/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12303953
Because Americans don’t drink wine because they think it will make them gay. It’s mostly purchased as a gift.

>there is only one Californian wine
Drink some bleach to cleanse your palate.

>>12303961
Sorry for not mentioning your wonderful chardonnay. Yum, artificial buttered popcorn!

>>12303953
I had some kind of unfortunately sweet wine in Cali, it was like drinking sugar syrup and turpentine. Had to actually scrape it off my tongue. Why put so much fucking sugar in wine?

>>12303972
Truth 2bh, American wines in general are pretty rank, but their Chardonnays in particular are undrinkable.

Could I make wine like how Koreans make soju, like get some flavorless brandy then load it up with artificial flavors and sweeteners to get it to taste like something between grape juice and actual wine and it's optimized for maximum drinkability so winos can chug it?

>>12303953
Any wine from the west coast from northern BC to southern most tip of South America is some of the best on the planet.

>>12304015
No. The Gallo Brothes have the patent.

>>12304022
Your mouth is broken

>>12303972
I‘m not American. Just letting you know that your experience with a dozen carton boxes from Walmart is not something to boast about, let alone make wide-ranging extrapolations from.

>>12304029
Lucky for you people can have shit taste anywhere

>>12304025
okanagan valley, Is regarded as one of the top places for grapes in the world tastelet.

>>12304053
>ice wine meme

No thanks, I don't have a vagina.

>>12304069
You could if you wanted one, faggot

>>12304069
Are you dumb? Ice wine only comes from the Southern Ontario, Niagara region. If it doesn't it's not actual ice wine, it's most likely fake shit that is artificially sweetened.

Also in a density matter, okanagan, Napa valley and pretty much all of Chile make some of the best grapes.

Now kindly go away.

>>12304034
>it‘s poorfaggot trash that thinks generalizing hundreds of radically organoleptically different wines based on large scale geographic proximity is valid episode
I‘m sure you also have a definite taste profile for „European wine“, „Australian wine“ and „South American wine“, you doible digit IQ babboon.

>>12304095
>he doesn't know ice wine also comes from the Okanagan

https://www.inniskillin.com/index.cfm?method=pages.showPage&PageID=5FF29C56-A119-AB93-0F65-7BE1C937CD8B&originalMarketingURL=Okanagan/Icewine

>>12304095
>Ice wine only comes from the Southern Ontario, Niagara region
Easy on the patriotism, Zhang.

Reminder that the majority of oenophiles can't tell the difference between whites and reds in blind tastings.

>>12304112
This. Studies have shown that 4 out of 5 „wine enthusiasts“ can‘t tell the difference between Dom Perignon and Diet Sprite.

>>12304103
Shitty ice wine. They also add sweeteners and longer fermentation processes. There is a reason why Chinks flock to Niagara region, it's not for shitty casino's and a waterfall it's to taste good wine, especially ice wine.

>>12304123
This. On time I poured Red Bull into a cup and fed it to a pretentious wine fag and he thought it was Henri Jayer Echezeaux Grand Cru, the fool!

>>12304102

That's what I thought
I'm an American btw

>What's the difference between a wine connoisseur and a wino?
>The connoisseur takes the bottle out of the bag.

>>12303960
based and correct hetero americans

>decades later and the french are still mad

>>12304496
This
>Acting like euro-trash wine snobs haven't already humiliated themselves and admitted California wine is better than their own.

>>12303953
because homosexuals (californians) shit cum out of their ass into it.

>>12304123
Citation needed

>>12304714
>spoonfeed me on common knowledge

Guaranteed the majority of people in this thread who will post
>HUUUUUUUUURR DUUUUUUUUUR AMERICANS HAVE BAD WINE!!!!
Are French faggots, reminder to the French you’re the most hated white people. Also your women are hairy and your country is being taken over by Muslims.

>>12304751
0/10 poor form

>>12304954
I like french women, they will spread their legs for anyone at anytime.

>>12304954
Hair growth is a sign of physical maturity. American women are encouraged to shave off all their body hair because American men are all pedophiles.

>>12304095

>>12304095
Ice wine is made quite frequently in the Okanagan as well. Further, Canada has laws stating that only grapes naturally frozen on the vine can be used to make wine that is labelled icewine.

However, you are right that the Okanagan makes some pretty excellent table wine as well. It's still pretty young as a region and finding its identity if you will, but it makes very good dry Riesling, pinot noir, unoaked chardonnay, and Rhone style syrah.

>>12304954
To be fair, America does make a TON of extremely shitty overoaked/highly adulterated wine with no varietal character. They also make a ton of very good wine- California alone is the fourth largest wine producer, after France, Italy, and Spain- but a lot of people are super turned off of American wine by their experiences.

>>12304496
>>12304954
>flyover tards think France is the only country to make wine besides US
Fucking New Zealand and Hungary make better wine than California, you seething mongs.

>>12303953
You haven't drank enough California wines. I live smack in the middle between several wine regions in CA, and the variety is insane. I've had gorgeous wines from here, and I've had terrible wines from here. You need to taste more.

>>12304534
this

>>12305344
>no REAL california wine
Yeah Aussies say the exact same thing. I've yet to try one.
>>12305337
Hungary yes. New Zealand, not so much. Also
>giving (You)s to judgment of parisfags
>any year

>>12304099
>t.

All wine tastes the same you absolute faggot

>>12306286
>knowing what wine tastes like
Fag

>>12304023
Certainly there are more than one way to make completely artificial wines.

california wine is shit just like french wine

australian wine's good tho

>>12306404
>aussie wine is good
2/10 I replied

>>12303953
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>alcoholic grape juice

lol fags

>>12305969
Dumbass, I never said "REAL" California wine, learn some fucking reading comprehension, no wonder you don't know shit about wine.

>>12307165
>California is the only state in the entire US that makes wine
t. swamp dwelling slave stater who has never even seen a corkscrew in real life

>>12307248
I’m sorry you think The Prisoner is good

>>12306404
I think california reds and australian reds are pretty similar, quite a lot sweeter and more balanced and smooth than old world wine

a trained sommelier would probably tell you that old world wines tend to have more interesting and varied flavors than new world ones

my gf works in a wine bar and these are the kinds of things she tells me

>>12307705
What the fuck are you on about? Fuck off.

>>12307722
>balanced
>California and Australia
Maybe if your benchmark is a glass of melted artificial strawberry candy from the doctors office waiting room, blended with a few shots of Makers Mark

Are Virginia wines any good? Eric Trump runs a winery in Virginia so I figured they must be pretty good.

>>12303953
It's been decades
And France is STILL salty, lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)

AND NOT JUST THEN. AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN. AND AGAIN, 30 YEARS LATER ON THE ANNIVERSARY. EVERY TIME, FRENCH WINES, DEFEATED IN FRANCE, BY CALIFORNIA CHARDS AND CABS

>>12307909
maybe you should stop buying canned sangria and get a real bottle

>>12307987
I think wines from the colder parts of America are good but if you're really used to conventional grapes then you might find the flavors of native grapes off putting.

But Norton is one that is made a lot in the Midwest and on the east coast and I enjoy its funky flavor.

what's the price for an everyday grower-made decent bottle of wine in america?
I regularly drink a nice Irancy for 6-7€ per bottle and a Graves at aroung 8-9 (I buy them in 12-bottles boxes).

>>12308126
at least $12 imho

>>12307909
>What is Penfolds Grange
You have a pretty inaccurate opinion of Australian wine. We make some of the best Shiraz in the world.

>>12303953
Cali is well known for over-oaking their shit but they have gotten better recently

>>12308126
$30ish plus or minus some. You might find a few for $20 but it depends on the store.

The stuff we get for $7 a bottle is equivalent to Kraft Singles. Bland, has all the varietal character filtered out through extreme processing, and the best you can ever say about it might be "this isn't too gross".
>>12308139
>$12
Anon is talking about "estate grown and bottled", you want tell us about your secret hookup or are you just confused?

>>12304534
this goy gets it

>>12308303
>Anon is talking about "estate grown and bottled", you want tell us about your secret hookup or are you just confused?
Have you ever been to a real wine shop or do you buy it all at Target?

>>12308336
Dodging the question, nice.

inb4 Coppola

>>12308161
In CA there are a lot of butterbombs AKA cougar juice, but there are many chards that undergo partial or no ML, fermented in SS, and end up chablis-like; and there are chards of every degree between the 2 extremes.

>>12308546
>it's very OLD WORLD anon, you should try it!
>tastes like capri sun
>UR JUST A PLEB WAAAAH STOP NOT LIKING WHAT I LIKE

>>12306286
imagine being this much of a tastelet
>all meats taste the same
>all herbs taste the same
>all fruits taste the same

>>12308387
not him but all of the kirkland labeled PDOs are very good for the money and range from 8 to 15 bucks

>>12308605
>PDO
>California wine
>let's just just throw around random wine words because it sounds cool
PDO is a European food labeling term that refers to specific regions IN EUROPE and it has nothing to do with whether something is estate bottled or not.

>>12306332
>not knowing what wine tastes like
Double fag.

new world wine is boring...

>>12308712
What about Africa?

>(((american))) wine

>>12308955
Oregon wine is okay

>>12304022
This guy drinks wine. I've tasted in Okanagan, Oregon, and I live in Washington and work in the industry. Keep up with the good taste

>not drinking Alaskan wines

You're a gaping asshole if you "taste wine". The only complex palate you can have is scotch and even that is an assholes asshole. I had to drink 5 bottles of Laphraiogh before my phenol sensors would stop telling me I was trying to kill myself.

>>12308016
frenchmen eternally assblasted
>beaten by california in wine competition
>beaten by chinaman at cheese making

>drinking alcohol
>ever
Although it's admittedly pretty funny to watch retarded burgers try to persuade themselves that they can make anything that is even remotely as good as what's coming out of Europe. American wine has always been absolutely trash, and always will be.

If you're a man drink beer

>>12304168

nobody could have ever deducted that you are in fact an american

>>12309699
Chinese cheese lol gtfo

>>12308016
California makes terrible wine but at least they’re not stupid enough to think the only place good wine is made is France

Obviously you must be a flyover so I will ask you why you are defending California when you normally are incredibly angry that the state even exists

>>12309769
A while back a big blind wine tasting competition happened that resulted in American Wines out performing the French completely. Europeans have gotten lazy with their alcohol, but what would a straight edge like you know about drinking?

>>12310532
That “big competition” as you call it was between one style of French wine and a knockoff version from Napa. The results completely ruined American wine and had basically no effect on European wine. All the Americans went crazy trying to win competitions and as a result the only wine we make is “Pls respond: the wine”. Largely undrinkable and entirely one dimensional palate-destroyer monstrosities

>>12304496
this. your wine is overrated earthy (aka dirty) shit. California has a climate that you're French fags can only dream about for making wine. Go lose another war.

>>12307345
North Carolina makes decent wine, especially muscadine wines.

Oregon Pinot Noir > literally every other wine on earth

>>12303953
The best CA wines are the ones that are $4 a bottle or $9 for a box

>>12303953
I'm a sommelier and all I can say is that french wine is still the best even though some american ones are good

>>12305277
>a lot of people are super turned off of American wine by their experiences.
For good reason: the American more is better mentality. Why make a little wine when you can make a lot? Why make something balanced and restrained when jacking up the fruit and alcohol might get you a higher Parker score?

By the time you get to the winemakers in California who are actually making great wine the cost per bottle is insane because they lose out on economies of scale and have to pass the cost on to the consumer. So even when California wine is actually good France, Italy and Spain easily beat it dollar for dollar.

>>12312226
Best pinot per dollar, sure, but there are better wines

they keep getting more expensive tho, probably because of retards like you who can't keep their mouth shut

>>12312180
>I have the palate of a child

>>12312286
>getting more expensive
The good Oregon PNs are just as expensive as any other good PN. The cheap ones aren't worth anyone's time.

The only good remaining PNs that aren't stupidly expensive are German and Austrian, because they aren't actually labeled "pinot noir" so retards don't pay 500% markups.

>>12309343
hello fellow Alaskan

>>12304095
>it's only champagne if it comes from the Champagne region in France, otherwise it's merely "sparkling wine"

>>12312745
Actually though, the text you put in greentext "ironically" is completely correct, whereas the post you replied to is hilariously wrong

>>12312752
>unironically believing this

America has ruined:

Burgundy
Chardonnay everywhere
Barolo + Barbaresco (only now is modernist barolo being shunned)
Primitivo (Zinfandel? Get fucked)
Worldwide adoption of Stelvin

>>12313072
>america forced other countries to make worse wine

imagine actually believing this
california ruined american wine 20 years ago, but there are plenty of serviceable wines to be found all over the place now

>>12313072
wine was never that good

>>12313103
the biggest wine consuming market in the world caused winemaking paradigms to bend to their whims

obviously people weren't forced to oak the shit out of their wines, rather winemakers who did got rich and popular and staunch traditionalists were ignored.

> mfw living in Sonoma and sipping my wine

>>12304184
what if the wine is IN the bag?

>>12312757
Believing what retard? It‘s nomenclature.

>>12314806
A lot of Americans think that since they've never left Baby Jesusville and they think "champagne" is some female rap star from Atlanta, that it's pretentious to act like there's an actual place where wine comes from, or that educated people expect non-fraudulent labeling and get annoyed when people behave as though facts are opinions and opinions are facts.

>>12314812
Americans are like wine, they seldom travel well.

>>12314816
We're a nation of extremes, and our tourists are like Chinese. The ones you notice are terrible and everyone hates them and they set the reputation for the entire country, but there's a small fragment that are educated and quiet and decent and they're always overconscious of trying not to be like the stereotype, so unlike "normal traveler" countries like the Dutch or the Swiss they're actually quite nice to be around.

This thread is full of americans.

>>12307987
>wines grown in a tropical climate
I wouldn't expect the McDonalds family to know anything about good wine

>>12303953
"California" I mean it's a big place I assume you're either drinking trendy overpriced garbage from Napa or hobo wine in a nicer bottle from San Joaquin. Personally I have a couple of friends that own some private vineyards and wineries one in Clarcksburg and the other in Many in and their stuff is always really good. I don't ever buy wine in the store really. Oregon wine is really good especially if you're into dry whites.

>>12309956
>muffled honhonhon in the distance
Go back to striking or something Pierre, you've got a country to bankrupt

>>12315405
Go back Carlos.
You've got taxes to not pay.

>>12309956
Portugal makes the best wine desu

>>12307987
It's not Connecticut so that's something.

>>12315405
>I'm completely lost but I'm going to lash out anyway and hope I luck out
You couldn't find America on a map let alone France or any of the other countries that make good wine

>>12315427
The wine they do make is good but it's a pretty narrow spectrum of punch-me-in-the-face reds, summer beach quaffers, and dry whites. France and Italy have a much broader range of styles to fit any taste and any food.

>>12315440
>Italy have a much broader range of styles
„No.“

>>12315440
I don't really drink the full spectrum I like big reds for strong meals and dry tart whites for everything else. I don't really fuck with the tweener varietals and blends. I will say a nice barbera is pretty fucking delicious with a rare steak.

>>12315405

>>12315461
Compared to fucking Portugal?

The only country that outperforms Italy on oenodiversity is France.

>>12303953
Jesus fuck you’re right. That’s exactly what it is.

>>12314812
America was a mistake

>>12315593
>reds from raisin-juice Amarones to „France, pls, respond“ Barolos to vinegaresque Chiantis, all overspiced
>whites that you forget 2 minutes after a sip
>oenodiversity
Go masturbate to your Super Tuscan marketing shlock elsewhere, pastanigger.

>>12315679
Oh, I’m Italian now? Lmao, how can I be both French and Italian?

>>12315699
>implying there‘s a difference
A shitskin either way.

>>12315724
t. el goblino

>>12303953
>winefags: why do mods delete wine threads
>also winefags: *insufferable shitposting*

quick post what you're drinking or your arguments are invalid

>>12303972
That describes most reds that I've had

>>12315771
>30 fastfood and soda shilling threada
>BAYSED!
>one self-contained wine thread
>insufferable shitposting!!!1
Go back to posting your epic mcchicken and oilet bangs maymays, reddit.

>>12315771
>quick let me shitpost on a topic I’m not interested in
>huh? Why is this thread full of shitposts?

>>12315679
Small brain

Drinking this vanilla tasting Vice President wine. Ever since orange goblin took power the price of this stuff dropped by 25%. It's not amazing but I've had worse from California.

>>12315679
>even thinking about super tuscan when italian wine is mentioned
There is a nigger here and it is not me

>>12317957
There is nothing wrong with Super Tuscans, shitskin.

>>12317972
>le 56% face
If I want a new world wine... well, maybe I don’t because I am not an escaped slave

>>12318015
Are you having a stroke or something?

>>12318024
Looks like you’ve had a few too many glasses of guidalberto, tyrone

>>12318036
Huh?

>>12308387
What's wrong with coppala? I don't buy wine frequently so I'm not in the loop. What's the memes surround it?
>>12307705
Also what's wrong with the prisoner? I unironically just bought one too. I need a quick rundown on both of those wines please so I don't look like pleb when talking wine irl

>>12318424
Coppola is gas station wine, and Prisoner is "wine for people who don't like wine - just like you and me! none of that snob stuff with funny words on the label"

>>12318117
It's a wine. Don't worry too much about it, tyrone. Enjoy pretending to have culture by name dropping stuff from your "most expensive drinks" google search.

>>12315440
>build up a future for our children
based and 1488pilled

>>12304095
>Ice wine only comes from the Southern Ontario, Niagara region
You’re actually retarded.
Google eiswein before saying dumb shit like this next time.
t. Someone who actually lives in Southern Ontario

>>12304099
>babboon
>dioble
Learn to spell the insults before you spew them, fatboy. Your IQ is obviously less than your belt size in inches. Kys.

>>12304954
>most hated white people
What the fuck has white people got to do with you, 56% mutt?

>>12312282
Underrated post. Tl;dr: we don’t want your shitty sugar water, thanks all the same Cletus.

>>12309699
Stop talking shit fatty

>>12319581
>being this assblasted
Stay mad, pastanigger.

>this wine taste good
>this wine taste bad
okay anon, but put on this blindfold for a second please

>>12319798
>b-but your typos
Nice one, poorshit.

WHY is this bait thread still here? It should have fucking disappeared last week.

I'm gonna be honest with you lads. I have never in my life had a wine that I thought tasted good and I must have had several hundred at this point. My wife has always enjoyed going to wine tastings so I go to humor her. No matter what I've had I have never tried one and thought "yes, I would like to have more of this". All of it sucks. Alcohol in general sucks. I'll drink it for the effects but not for the taste. Beer sucks, wine sucks, liquor sucks, liqueur sucks. If there were alcohol capsules I would simply take those instead of drinking.

>>12306032
Oh, theres more than one pic of it. Now I'm scared.

>>12321724
>WHY is this bait thread still here?
Not a bait thread, a wine thread. I'm of the opinion a bit of banter like the OP is fine but these threads are invariably dogshit start to finish. Why? Sure winefags have some problems with the same bunch of faggots spamming le ben teller, le judgement of paris, but they themselves put in a whole lot of effort to make sure their own threads are completely irredeemable. Go on /int/ and look at what countries are the most shamelessly open about their absolute seething butthurt about other countries. Go on /his/ and look at the the ringer-ravaged /int/nigger threads that leak from /int/ onto special interest boards. Consider the crossover between countries with inhabitants that have no shame in openly displaying their bleeding sphincters to all, and who leak their impotent rage onto other boards, and who produce and consume a lot of wine and you'll get to the bottom of why these threads are invariably total write-offs.

>>12321724
Bump 4 u

>>12321928
All of the nationalism butthhurt is coming from flyovers who don’t care about wine though. Notice how they always bring up France because it would never occur to them that other parts of the US produce wine. But from there it immediately becomes a train wreck because they’re desperate to find an ugly stereotype to reference. That is how ignorant inbreds from flyover land respond to stuff they aren’t familiar with. Anger and random hostility. Don’t blame the wine drinkers for this.

>>12309320
Okanagan is pretty bad desu. It's mostly farmers realizing they can make more money with wine and switching their crops. washington is a lot better imo

Wine drinkers hate each other even more than craft beer drinkers

>>12307987
I don't know how good of a businessman Eric is, and being a President Trump supporter won't change that.
I will say Virginia makes some very good beers and ciders, but I have no idea about wines.

>>12323126
>>12307987
It sounds like Virginia is in the leading pack with wine, but not quite at pole position yet. Spurrier lends a complimentary take in a 2013 Chicago Tribune article:
>More importantly, Virginia wines are surprising critics, winning awards and fans across the globe. World-renowned U.K. based wine critic Steven Spurrier characterized Virginia as a “national contender, producing wines of bright fresh character that call for a second glass.” In blind tastings the wines consistently beat out candidates from other parts of the globe.

>>12317931
>a wine stopped selling because of an unrelated surname
Christ, the most retarded of the left are just as bad, if not worse, than the intellectual dregs of the right.
I voted for Trump and bought from a company named Mueller, and this was before the nothingburger was revealed.

>>12321879
how fucking new are you, christ.

>>12323153
"It's not as bad as I expected" is fine but knowing the wine industry they're probably charging about $45 a bottle for it. It's the same problem with Ohio wine, it's not that great but they've got it in their heads that they're the next Cornas.

>>12323167
>I voted for Trump
>calling other people retarded

>>12321724
Hi!

>>12321719
>nobody enjoys wine they are just doing it as a parlor trick
Let me guess the normies who claim to have sex are also just pretending?

>>12324222
Va winefag here, average bottle is around 30 which isn't terrible
VA cab franc is easily the best in the US
VA petit verdot is also fantastic

>>12327085
$30 cab franc gets you top tier chinon though, amd you could barely find a finger lakes CF for that much if you tried. seems awfully steep for “not as bad as I expected” other than as a novelty

>>12324227
makes sense that trumpfags see it fit to spew on ck

I live in Socal

Can you reccomend me a sweetish-fruity red wine?
Ports are too sweet for my taste, they told me Pinot's are the most ''fruit aromatic'' but I always feel they are dry and full of tannin (even though shit like chianti etc is worse)

Is there a more fruity/floral a bit sweetish less dry/tannin red wine than pinot?

>>12327085
spending more than a tener to a box for wine

>>12328400
Some german/alsacian producers make a light, lower-extraction, higher sugar, lower-alcohol version of pinot noir. I am not sure what you mean by "tannin" as the term is thrown around without a lot of precision. Fruit tannins come from longer skin contact (california style) and whole-cluster methods (more popular as you get into real PN and not mass-market stuff). Wood tannins obviously come from wood, you'll get more of those with new oak, which is the overwhelmingly preferred style in california. In california the two will go together - high extraction AND high oak.

You could try the lighter kraut PNs but they're not super common in the US let alone california which has its head up its own ass. And they may not be as fruity and off-dry as you're looking for. I think what you really want is some of the unfashionable local reds made in italy and surrounding areas. Trollinger (local name for schiava) might be ideal as it is often made in a light semi-sweet style for local consumption but good luck finding that in california as it is not a prestigious wine. And if you ask for a wine in that style they'll point you to Boone's Farm because, like I said, californians have their heads up their own asses.

>>12328408
>not just fermenting dumpster dived random fruit juice and baker's yeast

>>12305003
kinda true
>t. met a french girl on the plane to dublin. fucked at the hostel

>>12304496
the french were so mad that they nationalized a bank owned by the Rothschild.

>>12309699
but chinks dont even like cheese

>>12321720
>I can magically see the bank statements and property deeds of randoms
Impressive.