/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>I LOVE SCIENCE!
>Woah hey, not that kind. This violates my God of Consensus.

Follow the science.

>Vegans enraged so they scrable to find anything to discredit it with
lamo

>>13004286
Easier said than done. "Science" isn't always scientific and is rarely replicated, dietary studies especially.

>>13004353
Yea, just look at vegans.

>he buys processed foods
Ishygddt

>>13004150
>meat and animal products have been an indispensable of our diet since before we could even be called "human"
>suddenly meat bad
While not proof of anything, that alone is a good enough argument for anyone to be very skeptic of anyone saying meat is bad.
Most of those "meat bad" studies were epidemiological anyway, it's hard to even call that science, call it what it is: a shitty food questionnaire. "How many grams of vegetables do you eat on average daily", "How often do you eat one of X". Who the fuck can answer that accurately.

And it's so easy to manipulate. Like what if we compared vegans/vegetarians to "every one else" and the V group has less of disease X or a better score for bio marker Y (And we can still argue whether that bio marker actually means something), We can't automatically conclude meat is bad. Since "everyone else" are not just people who eat a well balanced diet but mostly people who eat junk and processed foods. Maybe there are other factors also at play. Like do vegans smoke less or exercise more? You can't even begin to take into account al those factors.

And a lot of other studies where in mice and rats. I don't think I need to explain why they aren't a good model for humans when it comes to diet.

It's no secret that most researchers and academics are left leaning, they where all to happy to promote this shitty research when it conformed with ideologies. They where promoted for ecological reasons, not health ones. And they aren't even trying to hide it anymore, just look at Canada's new food guidelines.

That said I wouldn't buy any processed meat (salting and curing doesn't count). Who knows what the fuck they put in your sausages.

>>13004530
biggest thing is just not being fat and not getting type 2 desu

>>13004150
>Others said Johnston and colleagues were wrong to exclude environmental concerns about damage to the planet from clearing forests and animal farming from their work.
They're not even trying to hide why they're kvetching at this.

>>13004549
>being fat and not getting type 2
If we go by hormonal hypothesis of obesity those two are basically the same thing.

>Stop eating so god damn much all the fucking time
>Stop eating so much processed crap
>Stop drinking sugary drinks (that includes fruit juices)

Congrats you now have a diet heather than 70% of the people.
Even if it isn't the best diet, the Pareto principle also applies here. Maybe we should start with the obvious instead of splitting hairs over food X.

>>13004549
>>13004570
For the general public, yes completely this. Everyone's a fat fuck eating oreos and never exercising. The details are irrelevant until they can actually maintain a healthy weight and generally avoid processed garbage.

>>13004150

Red/processed meat is objectively healthier for you than sugar.

Preservatives are usually nothing more than salt and potassium which are electrolytes necessary for life. As long as you maintain excellent hydration neither pose negative health risks/consequences for eating them.

Sugar is solely responsible for the obesity epidemic. The reason why Asian countries are so much slimmer is because their palate is not nearly as sweet in the west, this is evident by food conglomerates that go through the trouble of changing their brand to be less sweet and more bitter/savory/sour when supplying to the east.

They've known this for several decades and purposefully propagate misinformation or bad information to redirect blame. They are literally Big Tobacco 2.0 and the American populous is too complacent to care or do anything about it.

Eat as much red and processed meat as you'd like. Have as much dairy as you can stomach, eat as many eggs as you can muster, it will not do nearly as much damage to your body as habitually consuming sugar. The human body IS NOT BUILT for wild fluctuations in blood glucos.

These conglomerates target children harder than anyone else with their sugar laden snack no different than big tobacco used to. If they ruin their palate early then they will ALWAYS want/tolerate a shit load of sugar.

It should be criminal with how blatant it is.

>>13004530
What a complete word salad of nothing. Is rape also indispensable considering its longevity in human history?
>Most of those "meat bad" studies were epidemiological anyway, it's hard to even call that science
Spoken like a true scholar I see. Tell me, what part of this is epidemiological?

The ironic thing is, the exact types of studies you’re complaining about are what make up the OP’s risible study which concluded that the carcinogenic and atherogenic risks of red meat were statistically significant but they just recommend not worrying about it anyways, funny how that industry funded conclusion came about

It’s hilarious how you retards will endlessly question anything that goes against your narrative but when its “confirmed”, you don’t even bother examining beyond a clickbait headline

>>13004586
>Sugar is solely responsible for the obesity epidemic

>>13004150
>the guardian
Lib shit propaganda.

>>13004600
>They've known this for several decades and purposefully propagate misinformation or bad information to redirect blame.

Get fucked boot licker.

>>13004586
>The science is all a muck! Eat away!
THAT is LITERAL tobacco industry propaganda. Creating a false dichotomy between sugar and red meat. BOTH are bad, dumbass

>>13004606
Prove that is industry funded propaganda then. Prove the USDA counting metrics of food consumption are sugar funded propaganda you stupid shit.

>anything that goes against my narrative is propaganda!!!
What a pathetic life

>>13004606
>if i click my heels and say it hard enough its true!!

>>13004530
>carnist's poor attempt to justify his bloodlust slaughter
tl;dr

>>13004608

>MFW Inuit live long healthy lives and primarily eat meat.
>MFW They have a lower rate of heart disease, cancer and tooth decay
>MFW Most Asian countries have a similar trend
>MFW the link between them all is that they do not habitually eat mass quantities of sugar. Sugar is not pervasive in the food they eat.
>MFW people are literally can't put 2 and 2 together. Instead they opt into research that when traced back always has roots with conglomerates/big sugar

I have no face. Get fucked boot licker.

>>13004617
>Prove that is industry funded propaganda then. Prove the USDA counting metrics of food consumption are sugar funded propaganda you stupid shit.

I'm not going to bother with page numbers. Heres some easy reading:


https://science.sciencemag.org/node/705850.full

In September 2016, researchers with the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF), announced that they had uncovered archival documents showing that in the mid-1960s, the sugar industry secretly paid nutrition scientists at Harvard to write a key literature review downplaying the evidence linking sugar and coronary heart disease (CHD) (4). As the UCSF authors recounted, “By the 1960s, 2 prominent physiologists were championing divergent causal hypotheses of CHD: John Yudkin identified added sugars as the primary agent, while Ancel Keys identified total fat, saturated fat, and dietary cholesterol.” But according to the authors, after the sugar industry “paid off” a Harvard review team led by D. Mark Hegsted, the effect was to “derail” scientific discussions of sugar's potential role in heart disease, with the dietary fat hypothesis subsequently coming to dominate the field.

Literally one example out of who the fuck know how many. Pick up a fucking book on the subject.

Get fucked boot licker.

>>13004639
Yeah none of what you said is even remotely true you retarded fuckface. Do you think just squawking like a complete fucking aspie makes you even remotely constructive in your arguments? Next time just preface that your mind is made up and you have no interest in actual discussion because you’re a brainwashed dung beetle autistically stimming along in the hive

>>13004658
LITERALLY none of that has anything to do with what I just posted. PROVE the image I posted is sugar industry propaganda you braindead fucking retard

Can your peabrain read beyond two sentences?

>>13004639
You’re not even trying to hide the fact that you’re repeating hilariously inaccurate industry talking points as some matter of fact.
https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1814937!/httpFile/file.pdf
Inuits are in TERRIBLE health, they die from stroke and cancer in their 50s

>>13004673

>Sweet potatoes affect your system in the same manner as sugar pumped into food.

Get fucked you boot licking shill.

>>13004667

>I proof that big sugar is responsible for the whole cholesterol bad, sugar good rubric suggested from 1970-2000.
>Response: YA BUT YOU HAVEN'T TOLD ME HOW THE USDA THINKS FAT IS BAD AND SUGAR IS GOOD NOW!

Jesus christ you're pathetic. If you think we were eating less sugar in 2005 than we were in 2000 then you're a fucking retard and most likely a zoomer. The whole sugar bad thing didn't really catch on until 2010.

It's bad data, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, can't get fooled again.

>>13004681
Nobody said otherwise you braindead fucking monkey. You said most Asian countries eat a lot of meat. That is the highest living world population and they dont eat anywhere near “a lot of meat”

Are you going to ever address the inaccuracies of everything you said or you are just going to autistically stim and shift to another point to get embarrassed on?

>>13004586
>Sugar is solely responsible for the obesity epidemic.
No.

Obesity is caused by overeating.

>>13004696
>proof that big sugar is responsible for the whole cholesterol bad, sugar good rubric suggested from 1970-2000.
No you didn’t you stupid fucking retard. You proved the sugar industry funded some studies in the 50s to downplay sugars own role in heart disease you dumbass. That not only has nothing to do with the lipid hypothesis but NOTHING to do with actual sugar consumption rates as recorded by the USDA

Meanwhile you’re recommendation to eat “all the meat and fat you want!!!” is actually an industry funded talking point

Your mother did a horrible job at aborting you and your laughable arguments are evident of that

>>13004698

>WTF is reading comprehension anyway.

No, what I said was that one culture eats almost exclusively meat. Then I said Asain countries share low rates of heart disease, tooth decay and cancer. Then I said the two things those cultures share is that they both eat meat and they both do not consume a lot of table sugar.

If a society built around eating solely meat has a similar health trend of a society that also eats meat then you have to look for things they do not do that western society does. Eating a shitload of sugar every single day is clearly the culprit.

Keep up you brain-dead faggot.

>>13004712
>>MFW Inuit live long healthy lives and primarily eat meat.
>MFW They have a lower rate of heart disease, cancer and tooth decay
>MFW Most Asian countries have a similar trend
Literally what you said. Now you’re backtracking because your fat failure of a mother drank too much but not enough during her pregnancy to make you so fucking stupid

>>13004382
>he buys food
ngmi

>>13004708
Dont even bother with the mushed peabrain. He hasn’t substantiated a single claim or said one remotely accurate thing. He is regurgitating risible industry talking points without a shred of truth

>HURR HURR GUYS, SEE I WAS HEALTHY ALL ALONG!

>>13004725
>MFW They have a lower rate of heart disease, cancer and tooth decay
>MFW Most Asian countries have a similar trend
>similar trend
>trend
>TREND

Holy fucking shit, I even reiterated what I said and you still can't understand what I said? I'll break it down for you dipshit.

1. My. Face. When. Inuit live long and healthy lives and primarily eat meat.

2. My. Face. When. They have a lower rate of heart disease, cancer and tooth decay.

2(a). My. Face. When. Most Asain countries have a SIMILAR TREND.

I didn't mention what asain countries eat you fucking tard. I mentioned that they have the same trend for lower rate of heart disease, cancer and tooth decay.

LEARN BASIC READING COMPREHENSION

>>13004745
You are literally too cognitively impaired to even grasp your own arguments. That is how fucking stupid you are. You are not directly addressing my claims with anything other than ad hominems and have yet to support a single claim you’ve made or disprove any of mind or even so much as reframe it. Bye bye, little one.

I like how instead of actually addressing his hilariously shitty wrong claim of Inuit health he is still claiming he didn’t say Asians ate the same way despite literally saying it two posts in a row lmao

>>13004711
Cholestertard BTFO

>>13004735

Yes you boot licking shill. Posting proof that big sugar propagated bad science in order to stop looking into the adverse side effects of consuming sugar certainly doesn't show that there is a precedent for future scientifically studies regarding sugar and it's health affects on a society.

We better just go blindly with scientific articles with no real idea who is funding them and not look at health statistic for countries, how those countries eat, how those countries are advertised to by food companies and coming up with simple fucking conclusions.

Yup, I'm the mushed peabrain here, gotta have all my information handed to me by a guy in a lab-coat with millions of dollars innocuously handed to him by whomever to conduct his totally neutral research. I mean it's Harvard after-all, gotta listen to them,they have prestige.

Neck yourself to end your suffering.

>>13004769
Just dropping in to laugh at how disingenuous and retarded you are. Nice wall of text LMAO dumb shill

>>13004803

Yup, I'm the shill here.

I'm the one posting image after image of health "research" which normal people totally have on their desktop computer at home at 11:52AM on a Wednesday.

Yup, I'm the shill here.

>>13004823
We know you are.

>>13004831

Don't forgot to take your lunch in a couple minutes. Shills are the stupidest fucking people.

>>13004823
>Yup, I’m the shill here
Correct

>Yup, I’m the shill here
Correct again!! You’re on a roll!

>>13004639
>MFW Inuit live long healthy lives and primarily eat meat.
Inuk here. Our "country food" diet only worked because arctic sea mammals are much richer in nutrients than your average steak, and our traditional hunting grounds offered a wide variety of different game animals-- not to mention we're highly acclimated to this particular diet.
When the Canadian government forcibly moved our communities to strategic commie-spotting locations the quality and variety of our diets were drastically reduced.

Now that we subsist on imported southern food we are all fat, toothless and near-sighted.
It's not just the sugar, swapping out seal and caribou for chicken and beef has fucked up something about our physical development and our "adult teeth" simply don't come out right if at all.
I'm led to believe that this is in some part a result of switching to a different protein source suddenly and completely in the space of a single generation after a thousand years of tradition, but the specifics are beyond my understanding.

>>13004836
We know you're stupid, you don't have to keep saying it.

>>13004586
>Eat as much red and processed meat as you'd like. Have as much dairy as you can stomach, eat as many eggs as you can muster,
>Eat as much red and processed meat as you'd like. Have as much dairy as you can stomach, eat as many eggs as you can muster,
https://youtu.be/OIZaZq5lUew

>>13004586
Death merchant

>>13004711
I'm not sure what to believe.
Sugar seems bad, does showing a graph that has some vague correlation disprove it?

>>13004586
Did you really think such blatant disinformation would go unvetted?

>>13004150
vegan and vegan bait shitposting continues. /ckv/ containment board pls

>>13004920
Did I say sugar was good? I recall saying the opposite. Does some vague snark substitute for objective data?

>Vegans in self-destruct mode
lamo

>>13004608
>high LDL count is inherently bad
how completely misleading and useless. sdLDL causes heart disease, and you can have a fuck ton of hdLDL comprising your LDL content and be totally fine. stop using outdated science

>>13005029
its the only shread he can cling to, old outdates science.

>>13005029
Yes, high LDL is very bad. Do you have anything to actually counter that with other than your pretentious pseud bullshit snark?
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.cir.0000103664.47406.49

How about you show me how its outdated you fat fucking retard? You seem pretty sure of yourself, surely you have the evidence showing it!

>>13005034
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/
Go ahead and show me how the science is outdated, you’re obviously very well learned on the subject aren’t you?

>>13005053
>1997
Are the carbs clogging up your brain?

>>13005029
>>13005034
Like you’re free to actually show the evidence proving otherwise instead of samefagging
https://www.atherosclerosis-journal.com/article/S0021-9150(12)00788-5/abstract

>>13005063
So go jump off a skyscraper and show how that outdated theory of gravity is BS!!!

Again, do you have any evidence that you were so sure of existed?
http://www.onlinejacc.org/content/accj/43/11/2142.full.pdf
The father of paleo bullshit saying your LDL optimally should be between 50/70

Anything mate?

>>13005069
>m-maybe if´I keep posting these graphs and link to irrelevant things people will take me seriously
>>13005082
>N-no they will find out im full of bs
See how easily the carblets get angry.

>>13005069
you seem really upset, I suggest calming down so you don't increase your risks of a heart attack

just because you're posting studies correlating higher LDL levels in the population and an increase cardiovascular event risk doesn't mean that what I said isn't true. if you look at the number of outliers in your studies you can understand why total LDL count is misleading because all that LDL could be harmless hdLDL which doesn't increase your risks

>>13005086
>>13005092
Oh so yeah you still got nothing? K mate, you also realize science doesn’t get “outdated” right? There is no expiration date, it works or it doesn’t. Ah but you knew that just like you have all this evidence proving me wrong right? Nah? Hmm

That’s also not correlary, mate. That is direct causation

>>13005092
hdLDL literally increases your atherogenic risk by..........

44%?!?!?! That can’t be right!!!
>>13004853

>>13004530
pretty much since of the dawn of homo-sapiens, humans haven't been able to properly synthesize ingested meat. so actually, no. Modern humans likely evolved from an herbivore ancestor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Glycolylneuraminic_acid

https://health.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/newsroom/11551

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2019.00789/full

eating meat is a meme.

>>13005092
>>13005086
Still nothing mate?!?!? You telling me your poorly thought out off base conjecture isn’t working against actual evidence? Dang...

>cite old shit that's been mostly left behind by science or further corrected to a narrower focus
Wow you really blew him the fuck out. It's not like the old textbook thinking on the matter is actively in disrepute.
Oh wait.

>>13004150
/ckv/ containment board to house all this vegan nonvegan retard fighting pls

>>13005259
Surely you can find any contradictory evidence about it that rather than just retardedly harping on about your own baseless conjecture then right? Nah? Youre not telling me you’re a pretentious fucking retard that doesn’t have the feintest fucking clue what he’s talking about right?!?!? Like that LDL thing that was just a mixup?!?!? Right?!?!?

Btw did you jump off that skyscraper to disprove that ancient theory of gravity yet?

>>13005259
Surely you can actually dispute the evidence at hand rather than just whining like a bitch about it being “old” like a pseud retard who’s never opened a textbook in his life?!?!?

>>13005316
You can just tell all the retarded polniggers who make outstanding claims with ad hominems and zero evidence to stay in their containment board, much easier

Isn’t it amazing how all this new age evidence of cholesterol doing nothing is out there but none of the people defending that claim can actually post any of it?

>>13005343
Hold on bro let me dig up studies that "disprove" viruses cause cancer then you'll have to accept that position. It's in a peer reviewed study after all so who cares if the publish date says 19XX?
>During the 1970s some investigators proposed that refined carbohydrates, especially sugar and a low intake of dietary fiber, were major factors in coronary heart disease (CHD). This suggestion was eclipsed by the belief that an excess intake of saturated fatty acids (SFA) was the key dietary factor, a view that prevailed from roughly 1974 to 2014. Findings that have accumulated since 1990 inform us that the role of SFA in the causation of CHD has been much exaggerated. A switch from SFA to refined carbohydrates does not lower the ratio of total cholesterol to HDL-cholesterol in the blood and therefore does not prevent CHD. A reduced intake of SFA combined with an increased intake of polyunsaturated fatty acids lowers the ratio of total cholesterol to HDL-cholesterol; this may reduce the risk of CHD. The evidence linking carbohydrate-rich foods with CHD has been steadily strengthening. Refined carbohydrates, especially sugar-sweetened beverages, increase the risk of CHD. Conversely, whole grains and cereal fiber are protective. An extra one or 2 servings per day of these foods increases or decreases risk by approximately 10% to 20%.

>>13004150
Well I did not see this coming at all. I am shocked. SHOCKED.

>>13004530
>Like do vegans smoke less
LOL

>>13005193
Are Mustelidae meme carnivores too? Because they don't produce CMAH either.

>>13004597
>Is rape also indispensable considering its longevity in human history?

Challenge accepted.

The mating rituals that modern humans go through (developed over the last 280million years) involve some form of dominant/submissive play. All that talk about having confidence, or being cute/dainty. All these core characteristics that instinctively get our hormones going when we seem them in the opposite sex can be traced back to that mentality of "leader and follower."

Consistent rape would ensure that being prone to that leader/follower dominant/submissive behavior would stay in the human gene lines ... instead of having all the beta cucks and stronk independent womyn that we have now. Which even the most casual observer can tell you has completely fucked with the majority of people's perception and expectations of dating and relationships.

Behavioral tendencies are passed down through lineage the same as character traits. Which is easily proven in the process of animal domestication (throwing out the assholes, keeping the friendly ones for further breeding). By shunning sexual aggression, you're dooming the species to one of anxious sterility through social standards that go against human nature and sexual desire. The occurrence of erectile dysfunction is higher than it's ever been in human history. That's not to say more rape alone would address that, but anythig to bring gender roles back in line would be a huge help.

>>13005389
So you got nothing? K

Because what you posted is just a paragraph from what appears to be an abstract to this
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5793267/

And this isn’t a study or evidence of anything, this is literally an opinion piece.

So you got nothing? Took you that long to cough up mate? You couldn’t even analyze what you were reading yourself mate? Grim.

>>13005486
Let me translate your post for you
>I'm too lazy to read the citations so I can properly impeach the piece
>so I'll lampshade it and hope he doesn't call me out on what I'm doing
You're right anonymous. That is a lampshade. Thank you for pointing it out to me.

>>13005481
A rape apologist? Explains the virginity. Test levels have to do with xenoestrogens in the water and food, not a lack of rape, weirdo

>>13005506
Apparently you were too lazy to actually cite the article or any of its citationd itself

An opinion piece is on the bottom chain of evidence hierarchy mate, it is irrelevant. Post actual contradicting evidence of the lipid hypothesis, not some dumbass opining about it like you

Like you apparently have all this evidence yet you can only muster up a single opinion piece? Yikes

>>13005241
>>13005132
>Mommy mommy! the meat man is being mean on the internet, saying carbs are bad, cant i eat soy anymore?

>>13005522
You try to insult some then use the "they're drugging our water" line in the same sentence?

>>13005538
I didnt say “drugging our water” did I now? Microplastic contamination of water sources and within the foods they package and their estrogenic effects are well documented

>>13005536
Its okay. You can admit that your mind is made up regardless of any information, you have no actual evidence one way or the other, and you can only ad hominem because you’re too mentally defective to do anything else. Its fine mate.

>>13005522
>A rape apologist?
And here's the problem with people like you. You are too busy being outraged to stop and consider a topic logically.
>You don't have to agree with something to learn about or understand it.
By constantly fighting against logical inquiry just because it's uncomfortable, you'll never grow. The same as humanity itself is regressing because they're too scared to broach topics that aren't rainbows and sunshine to the point that they're literally re-writing history books to run away from them.

>>13005463
They lack Neu5Gc, but do they have Neu5Ac?
It is both of the lack of Neu5Gc and the presence of Neu5Ac which makes humans basically lowkey allergic to red meat. Neu5Ac is what determines the foreign ingested presence of Neu5Gc as something that shouldn't be there and releases antibodies to attack it, causing inflammation and being linked to cancer.

>>13005193
Yet since the dawn of homo-sapiens we have been eatign meat, weird huh

>>13005593
There is no logic to raping someone, it is traumatizing for the victim. And you have nothing but fantasy fueled conjecture to suggest it strengthens bond and testosterone

You seem too scared to admit you’re mentally ill. Probably suffering from some form of environmental exposure or a nutrient deficiency affecting your cognitive functioning. Perhaps both or a repressed physical and psychological trauma

>>13005616
And we still breed complete retards like you, que verguenza

>>13005621
Imagine being so emotionally invested in something that all you can do is grasp at straws
Cool

>>13005616
do you not know what a meme is.

i already said eating meat is a meme.

>>13005634
>the essential part of mankinds evolution is a meme
Lol

>>13005632
You don’t even know what means lol

>>13005640
>eating meat is essential
nigga what crackpot bullshit are you reading.

>>13005640
You might still be evolving from your cumbrain but the rest of us aren’t, Mungo

>>13005659
>>13005663
Yes because if our ancestors didnt eat meat we would still be here, lol.
Soybrains are kinda funny.

>>13005481
>The occurrence of erectile dysfunction is higher than it's ever been in human history.
So is the percentage of people who are obese. Obese people are way more likely to have sexual health problems. And older people too.

>>13005670
What does that have to do work anything now? What does your mushed peabrain not get? Are you still evolving from hominids, cumbrain?

>>13004150
That "study" was done horribly even with people who weren't even qualified to make those studies.

>>13004180
fpbp

>>13005700
>picks and choses from what people say so he can insult people
And you call other peopel stupid, why are you inferring things that havent been said or that have nothing to do with the conversation?
Are all soy brains this stupid?
>What does that have to do work anything now
Did you have a soy induced stroke or what?

Lots of seething tranny vegan niggers in this thread larping as "scientists". What's the new favorite soy meme? "Yikes"?

>>13004639
None of that is true. You believed the fictional stories you stupid fuck. Because it fit your narrative you fucking mong.

>>13005741
>You believed the fictional stories you stupid fuck. Because it fit your narrative you fucking mong.
So... vegans in a nutshell?

>>13005716
What the fuck are you even talking about you retard? Jesus christ you might actually have chimp brains.

>peopel
You havin an actual stroke?!?!?

What does your chimp ass eating meat have anything to do with now?

>>13005719
You dont need to larp as a scientist to read plain English mate, another reason why you’re such an unread retard cumbrain

>>13005749
Maybe you should try to reread everything, and try to work on your reading comprehension.

>complains about spelling when he stroked out "What does that have to do work anything now"
lol

>>13005753
>keeps posting graphs from studdies he hasnt read
kek soylet keep it up

>>13005753
Another one of those "Yikes" from me, tranny vegan.

>>13005670
our ancestors didn't eat meat you stupid cocksucker. what part of >>13005193
did you not get. The gene to synthesize red meat was mutated in humanity at the dawn of homo sapiens. Humans literally developed anti-bodies against ingested meat. Eating meat causes inflammation. the enzyme Neu5Gc present in red meat, is also present in human cancer.

jesus fuck. Humans have only gotten more dumb with time and maybe this is a cause of it. eat meat get fucking cancer and brain inflammation.
Birds, Fish, and Reptiles in terms of FLESHY MEAT are about as equipped humans are in current year to properly digest, since those are not mammals and lack Neu5Gc. Maybe that's why jews are fucking retards since they started heavily eating red meat "kosher" while most other demographics deified animals and survived on poultry and fish instead.

>>13005764
>complains about stroking out

>cant even explain his point let alone spell people
You’re not stroking, your fat fucking fingers are just slamming the keyboard

>>13005768
Are you having a stroke this time?

>>13005770
Cool. Cope

>>13005778
>yikes

>>13005776
>imagine being so vegan that you try to literally write evolutionary history
Holy shit its the most idiotic thing I have read in my life.

>>13005778
>n-no you are haveing a stroke h-haha

>>13005776
>Humans have only gotten more dumb with time
Ah yes, the glaxy brain vegans of the past built the pyramides and flew into outer space

>>13005782
>>13005793
Looks like I broke the NPC, reboot friend.

>>13005788
even in current year, most people on earth live and have lived near the water on an ocean coastline for sustainable agriculture and fishing. Fish were the primary form of meat for a long time. Humans are explicitly not equipped to survive eating mammals.

All Trumpanzee incels are free to dispute my claims with evidence. Conjecture/cringesplaining is not accepted

>>13005805
>Humans are explicitly not equipped to survive eating mammals.
Jesus, you cant make this up, vegans litteraly try to rewrite the evolution of the human species.

>>13005803
>yikes
>where's my soy?

>>13005797
flying into outer space has accomplished what.

do you even know why the space race existed.
cause of the Cold War.
if the USSR and America were bros after WW2, we'd probably have never even gone to the moon.
Space "travel" as we know it has absolutely nothing to do with evolution or even moderate intelligence. it was all a cockflaunting game between the USA and USSR purely for the sake of threats and seeing who had more powerful rockets to deliver a nuke, and the production of these efforts culminated in relative peace and the International Space Station, which is now 20 years old.

does having a detailed photo of saturn make you smarter? Does that photo help you in any way?

>>13005835
Enjoy your newly minted milkers, fatty. You won’t even need cows anymore

>>13005835
Enjoy your newly minted milkers, fatty. You won’t even need cows anymore

>>13005822
>litteraly
You literally need to lose weight, your sausage fingers are fucking up your keyboard

>>13005861
>I dont have anything to say so I will just criticize spelling
When you think vegans can't get any more retarded, lol.

>>13005853
>lying into outer space has accomplished what.
Satellites?

>>13005877
Wow, sick burn, fatty. Is this that conservative humor that is taking over comedy?

>>13005854
>>13005861
>oof
>yikes

>>13005894
No its just something stupid people do they dont have anything to say because they have dug themselves into a hole, same thing as with what you are doing with insulting people.

>>13004286
Or for people like OP, ignore the science until one study says what you want to hear, then take that at face value.

>>13005914
ignoreing the science is a vegans bread and butter.

>>13005905
>No its just something stupid people do they dont have anything to say
You stroking mate?

>insulting people.
Poor baby

This whole thread is cringey as fuck. You're all retarded manchildren, cherry-picking what suits your idiotic views and ad-homming when something doesn't.

Fuck this goddamn board.

>>13005923
>proves my point
Thank you soyfriend, keep putting graphs of thing you have no idea of what they mean, or refer to studies you have never read

Weird how there's a sudden influx of vegan shills, must be a (((cohen)))cidence

>>13005924
Pretty much all these retards have taught me is that there's a study that says everything you want to eat is actually horrible for you.

>>13004739
Based

>>13005995
Living is what really kills you.

>>13005918
Vegans have nothing to do with the topic. Thousands of research papers come out every year, and the totality of the evidence has led most major health organizations to say that red meat should be eaten sparingly. If one study comes out that says something else, it doesn't mean it can be taken in isolation as THE definitive study on the topic.

>>13004150
This whole saga really is the gift that just keeps on giving.

>>13004739
Ignoring the cringe strawman, jesus, that bacon isn't even cooked.

Why does this vegan calling people fat never post his wrist? He's probably a fattie himself like half the people at vegan rallies.

>>13004150
It's hilarious. That article is basically "here is one group of scientists on the whole world that analyzed a bunch of dietary studies and then decided that they just didn't think the evidence for meat causing cancer was particularly strong" and then the rest of the article is dozens of authoritative sources and academics pointing to years of research and giving reasons why that group of scientists are wrong. The article should be titled "new group of opinionated morons, dismissed by scientific community". They did no study themselves... They just decided they didn't believes bunch of studies that All concluded that red meat leads to a higher incidence rate of colorectal cancer, cvd, diabetes, and gout.

We live in age where the media reports on what trolls say. It's truly time consuming to sort through the headlines...

>>13004150
STOP *CLAP* KILLING *CLAP* US *CLAP* WITH *CLAP* BEEF FARTS REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>13006125
Mfw this is the only person that read the article.

>>13005914
>Or for people like OP, ignore the science

It's called remaining skeptical in the face of incomplete and biased study - which is what every INTELLIGENT SCIENTIST should be doing. It's the pathetic soi's and vegans who take their 'science' at face value with no criticism or critical thought.

>>13006148
>It's called remaining skeptical in the face of incomplete and biased study
Part of being skeptical is to be skeptical of new studies. The people tauting this as "the new science, we can all go home now" don't even read the study or try to see how they reached their conclusions. It's just taken as fact over all the other research that's out there because it says what they want to hear.

>>13005753
Thank you.

>>13005086
I mean one of his graphs was literally just cheese sales >>13004923. Not even with a half-assed overlay trying to draw a correlation with obesity or some disease, just fucking cheese sales.

>>13004530
>That said I wouldn't buy any processed meat (salting and curing doesn't count). Who knows what the fuck they put in your sausages.
I mean logically I agree, but fuck if salami and sausage isn't good. I treat these kinds of processed meats like normie non-alcoholics treat alcohol.

>>13004150
vegans really seething huh

>>13004150
>egregious abuse of evidence

What the fuck does this even mean?

>I'm sorry sir, we found the knife used to kill your wife with your fingerprints on the handle, with an inscription that says "Jim's knife"
>What! That's egregious abuse of evidence!

>>13005481
holy BASED

>>13005481
I mean, Christianity does what you are describing, but also bans rape, so win win?

>>13004150
What a surprise. Same thing with butter, for years it was deemed unhealthy as well, yet it's actually good for you.

>>13004635
>Killing life to sustain yours, being the literal backbone of the entirety of nature is "bloodlust slaughter"
I won't even call you retarded at this point - you unironically have a mental disease. Don't reproduce.

>>13006296
>Same thing with butter, for years it was deemed unhealthy as well
I think people only started believing butter was unhealthy after vegetable shortening started being marketed as a healthy alternative because it's made from plants. And then vegetable shortening ended up directly killing thousands of people. Seems like less people think butter is unhealthy now though.

>>13006188
> just fucking cheese sales.
This made me laugh out loud anon. Looking at the level of discourse that those that oppose your point - being that one can eat as many eggs & meat as one likes, and it would still pale in comparison with what the same abuse would do to one's body should they abuse carbs instead - and from my own experience outside of this site or the internet in general, it would seem like avoiding meat like a plague is not only not that healthy, but actually completely detrimental to one's mental capibilities; especially in terms of controlling one's emotions.

>>13006156
I see your point, but what you appear to fail to see in this situation is how what led us here in the first place - being vegan propaganda - is actually the "new science" here. If that "new science" was yet to be confirmed to be positive in any conceviable capacity, the burden of proof still lies on the vegans to proof that eating meat, which is what humans have been doing since we've been spawned here, is actually bad for anyone.

>>13004708

>>13004708
Sure, but sugar also causes fat retention

>>13004711

>eat “all the meat and fat you want!!!” is actually an industry funded talking point

Yeah dog that's why impossible everything is so popular right now.. People eat less meat right now than any time in history and what do you know all the same health problems are not only not going away but are increasing with people eating less meat

>>13004597
What exactly were you trying to prove with that picture? That has nothing to do with what you're specifically debating and really is simply showing the relationship between dietary cholesterol and total cholesterol levels in blood serum. The studies in question are epidemiological with poor internal validity.

>>13004530
>grains and starches have been an indispensable part of our diet before we could even be called "human"
>suddenly grain bad
bread is good

>>13007375
>grains
>before we could even be called "human"
Why do soylets try to rewrite human history?

>>13007427
Because that's how paleontology works: as you learn new shit, you have to literally rewrite history as we know it.
See, about a decade ago, researchers discovered that we've been eating grain for over 100,000 years now. I don't recall the article exactly since it was from so long ago, but I think they were studying the fossilised remains of some caveman type from the earlier parts of the Tarantian/Late Pleistocene and discovered sorghum residues in the specimen's teeth or something. Look it up.

>>13004549
Too late

>>13006368
Vegans have absolutely nothing to do with anything. The mainstream idea that regularly eating red meat is unhealthy has nothing to do with vegans, veganism, or anything like that. I don't know what the hell made you think vegans had that much power, but they don't run the world.

but...we need to eat bugs to stop climate change

>>13005092
>total LDL count is misleading because all that LDL could be harmless hdLDL which doesn't increase your risks
Not true at all

>>13007481
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/326/5960/1680.full
105k years ago

>>13004597
>Is rape also indispensable considering its longevity in human history?
Haha I tried to write my research paper in high school on this topic
Proposal did not go over well haha

>>13005597
Mustelidae do in fact express Neu5Ac. It's actually why they're susceptible to certain strains of human influenza.
They're still carnivores, and their mutation actually far predates Humans' gene inactivation that prevents our synthesizing of CMAH. Their mutation event is 38-40 Million years old, and yet their family aren't just carnivores, they're obligate carnivores.

>>13004728
>he makes food
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