/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>13032626
No. If anything, they got one thing right: diets high in refined sugars are unhealthy.

>>13032626
You know that has nothing to do with keto and everything to do with aging beef, right?

>>13032657
yeah, there is some legitimacy to the argument that carbs can be bad. they just need to be able to differentiate between refined carbs and unrefined ones, and also realize that overeating is the main reason for weight gain, not just carbs.

>>13032665
thats just a fad. literally wasting butter for nothing

>>13032676
No, it's providing an air-tight, water-repellent seal around the beef.

>>13032672
yeah and the tendency to overeat is caused from regularly consuming carbs. Of course it comes down to CICO, everybody knows that. Even regular carbs can cause inflamation and make you feel unhealthy.

>>13032685
But that would keep the moisture in the meat.
Isn't the idea drying it to intensify the flavor

>>13032695
>yeah and the tendency to overeat is caused from regularly consuming carbs.
refined carbs, maybe. whole grains, beans, fruit, etc. are all pretty satiating.

>Even regular carbs can cause inflamation and make you feel unhealthy.
not really, at least not from the studies i looked at. they showed only refined carbs causing inflammation because they digest too quickly, but that's not a problem with unrefined ones.

>>13032672
I think the popularity of it lies with the fact that almost everything you can buy at grocery stores now is made up of some combination of bleached white flours, hydrogenated vegetable oils, and added refined sugars, let alone that people drink sugar water all day long. Nutritionally, the world has gone fucking crazy. This is why people are doing keto, atkins, paleo, and vegetarian diets now. The standard Western diet is fucking whacked. It's all processed junk.

>>13032770
In fact, in order to avoid just those three ingredients a person would technically fall into one of those "crazy" fringe diets.

>>13032790
They all have stupid fucking names now though. In the past people used to just refer to it as healthy diets, or not eating junk food. Dietary common sense is gone.

>>13032672
Keto isn't a weight loss diet It's a holistic health diet.

>>13032626
Vegan is the healthiest diet

>>13032770
It's people's fault if they are too lazy to buy ingredients separately and cook themselves instead of buying frozen shit. People often use the "but I work a lot" excuse. I do 12 hours a day + commute and still find time to cook without having to meal prep.

@13032626
Kill yourself graincel

>>13032823
I hate plantcucks so fucking much

>>13032711
Based common sense anon

>>13032695
Then why do the longest living populations eat carb-heavy diets? Why are the Japanese so skinny?

>>13033447
Their genotype does better with a carb heavy diet.

>>13032695
>Of course it comes down to CICO, everybody knows that.
Plenty of people think it's impossible to gain weight on a keto diet and that carbs inherently make you fat no matter what.

>>13033449
Every single time.

>>13033460
>le we all bleed the same genetics don't real universalism

>>13033465
Stop stuffing your face, fattie.

>>13033460
Soda should be banned for everyone under 16 years of age. The distributors should be court ordered to put these labels on the cans/bottles and maybe even a picture that shows someone obscenely obese or sick (similar to the cigarette packages in the EU).

>>13033469
statist cuck

>>13033476
corporate cuck

>>13032626
Veganism is arguably worse but all fad dieters are retarded. The ideal diet is well rounded and low in heavily processed trash.

>>13032823
*baby dies from vegan diet malnutrition*

>>13033476
People are not able to look after themselves. Liberty is a lie. Most people are stupid.

>>13032672
And eating carbs at night....
And eating carbs because you're lazy and don't want to cook....
And eating carbs in order to feel good....

All these diets serve one very good purpose: get people adjusted to normal eating

>>13033447
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5U4AEiLt5U
Car ownership is relatively rare in BASED NIPPON compared to the rate that burgerfats drive

>>13032672
unironically ketosis makes you more energetic for longer with less of a taper, but much less burst enregy
I did keto for 2 months and my mile time dropped by a full minute in the first week
by the end of the 2 months my mile time was about 15 seconds slower
once I stopped and started consuming carbs again I got the midafternoon slump back but my mile time was about 30 seconds faster than before I started keto

>>13033447
Japanese
>walk a lot
>eat a ton of vegetables and lean, healthy meat
>rice, the carb of choice, doesn’t go through the refinement, enrichment, and processing that breads go through
>overall has less sugar, unhealthy fats and better quality foodstuffs than a Western style diet

>>13034286
don't forget:
>shame fatties
the mid 20th century american physique was much healthier than early 21st century japs

>>13032665

t. flat earther

>>13034286
How do you explain Italians? They aren't precisely known for being fat and their lufe expectancy is among the highest.

>>13034318
olive oil man
it's a drug
doncha know?

>>13033701
>sensationalist news company promotes antiveganism due to Big Ag and Big Pharm being most of the top lobbiests, though every major health and nutritional science collective says that veganism is healthy for all stages of life
Ftfy

>>13032626

>>13034390
>it's all a big conspiracy against eating plants!
take your meds schizo
oh wait that's a "big pharm" conspiracy too, right?

>>13034430
try replicating gravity in your little experiment and get back to me

>>13032626
More like FAT earthers, amirite! AMIRITE?

>>13034098
>other people can't look after themselves therefore I need to surrender my liberty
Kill yourself, bootlicking (((NWO))) zog shill

>>13034390
>nutritional science collective
((()))

>>13033701
*record number of kids with heart disease growing by the year*

Meatcucks are this dumb?

>>13034803
>animal products cause heart disease
nope, that's the refined sugar derived from the sugar cane (plant)

>>13033469
It would be better if they just went back to 6 oz serving sizes instead of 12/20 oz being more common.

>>13032626
Ketosis is good and healthy but you're better off just fasting to get it for a few days like once a month

>>13034974
can't it take as much as 3 days to kick your body into ketosis?

>>13032626
No. That would be the people who follow the blood type diet

>>13034496
Exactly. The physical laws are nothing like what they want us to believe.

>>13034990
If you're water fasting and not eating meat it's like 2 days max.

>>13035021
so you fast for 2 days to get into ketosis once/month and then what?
stay keto and eat keto for a while or just go back after being in ketosis for a couple of hours?

>>13032626
>Are ketoers the flat earthers of food?
If nothing else they are avoiding highly processed shit tier junk food although still sickly faggots

Is your diet limiting carbs? limiting sugar? limiting caloric intake?

Then it's not a fucking meme, it's just a diet

>>13032672
Beyond dumb post
Sounds like nonsense from fit

>>13035037
You stay in it if you want the benefit. Why the fuck would be have your body switch just to go back?

>>13034803
ever notice all this heart disease only became a problem after sugar got added to fucking everything, dipshit?

>>13037882
The high rates of obesity are probably the biggest factor. Even with a shitty diet, your risk of heart disease is a lot lower if you're at a normal weight.

>>13036919
>doesn't refute anything
>just "hurr u from other board and u dumb"
please explain why saying refined grains are worse than whole grains and that overeating makes you fat is dumb.

>>13036912
and diets are a meme that only take in shit countries with no culinary culture

>>13032626
vegans are the flat earthers of food
>schools teach at young age about the basic food groups and how you need variety
>schools teach at young age that earth is round
>spend the rest of their life screeching that people lied to them because they dont die from eating only potatoes from the fish and chip stand
>spend the rest of their life screeching that people lied to them because maps are flat

by comparison keto is just like being a very vocal extremist on whether or not Atlantis exists
who the fuck gives a shit about keto at least they aren't killing babies (yet)

>>13032626
Nobody lives on keto. You do keto for a few months to cut weight and then you go back to eating maintenance.

It's not sustainable. Carbs aren't the enemy, sugar is

>>13032626
Well I have seizures and I was was put on keto by my doctor doctor.

>>13034286
Dude they fry fry everything.

>>13032626
just imagine how many imbeciles have shat their pants at work due to eating only fat and protein

>>13038100
Zero?

>>13038107
Probably at least 50,000

>>13038132
Dude no. 99% of the things that give people diarrhea is some form of plant, a sugar, or sugar alcohol . Various forms of complex carbohydrates (lol fiber), refined vegetable oils, lactose, artificial sweeteners, spicy peppers, etc.

>>13038162
sugar is an osmotic laxative in massive amounts but you have to drink like an entire 2 liter of soda. I know, I used to do that.
But with massive amounts of fat, undigested fat becomes a problem. There can only be so much until your stool falls apart.

>>13038183
How much? I'm curious. I bet it's something silly like a retard youtube guy chugging a gallon of oil amount.

>>13038231
over 150 grams according to the internet

>>13037095
basically my point

>>13038100
I've actually been shitting much less since starting keto m8
less fiber innit

>>13032626
No, that's vegans.

>>13032672
>CARBS BAD
God I am looking forward to when this wank is debunked in 10 years and I don't have to hear morons shouting it literally every time food is mentioned in conversation.

>>13038437
>there is some legitimacy to the argument that carbs can be bad
>ignores this statement entirely and only reads "ALL CARBS ARE BAD REGARDLESS OF CIRCUMSTANCE"
keto, atkins, southbeach, etc. are designed to stop people from eating refined sugars and simple carbohydrates because they are highly caloric while offering little to no satiation
that's literally all it is
calm the fuck down

>>13037939
Look at the sphere Sphere How many flat surfaces ... - Help Teaching
https://www.helpteaching.com/.../look-at-the-sphere-sphere-how-many-flat-surfaces-d......
Look at the sphere. Sphere How many flat surfaces does a sphere have? 0 How many edges does asphere have? 0

This question is public and is used in 62 tests or worksheets.
Level: Kindergarten

https://www.redbull.com/ca-en/mysterious-places-part-5

https://www.usu.edu/geo/geomorph/kansas.html

The hard part was creating a flat map of the Earth’s surface with four months’ of satellite data. Then we wrapped the flat map around a ball. My part was integrating the surface, clouds, and oceans to match people’s expectations of how Earth looks from space.
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/about/people/RSimmon.html

>>13034496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNlXjAZHu1s

>>13034720
>>13034725
based and red pilled

>>13038497
cool fallacy
I wasn't saying that if you don't know about gravity you're wrong
I was saying that a physical barrier serves as a force to keep matter close to the surface, but gravity is able to do the same thing. Try some experiments holding objects to a magnet's underside. You'll find non ferrous materials need an adhesive or binding while something made from steel or iron simply sticks on its own accord.

>>13038476
thats literally what ketards think though they think fruit is basically candy because muh sugar

>>13035037
Just go back. The point of fasting is the bodily repair. Ketosis is just part of it.

>>13033447
>Why are the Japanese so skinny?
They eat less and do more exercise.

>>13037939
This. Even their bullshit morality argument doesn't hold water.

>say they dont contribute to the deaths of animals
>thinks farmers politely ask the groundhogs and rabbits to leave
>has no clue about the war being waged on feral hogs in the us to protect farmland

>>13038636
Oh so carbs DONT make you fat and lazy got it

>>13038594
"ketard" here
In ketosis fats like oil and butter are more satiating than out of ketosis, so while whole grains aren't "bad", they prevent your body from feeling satiated on a caloric deficit

Sugar is more dangerous than meat, carbs or fat for the average persons diet.

Adult males should have no more that 9 teaspoons of sugar a day. Most adults and kids get that per meal.

It is easier for our bodies to process simple carbs like rice and simple fats than any wheat based grain or bread

>>13032695

>Imagine still falling for the CICO meme in the year 2019.

Yikes, cringe and blue pilled.

>>13038722
Sugar is a carbohydrate, you colossal fucking retard.

>>13032626
Eat food and count your calories. Any other diet is for retards

>>13038814
Is /ck/ defying the laws of thermodynamics again?

>>13038846
Hi there, diabetic here! While sugar is classified is a carbohydrate, it has its own traits and behaviors, as well as the way in which it is metabolized. I understand this is 4chan but you look like a fucking retard when you call others stupid while not understanding the subject yourself.

>>13038508
fucking magnets, how do they work?

>>13038875
>diabetic here
And you're saying he's the retard?
You've made bad life choices and ended up fucking up your body. Take a long look at yourself, beetus boy.

>>13038897
>didn’t acknowledge any of the post, just found something he could make fun of instead of addressing or making a counterpoint

Lol ok

>>13038856
>inject tren
>lose fat and gain muscle while not giving a fuck about diet

Protip: hormones, sleep, bloodwork, exercise, micros

>>13034318
Short answer: They aren't American
Long answer: Pastas are consumed in massive amounts, but not the way chips and bread are here in the states. There are a bunch of fat fucking Italians, but they're all brown and love football. They're also outside more than Americans, and in Europe the flyover state sedentary aesthetic isn't common.

>>13038897
Type 1 you cumguzzling turbonigger

Vegans are the flat earthers. Ketofags are the scientologists

>>13038933
Seems exactly the opposite to me. Keto isn't a pseudomorality cult like veganism, it's a whoa dude they have been lying to us about sugar since the 60s man secret

Keto (i.e. less than 20g of carbs daily) is too extreme for my tastes. I just eat no more than 50g of carbs daily and I feel great, I workout as well (calisthenics) and I have all the strength and energy I need.

Consuming a lot of carbs is only justifiable in the case of elite athletes trying to push the boundaries of their peak performance, that's it. If you're an average Joe who exercises thrice a week, you should get all your carbs from simply consuming a shitload of fresh low carb veggies.

Keto (i.e. less than 20g of carbs daily) is too extreme for my tastes. I just eat no more than 50g of carbs daily and I feel great, I workout as well (calisthenics) and I have all the strength and energy I need.

Consuming a lot of carbs is only justifiable in the case of elite athletes trying to push the boundaries of their peak performance, that's it. If you're an average Joe who exercises thrice a week, you should get all your carbs from simply consuming a shitload of fresh low carb veggies.

>>13038975
>Consuming a lot of carbs is only justifiable in the case of elite athletes trying to push the boundaries of their peak performance, that's it.
Yeah im so terribly fat from the fruit and potatoes I eat, if only i was a marathon runner

>>13038924
That literally means nothing. You just described yourself gaining muscle mass aka weight

>>13038996
Marathon runners are not elite athletes. I'm talking shit like Olympic sprinters, wrestlers and powerlifters. Unironically, endurance sportsmen like marathon runners can run on ketones/fat with no need for carbs and do no worse than those who eat a liberal diet of carbs.

Also, modern fruit sold in supermarkets is sugar-laden, selectively bred trash that is specifically made to contain as much sugar as possible. These fruits are anything but natural.

>>13038996
Literally yes.

The butter on your steak is doing less to kill you than all the sugar in the fruit and all the sugars and and complex carbs in your breads and pastas

>>13039048
Yeah sure thing retard. These blueberries I’m munching on are LITERALLY clogging my arteries

Natural selection at its finest

>>13039021
Lol Olympic sprinters are elite athletes but not marathon runners? Marathon runners dont eat boatloads of carbs for energy reserves?

>Unironically, endurance sportsmen like marathon runners can run on ketones/fat with no need for carbs and do no worse than those who eat a liberal diet of carbs.
Yet absolutely none of them do

>Also, modern fruit sold in supermarkets is sugar-laden, selectively bred trash that is specifically made to contain as much sugar as possible. These fruits are anything but natural.
That also increases the nutrition content

Find me one actual piece of evidence regarding malnourishment from fruit consumption

>>13039021
>OH NO YELLOW BANANA BAAAAD!!!

*eats a burger from a transcontinental animal bred to be as fat and muscular as possible*

People who are giving 20 servings of fruit a day show no adverse effects, and additionally had a 38 point drop in LDL cholesterol
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11288049/

Fruit restriction offered no benefits in type 2 diabetics whereas ample fruit consumption did as it improved glycemic control
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23497350/

Industrial/pure fructose NOT whole fruit is unhealthy
https://www.journal-of-hepatology.eu/article/S0168-8278(13)00553-9/fulltext

Blueberries’ polyphenols decreases oxidation postpandrially in a high carb meal
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22935321/

Polyphenols in strawberries and apples decrease glucose uptake
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20564476/

Black currant and lingoberries significantly slow glycemic response when consumed with pure sucrose, as well as optimizing overall metabolic responses to sucrose consumption
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22854401/

Ample doses of fruit lower glycemic response in high GI meals
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411192/

Blueberries blunt insulin response even when consumed with white bread
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23365108/

Moderate fruit diet far superior to low fruit diet especially in weight management
https://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/S0026-0495(11)00095-3/fulltext

17 servings of fruit a day offered no adverse effects and even improved weight management, blood pressure, insulin, and lipid levels
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/5573330/

>>13039055
>falling for the "higher absolute value of LDL is bad" meme
It's the shitty ratio of LDL/HDL that is actually an indicator of coronary heart disease risk, brainlet. Simple increase in LDL means jack shit, because it can accompanied by changes in HDL as well. Also, there is no proven correlation between consumption of dietary cholesterol and changes of blood cholesterol.

The other anon was completely right, the sugar you eat in your shitty fruit mutants is 10x worse than any amount of fat you can consume.

>>13039003
It literally means that hormones matter more than cico.

>>13039060
>Lol Olympic sprinters are elite athletes but not marathon runners?
Correct. If you don't understand the difference between endurance sports (i.e. marathon running) and sports where you need to perform intense bursts of highly strenuous activity (sprinting), then you legitimately have sub-60 IQ. A grandpa can run a marathon, doesn't make him an elite athlete.

>That also increases the nutrition content
>carbs are nutrition
Lmao. Carbs are just empty calories with zero nutritional value, brainlet.

>>13034430
Vacuums don't suck

>>13039069
>It's the shitty ratio of LDL/HDL that is actually an indicator of coronary heart disease risk, brainlet.
So what do you think the ratio of LDL to HDL is in cholesterol and saturated fat laden foods?

HDL’s protective benefits are widly overstated if even existent
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/when-hdl-cholesterol-doesnt-protect-against-heart-disease

People with abnormally genetically high HDL have almost no cardiovascular protection
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(12)60312-2.pdf

>Also, there is no proven correlation between consumption of dietary cholesterol and changes of blood cholesterol.
Yeah see this is the flat earther shit people were talking about

>The other anon was completely right, the sugar you eat in your shitty fruit mutants is 10x worse than any amount of fat you can consume.
LOOOOOOOL

Find one study, fatboy. Enjoy natural selection. Fucking fat retards act like fruit isn’t sugary in the wild to get animals to eat and shit out the seeds. Braindead monkeys

>>13039081
So if I inject planes of hormones in me it’ll affect me? Someone get this man a Nobel Prize.

>>13039083
The same grandpa can sprint 200m you fat retard. Go ahead and tell me you will ever come close to doing 26.2 miles in 2.5 hours fatboy

>Lmao. Carbs are just empty calories with zero nutritional value, brainlet.
Fatty doesnt know shit about nutrition and sufffers from Dumbfuck-Kucker Syndrome, im shocked!

The longest living population on Earth just eats empty calories with no nutritional value

>>13039083
Are you afraids of books as muy as you are of carbs?

>>13039021
>trash
much like your opinion

>>13032626
>Are ketoers the flat earthers of food?
You mean correct? Yes
>But the schools told me we're on a spinning ball of water
And now they're teaching kids you can change your gender

>>13039097
>prediction
>prediction
>prediction
What kind of pseudoscience babble is this? Modern research has debunked the dietary-blood cholesterol connection (unless you have shit genetics and even then it does not increase the risk of heart disease):

>When your dietary intake of cholesterol goes down, your body makes more. When you eat greater amounts of cholesterol, your body makes less. Because of this, foods high in dietary cholesterol have very little impact on blood cholesterol levels in most people

>Even though dietary cholesterol modestly increases LDL in these individuals, it does not seem to increase their risk of heart disease

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/dietary-cholesterol-does-not-matter#heart-disease

You see, you call me a "flat-Earther", but you are so focused on your extremely limited and highly dubious research, that you refuse to acknowledge mountains of research that say otherwise. You are the very definition of a cultist.

>>13039128
How many chins do you have?

>>13039134
How many dilators do you have?

>2018 Sep

>There appears to be no consistent benefit to all-cause or CVD mortality from the reduction of dietary saturated fat. Further, saturated fat has been shown in some cases to have an inverse relationship with obesity-related type 2 diabetes. Rather than focus on a single nutrient, the overall diet quality and elimination of processed foods, including simple carbohydrates, would likely do more to improve CVD and overall health.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30084105

>b-but saturated fat is bad!

Sugar-eating trannies on suicide watch.

>>13039147
Can I play with your moobs while you cry about carbs?

>>13039132
>What kind of pseudoscience babble is this
LMAO, actual science you unread fat fucking retard. Have you honestly ever read something other than a fucking coloring book in your fat fuck life?

>Modern research has debunked the dietary-blood cholesterol connection
Yet you cant post a single fucking thing about it apparently LMAO

Modern research debunked these guys consuming cholesterol and their arteries getting clogged from plaque? Must be genetics!
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.cir.0000103664.47406.49

Healthline is a fucking blog
Post the actual research, it’s well known that if you eat such a fuck ton of cholesterol your liver will shut down production if it

Btw this is literally the source paper for your last statement that was hilariously editorialized
>Moreover, dietary oxidized cholesterol significantly increased aortic lesions in apo‐E and LDL receptor‐deficient mice. A typical Western diet is rich in oxidized fats and therefore could contribute to the increased arterial atherosclerosis in our population.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/mnfr.200500063

You read blogs, I read research which is why you’re a fat retard and I’m not

Tell me why evidence is dubious and limited when almost 400 metabolic ward studies support it
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/

>>13039167
An opinion piece. Truly devastating

>>13039180
>Healthline is a fucking blog
Which contains all the links to the actual research. You have this strange obsession with posting links to papers, probably think it makes you look smart. Come back when you debunk all of this, tranny:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30084105
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6361299
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3773199
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10856769
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9819099
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26226707
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22090275
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2642759
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3773199
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22037012
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8857917
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26109578
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7585286
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12672915
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12074253
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19852882
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9430080
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18203890
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28418171
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16270280
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19751443
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26109578
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26864369
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16340654

See, I can post links too. Literal MOUNTAINS of research that prove you wrong, tranny.

>>13039205
based tranny destroyer

>>13039205
It contains all of the links you didnt bother reading. You quoted some editorialized bullshit from there that literally contradicts the study its citing that says dietary cholesterol is plaque forming and atherogenic LMAO

YOU read blogs, I read research.

You can post links but you’re too fat and retarded to even understand them

Tell me how my evidence is limited and shoddy when supported by 400 metabolic ward studies, the absolute highest tier of evidence possible

>>13039099
So if you want to really be effective check your bloodwork regularly instead of counting dorito calories. The time of day you eat food, amount of sleep, amount of exercise, micronutrients all matter cico is babbys oversimplification because babby likes easy answers to difficult questions.

>>13039223
>1997
That's all I need to see, tranny.

Again:

>2018 Sep

>There appears to be no consistent benefit to all-cause or CVD mortality from the reduction of dietary saturated fat. Further, saturated fat has been shown in some cases to have an inverse relationship with obesity-related type 2 diabetes. Rather than focus on a single nutrient, the overall diet quality and elimination of processed foods, including simple carbohydrates, would likely do more to improve CVD and overall health.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30084105

>b-but saturated fat is bad!

Sugar-eating trannies on suicide watch.

What's this guy's obsession with trannies? Did he get so triggered at people calling him a fattie that he started spewing the first insult that came to his chubby head?

>>13039239
Calling someone who eats sugar a tranny is just as logical as calling someone who gets most of his calories from fat a fatso.

>>13032963
>doesn't know how to quote properly
Back to r e d d i t with you

>>13039234
LOL fat fucking retard

Go test gravity for me by jumping off a bridge, that’s old too!!!

You have no evidence because you’re a fat fucking loser that reads blogs like a brain damaged monkey instead of the actual research which is why you quoted an excerpt from a blog that contradicted the study it cited

I dont give a shit about opinion pieces, it is bottom tier on the evidence hierarchy like you are the bottom tier of healthy weight

400 metabolic wards vs 400 pounds of shit

>>13039251
People who eat carbs are high test

Ketards are low IQ fat retards that deny gravity on a count of recency

>>13039251
Pretty sure they're calling him fat because needing to cut out entire meals because they can't into moderation is a classic fattie cope. And because ignoring how the longest living and skinniest populations eat plenty of carbs is quite in tune with being a fattie. And because thinking that if you stuff your face with burgers you won't gain weight entails disregarding CICO which is, again, classic fattie cope.
Now calling people trannies because they make fun of your tubby body doesn't seem to have too much of a logical base imo.

>>13039234
Lol this dumb cunt literally only references observational and cross sectional studies. UNSUITABLE for heart disease over metabolic wards
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/313701/

Got awfully quiet real quick didn’t it?

>butter good fruit bad
>studies? how silly to ask!
>you got studies?? those old
>predict? no use in science!
>here blog
>blog wrong here another blog

Ketarded

>>13032672
Consumption of sugar and refined carbs leads to overeating.

>>13032626
No, vegans are.

>>13034286
They fry so much shit and eat a lot of fucking bread.

>>13039506
No, your lack of a willpower does.

>>13038897
>there's only one kind of diabetes
nice bait retard

>>13039526
Are you retarded? They have actual chemical effects on the body. Are you the type of retard to tell smokers to "just stop smoking lol" or tell depressed people "just be happy bro"? Tell you what, if you pick up some highly addictive habit for a month or two and willpower yourself out of it cold turkey, I'll eat my sock.

>>13039801
>just be happy bro
legitimately good advice

>>13039801
But if you have willpower, you can quit smoking and not overeat on a diet of refined carbs. Nobody said having willpower was easy. Why do you think so few people who try to write smoking fail? Why do you think some people can quit cold turkey?

>>13032626
People that eat too much meat are helping to kill the planet unironically. A diet with almost nothing but meat is retarded, as is eating animals desu.

>>13039068
>cherry picked
I had to say it just because it's all about fucking fruit

>>13039114
>eating two thirds sweet potatoes for your entire life
Jesus that sounds terrible.

>>13032695
>CICO
its HORMONES

>>13032802
this is such bullshit, the explicit purpose of keto is to put your body into a state of ketosis, that's why you need to check using the strips

I'm really disappointed in joe rogan, but it shows how purple pilled he really is

he was talking about the carnivore diet in a video and advocating its benefits
then I look up the guy who invented it and he was a doctor that lost his medical license due to being incompetent

>>13041848
what's purple pilled? same as pink? you cryptotrannies should stop making up nonsense terms

>Food groups A, B, C satiate humans to different levels
>A satiates more than B which satiates more than C
>The "k" diet about eating 75% B, 20% A and 5% C leads to your body releasing fewer hunger hormones than a diet where you eat same amount of calories that mostly come from C
>people on K diet eat less calories than they spend while not being hungry

>>13041973
purple pilled is someone that is genuinely trying to get redpilled, but they just can't let go of enough of their personal bias to fully get there

>>13032695
>your body’s primary fuel source “causes inflammation”
god I hate you people

>>13034286
>rice, the carb of choice, doesn’t go through the refinement, enrichment, and processing that breads go through
Have you never heard of white rice? Fucking moron that’s like 90% of the rice they eat.

>>13039114
sweet potatoes aren’t empty calories, they have a lot of micronutrients

>>13042051
>primary fuel source
What.
Now do you believe foods do or do not cause inflammation?
What are enzymes, what happens when you eat something that isn't broken up by them?
What do you think plant pesticides are for?

>>13032626
they're less retarded but they do more harm to themselves, keeping your body permanently in alarm mode is fucking retarded, keto started as a closely-monitored medical diet and should have stayed as such
if you want to eat healthy just stop eating sweets and fast food, eat more veggies and less deep fried lard shit, stop buying shit products like american bread that's 25% HFCS, it's not rocket science

meme diets are for losers with no self-control

>>13042079
>What
Glucose, dumbfuck. Pick up a physiology text book and stop reading meme keto blogs

>>13042081
Its easiest which is the issue with weight loss and how its easy to store into the body as fat.
You can live without carbs just as fine.

>>13042086
There’s no “living without carbs” since even in a state of total dietary carb deprivation, your body will simply break down proteins (either from diet, if you have an excess, or from muscle tissue, if you don’t) and turn them into glucose. No glucose = death and that’s why your body goes to great lengths to create glucose even in the total absence of its ingestion.

>>13042093
I think the point was grains and milk are inflammatory, not glucose.

>>13042095
Don’t make stupid statements like “carbs cause inflammation” then, talk about particular foods. You’d still be wrong anyways

>>13042095
>grains and milk are inflammatory
Refined grains are. Milk seems okay for people who can digest it properly, but not for everyone. Most people need to do some trial and error with foods to find what works for them, you can't really make sweeping judgments about foods because there are a lot of factors that vary between individuals.

>>13039234
Holy shit you were absolutely buttraped and your response was worse than your gape

FAQ

>"Keto is a fad; 'balanced' nutrition is reasonable."
This is so simply countered. Replacing carbs with protein (and stevia) is really important for what's featuring itself as "an adulthood puberty" and a really fun QoL – increased GH, reduced DHT, (even thusly) increased T – hypoglycemia producing increased appetites, flavors, and sensations; testosterone, even in women, increasing sensation, libido, and orgasm. (Hungers are even required for rewards from alcohol and palatable/rewarding foods.)

Also, insulin is fat-sparing. Maybe always keto / VLC is somewhat extreme, because increased hormones are also potentiated by high insulinogenics near intense physical activity – the conclusion is that nutrient availability (such as casein, with greater digestion times having it outperforming whey some 2x for lean gains) and timing (casein, with low insulinogenics, also outperforming whey by 2x for fat losses) are really effective. (This is also an argument against fasting.)

So, the sensory and behavioral benefits are huge, plus ~optimizations of hormonal responses for energy homeostasis.

>>13032672
Except, low BF is largely the greatest reasoning for checking calories, etc. – more fun, motivational, and intense. (Stimulation is correlative with happiness and intelligence).

(For >>13032657 too)
Also, amongst the plausibility that unrefined carbs are spiking insulin for longer, they're actually worse – specifically, hungers being so associated with emotion, cognition and motivated behavior (e.g., neurotrophy, cholinergic-dopaminergic rewards, , et al.). (Hypoglycemia / ketosis are of mental clarity benefits.)

>>13034162
>>13043786

>Energy levels, endurance, and efficiency ..
It's possible supplementing the intermediate pyruvate (which is technically a sugar, and is really sweet).

PS: Another option is (amongst full nutrition) D-ribose, a B3 that's associated with rejuvenation and (similar to the other B3s) NAD.

>>13039266
370 vs 470 is sorta irrelevant; and they're both low amounts anyway. ("Full nutrition" amongst diets and scholarly articles is ludicrously rare. Especially vitamin C – replacing biosynthesis is logically "grams doses": even small animals are producing 10+ / day.)

So (of what's posted), a). the confounding variables are too great for suggesting causation; b). there are stark contrasts between ketosis-VLC and simply LC; 35% is way too much; c). it's missing "amounts of fats", which are important for testosterone production; and d). there are opposing results:

*Skeletal muscle and fat mass*
>Lean body mass increased to a greater extent in the VLCKD (4.3 ± 1.7 kgs ) as compared to the traditional group (2.2 kg ± 1.7).
>Ultrasound determined muscle mass increased to a greater extent in the VLCKD group (0.4 ± 0.25 cm) as compared to the traditional western group (0.19 ± 0.26 cm).
>Finally, fat mass decreased to a greater extent in the VLCKD group (-2.2 kg ± 1.2 kg) as compared to the traditional group (- 1.5 ± 1.6 kg).

*Safety, blood lipid profile, and anabolic hormone status*
>Total cholesterol increased slightly in the VLCKD group, while it decreased in the traditional western group. However, this rise was driven by an increase in HDL in the VLCKD group (6.69 mg/dl) compared to the western (-1.6 mg/dl) with no changes in LDL.
>Triglycerides were significantly higher in the VLCKD group (29.3 mg/dl) than the western (-8.4 mg/dl).
>Total testosterone increased significantly in the VLCKD diet (118 ng/dl) as compared to the western (-36 ng/dl) while insulin increased significantly in the western group (3.7 uIu/ml) compared to the VLCKD (.1 uIu/ml).

From https://mennohenselmans.com/carbs-vs-fat-research-update/ ..

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So, that image is of limited relevance to the topic of keto, and it being posted is misleading.

>>13032626
I wouldn't mind keto so much if it didn't stop me drinking beer. Why do you hate fun so much?

a doctor with a phd in endocrinology and healthy physiology told me its a meme and theres certain parts and functions of your body that needs carbs so I'm gonna go with him over some anons

>>13038897
Retardo