that goes to a restaurant and orders grilled food is a fucking mind reader?

>> No.13205825

>>13205812
You brought up the Grilled Cheese, which is a British term.

>> No.13205836

>>13205806
>Ask the Americans what a green bean casserole is. You will piss yourself laughing.

Who the fuck eats that shit anyway? Least find something we like if you're going to rip on us lmfao.

>> No.13205846

>>13205825
yeah but its not you fucking mong

a """"grilled""""" cheese (actually fried) is called a toastie or cheese toastie in the UK

>> No.13205847

>>13205825
No it isn't. We have toasted cheese sandwiches, or cheese on toast.
Still trying to defend your grilled cheese sandwiches which are actually fried. Why don't you grill them on the barbecue?

>> No.13205849

>>13205819
"Grill" usually means barbeque grill, heat from below and slots for grease to drip through. Sometimes we call griddles grills too, but that's a low end restaurant thing to "grill" on a griddle. Grilled cheese is a colloquialism. You could make it on a barbeque grill if you want, but a pan is easier.

>> No.13205851

>>13205825
>You brought up the Grilled Cheese, which is a British term.

We call it a grilled cheese sandwich as well, so it's a British term, and?

>> No.13205852

>>13205819
No, they're just not retarded.
The people who refer to "barbecues" as grills insist that the term "barbecue" refers to the process of cooking on the grill. They roll their eyes and chuckle softly to themselves when an ignorant foreigner refers to the grill as a barbecue.

>> No.13205858

>>13205846
>a """"grilled""""" cheese (actually fried) is called a toastie or cheese toastie in the UK

it's sometimes put in a toaster oven or even a waffle iron, more than one way to cook it, never heard of anyone deep frying it though

>> No.13205862

>>13205846
>>13205847
Do note I said "at the time", as in the 1940s.
Take a close look at the cooker >>13205739 and see how it says "GRILL" in big red letters over the middle knob.

>> No.13205864

>>13204448
jej

>> No.13205872

>>13204315
It's not like they're in the hospitality business

>> No.13205884

>>13205862
>GRILL" in big red letters over the middle knob.

yeah thats the control for the grill
which is not where you make a ""grilled cheese"" which is why it's not called a ""grilled cheese"" by anyone whose brain isn't clogged with fat

>> No.13205892

>>13205884
That's where you made a grilled cheese because that's what grilled cheese was invented in.

>> No.13205902

>>13205836
OKAY.
Burgers. German
Frankfurters. German
Pizza. Italian
Cornish Hen. British chicken
Green bean casserole. Beans thrown into a tin of mushroom soup.
Puff Dogs. Shit imitation of sausage rolls.
American bread. Tastes sweet like cake.
You only have streaky bacon. We have streaky, back, middle and medallions. Oh and don't forget about the bacon joint.
Your cheese is weird. Even the more expensive stuff.

>> No.13205904

>>13205652
based

>> No.13205908

>>13205892
Where are you getting this? There's no sources that say Brits invented it.

>> No.13205915 [DELETED] 

>>13205847
If you grill things on the barbecue, why don't you grill your cheese sandwiches on it?

>> No.13205922

>>13205806
No one in America knows what that is

>> No.13205923

>>13205892
not accoring to the folowing recipes (top resluts from google)

https://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/best-ever-grilled-cheese
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/23891/grilled-cheese-sandwich/
https://www.delish.com/cooking/recipe-ideas/a19610233/how-to-make-best-grilled-cheese/

oh look they all involed frying
a grill is not involed once

holy fuck americans are dumb

>> No.13205928

>>13205923
>modern recipes
Shit nigga you dumb.

>> No.13205935

Do Americans ever grill their cheese sandwiches on a barbecue?

>> No.13205936

>>13205923
The real answer: cooking on a griddle (essentially a big dumb pan) is called grilling. It's literally the second definition.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grill

>> No.13205939

>>13205915
>If you grill things on the barbecue, why don't you grill your cheese sandwiches on it?

Petition to have the named changed then ffs to a pan fried cheese sandwich if you'd like. Yeah Americans are retarded captain obvious but Jesus Christ you Angloids are obsessed with us.

>> No.13205946

>>13205935
>Do Americans ever grill their cheese sandwiches on a barbecue?

Maybe about time i start.

>> No.13205951

>>13205939
We'll change the name when you change Worcestershire to Woo's'ter'sher, homo.

>> No.13205952

>>13205923
All from American websites.

>> No.13205958

>>13205928
show me the ancient mystic ""grilled"" cheese recipes that used a grill then knobhead

oh wait you can't you colesterol riddled shitstain what a surprise

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>>13205951
Get out of my office.

>> No.13205962

>>13205936
Fry me an egg.

>> No.13205965

>>13205939
Nos obsessed, just amazed at your lack of education.

>> No.13205969

>europeans obsessed
Every fridge in America comes with an icemaker but restaurant owners on Europe can't afford it

>> No.13205971

>>13205965
You've been educated on the cultural context behind our terms in this very thread. You're a waste of 4channel's bandwidth.

>> No.13205975

>>13205951
>We'll change the name when you change Worcestershire to Woo's'ter'sher, homo.

I didn't ask you to change the name, doesn't bother me, just suggested that if it bothers you so much that we call it what we do then petition to have the named changed.

>when you change Worcestershire to Woo's'ter'sher, homo.

Do you realize people in New England even from state to that state have their own dialect and pronounce shit differently than other parts of the US? *face palm*

>> No.13205978

>>13205958
Of course not, they didn't have the internet in the 1940s.
All I can do is tell you the origin of the name.

>> No.13205979

>>13205969
Why would we need it? We have less than 2 hot months a year.

>> No.13205983

>>13205936
using a actual respectable dictionary, instead of one on par with urban dictionary
>grill
>A device on a cooker that radiates heat downwards for cooking food.

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/grill

>> No.13205984

>>13205975
You changed Forecastle to F'o'c'sle, you can change Worcestershire to Woostersher.

>> No.13205986

>>13205965
>Nos obsessed, just amazed at your lack of education.

Yet you keep going on about it. :^)

>> No.13205989

>>13205971
>America
>Culture
Pick one

>> No.13205998

>>13205983
Your definition was on that page.

>> No.13205999

>>13205989
>you
>jealous
>obsessed
Pick all three, we can afford to be generous.

>> No.13206006

>>13205978
yeah no way something form the 1940s is on the internet

oh wait here is three 1940s cook books i foude in about 2min on google

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byqntdp7ki_iQjU4bnhWRmU4N00/edit
https://the1940sexperiment.com/100-wartime-recipes/
https://www.thehenryford.org/explore/recipes-and-cookbooks/cookbook/the-working-girls-own-cook-book/

arrogant, fat, stupid, the american way huh

>> No.13206008

>>13205999
Tell us about USA culture. Describe some indigenous USA meals.

>> No.13206018

>>13206008
>Americans have no culture

Hello Captain obvious to the rescue!!

>> No.13206022

>>13205979

You know that half of the US has similar weather as Europe? Many parts of the US only have a couple months of hot weather. The real difference here is that we have more spending money than Europeans. We own homes, cars, and furniture. Europeans rent those things.

>> No.13206023

>>13204315
This is what happens when a society bans tipping and guns

>> No.13206051

>>13206022
>We own homes, cars, and furniture.
*on credit

>> No.13206057

>>13205788
>Naturelle
>500ml
>American

>> No.13206060

>>13206022
>Europeans rent those things.

So Yuros rent appliances, etc just like our niggers do here? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

>> No.13206072

>>13206022
You do realise NY is on the same longitude as southern Europe? We don't have regular tornadoes or hurricanes. I've been to Arizona four times. We do not have dry heat like that, or the temperatures.
Europeans rent homes, cars and furniture? What information are you being brainwashed with?

>> No.13206080

>>13206051

After the credit is paid off, we own it. We don't have to return these items like Europeans do after renting.

>> No.13206085

>>13204448
Kek

>> No.13206091

>>13206080
Dumb Americans believe this?

>> No.13206097

>>13205066
I'm canadian and grilled cheese is often baked. To my ameribros, try it if you havent. You gotta make like 8 of them (family/friends) to make it worth firing up the oven but it's so much better. Coat the hell out of the exterior of the bread and butter and wala

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>>13206080
>After the credit is paid off, we own it

Do you have what is known here in the states as a Rent-a-Center?

>> No.13206109

everyone knows that lukewarm water is best for hydrating yourself

>> No.13206117

>>13206080
>buying goods on credit
Evil spiral. Many, many Americans die in huge amounts of debt.

>> No.13206126

>>13204315
This is why they will never be as great as the good old USA.

>> No.13206131

>>13206097
Retarded American now LARPING as a Canadian.
Just admit when you're beaten.

>> No.13206134

>>13206097
This sounds good. Thanks.

>> No.13206137

>>13206097
My mom had a big ass pan and used mayonnaise to make grilled cheese for all of us quick. Though I might try baking it sounds interesting.

>> No.13206144

>>13206126
Old USA? Are you actually aware of how many countries are older than the USA? You're basically a young teenager.

>> No.13206162

>>13206144
"Europe" is a postwar entity.

>> No.13206228

>>13206162
2 world wars have happened in Europe. Last one ended 1945. Of course we are post war. America also participated, so America is post war too. What is your point?

>> No.13206234

>>13206117

And that debt goes unpaid. The creditors get fucked lol.

>> No.13206237

>>13206228

America was destroyed by the war like many European nations were.

>> No.13206254

>>13206237
What has this got to do with a cheese sandwich cooked on a barbecue?

>> No.13206263

>>13206144
all of those countries became part of america in 1945 or 1991 learn2history

>> No.13206264

>>13206254
This thread is about ice, not cheese sandwiches.

>> No.13206280

>>13206263
Spain, Italy, etc. are in the USA? You are dumb beyond belief.

>> No.13206284

>>13206264
No. This thread is about dumb Americans.

>> No.13206295

A lot, if not all, of Europe is required to serve water. Not good water, just water. Just like Arizona is required to serve water.

As for the wars. Shut the fuck up. Economies rose and fell repeatedly. The second one happened because the first one ended inappropriately. Asia has been a mess since the first Word War because of poor handling. This isn't history, politics, literature, etc.

>> No.13206309

>>13204315
>burger asks about literally any difference between yurop and usa
>commence smug seetheposting with a hint of sour grapes

>> No.13206322

>>13204445
Lots of people I know drink cold water. At least once a week a coworker gives me shit for drinking it at room temp

>Buy 35pks of Bottled Water at Costco cause our tap water is worse than a dog pissing out a lead pipe and no amount of filtering makes it taste like anything other than iron
>Have a case in my office at work
>Coworker in socializing me about whatever dumb shit
>"You know we have a fridge, go put your water away I will do it for you"
>Tell them I'd rather it room temp cause I have sensitive teeth (Not a total like)
>Lol your so weird anon!

>> No.13206324

>>13205456
>people drank things without ice when refrigerators werent as prominent

Wow tell me more mindblowing facts from your fancy books mr huge brain

>> No.13206326

>>13206295
>the first one ended inappropriately.
How? Germany signed an armistice.
The second World War was started by Adolf's far left Nazi Party.
Now Germany are trying to take over Europe by political means instead of war.

>> No.13206349

Sod the history. Show me some barbecued cheese sandwiches.

>> No.13206355

that would melt before you get out of the house

>> No.13206357

>>13204265
>he drinks cold water

>> No.13206358

>>13206322
>our tap water is worse than a dog pissing out a lead pipe

just american things™

>> No.13206360

>>13206358
dogs piss out of their wieners

>> No.13206362

I really never understood why Euros hate water, and especially cold water so much

Constantly trying to scam you into buying fucking bottled carbonated water like any rational person would actually want that, then you talk them into bringing you tap water like a normal person they reluctantly bring you a tiny warm glass with an attitude and never refill it

>> No.13206374

>>13206362
So you're saying you can't handle alcohol, or not old enough to purchase it?

>> No.13206381

>>13206374
um, what?

Actually no, I was also drinking beer but given it was summer and I was walking quite a lot I wanted both

>> No.13206389

>>13204265
you went to a discount shit restaurant, didnt you? I've never had this issue before. Don't skimp on food

>> No.13206394

>>13206381
You order beer and water? Nobody does that. You want one or the other. You are a special kind of weird.

>> No.13206404

>>13206394
I do that if I am am thirsty. In america most restaurants give you water regardless of what you order otherwise

When I have been outside walking around all day I want to hydrate a bit, but I also want beer, seems pretty reasonable. I would gladly down a pint of water quickly and then drink my beer normally

>> No.13206417

>>13206404
So you order water to re-hydrate yourself and also order a beer which contains alcohol which dehydrates you. Are you on medication?

>> No.13206436

>>13206404
>>13206381
>>13206362
What is with the Reddit spacing. Have you migrated here as their site is so shit?

>> No.13206445

>>13206417
beer's mild dehydrating effects are exactly why it is good to drink water alongside it. Your complaints make no sense

Do you honestly think it is weird to want a quick real glass of water, not just fucking 100mL, when you have been out in the sun walking around for hours? And then do you seriously think that the fact that you will also be drinkings beer like a normal person suggests you shouldn't even try to hydrate when thirsty? This is absurd logic

>> No.13206448

>>13206436
you sound like an expert on reddit formatting just like everyone else that has never posted on reddit 24/7.

>> No.13206452

>>13206436
I've been typing like that on here before someone here even decided to call that reddit spacing. I haven't spent much time on reddit but I don't even think they type like this

>> No.13206454

>>13206144
The USA literally invented Democracy and freedom. Sit down, be humble.

>> No.13206455

>>13206374
>So you're saying you can't handle alcohol, or not old enough to purchase it?

No, anon is saying he'd rather not get jewed by paying $5 for tap water in a fancy bottle when anon could get that same tap water in a paper cup even for free.

>> No.13206462

>>13206144
very few extant nations date to before the US's founding. Now of course the land they exist on did, but honestly the very concept of nation states isn't that old

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13206469

>>13206454
>the USA literally invented democracy
They literally didn’t, dipshit.

>> No.13206474

>>13206445
Re-hydrate yourself.
Dehydrate yourself.
What don't you understand? American education is absolutely crap.

>> No.13206477

>>13206469
seething europoor lmfao

>> No.13206479

>>13206469
dude, I think he was joking. But they kind of did none the less

>> No.13206480

>>13206469
Proof? Oh, you don't have proof? Yea that's what I thought EU cuck.

>> No.13206486

>>13206454
Is that the same democracy that the democratic party stand by?

>> No.13206487

>>13206474
dude, if you drink a pint of beer and a pint of water you are more hydrated than you were beforehand

Having a beer does not suddenly make you less hydrated without regard to your other actions

>> No.13206492

>>13206486
Classic liberal Democrats, sure. Modern liberal Democrats are basically Socialists.

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>>13206477
>>13206480
>>13206479
Retards.

>> No.13206498

>>13206492
>Classic liberal Democrats
thats kind of an oxymoron

>> No.13206500

>>13206455
Who mentioned bottled water?

>> No.13206503

>>13206480
>EU
What?

>> No.13206505

>>13206494
yeah but that's not contemporary democracy which america invented. open a book.

>> No.13206506

>>13206462
Live in your Murrican bubble.

>> No.13206507

>>13206494
>Dude Athens was the first Democracy, even though elections weren't ope to everyone and slavery was still prevalent
Why are you so historically illiterate?

>> No.13206510

>>13206503
European Union

>> No.13206516

>>13206507
>historically illiterate
Fucking hell.
In any case England was the first modern democracy. That’s why US law is based on English common law.

>> No.13206518

>>13206494
They called Athens a Democracy, and romanticized historiography of that period inspired the people who founded America greatly, but by the modern concept of the term it was an oligarchy, only a tiny portion of rich men had a any political power

Now of course America didn't start with universal suffrage but it made a much larger effort toward democracy than any polity of its scope ever had before, it was the first place to seriously try what today we call democracy

>> No.13206525

>>13206510
I see.
I don’t think every European country is a European Member state though.

>> No.13206530

>>13206506
Name 10 modern nations that can trace their government back before the US constitution

>> No.13206532

>>13206516
>In any case England was the first modern democracy.
You got a license for that opinion, mate?

>> No.13206533

>>13206516
English common law has nothing to do with democracy, england was absolutely not a democracy when the US was founded

>> No.13206534

>>13206532
Don’t need one, not a bong.

>> No.13206535

>>13206505
Democracy that existed hundreds and hundreds of years before America was founded? That democracy?

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>>13204448

>> No.13206543

>>13206530
>name 10
Only one would matter in the case of this argument as the US did not invent democracy.
Work on your critical reasoning.

>> No.13206546

>>13206516
lol we told your gay king to shove a crumpet up his ass and then invented modern democracy in the process. stay mad.

>> No.13206550

>>13206533
England didn’t have an elected Parliament when the USA was founded?
Do they teach you this shit at school?

>> No.13206553

>>13206543
I think you are confusing two different conversations you are involved in bro

>> No.13206557

>>13206546
you do realize the US is a representative republic and not a democracy, correct? there is a difference.

>> No.13206558

>>13206550
The elected parliament of England at the time had almost no power. The king still had quite a bit of power, and even worse the house of "lords" had most of the rest

>> No.13206567

>>13206557
when people speak broadly of modern democracy they include republicanism within it

>> No.13206572

>>13206557
its as close to true democracy as you can get without causing unpopulated states like Montana from getting butthurt and seceding.

>> No.13206575

>>13206558
The restoration of the monarchy was by the consent of parliament, dipshit. If you’re going to argue on behalf of the USA please don’t fucking embarrass us with your ignorance.
Jesus wept......

>> No.13206590

Stop this shit. I want to see a barbecued cheese sandwich.

>> No.13206595

>>13206575
>was by the consent of parliament,
You realize the house of lords is not democratic, right? The Dutch conquest of England definitely loosened the power of the King, but only in favor of the equally arbitrary and undemocratic house of lords. It was still quite a while before the commons had any real democratic power

>> No.13206596

>>13206558
Actually parliament had more power than the king, that was a condition of restoring Charles II to the throne.
Prior to that there was the Magna Carta that kept the monarch in check. If anything the barons were the most powerful entity in England and they all agreed to submit to parliament.

>> No.13206604

>>13206595
The Lords abstained from the restoration of the monarchy.
They left it to parliament to decide.

>> No.13206607

>>13204445
If you ask for water at a restaurant 9 times out of 10 there's ice in it without having to ask

>> No.13206611

>>13206596
>Prior to that there was the Magna Carta that kept the monarch in check
It absolutely did not do this. King John had the pope negate it like 2 months later and it was in no way respected by future English kings. It was actually widely forgotten until the enlightenment and people started studying history at which point it started gaining at least some rhetorical influence, inspiring early American revolutionaries amongst others

>> No.13206612

>>13206604
the house of lords is part of parliament dude, and was the dominant house for most of its existence, well into the 1800s

It absurdly still exists today for some reason

>> No.13206625

>>13206611
>inspiring early American revolutionaries amongst others
Fake. US system is based on the Iroquois government.

>> No.13206626

>>13204265
>live in America
>go to restaurant when it's twenty below freezing out
>order a hot stew dish or clam chowder or something clearly meant to warm me up
>to drink ask for for hot coffee and water, no ice please
>get water with ice and the waitress disappears until my food is ready

Why do we do this? I live in a hot area most of the year and I get that most people want something cold most of the time but unless it's sweet tea in a pot the drinks come out of the machine cold already and adding water ice just dilutes it when it melts anyways. No ice should be the default, dammit.

>> No.13206643

>>13206612
Read it again:
>The Lords abstained from the restoration of the monarchy.
>They left it to parliament to decide.
This is a fact. The monarchy was restored by parliamentary majority.
The lords acquiesced to the commons and let the bill pass.

>> No.13206645

>>13206607
yeah, ice in water is the default in America, not something people need to request.

>> No.13206651

>>13206518
>They called Athens a Democracy, and romanticized historiography of that period inspired the people who founded America greatly, but by the modern concept of the term it was an oligarchy
No, Athens was a democracy. Suffrage was nowhere near universal but every free Athenian man could vote. An oligarchy is where a small cabal rules the state to the exclusion of any general voting body.

>> No.13206656

>>13206643
The house of Lords is part of parliament, the dominant part for most of history. The whole fucking English Civil war and subsequent Dutch conquest of England under William of Orange was all about the struggle between the powerful lords in Parliament vs the king, It was never about democracy, it was about what rich hereditary rulers were in charge and how that power was shared amongst them

The house of lords didn't lose its power to the commons until 1911

>> No.13206665

why do americans like the EXTREME version of everything? wings have to be HOT, water has to be ICE COLD, oreos need to be DEEP FRIED, etc.

>> No.13206672

>>13206651
>but every free Athenian man could vote
You had to be 20 also, which is kind of like being 30 today, also only people born there could vote and a huge percent of the population were slaves, also because of constant war there were considerably more women or men so we are talking maybe 10-20% of the population being able to participate

>> No.13206717

>>13206672
Yeah. If I remember correctly there was something like a 4:1 ratio of slaves to free Athenians, and that included the women and children. Suffrage was very limited but that doesn't make it an oligarchy. Within the franchised class everybody had a vote, which is by definition democratic.

>> No.13207130

>>13206131
It's literally the same thing.
>American: grill
>Canadian: grill
Seething countrylet.

>> No.13207286

>>13204315
R E N T F R E E

>> No.13207292

>>13204430
This guy is 100% correct. Americans are entitled cry babies, just drink the fucking water

>> No.13207309

>>13204265
On my trip to Italy it was incredibly common for the drinks to have no ice. And this was in the middle of the summer during a heat wave. The only place I went that ever had anything close was a shitty little hole in the wall in Rome called the Brillo Grillo, which served our drinks in chilled glasses that were so cold the bit of liquid that first hit the bottom of the glasses ended up freezing and floating up to the top as its own ice. Ironic that the cheapest little place we went to went through the most effort.

>> No.13207584

>>13204340
Gay as fuck. I boil mine in a kettle (which only takes a minute as we have a masculine amount of volts, unlike the feminine 110 of the USA) and pour it down my wifes blouse.

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>>13204430
Fucking kek.

>> No.13207638

>>13206097
it's still not as good though
I remember one time I was really hungry and made a full pan of them in the oven
god I don't know if I've eaten a grilled cheese since then
nothing but old grilled cheese for two days

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>>13204265
>be American
>talk ebonics

>> No.13207681

>>13205729
All restos I worked at, just give you a bottle of water. Which has been cooled in the fridge.

>> No.13207781

>>13204315
I always thought it was a meme, but Americans really do live rent-free in euro heads don't they.

>> No.13207783

>>13204322
kek

>> No.13208312

>>13206454
>American education

>> No.13208319

>>13205729
>Scandinavia, however, if you as for ice, they sit you outside in the snow.

what, no we dont. our water is pretty much always served with ice and a lemon slice incase you want some shitty lemonwater

>> No.13208323

>>13204265
Rare.
What country were you in?

>> No.13208357

>>13204448
>go to freedomland restaurant
>get served a glass of tapwater pumped with fluoride and estrogen
>come back to Europe an autist and a tranny

>> No.13208801

>>13204265
its way more healthier to drink water warm or atleast not cold but take a look at burgertardland, your country is like 70% overweight, you guys give a fuck bout your health so to speak its hilarious how the jew brainwashed your people

>> No.13208844

>>13204265
Is tap water free in Europe? Like if you go to a restaurant and ask for tap water will they give it to you for free? I always thought this was the case but my cousin who's been to Europe says it's not.

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>>13204315
>>13204426
>>13205066
>>13205435
>>13205449
>>13205435
>>13205691
>>13205760
>>13205784
>>13205809
>>13205806
>>13205810
>>13205846
>>13205922
>>13205989
>>13206091
>>13206228
>>13206284
>>13206469
>>13207292
>>13207676
>>13208357
t. seething Eurofags

>> No.13209037

>>13208844
Would you really want to drink third world quality tap water?

>> No.13209101

>>13206022
>We own homes, cars, and furniture. Europeans rent those things
>pays his bank and government for half of his lifetime

>> No.13209162

>>13208323
Fictonia

>> No.13209191

>>13204265
Can I ask an honest question? Why, in Europe and France in particular, does the waiter not immediately bring you a glass of water once you're seated at your table? You're there to consume, most people drink water pretty consistently.

>> No.13209216

>>13204445
who the fuck doesn't drink cold or cool water?

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>>13208991
Based and snippedpilled

>> No.13209796

>>13209216
People that actually drink water.

>> No.13209832

why the fuck would he have an ice maker

>> No.13209842

>>13209315
$7000 plus tip

>> No.13209849

>>13209842
heh

>> No.13209909

>>13209842
lol

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>>13204448
FNP
fucking nice post

>> No.13210938

>>13205806
Is it really that good of a joke or are you just a boring person? I don’t think it’s going to be that funny.

>> No.13210956

>>13205923
Wow a colloquial term doesn’t make sense to foreigners what a shock! I bet you think we really mean that cats and dogs are falling from the sky when a hard rain comes through! You know different dialects use different words differently, right? Are you really being elitist over this? This is what I hate /ck/ it’s the most elitist board on 4chan and it’s always over food and words. The most mundane bullshit ever.

>> No.13210987

>>13206091
You’ve never owned anything so I’ll explain. Jeff has a car you want. You set up a payment plan with your bank and they buy the car. You pay the bank until the agreed money is paid then you own it. If you lease a car, or rent furniture through rent a center, that is not a loan and you won’t own it. Rent is in the name how do you confuse that?

>> No.13211000

>>13206374
He’s saying he doesn’t drink alcohol with every meal, Hans.

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>> No.13211026

>>13210956
>frying is a colloquial term for grilling
Retard.

>> No.13211041

>>13211026
Grilled cheese is a regional term for a specific food, not an indicator for how it’s prepared. People also call carbonated beverages soda or pop. Some regional areas call every drink Coke. Even Pepsi and Sierra Mist. I know grilled sounds like it should be grilled but there has to be stuff in your country or local dialect that doesn’t exactly make sense either.

>> No.13211121

>>13208357
Imagine getting ass pained from such a goofy comment.

>> No.13211182

>>13208801
>actually believing the temp of water makes it healthier

European education everyone. Remember this is a continent of people who still smoke cigarettes as if it's not pure cancer
>>13206374
Not everybody is a slave to the liquid Jew Hans

>> No.13211213

>>13211026
To be fair, if you go to east central Wisconsin, specifically the Sheboygan area, people indeed refer to grilling as frying. You will constantly hear reference to "brat fries" or "fryouts"

Interestingly this does not seem to extend to other parts of the state, even Milwaukee a mere 45 minutes south does not do this besides for an occasional reference to brat fry

Also interestingly people in Sheboygan call sloppy joes "hot tamales" for some reason

>> No.13211222

>>13211182
Its actually fucking crazy to me as an America how much people smoked in Europe

>> No.13211528

>>13206126
The USA fucking sucks. Run by corporations and all the politicians are their corrupt lap-dogs. Not to mention backwards Christians trying to force everyone to live by their personal religious beliefs by signing them into law.

>> No.13211594

>>13211528

And Europe isn't run by corporations and corrupt politicians? There are European countries that make you buy TV licenses and ban you from owning guns/knives. Your politicians are using """"global warming"""" as a means of taxing you more and making you buying inferior/less efficient products. Your politicians are allowing muslims to storm into your countries. You are so heavily taxed, the majority of people in Europe don't own homes or cars.

>> No.13211612

>>13211594
>There are European countries that make you buy TV licenses and ban you from owning guns/knives.
>bongland
>European

>> No.13211640

>>13211528
>Run by corporations and all the politicians are their corrupt lap-dogs
Europe is even worse when it comes to politicians and regulations being bought by business interests. So much of European food law specifically is designed to fight foreign business to favor local ones with a thin facade of safety

>> No.13211658

>>13211640
>So much of European food law specifically is designed to fight foreign business to favor local ones with a thin facade of safety
Like what?

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>>13211658
like banning GMOs

something all scientists agree is a bad idea

>> No.13211843

>>13209842
Fucking hell, lol.

>> No.13211912

>>13211612
What is wrong with what he wrote?

>> No.13211961

>>13211594
Global warming/climate change is an indisputable fact and if you haven’t accepted that by now you either haven’t been paying attention or you’re just deluding yourself to avoid a frightening truth.

>> No.13211977

>>13211961
Global Warming is a fact, but politicians being able to do something about it if only you give them more money is definitely not

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>>13211961
>an indisputable fact
You're late to the race, you retard. There's no such thing.

>> No.13211982

>>13211961

>fellow Europeans, let's pay more in taxes, ruin our economy, and not drive cars! That will stop India and China from polluting and causing global warming!

The average European, ladies and gentlemen.

>> No.13212010

>>13211982
>everybody is doing stupid shit so I should do stupid shit too
You’re a fucking idiot.

>> No.13212022

>>13211982
>timmy's mum doesnt make him eat vegetables!
>i shouldnt eat them either, if they were good for you then timmy's mum would say so!
>im a big boy using facts and logic

>> No.13212054

>>13212010

What major European countries are doing is a drop in a bucket compared to china and india. I find it funny the average european live like the niggers and white trash of the US. You live in small apartments/homes you rent and rely on public transportation because of "muh global warming" and you can't afford cars.

>> No.13212088

>>13212054
My European friends frequently ask me why I don't take the bus; when I live in a larger town that has no buses, taxis, bike trails, and few walking paths. They just don't seem to understand that everyone here is expected to own a car.

>> No.13212117

>>13212088

It is hard for them to understand. I bought my first car at 16 years old. When I want to go somewhere I just go. I don't rely on a bus or train schedule. In the US, we can afford these things. Home ownership is something bizarre for them too.

>> No.13213357

>>13205727
>high
>quality
>bottled
>water

>> No.13213847

>>13211961
nice bait

>> No.13214150

>>13213847
>facts are bait
'k

>> No.13214218

>>13205629
>ask for a straw
are you a baby?

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>>13211961
global warming is NOT an indisputable fact.

Climate change is weather. The climate on this planet is always changing everywhere. human caused climate change is disputable.

>> No.13214331

>>13204265
They don't have ice in Eastern Europe anymore since the old woman with the recipe died.

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>>13213847

>> No.13214436

>>13214310
Literal retard.

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>>13214310
>"climate = weather"
You aren't allowed to be this stupid.

>> No.13214474

>>13206326
>How?
All of Europe raped Germany with reperations. It was so bad that people were desperate enough to follow a madman

>> No.13214810

>>13207594
>using fuckfuckgo
>using jewgle on top of that
Ishygddt