/ck/ - Food & Cooking

How is farmed fish any worse than farmed pigs or cows

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>>13093732
Yes, you shouldn't eat those either

>>13093805
>start eating only wild pigs again
>trichinosis becomes a thing once more
We've almost all but eradicated that pest thanks to professional farm raising. Of the few cases there have been, they can almost all be traced to wild pigs or pigs someone raised in their backyard.

If you want higher quality pork demand more pigs be of different breed and raised for flavor, not cost-effectiveness.

>>13093826
Swine is a dirty meat

>>13093725
Salmon

>>13093849
Id befriend a pig before a jew or muslim.

>>13093725
Farmed salmon is fine

>>13093889
Id eat a pig before I'd eat a jew or muslim.

>>13093949
Jew and Muslim are a dirty meat.

>>13093732
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>>13093957
But what about the fish?

>>13094012
Smells like jew and muslim women cunnies, wat about it?

>>13093725
yes. pic related.

>>13093857
>>13093732
>feed animal corn instead of natural diet of bugs n shiet
>flesh is sickly grey color instead of healthy orange
>dye it, to fool consumers

Why aren't food industry execs in prison?

Most farmed fish tastes fine, they just have had a large amount of antibiotics fed to them and dumped on top. Indoor farmed fish doesn't need to put in a ton of antibiotics, but there's only a few suppliers at the moment.

>>13093732
You can easily buy farmed pigs or cows raised without antibiotics, it's almost impossible for farmed fish.

>>13094078
>taste
I have serious concerns about the healthfulness for reasons outlined in eg >>13094075

>>13094075
Because customers like cheap shit and will willingly listen to lies. What's worse is uneducated dumbasses that attack their industries tell quarter-truths and mostly-lies trying to turn the public, only strengthening their position.

Basically it's a clusterfuck that makes CIA operations look simple.

>>13094078
> Indoor farmed fish doesn't need to put in a ton of antibiotics
Why is this? I thought the antibiotics were necessary because the fish are swimming in shit due to overcrowding and inadequate water cycling

>>13093849
So are muslims but they still let them indoors

>>13093826
>We've almost all but eradicated
>[Sourced from extreme conjecture]

>>13094108
>https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/trichinellosis/resources/trichinellosis_surveillance_summary_2015.pdf
>. During the most recent 10-year surveillance period (2006-2015), a median of 14.5 cases were reported per year (range: 5-39). The number of reported trichinellosis cases has declined steadily since national surveillance began, likely due to multiple factors, including laws that prohibit the feeding of garbage to hogs, increased usage of home freezers, and improved knowledge regarding safe cooking practices for pork (3). Recent U.S. outbreaks of trichinellosis have been attributed to bear, wild boar, and unspecified pork.
Remember folks, no medium-rare bear. Also, holy fucking shit that's almost no trich for a country of 330 million.

>>13094108
fine, don't listen to us and just overcook your pork to hell because you still live in the 50s

>>13094145
Based source anon

>>13094097
Bacteria don't just materialize, they have to come from somewhere. With an indoor farm all the inputs are sterilized, so most of the time there will be no illness and if there is the tanks are isolated from each other.

>>13094145
What a ludicrous assertion .. Reported cases is basically meaningless. Somewhat furthermore is the fact that even mentioning parasites to some doctors gets you "crazy" looks. PPS: Even stool samples are often ~inconclusive, requiring specific conditions, potentially skillful checking, etc.

PPPS: There are 2017 reports of, e.g., "more than one in three people sampled in a poor area of Alabama [testing] positive for traces of hookworm".

>>13094152
>[Anon's argument]
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>>13094263
It's not meaningless. If it were common to get those parasites then there would be tons more cases. Even if there were only 1000 reported cases that still makes it an extremely small risk in such a large country. It's incredibly rare to get them, and if an individual is concerned then all they need to do is cook their meat well done and not accept meat cooked less than that from other people. It's not that hard. My family and most people I know (USA) have been eating pork cooked medium to medium well for decades.

> Bacteria don't just materialize, they have to come from somewhere
You mean like shit? Which all living fish will excrete?

>>13093849
You will never be able to hide the fact that you are Muslim

>>13094012
What ABOUT the fish?

>>13094307
>[Anon's argument is one of the many if-then possibilities of human behavior – such as having full nutrition (some ~1%), healthy fitness, etc.]
>So, [ ]
A). The likelihood of parasitic propagation to meat, amongst birds and droppings, bugs (such as flies and fleas), fish, the conditions of farmed animals, repeated and non-sanitized usage of food machinery .. is large (in this status of science).
B). Sub-well-done meat is very publicly common; and actual raw meat is somewhat also.
C). The low likelihood that raw meat is properly frozen (for consumption) – "freezing and storing at an ambient temperature of -4°F (-20°C), or below, for 7 days; freezing at an ambient temperature of -31°F (-35°C) or below until solid and [!] storing at an ambient temperature of -31°F (-35°C) or below for 15 hours; or freezing at -31°F (-35°C) or below until solid and storing at -4°F (-20°C) or below for 24 hrs." – except for ~ those conditions, *any* meat is susceptible to parasites.

>>13094145
Based American sanitation

>>13094075
Consumers will go for low price over higher quality almost every time. Until you get the common man to stop buying shitty meat, the cost-cutting bullshit will continue.

I'm always against this sort of shit. Battery farmed chickens and cows, corn-fed farm salmon. It's not that I hate the practises because they're cruel to the animals, it's because they result in shitty products. If the industry was more heavily regulated and skewed towards quality, then the quality stuff drops in price as the garbage is removed from the market. Oh, the average price of meat rises, but I'd rather have a good steak/fish/chicken dinner once every two days than a mediocre one every single day.

>>13093725
>Not visiting Tasmania to catch wild salmon with the locals.

Never gonna make it.

>>13094350

Bacteria in your shit came from your body. You can literally eat your own shit and it's harmless.

>>13095240
That's not even remotely true, if you get wounded in the gut/colon and the bacteria get out into your system you have an extremely high chance of death. The only part of your body meant to actually handle those bacteria is your gut.

>>13094078
Why are people obsessed with antibiotics, it doesn't taint the meat, anti biotics are not stored in meat, they are metabolised and excreted just like any other drug / chemical that finds its way into an animals body. As long as the animal goes through the pre slaughter clean period for a few weeks where its not given any drugs then the meat is perfectly fine. When you get sick and go to the doctors do you think the anti biotics you take stay in your body permanently?.. only a moron would believe this to be the case.

>>13093725
I love the steelhead filets at costco.

>>13095076
All the meat for sale in my country is free range grass fed,for eggs I can only think of one left that is a battery farm,as for salmon the pens are in the ocean or glacial water ways and they are not fed corn.Ribeye is 35 dollars a kilo,salmon around 20 dollars for 300 grams smoked.

>>13095283

I said eat not shove into your fucking abdomen, learn to read

>>13094012
I feel more empathy for beautiful fish, than ugly cows and chickens bred for slaughter. There is something soulful and morose about the expression of a fish taken out of a water that nakes me feel sorry for it. It's not "fair", because they can't run away from us like deer or birds. When I think about how our oceans are being de-populated to stuff our mouths, it makes me sad. No one cares about fish like the Chilean Sea Bass going extinct, but they'll cry over MY HECKIN MOOMOOS AND NUGGIES. Nobody cares about fish, and they won't until they're all gone.

>>13095924
>When you get sick and go to the doctors do you think the anti biotics you take stay in your body permanently?
No but you want to avoid antibiotic use as much as possible so that your body doesn't adjust to where those antibiotics no longer work. I have no idea about how eating animals who've taken antibiotics may or may not affect someone, so I can't comment on that.

>>13095924
>>13096174
>what is antibioresistance and where does it come from
>how does it spread and why does it affect us
Enjoy your next resistant strain incurable infection. They are more prevalent near factory farming using antibiotics as growth factor.

>>13096209
I see your point and feel inclined to agree. I just haven't read up enough on the subject to make a statement on it. I buy organic whole chickens that haven't been pumped with water/broth/solution as they taste and retain juiciness way better than crappy conventional ones.

>>13093732
You think it is bad that pigs roll in their shit? Farmed fish inhale and swallow it.

>>13096225
To me, using drugs that are our last defense against serious deseases, making them inefficient in the long run, just for profit, is plain crime.

>>13096257
Too bad the people making profit ((help)) decide what's criminal.

>>13093725
Farmed salmon from Norway

>>13096124
damn you're retarded, how about you try eating shit with every meal and find out?

>>13093725
Looking at the picture, I didn't know people farmed dianoga; is this a european thing?

>>13096235
Good job i don't eat fish lungs / stomach.

>>13096174
>>13096209

Nobody is talking about antibiotic resistance i couldn't give a fuck about that. Im talking about antibiotics and why people think animals fed antibiotics produce worse meat or that the meat is somehow tainted with antibiotics.. It just isnt true.

>>13096603
It may not make the product taste worse. However, it does train microbes to be nastier and more resistant to our drugs, which should be a concern of yours.

>>13093732
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>>13093889
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>>13094775
And more! All shitposts and wrothless retard comments not at all related to the thread, well done! What the fuck? Why are you guys here at all, you fucking retards. I came to the thread to learn about farmed fish and good alternatives to wild caught and I had fucktards talking about mussies and pork? Someone makes it about veganism in post two? I'll app to be a fucking janny at this rate

is there any POOP that is not POOP

>>13096830
based hypgnome poster

>>13094036
impossible fish is a thing now?!
YAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS!

>>13095076
Consumer purchasing power has been decreasing for the past 30 years as well. Minimum wage at the time of its initial implementation was the equivalent of $16.67 today.

I don't understand factory fish farming, someone give me the QRD. I
It seems from a naive perspective that you could just string up a bunch of nets in a square acre of the fishes habitat and only have the fish you want there.
Is this not the case, and if so why not?

>>13096404
yeah they look really good and healthy... NOT

>>13096592
fish don't have lungs

>>13094350
They have nothing in their shit which is relevant. The diseases which harm farmed fish in the ocean are simply absent indoors. So no antibiotics.
>>13095924
They can have half lives of near a week in tissue, so it's not like it really disappears. It usually goes below the residue limits, but it's not like testing has complete coverage. Stuff slips through the cracks, the occasional carcass with high residues won't get spotted in testing. The chance of high residues remaining in an organic carcass and it not being shifted to the normal meat chain are much lower. Protection in depth.

>>13096741
It wouldn’t actually be a problem if we didn’t let people self administer their own antibiotics, so they stop taking them when they feel better and get sick again and slowly train their disease to the drugs. If you put someone on antibiotics, you gotta keep them in the hospital, but of course that’s not even possibly realistic in clown world where we prescribe antibiotics for ear aches.

>>13093725

No, they are all garbage since they have higher levels of omega 6s and less omega 3s than wild ones. They also contain anti-biotics since farmed salmon are crowded and swimming in each others shit and would die without them.

>>13097314
>No, they are all garbage since they have higher levels of omega 6s and less omega 3s than wild ones
That's probably just a feed problem and it shouldn't be hard to solve. Defat all the vegetable protein sources other than linseed.

>>13096830
>expecting actual conversation
>on 4Chan
>on fucking /ck/ no less, where shitposting is almost as bad as /v/ or /tv/
Honestly, what were you expecting?

>>13097205
You raise thousands of animals at a time and you think there aren't going to be some messed up ones?

I would wager that Trout is the best farmed fish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucZlpP5qTL4

No. Pay the extra dollars for wild-caught fish. Farmed fish are trash.

>>13093826
Trichinosis didn't happen because of wild pigs you dolt. It happened because farmers kept their livestock in garbage conditions and fed their pigs literal outhouse shit. Farmed pork was the reason behind trichinosis not the cure.

>>13093725
Aquaponics fish grown in your state. Because aquaponics heavily relies on a symbiosis of bacteria, fish, plants, and it is a semi closed system you can't be adding weird shit into it. Plus it's pretty based and redpilled. You're supporting your fellow neighbours that have standards and morals unlike the chink bugmen across the world

>>13097349
I said in my post what i wanted.

>>13097341
Flax is still inferior to algae, which you could eat directly with your flax and chia and make big healthy poopies and cummies :3

>>13096540
Then the shit stays within his gut tract, the place you claimed "is the only place it can be handled by your body" so what's the issue. I don't eat shit but shit is made of dead bacteria + discarded food/metabolic byproducts, the latter of which poses a higher risk for your liver and gut to re-process.

Remember kids, coprophagia only in moderation

>>13093725
Mussels are better farmed than wild. Might be the only thing. Perhaps catfish is ok. Farmed salmon and tilapia is crap.

>>13093732
If farmed at the right conditions with the right feed it's actually perfectly fine.

Salmon farmer here for the last 21 years
AMA I suppose

>>13101390
Please answer my question here if not bait
>>13096955

>>13096830
based
>>13097349
kill yourself

>>13093725
Ora King Salmon farmed in NZ. Probably better than wild ones desu.

>>13100603
how can the consumer know what theyre buying though

>>13100324
This.
Aquaponics uses a lot less if any strong medication on the fish.
There aren't that many suppliers though, so everyone who would want that kind of quality would have to search for it.

You can buy high quality farmed fish. You get what you pay for in most cases. Same as with anything else there are gross farms and there are clean ones.

Try Whole Foods. The fish farms WF sources from do not use antibiotics, parasiticides, dyes, or animal by-product feed.

I am a fish monger and have no scruples with responsibly farmed fish.

That being said, I'm not going to go out of my way to buy some nasty farmed tilapia from Wal-Mart.

>>13093725
WHAT THE FUK IS THIS V,THIS IS DISGUSTING, FUCK YOU!

>>13101522
Not bait .
Salmon farming is one of the major employers where I live on the West coast of Scotland. The reason for farmed fish is that wild fish stocks would not be able to sustain the global demand. Wild salmon numbers have been steadily in decline in the West coast of Scotland for many years. Farmed fish is also a very good source of protein and per KG of meat to grow the FCR is the best out of all animal farming. FCR is feed conversion rate. For 1.1 ton of feed fed you will get 1 ton of flesh.
Compare that to cows and pigs. 3.1 or so.

>>13102120
But why cant you put up giant nets in the ocean and dump feed there so everything is adequately filtered out by natural processes? Thats what I don't get.

>>13102155
We do have giant nets in the Ocean.
We farm the fish in 100m circumference circle cages with 30m deep nets .
Each cage will have approx 40000 salmon which works out at peak biomass 16kg/m3. They’re not as crammed as people would have you believe. Aquaculture gets a very negative press but the reality is we are more heavily regulated than any food producer in the sector. Op’s Pic looks to be an onshore eel farm or something and the picture was taken when they were being fed by the looks of it.
Third world fish farming is a disgrace to be honest. Scottish farmed Salmon is pretty decent. It’s come a long way in the 20 years I’ve been doing it.

>>13102155
Also - there has to be complete traceability from hatchery egg to final product . Using a wild fish to then sell on to the consumer just wouldn’t fly over here , not to mention that it would be ethically and morally wrong to trap a wild fish in its natural habitat to farm and then harvest for human consumption.

>>13094075
>dye

>>13102233
>ethically and morally wrong to do anything to a freaking fish
You lost me there, but thank you for the explanation. I normally purchase farmed fish products anyway because modern fishing practices are really destructive to the ocean, and your post has put me more at ease about it. Thanks.

>>13102239
He’s correct. Old salmon feed used to contain Astaxanthin which is a dye. Nowadays the feed we use contains krill extract which naturally helps the flesh become more orange. Fun fact- wild salmon flesh is actually quite pale too depending on the diet it’s had and what stage of its migratory process it’s in.

>>13102250
You’re still destroying the ocean with emissions from farmed fish and unsustainable pollution that results from it

>>13102271
If you could pass on the message to the world to stop eating farmed fish then we would stop farming it.
Per kg of flesh farmed fish is by FAR the least destructive method of farming there is. You should worry more about your use of plastic and it’s detrimental effect to the oceans friendo.

>>13102271
All animal products are environmentally destructive. I'm not about to go vegan, so the goal is to mitigate damage, and develop sustainable methods.

>>13102264
>Wild salmon eats stuff containing Astaxanthin
Natty
>farmers supplement salmon Astaxanthin
DYE!!! PUT THEM IN PRISON!
Krill extract also gives the color because of Astaxanthin in there. It's literally the same as me taking extra zinc supplements or something like that.

>>13102317
baka