/ck/ - Food & Cooking

It's a pretty easy pseud tell

>guy refers to latina girls as 'spicy'

>>12144392
It doesn't bother me if they speak the language, so they're just pronouncing the food names correctly. But trying to fake it if you don't speak the language is cringe.

>>12144415
I'd rather they fake it than order a quaysuhdilluh

>>12144392
MOTTS-A-RAYLA

For me it’s butchering the pronounciation without regard to how the native speaker feels about it. Better yet if they look at me with hesitation and confusion

>>12144392
>>12144415
>>12144420
I consulted an ethnic coworker about this exact issue the other day, and according to him, it is LESS cringey to do it without attempting an accent, regardless of whether or not you speak the language.

>>12144427
Yeah well I'm ethnic and I say it's MORE cringy

>>12144423
kek

>watching cooking show
>white chef pronounces tortilla or guacamole or some other mexican word with the spic accent

>>12144392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stTzLmoStsU
Just for you OP

>parmezhahn
kill urself my lad

>>12144432
Why would anyone value the opinion of someone who identifies as 'ethnic' who can't even use his Jewish buzzwords properly

>>12144468
gabagool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqE7ZxH7BJE

>>12144466
You son of a bitch.

That Aaron faggot on master chef is the worst offender of this

>>12144420
fuck you

Fresh torrrteehas

>>12144392
It's ok when it's your own culture and you can pronounce it properly but it's cringeworthy otherwise.

>>12144576
I'd go further and say it's okay if it's your NATURAL fucking accent. But I don't care what your ancestry is, if your accent is lily white English but you force overly accented bullshit when saying ethnic names you're still a douchebag. You either have a goddamned accent or you don't. I was a roommates with a guy who yeah he was mexican, spent the first few years of his life there but spent the next 25 in America and didn't have an accent in the slightest. Only when pronouncing mexican dishes would he use this incredibly fake forced accent, always, ALWAYS just to drive home in an annoying way "hey guys remember how Mexican I am". It's fake. It's irritating. It impresses douchebags at best.

>>12144613
>pronouncing things correctly is pretentious
Which one of the red ones do you live in?

>>12144613
Nobody doesn't have an accent.

>using 4chan memes to describe food

>>12144620
Educated people don't but what would you know about education

>>12144392
>buddy always mispronounces Spanish words
>jah-la-pen-o
>moe-gee-toe
>we start doing it too, to clown on him
>mispronunciation bleeds into every day life
>say it in front of cute latina coworker
>she laughs at me
>I have to explain my autism

Gee, thanks Doug you mushmouthed fuck

>>12144649
They have a discernible educated accent. You can tell when you visit a retarded red state and the indigenous "people" look at you with mouth agape when you just talk normally to them. You can see the slowly grinding gears in their malformed skulls begin to smoke.

>>12144616
There's pronouncing things correctly and then trying WAYYYY too hard to do so. Watch that tortilla maker video up a few posts and tell me that's not fake pretentious bullshit the way she overly accents certain words?

>>12144403
This, especially if it's asian or mexican.

>>12144677
we do that to
>gee-lap-Eoh

actually its pronounced "fuh"

Eh I can see both sides

But if I was out on a date and wanted to order a decent bottle of wine I'd at least like to be able to say whatever fancy-French-name at least somewhat competently

They never do it with Chinese food do they.

>>12144613
But what if I naturally speak both English and another language correctly with a native accent.

>>12144728
I don't need to watch it to know you're just getting triggered by people just pronouncing stuff the way it's supposed to be pronounced. Like, the "ll" in "tortillas" is pronounced like a "y", that's not pretentious you mouth breather. That's called an education. Like the movie starring that annoyingly cute girl.

>>12144420
>than order a quaysuhdilluh
literally no one has said this unironically

>>12144616
Getting mad at people for not having passports is incredibly classist and racist

>>12144392
If they can't speak the language fluently they shouldn't use the accent. It gives the wrong impression. I am Spanish but voluntarily don't speak Spanish, I still don't do the accent even though I can pull it off.

>>12146361
there is a difference to recognizing the arbitrarily silent french letters and pronouncing it with an authentic nasally french affectation

>>12146629
that's ridiculous to be frank
in areas like southern california everyone knows how spanish is pronounced. if you call "La Jolla" la jawlluh instead of la hoya people will look at you like you're retarded and you will never be able to get directions anywhere.

>>12146622
You aint bean to texas

>>12146645
I live in the fucking midwest and have never heard someone pronounce the 'l' in quesadilla as it would be in English, do Texans just do it in some sort of weird defiance of Mexicans?

>>12146644
I think almost all americans know how to pronounce mexican "j' and 'll'
The real question is when white people try and pronounce the mexican 't' with the proper 'th'ish sound rather than the normal english 't', does that sound pretentious or ok?

>>12146628
>classist
true
>racist
ur a fag

>>12146558
Not him, but I dare you to watch it. You'll laugh at how she enunciates "ethnic" words.

>>12146684
What percent of black Americans have passports? probably less than white people in even the worst of states like Alabama or Mississippi

>>12146644
>>12146669
there's a difference between accent and pronounciation. You can pronounce the proper spanish letters but still sound American, that's how they figure it out.

If you hear a spanish person say quesadilla, they don't just say may I get a Kay-suh-dee-yah, they say (depending on dialect) somethign that sounds like cane aye getta kayee-sah-thee-yaa.

It looks crazy in phonetics but there is a huge difference, which is what I meant.

>>12146622
go meet a midwesterner

>>12146713
I have lived in the midwest my entire life. No one does that besides dads trying to be funny

>>12146707
I was with a native french speaking black girl the other day ordering tacos and the mexican lady working called her a racist for pronouncing the "t" as it is in spanish and I was super confused

>>12146716
I guess I just have a bad track record for them. I went to a college populated mostly by midwesterners, and I heard things like "quaysudiluh" a lot, since the chefs were mexican, and made food like that a lot.

>>12146721
The Mexican lady was out of line, but normally if you don't speak the language you shouldn't attempt the accent. It will look really weird and is better said while speaking the language itself or being the actual race.

Also, accents used to be used in comedy back before PC overtook everything, so maybe she thought the girl was joking. People make fun of accents sometimes, another reason not to attempt them.

>>12144392
>Excuse me sir, I'm, not quite how to pronounce this right, the Qua-za-dia
>no, no, no, it';s QUAZ-eeeeeee-DIQA
You brought this on yourself pablo, you just couldn't help but fuck with good natured white people

>>12146751
I think the point was, spanish and french have a similar "t" sound, which is why he specified that the girl spoke French. So it came from her accent, not an attempt to have a Spanish accent

>>12144466
FRRRRESH TORTIRREAS

>>12146695
>probably
cool statistic mate

>>12146861
I mean do you not believe it? I don't care enough to look it up but I didn't think it would be remotely controversial

>>12144392
>kwa-soh

>intentionally hack foreigner words to bits
>Bothers the psueds Im friends with to no end, especially my japanese butchery
The best is how fucking angry it makes one of them that I pronounce "tomato" like "tomato" instead of "tomato"

>I could go for some EYE-talian beef sandwiches right now!

>>12146695
Oh look, some of the flyovers are trying to blame their fellow flyovers for their own lack of culture based on some logical fallacies tied to skin color

>>12148597
>Pronouncing it "tomato"
>Ever
Dont lie to us, you dont have friends

>>12144415
I get infuriated when I hear someone speaking standard english and then suddenly switch into ARRIBA ARRIA ENDELEY thick-as-fuck Spanish to pronounce a single word or name in a Spanish accent. So often it'll be Kooba or some person or place. Exactly like >>12144466 It's just unbelievably jarring and insincere. Imagine the equivalent in other languages.

Standard American-English accent: "I could really go for some
Deep-voiced Samurai or squeaky kawaii-desu-neu: "Sashimi"
Standard American-English accent: "Right now"

Standard American English accent: "Today in the city of"
Boris and Natasha Russian accent: "Moscow"
Standard American English accent: "Putin visited the emissaries of Iran"

>>12144392
I once did this in an indian restaraunt and got kicked out XD

>>12149168
Based chicagoan

How can making an actual effort to pronounce the actual name of a food or a word ever be offensive or racist?

It's the vocal equivalent of going to a sushi restaurant in a kimono to "respect cultural authenticity." You'd look like a fucking clown, and these people sound like them.

>>12149260
Of course it's it's insincere. That's the point. It's a *joke*. How bad is your autism that you managed to miss that?

>>12149298
huh?

>>12146644
That's a matter of pronunciation and is a different thing to accent. Take the word jalapeño, for which the English pronunciation would be ja (as in jam) - la - pe - no, whereas the correct Spanish pronunciation would be ha-la-pen-yo. Most English speakers speak the Spanish pronunciation but still with their American or English accent. Your accent is attached to you and determined by where you live, whereas the pronunciation is attached to the word itself and varies between languages.

I think OP and that other guy were talking about people who, in addition to pronouncing the word correctly, also affect the accent of the language in question.

Italian Americans I've noticed take it one step further and do something even more annoying. They tend to say things like "rigot" and "proshoot" instead of ricotta and Prosciutto, but with a completely American accent, when Italians don't omit their final vowels at all, they merely sound weak in their accent, and they pronounce English words like "happy" in exactly the same way.

>>12149284
Pronouncing it right isn't the same as affecting the accent.

>>12149298

Oh wow, that must be one of the first time I've seen "autism" used in a post in way it actually fits and makes sense.

>>12149298

No it's not meant to be a joke. Tell me >>12144466 is a joke. Or whenever you'll hear some newscaster going from standard American english to suddenly sounding like a 1990s movie's hispanic chico character. It's not pronuncing it the same, you can say Halapenyo >>12149338 and keep the normal accent you speak in. There's nothing jokey about it. I'm saying it's as asinine as if someone switched from standard American accent to as thick a faux Russian accent as Boris and Natasha, because that's what they'll do with spanish place names or person names. Not pronounce it right but switch to a foreign accent so fast it'd make you get whiplash.

Alternatively, imagine the reverse. Mexican news caster speaking in their normal accent and hten suddenly switching to a Texan YEEEHAW accent to say the name "Ted Cruz" or "Houston, Texas"

>>12144427
>>12144432
>ethnic
youre what? THATS cringy. I also dont give a fuck how people pronounce shit, this is one of those things that white people virtue signal about to hate on other white people and try to look cool. I dont care if I were visiting another country and they pronounced an english word funny, why would I care if someone white says "case-uh-dilla"? Grow up. If only you faggots cared about things that mattered.

>>12149168
My grandma called them eyetalians till the day she died, apparently my grandpa didn’t trust them since they lived near Youngstown which was a mob run city at the time.

>>12149456
Take it easy you faggot

>>12149413
>thick a faux Russian accent as Boris and Natasha
a perfect example of a fucking CARTOON that's meant to be FUNNY.

>>12149298
>>12149518
Yeah and where in his posts did he complain about the cartoon using the accent? The complaint is people affecting an accent like theirs. God you're dense.

>>12144616
>California and Texas that high
Yeah okay pal

>>12144415
Even when I speak other languages, I tend to adjust to the pronunciation of that language. Not always, especially if it's a word in that language I'm not familiar with, but overall I prefer full fluency. I always find it cringy when Giada pronounces Italian ingredients in Italian when she's clearly fluent in English.

>>12144392
dumb frogposter

>>12144415
>But trying to fake it if you don't speak the language is cringe.

I have several family members who add "ny" to random Spanish words that Spanish-speakers wouldn't even pronounce like that, and they don't believe me when I try to correct them. For example, "ha-buh-nyer-o."

As an ethnic American who has traveled and lived abroad, I definitely prefer to just hear names of American foods in the language spoken in that country, rather than the people using some fake accent that often makes it HARDER for me to understand them.

>>12149260
It depends on the language. Japanese and Arabic are very soft languages with sounds you don't find in English, so some find it hard to pronounce without modifying their voice accordingly. While it may be weebish, I understand it.

Spanish, on the other hand, does not have that issue.

>>12149797
It's not intentional, I don't think.

>>12149814
Did you just call yourself an "Ethnic American"

>>12149897
>Did you just call yourself an "Ethnic American"
Why do you think you are in a position to deny my ethnicity?

>>12149814
>Ethnic American

>>12149954
Feel free to come up with an actual argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7BdSnu4Wos - just for fun!

Um yea everyone has an accent, it's impossible to speak a language without simultaneously speaking an accent/dialect

I think one thing here that no one touched on is it is the audience/listener that matters just as much (or perhaps even more) than the speaker. It's easy to imagine some contexts where this strategy might succeed in establishing credibility and other contexts where it fails.

If a word already exists in English (many italian and mexican food terms) than you're gonna sound like a try-hard goober because we as an audience already know the term. On top of that, it's not a subtle way to index that you're knowledge and so it often fails/results in cringe.

However, in some cases paying a little extra attention to your pronunciation indexes that you're knowledgeable (I'm thinking of not pronouncing gyros like Juh-aye-rose but dropping the Greek R for an American English one OR not pronouncing the last T of bon appétit) and doesn't require an complete shift from you normal pronunciation.

I don't much care for Farideh from Munchies but I think she does a good job of pronouncing those Iranian dishes without completely changing her accent like some kind of idiot (by not changing her R sound to a Persian, for example)

The town where I went to college was FULL of idiots like this that think changing a few vowels on their Indian dishes made them so knowledgeable and authentic good grief.

>>12149885
Ok, sure, but I think several words from these cuisines have found their way into English (sashimi, sushi, bento, baba ganoush, etc) and you don't need a special pronunciation to be understood.

If you already had a good mastery of the target pronunciation and learned the word from someone in that language, sure, I'll buy it that you pronounce the food more authentically "naturally" but you're more likely to learn about these more common foods in English before you learn how to pronounce them in the target pronunciation Think croissant, for example. Not one non-child learner of French discovered this word after gaining decent pronunciation, certainly before.

That's one reason the flatev video is so annoying, that women pronounces "tortilla" and a few other words like she is straight outta the barrio but says others such as "chili" in the most englishly way possible.

>>12148597
if we still had that like button my man

>>12144392
Absolutely. If I'm in a Japanese restaurant in America surrounded by people who don't speak Japanese, I'm going to pronounce a Japanese word how its recognized in English. Ever heard a turbo weeb say Kah - Rah - Oh - keh? (karaoke)

Same thing if I'm in Japan speaking Japanese -- I pronounce English words as they do in Japanese. Anything else would sound fucking retarded.

>>12146558
That’s not what we’re talking about nignog, the standard pronunciation of those words in english uses the y sound (which by the way, isn’t the same as the sound in Spanish). We’re talking about, for example, a pasty white yank rolling or tapping their r’s for a single spanish word and then switching back, it’s embarrassing

>>12149338
No the english pronunciation is /haləpenjoʊ/ but the spanish is /xalapeɲo/, the “j to h” and “ll to y” sounds are standard in loan words from spanish, they’re still in an “american accent”, they aren’t pronounced with any sounds that don’t apear in regular american English. What this thread is about is people needlessly pronouncing (or more often attempting and failing to pronounce) it like a native, with sounds and general mouth posture different from how they were speaking normally.