/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Have you ever even watched the show? These "easy" businesses go under for a myriad of reasons, like unattractive venues, poor investments, troublesome customers, unskilled workers, etc. Basically the only way a bar (or restaurant for that matter) can be successful is if it convinces its community that its worth spending money in.

>>12832985
Why aren't you doing it then if it's free money?

>>12833032
i never watched it but it seems like a hard thing to fuck up

>>12833046
Yes, because you're an experienced business owner with knowledge of such things, retard.

>>12832985
So go do it. Sounds like you're going to get rich quick. Lucky you.

I had a bar, called the rockin rollin razamataz bar. Then that shitty Nirvana band came out and nobody wanted to party there anymore and they all went to buy heroin instead.

>>12833046
if it were hard to fuck up, why do so many fail?

>>12832985
They’re on the decline because people figured out they could just have house parties with better entertainment. Bars are kind of a dated thing when you think about it. That’s why good ones have pool tables and other nifty shit.

Plus the penalty for a DUI is kind of like full nope.

Because it’s cheaper and easier to just buy your own liquor without having to deal with people after having acquired your alcohol of choice.

>>12833276
How do I know you're a flyover

>>12833403
He's right though.

>>12832985
In Virginia an establishment must sell, in terms of cost, as much food as they do alcohol thus making a “bar” a difficult endeavor

>>12833342
People don’t go to bars to simply get drunk

>>12833425
that's stupid

what if most people only want to drink

do they stop serving drinksthen

>>12833425
easy solution: have a long bar and two doors. one side is the bar, the other is a fast service takeout counter. open the takeout place mid morning, but keep the bar side closed till late afternoon. if you're located in the right spot, the lunch rush should allow one to sell copious amounts of alcohol in the evening

>>12833576
Most places keep two sets of books because the reality is (especially college areas) your food sales will not match alcohol

I only know of that show because Jim & Sam of all fucking people were apparently on it and they talked about it.
Is it any good or just a more boring Kitchen Nightmares? I can't imagine they have as many cockroaches to show off in a bar.

>>12833698
Not as easy as one thinks. It’s one reason many places offer happy hour food specials to increase food sales

>>12833276
I never understood why they even allow bars that you can only get to by car. Basically saying "drink and drive."

>>12833783
>I never understood why they even allow
You're on the wrong board if you're starting any sentence with that, bootlicker.
If people are old enough to drink they're old enough to take responsibility for their own actions.

Shit service. That's what makes me stop going to a bar at least.

Serve a roastie before me? Dropped
Takes more than 5 minutes to get my drink? Dropped. I don't care how busy you are prioritize my beers over someone's shitty Jack n coke

>>12833707
They try to get more into numbers and models of how people can flow through the area but it mostly boils down to servers over-pouring by a grand a night keeping bars in the red.

>>12833711
could do that also, I just like the idea of running a place that's a sandwich shop or something during the day and a bar at night
>>12833783
it is possible to go to a bar and get just one drink

>>12833793
What happened to first come, first served?

>>12833858
When some bit titted roastie comes in male bartenders will serve them first in my experience.

And then chick bartenders tend to suck if you're not showering them in tips the second you walk in the door

>>12833792
I thought internet libertarians were on instagram mainly

>>12833792
Then why is every drunk driving murder a hit-and-run?

>Rent
>Wages
>Utilities
>Tax
>Security
>Cleaning and refurbishment

>>12833793
You sound like an insufferable whiny faggot
>its not fair that the table of 8 people ordering expensive house specials and food are being prioritized over me drinking one beer every 30 minutes while sitting one stool away from the wall taking up effectively 3 seats and being rude to staff

>>12833904
They're still not getting my money and they end up shutting down

So sad too bad

>>12833893
Nobody is defending drunk drivers, retard. They're saying that making life hard for the rest of us because they can't control themselves is statist bullshit.

>>12833931
Every drunk driver says he can control himself, until he murders somebody.

>>12833929
Yes the 50 dollars it took 4 hours to get from you is more valuable than the 300+ college chad and stacies blew through in an hour to impress each other. Do you really not see how a bartender literally cant afford to care about Mr. Sulk in the Corner?

>>12833931
This isnt pol. Yes any political discord belongs on pol not just nazism. Nobody cares that you think youre more badass than you are. Libertarians in 2019 are a joke

>>12833793
I wouldn't want a faggot like you at my bar anyway.

>>12833942
Your projection of sulking aside how many of me do you think there are? Is that once in a while table worth the 20+ people you're pissing off that would have spent 40 a piece otherwise?

There's a reason these shitholes close down and it's mostly down to bad service. It's mostly the owners fault for running skeleton crews at all times. You can serve your parties AND other bar goers equally if you have the staff.

Dumb faggot

>>12833952
>t. Butthurt roastie

>>12833949
>This isnt pol
Sounds like you're trying to start a meta discussion there, buddy. Those aren't allowed either.
Lighten up, ffs.

>>12832985

1. Piss poor marketing. (wrong kind of bar for the surrounding clientele.)
2. Piss poor management. Too many times functioning alcoholics think it's a good idea to buy a bar so they can make the bar their personal playground.
3. Poor service. Workers fuck around and think they can treat the bar like their home.

Running a bar is simple as well as difficult. It takes a disciplined person because you have to be interested in profiting from the drinking scene without partaking in the drinking.

I agree that fundamentally there should be little overhead. However, you don't take into account things like getting your license, managing clientele (drunks are not fun to deal with in a management position) and managing employees (most bartenders are drunks which are also not fun to manage.)

If you got a stable head on your shoulders, don't drink while on the job, and are capable with dealing with drunks appropriately when things are heated then managing a bar is a good way to make a living and possibly get wealthy depending on the volume of customers.

>>12833959
Theres always one sulking angry dude at a bar, who appears to be you, Im the guy who tries to leave without paying for my last drink fyi. Yes btw. The 2 or 3 tables of big spenders is always preferable to the dozen or so slow solo drinkers. Bad service this, shithole that. Maybe, just maybe, give the staff incentive to show you any care when you just babysit a bottle for 30 mins
>inb4 literally any retort
If you were a bartender and you didnt favorably treat the large party over "hey 1 more beer" guy you woukd be fired. They go out of business bc too many of you drama queen wannabes kill the vibe for party folk

>>12834015
Sounds to me like you're one of these chumps that had their shit bar close down

>>12834029
Dude im in my early 20s browsing ck eating store brand salami naked in bed with TWD s3 playing. Im in my parents basement. Im not a business owner lmfao

>>12834041
Okay so butthurt bartender sad that their tips are dwindling ever lower

Or the more likely explanation: just a fag

>>12834056
Ive never worked a job where i sold products to a customer. Are you sitting one stool away from the wall rn as you write this lol

>>12834084
I wish but I'm at work. Killing time before I punch out n play wow classic

>>12832985
I know someone who used to run a bar with her then-husband. The bar was one of the casualties of the divorce.

>>12833793
Unironically this, my regular bartender basically ghosted me the entire time I was there. Gave her a $2 tip on a $100 tab, fucking whore.

>meanwhile in europe

>>12833032
Have you ever watched the show? It's literally all plants. Who the fuck wants to drink at a bar with a million cameras documenting every move making fake drama? Even if the drinks are free, it's filled with a bunch of dinks.

>>12833403
lol I could throw the party of the century on my 40 acres (who the neighbors?) at the cost of one month's nyc shoebox rent. Flyover is not an insult. Watch yo fuckin mouth.

>>12833783
It’s called being a DD, where is he supposed to park

>>12835809
Looks so faggy

>>12832985
British 500 year old town pubs>anything else

>>12835898
You euros and your medieval fantasies

Liquor licenses aren't cheap.

Two Jews walk into a bar.
They own it.

>>12835804
>still giving a tip

Cuck

>>12835804
>Tipping bartenders

50% of restaurant businesses fail within the first year

>>12836150
Owned

>>12833046
It has one of the lowest success rates

>>12833032
>That one pirate bar he fixed that went back to being a pirate bar when he left and then went out of business

>>12832985
Taffer's good people. Totally mellow outside of the show.

>>12836201
He has a very mentor-like persona and a seemingly genuine care for the bars he helps on the revisit episodes. You can tell he really seems interested in their success.

>>12836189
They deserved to tank, that was the rattiest, tackiest shithole of a bar I’d ever seen.

>>12834015
You’re a real retard
If a bar can’t serve both the solo guy and the group of 6 in a decent amount of time, they should go out of business, md probably will cause their staff is shit

>>12832985
Taffer has like a 55% success rate. Most of the one's he "rescues" end up being sold off to other people. Except for one that burned down. I stopped watching it after I found a website that shows what actually happened to the places he "rescued".

>>12833793
Only happens in expensive bar in my experience. I jus go to a chill pub and always get beer right away.

>>12836314
If you have a failing business, following a free renovation is probably a pretty good point to sell at.

>>12833996
>don't drink while on the job

sorry sister, but you've gone to far

>>12836401
Many of the places that closed down or were sold off did so because they were hoping to regain a lot of business after their episodes would air. From one the last seasons like half of the establishments sold our or closed because a lot of the episodes in one of the recent seasons were filmed a year or more ago.

>>12833276
This, only reason I go to the local one is because their food is pretty damn good.

Bars are for boomers.

>>12833046
I watch the show. Here's why they fail:
1) Owner has no concept of spending to earning (continuous investment into a system WITHOUT PLANNING)
2) Incompetent, untrained employees that constantly overpour/give away drinks and fuck up menu items such that the only remaining patrons of the bar essentially drink for free
3) Lack of health, sanitization, and behavioral standards further drive away target customer base
4) No marketability (the bar lacks distinguishing features to attract new customers)
Taffer always fixes #4 with an interesting new concept to attract people, which is why sales always increase in the following weeks. As long as the owner doesn't change the renovation back, they'll receive new customers for a while.

Taffer also sets standards for #2 and #3, but the bar can still fail when the owner is too lazy to enforce these standards on his employees.

#1 is the point of failure in most cases after the renovation. Jon can build a new bar and train everyone in it, but it won't last if the owner is too stupid to crunch the numbers and plan for success. When sales start to slide off, the owner has a responsibility to readjust business strategy. A weak owner will rely on his employees to continue unsupervised productivity in these instances. The business is failing from a planning standpoint, so no matter how much effort the employees put in, the business will continue failing. In turn, employees recognize their wasted efforts and give up on your standards because all they care about is keeping a job; as a weak owner, you won't fire them (and they know that too). In most cases, Taffer's "owner training" begins with a kick in the pants and ends in a pep talk. For a few owners, it's enough to rekindle their passion of owning and operating a business. For most others, they either have no idea what to do once he's gone or don't want to constantly work toward success.

>>12836449

>Tremors

>>12832985
Competition is absolutely fierce.

>>12836150
50% of restaurant owners have no business running a restaurant. It's got very little to do with the difficulty of it

>>12836449
>BAR BAD
>BARTENDERS STEAL
>CHEF SLOW
>FLOOR AND BEHIND REFRIDGERATOR AND OTHER APPLIANCES DIRTY
>THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE
>I AM EXTREMELY MAD
>CLEAN IT UP

>Okay, now we're going to do a stress test by bring in 10x a normal night
>WTF you guys couldn't keep up because your equipment is out of date, you lack a POS system, and your staff hasn't been training
>We're going to have to make some major changes around here

>I've brought in a professional mixologist to make a unique cocktail for your bar and you all to say how tasty it is
>I've also brought in a professional chef to teach you a new recipe that you will say is tasty
>Finally I've also acquired tens of thousands of restaurant merchandise overnight and "donated" by these following sponsors

>Are you ready to see your professionally rebranded bar?
>Turn around and look shocked for the cameras
>It's okay to cry a little bit, too

>Now your employees are equipped with the tools to be successful, I'll shake your hand and leave some parting words while walking out during a mid night rush while the credits roll

>>12833901
>licensing and fees

It irritates me how these TV networks pick some random jagoff to pretend to be a successful businessman on their """"""reality"""""" shows.

Most these bars and places tend to be one foot in the hole to bankruptcy anyways. They are looking for worst case, we will pay you pennies for your unavoidable closure. Done.

A few good stories come from these but generally the staff has to be gutted because the world culture surrounding it is nonredeemable.

>>12835853
enjoy your piss drinks from plastic cups and "food" done by a spic then

>>12832985
because most bars either charge too much for drinks or waste their time fucking around with trying to serve food.
running a successful bar is piss easy, but you have to JUST focus on being a bar. the vibe and music playlist is a big part of it too. people need to feel comfortable enough in the bar to be able to talk to any randoms, but at the same time be able to hang out with their 2-3 friends and have a conversation.
Other than that, making money in a bar is just buying $9 bottles of supermarket vodka and selling $6 gin n tonics, earning you a $60 something profit.
t.Bartender

>>12833032
This, the places he goes to are dumps that serve frozen TV dinners and there's shit on the walls and rats running around, nobody is going to willingly go there

>>12833054
fuck you

>>12837331
>Not enjoying dives and cheap college bars as much as faggy art instillations that serve wine.

Lighten up Oyrup.

>>12833707
They have some genuinely disgusting stuff if you're into that. They find dead rats and rotting food and shit all the time.
And there there are the fucking retards who accidentally mixed ice with broken glass.

>he goes to a bar instead of being a member at a club
Never gonna make it. $12 a year usually around my area, very cheap drinks (still cheaper to buy your own but a double jack and coke where I go is $3.75), good service for the most part, filled with boomers looking to relax instead of 20 year olds getting piss drunk and fighting all the time, cookouts/parties on holidays/sportsball events, can win thousands of dollars there if you're lucky
Bars fucking suck and the only time I go to one is if I'm unfortunate enough to find myself in the city with some friends and have money burning a hole in my pocket.

>>12837871
Is that an offer, asshole? Because I'm completely free to go anywhere in the world this weekend, you prick. I'll pay for all expenses, you pile of shit.

>>12833425
What a commie shithole!

>>12835831
>live on 140 acres
>throw barn parties at least once a month
>the fucking police chief and the mayor show up regularly
You should do it. It's fun.

>>12837255
He's uh.
He's really fuckin successful dude.
He came up with NFL Sunday Ticket among like a dozen other things.

>>12835809
>pretentious
>smug as fuck atmosphere
>looks like it will serve water down drinks and say they were aged like that
>That will be Є200 plus interest, sir!

>>12839394
>pretentious
Only in your eyes, pond life.

>>12837587
>waste their time fucking around with trying to serve food.

b-but I want food desu
being drunk and having no food to munch on isnt a good feeling

>>12833934
So they were in the wrong you idiot, anyone who is driving drunk isn't a responsible person. Those people all ubered home

>>12832985
Almost as baffling as how could a casino go bankrupt, if you get my drift ;)

>>12833267
That sucks, man. You should've tried to turn it into a Pickle Joes.

>>12833931
yeah, that poster is the only person who would ever drive drunk, wtf are you talking about. people drive drunk all the time, and people get killed because of it.
Keep living in your little bubble though, It makes no difference to me.

>>12835809
thatll be 10 euro for your biere good sir!

>>12833032
every episode is the same.
the reason they go under is because the owners are all alcoholics that drink up all their product while on the job without paying for it instead of selling it for a profit.

Taffer really married up maybe he isn't such a moron.

>>12833276
>bars are on the decline
The bar scene is HUGE where I live.
We got like 20 or so craft breweries across the island and most of the local bars serve it.
Not to mention live music is popular here, so there's always open mic nights, and the like.

>>12839427
>b-but I want food
then go to a restaurant or a pub.
bars are for drinking.

>>12832985
Regardless of whether the product isn't perishable, they still have expenses such as rent, utilities, and wages, all of which are a constant outflow of cash.

>>12839353
That you, Ritchie?

>>12836314
It's literally the old adage of "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink". He can give these people the nicest venue, the best recipes, and all of the know how he can, but once he leaves they go back to their lazy stupid ways and fail on their own.

>>12842044
Food is high margin and encourages people to stay. If you don't have food I have two or three drinks then I'm out. If you have food I can stay there drinking all night. It doesn't have to be a five course meal, just some decent fucking wings.

>>12842484
He basically does the same thing every episode. I know he's a successful business man and does a lot to help the businesses he visits but if you've seen one episode, you've basically seen them all.

>>12842509
Sure the pattern is the same, there's only so many ways you can fix a bar. I like seeing the unique themes and drinks they come up with.

>>12842122
In the UK deliveroo delivers booze too.I was thinking about just renting a place and buy alcohol, I dont need staff or even delivery people.

>>12833795
This

t. majored in Butt Funneling

>>12842530
don't forget that pub loisense m8

>>12832985
>at a 500%-1000+% markup
well, there's significant part your problem

and btw how often you really "need" to get wasted while watching baseball/nascar