/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Starvation is the secret to weight loss. That's why anorexia works so well.

>>13187025
intermittent fasting has become very trendy, so many people think they can eat whatever the fuck they want and as long as they don't eat for the rest of the day, they're good. That's not the case, you have to figure out how many exact calories you need to be eating to achieve your goal, still eat relatively heathy but still in large amounts. You'll see people eating 15 McD's meals and call it intermittent fasting but that's not the right way to do it

>>13187025
it's retarded and has no scientific basis, and does nothing but complicate the relatively basic principles behind weight loss.
>calories in/calories out is a bad way to understand weight loss
Calories in/out is literally how the body actually works, it doesn't matter if you're skipping meals, using meal replacements, fasting x days then eating for x days, if you aren't reducing your calorie intake to below your maintenance rate, you aren't losing weight.
To do 'fasting' properly, you still need to track your calories. If your maintenance rate (excluding all exercise for this simple example) is 2500 per day, and on day 1 you eat 0 calories, then eat 5000 the second, you're just averaging out to a 2500 intake over the 2 days, which means you lose 0 weight.
Anyone capable of ensuring their average intake over their on/off periods is enough to lose weight, might as well just do it on a daily basis.
It's reddit incarnate, complicated unscientific bullshit dressed up as a fad to pat themselves on the back where any weight loss is almost surely an incidental benefit of stopping their intake of soda, ice cream and garlic bread.

>>13187074
its like you didnt even watch the video

>>13187074
The argument is that your body doesn't burn calories at a consistent or static rate. Your body's hormones have a lot of influence on how much your body burns and where it burns from. Therefore, focusing on strategies that adjust this or that hormone is better than simply reducing your caloric intake and increasing your calories burned.

yeah it's by far the best thing I did for diet and health

I only do fasting insofar as skipping breakfast, and often lunch. Eating makes me feel bloated and slow so I try to skip it at work

>>13187756
smart man

>>13187025
I managed to gain weight on OMAD because my cravings were so high I'd eat shit every day. Meanwhile more recently I iust had eggs for breakfast, protein shake for lunch and meat rice veggies for dinner and losing weight and building muscle much more sustainably

>>13188800
Interesting. Thats not what most people experience with omad.
Have you tried GOMAD?

>>13187025
works 100% if you are white, 0% if you are asian, don’t know about the other mud races

>>13187025
>The idea behind fasting is complex
Not really. From the video and the few bits of research I did out of curiosity it just shows that hormones affect your hunger. The problem is finding
>the right times to eat
>the right things to eat
>willpower
So basically the same as Calories in/calories out.

>>13187074
>it's retarded and has no scientific basis
You've never read a research paper or medical journal in your life, have you?

>>13187074
When you binge you don't actually digest all that food though. A lot of it just gets pushed through.

So let's take a radom and terrible example and say you're going to eat nothing but 12 hamburgers over a 24 hour period. If you eat one every two hours your body will digest and absorb most of the energy in each one, having time to digest them as they come.

However, if you eat nothing for 23 hours and then gorge on 12 hamburgers in one sitting, you will still be taking in the same number of calories but your gut bacteria can't break it down and process it nearly fast enough and in the end you'll shit out a lot of that food still undigested.

It's terrible and a waste if food, but that's why it works.

ya its the best way to lose weight

>>13187074
Typical 4chan contrarian post
>Popular BAD
>Purist approach GOOD

>>13187025
CICO worked fine for me. What stuck was 5-7 small meals of 200-300 kcal each with the occasional bigger meals. I guess if you consider 16:8 intermittent fasting I've been unintentionally doing it many days. Down over 40 kg.

>>13187025
Listen to Terry crews talk about it. It's nothing more then a calorie deficit.

>>13187025
That's not why intermittent fasting works. Fasting is a tool that makes eating in a deficit easier for some people (emphasis on some). If you stuck to lets say 2000 calories a day, some might prefer to eat two 1000 calorie meals later in the day because they feel more satisfied with larger meals, while another person might actually have an easier time eating 4 500 calorie meals. What ultimately matters is whether or not you are in an energy deficit.

If you burn 2000 calories in a day, it doesn't matter if you eat 2000 calories over 10 meals or 1 meal, you won't lose weight. Hormones complicate things a bit, but at the end of the day you can not break the laws of thermodynamics.

>>13189648
Congrats! 40kg is massive! How big were you at the start and how big now?

>>13189715
Fairly tall, almost 190 cm, but at 120kg I was considered obese. Down to 79~ or so now, in the middle of normal weight land. Could still lose a few more kg but building some muscle is probably more relevant now. Not been in a hurry, took several years.

>Eat small healthy meals below my caloric intake
>If I get the craving for fast/garbage food eat it while drinking a lot of water
>Throw it up directly after
>Doesn't hurt my throat becasue I just ate it and there's no stomach acid
>Still getting healthy meals in

This is the true way to weight loss, eat healthy and when you binge just throw it up right after.

Literally no downside.

>>13187025
I would still go with CICO.
Even if I only eat one meal a day, if I'm not careful and count everything I end up eating more than my TDEE (unless I restrict carbs)

>>13188800
I've been doing OMAD for around 2 and a half months and dropped 35 lbs. You just need to eat one meal a little bigger than the average lunch/dinner a normal person would eat and you drop weight like crazy.

>>13188872
>in the end you'll shit out a lot of that food still undigested

Source? Even when I binge I don't really notice any difference in the frequency/type of poop

It’s great bros. Started the year off at 210 and down to 160, been doing a 22:2 schedule and doing 30 minutes of running every day.

>>13187025
I believe you need to restrict both the amount you eat and the times that you eat and walk or do some sort if exercise, even if its light for this (intermediate fasting) to work. >Ps. it does

>>13187025
It's unhealthy, and causes muscle loss before fat. Just limit calorie intake.

>>13190361
Just need to be in a calorie deficit then, makes sense

>>13187043
So, it works because you track your calories and not because of some magic voodoo where if you only eat them at certain times the energy goes somewhere else

>>13187025
Fasting occasionally is fine, but if you do it too often it fucks with your body. Your body thinks there's an external famine, so it slows down your metabolism and releases cortisol to make it hold on to any available calories. You're also more likely to wind up binging if you fast too much. Long term it's better to just get into the habit of portion control and regular exercise.

>>13191047
Yeah, just eating one time a day and no snacks makes it really easy to control your intake. I used to skip breakfast anyways and just eat lunch/dinner. Now i just eat around 2-4pm once and it only took about a week to adjust to it.

>>13190510
Post your source

>>13187025
lost 100lbs doing it, would recommend

>>13187034
"Prioritizing hypoglycemia" – low insulinogenics are correlated with increased GH, reduced DHT, and increased T (which, even in women, increases sensation, libido, and orgasm), and hungers are associated with energy homeostasis, cholinergic-dopaminergic rewards, neurotrophy, et al. (and are required for rewards from food and alcohol).