/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12714110
depends. does it taste good or not.

>>12714114
that wasnt the question

>>12714110
Is it tasty?
Can anyone grow it, not just a few select corporations?
Is it sustainable?

If so, then yes.

>>12714110
if they can make it taste good and the same price or cheaper why not.

>>12714110
Abomination unto God.

>>12714110
well i doubt anyone's ever had it because it's still $1000 for a single burger of lab grown meat. I'll wait until they can produce it on an industrial scale.

>>12714110
Do scientists not have any larger problems to solve?
Last I heard, the Earth still have unsolved problems that outweigh "but the pretty little animals!"
Fucking shameful. Get a STEM degree and waste it on this stupid shit.

>>12714139
quality bait

>>12714110
i think therefore i am

>>12714139
Water consumption, methane production, and waste manure managament are pretty big problems caused by industrial meat production, not to mention the land use of both the meat farm and the grain farms needed to feed the meat with all the water consumption and fertilizer runoff that brings.

>>12714265
That shit doesn't affect me in the slightest. I fucking couldn't care less.
How about you biology faggots cure cancer and other diseases instead of pandering to stupid vegan ideology. Put your efforts into a real breakthrough instead of being a total faggot.

>>12714265
This pretty much sums up all what's wrong with modern meat production. Maybe add that antibiotics pollute the ground water. Lab grown meat is the future, probably it'll take them another 1-2 decades to get it right, and then it'll be indistinguishable from "real" meat when it comes to taste and texture.

>>12714273
The costs of land, antibiotics, and all other labors of animal husbandry could be completely offset by the advent of industrial lab-grown meat. Imagine a pound of ground beef costing you $0.25 that's guaranteed to be clean, organic and absent of antibiotics at your grocery store.

>>12714273
>That shit doesn't affect me in the slightest.
Water conservation, greenhouse gas production, and soil erosion affect everyone.
If you don't care, it's only because you're short sighted and underinformed.

>instead of pandering to stupid vegan ideology.
I eat meat too dingus, I just also know that industrial meat production is a shitshow.

>>12714273
water conservation, reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, and keeping fertilizers/pesticides/antibiotic pollutants out of the land, water supply, and food chain is literally what biologists are doing to reduce rates of cancer and cvd. stop shying away from the topic because some politician told you it'd make you sound cool.

taste/price is all I care about

if they can make wagyu tasting shit for a fraction of the cost then im sold, and hopefully that means all stinky cows will be exterminated

>>12714314
Nah we still need dairy cows

>>12714316
Humans don't need cow milk, and goat cheese is superior taste wise.

>>12714110
Good stuff.

t. vegetarian.

>>12714284
>clean, organic and absent of antibiotics

Dream on. It's a processed meat slurry grown in a factory vessel by some corporation, using embryonic cells as a starter. What cocktail will be fed into it to remove germs, promote growth and feed it. If it becomes the cheap option one day, there will still always be a premium on the real thing.

How long did it take for us to go from soy-tasting Boca burgers to Impossible burgers? A decade? Two decades? I'd say lab-grown meat will be commercially viable in about as long. By 2040.

>>12714110
Looks like maggoty rosacea flesh

>>12714335
it's heme protein is extracted from the roots of plants and grown in a hermetically sealed environment. all it needs to grow is water and sugar. it's not even technically meat, it just so happens to be nutritionally and gastronomically identical. independent researchers have replicated this process for various purposes by now. your internet addiction-induced paranoia is showing.

>>12714350
>it's
its

>>12714350
What is exactly? Cultured meat which I reasonably assume the thread is about is not a protein extracted from plants. It is animal cells grown in vitro, not yet another vegan imitation made from nuts or eggs but the real deal (but not)

>>12714362
i was talking about the impossible burger

>>12714366
Then you can go buy one every day while I go out 7 days a week and take care of my 2000 or so animals. Want to eat nutrient paste from a can? That's your business.

>>12714387
what is the point of this post? some retard claimed that lab-grown meat was just as bad for the environment as agricultural livestock farming. i explained otherwise. now you're coming in with some haughty sense of superiority because he was wrong?

or was that you? you're mad that you were wrong?

>>12714406
Wrong about what exactly?

>>12714117
Seen some viedos. The "groundbeef" kind is apparently basically the same the real shit and is grown from bovine muscle cells that they feed. Much less than an actual cow and the energy consumed is also less since they only need to preserve the "meat" while it grows
https://youtu.be/bjSe-0vSRMY
^explain good

>>12714444
>$50 for a credit card sized sliver of meat

The future is going to fucking suck.

>>12714472
With how fresh water resources are going natural meat will be that expensive in the future.

>>12714444
You will never put organic label on this industrial slop or even a label of good farming practice. I suppose all the animals are killed and instead of pasture we have bare land covered in weeds or forestry which some airline buys for carbon credit and cuts once in 30 years with heavy machines. International company feeds us with paste and hides their process farm where they harvest infants while traditional rural communities who care for the animals die out and move to the cities.

Good thing it's a fairy tale and not a normal practice

>>12714498
anon this is /ck/ not /x/ or /pol/ please discuss food and not vaguely political conspiracy theories

>>12714479
Land is the only commodity that matters

>>12714472
For a slice of meat with intact fibers grown in lab, ofc it's gonna be expensive. Lab grown meat isnt mass produced yet but once it does become more common than slaughtered meat you're probably gonna be able to buy a pound of lab beef for less than the real shit. Real beef is eventually gonna become an obscure luxury of the past.

>>12714500
I'm sorry should we talk how to cook the vat grown meat

>>12714498
>I suppose all the animals are killed
A live animal is still needed to harvest the seed cells from.
>instead of pasture we have bare land covered in weeds or forestry which some airline buys for carbon credit
or, y'know, we grow people food on it.
>while traditional rural communities who care for the animals die out and move to the cities.
That's already happening regardless.
If anything, the death of industrial gigafarms will make smaller family-run operations actually viable again.

>>12714498
Giving the land back to nature or some other buyer that will actually cultivate it in a benevolent manner beats millions of tons of yearly cow farts

>>12714115
depends. does it taste good or not.

>>12714387
"My livelihood is not considered in the future advancement of the human race so I'll argue my irrelevant point to any who will listen" the post.
Let's fit the world around you needs mate, yeah.

>>12714509
What is people food. A fucking factory vessel? If a farmer wasn't paying off a 10 million dollar mortgage maybe he wouldn't have to overstock his land to pay the weekly bills?

>>12714534
The ten million dollar mortgage is for standardized structures and equipment that are grossly overpriced and mandatory for industrial contracts.

>>12714519
Yeah give it back to unproductive forest. My land borders onto millions of hectares of it too steep to farm and all people want to do is get at the gold there and aerial drop poison to control the pests. The right land for the right purpose?

>>12714534
not that anon but i think people food means that more lab-produced meat/substitutes would reduce the need for agriculture to produce food just to feed livestock. a lot of land is reduced to ruin because farmers are incentivized to farm corn, soy, and wheat exclusively to feed cattle. this doesn't only ruin the land and water but it reduces the amount and variety of foods grown and sold to people.

>>12714545
So how will that rural land look farming carbon credits so that big industrial business can carry on as usual instead of pasture based food

>>12714539
That's a good laugh I pay 120 thousand a year and deal with infrastructure from the 60s, winter all of my animals on grass, you are clueless

>>12714553
it's going to vary based on region but there could be a greater emphasis on seasonal crops and sustainable foods that demand less artificial growing techniques. or that land could be used for hydroponic farms to grow select crops out of season. or turned into a parking lot, i dont fuckin know but almost anything is better than what's being done now. business models will shift in this direction if consumer preferences are any indicator.

artificial meat is seen as faggotry right now because it's so expensive and doesn't quite replace meat. neither of those detriments will be the case if the technology keeps pushing. the moment artificial meat is just as tasty and affordable as real meat, what do you think will happen?

>>12714560
I am not responsible for your fuckups m7.

>>12714127
No it's not. Last I checked they got it down to double digit prices

>>12714576
you can get one at burger king for less than $5

>>12714110
I'll back it before I back that edamame beyond burger bullshit.

>>12714571
What fuckups are those?

>>12714534
>What is people food.
Food that people eat, like wheat, potatoes and rice.

>>12714691
A lot of people eat meat too, and good luck growing all those potatoes on a hillside, or building anything else

>>12714698
There will, for certain, still be normal meat farms. Just not quite as much.
The convenient hillsides will still have their cows, but there'll be less of a push to aggressively cut down the amazon rain-forest to build more ranches if they can just do it in a nearby lab instead.

There will absolutely still be people like you that prefer animal meat, and I'm certain that there will still be a market for it, just as there will still be people producing it. The world is big enough for both concepts.

It's fucking trash.

Lab-grown meat uses Fetal Bovine Serum to grow the cell cultures.
FBS is won by first removing a cow fetus from the womb and then jabbing a needle into its heart to suck out the blood.
That blood is then allowed to clot and the resulting debris gets filtered off to get the serum.

So no, it's neither cruelty free nor does it eliminate the need for cattle.
It's a useless but very expensive experiment to rip off venture capital fags and other idiots.

>>12714750
It's possible that the researchers might research some way to make their stuff without the fetus juice.

And even then, one syringeful of fetus is a lot less cruelty and a lot less effort than just slaughtering the cow when it's alive.

>>12714759
>one syringeful of fetus is a lot less cruelty and a lot less effort than just slaughtering the cow when it's alive

Pretty subjective view of it. Cattle have a short lifespan compared to humans, is it better to become an old geriatric animal who can't eat property due to bad teeth be ridden with parasites and have your guts torn out by wolves while you watch them do it or to be killed instantly and humanely in your prime after a good life on a farm with a human caretaker?

Those fetus cells come from an animal killed just the same and you can't fault them from using all byproducts if it was a pregnant one, at the moment the fetus is mostly used for cosmetic products and for medical stem cell research

>>12714759
It's a superfluous effort. Raising cattle so you can harvest FBS from them to grow meat in a lab is just fucking redundant.

You also might want to take a guess at how that fetus is extracted, numbnuts. I'll give you a hint, it involves a dead adult animal.

>>12714814
Cattle in early stage pregnancy is worth around 30 dollars more when this is taken into account, compared to the 1400 or so it is worth in prime meat or 2000 or so as a live dairy cow. The calf is worth 50 dollars up to 200 dollars even as a 4 day old which needs to be fed milk by hand for months. FBS is a byproduct of slaughter much like many others people are probably not aware of all around them

>>12714579
>you can get one at burger king for less than $5
That's probably not the cultured meat ones. There are several different kinds on the market, the more common and slightly cheaper one is the heme protein that Impossible burger uses. That's actually a form of vegie burger that just happens to taste like meat.

>>12714110
>Can they make this without killing cows for the genetic source?
No.
>Can they make this fake Satanic "meat" taste good?
Yes
>Will it be in any way natural, or have any vitamins or nutrients whatsoever?
No.

Lab grown fake meat is Satanic, besides using resources and NOT ever giving cows a precious life (Which real beef industry does) it will sicken the humans who consume this revolting "food."

>>12714265
>Water consumption, methane production, and waste manure managament are pretty big (imaginary) problems.

>>12715134
Nah senpai
The majority of animals live in factory farms

>>12715144
>Shows cows in a feedlot.
>Another vegan liar
>Will not discuss or admit that all cows are born and raised on grass first, enjoying their time on flat Earth (before going to the feedlot)

I hope you are a vegan at least, so you can pay for being a deluded drone with your own health.

>>12715148
>they touched grass once so they never in their lives again need consume water or fart and shit methane

Ok.

>>12715148
Gr8b8m8 I r8 8/8

>>12714416
>being this in denial

>>12715158
You are just a committed vegan liar, dedicated to growing your cult, and the normal practice for cultists is to disregard the truth (if it would help the cult more to lie)

Oh well there are many of (((you))) and the entire media and government is supporting your cause and message.

I look forward to watching all of you (retarded leftists) get sick and die.

>>12715174
You claim grass has magic powers that allow cows to violate the laws of thermodynamics, but I'm the liar?

>>12715144
I am curious about one thing vegan--

Why does the vegan propaganda machine always reference and lie about cows?? They could just report on chickens and hogs conditions and be completely honest with that horror show... Why instead talk about cows, and lie???

(Could be because they are Satanists first, and they must lie to honor their Lord)

>>12715174
i see you post this like every day.

maybe you should look up vitamin A and D or something.

>>12715181
I never made any such claim, and your post FURTHER demonstrates that you are a practiced and fluent liar and sophist (as all (vocal) vegans are)

>>12715190
>>12715148
You're argument against methane emissions and water consumption is stock images of a handful of free-range cows on grass and, quote, "all cows are born and raised on grass first, enjoying their time on flat Earth (before going to the feedlot)"

>>12715184
Probably because cows are cuter.

I’m optimistic, I wonder if it will have fat incorporated or if it’s on the consumer to add fat to the beef

>>12715209
I don't cater to NWO bullshit themes like "methane emissions" with serious answers. The "cow farts destroying the world" argument is so monumentally stupid, to respond seriously would mean -you trolled me- which can never happen obviously.

If it works for (((you))) in your goal to sicken, starve and kill off all your fellow leftists, then keep doing what you are doing and speed it up if possible. Just don't take away my healthy food because I don't want to be a sickly vegan, thanks.

>>12715340
I am not a vegan. I eat meat. I have never claimed otherwise.
However, the commercial cattle industry as it exists now is obviously not sustainable.

>>12715390
>the commercial cattle industry as it exists now is obviously not sustainable

Are you the one who made the above comments misrepresenting the cattle industry? If you have some strong opinion about it, then why lie and hit vegan talking points??

And FYI the cattle industry is obviously sustainable forever unless something unforseen happens, like (((governmental action))) banning and ending beef, or they could eventually get outcompeted by pork and chicken, which is already ten times cheaper than beef. (Because of the horrific, but extremely efficient, factory farming methods used in pork/chicken industries)

Maybe when pork and chicken becomes close to free, in cost, the beef industry will decline sharply, but that's a wild guess, and far away.

>>12715480
>misrepresenting the cattle industry?
That's you.
The cattle industry isn't three cows in the alps.

>>12715498
>Inflexible.
>Just hits vegan talking points like a robot.

Carry-on idiot.

>>12714501
That’s not true, at all.

>>12715340
Amazing, but your jibbering carnist ravings are are more insane than a radical vegan. Arteriosclerosis cutting off the oxygen supply to your crocodile size brain?

>>12714110
Unironically a plot by the Jews to control the meat supply and keep it out of the hands of filthy goyim like you and me. Most of the laboratories that specialize in synthetic meat are based in Israel.

>>12715608
kek. i acutally did watch a youtube video on lab grown meat after i saw this thread and noticed hebrew writing on the walls of one of the labs.
idk if "most" labs are based in israel but i thought it was funny that one of the two or three they showed in that video was israeli.

>>12714110
I’m sure this won’t end badly

>Water Consumption "Problems"
Lauging_at_coastie_in_Wisconsinite.avi

>>12714110
I've been following its development for the past 10 years and really want to try it. The only thing I don't like is that it doesn't contain fat, iron, etc. and they're trying to spin it as a good thing by saying it's healthier instead of admitting it's a flaw and trying to fix it.

>>12715184
How are they lying ?

>>12714110

A bright future if fully embraced.

>Doesn't need hormones or antibiotics
>Water needs absolutely BTFO
>No need for massive amounts of land getting destroyed
>No runoff choking our ecosystem and creating oceanic dead zones
>Mass reduction in emissions related to the industry
>Factory farming as a brutal and disgusting practice faces economic annihilation
>No need for workers who get cancer and other diseases at far higher rates practicing factory farming
>No need to continue to turn people into PTSD suffering sociopaths who abuse animals so we can eat
>No need to make animals suffer a life of torture and containment
>No need to rely on animals that were fed inferior sources of nutrition to make them economically viable
>Meat that can be customized to fit nutritional needs and different profiles while eliminating bad fats

The fact is that if you're eating meat right now you're already eating the product of hundreds to thousands of years of genetic manipulation done by humans. Domestic pigs, cows, chickens and a huge variety of animals are already not natural.

Cut to 100 years into the future where find out the lab grown shit contains some sort of chemical that fucks with your hormonal balance or some shit, turning all males into hyper soybois.
You know it to be true.

>>12716243
you forgot about making millions of latinos unemployed and wrecking the economy of brazil

>>12716259
>he thinks soy is filtered
Newfag.

>>12716260

That's a bad thing? Nah let's just let them continue to cut, clear, and burn the planets lungs by a football field a second so that the most inefficient source of planet wrecking protein is readily available for another 20 years before the lack of potable water and the sheer cost see's the same people dying from widespread famine leaving them to zerg rush north.

>>12714333
> goat cheese, superior
heh, goood one

>>12715184
?
Probably 1% of cows live in actual grasslands.
Everyone on /ck/ larps as a country type who gets free organic grass fed free range massaged beef or whatever but that's just not the case in reality.

>>12714333
>arabs
begone

>>12716276

less than 1% of people can understand that "grass fed" means grass finished. The last few feedings are grass before slaughter and nothing more. No health benefits and only to slightly change the flavor from being fed corn and waste.

>>12715480
>the cattle industry is obviously sustainable forever
Is bulldozing a few thousand more sq km of Amazon every time a truck full of 3rd-worlders enters the US for a taste of bourgeoisie decadence "sustainable"?
While we're at it, let's relocate the world population into one state, then use the rest of the landmass as soybean fields and cricket farms. That would technically be "sustainable" as well.

>>12716294
>While we're at it, let's relocate the world population into one state, then use the rest of the landmass as soybean fields and cricket farms.
I bet you'd like that wouldn't you, Mr. Soros?

>>12714110
It's an investment scam, it won't work with our current or near future technology. We will not be able to cheaply produce and keep clean the growth medium. Also it can only produce ground meat.

3D printed fake meat is much more interesting, it can actually create structure.

>>12714126
Get lost christfag.

>>12716338
>it won't work with our current or near future technology. We will not be able to cheaply produce
It already does work, it's just too expensive compared to traditional meat, although it's like 1% of what it cost 10 years ago to make.

>>12716366
They're still growing it with cows blood.

To create and keep clean an artificial growth medium from vegetable sources the price will skyrocket back up ... and it will stay up, because we just don't have the tech to do that cheaply.

Isn't this lab grown meat thing literally being worked on in Israel?

>>12714126
>>12714139

you're not stopping it, it will be easier,safer, less strain on the environment, and save animal lives in the long run

this thread is just hate, stupidity and misinformation

big meat is scared eh?

I'd be happy to see it replace real meat if the following was met:

>safer on the environment
>cheaper to produce and purchase
>safer to eat of course
>at least gets close to the flavor of the original

There's obviously a problem if it hurts the earth more than regular meat, or causes me cancer, or costs 5000 dollars a burger, or tastes like garbage.

>>12714110
If it tastes just as good as regular beef and there's no compromise, then i'd switch to it straight away. Why not?

>>12714110
Is lab grown meat a type of cancer?

>>12714351
Completely destroyed his argument Anon. Well done.

>over half a decade of research
>finally culture enough fibers to make one (1) hamburger patty
>make a big deal out of it
>get a chef to cook it on live television and judges rate it
>the burger costs over 250,000 euros
>judges said it was meh and bland
get FUCKED, Mark Post

>>12716600
>big meat is scared eh?
Some of the biggest meat companies are investing in it. It's probably more small farmers afraid of it.

>>12716288
Not true in many cases, obviously farming practice is different all around the world depending on the quality of the land and the climate. For example here in New Zealand pasture based farming dominates, there is one feedlot in the whole country and it is not without controversy! Cattle are shifted around using rotational grazing so they eat one paddock of grass while the others grow, and excess grass during summer is cut to make hay or silage to be fed out during winter if necessary. They don't generally eat anything else. You might think oh well that's a small country, but it is big business here, you can't go anywhere without seeing some livestock, there's perhaps 10 million cows and 30 million sheep.

Finishing doesn't refer to simply filling their gut either, if it's being finished on pasture in your area then it will be eating it for some time, long enough for it to put on some significant weight which is where the profit is made for the farmer buying and finishing the cattle, he has to pay for those fields and his time somehow!

It's really simple. If it tastes as good as meat and is as cheap or cheaper than meat, therefore replacing meat, then I buy it.

However I must say it seems like I'm faster approaching my own farm and growing my meat through livestock than these researchers are at making good vatgunk.

>>12714110
wheres the fat. or do they just grow muscle tissue? this would taste like shit

>>12714110
I welcome it once it becomes cheap and nutritionally equivalent or superior. Maybe they could engineer tasty but healthier fats, or skew the omega ratio in favour of 3s. Would be great if they could reduce PAHs as well. That all seems like a long way off though. I would still miss bones and marrow.

My ideal would be the synthetic stuff as a staple, with small farms and hunters still doing the real deal for the occasional treat or those who wish to live differently.

>>12714333
Having just rediscovered the joys of cowmilk you can shut the fuck up

>>12715690
>Test
>>When I wake up please all vegans be dead
>In Minecraft

>>12715525
>>Vegan ad-hom.

Pathetic and weak as per usual.

>>12715690
>How are vegans lying about cows and the beef industry??

1.- the cow farts destroying the earth thing. Which is complete trolling retardation level lying. If bovine farts destroyed the earth, we would have all died millions of years ago from ten billions of buffalo farting every fucking day.

2- Vegans claim cows "live in factory farms" like poor pigs. Vegans will NEVER admit the truth- that cows live waaaay better lives than hogs and chickens, and that all cows, even McDonald's burger cows, spend the first part of their lives on grass, in the sun, with their pals and their mothers. Vegans hide this fact (I guess because they don't care if cows Iive better, vegans just want all meat ended and we're all forced into their starvation cult.

(Cows do end up in feed lots, which suck, but this is not their whole life.)


The vegan lies are endless. I could literally go on for pages....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McW1fJHY0-Y

>>12716276
>>12716288
These are lies on such a staggering level, that I must admit my jaw dropped and I gasped for breath just taking them in. You/both should write for earthling Ed, this level skill at lying is a true power House to support leftism and Satanism.

Wow!

>>12718316
>If bovine farts destroyed the earth, we would have all died millions of years ago from ten billions of buffalo farting every fucking day.
There were vastly fewer bovines on the earth before humans started systematically breeding them.

>>12716294
>Is bulldozing a few thousand more sq km of Amazon every time a truck full of 3rd-worlders enters the US for a taste of bourgeoisie decadence "sustainable"?

As a vegan liar/deciever- you failed to mention that
Amazon deforestation
Is entirely for the china market, and for the satanic (your Lord, my mind) market of palm oil.

If the supply ever gets tight, it will come down to simple economic competition, who can outbid who for the meat?? We'll find out in 300 years, until then I wont be able to sleep (vegan idiot)

(And third world immigration is driven entirely by YOU LIBTARDS) don't bother pretending to not be one it's obvious.

>>12717217
In the us, we have feedlots where (most) cows go, after their first months on grass.....without the "fattening" cows on unhealthy veganfood (corn and soy) the beef would just be too expensive for most consumers. "Grass fed beef" in the us, just means cows that never went to the feedlot. This product is much more expensive, a specialty product. I pay willingly so the cows get better lives, in the sun.

Cows literally get lives, because of the money I spend, feels good.

>>12718316
>The vegan lies are endless. I could literally go on for pages....
Also, I think there's a problem with the intelligence and critical thinking of roughly 50% of society if you look at a Bell Curve and know half of all people are below average. It's hard for people not to see lies, over and over, if people are just reposting and rereading the same lies.

>>12718324
>There were vastly fewer bovines on the earth before humans started systematically breeding them.
It took me 30 seconds to show you are wrong and he was right. Check out the exponential 60million+ more bison a couple hundred years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_bison

Only recently have scientists figured out that herds of this or that, with hooves, esp migrating herds moving across fields (versus not moving from place to place) are what assist all other species of animals and plantlife in the issue of desertification of grasslands. It was a TED talk by Allan Savory. Of course the bullshit criticisms are there, trampling all over a respected very old scientist who reversed his views over time. The bigger the ranch the better. Reintroduce breeds like wood bison long removed.

https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/reversing-desertification-with-livestock

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-livestock-grazing-stop-desertification/

>>12718395
The American bison population was 60 million, the global cattle population is over a billion
http://beef2live.com/story-world-cattle-inventory-vs-human-population-country-0-111575

>he
Clearly you, weirdo

>>12718337
The US imported 300 million pounds of Brazilian beef up to 2017, and the EU was the 2nd biggest importer of it

>>12714110
If you eat cloned human flesh, would that make you a cannibal?

>>12718316
>tens of billions
A completely unsubstantiated outrageous number, the actual amount is accepted at around 70 million
http://giscenter.isu.edu/Research/Projects/BisonPaper.pdf

>>12718360
>I feel good about paying for death to virtue signal
You have a mental illness (boomerism)

>>12714273
Improving cell culture techniques will more readily allow biomedical breakthroughs in the future. A real hurdle we have to overcome is our reliance on shitty animal models like mice when our relatively primitive in vitro cultures can't answer a question we ask.

>>12718439
Let's forget about whatever other hooved animals once existed in great numbers on other continents in our figures.

>>12718452
>The US imports one third of 1% of our beef from Brazil.

Interesting. An amount exceedingly close to ZERO. ZERO is also the probability of a vegan ever telling the truth.

We don't need any beef from Brazil. We have so much grassland that we even waste millions of acres of it on a corrupt boondoggle program called "ethanol" which is a corn product that sheeples have to be forced to buy, by (((guess who?)))

>>12718468
>I feel good about paying for death to virtue signal.

I pay for life. Every one cow I pay for, three more get a life, get to be born, something that horrifies Satanic vegans. Vegans are Satanists, therefore they want all cows exterminated off the earth. I would rather the vegans go (to their father the devil)

>>12718481
lets also assume they produce the same amount of gas as the modern cow...

>>12714110
Not for me bruh

>>12718513
Or we could just get real and admit their farts never hurt the earth for millions of years and they still do no harm today.

>>12718500
>ZERO is also the probability of a vegan ever telling the truth.
You said the US isnt an importer of Brazil, a blatant lie. They imported up to 300 million pounds, the EU imports even more. Now you are shifting to percentages. You have a mental illness

>I pay for life
Yes, the death of it. Do you think these shitty boomer memes convince anyone other than your fellow support group attendees who are as drugged out as you? Don’t answer that quasi-pagan Christ cultist Saturn worshipper.

>>12718520
Or that you lied to protect your death cult >>12718468

>>12714750
I don't think there'd be a big issue with culturing cells with serum free media. Also will reduce the risk of getting a mycoplasma contamination in your food

>>12718529
>Some infinitely tiny percentage.
>Proves I'm a liar.

No it just demonstrates that you are a sophistry expert and "debate champion" like all vegan recruiters.ie- you are a crafty liar. (And fair at splitting hairs)

So go forth and recruit millions of leftists into your starvation society. Don't know why you are wasting your time here though. We are neither leftists nor insane (both of which are prerequisites for becoming vegan)

>>12718562

Based nigger.

>>12718562
>US imports no beef

>ok they do but its only a small percentage of OUR total beef, MUH PURSHENTAGE

Completely moving the goalposts after you’ve been stomped. How embarrassing. You’re trying to kill everyone because of your Saturn worship you deranged death cultist

>>12718562
>Health warrior
>Kills own wife and children

Killing their own children? Very popular with vegans, leftists, Satanists (oops that's one group)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtLSn2PqX6k

>>12718562
That's not a vegan thing, it's just a nigger thing.

>>12718573
Who is embarrassed? You? How could an insane open member of a screaming self harm cult be embarrassed. Honest question?

>>12718576
You are both right and wrong.

>>12718583
Are you talking to yourself again? I don’t think your therapists wants you to do it in the second person. Other than carnist genocide. I value all living beings and seek to preserve it from the Talmudic Kabbalic cultists like you

>>12718602
>Third world gibberish.

So let me get this straight, all the "vegan enthusiasm" is third world trolls who barely speak English, posting for some meager vegan gruel?

>>12714114
I didn't like it. A family member bought me some hamburgers without me knowing, but I complained that they tasted like shit. I still ate them all though, so they are at least edible.

>>12718520
Another thing to take into account is the carefully cultivated, fertilized and fast growing pasture they are living on, how much co2 is 1000 acres of good pasture absorbing as it constantly grows? A lot I would say. There is recent research from Australia on a fungus which lives in soil and draws carbon into it, which when drilled into the soil has the potential to make pastoral land one of the largest carbon sinks around, as well as improve the pasture even further. There is already such massive workforce engaged in the industry that it's no pipe dream, the land is being worked daily so it wouldn't be hard to roll something like that out. Many farms also are growing trees for forestry in the steeper areas of their land. Plenty around my area would be carbon neutral for sure and some clever operators have taken advantage of this fucked up unstable market of "carbon credit" to buy even more land with nothing but the carbon value of the trees they have before they then harvest them!

>>12718360
>Cows literally get lives, because of the money I spend, feels good

And don't forget about those who make it their profession to raise animals, who go out and step in their shit every day, take care of their needs so they grow to be the best they can be, breed them, raise other working animals such as dogs and horses to assist them, something which has been a way of life since 10,000BC. I wonder how many vegans take care of more than just some neutered cat or weird handbag dog, who are those who really live and breathe animals and the natural world?

>>12718321
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>>12718717
Does Toothless have anything other than proof by example fallacies and misinformation? He seems like he's O B S E S S E D with antiveganism. His bald head is blinding.

>>12718802
Much respect to all the people who work so hard to bring me my food.

>>12719268
>Vegans protect the planet.

Wow that's an amazing lie, even for a liars cult that's amazing.

>Vegans bulldoze forests to satisfy their need for avocados and exotic fruits 12 months a year.

That would be more accurate, but vegans are allergic to the truth.

>>12719268
>Vegans protect animals.
>People who pay for tons of chemical pesticides
>To be dumped on small animals
>Massacring them in huge numbers
>Don't give a fuck about animals
>But it's good propaganda for a starvation cult

>>12714350
Is it nutritionally identical to meat, or natural heme protein?
Because meat is not merely just protein.

>>12719334
Toothless admits he has nothing other than proof by example and poopthrowing. Rekt.

>>12718520
Yes because clearly there are not a fuckload more cows farting around than there ever was before.

>>12719776
Because we know exactly how many cows were here 200 million years ago.

>>12719799
There was clearly less cows than there are now dumbass.

>>12719802
Source?
>My opinion, and I'm a vegan.

>>12719806
I own three grills I'm not a fucking vegan, just pointing out that you're a dumbass.

Bovidae haven't even been around for 200 million years.

>>12716588
>save animal lives
who care about that but retarded moralfags?
If artificial meat get better and more available, those animal will find themselves without a purpose. Their use will have ended and will slowly disappear as there are no use in breeding them as much. If anything artificial meat won't help the real animal and it will only be useful to humans.

>>12719950
>If artificial meat get better and more available, those animal will find themselves without a purpose. Their use will have ended and will slowly disappear as there are no use in breeding them as much
People probably said the same thing when we moved from riding horses to having cars. The animals won't completely disappear, they'll still be kept around by people who just have an interest in them, or to keep a supply of cells if they're needed, for kids to see as part of their education, etc. There might not be as many, but the ones that are still around will have much better lives.

>>12719991
I didn't mean they would go extinct, I meant their number would be reduced greatly. For a specie, losing 99.8% of your population is pretty bad. Of course we still need milk and eggs, but if we can find artificial alternative to those I can't think of a lot of reason to keep them around.

>>12720008
Would you really say that most animals in factory farms have great lives though? I think I'd rather have a million happy animals on a small farm than a billion miserable animals on a factory farm.

>>12720023
>Factory farm
>Factory farm
>Factory farm

Vegans really know how to hit those talking points. I guess it's the brainwashing?

>>12719991
>There might not be as many, but the ones that are still around will have much better lives.
Same is true for humans. I’ll go first to reduce the population of the world for the sake of humanity.

Big Agri shills out in full force, hard at work keeping the proles in line for the Almighty Rich.

>>12719991
>People probably said the same thing when we moved from riding horses to having cars
We should have kept riding horses. Now were stuck with a load of Metal Boxes that kill tons of people

> The animals won't completely disappear, they'll still be kept around by people who just have an interest in them
But you can ride a horse. What am I supposed to do with a cow? Ask it why all my sons look like girls?

>>12720104
Poor rebuttal. I'm not even a vegan lol, I'm just not dumb enough to believe most livestock animals are all happily running free.

>>12720349
It's a little different because we've forced the animals to breed this much, they didn't do it on their own.

>>12720477
>We should have kept riding horses. Now were stuck with a load of Metal Boxes that kill tons of people
A lot of people get injured riding horses, and plenty of people have died from falling off of a horse. If everyone switched from cars to horses you'd probably see just as many injuries, but at least we can design cars to be safer, there's not a whole lot you can do with a horse.

>>12720494
Yeah those 80 mp/h horse collision are brutal. Or the one time when more then a hundred riders crashed into each other because there wasnt enough time to stop.

>>12720494
Or the time a guy burned to death because the front hooves of his horse exploded.

>>12720494
looks safe to me

>>12720104
>anti-meat talking points are being used by vegans
why should I be surprised, retard?
btw you never actually refuted the point, it turns out its a pretty good argument.

>>12720494
Ohh, do you remember when Volkshorse lied to us bout the amount of farts their horses produce?

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>>12720534
Genghis Khan died from falling off his horse after killing 40 million people. Still sounds safe?

>>12720547
See. They even kill Warlords. If only Hitler didnt drive a car.

>>12715128
go away crhisttard

>>12720484
Kind of funny how every vegan activist is "not even vegan."

And- great use of deception, conflating cows with other animals who do suffer in factory farms. hide the truth at all costs!

>>12720543
Vegans don't make "points" or "arguments" they just use emotional propaganda and traumatizing imagery to inflict psyche damage on their victims. Luckily they are all leftists and libtards so it's not really that bad if you consider the good Veganism does. (Damaging leftists minds and bodies)

>>12714110

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnXfLGcENnI

I say we just cull two-thirds of the world's population and repopulate the empty space with with plenty of wild bison and boar and deer so the rest of us can just shoot our food from the back window and slap it in the oven. there is no place for food in a laboratory.

>>12720684
Let's start with you

>>12720651
This. Factory farms are based. One of humanity's most magnificent achievements.

>>12720684

This is why children shouldn't learn life lessons from the Marvel Universe. It makes them fucking idiots.

>>12720684
>there is no place for food in a laboratory.
You're probably already eating something that has benefitted from food science, unless you actually do nothing but hunt and forage for wild food. You probably shouldn't even be using a computer.

>>12715480
Maybe we could just do something to curb human population growth instead, so that there naturally wouldn’t be as high a demand for animal products to anymore?

>>12714479
yeah, 30 dollsrs for a cup of bathwater baka

>>12720651
>>12720905
Soo.. we have two retards who doesnt even agree(one says factory animals are "based" the other implied before that its just a "vegan talking point") but will joyfully unite under the flag of ignorance and childish shitposting. Keep in mind that im not even vegan and the whole conversation started with one of these absolute 80iq niggers getting anoyed with someone ruining the mood with an actual argument that is not very primitive ad hominem.

>>12721130
thats fine since minimum wage is going to be 30 dollars soon

>>12721513
Factory farms are real, and they are not nice for hogs and chickens. But factory farms aren't the only way animals are raised, "especially" cows.

So yes muh factory farms is a vegan talking point, good for powerful emotional propaganda to get libtards to sacrifice their health and join a starvation cult. Oh well the faster Veganism grows the more liberals will get sick and die. Forgot what's wrong with that though.

>>12721621
I don't get how veganfags get so malnourished. Like, you can literally just eat cabbage and potatoes and more or less be okay, and at least have shit tons of calories. What the fuck are they even eating to get so emaciated?

>>12721621
>Factory farms are real, and they are not nice for hogs and chickens.
>So yes muh factory farms is a vegan talking point
So you're a vegan? You just said factory farms aren't good like a vegan would.

>>12721636
You'd actually have a hard time maintaining weight just eating potatoes and cabbage without anything else. I think it's mostly due to them not getting enough fat in their diet which would provide a big chunk of calories, especially with plant foods that are usually too low on calories. Maybe because they view vegetable oils as unhealthy processed foods.