/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>13057733
Not excersizing enough makes you fat

>>13057733
Their diets are getting worse, but it's likely portion control

They eat nothing. Carbs are unsatisfying and don't keep you satiated as long as fat and protein. The short height and small frame of japs is adapted to eating a famine tier diet.

>>13057740
Asians never exercise. Exercise accounts for no more than 20% of weight loss.

>>13057733
>that body

>>13057733
Because they eat rice and not a fuckton of sugary shit

>>13057802
but carbs turn to sugar in the body

Carbs make you skinny, I've lost 25 pounds eating a high carb low fat vegan diet.

https://rarbg.to/torrent/84wune6

>>13057769
Have sex, incel.

>>13057878
he's right...

>>13057828
Everything turns into sugar in the body

>>13057885
Cope

>>13057862
this is super misleading. Heart disease and cancer are old people diseases, if your country has a lot of them its because people there are living longer and most simpler problems have been fixed

>>13057862
>Venezuela
Kind of hard to die from cancer when you have a leftist government literally killing and starving you

They have tons of inexpensive good food.
Have you seen their fucking vending machines?

They have no reason to be fat also the Japanese get taxed if they're fat only sumo wrestlers are exempt

>>13057733
rice is god tier food

>>13057903
>also the Japanese get taxed if they're fat
How can Americans live in Japan then you stupid cunt.

>>13057769
What about all that Tai chi shit?

>>13057733
Portion sizes. Japanese restaurants serve portions roughly half of what you see in America. Americans overeat all the time, the Japanese eat until they just start to feel full like you’re supposed to. Traveling to Japan was really an eye-opener for me food wise. It was nice eating a meal and not feeling bloated and uncomfortable, and it was very nice getting served a drink that I could actually finish.

>>13057795
my nigga. a fellow of patrician tastes i see

>>13057862
What do people die of in Thailand and Laos, besides aids and undetonated 1970s landmines?

>>13057887
salt doesn't

>>13057733
Good question. If you've ever eaten at a buffet with koreans they eat multiple plates but stay thin af.

>>13057733
fat makes you fat.
it's nearly impossible to get fat eating only carbs.

>>13057896
What a ridiculous lie

>>13058005
hear disease because they eat lots of fried foods because the water is dirty.

>>13057862
>quality of life goes down
>green goes up

The Nips are notorious liars. They underreport their obesity and wear thinsuits when traveling abroad to make baka gaijin think they're fit and trim rather than just as fat as the rest of us.

>>13058021
>no argument
sure thing, retard

>>13057733
literally genetics

for asians to get fat they have to eat A LOT of food. Tons and tons of it like what sumo wrestlers do.

>>13057769
Walking and cycling are exercise and pretty much all Japanese walk like 80km daily.

>>13058015
Koreans get fat. Not burger fat, but fat.

Many of the ones above 20 or 25 who don't get fat, are deep into weightloss routines. Because fatness is seen as a very negative trait in korean society.

>>13057733
>>13057795
>>13057997
oh my god I'm gonna OH GOD I'M GONNA

>>13057733
People non stop telling you to eat less when you're overweight helps.

>>13057769
The Japanese walk all the fucking time. So do the French actually.

I have a secret for you.

Eating too many calories and not moving enough makes you fat.

>>13057733
>If carbs make you fat, why are the Japanese skinny?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WiUQtOhfIc
For one thing they eat carbs in small amounts and always with other healthy food. An average Japanese person probably eats more vegetables in a month than an average American does in a year.

>>13057733
Calories makes you fat.

>>13057969
This.

>>13057733
Because they don't over consume calories past their daily expenditure. Italians aren't fat either. Most people find that if they stop drinking calories and incorporate a little more activity into their daily lives that they are able to shed the extra weight and maintain themselves at a healthy weight. If your diet is really bad and you're a chronic overeater then you have to make a bigger lifestyle change, but a lot of people are just guzzling down way too much sugar and are extremely sedentary. Just do things like take the stairs over the elevator, walk around at lunch, walk to your mailbox, do some yard work, etc. Normal things. But people literally drive to their fucking mailbox (makes sense if packages go in a lock box but you can always make a second trip).

>>13057896
*and a lot of fat people. But you're generally right about that.

>>13057930
They get taxed.

>>13058018
>fat makes you fat
Based boomer

>>13057795
A fellow man of culture.

>>13058420
Untrue, there that was documentary where a dude replaced all the food in his diet with sugary shit, but kept the same amount of calories. He gained a huge amount of weight and got sick despite being not changing his caloric intake. CICO is a meme.

>>13058029
because these are third world countries which eat more plants if the west did it we'd perhaps be even healthier.

dumb point

>>13057733
>dat tummy and dem milkies doe
Sign my penis up, time to throw a baby in it

>>13058487
Really? Because there was the guy who lost weight on a twinkie diet. CICO isn't a meme, but your body processes pure sugar a lot faster than fat and protein. It's feasible that only eating simple carbs would mean that your body isn't working as hard to digest and store the energy meaning that you would need to adjust your calorie intake. But it would also completely fuck up your thyroid due to the lack of nutrients your thyroid requires to function. It's pretty obvious and irrelevant that your body won't work properly only eating sugar or only eating fat or only drinking liquor. The main point is that with a balanced and varied diet heavy on whole grains and other plant based foods (plus animal based proteins) and low on simple sugars will absolutely fall in line with CICO. I've done high carb, low carb, medium carb, whatever, and it's never deviated from CICO at all.

>>13058549
There is no reason to have a diet 'heavy on whole grains', that was a meme made by the USDA to get people to buy more of their produce.

>>13057795
Truly a taste to share and admire.

>>13057896
>, if your country has a lot of them its because people there are living longer and most simpler problems have been fixed

Are you implying South Korea is underdeveloped ? lmao

>>13058047
No, Japs don't break the laws of thermodynamics.

>>13057885
keep the cope up, incel

>>13058487
Source or I'm calling bullshit

>>13057733
they are skinny fat cope-lets
being muscular is seen as being a fag

>>13057733
Consuming more calories than you burn makes you fat. What you eat doesn't matter. I've done both keto and CICO and I've lost weight at the same pace eating the same amount of calories on both.

Portion control and social shame.

Human beings have always wanted to ingest nothing but fatty meats, sugars, and processed carbohydrates. We were just limited by the availability of these things. Now that we live in a post-scarcity society, you can have as much of these important, tasty, potent - and thus dangerous - foods as you like. As much as you can fit in your stomach without vomiting.

Portions are on the rise, the makeup of our meals is changing towards almost exclusively the foods we 'want' - rather than the foods we ate as filler like leafy greens, whole grains, etc - we suddenly don't need these calories we've tried so hard to make available due to sedentary lifestyles.

So then you are left to social shame. Being judged for eating too much, too often, and of indulgent foods. It's a slippery slope and it's real. Someone who might be called borderline healthy in the USA now would have been called fat in the 50s. Being as obese as some people are would be unimaginable. And yet there are people who want acceptance for people who are on the brink of death.

>>13058660
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Sugar_Film

>>13057733
Dude just ask youtube lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4MmmWQtZM

>>13058386
Everybody in Europe does because gasoline is expensive as all fuck and everything is in walking distance and we have sidewalks everywhere. America is designed for cars, not people. Europe is the opposite, finding a parking space is hell and drive-throughs are a rarity.

>>13058654
What makes you think I'm an incel? There's literally nothing in my post that would indicate that.

>>13058595
Heavy is like 50% total carbs with plenty being complex, and you don't need to just eat cereal and USDA products. There are shitloads of grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, an produce out there that will make for a very balanced and complete diet when combined with animal proteins/animal based food sources. I've done keto, too, and if done right, I don't doubt that people can get the proper nutrients they need that way as well. Personally my sweet spot is incorporating a little bit of everything, lots of interesting variation, but limiting simple sugars, abstaining from alcohol, being highly aware of portion control, and not eating out often. Keto is so restrictive that it's impossible for me to stick to it as a lifestyle, but I also don't incorporate grains into every meal.

>>13058697
So how do we know the guy actually ate the same amount of calories he regularly did?

>>13058703
Yeah, right...because they tell the truth like a 4channer

>>13057733

Japan is the number one most walkable country on Earth.

>>13058703
I see his point about easy access to healthy food, but really, you can do that just as easily here. It's more of a cultural thing. I used to get a boiled egg and crudité with peanut butter from 7/11. They also have bananas, apples, and oranges, cheese sticks, simple sandwiches like turkey and cheese, roasted nuts, beef jerky, plain coffee and other no-calorie beverages. That's pretty standard at 7/11 and other similar gas stations yet people choose chili cheese hot dogs, taquitos, donuts, big gulps, and some coffee with their sugar and cream. Even if you opt for McDonalds or Dunkin Donuts, you can get a regular egg mcmuffin or egg and cheese flatbread and black coffee. You can even eat the hash brown with it if you like. That doesn't make someone fat. It's opting to eat huge amounts of high calorie garbage and drinking an unacceptable amount of calories all day every day, whether fast food or a meal at home, and never considering the very available, affordable, and filling alternatives.

>>13057733
Carbs don't make me fat. I eat a shitload of rice everyday. Not Asian.

>>13058988
How much rice a day do you eat? I eat a cup for lunch.

>>13058923
Japan is literally like Lothlorien or Rivendale.

>>13058005
Heart disease and cancer, but due to shitty doctors they die of "natural causes" and don't end up in these stats.

I watched the thinnest chinese bitch put like 5 scoops of rice on a plate at a buffet. I go off my LCHF diet for a day and I retain like 20lbs of water

>>13057887
>>13057828
There are many kinds of sugar, the one that fucks your health is fructose, as in corn syrup which is put in everything murricans eat.

>>13058799
This is a really easy test for you to do by yourself.

>>13057733

Because the japanese have exisisted in their own ecosystem, and have been eating the same thing for 1000's of years.
Their bodies have simply evolved around their diet. Its similar to how some people are lactose intolerant,
and how African Americans in the united states have the highest rates of obesity on the planet.

People that have evolved around certain foods will always have the most efficient methods of digestion and application,
and in turn, people who did not evolve to consume certain foods will not be able to have the same efficiency.

>>13057733
>big tits
>muffin top
>gut
>soft arms
I'm gonna come guys

Because of the power of anime

>>13059155
>~~and how African Americans in the united states have the highest rates of obesity on the planet~~
>and how even though only making up about 13% of the general population, African Americans commit roughly 50% of the crime in the U.S.

>>13059155
Cool pseudoscience, when’s the phrenology lesson?

>>13057862
>Carbs make you skinny
Literally no .. Insulin is fat-sparing.

>>13059331
Yeah all these fat vegans eating high carbs low fat diets.

Naturally higher metabolism, europeans and inuits have much slower metabolisms which causes poor bastards to gain another ten pounds any time they eat a burrito

>>13059132
Simple sugars of any sort do nothing for you. They could put cane sugar in everything, and it wouldn't all the sudden make people healthier since it's not corn syrup. I make practically everything that I eat, so sugar laden processed junk isn't an issue for me. And it doesn't have to be an issue for the rest of Americans if they passed over junk foods for affordable and many times much less costly whole foods. Most grocery stores have bakeries that put out fresh loaves of bread for $1.00-$2.00, which costs LESS than crappy bagged bread. No one is stopping Americans from buying converted rice, whole grains, legumes, cheap greens, eggs, milk, real cheese, regular cuts of meat, etc. It costs me far less to buy good food than packaged food, and it doesn't take me much time to cook it either. Tonight I got some rice pilaf going, mushrooms and ground pork on a skillet, and glazed carrots with parsley (using minimal sugar). The pork was lean and crumbly, so I shredded some monterrey jack into it. It took 30 minutes from start to finish, and it was very inexpensive. Dishes were a breeze. I've made much quicker meals, too, but 30 minutes for a nice meal with a lot of left overs even though I didn't cook that much. You could have fed a family of 5 with what amounted to no more than $5 of ingredients.

>>13059331
Yeah that’s not how insulin works otherwise rabbit starvation wouldnt be a thing or these brittle rice farmers wouldnt be brittle

>>13059363
>tattoo
Gross, WTF

>>13059154
Or you could reference credible material like, you know, actual studies.

>>13059155
Or, you know, they know when to stop stuffing their faces, fattie.

>>13059468
>i-it's muh metabolism
Stop making excuses for not putting your fork down.

>>13059468
Have they tried only eating half the burrito?

>>13057740
>Not excersizing enough makes you fat
Obesity epidemic was not related to exercise contrary to popular belief. Increase in food energy supply (i.e. calories) on the other hand is extremely well correlated with the obesity epidemic.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/90/6/1453/4598059
>The predicted changes in weights derived from the equations suggest that increase in estimated energy intake is sufficient, by itself, to explain the increase in weight in the US population. Such findings are supported by studies using other approaches to the same question (10) and by epidemiologic data showing that physical activity levels have not decreased, or have even increased, over the period of time that obesity prevalence has been increasing (11–14).
>>13057733
>If carbs make you fat, why are the Japanese skinny?
Carbs don't make you fat. Calories do.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00325481.1958.11692236?journalCode=ipgm20
>Since more than 90 percent of the calories in this diet are derived from carbohydrates, it was anticipated that increased amounts of insulin would be necessary to keep the blood sugar at its previous level. However, the opposite proved to be true. As previously reported, not only is the rice diet well tolerated but in many instances the blood sugar and the insulin requirements decrease.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673655902117
>There is no indication that healthy people taking a diet rich in carbohydrates are especially liable to diabetes; in fact numerous observations show improvement of carbohydrate tolerance following its greater intake. The Staub-Traugott effect is a classical example of this in acute experiments. As a long-term effect diabetes mellitus is not especially common among the huge and mainly carbohydrate-eating populations of the world-e.g., the Chinese-except the rich and the sedentary among them who partake of large quantities of fat as well and encourage obesity by overeating.

>>13059485
>how insulin
[Image].

>otherwise rabbit starvation wouldnt be a thing or these brittle rice farmers wouldnt be brittle
>[Anon putting these random sentences out there as if they're relevant].
PS: Musculature comes from protein, etc., and (~optimally) correlatives of 1-RM.

>>13059485
>how insulin
[Image].

>otherwise rabbit starvation wouldnt be a thing or these brittle rice farmers wouldnt be brittle
>[Anon putting these random sentences out there as if they're relevant].
PS: Musculature comes from protein, etc., and – ~optimally – correlatives of 1-RM.

their food tastes like shit so they don't eat as much

>>13057828
turning carbs into sugar requres more energy than just eating plain sugar

It's partly because they are just smarter. Lower IQ people lack the will and planning to control their food intake. This is why Blacks are fatter than Whites in the US, but Asians are even slimmer.

>>13058675
This, there is no magic to it. Weigh yourself everyday at the same time on a scale and keep track of what you eat by counting calories

>>13059567
Image doesn’t mean shit, retard. Protein is extremely insulogenic and you do not get fat from protein, you can store fat when insulin is low. You’ll notice how none of these hilariously cherrypicked mechanisms can never magically explain how you gain fat from it without a caloric surplus

You get fat from caloric excess, fathead

>>13059549
>physical activity levels have not decreased, or have even increased, over the period of time that obesity prevalence has been increasing (11–14).So just excersize more

I hate how people get bogged down in these pedantic arguments about exercise. Adopting a regular exercise routine is the most healthy thing for both physical and mental health that the average American could do, next to not eating so much. If you're fat you should both eat less and exercise more, especially if you suffer from stress or mental health problems.

>>13059973
Exercise has a lot of benefits, but truly isn't necessary to maintaining weight since you will have to adjust your calorie intake regardless. But people really should get more physical activity, and if they don't want to do some sort of exercise routine then all they need to do is stuff like house chores, yard chores, taking a nice walk, standing instead of sitting, reorganizing stuff around the home, gardening, small hikes, etc. on a daily basis. A legitimate exercise routine that works different parts of the body combined with being generally active is ideal, but a lot of people don't like to do that and use "no gym time" as an excuse. Literally just don't sit all day long gorging yourself on shitty food.

>>13059155
> have been eating the same thing for 1000's of years.
Not really true at all. The Meji Restoration changed their diets pretty radically.
Funfact: When the Emperor rescinded the ban on eating meat in the 19th century, Japanese Monks committed public suicide in protest.

>>13058647

the laws of thermodynamics are not relevant in how an organism processes food.

you can't get fat on gasoline and gasoline has 19,400 calories per liter. because thermodynamics isn't a fucking factor in any meaningful way. your body can, and sometimes will, reject anything you put into it. your body can, and sometimes will, conserve everything it can and you'll shit less.

think about something for yourself once instead of just repeating things you heard on the internet.

>>13057733
18 hour work days

>>13060023
this, if we actually absorbed every calorie our shit would be white

>>13057733
Let's see....

>>13060023
You mentioned examples of the body not being able to use calories, which is not a concern when the goal is weight loss and not weight gain. When it comes to weight loss, restricting calories works. 100% of the time.

I find it surreal when people argue against CICO. Obviously it's more complicated than that, but the point is that you can't gain weight if your calories in are less than your calories out. That's what people mean when they cite the laws of thermodynamics.

>>13057954
>Tai Chi
>Japan

Carbs don't make you fat, calories make you fat

>>13060253
>Japan is all of Asia
Read you fucking moron

>>13060259
>He seriously thinks Tai Chi is japanese
fucking flyovers

>>13060262
>doubling down on your retardation

>>13060266
seethe

>>13060279
>>13060253
>>13060262
not him,
the comment chain was about asians in general.
the thread however is about japanese in particular.
thats where you got confused.
double check your reading

(but japanese are basically chinese in dna anyway, with some local aboriginal mixture)

>>13057733
Asians work/study schedule leaves them no time to eat or snack even. Im sure if you worked full on 7am - 10pm you'd have no time to eat. Maybe time for one meal but with one small bowl of rice a day you ain't gonna gain any weight.

>>13060415
Nurses and healthcare workers in the US use working long physically exhausting shifts on their feet all day as an excuse to be fat, too. Can you imagine what a pig someone would have to be to get that much physical activity with little time to eat and still manage to be obese? Asians don't eat enough to get fat whether or not they work long hours. Americans eat SO much that they get FATTER every day whether or not they work long hours.

>>13059948
>Protein is extremely insulinogenic.
This depends on specific sources. Whey is. Casein is minimalistic.

>you do not get fat from protein
Gluconeogenesis exists.

>you can store fat when insulin is low
Of interest is a specific example. The more likely phenomenon is that blood sugar and insulin are built up until a). nutrients are absorbed into muscles, and/or b). amongst protein-amounts seeking and usage-prediction (evidenced), "higher levels of amino acids are signaling the pancreas to produce the hormones glucagon and insulin. Insulin stimulates your muscle cells to take up amino acids, and glucagon causes your liver to release stored sugar." It's much more paced with mostly protein and fats; and it's possible that gluconeogenesis happens.

>>13058406
I don't know why people think the Japanese eat huge piles of rice and noodles all day long. The reality is that they eat mostly meat/seafood and vegetables.

Post your kg and height now.

>>13060689
>>13059948
PS: Nobody's necessarily claiming fat demographics from deficit or maintenance, but consistently snacking on sugary foods and beverages has the potential of storing fat, especially if (which seems somewhat prevalent) dietary protein amounts are low, and/or they're sedentary, pulling nitrogen and amino acids from musculature – obvious calories that weren't recently consumed.

>>13060689
>>13059948
PS: So, consistently snacking on sugary foods and beverages has the potential of storing fat, especially if (which seems somewhat prevalent) dietary protein amounts are low, and/or they're sedentary, pulling nitrogen and amino acids from musculature – obvious calories that weren't recently consumed.

>>13060708
.. That compounds with timing of physical activity, potentially getting most of those calories while being hungry – and when food is had, reparations are made (plausibly less efficiently than having initially kept the musculature, being reliant on correlatives of 1-RM for signalling how much is relevant) and extra is stored as fat.

>>13060708
Might explain why I stay a skinny fuck even though my diet isnt all that great. No snacks or soda.

>>13057862
It's how I've stayed in the green into my 30s. Just don't eat unsatisfying refined foods. It's like a real life cheat code. I usually start each day with a rich chocolate shake, containing some items on my daily checklist that happen to make the bananas and cocoa taste even better.

>>13060478
Don't confuse working long hours with activity, though. Nurses aren't exactly doing back breaking work that will spend your calories.

>>13060747
Literally just standing on your feet for 8 - 12 hours will cause you to burn enough calories to lose weight if you eat like a normal human being. They are standing, walking, bending over, picking things up, pushing things around, etc. They aren't working in a coal mine or as lumber jacks, no, but they are always on their feet and active practically the entire shift. Lots of people lose weight taking a one hour walk daily, and you're telling me that someone standing and walking ALL DAY has an excuse to be obese?

>>13060478
>Americans eat SO much that they get FATTER every day whether or not they work long hours.

I imagine it's more because they eat BAD food. Think about it. Go to McD, get large fries and a double. That's 1000 calories right there which is half your recommend daily intake, more or less. And what did you actually eat? Basically nothing so you don't feel full at all and no one is just eating on meal a day. Add snacks, drinks, etc and you can easily see how unhealthy eating piles up.

>>13060784
or you could simply not eat fast food. whatever you can prepare at home is better even if it's just a basic sandwich.

>>13060784
Healthcare workers always blame shitty vending machine food and having no time to eat good food. But come on now, you could eat a vending machine pastry in the morning, hospital cafeteria food for lunch, an ensure to hold you over until you get home, have a small dinner, and still maintain your weight especially considering they are not sedentary people. Also fries and a burger would be quite filling for me. Potatoes have a decent amount of nutrients, protein from the burger, some empty carbs from the buns, more than enough fat to keep you full. But the same dumb fuck who ordered that had the option to get something like a McMuffin with extra round egg and water or small coffee. That's why I'm pointing to a deep-seated cultural problem where people have every option possible available to them (fast food, convenience store, grocery store, homemade) and still choose to force down ridiculous amounts of food and pretend they have no idea how they could possibly be the fat fucks they have turned themselves into.

>>13057733
literally the ideal female form

>>13060747
Walking a couple miles a day when its busy seems like pretty decent exercise. My friend is a nurse and he tracks his activity.

>CARBS BAD
God I am looking forward to when this wank is debunked in 10 years and I don't have to hear morons shouting it literally every time food is mentioned in conversation.

>>13060942
Slight pudge is best

>>13057769
Peak mutt intelligence

>>13060950
OP image looks more than slight and firmly in pudgy territory

>>13060955
Dont be gay anon

>>13060968
>Don't be gay
>posts obvious tranny
??????

>>13060968
I didn't say it was a bad thing.

>>13060946
I think people will just start to make distinctions between less processed carbohydrates and refined sugars and flours like they did with natural fats and transfats. Nobody is going to be able to debunk that crazy myth that eating candy, cakes, and drinking soda as a main source of food is unhealthy.

>>13060970
I think you need some milk to cure all that gay also FUCK YOU JANNIES

>>13060694
this, rice was considered so valuable it was used as the backing for currency at one point, much like Salt was in the west. It was rich people food for most of it's history. Actual japanese staples are shit like cabbage, seaweed, millet, leeks, onion, seeds, etc. This is combined with seafood and pork and poultry, largely. Rice is an accompaniment.

>>13060735
>don't eat unsatisfying refined foods
>start each day with a rich chocolate shake
retard

>>13060809
humans are conditioned to like sweet food by evolution so your idea of just choose the healthy food bro is pretty much worthless

>>13061391
The cocoa is technically processed since the worthless oil is pressed out. The rest of it is whole fruit and seeds.

>>13061402
>i cant control my eating habbits because of evolution
Evolution also trained us to murder each other for pussy and things

>>13060978
I just got an 75 day ban for ban evaision. I hope thdy ban me for life next. Atleast my ban is for something i actually did this time and not a mandatory three day ban because of sonething someome else did

>>13061424
Make the jannies work for their non existant monetary reward. Fuck jannies

>>13060968
She needs dick

>>13060970
Sounds like you need pussy

>>13060023
this. your body isn't a fucking engine, hormones are at play in how your body uses those calories.it's not that straightforward

>>13057862
that's just so fucking wrong
so for a fact i know Hungarian food is meat-heavy, high fat, but also high carb with lots of sugar, so that's probably the worst combination
also Hungary is pretty overweight and has lots of diabetes cases
so no, carbs definately don't make you skinny

>>13061435
I assume their reward for being a janny is shutting down threads/banning people they dont agree with

>>13061446
put the fork down

>>13061446
it is that straightforward unless you have a hormonal disorder which you dont

>>13060023
You can't run your car on potatoes either so I guess thermodynamics doesn't apply to combustion engines.
Fucking idiot.

>>13058420
>>13058487
this, not all calories are created equal

>>13061454
Can you imagine doing such a job without a reward and even a word of thanks? Seems quite insane

>>13061476
Evidently not all brains and brain cells are either

>>13060215
CICO doesn't fucking work
how can people even say it works when like 80% of people regain weight after dieting because their metabolism adjusts itself to the lower caloric intake
at best CICO is just a temporary thing that ineffective long term
you can't outrun a bad diet

>>13061509
This has to be satire.

>>13061415
yep and we're still doing it, your point?

>>13061511
look it up, it's true, 80% of people regain weight after weight loss

>>13061415
evolution trained us to reject murderers and have empathy for even the weakest of us

>>13061520
>g-google it!!

>>13057733
carbs digested over 1000 times by superior Nippon metabolism. western metabolism cannot compete

>>13061520
That's because they do some fad diet for two weeks and then go right back to their retarded lifestyle, you idiot.

>>13057795

>>13061515
Murder is frowned upon in most societies now

>>13057896
Spot the amerifag, seriously do you all just make shit up the spot to make yourselves feel better? Ya fuckin sad act

>>13061509
retarrded argument
if cico didn't work then 100% would bounce back no?
No, because Cico works, only 80% of the people that diet can't adhere to it properly and change their lifestyle, they think a diet is temporary and then they go back to rewarding themselves with shit once they reach their goal, if they even reach it in the first place

>>13059957
Not a contradiction. What they're saying is the historical data points to lack of exercise not being a real factor in causing the obesity epidemic (instead increase in calories consumed was behind it) but more exercise could be a part of the solution.
Exercise definitely reduces how much net energy a person is going to take in for the day, it just happened to be eclipsed by the massive calorie increase underlying the obesity epidemic.

>>13060023
>the laws of thermodynamics are not relevant in how an organism processes food.

That explain the obese people in Auschwitz.

>>13061509
>CICO doesn't fucking work
>how can people even say it works when like 80% of people regain weight after dieting because their metabolism adjusts itself to the lower caloric intake
Bait. Everyone knows the cause of weight regain is because they stop adhering to the limited calorie diet, not because their metabolism started magically treating 2,000 calories like it was 3,000 calories.

Place a Japanese in the United States and watch them gain weight like mad. It's all about portions. A large Japanese soda is the equivalent to a small soda here.a large Japanese Pizza is like a personal pan pizza here. Then there's all the exercise. I was in Japan for like a month and I lost like 10 lb from all the walking and tiny portions.

>>13062021
imagine that. eat less calories than you burn and you lose weight. must be some kind of sorcery at work there...

>>13062021
Kek, some fatties itt are unironically trying to argue that it's muh european genes that make them fat while asians have the magical stay skinny genes though.

>>13057733
the food never reaches their mouth

>>13062032
He said portions and lifestyle, nothing to do with genes, fuck off angry nonanglo

>>13062021
This. At my university you can watch the chinks who came here on education visas go from rail thin freshman to pudgy seniors. They probably gain like 20-30 pounds on average.

>>13060023
Imagine trying so hard to be smart and yet being so retarded

>>13057802
rice has almost the same glycemix index as sugar

>>13062470
they're not even in the same group

>>13057733
BREHS

>>13062341
I'm not talking about the poster I'm replying to, retard.

>>13057769
This post triggers the weebs

>>13061402
How about sweet raw baby carrots dipped in hummus with some quickly grilled chicken thigh (done at home of course) and some minute rice? Lots of carbs, filling, satisfying, and won't make you fat like eating vending machine ho-hos all day would. This isn't rocket science.

>>13061402
By the way my first example still included a fucking pastry, cafeteria food (which you could probably get pasta or a wrap), a sweetened ensure, and whatever you choose for dinner. The point is that if you portion correctly and don't eat like an animal, there should be no issue. And if that doesn't seem like a lot of carbs and sugar to you, then you are beyond redemption.

>>13061520
That's because they need to stay dieting for LIFE, a lifestyle diet if you will, instead of going back to how they ate to make themselves fat.

>>13061402
Have some fucking willpower, you worthless sack of shit.

>>13062314
This is actually more true than you realize. Eating with chopsticks promotes slower more deliberate eating, allowing you to feel full after having eaten less.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5639963/
CICO is incorrect. Your weight is controlled mostly hormonally.
The reason you can eat carbs and not get fat despite carbs typically having a high glycemic index is because carbs as they are found in nature are always accompanied by fiber. Fiber (and vinegar) greatly lessens the insulin spike from eating carbs.

>>13063357
Your brain controls your weight, this doesn’t mean caloric intake isn’t the overwhelming determinant. Most people’s hormonal reactions will be the same. Hunger is not weight gain

>>13057896
You win the stupidest post I've seen all day award

>>13058029
>usa
>second highest quality of life
Yeah ok

>>13063371
I dont see what the relevancy of everyones hormonal reactions being the same? Just because they are doesnt mean that they arent the cause of the weight gain. If you keep your insulin levels artificially high, you will gain weight even on a large caloric deficit.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11574431

>>13063488
>If you keep your insulin levels artificially high, you will gain weight even on a large caloric deficit.
Proof?

>>13063552
https://idmprogram.com/insulin-causes-weight-gain-hormonal-obesity-iv/
Many articles cite the relevant results of this study, showing that patients consistently gained weight while injected with insulin at a 300 calorie/day deficit.
https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/16/1/21
I know its a bit ridiculous to not cite the study directly, but i think its equally ridiculous for me to pay $35 just to make this point.

>>13063650
It says decreased by 300 kcal, not a 300 kcal deficit.
They were still eating more than they should.

>>13063667
I cant find a copy of that locked study, and the other studies only look at insulin and weight gain without a calorie deficit, so i guess i concede on that point.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/sam-feltham/my-5000-calorie-experiment_b_3350869.html
What about the converse then? A person eats a 26,841 surplus over 3 weeks and only gains .1kg. Not to mention their waist actually shrinks.

>>13057733
Because you eat above your need calorie intake needed to maintain your current weight?

>>13062032
They kind of do. I have an Asian friend who I swear eats more than 3 people should daily, doesn't exercise at all but maintains and sometimes loses weight.

>>13063817
I literally posted evidence that eating calories above your maintenance does not necessarily make you gain weight right above your post.

If anyone is serious about learning what controls your weight, i urge you to just read this article (and the others on this site). Judge for yourself if its truthful or not.
https://idmprogram.com/how-do-we-gain-weight-calories-part-1/

>>13063766
As some other retard already said earlier; you can take in tens of thousands of kcal without gaining weight if your body is not utilising them. I think his example was petrol.
Some people do have a very aggressive metabolism, which still adheres to the the laws of thermodynamics of course, or they may simply not have efficient calorie uptake; effectively shitting out the food without make use of it.
CICO does not mean that your body will perfectly utilise every single kcal you eat or drink. It means that your body will not be able to conjure mass out of thin air.

>>13063766
>What about the converse then? A person eats a 26,841 surplus over 3 weeks and only gains .1kg. Not to mention their waist actually shrinks.
Am I supposed to just take his word for it?

>>13063886
Would that not just mean that you miscalculated your maintenance though? It seems to boil down to eat less.

>>13059490
Are you telling me you don’t have a tattoo? How strange.

>>13063899
>effectively shitting out the food without make use of it.
Wouldn't this be considered a serious disorder like hyperthyroidism? For most people though, they can choose the general diet they'd like to follow. They can choose roughly what their macros are and what foods they eat on a daily basis. They can estimate their TDEE as best possible, track their food and calorie intake as well as physical activity, weigh themselves weekly, track their progress, and see if it all matches up. If you should be losing a pound per week but aren't losing anything then you either messed up your calorie count or your TDEE doesn't match up with the estimate. They can make adjustments and try that for the next 4 weeks and see how it goes. Eventually you will figure out what your body needs to lose then maintain weight in a way that works for you. It really shouldn't be that hard though. I've done all different types of macros and foods, and it's never deviated from my estimated TDEE accounting for varying physical activity each day. More often than not people just don't track their intake properly.

>>13064022
That's not what hyperthyroidism is at all, no. Hyperthyroidism is about metabolising absorbed calories.
And we're all of us shitting out some of the calories we eat all the time anyway.
If a normal person eats thirty thousands kcal in one sitting his body isn't going to absorb and utilise all of it.

>>13062389
Same. The thick asian chicks are hot, too. Too bad I'm too awkward, autistic, and ugly to approach them.

>>13063967
You take the word of all the proponents of CICO. Wheres all the evidence of that?

>>13057862
>Die in your 50s from pollution/disease
>Retard makes infographic displaying your superior poor people diet.
lamb-o

>>13057762
Bait, I know, but have you ever seen any japanese martial artist ? A sumo wrestler maybe ?

>>13057769
This is objectively wrong

Social shaming.

>>13062021
Kinda this. If you follow a lot of japanese people on Twitter, even just artists, there's nothing more they love to do then post whatever food they ate for lunch today or food they ate when they ate out with their friends. They eat fast food and desserts all the time too. They just eat smaller portions of it. Like their "hamburger + fries combo" meals, are the equivalent to a kids or small size in the us.

And sushi is definitely not as popular in japan as I thought for a casual lunch. I see them post more ramen bowls or sandwiches instead. I mostly see them eat sushi when they're eating with other people in a restaurant.

>>13064546
Going by percentage couldn’t be more meaningless, good catch anon

Tapeworms

>>13063650

>300 calories/day deficit

???

That's not a ''large'' calorie deficit. A large calorie deficit would be like 1000-1500 deficit a day.

>>13057733
sugar diet is what makes so many so fat
that or beer

carbs don't make you fat, it's just another industry deflection just like they blamed dietary fat 30 years ago

Not this asian!

>>13066767
>perfect skin
>no stretch marks on the thighs
>face is still cute
>all this while being a hamplanet
What the fuck? Asians are even better than us at being fat. How we will ever recover Ameribros?

Processed food causes obesity

Japs aren’t fat because genetics and not eating american processed food.

>>13057733
They eat in moderation. Also most of their diet is based on soup and seafood.

>>13066776
it's called filters my dude
t. spent a year living in china and placed my semen inside multiple women

>>13057733
All carbs are not the same. Carbs don't make you fat, eating too much carbs makes you fat--eating too much anything makes you fat.
If you still want to focus on carbs, then you can look at what carbs they're eating, how they're eating them, and what they're eating them with. You'll find that most of the carbs the Japanese consume are from rice and/or breading for fried food, typically paired with something high in fat or protein. The satiety factor of their meals is high, and they are a busy people so laziness and boredom doesn't turn into snacking between meals. They also don't have excessively sized portions, which means their body isn't tricked into feeling hungry or unsatisfied if they don't stuff themselves full.

>>13064391
>Wheres all the evidence of that?
Personal anecdotes aside, basic science? If you don't consume any calories you will not gain weight. If you don't consume any calories you will lose weight.

Also, you should note the importance of it being "Calories In, Calories Out" and not just "Calories In". Everyone's lives and bodies are not the same. While it's not hard to accurately measure the intake of calories, it's much harder to accurately measure how many calories a person uses up or expels. Any time you start talking about a "deficit" or "surplus", you need to acknowledge that you're talking about personalized guesstimates.

>>13063766
Testing period is way too short, and this reads less like a study and more like a blog.

The fact that people still think carbs=fat/weight gain show how much of a failure american health classes are

>>13067162
We don't have "health" classes anymore, those are the first to be eliminated in red state curricullums. Hell, we're lucky we still have science classes if you can call it science since they're required to teach the biblical creation myth as equal to evolution, lol!

>>13061446
>why yes i am fat how could you tell?

>>13066937
Japs eat fucking tons of processed food, they have a bigger snack food culture than the rest of us combined.

>>13067283
How much do you want to bet that that retard talking out their ass for no reason votes left?

>>13061509
>after dieting

>>13057769
>asians never exercise
Wrong.

>>13066937
>muh genetics
Sure thing, just look at these people buying all those genetics >>13067239

>>13067338
If this is the proof that asians exercise then you might as well claim king arthur was actually a tiny blonde girl

>>13057733
japanese have smaller portions and they eat slower. That way they can stop when they're satisfied by not overfull. They're also a lot more physical because they tend to commute to get around

>>13067239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6_HcRhzOpE

>>13067553
fatties are delusional

>>13057769
Bullshit. Ive lived in Japan a long time, 24 hour gyms are always busy.
Stairways in cities show how many calories you burn climbing them, all Japanese are strict with diets too.
My girlfriend will skip meals if she gets too big too, and she weighs 40kg

>>13057733
lived in Japan for 10 years here.
Japanese generally
>eat soup, rice and sauted veggies with nearly every meal
>believe meat is what makes you fat, so they only eat small portions of it
>drink a LOT of water and tea, where as in the west people chug way too much soda and energy drinks
>they eat until they're satisfied. they rarely/never eat until they're "full"
>from when they start elementary school they're taught to force themselves to eat what they're given, resulting in no picky eaters
>the keto, gluten free, vegetarian/vegan, dairy-free bullshit never spread there because that's all a western meme
>from Junior High School they're all heavily encouraged to join a sports club at school, practice being 4 hours a day, 6 days a week on top of their 8h a week of PE classes.
>part of being a good Shinto Buddhist is taking care of your body, eating well and staying fit yadda yadda
>1/3 of their PE classes in school is book study, where they learn to count calories in food, plan healthy diets and study how different exercises are good for this that or the other.
>Home Ec (cooking) classes are compulsory from 5th grade, they're able to scale and gut their own fish before they finish elementary school, so everyone knows how to cook proper food
>local produce is cheaper than buying pre-made/frozen meals or fast food, unlike in the US where everything is injected with HFCS to offset costs.

>>13057740
I exercise (2 mile run plus 1 hour of lifting) 4 days/week and was still gaining weight. I went on keto and lost 20lbs in a month.

>>13063650
I've read somewhere that the authors of the article/study will gladly send it to you cause the journals don't pay them shit anyway.

>>13057733
Smaller portion sizes, diets that are primarily rice, vegetables and fish and better eating habits.

>>13068351
Yep this is true. Most would love to send you their research because oftentimes it's barely read anyways, so they don't mind sending it if you ask nicely.

>>13057795
More carbs.

>>13057733
Carbs don’t make you fat. I bake sourdough once a week and through ups and downs have lost 20 pounds in the past year. It’s not major weight loss but it’s there, count calories until you learn to eat less. If your unsure just keep counting, that’s it.

Carbs don't make you fat, excess calories do.

>>13057733
because their metabolism is optimized for carbs absorption, other races get fat from them

>>13057795
When you're right, you're right.

The final foodpill is accepting that genetics actually do affect weight loss tremendously. Asians have immense difficulty actually gaining weight no matter what they eat.

>>13058705
>Everybody in Europe
Everybody in European cities, I live in the countryside and I can't do shit without a car.

>>13060259
Read you fucking moron, the anon you replied to was questioning why the anon he replied to said tai chi was a japanese thing

>>13057903
>Japanese get taxed if they're fat only sumo wrestlers are exempt

Is this real life?

>>13068490
HNNNNGGHH

>>13068638
>m-muh magical asian jeans that keep them thin
No, there's lot of overweight Asians. Stop making retarded excuses and put the fork down.

>>13068605
Instead of spouting pseudoscience you should count calories, fattie.

>>13057733
1. carbs do not "make you fat"
2. "skinny" is not an indication of metabolism, TDEE, muscle mass, et cetera
3. calories in calories out

>>13067239
USA ! USA ! USA !

>>13057733
They aren't they just aren't morbidly obese. Also they have adult fat camps in Japan.

>>13068835
>Magical

Genetics affect tons of things from intelligence, resistances to illnesses/disorders, body composition. You think statistics don't demonstrate it?

>>13069578
STOP
STUFFING
YOUR
FACE

>>13066776
>wow she's so perfect in this filtered to shit low res image!
You need to go back

>>13068731
No one said tai chi was a japanese thing you fucking peabrain
How hard is it to read the whole reply chain?

>>13070391
>women wonder what’s the appeal of anime girls
>while simultaneously doctoring their pictures into cartoons

>>13068490
ok a little too much

what food have no carbs?

This shit really isn't hard, OP.
>stop drinking soda/milk with every meal
>get a gym membership and use it
>have no more than two or three meals per day. snacks are fine if they're small
>drink a few cups of water per day
>pick up a martial art and start practicing

Like the only reason you dipshits didn't have a hot slender gf in high school was because you all were too obsessed with pizza. Imagine that. Papa John's was what kept you from getting pussy in the past. Was it worth it? How much longer are you gonna let your addiction hold you back?

>>13061435
Who’s the girl in the photo?

>>13063650
The study is on scihub. Just paste in the title and you get a pdf.

>>13070431
I had no gfs because I was and still am a fucking sperg when it comes to social interactions. No one cares about the quite kid. I always was skinny too.

>>13070431
Why do you people always think it’s about not getting a hot girl when these guys are virgins

>>13057733
The problem with carbs is that foods high in them are very easy to consume. It’s easy to eat lots of pasta, rice, potatoes or bread, especially when combined with fats and proteins. If you cut carbs however, the choice of food becomes limited and it’s harder to overindulge. Sure you can eat a big ribeye steak that’s 1k calories, or lots of bacon, or butter or eggs, or some other high fat food, and these things are high calorie, but you’ll struggle to eat enough of them consistently to put on weight. Keto might seem bad when they say you can eat as much bacon as you want, but nobody is eating 50 slices a day. It’s very easy to eat a whole baguette with butter though, or a pack of doughnuts or an entire pizza.

>>13057795

One of my ex gf's had a little pouch like that, a bit smaller though, and I used to grab it when we were cuddling and she hated it so much :D

>>13068490
The fact women feel bad about their bodies when they have weapons like this makes me fucking sad.

>>13067742
>I was doing muscle building activities and I was gaining weight

Shocker

>>13070583
Fat women don’t feel bad about their bodies though, they think we should accept them

>>13057733
Because they eat a ton of sodium which makes them insulin sensitive and satiated quickly. Sodium is necessary to keep trim. Problem is that it spikes blood pressure, which combined with all the drinking means the Japanese are especially prone to hemmhoragic stroke

>>13061622
> amerifag, seriously do you all just make shit up the spot to make yourselves feel better?
It's literally what Americans are trained to do. "I MUST FEEL GOOD ABOUT MYSELF ALL THE TIME! DON'T CRITICIZE ME!"

Americans believe in themselves up to and beyond the point where it becomes detrimental to themselves.

>>13057896
retard

>>13070431
>starts sentence with "like"
>unironically believes pizza makes you fat
>brings alleged lack of a sex life out of nowhere
found the roastie

>>13069578
ok, can I see some study about Asians breaking the rules of thermodynamics?

>>13071488
>muh thermodynamics
Energy regulation is one of the most finely honed aspects of human evolution and it is not surprising that different populations exhibit differences in the myriad mechanisms that the body uses to adapt to its nutritional environment. Our muscles may burn energy in the same way, but digestion efficiency, thermogenesis, and non-conscious movements all vary widely.

>>13071511
Eat less.

>>13070611
yes I was gaining fat because the exercises made me hungrier more often and I wasn't counting macros

>>13070531
Yeah, people fail to take satiety into consideration. They just go "muh willpower, muh personal responsbility." We're wet machines, not divine beings. When you eat fat without the carbs, the body tells you you're done eating REAL quick.

>>13057733

They don't eat like gaijin PIGGU

>>13070548
nice, sounds really sweet

>>13073414
Zed's Dead

日本人はインシュリンの分泌量が少ない傾向があるから
糖をとっても脂肪に変わらない人が多いだけ
その代わりに糖尿病は多い

>>13057733
>why are the Japanese skinny?
Most obese people in the US are black or Mexican.

>>13057733
portion control
carbs "make you fat" because the human body is wired to consume as much sugar as possible because it was an incredibly rare resource before the advent of mass agriculture and is extremely easy to convert to energy

>>13074696
>>13070548

Based and pulp filled

>>13057733
>tfw 47kg and 5'0"
I guess being poor has its merit sometimes

>>13057802
This. One tiny 100-200g bowl of rice a few times a day is not going to make you fat. Their desserts are not nearly as sweet as in the west and they use honey and real sugar rather than HFCS.

That said, they are getting fatter due to all the western food the younger generations have been eating.

>>13060023
This is it, this is the dumbest thing written on this board in 2019.

>>13060023
Well there’s no such thing as a completely efficient engine

>>13057795
Fuck I hate chubby chasers. They literally make me seethe.

>>13070431
imagine depriving yourself of fun just to chase pussy lmao
have sex

>>13058647
>>13058647
>the laws of thermodynamics.

>>13060023
Based retard
Keep trying maybe one day you'll say something that makes sense by accident.

>>13077243
fat

>>13077243
Here he comes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1z4JfxFb6c&t=44s

>>13063284
i also think the fact that nips like to eat from several small plates instead of just one big plate slows down their eating by quite a bit.