/ck/ - Food & Cooking

American-Italian food is not Italian food

>>13170951
American-Italian food is better than Italian food most of the time. Chicken on pasta bianco shouldn't be some great offense.

>>13170943
>The French have none of these dumbass rules.

lmao what?

>>13171098
name one rule in french cooking about any french dish that seems arbitrary

>>13171122
Butter

>>13171123
...and what is the rule?

>>13171122

Beurre noisette requires butter.

>>13171148
Of course it does: the first word ("beurre") is literally "butter"

>>13171148
A butter sauce requires butter. That's not arbitrary. That would be like saying an omelette requires an egg.

>>13171123
Butter is always legitimate

t.frenchman

>>13171158
>>13171165
>This arbitrary requirement is okay b-b-because

The fucking state of Fr*ncophiles

>>13171199
>hurr this guy puts chicken in his roast chicken
That's you, that's what you sound like.

>>13171128
Butter

>>13171226

Now you're just calling me a retard instead of arguing the point.

>>13171240
The point? What point? That you called a primary, KEY ingredient of a recipe ((((((arbitrary))))))?

That absolutely makes you a retard, you fucking retard.

>>13171240
Yeah you're a fucking moron

>>13170943
Retard.

>>13171306
Name one thing retarded about the post, I bet you wont

>>13171248
>>13171258

How fucking rude.. I hate this board.

>>13170962
t. non italian

>>13170943
Italian people are also arrogant and obnoxious. Just let them be and disregard anything that comes out of their mouth. They have nothing else but their false sense of superiority.

>>13171457
well, yeah

>>13170943
OY VEY ITALIAN GOY HOW DARE YOU HAVE TRADITIONS AND CODED RECIPES?

There’s only one cuisine: the human one.

Just be like the other countries and let foreigners influence and destroy your traditions and identities, be like France that has no arbitrary rules and nowadays is filled with Africans and black people.

Isn’t it better???

>>13171838
>t. American whose country forced globalism on the rest of the world

WEW lad

Tomatoes and wheat arent italian, the former didnt even reach the wops until the Columbian Exchange

Fuck Shitaly, fuck yuropeons, alhamdulillah

brits do better italian food than italians
spag bol is great because it has garlic in it
yet if you ask italians about it they get upset because garlic apparently doesn't belong in ragu allah baloney or whatever the fuck they call it

Rules are made to be broken but are also a framework within which to learn the experience needed to know when to bend or break them.

They also represent pride and attention to detail. I'd take a Neapolitan pizza over a NY plain slice every time.

>>13170943
The simple thing you always fail to understand, as low IQ animals, is that we don’t get upset because you made carbonara with bacon instead of guanciale (we also do this too you’re not special) but the difference is that I don’t sell this “variation” as carbonara to other people who then go around telling other people how “that dish of carbonara sucked ass” because they didn’t eat the real recipe, and in this case it makes sense.

Put bacon in your pasta with eggs, put peas too if you want but DO NOT call it a carbonara. Create your own name or, even better, a proper cuisine.

Now fuck off.

italian cooking and cuisine is absolute trash, don't think I've had anything worse
fuck that

>>13170962
based, american-anything food is generally better than the original. It's hilarious that anyone tries to dispute this, USA is literally the most significant country in the world. Wonder how it feels to be assblasted about a country all the time

Reminder that Italy wouldn't have their cuisine without Central America

>>13171967
except french cuisine is specific with plenty of tradition and coded recipes except the recipes aren't full of arbitrary garbage. Chinese cuisine too (except for washing meat, iono why they like to wash meat)

>>13172064
changing one fatty pork product for another fatty pork product shouldn't change the entire fucking dish. You don't have to create an entirely new word for Duck Confit if you change up the seasoning.

>>13173177
Chinese cuisine is mostly slop, except for Cantonese.

i prefer american style pizza over the traditional one. i love to going to one of those hipster pizza joint that puts in stuff like sriracha. shits delicious

>>13170943
Italians and their cuisine are a joke. Total bullshit

>only chef Gino from La Bottega de Luigi in Padua and my grandma do it right

fuck off shitalians

>>13172064
and this is exactly italians are a fucking joke. You need to accept that original, authentic carbonara does not exist, and if anything it comes from America. Even philipino carbonara is better than your salmonella style bullshit!

>>13170943
Italian and Japanese food are my favorites get fucking triggered you contrarian fucks.

These bait threads are stale, /ck/ is boring now

>>13172772
>USA is literally the most significant country in the world. Wonder how it feels to be assblasted about a country all the time

I AGREE SO MUCH

>>13170943
>Is there anything more of a LEGITIMATE meme than italian cooking?
American cuisine

>>13171974
>forced

You willingly took it from us and love every second of it.

>>13171122
>champagne can only come from champagne because then it wouldn't be champagne

>>13171974
muh blobalism

>>13171248
>((()))
Newfag

>>13170943
fuck off

>>13171981
>white people and negroes aren't american, neither reached...

>>13170962
Americans have made all food better and that's just a fact. American-Chinese food is a prime example of that

>>13175465
but that makes sense though, it's not saying you can't make Champagne elsewhere, it's just saying that if it's not from Champagne then it's not legitimate.

>>13175605
if you take a scotch distillery and move it and use the same recipe then its the same damned thing

>>13175529
Not an argument, boomer

>>13175599
Nope but cope harder, it's good for you.

>pizza and pasta are the only italian dishes I know
>must comment on italian cuisine anyway because I saw few youtube carbonara videos
fuck off numale

>>13173468
???

You can enjoy regional food and still criticize the way they make certain dishes

>>13175694
no it isn't, the main characteristic of scotch is that its whiskey... made in scotland. That's literally it.

An American owned company in America can't make a Japanese car in an American factory.

>>13175822
italians also have dumb rules for soup

>>13171240
The point is that you're a retard, retard

>>13170943
Why do americans enter such strong frothing rage when they get exposed to traditions and culture?

>>13177077
Relatively young country
No real history, no past glory to revel in.
They never had empires or that kind of shit.

>>13173184
>You don't have to create an entirely new word for Duck Confit if you change up the seasoning.
But you can't call a steak without pepper a steak au poivre. If you change the sauce of a pasta dish named after the sauce, it's not the same dish.

>>13170943
Just because they copy each other doesn't make it a meme.

>>13170943
>I mean that italian food, made by italians, is such a specific thing without any regard to taste, texture, or ease of creation
stopped reading there. you don't have a fucking clue about food, pathetic heathen

Chicken is pasta is atrocious though, I don't see why people do that. I've always thought that and it turns out Italy thinks so too. There are some things that are okay - I will put garlic in my bolognese, for instance.

>>13177511
Italy is full of shit. They put duck in pasta, but you can't use chicken? There's zero justification for that. It's a nonsensical taboo that thankfully no other country cares about.

>>13172772
>>13175599
>It's better because I say so
Kek

>>13175701
>haha, you couldn't come up with an argument that counters my racial slur
galaxy brain

>>13170962
lmao.
I know americans are coping but to tell you the truth: all your money cant buy you good taste and the entire world is looking down on you and your fake food

>>13177543
maybe it has a purpose but it simply eludes your processed food fed mind?

>>13170943
You can change any Italian recipe however you want to but you can't call it by the same name because it's not the same.

>>13176589
Which are?

>>13177077
Superiority breeds jealousy.

Also Italo-americans who go around naples and scream commendatore only to be told to fuck off back to jersey and get assmad about it.

>>13177543
I use chicken in some of my rice based recipes but not on the pasta ones because the consistency and texture is shit,compared to beef and pork

>>13178502
But dude,my cheddar,bacon sriracha amatriciana is just like the original dude,i slonked some gangweed before making it trust me dude

>>13178256
And Sgt. Beef Fist looks down on you when you have to walk past an American military installation on your way to the Muslim re-education camp- I mean school.

I'm kind of happy Dutch cuisine is considered so bland and uninteresting by foreigners that there isn't an extravagant Americanized version of it I'd get all asshurt about.

>>13178513
>>13177077
Why do Europeans need to CONSTANTLY bring up America as the control when comparing cuisines? Is it because America is the gold standard or something?
>>13177110
We have an empire right now. We own you.

>>13178792
I THINK that it's just a bit of a culture shock for people that things they regard as subtleties of their cuisine get disregarded in their adaptations overseas. I know it sounds somewhat autistic but I guess it feels like someone made a nice goulash and someone else just throws mayonnaise in it. Or how people from certain places in the US get really mad when you put ketchup on a hotdog or something. I don't really care either way, you do you.

>>13175694
If you make Islay not on the Islay island then it's not real Islay scotch made in Islay anymore. What's hard to understand?

>>13176584
A Japanese car isn't necessarily Japanese because it's made in Japan.
You can manufacture a Honda in the US and you wouldn't call it an American car now would you.

>>13178787
Chinese, Italian, and Mexican food are the biggest victims of Americanization by far.

>>13178792
>Is it because America is the gold standard or something?
Fuck no!

>>13171148
This was a but retarded if u look back

Italian food might or might not be a meme, but American interpretations on Italian dishes are often crap.
If you have normal taste buds you should understand why aj Italian pizza is better than the American interpretations. It is supposed to be a well balanced dish, the base, the tomato sauce, a reasonable amount of cheese and sometimes some other toppings.
Compare this to the American versions that drown in cheese and fat, sausage and barbecue sauce.

Have you ever seen Japanese or Korean pizza? It's ridiculous, right? The way you think about Korean pizza is the way a European thinks about American pizza.

>>13177576
>assblasted

I went to Italy and France last summer.
Italian pizza is literal shit, but gelato was good. All the french food I had was amazing, and I was surprised at how welcoming they were after I heard so many stories online from angry tourists.

>>13180438

stop replying to my post

>>13170943
> Is there anything more of a LEGITIMATE meme than italian cooking?

No, italian cuisine is the least meme cuisine you can find.

You seam to contradict yourself. You said there's no regard in pretty much anything but then you write there are rules.

> >>13170943
> Is there anything more of a LEGITIMATE meme than italian cooking?

>Stuff like not putting garlic in carbonara
garlic in carborana taste vile. In your opinion it taste good.
You want to put garlic in carbonara? Call it carbonara with garlic or give it another name.
Because if i read carbonara in a restaurant a want a fucking carbonara, not what you think a carbonara is.

> considering splochy pizza the only type of pizza.
You're wrong you mongoloid.
there are at least two major types of pizza: Napoletana and Romana.

Those are of course miles better of your ny style sugary, cheese burnt pizza or chicago casseruole.

> The French have none of these dumbass rules.
You're kidding? The french were one of the first to "code" a formal cuisine (the 4 base sauce)
You want a meme cuisine? Talk about the japanse 10 year of rice cleaning, the 15 "eight shape" movemente in matcha or the tamagoyaki that you eat as a plate cleansing.

Your post is full of shit, you clearly don't know what italian cuisine is aside from the greaseball italian wannabe.

>>13181183
funky formatting

>>13178257
No, it doesn't. It's a pointless rule followed uncritically by people too fearful to question tradition, such as yourself.

It's easy to determine how nonsensical the prohibition is. Simply ask people why it exists. Why should pasta and chicken not be combined? You will get different answers from everyone, as it's all post-hoc reasoning.

>>13181296
Because chicken with pasta is fucking shit, retard

>>13181310
wrong you swarthy italian spic

>>13181310
194 out of 195 countries disagree.

>>13181330
I don’t have a drop of wop blood retard, I just have good taste in food

>>13181339
Wrong

>>13181339
wrong here

>>13181342
>>13181345
>t.

>>13181363
I don’t know what to tell you, retard. I’m not Italian by blood or nationality. Do you want to see my DNA results?

i live in sweden and they make delicious food, a lot of fish, pig, cow and root corps.

>>13181373
>I'm not actually Italian I just mindlessly follow retarded Italian traditions like a simp!

>>13179032
So I can make champagne in the US and call it champagne? Cool, thanks anon

>>13181377
good for you, faggot

>>13181381
You might think you have shit taste, but whatever floats your boat

>>13181381
Alright enjoy your chicken pasta tasteless retard

>>13181389
t. diabetes pro

>>13181392
>Of course I have no reasoning whatsoever behind my moronic preference, but my taste is superior!

>>13170943
>thing without any regard to taste, texture

You read this coming from the people who insist cooking pasta till it becomes jello.

>>13181396
what the fuck did your post even have to do with the thread topic

>>13181407
Chicken with pasta is shit compared to beef, pork, or veal. The texture is too firm so it doesn’t form seamless pasta-meat bites like other meats do. This is all pretty fucking obvious and shouldn’t need explaining but apparently amerimutts like you can’t figure it out

>>13181183
>reddit indents

>>13181413
sug min kuk horunge

>>13181433
>The texture is too firm so it doesn’t form seamless pasta-meat bites

Lol you got so ashamed that you tried to throw out some half-hearted justification. The texture is too firm? Yeah so serving pasta with whole unshelled clams or olive chunks or pieces of broccoli rabe or slices of sausage or chunks of eggplant or cherry tomatoes is all fine, but chicken won't form a "seamless" "bite" so it just won't do! Sheer stupidity.

Braised thighs and legs aren't even firm, either. Just admit you followed this rule simply out of insecurity, I'll forgive you.

>>13181462
gör det själv din dumdryga jubelidiot

>>13181467
I didn’t even know this was a “rule,” chicken with pasta is just intuitively shit. Keep seething, fat

>>13181454
None of that post was indented.
Get a dictionary.
Retard.

>>13181478
Sorry for btfoing you so hard. You'll get over it.

>>13181486
cope fat

>>13181494
>btfo'd

>>13181473
Bögsvenne

>>13181501
fat

>>13181511
seething

>tradition and simpleness is a bad thing
This is how I know you're a fucking pleb OP

>>13181486
people have been omitting chicken in pasta for literal centuries. you did not btfo anyone fucking retard. it's all texture.

>>13181516
cope

>>13181518
You eat chicken in Asian noodle dishes and think nothing of it because there's no rule against it.

>>13181535
>Asian noodle dishes
>Pasta
>the same thing

>>13181542
So you're a moron who follows tradtions like a sheep, got it. If the texture of chicken was objectionable in pasta dishes, then it would be the same in rice or wheat noodle dishes. But it's not. Italians are just finicky.

>>13181535
I don't eat chicken in noodle or pasta, it doesn't matter what culture the dish is from

>>13181550
Asian noodles have a totally different texture and are not eaten in the same way. You keep revealing yourself to be a tasteless pleb over and over, give yourself a break

>>13178256
That being said Id still rather be an American. By god do I love it and I’m not even a conservative. This really is the best country in the world. Vote Bernie folks

>>13181553
>lying so you can seem consistent

>>13181566
go ahead and point out all the prominent chicken and noodle dishes from asia, without broth of course

>>13181563
You'd go along with duck ragu just because that's "authentic" and a classic Italian dish. But chicken is unacceptable since someone's Nonna said so. Pathetic.

>>13181578
Chow mein?

>>13181578
Pad see ew, pad kee mao, chicken vermicelli, Cao Lau (commonly pork but chicken is sometimes used), chicken chow mein,

>>13181486
You are acting like a retarded, please stop it, you are embarrassing yourself.
Putting chicken in pasta is shit, get over it.
If you like it it's not big problem, just try not to make it looks like is some kind of arbitrary rule and admit you have a shit palate

>>13181578
Lo Mein?

>>13181578
Mie goreng?

>>13181578
Pad thai, dont yakisoba and yoki udon sometimes have chicken and then you also have singapore noodles, japache etc.

>Pad thai
WOOHOO EPIC PAD THAI! IM SO CULTURED NOW LOL KINDA HOT

>>13181641
>this autistic about one of the most classic SEA foods of all time
>implying garbage american versions of pad thai are real pad thai

>>13181599
Nice Boogeyman retard. And you can write "grandma" and stop sounding like a Amerifatt wop.

>>13181646
Its O K. I dont get the hype at all
Its trendy, thats why people eat it. /ck/ is filled with stupid trendy shit

>>13181613
It is an arbitrary rule with no justification and you can produce no argument justifying it. "It's shit" is all your stunted brain can come up with. Sad.

Meanwhile ingredients of basically every texture imaginable are used in pasta and noodle dishes in all countries across the globe.

>>13181655
What's your argument for why duck is acceptable and chicken is not? I'm sure you've thoroughly reasoned this out beforehand and won't just spew out some weak rationalization that you thought of on the spot.

>>13181664
> It is an arbitrary rule with no justification
They don't come along.

Try to justify why you don't put fresh mint on your tomato sauce, unless is some arbitrary rule.

>>13181613
>>13181698
Go be an ESL retard somewhere else.

>>13181698
who says I don't, biscum

>>13181691
> What's your argument for why duck is acceptable.


Venetians make duck ragu but is not common as you think it is.
It could happen that duck taste different and have a different taste respect to chicken, who knows, i don't like poultry in my pasta.

Or are you telling me you can't distinguish between duck and chicken ?

>>13181710
you don't have an educate palate then.
Case closed i guess

Thanks for letting us know

>>13181608
pad see ew, and moreso pad kee mao are traditionally pork dishes. i forgot about vermicelli but it has such a weird texture, chicken wouldnt be bad with that I suppose. chow mein is just a noodle.
>>13181604
>>13181614
just noodles, not dishes
>>13181623
nice. that shit looks good
>>13181633
pad thai is usually shrimp, pork, or just tofu

>>13181698
How can you be so fucking stupid that you can't understand the difference between personally disliking some combination of foods and saying that that combination is inherently wrong? You don't need a rule to justify doing or not doing anything with food, personal preference is a sufficient explanation.

It's when you go further and criticize another person's choices and call them wrong, that's when you need to justify your case.

>>13181715
Okay so your argument has been demolished from every angle and you retreat to personal taste. Fine, you say you don't like it then. Most people do.

>>13181732
> How can you be so fucking stupid that you can't understand the difference between personally disliking some combination of foods and saying that that combination is inherently wrong?

Because you don't live in dreamland and there are objective metrics in subjectuve field that people tends to agree with.

Or do you thing there's no such thing as "better" music?

Why can't you just say you like it because it's *your* personal taste instead of attributio
You stupid fuck.

>>13181751
What argument?
You admitting you can't differentiate between a duck and a chicken?
And we should take you seriously?

Aren't you tired of being bftod on a vietnamese board?

>>13180436
You got that right. We're the Platinum Standard and the Diamond Standard all rolled into one.

>>13181754
The only people who vehemently object to pasta with chicken are Italian snobs. Just like you, they have no argument.

Everywhere else on Earth, people see no problem with it.

>>13181772
>Everywhere else on Earth
Tell us about your travels in Palau and Burundi.

>>13181760
>Ew ew ew! Chicken icky!

This is your entire case.

>>13170943
I would appreciate Italian anality over technique more if Italian food wasn't generally worse than French food.

>>13181789
Tell us about your travels in Palau and Burundi.

>>13181784
Shit, you got me. I went to those places and I have to admit that, to a man, the people all soundly rejected any notion that pasta and chicken ought to be enjoyed together. They began gesticulating and emoting quite wildly at any suggestion of such a thing, and I think I even heard one of them say "Vafangool!"

>>13181658
It's literally not trendy. Millions of people eat it every day as a staple and have been doing that for decades now. Just because some faggot hipster shit tier cafe serves a microwaved pad thai abomination it doesn't suddenly discount the other pad that recipes out there.

>>13181789
Dude, half of your post were based on the assumption
> chicken == duck
which showed, if anyone had any doubt, that you have dead tastebuds and that you can't find any difference between a chicken and a fucking duck.

Explain to me how can I take your opinion seriously.

You can't distunguish a chicken and a fucking duck.
Does everything taste like polystyrene to you?

>>13181599
Duck is moist and tender, unlike chicken

>>13181806
> generally worse than French food.
It's actually the opposite.
I ate in two high end restaurants in France and I wanted to kill myself, whereas all the french were all "tre bonne".

The cheese were good tho.

>>13181822
>still trying to pretend you have an argument

Your reading comprehension is complete shit. If, as someone suggested, the problem with chicken is its texture, then duck is barely different. It makes no sense to object to one meat's inclusion with pasta on the basis of texture but not the other.

Again, you have no argument besides personal taste, which is fine. But just admit that that's all you're screeching about.

>>13181891
>then duck is barely different.
I'm sorry, have you ever eat a duck ?

>>13181903
So you're going to claim that one bird has a wonderful texture perfectly suited to the situation and it's so fitting that it serves as the foundation of a classic rague recipe, but the other bird has a fundamentally different texture that's so ill-fitting it should be completely sequestered from pasta in every circumstance.

Fuck off.

>>13181927
> So you're going to claim that one bird has a wonderful texture perfectly suited to the situation and it's so fitting that it serves as the foundation of a classic rague recipe

So you're saying that two different meat, with different taste and different texture could have differe purpose? Color me surprised.

By the way, good luck making a ragu with chicken, you idiot.

Or are you going to tell me that not making ragu with chicken it's another arbitrary rule?

You are on a cooking board dumbass. Neck yourself

>>13181927
> all bird are the same
You know, cows, porks and horse are mammals.
I guess you could substitute every meat with one of them

>>13181954
You have no argument for why chicken is wrong. Not texture, not flavor, not shape, nothing.

duck with chicken = fine
every other meat, cured or fresh, with pasta = fine
pretty much any vegetable with pasta = fine
beans with pasta = fine
breadcrumbs with pasta = fine
nuts with pasta = fine
whole fucking clams in their shells with pasta = fine

But you start whining because everyone besides stuffy Italians combines these two things and enjoys them. Now try to produce one single argument besides "Wah wah it's bad and I don't like it."

>>13181966
>porks

ESL dago detected.

>>13182002
> every other meat, cured or fresh, with pasta = fine
Wrong.
Bresaola, coppa, mortadella don't generally go on pasta.
Horse meat don't generally go on pasta either.

> pretty much any vegetable with pasta = fine
I never heard of carrot pasta (although it's a root. But culinary is classified as vegetable)
Lattuce in pasta is not used.
And many other

> beans with pasta = fine
Pasta with legumes are a strong tradition of Southern Italy.

> breadcrumbs with pasta
It's not common. some recipes have it.

> nuts with pasta = fine
which nuts? hazelnuts? nope.


>But you start whining because everyone besides stuffy Italians combines these two things and enjoys them. Now try to produce one single argument besides "Wah wah it's bad and I don't like it."

I could, but you wouldn't understand, just like you don't understand the difference between a duck and a chicken.

>>13182002
>whole fucking clams in their shells with pasta = fine
You don't eat the shells.
They told you to eat the shells because you probably looks stupid

>>13182058
>I could prove you wrong, I just don't want to!

But what else can be expected from a retard who thinks carrots aren't combined with pasta?

https://www.accademiaitalianadellacucina.it/it/ricette/ricetta/rag%C3%B9-classico-bolognese

>>13182100
> But what else can be expected from a retard who thinks carrots aren't combined with pasta?

They aren't. They are used to make the soffritto for the sauce.
What about the salad ? come on, I'm curious of how much research are you making to justify your stupid opinion.

>>13182113
What about producing one single argument besides "Wah wah it's bad and I don't like it." You will not, because you have none. I accept your concession of defeat.

>>13182120
go have a duck. Or a emu. Idiot

>>13182126
Thank you for conceding.

>>13182146
Have sex fat

>>13181828
t. guy who can’t cook

>>13182362
t. never had duck

>>13182376
the texture is identical retard

>>13170943
Did an italian fuck your girlfriend? That's such a strong opinion to have over fucking food. Going to italy to eat italian food is amazing if you avoid the brainlet tourist traps, and if an italian is mad that in X country they do X to Z food just ignore them like you would for every other culture, you'll find these kind of people everywhere, and in the end they're not mad the you're putting pineapple on pizza, chicken in pasta or monster energy drink in a french wife, what ticks europeans off is when retarded americans or whatever do those things and PRETEND like it's their right to claim it as "traditional" cuisine.
>The French have none of these dumbass rules.
I can assure you we have even more of those rules than the italians.

>>13171986
>brits do better italian food than italians
Brits can't even make brit """"food"""

>>13173231
>authentic carbonara does not exist, and if anything it comes from America.
LMAO

>>13177601
>racial slur
kill your self, janny

>>13182399
>duck
>same texture as chicken
Are you a chink, perhaps?

>>13170943
You're a sad fuck. >>13182509

We don’t care. Italian American is whatever the fuck grandma makes and shit you add that works. As far as I’m concerned there are no recipes. Just guidelines to be loosely followed. Now who wants chicken cacciatore?

>>13171370
Rudeness is part of the charm of the chans.

>>13170943
is seafood not considered a lean protein?

>>13182451
>putting monster energy drink in a french wife

>>13182451
>>13183175
l-like the can or the liquid?

>>13181509
gottem

>>13170943
why do you keep making these retarded threads?
last time you had the exact same thread except it was about french cuisine being a meme and portuguese not having "dumbass rules"

>>13181828
So you suck at cooking chicken. Thanks for sharing.

>>13175599
I love Chinese take-out, Tex Mex, and other Americanized versions of other country's food, but better? Come on now.

>>13181382
Legally? No. Colloquially, nobody but the biggest wine snob faggot would call you out on it if you casually bandied about the term. Most "Japanese" cars driven in the US are made here, that's the bottom line retard.

>>13183624
The can and then the liquid from the can.
High pressure.

>>13185278
If your duck is tender and moist like a chicken you are the one that suck at cooking ducks mate

>>13181872
nice anecdotal sample size of two fuckwit

>>13170943
Italians are like this because their country is losing its influence on the world and food is literally all they have left. Yet their recipes are largely based around poverty, since Italy is a very poor country and lots of Italians live in poverty. Because of these reasons they get upset and offended when another nation improves upon their dishes using ingredients that the typical Italian cannot afford. They see it as an attack on their very existence, on their worth and on their contribution to the world.

>>13172064
Food and recipes are always evolving and new techniques and ingredients are always being changed to better the dish. This is what you don’t understand and why you come across as unintelligent. There is nothing universally authentic about any dish, not in any real sense anyway. Its only authenticity is some vague idea that’s specific to you, the individual, and to your own tastes and ideas. Sure, you might share similar views with others, but it still doesn’t make it true. I mean how do you think carbonara was even invented? Do you think the creator was given the recipe by god himself? Or do you think they experimented with ingredients until they found a recipe that suited their personal taste? Then they no doubt shared it and over time the recipe changed until it came to what you enjoyed and took to be viewed as ‘authentic’. Yet your carbonara may be vastly different to that original carbonara, or to someone’s carbonara from 100-200 years ago. I mean even in todays Italy, lots of Italian chefs make their carbonara in many different ways and using many different techniques. There is no divine origin to food and their recipes, so the idea that one recipe is the true and only recipe is nonsense.

>>13185291
It's actually an even 50/50 split between imported and native production.
>t. someone who interned at the Japanese auto lobby in DC

>>13173184
>shouldn't change the entire fucking dish
Try it. You'll notice a huge difference

>>13177324
Fuck. I thought this bait was pretty good. I've lost my touch.

>>13180923
>Italian pizza is literal shit
Where did you get it? I mean the restaurant

>>13170943
I just want to roll one of these "pizzas" up into a burrito and eat it like that. One, to piss off the servers, but two, because I actually think it'd taste good.

>>13187466

These people only care about places recommended by Rick Steves and other retarded American boomers, which means visiting and eating out at places where every single American abroad ends up at some point. When all your customers are retarded boomers who only ask you fettuccine Alfredo, traditional pizza (in Milan, Venice and Florence, not giving a fuck about regional specialties) and chicken parm, any chef in the world will just stop giving a fuck.

Also note that all these retards complain about having a bad pizza in Italy as it's literally the only thing they care about. Heard any complaint about Milanese risotto? Tuscan stews? Sicilian eggplants, octopus, fish and almonds? Apulian tomatoes? Piedmont wine, coffee and chocolate? It's always fucking pizza because they have the palate of manchildren who never ate anything better than a flyover country casserole swimming in butter, sugar and corn.

>>13188160
holy fucking based

>>13188160
I like the eggplants in Sicily but the almonds gave me really painful gas.

>>13187663
>"pizzas"
wdhmbt

>>13177511
Fuck I want some chicken alfredo now.

>>13189967
doesn't get any more italian-american than that

>>13188160
> It's always fucking pizza because they have the palate of manchildren

Children's palette's are the reason Italian food is even a thing. Kids eat pepperoni pizza and spaghetti and meatballs and think Italian food is the best because they like tomato and cheese. And then they grow up thinking that Italian food is anything special because they liked it as kids.

>>13190269
or maybe it's the fact that authentic italian food culture is miles ahead of italian-american food

>>13191114
Nah, Italians just latch onto the reputation they get from IA food to claim that their "authentic cuisine" is actually good.

>>13191133
fpbp

>>13191133
if only you knew

>>13171165
But an omelette does require an egg.

>>13187220
>Food and recipes are always evolving and new techniques and ingredients are always being changed to better the dish
The problem is that americans ruin recipes from all over the world and then cry if they don't get praised.

>>13191114
Anything is better than X-american food.

>>13192436
>people in America alter a recipe from another country
>recipe becomes more popular internationally due to American influence
>people all across the globe enjoy the improved version of the food
>bitter autists from the food's origin country stay seething