/ck/ - Food & Cooking

We need to raise the user age to 21 around here.

>>12121212
HOLY DIGITS!

>>12121212

good lord

asian moot needs to make it happen now

Alcohol is hard to describe in terms like bitter or sweet. Its almost more like a sensation. Breing drunk is nice. You’re self image dissolves and you are able to be more honest about your feelings and desires. It does relieve stress.

>>12121212
I'm 28 anon even if you don't believe it, drinking age here is 16
>>12121232
I suppose people's experiences differ with it, sounds pleasant

>>12121212
THOSE DIGITS!

>tfw low tolerance
I want to try one of those 1% alcohol juice things so I can possibly experience the blissfulness of being drunk instead of feeling dizzy and terrible

>>12121192
Depends what you get, what type you have, etc.

rum generally is more sweet
vodka can be bitter or completely sweetend
fireball is cinnamon

beer can be bitch drinks to white trash. If you want to try some get mikes hard lemonade as a first go. If you dislike that alcohol is not for you

>>12121192
>Is it sweet? Bitter?
yeah, kind of both
>What's it like to be drunk?
Fun
> Does it relieve your stress?
I'm not much for getting stressed regardless of alcohol but some use it for this. Its fun regardless though, I don't see drinking primarily as a response to negative things, just something that makes things good or bad more fun, especially social situations

No point or quills go for the hard stuff first time, some whiskey or cheap high percentage stuff

>>12121350
try light beer

>>12121192
Tastes like shit.
>muh acquired taste
No different than tricking yourself into being gay or liming feet. If you have to force yourself to enjoy it, it's not good to begin with.

That said, being drunk is awesome. Just drink cola or something to mask the taste enough for you to choke it down quickly.

>>12121212
WITNESS

>>12122072
>Tastes like shit.
spoken like a lite beer swilling teenager

>>12121192
Alcohol smells like it tastes, make of that what you will. I'm drunk right now, barely felt like I worked today. For people who arent big drinkers, I'd recommend Bacardi. Mixes well with juice, soda, or anything. My personal favorite is bacardi and coke with a splash of amaretto, those are as easy to drink as water

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>>12121192
it tastes absolutely awful. but being drunk is alright.

barely worth drinking to me but still sometimes you just gotta do it

If you're a pussy like me, try drinking white wine, its sweet and alcohol isn't too prominent and it gives you a really good buzz/great sleep. Ginger Beer is good for beginners, make sure to get one with alcohol.

There's lots of different types of alcohol so its hard to really get down to how it tastes on its own. It varies a lot depending on what you're drinking. One common factor though is the numbing sensation in your mouth, and in stronger stuff there might be a slight burn.

In my opinion you're best off trying a hard liquor. Beer is an acquired taste, even by admission of the people who love it. I never developed a taste for beer, regardless of how many varieties I tried. Still tastes skunky and bitter to me. Never cared for wine either. It just tastes sour and flat.

I loved my first sip of single malt scotch though. It's got a nice sweet flavor and a pleasant numbing, burning sensation due to the high alcohol content. If you want to ease into things, try drinking a cocktail with rum or vodka mixed in. Vodka has very little flavor of its own, and Rum is very sweet.

>>12121212
czhecked
OP, it really depends on what alcohol you buy. Straight liquor will almost always taste like shit and burn. Wine tastes alright. Generic beer will taste like beer. Stouts will be creamy. Ipas will taste bitter. Cocktails like a tom collins are delicious and great for new drinkers. Another good one for new drinkers is rum and coke with lime.

Being drunk is fucking great if you don't overdo it. I will lay in bed for hours while drunk listening to sad music and just be in another reality living out whatever daydream I want. As for stress, I don't really have any stress in my life so I wouldn't know.

>>12121192
Alcohol is relaxing if you have just one drink, sometimes a little euphoric. It's highly euphoric if you have 2-3 more. Any more after that and you're heading into getting drunk territory, which quickly wears off into being highly depressed and unable to make sound judgement territory. Everybody who talks to you will want to run away from you because they know you're kinda sauced (I worked in a bar for 2 years, being sober around drunk people is the worst possible job ever).

tl;dr if you don't drink, don't bother you're not missing anything.

>>12121212
I don't usually give a shit about digits, but this is legit epic.
>>12121192
There are alcoholic drinks with every kind of flavor, but ethanol itself just tastes like burning chemicals (until you've killed that part of your palate with repeated use - though the first time you'll likely put down a few shots of vodka without blinking an eye, though whiskey will likely make you gag). Like any drug it will never be as good as the first 4 times you try it, but it will take you 20 something times before you get the hang of it and understand what and how much you like.

>>12121192
Alcohol is shit.

It tastes and smells like rubbing alcohol

>>12121212
nice

>>12122242
>Like any drug it will never be as good as the first 4 times you try it
First few times I drank was at 14 years old. Friend's mom would give us screwdrivers when we stayed over. Was good but never enough to really get drunk. I really discovered my love of alcohol when I turned 21 and could buy my own shit and drink alone

The only alcohol you need is whiskey. One glass, you feel happy. Two glasses, you suddenly find it much easier to express yourself, although not necessarily easier to understand. Three glasses and you will get a preview of what senility is like. Four or more glasses will transport you hours into the future with no memory of what happened.

>>12122269
>open bottle of Smirnoff ice
>smells and tastes like lemonade
???

>>12121350
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazake

>Amazake (甘酒, [amazake]) is a traditional sweet, low-alcohol Japanese drink made from fermented rice. Amazake dates from the Kofun period, and it is mentioned in the Nihon Shoki. It is part of the family of traditional Japanese foods, made using the koji mold Aspergillus oryzae (麹 kōji), that includes miso, soy sauce, and sake.[1][2]

>There are several recipes for amazake that have been used for hundreds of years. By a popular recipe, kōji is added to cooled whole grain rice causing enzymes to break down the carbohydrates into simpler unrefined sugars. As the mixture incubates, sweetness develops naturally.[3] By another popular recipe, sake kasu is simply mixed with water, but usually sugar is added.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umeshu

>Umeshu (梅酒) is a Japanese liqueur made by steeping ume fruits (while still unripe and green) in alcohol (焼酎 shōchū) and sugar. It has a sweet, sour taste, and an alcohol content of 10–15%. The taste and aroma of umeshu can appeal to even those people who normally dislike alcohol. Famous brands of umeshu include Choya and Takara Shuzo. Varieties are available with whole ume fruits contained in the bottle, and some people make their own umeshu at home

>>12122273
I hate to break it to you, but you've been drinking really bad lemonade.

>>12121212
Witnessed

>>12122276
Not an argument. Not all alcohol is bottom shelf grain alcohol from a plastic jug.

>>12122285
Hey, my Seagram's handles may only be $13, but they come in glass.

>>12122291
One day, you will shed this delusion. Then you will begin a true transformation

>>12122321
I started with expensive shit and various cocktails. I eventually settled on lower middle shelf vodka because it's affordable, goes down like water, and gives you the least hangover. I've gone through all the alcohol transformations to end up where I am. It's always the same routing error; brings everyone here.

>>12121244
Then just get drunk then. You won't become an alcoholic or whatever your worry is because you got drunk one time.

It tastes like how rubbing alcohol smells and a bit bitter

>>12121192
You're not missing out much desu, alcohol by itself doesn't really taste much, but it's a damn good disinfectant so you'll feel a slight burn in your throat on drinks with higher alcohol content. That being said, I don't drink to get drunk so I can't help you with that part.

>>12122364
>I don't drink to get drunk

>>12122369
>t. amerilard who doesn't understand European alcohol culture

>>12121192
>what's it like
Tastes bad, best covered up by cream or sugar.

>how's being drunk?
Can be pretty good. You feel less inhibited and less intelligent, exacerbating your emotions and slowing your reactions. Starts to suck dick once you can't walk effectively, and being drunk wears off slowly so it can get real uncomfortable if you take it too far (think vomit and nausea).

>does it relieve stress?
No. Alcohol is a depressant and if you are stressed going into it you will be stressed coming out. It might make you easier to distract, but when you sober up you generally feel worse about whatever you were trying to forget. Drinking because you are stressed is an easy way to develop an unhealthy relationship with a potentially dangerous substance.

All in all I recommend weed so long as you are older than 18.

>>12122380
Yeah, and next you're going to claim that you don't drink coffee for the caffeine...

>>12122404
I drink decaf

>>12122507
Well, you're a loser.

>>12121212
Praise be digit master

it's essentially hard hitting, messy feeling, anti anxiety medication

>>12121212
I guess that's all you need to make it legal at least in 1st world countries

Mic check >>12121212

>>12121192
salty coins and milk

>>12121366
>rum generally is more sweet
Surely only if it's flavored/sweetened? Otherwise it's just a distillate of alcohol and water from fermented sugarcane, possibly with water added back, also possibly aged in a wooden barrel. Alcohol itself doesn't have much flavor, actually, 100% alcohol is very uncomfortable to drink. I used to do shots to show off at parties but your tongue doesn't really have receptors to recognize it, it feels like an indeterminate heavy vapor, you just have to force yourself to swallow and be aware that the vapors are still in your throat, swallow a few more times. Obviously it is a liquid but it doesn't feel like it, and most people will cough and choke because they can't put it down and end up inhaling part of it after swallowing.

>>12121212

Based

>>12121212
Considering the subject, Gents we are looking at a once in a lifetime post. Just like my septs during the meme war senpai. Literal tears. All is forgiven this day.

BUMP

>>12121192
>I have never tasted alcohol

But I bet uve tasted cum fucking faggot

>>12121212
12

>>12121192
I tell u no shit .go buy the cheapest 1l 40% find someone to drink dont act too much of moron end

>>12121192
It tastes like if your mother said you can go to the zoo but you go to the games arcade instead, but if that were a flavor.

>>12122080
Beer tastes like shit. I like whiskey or rum with coke.

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>>12121192
tastes like shit for the most part. it does relieve your stress because you're lightheaded.

>>12121212
this is baste and hurricane pilled

alcohol is bitter for the most part, you can cut it to make it sweeter but for the most part it will always have a bit of bitter taste

>>12121192
sauce on image? Also, it depends on the alcohol. Vodka tastes like rubbing alcohol smells. Rum is best booze.

The first time I got drunk got me a gf. It made me feel relaxed and happy as fuck so much that I confessed my feelings to her with much greater ease than sober.

>>12121192
I advise sweet cider or sweet white wine for your first sip. Beer is bitter, and I personally dislike it.
Alcohol is not Oxycotin, you can taste it without becoming a drunkard. Never drink when sad, only drink for happy events, and you should be fine. Don't get completely shitfaced : appeciate the taste and, if you drink a glass or two, the mild euphoria.
Also learn your alcohols. Beer especially makes me sad, and one glass of wine gives me an instant headache, while I can chug stronger alcohols like Rum easily.

Also the first glass should always be in family, why the fuck you asking that shit on a Thai mandala-drawing forum ? Do you come from a Muslim family, or do they refuse to acknowledge the 21st Amendment ?

>>12121192
Drinking sucks ass. Being drunk is great.

>>12121192
>What's it like?
Different beverages obviously vary greatly. Concentrated alcohol has a burning sensation more than a taste, low and medium concentration is more of a warm tingling, low concentration has kind of a slightly bitter heaviness to it.

>What's it like to be drunk? Does it relieve your stress?
It reduces inhibition, which means the actual effects will vary. I get de-stressed and feel happy, because I'm an anxious person. Things like food, porn/sex, and other lizard brain pleasures seem twice as good.

Some people get really angry. Some people get really sad. YMWV.

>>12121350
If you live near Eastern Europeans go to one of their grocers and get kvass, ~1% weird bread soda.

>>12122622
No, rum is inherently sweet. Have you never had any?

>>12126000
drink better booze faggot

At first it makes you happier, music sounds better, food tastes better, you enjoy life a lot more. Then it gets depressing, you cry and throw up, and you spend the next day feeling like garbage. But you drink again because you remember what it used to feel like, but each time it sucks a little bit more.

It tastes like a haircut.

>>12126391
>But you drink again because you remember what it used to feel like, but each time it sucks a little bit more.
this is true. i'll never forget how amazing and blissful everything was the first few times i got drunk. now i just cry or binge on shitty snack food when i drink.

>>12126409
>now i just cry or binge on shitty snack food
I do this without even having to get drunk.

>>12121192
It's ok anon I've never taste it either. My bussy doesn't have tastebuds

>>12121212
blessed post

>>12121212
Checked

>>12121192
based and pure sobriety poster

>>12121212
Absolutely based

As a person in their late 20s that only started drinking, 5-10 times a year max and always 1 drink at a time, the best way I can compare the taste of alcohol to people who dont believe me when I say I dont like it is that it taste very similar to kombucha to me.

OP drink kombucha and it taste , well at least beer but generally has an alcoholic twang, it and that is literally how I feel about alcohol.
it taste fine, sometimes sweet when mixed, but at the end of the day all I really taste no matter how hard I try is a mix of bitter, vinegar, and not much else.


I have no idea how people can order multiple drinks of alcohol, it just sits hard in your stomach like old bitter lemons mixed with apple cider vinegar.
my ranking. The more dry and clear the better.
gin =tequila > white wine > red wine > vodka >>>>beer >>any dark liquour

>>12122272

nothing about the taste?

Mix this with coke. Way better than rum.

>>12121212

>>12128007
I fine I can enjoy beer because their is a variety of flavors you can get out of it. But honestly their is way too much beer served its ridiculous. I enjoy the taste of a beeer 1/3 of the way through and Im ready to move on to the next drink.

Flights are more fun for me and OP id figure flights of beer would be the best way to approach beer. Otherwise you will most likely end up feeling like me where your beer feels like a god damned chore of drinking almost a liter of carbonated bitterness

I avoid alcohol totally these days, but when I was struggling to control my depression alcohol felt like the ultimate medicine.

I think I was dangerously close to becoming an alcoholic because I was using it every day just to try and function like a normal human being, thankfully I'm in a better headspace these days and I feel much healthier physically too for having ditched it.

>>12121212
terribly based and redpilled

>>12121192
How is it possible to never have tasted alcohol? Not even a sip?

>>12122387
Great post

>>12128007
The acquired taste meme is true to a certain extent for sure. I used to despise beer but I grew into liking it after trying different styles over the course of a few years, now I love just about any kind. As far as liquors go you generally just like it don't. Personally my scale is the opposite of yours, I find dark liquors great like single malt scotches and bourbons. Absolutely cannot stand clear liquors.

>>12128089
There are some very sheltered, very boring people in this world

>>12128160
I can enjoy a beer but I cant finish it. Id rather swap between 3 beers of different flavors to enjoy it.

I had a really good old fashioned at a 100 dollar steak steakhouse in philly and I wont say I didnt enjoy the drink because I did, but I wouldnt order it any time soon. It was high quality but I was fighting to like it.

>>12121212
ALLAH HAS BLEESSED US

>>12128315
ALHAMDULILLAH

>>12128286
Nothing wrong with either of those, man. We all have different tastes. The world would be a very boring place if we all liked the same food, music or art.

>>12122380
I'm British and we absolutely love getting trashed and so do all of the euro immigrants here.

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>>12121350
if you feel dizzy and terrible from one bud light, I don't know if you're ever going to make it.

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>>12121192
All alcohol starts with sugar. Grain (or fruit) is boiled to get carbs down to their simplest form. This is then chilled to the point that yeast can survive. The yeast is added and will start eating sugar and shitting out alcohol and carbon dioxide until the alcohol content is high enough to kill the yeast. At this point you have your simplest form of alcohol. It is very sweet due to sugar content remaining. What beer makers do is add bittering agents (hops) during the boil to combat the sweetness. Liquor makers do not need worry as much because they are going to distill the resulting alcohol to remove excess water and impurities (flavor). What happens next is generally dependent on the type of liquor, but the flavor is also affected by what you originally boiled.

Alcohol is for married couple

>>12128089
Some people have principles and dignity

>>12129354
Oh get the fuck out of here with that garbage. People from all walks of life have been drinking for thousands of years, you aren't better or worse than anyone that does or doesn't drink. Not drinking for health reasons is just fine but to pretend it gives you dignity or something is absolutely autistic

>>12121212
obligatory height verification when?

>>12129493
never said i was "better" than anyone but if you use dead people as a justification for drinking poison then you definitively have no dignity
if alcohol was discovered today there's a 0% chance it would be legal

>>12129510
>Never trust a man who doesn't drink
And we see the prophetic truth of that statement daily in the US nowadays.

>>12129572
yeah because losing his brother to a bottle must've been a great experience for trump

>>12129510
Some of the most dignified people in history imbibed, you're retarded.

>>12129616
OK?

>>12129510
>if alcohol was discovered today there's a 0% chance it would be legal
No, Pfizer would own the patent and it would be overprescribed at $25/mL. It's fine that you don't like alcohol, but that's no reason to be an idiot.

>>12129604
Okay, you lifted your hand a little too soon.

>>12129629
No, it would be ignored for safer alternatives such as heroin that don't cause loss of motor control or permanent brain damage

>>12129635
Now I KNOW you're Mormon. Church just announced gay marriage isn't apostasy anymore and their kids can be baptized before 18 without First Presidency permission. How does that make you feel?

>>12129670
I'm an atheist. Why are you ignoring what I said? Is it because I'm right?

>>12129679
>I'm an athiest
Sure thing morealfag :/
Marijuana was a thing long before it was illegal but I'm sure you're all for legalizing it.

>>12129706
I would rather have marijuana be legal than alcohol. Marijuana doesn't cause liver or brain damage. Marijuana isn't (physically) addictive. Marijuana doesn't cause 29 car crashes a day. Marijuana won't make any parents beat their kids. Really I would like if both of them were illegal, but if I had to choose one it would be marijuana.

it's "hot" but not spicy, in fact it's kind of "rounded", almost like a flavorless ultralight grease, if you put it with something sharp tasting it will round it off if that makes sense

so for babies just get one of these alcopops, they're for people that don't drink real alcohol. that or just mix some vodka with a clear or fruit soda. make sure the bottle of vodka costs at least $20.

I had a brain injury and was drinking alcohol while recovering. It puts stress/aggression/anger in check for me. feels like I reached some sort of checkpoint. remember where I been where I'm going who I'm passionate about. you cure the soul with the senses

>>12129722
Good thing nobody cares about your insignificant opinion.

>>12129750
hey guys look this dude DOESN'T CARE! ISN'T THAT CRAZY??? this guy and his bottle of liquor just don't GIVE A SHIT!!!

>>12121192
Its basically your favorite type of bitter. Most people make drinks to hide the bitterness with sweetness.
Being drunk is basically like being damn near asleep but not being tired at all. Blackout is like sleepwalking.
Buzzed just takes the edge off and makes things less worrisome or bothersome.

Everyone reacts differently though, so it could be different for others.

>>12121212
Good god.

>>12121212
>t. hacker known as 4chan

>>12129604
Drinking =/= being a self deprecating alcoholic

>>12129816
Drinking =/= Drinking?

>>12121212
damn

>>12121212
wow
fuck me

>>12129763
No, nobody does.

>>12129722
too bad marijuana isnt harmless either and is linked to psychosis and other mental illnesses. Both should be legal, and only used in moderation

>>12121212
But what does it mean?

>>12129898
I never said marijuana was completely safe either but... fuck... at least it's not the cousin of a chemical that makes you go blind
Why not make them both illegal (slowly) and let society adapt to that? Why should any drug be a legitimate part of society?

>>12129942
>Why not make them both illegal (slowly) and let society adapt to that?

Because we've learned from history that banning things:
1) doesn't work
and
2) is often worse than the harm caused by the substance itself.

Ironically, most of the harm from "Drugs" comes from the fact that they are illegal, not the drugs themselves. Drug related violence exists because they are illegal and therefore traded on a black market with no regulation. Likewise, deaths from drug use are nearly always caused by overdose. Overdose is caused by two things--people deliberately spiking drugs with more potent drugs in order to develop a reputation for selling "strong shit", and because when you're buying a drug on the street you have no idea what it's potency is. That leads to problems like:
>heroin user has been using safely for 2 years.
>dealer gets busted
>user looks for new dealer. new dealer's product is twice as strong as the old one, but the user doesn't know that.
>user takes drug from new dealer unaware of how potent it is
>overdose.exe

All of those problems would disappear if the drugs could be purchased legally in a safe environment, and with regulation to ensure known potency.

I agree it would be nice if nobody used drugs, but that's a pipe dream, and fighting the problem is worse than controlling it, as we've seen time and time again throughout history (prohibition, "war on drugs", addiction clinics, etc.)

>>12121212
Add me in the screenshot

>>12129979
Well, part of the reason for banning alcohol in particular failing (the only legal recreational drug in most of the world) is because the ban got into effect immediately. Of course people were going to seek out alcohol illegally when it was the norm to drink it just a few weeks earlier.
I do agree with you that having a full on "war on drugs" will be worse than having a safe environment and regulation in place. The reason for starting harder drugs often isn't because of interest in the drug itself but because of other problems in people's lives. Improving society and people's lives is a lot harder than blaming it all on some substance.

>>12130015
You will never stamp out alcohol use because of how easy it is to make it.

>> The reason for starting harder drugs often isn't because of interest in the drug itself but because of other problems in people's lives
Yep.
Go read about the "Rat Park" research experiment.

>>12130036
Fair point, but how many people do you think would go through the effort of doing that when it's no longer the norm?

>>12121192
good vodka tastes like a warm streak going down your throat

>>12130042
Plenty of them. People make pruno in prison for chrissakes.

And for that matter, how would you even achieve making it "no longer the norm"? I claim that is an impossible task.

>>12130050
>Plenty of them
Maybe, but would 86.4% of the US population try it? Doubt it. I agree it can seem like an impossible task since it's so entrenched at this point, but it would be REALLY NICE if it were to happen eventually. After all hasn't the world changed faster in the last 200 years than at any point before?

Also it's not like pruno is their first exposure to alcohol. They make it because they were able to get it before coming into prison.

>>12130069
>Maybe, but would 86.4% of the US population try it?
I don't think that 86.4% would make it themselves, but try some that another person made? Sure. After all, "street drugs" are illegal and we spend massive amount of resources combating them, yet they are incredibly prevalent, despite being far harder to make than booze.

>>After all hasn't the world changed faster in the last 200 years than at any point before?
Sure. But that change hasn't always been for the good. I'm not even sure that *most* of it has.

>>12130091
I know I'm arguing from an idealistic point of view, but I don't see how alcohol would be the drug of choice for anyone if it wasn't legal and so prevalent
It's one of the few drugs that can kill you from withdrawal for christ sake. It would be seen as barbaric to be drinking poison that makes you lose motor skills, vomit, say stupid shit, etc etc

>>12129722
Marijuana worsens mental illness and retards brain development in those not fully developed.
>I would like if both of them were illegal, but if I had to choose one it would be marijuana.
Case in point

>>12130106
I haven't used marijuana either, and alcohol ALSO worsens mental illness and retards brain development in those not fully developed

>>12130105
>but I don't see how alcohol would be the drug of choice for anyone if it wasn't legal and so prevalent
You will never make it not prevalent. It's so easy to make it that you cannot make it illegal. Even if you waved a magic wand and erased all memory of alcholol from every human being, and you destroyed every book, work of art, or any other referance to alcohol on earth, people would soon discover it once somone drank some juice that hadn't been refrigerated properly.

your point of view isn't idealistic, it's naive.

>>12130117
You can make opiates by planting a poppy but you don't see thousands of people advocating for their usage in the same way do you? I'm not saying alcohol usage would drop entirely but it would be nice if it wasn't treated as something different than a regular drug

>>12130135
>you don't see thousands of people advocating for their usage in the same way do you?
You do in Afghanistan, where it's one of the few viable cash crops. And plenty of people use opiate drugs, despite our massive efforts to stop them.

>>it would be nice if it wasn't treated as something different than a regular drug
In my opinion, both alcohol and typical "street drugs" like cocaine, cannabis, and basic opiates should be legal. Why? Because we can see form history that the cure is worse than the disease. the war on drugs is highly counterproductive: it directly causes deaths via overdose and contamination, it spreads disease because users cannot get clean needles, and it leads to worse and worse drugs being invented in order to circumvent the laws. For example, cannabis is relatively benign. However synthetic cannabis meant to skirt the law (e.g. K2, spice, etc.) has put many people in the ER and the ground. How much sense does it make to ban something as benign as cannabis only to force people to use a deadly psychosis-causing alternative instead? Study history and learn from it. Frankly I think drugs and booze are both disgusting. But I can also see that fighting them is worse than controlling them.

>>12130154
>Frankly I think drugs and booze are both disgusting
Me too. Wouldn't it be nice if we could move the general consensus closer to that view? Again yeah it's an impossible task to try to control people and change an entire population, but, it would be nice!

>>12130069
>hasn't the world changed faster in the last 200 years than at any point before?
Technologically yes, but it's stagnated politically and socially which is the root of most evils today.

>>12130171
>Wouldn't it be nice if we could move the general consensus closer to that view?
Why? A view is just a view. Why is my view better than anyone elses? I don't want everybody to agree. If we all agreed on everything then the world would be a very boring place. You're entitled to your opinion. It don't care if your opinion agrees with mine or not. If it does, cool. If it doesn't, also cool. Neither of us are the arbiter of what the other should be doing. And it goes way beyond drugs. For example, I find the idea of having sex with another man to be disgusting, but if someone else enjoys it? Cool, who am I to tell them what they can or cannot do?

>>12130183
That's a fallacy. "Violence is bad" is an opinion that should be shared by everyone. "Having sex with children" is an opinion that should be shared by everyone. Sure, you can argue whether or not "Drugs are bad" is an opinion that should be shared by everyone. At least I think so.

>>12130205
Having sex with children is bad*
lol

>>12121192
It tastes like liquid degeneracy. Highly recommended.

>worst opioid crisis in US history
>/pol/ddit's response: durr we should ban weed and alcohol because people I don't like talk about them too much

>>12130225
the alcohol crisis is way worse than the opioid crisis
https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html

>>12121192
like lighter fluid, people make cocktails for a reason they don't want to taste the stuff

>>12130205
No, not everything is an opinion you moron.

>>12130270
Do you believe in natural laws/rights granted by God?

>>12130205
>That's a fallacy.
No, I asked you to explain.

>> "Violence is bad" is an opinion that should be shared by everyone
I agree completely. And we can state logical reasons as to why this is the case which people agree on.

>Having sex with children" is an opinion that should be shared by everyone
I disagree about this one, because aribtrary limits like "children" are never consistent. Whatever age you pick for the "age of consent" there will always be some people below that mark who are perfectly capable of having sex without trauma, and there are other people on the opposite side of the line who are not.

>>Sure, you can argue whether or not "Drugs are bad" is an opinion that should be shared by everyone
And I think we should argue. Because there's nothing clear here. On the one hand it's true that drugs can be abused and that some people make poor choices regarding them. But on the other hand, the drug is an inanimate object. It doesnt' do anythign on its own. We humans use it. Whether the results are "good" or "bad" depend entirely on how we use the drug. And history has proven that many drugs can be used in ways that are beneficial, and produce either no harm, or harm that people are willing to accept in exchange for the drug's benefits. Debate is necessary to shed light on this complicated subject.

>>12130270
That too.
>>12130283
Nope. God is fiction, at least until we are presented evidence to the contrary.

>>12130343
I think attributing anything to a drug is wrong. If you do isn't that effectively giving up? Are humans so pathetic we can't do anything without strange chemicals clogging up our brains? For example, if you're taking it to improve your endurance or willpower then why the fuck not work on those properly rather than taking the easy route? It seems morally wrong to me.

>>12128016
>Bird Dog whiskey
Man, that shit's my favorite. About a half shot of the blackberry kind goes great with morning coffee

>>12130355
>If you do isn't that effectively giving up?
No, why would you think that?

> Are humans so pathetic we can't do anything without strange chemicals clogging up our brains?
Our entire lives are build around chemical reactions in our brains. Why does it matter if we get a dopamine hit from seeing the word "like" on a screen, listening to music we like, reading poetry we enjoy, looking at a painting, or taking a puff of a drug? In our brains it's all the same thing.
I ask the question: what's the harm. Many drugs have serious risks of harm so we either don't use them, or we only use them when the need is dire, like chemotherapy for cancer. Other drugs are very benign and people use them every day without harm, e.g. caffeine.

>> For example, if you're taking it to improve your endurance or willpower then why the fuck not work on those properly rather than taking the easy route?
If your intent is to raise your abilities then why not do both?
If your intent is to compete in a sport with agreed-upon rules, then of course I would expect you would follow the rules instead. If the tour de france says you can't take PEDs then don't take PEDs....or take them but don't enter the race.

>> It seems morally wrong to me.
What benefit do you think this moral serves? If it doesn't serve a benefit, why keep it as a moral.

IMHO it all comes down to risk vs. benefit, or pros. vs. cons. And those are highly situational.

>>12130403
What's the point of anything? Why not kill half the population so the other half get a happier life (= more dopamine hits)? Why not kill yourself? Ranking morals on how much they benefit you and nothing else seems like a very dangerous proposition to me.

>>12130436
>Why not kill half the population so the other half get a happier life
That doesn't serve the greater good, and most people oppose killing and violence. Notice that while most religions disagree wildly when it comes to dogma, pretty much everyone agrees that killing, stealing, rape = bad, and so on.

>Why not kill yourself?
I enjoy being alive.

>Ranking morals on how much they benefit you and nothing else seems like a very dangerous proposition to me.
I agree, which is why I try to avoid relying on morals rather than logic much as possible, unless we're talking about the basic principles that everyone agrees on, like "don't lie, don't kill people, don't rape people", et cetera.

>>12121192
You're not missing anything

>>12121192
I have not drank alcohol before, but I use it in cooking fairly often. You should give it a try, like paupet vaudois in white wine, beer bread, wine jelly. I don't recommend actually drinking it, but yeah as an ingredient it usually has good results.

>>12130362
It's cheap whiskey and cough syrup flavoring. The label makes it seem nicer than fireball, but it's basically its cousin.

>>12121192
Poison and ambrosia in the same glass.

>>12126704
I want to frick your bussy

>>12121212
Tfw digits literally confirm 21. Praise kek newfags btfo

>>12121192
its a strange hit i cant describe as all alcohols taste different
- beers: sour
- whiskey/burboun: burns but when mixed with other flavors sweet
- vodka doesnt really taste of anything untill mixed with another flavor
i dont touch liqurers

does it relive my stress? if i drink enough of it....

whats it like to be drunk? open eneded question because alcohol treats people differently it makes em angry/sad/ or happy and usually all at the same time.

>>12122364
> I don't drink to get drunk
i don't watch porn to masturbate, i just like the acting

>>12131320
kek

>>12128016
I drank the chocolate stuff and passed out in bed and threw up spaghetti

>>12121192
i swear i saw this exact post on r9k the other day

>>12128160
>The acquired taste meme
it more to do with the fact humans taste develops over time to move away from sweet things, also spicy, bitter and sour things lose some of their potency as your taste buds age. So a beer might seem bitter to a young person but might seem sweet to a older person

>>12131122
Anon please

>>12131413
You lose taste buds as you age. Bitter things wont suddenly get sweet, bitter things just become more tolerable because you literally cant taste as good anymore. This is different from an acquired taste. You can acquire a taste for something through prolonged exposure, commonly with beer, fermented foods like sauerkraut, dark chocolate etc. Just like how your nose "gets used to" certain smells. Give someone whos never had whiskey a sniff and they'll be on their ass but someone who drinks it often can pick out nuances without getting the alcohol fumes.

>>12121212
I guess that settles it this is a 21 and up board now

>>12130436
>Why not kill half the population

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>>12121212
based

>>12121212
TWENTY ONE CONFIRMED ZOOMERFAGS
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>>12121212
is this on redit yet? If not put me in screne cap

>>12126229
Yes, and more than you have, apparently.

>>12121212
Paying respect to the digits of ages

>>12121212
Oh fuck somebody better screencap this shit.

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>>12126391
Pfft. No it doesn't. Keep your daily drinking below 2 or 3 and you will be fine. If you want to get drunk daily then you will end up in trouble though.

>that first beer of the night

>>12133810
>that first beer of the day
A good beer is essential to any breakfast. Goes great with the sausage and potatoes and sauerkraut