/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11825987
>drinking anything that goes over 8%
fucking alcoholic

>>11825987
Its like a guinness that actually tastes good
>>11826007
I like beer that can actually give me a buzz. 4.7% abv Pilsners are just for the taste

>>11825987
one time I bought a 4 pack of these, went home and drank them in about 3 hours, then went back to the liquor store visibly drunk and got another 4 pack.
the same cashier was still there and didn't say anything. she even had to get manager approval because apparently they have a system that notifies them if the same debit card is used in multiple transactions per day.
then i went home and drank two more. it was so acidic that i accidentally burped and threw up a little bit like a little baby
had a massive hangover the next day

>>11826007
>over 8%
Kek. The average beer is 7%.

>>11826131
bruh where do you live?

>>11826137
California

>>11826131
Stupid alcohol by weight burgers

>>11826146
Its alcohol by volume

>>11825987
>not smoked porter

Any recommendations on (accessible) sour beer? I loved pic related, but I can only get it from one specific restaurant/bar, and it's $10 per pint.

>>11828221
Probably doesn't count but lambic is pretty delicious

Certainly isn't cheap though, at least the ones I've seen

>>11825987
I enjoy this one a lot.

>>11825987
>the best imperial stout

>>11828233
Thanks. I'm looking forward to trying it, after reading up on it.

Still, I wish I could get like a 12 pack of this Stupid Silly beer or something like it. Not really a drinker at all, but after trying this, it's probably my 3rd favorite drink behind water and tea.

>>11826137
>>11826139
Also California here. 7 percent is a typical IPA or a decent sour, placing on the weaker side for average craft beers. I'd say standard for most desirable beers is more like 8 to 8.5 percent. People drink 10 percent triple IPAs like it's nothing. Don't get me started on stouts.

>>11828426
Also California and triple IPAs are probably my favorite style.

>>11828242
Severely underrated. I found a stash of this stuff once at some shitty liquor store and havent found anyone who stocks it since.

>>11825987
It hasnt aged well in its market segment.

Sipping one of these atm

>>11825987
im not a huge beer autist but i really like old rasputin. its pretty crisp even though its super sweet and creamy

>>11828490
That Canadian breakfast stout on draft

3 days in a row crushing as many of those as they’d let me

Not trying to start an autistic shit flinging session, but what's the appeal of sour beers? Do you guys really enjoy them? If so, what specifically do you like about them. To me they all taste pretty anemic, acidic and unnecessarily carbonated. It's like drinking and sour milk, although sour milk has actual flavor. It's actually just like drinking Alka Seltzer

For me, I prefer pilsners, lagers, dunkels, browns and porters

>>11829094
Forgot to ask, how's Two Hearted Ale? Is it overly hoppy cause im sick and tired of everything being hopped, like stupid founders solid gold lager

very good

>>11826007
t.utahfag
Salty over your 3% beer i see

>>11829094
Sours, especially fruited sours, are a delicious break from more ordinary beer flavors. Nothing wrong with tart fruit, especially as a meal accompaniment. Good sours can also easily stand in for wine.

>2019
>drinking alcohol

Hows the brain cells? Oh wait.

I just now realized why this thread gets babysat and the al/ck/ threads get 404'd in a matter of minutes. You guys are viral marketers and the mods obviously get a kickback for keeping this thread up. You can tell from the image names alone, these are given to viral marketers and they don't even bother to rename them. It's literally just breweryname.jpg or beername.jpg. The other really scary thing I noticed is that even the replies in this thread seem reused, like two bots having the same conversation with each other every thread.

Fucking freaky.

>>11829877
What the fuck else would they be called, you literal schizophrenic?

>>11829877
It's free. If it bothers you leave. Or only pay attention to a beer that gets appreciated by others.

>>11829919
>t. feistybot

ITT: Gays.

>>11829094
Sounds like you’ve only had trash

>>11829877
al/ck/ threads are off topic and belong in /qal. /beer/ and other discussion threads are considered food. Nobody is here to viral market anything; this is s general that can't even make it to 100 posts before falling off a slow ass board.

>>11825987
if youre older than 21 and drink stouts or ipas and talk about them in any capacity youre a loser reddity beer nerd

the only people who drink beer and aren't shit are people that just drink them at parties and drink hard liquor like normal adults

>>11830305
imagine getting upset at people drinking beers

>>11828269
>Putting coffee and/or chocolate in your stout

That's how you know it sucks.

>>11830350
Retard.

>>11830305
>being proud of being a party jock normalfag on 4channel
Reddit would be more to your preference, fuck off.

>>11828221
Left Hand, Anderson, and Dogfish have decent sours.

Old Raspy tastes like someone made a nice stout and poured vodka in it. Moat other high abv stouts are better crafted to mask the raw alcohol flavor. It's everywhere though, so it's always babby's first imperial stout.

with honey and citrus medica. One thing I'm ashamed of my shit country is that we dont have any tradition in brewing proper stout as we drink mainly pilnser beers due to the hot weather...

>>11825987
My go-to, can't beat it for the price point either.

>>11826007
>the only way to drink beer is to slam an entire two-four in one afternoon

No anon, you are the alcoholic.

>>11829104
Two hearted is a great neutral IPA imo. I’m not super keen on overly juicy, hoppy, sweet, and citrusy IPAs but I like two hearted. It’s pretty crisp and not too sweet or hoppy

>>11828233
>lambic is pretty delicious
That's like saying "get an IPA", kek
There are so many different ones and by far not all taste the same or equally good.

>>11829094
A good sour beer in my opinion is very refreshing, not only sourness but some complexity to it's taste and a little fruity, depending on the style.
I didn't like it at first because I just wasn't ready for a beer to taste that way, but I love me a nice one now.

Some people might just not like them though. Sourness is not for everyone I guess.

In love with this one.
Belgian brewery from the Ardennes region, not too far from Luxemburg. Formerly called Brasserie de la Bastogne, now Brasserie Minne I think.

It almost smells like actual cream, is quite mild but very heavy at the same time. It's brewed with rye, so that's quite interesting. Really would like to experiment a little with rye myself.

>>11825987
>stout
Ah yes, the new hipster beer after IPAs stopped being obscure. What will all you faggy hipsters drink once all the styles get too popular?

>>11831062
This is literally my brother. He thinks he's so cool for drinking stouts. He thinks he's cool just for saying the word "stout." He's an obnoxious little faggot. He also likes to tel everyone he meets that he likes scotch and cigars, because he thinks it makes him look mature. But when you ask him what kind of scotch he likes, or what kind of cigar, or why he likes them, you see what kind of faggot he really is, just trying to get attention.

I suspect he actually browses this board.

>>11831062
>new

How is it that flyovers are so behind the times even though they are the heart of the craftbrew industry?

>>11831085
To be fair, only the midwest is relevant in the beer scene. All the other flyover shit holes might as well still be living in 1980 thinking molson is a quality import

>>11831085
The beer style itself isn't new, it's just the latest thing you insufferable faggots jumped on to show how "trendy" you are

>>11831316
>it's just the latest thing you insufferable faggots jumped on

You demonstrate my point, flyover.

>>11831085
>How is it that flyovers are so behind the times even though they are the heart of the craftbrew industry?

lol. you really think niggers give a shit about microbrews?

>>11826007
pretty sure alcoholics strongly correlate with drinking low ABV beer

>>11831316
>stouts are the latest thing
Yikes.

>>11832537
So you were drinking them before they got trendy, eh?

>>11829877
you figured it out, dozens of small craft breweries many with only a handful of employees are paying people to post on /ck/
>It's literally just breweryname.jpg or beername.jpg
Why the fuck would I name an image of a beer with anything besides the name of the beer? What do you suppose a non-marketer would name their image of a beer? Something unrelated?

Also, al/ck/ threads were just sad, beer is food and has always been board relevant

>>11832541
Yes, but that's irrelevant to the fact that big/barrel aged stouts have been trendy for a good decade at this point.

>>11831062
i was drinking stout before the hipsters did, that must make me pretty cool rite?

>>11831316
what are you even talking about you coastie trash?

>arguing over beer
Wow you faggots need to drink more and relax

>>11831390
Why are you trying to push this flyover meme in response to absurdly non-flyover posts?

>>11832554
Beer threads are probably one of the best threads on /ck/ these days (obviously they sometimes get into regional flamewar shit), but there's so much good beer out there and it's affordable enough for enough /ck/ neets to be able to participate in it that it's one of the few things that's actually thriving here at this point. Fuck hazy IPAs, though.

>>11832564
Where the fuck do hipsters drink beer and not just wine?

>>11832576
Hazy IPA is good though, I am so glad we moved away from the West coast IPA trend as a country

>>11832579
In bars.

What's the deal with 120 Minute these days? I lived in Chicagoland and the East Coast like 5-6 years ago and it felt like everyone would sell out and you could only buy a couple bottles at a time. Now I'm in California and it just sits on the shelf and often gets a price reduction. Has it gone down in quality or does California just have that much better IPA options?

>>11832619
eh, if a hipster is drinking a beer in a bar its gonna be a shitty lager, maybe that Mountucky Cold Snack stuff that has been popping up all over the place the last couple years. They sure as fuck aren't drinking stouts, regular craft beer is way too normie heterosexual white male for hipsters to have any interest in it

>>11830354
He isn’t wrong
A good stout doesn’t need to have kid friendly flavoring you fucking pussy

>>11832625
because its a meme and most people dont want to drink beer thats as strong as port wine

>>11832632
>doesn’t need to have
Nobody said it needed it. If anything he was implying that adjuncts/flavorings are only there to cover up a shitty stout, like the trolls are always saying about hops with IPAs (as though hops aren't a main ingredient in all beer).

>>11832625
There are more breweries everywhere now than 5-6 years ago. Like way the fuck more. Also a huge portion of craft beer consumers are looking for new things, there used to be few enough good breweries that a yearly release by a national brewery could draw hype, now there are very few annually available national beers that generate much hype with anyone having dozens of local guys releasing new stuff all the time

also, California is just not a beer state, they kind of have a reputation for not buying good beer at stores letting stuff that would sell out anywhere else sit, a much smaller percent of the population is into craft beer than any good beer state

>>11832632
both plain stouts and flavored stouts are good, getting mad at flavored stouts is fucking dumb

>>11832639
>a much smaller percent of the population is into craft beer
So? California has a much bigger population than any state in the midwest or north east. Craft beer is huge in California.

>>11832651
>So? California has a much bigger population than any state
Do you not understand how retail works? More people means more stores, lower percent of people that drink beer means those stores cater less to beer drinkers and good stuff sits on shelves when they do

Craft beer is moderately popular in California but their per capita consumption is a little on the lower end, its no Mississippi, but its not in the league of the Northwest or Midwest or even New England. Its growing though, LA is almost on the verge of not being a bad beer town anymore

>>11832662
Nobody ever used LA as an example of a good place for beer in California.

>>11832677
no, of course not, but it is the most California of places, you cannot judge the state without primarily considering its main metro region. You simply cannot consider yourself a top tier beer state when your largest, most important and most iconic city is a mid-low tier beer city. San Diego is great of course, if all of California was like SD it would have a decent argument of being a top tier beer state, but its still quite disheartening to see how few people are into craft beer in a city with as many good breweries as San Diego, its just not a great culture and local stores and restaurants do a pretty bad job taking advantage of the local beer scene

>>11832695
>the most California of places
Only people who've never lived there think that, and only because of movies/tv.
>local stores and restaurants do a pretty bad job taking advantage of the local beer scene
I don't disagree with this, but I don't think it's anything specific to California.

>>11832714
I get that people from the periphery of California don't like that LA is what others think of. But LA is the biggest part of California. What you are doing is like asking some one to judge New York state by Buffalo rather than NYC

>but I don't think it's anything specific to California.
I wouldn't exactly say specific to California, but in my time in San Diego and LA it is something that has really struck me, especially compared to what I have scene in the New England and the Midwest

>>11832639
Brainlet take. California doesn't need to buy garbage like Dogfish 120 or BCBS because our local options are way more enticing.

>>11832734
LA county produces more hype beers than San Diego, and it's not even close. Nobody lines up to buy anything from San Diego besides maybe Pure Project, and that shit is way overrated.

>>11832734
>What you are doing is like asking some one to judge New York state by Buffalo rather than NYC
Does Buffalo produce more wealth than NYC? It's not exactly a good analogy.

>>11832738
way more enticing that what?
Other people have more enticing things too and still manage to buy it

>>11832751
maybe extend your focus beyond meme beers that only a small percent of even those who drink good beer obsess over

>>11832780
Sorry your regional meme beers don't find an audience in the more competitive California marketplace.
>>11832789
>I don't like hazy IPA so I'm just gonna disregard it even though it's the very most relevant style in the craft beer world for five years running

>>11832809
No, I love NEIPA and pastry stout, but there is more to craft beer than that. A tiny portion of beer, even of top tier beer is stuff that you can only get at brewery only releases. To judge a reason or city primarily on the number of hype NEIPA releases they have is absurdly narrow a criteria

>>11832809
>Sorry your regional meme beers don't find an audience in the more competitive California marketplace
Great California breweries can't even get into grocery stores in California while good national beers sit on the shelves, its not a great situation

>>11832820
Most top tier beer sold in California is sold brewery direct. The only exceptions are breweries that are in small markets, and even then you have strong entrants like Electric Brewing in Murietta.
The top quality regional player is Alvarado Street, and there are only three places in LA county that get regular Alvarado distribution. It's truly a direct to customer model out here.

>>11832827
It's a matter of the large beer distributors muscling out small, high quality breweries. The only craft distributor with any real volume is Stone, and the higher quality Independents don't need their help to sell through. Medium-high quality breweries like Mumford and Highland Park have minor distribution to bottle and can shops, but will never be seen in grocery stores. They don't need that market segment. Again, the real fire is only sold at the site of production and regularly sells through without needing to be handled by a middleman. That includes Green Cheek, Monkish, and Electric, all of which sell their full production within hours and have a fanatical customer base.

>>11832836
because California is not a great beer market

>>11832874
Except it really is, producing some of the very highest quality beer in the country and supporting twice as many craft breweries as the next closest state. You can't dismiss the scene just because the culture isn't like what you're used to (what can I cop at the local Kroger).

>>11832894
I am not dismissing the scene. I am not saying California is bad and has no good beer, just that the market is lacking in some key ways and therefore cannot be considered amongst the country's elite. Remember, beer everywhere is better today than at any other point in history

>>11826104
Gay story bro

>>11832912
I mean it's not an unpopular opinion that we're the best beer destination in The country.
https://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/every-state-in-the-usa-ranked-by-its-beer
Again, the market functions differently here and that's in large part due to the AB InBev / Constellation / Heineken / etc behemoths. This is why it's important to support true independent breweries and to tell fake craft brands (Goose Island, Founder's, Ballast Point, Lagunitas, Elysium, Golden Road, etc) to fuck off.

for me it's founders breakfast stout

>>11832945
>AB InBev / Constellation / Heineken / etc behemoths.
Literally every state deals with that

>>11832945
Its super misleading to judge an absolutely massive state against a state a fraction of its size without accounting for that

>>11832863
>Again, the real fire is only sold at the site of production and regularly sells through without needing to be handled by a middleman.
I'd point out that beer I can't buy might as well not exist for all the impact it will have on my life.

>>11833030
Yet thousands of craft beer enthusiasts make time to buy, share, and trade these can releases, which find their way across the country to enthusiasts in states with similar scenes like Massachusetts, New York, and Pennsylvania. I guess you're just not as committed to craft beer as these people.

>>11825987
Old razz spew tin

>>11832945
Holy shit I hate you elitist dirtbags. Founders isn't "craft beer" because they make too much beer? I'd rather have twenty breweries that make beer as good as Founders over the thousands we have now that produce one great beer every once in a while. Lagunitas is fine too. You're a faggot.

>>11833086
Founder's is not craft because they are 30 percent owned by Spaniards. Lagunitas are 30 percent owned by Germans. I don't make the definitions, but these are no longer craft breweries. Also, you're a faggot.

>>11833096
Sorry, Lagunitas are 50 percent Kraut.

>>11833086
Craft beer isn’t necessarily a term of quality. It’s a production distinction technically speaking alongside microbreweries. There are set production and ownership rates at which you can be called a microbrewery

>>11833096
Okay I did do a quick search before I started arguing and I completely missed the bit about them selling to Mahou. I never knew about that. I take it all back. Though, I've been drinking Founders for a long time and I haven't noticed a change in their beer quality. That's really all I care about. If someone doesn't want to support them because of that then I understand. It wouldn't surprise me if 100 years from now every successful independent brewery has been bought out and their standards have been drastically lowered.

>>11833111
I mean I certainly hope that isn't how things end but it's how the large conglomerates want it to go.
https://massbrewbros.com/new-ab-inbev-video-claims-craft-beer-will-be-gone-in-two-years/

>>11833073
>I guess you're just not as committed to craft beer as these people.
>committed
Their mental health issues are not my concern.
If something has neither national nor (my) regional distribution, it doesn't matter to me how good it is at the source. I'm not at that source. I'll stick to what is made here in my town, or at least brought here professionally; and not worry about the state of my beer life list.

>>11829019
We should talk..

>>11833140
Drink Local is a respectable philosophy. But whether you're in Austin, Phoenix, Richmond, Philadelphia, Portland, Columbus, Salisbury, Canton, Chantilly, or Rochester, it's likely that the best stuff is sold direct to customer at the brewery rather than distributed. You can always cop your local fire and trade it to others for out of market stuff. That's how I manage to get Trillium, 450 North, Burley Oak, Treehouse, Aslin and Hudson Valley cans out here on the west coast even though none of these are distributed.

>>11833219
>respectable philosophy
That is a GODDAMNED lie, anon. I haven't been respectable, nor cared to be, since the Carter administration.
>That's how I manage to get Trillium, 450 North, Burley Oak, Treehouse, Aslin and Hudson Valley cans out here on the west coast even though none of these are distributed.
I'm sure your life list is most impressive.

>>11833231
Some of us just care more about beer than others I guess.

>>11833235
Anyone can pop open a can. Tell me all about the beers that you've made, not the ones that other people made for you.

Pic related and firestone walker are the only beers I drink anymore. Not gonna pretend I like stouts.

>>11833440
It's making me mental(er); standard what?

>>11833440
I really like stouts for about 2 weeks out of the year, then I immediately switch back to more refreshing styles

>>11829877
>viral marketers
Did braindead shitpainters like you actually misuse "shill" so much that you now have to misuse an entirely different phrase to mean shill instead?

I had this for the first time recently. Really darn good.

>>11828269
this shit is good. One of those beers that has stood the test of time and will for a long while.

>>11833943
The pic is cropped for some stupid reason. Had the cocoa coconut barrel aged Narwhal from the series

>>11830055
Correct. Craft beers are fucking rank and the people who like them are always wantk artists

>>11830305
it's possible to enjoy a good hearty stout or belgian ale and also enjoy whiskey at different times you dumb try hard dipshit. i bet you have a neckbeard

>>11825987

>>11825987
I tried the worst beer I've ever had yesterday. Modelo Chelada. Didn't look at the ingredients and though it would be kind of like a regular Modelo. Wrong.

It's like someone took a V8 tomato juice a mixed it with a gross beer.

>>11832863
Distributor here, that's not how it fucking works asshole, so stop talking about shit you dont know regarding my profession. Thanks.

>>11834035
>A flyover truck driver says it don't be like that, so it isn't

>>11834017
You had no idea what a chelada was before buying a beer labeled chelada?

>>11834017
Yes, Chelada is a disgusting Mexican beer mix. I don't think I would ever buy one, maybe not even try it.

>>11828550
Based and leaf pilled

>>11830350
All stouts have hints of chocolate in them retard, even Guinness

Decent but I've drank so many sweet barley wines lately so I was almost disappointing that it wasn't a meme sugar bomb.

>>11834815
disappointed*

>>11831062

>not drinking every kind of beer

The next fad will be sour though

>>11825987

>>11832945
founders is top tier suck a dick

had this one tonight, not bad at all considering its style, which I'm not the biggest fan of

Are coffee ales worth trying? I work at a grocery store and we have the Elysian Split-Shot espresso milk stout and the Public House Giddy Goat coffee milk stout, both are roughly $10 for a 6-pack.

>>11835714
Depends on your taste, innit?

>>11835726
I guess that's true. I tried the Goose Island bourbon barrel stout and enjoyed it, thought it was pretty fucking rich though. Don't have much experience with stouts other than Guinness, which I haven't really had in awhile.

>>11835741
Beers with coffee don't have to be as heavy as imperial stouts or spirit barrel aged beers, although some are.

Stouts with coffee will most likely have more body than Guinness though.

>>11830305
Retard

>>11833292
Nobody gives half a shit about your homebrew, Cletus.

>>11835755
If you want a really good fucking beer with coffee that isn't heavy or even a stout, give goose islands fulton street ale a try. It's damn good.

>>11833966
This is my shit right here

For me it's this kino

>>11836712
I do.

t. Billy Bob

>>11832752
Guys,

California is a country. Roughly the size and GDP of Italy. Generalizing about it at all is very risky business.

>>11838581
>Italy: 1.93 trillion USD in 2017
>California: 2.7 trillion USD in 2017

Lol no, it's the 5th largest in the world at the moment. It's insane.

>>11832625
Is that Nugget?

>>11838656
Yes.

>>11838658
Nice.
I almost always grab one of their sandwiches or pizzas when I'm there to buy beer. Great stuff.

>>11837060
I'm a different anon but yes everyone please care about home brew. I'm just getting into it lately and feel like I understand and appreciate beer so much more because of it. It is not unlike going from being a passive eater of whatever's there to an active and creative cook.

>>11838664
Yeah, they're like 5 minutes out of the way compared to my usual grocery store but are probably my favorite in the area. Prepared food is kind of expensive but the only place I'll bother to buy it from.

>>11831062
I literally love when completely out of touch unobservant people make grand sweeping claims about old trends and still try to make it seem like they’re ahead of the curve

>>11825987
>non-barrel aged Imperial stout under 10%
No thanks, enjoy your malt water.

>>11831062
next fad beer is sour beers.
Not real lambics and gueuze mind you, but kettle sour, gose and berliner weisse.

Cant be too complex.

What brewery do you guys reckon has the best labels? I'm a fan of 'less is more' in terms of label design.

I really love Finback myself.

>>11840066
Easily omnipollo

>>11840069
Yeah I'm also a massive fan.

I really like Mikkeller as well. Their labels are a bit more cluttered but I feel they have quite an original concept.

>>11840053
>TFW you'll always be able to enjoy a good lambic or geuze
Thank god I'm from Belgium

Also Bell's Two Hearted Ale is an underrated classic.

>>11840080
I hate to be yet another person that's beating the American drum, but I think American wild ales have more diversity than Lambic.

>>11840083
This is what I drink when I don’t know what to drink. Really has a special place in my heart.

>>11832863
It's a matter of grocery stores putting things on the shelf that actually sell and can be consistently stocked. Sorry but your average shopper doesnt want a double dry hopped IPA or imperial stout. Most people want an inoffensive lager or ale

>>11840087
I find that there is a place for both! Classic belgian lambics, gueuze and krieks are very traditional, but still very complex. But you usually know what you're getting into, so I usually pair it with food and use it in cooking.

American (and in general non-belgian) wild ales / sours are usually more experimental and diverse, adding everything you can think of to the fermentation. Its apple and oranges for me, but I find myself re-buying high quality belgian lambics more often than I do american wild ales.

I also really enjoy the blending process, making each batch of the same beer often wildly different. For example my favorite lambic is 3 fonteinen Armand & Gaston, which differs based on what year batches are blended, while most wild ales are pretty one note once you've had one. Doesnt mean its worse or better, but its two different styles.

>>11840126
Oh I didn't meant that one should replace the other. Due to the diversity of local yeast cultures there's no reason to drink one or the other. It's just that the US is a much bigger country and you'd expect the diversity of culture to be higher.

>>11825987
there is a natural evolution of the palate when it comes to beer.

typically people start with light beer when underaged and in college. it's cheap and gets you drunk. natty lite, keystone, etc.

then you're introduced to hoppy beer. much more flavor, often inconsistent because of freshness because you buy at the supermarket or liquor stores that store beer warm and/or sell old beer. stuff like lagunitas ipa, sierra nevada.

then you transition to darker beers that have better shelf stability because they're new and are more reliably tasty. reds, browns, stouts, porters.

after a while you realize hoppy beer is dependent on freshness and you go back to IPA/pale ales. this time you drink locally, often from the source. you know that if it's brewed nearby it's likely fresher. fresh hoppy beer = better, pretty much always.

eventually you discover barrel aged beers. bourbon barrel aged strong ales (barleywine, RIS, quad), and sourts (fruited first, then funky). these are regarded as the pinnacle of beer.

finally you realize that well-made, fresh lager is the most satisfying. you will drink hoppy beer often and the barrel aged stuff every once in a while (it becomes cost prohibitive, and is mood dependent).

usually folks transition to spirits or some other type of liquor around this point.

you can see how far along a person is in their beer journey using this quick guide. often people don't care to advance, or get stuck on some of these steps because they are stubborn or don't have access to good variety/fresh beer.

>>11840153
Pretty spot on. I recently discovered a love for gin and maybe keep a four pack of a local wheat in my fridge. My beer spending has dropped off significantly, but I still love going to breweries. At home I'd just rather have a gin and tonic or whiskey sour

>>11840153
>tfw started with fresh local IPAs and sours, bypassing the first four phases
Stouts are still garbage though

>>11840102
>your average shopper
Mexicans. You mean your average Mexican.

>>11840195
No your average shopper. Whites drink up boring lagers just as much, if not more, than Mexicans m80. Blacks and asians love Heineken. Lagers still dominate sales

>>11840153
Pretty accurate!
I've been crazy for massive barrel aged stouts for a while now, especially whiskey, bourbon and rum barrels, so I've been trying to get into whiskey and bourbon, but its going slow.

>>11840189
tfti

>>11840066

>>11840066
>>11840069
>>11840077
Nogne O is pretty aesthetic

>>11840189
YOU'RE still garbage though!

>>11840260
Just in case the reference is lost on you Zoomers

>>11840266
I still prefer their old labels

>>11833966
I like stouts but never got the appeal of this one, it's just too syrupy and sweet. The first couple sips are great but I never want to finish it.

>>11840260
Only really works if it's a solid fallback beer.

>>11840266
Find them a bit boring desu.

>>11840053
>Berliner Weiße being any less complex than a Geuze

>>11840663
If one uses a complex yeast culture sure, but most don't.

>>11840066
I know this is hypebeast UK beer, but pic related.

>>11840725
>Make Apple Pie Great Again

>>11840153
so true... i still love my sours, stouts and BA stuff... but i'm happiest when i'm in a beer gareden drinking kellerbier out of a mug.
Pic Related

>>11840851
Simple styles are also the best way to check out a new place. Keep a few styles in mind that leave little room for error. Always order one of them first to see if their brewers are up to snuff. If none are available, then they lack faith in their own abilities; and you shouldn't trust them either.

>>11840968
>If none are available, then they lack faith in their own abilities; and you shouldn't trust them either.
So Lambic producers lack faith in their own abilities because they don't make an APA or a Pilsner?

>>11840968
>Let's make a bunch of Dad beers that won't sell just to placate autistic brewery snobs when our core customers really just want hazy IPAs and stouts

>>11840968
No, lambic producers and other mono-stylists have to be evaluated the hard way, by trying everything.
>>11841049
>nothing but Hazy IPAs and stouts
What a boring place. They're well rid of me; and I'm well rid of them.

Tried this from Speciation after someone recommended them in a /beer/ thread a few weeks ago. Really good, but at $20 a pint, not something I'll drink too often.

>>11841049
If a brewery doesnt have a solid base of casual drinking beers, I wont go to it. I like ipas and big stouts, but sometimes I want to down a few easy drinking, fresh pils without my ruining my tastebuds

>>11826104
thanks anon, I slammed my ham to this epic story

>>11841149
>What a boring place
good luck with the future

>>11826007
Alcoholics drink vodka.

>>11826146
The only state I know of that measures ABW is Utah, which actually makes their 3.2% better than Oklahoma's. I think 7% is a bit high for an average ABV, but it's around the average of what I drink. I don't think 8% in the Old Rasputin is too high, I just don't like it when beers get too sweet like many of those 15-20% brews that are just trying to one up each other.

>>11842309
most craft beer drinkers, especially those who go to tap rooms regularly pretty much feel the opposite. If i wanted a light easy drinking beer I would go to a dive bar or something cheap, or just anywhere for that matter. If I am going specifically to a brewery tap room I want something full flavored, especially something new and interesting, I am probably not going to the tap room to try your flagship beer I can get at every grocery store

>>11826007
That isn't alcoholic, I'm drinking fucking keystone ice, and I just cracked #7 (when I know better), that's alcoholic.

>>11842309
>If a steakhouse doesn't offer meatloaf and spaghetti w/ meatballs I won't eat there
Craft beer has reached a point where specialty breweries can and do thrive without adhering to the standards of antiquity.

>>11842739
Staying on topic, the strangest beer style I have interest in lately is a sour Gose. Particularly with prickly pear, lemons, just really sour, dry, acrid. I have drank loads of beer but I appreciate a really 'different' beverage. I think the one I last had was called lemon cream donut, along those lines.

>>11842757
Are you into sour IPA? This motherfucker was amazing. Tangy fruit juice with almost zero beer taste. Crazy.

>>11829826
completely and entirely based bad bait prohibition poster

anyone else had this? one of my favorites

>>11826007
all wrong alcoholics drink anything

>>11842713
Most craft beer drinkers are also retarded

>>11842741
False equivalence. Showing consistency and the ability to make simple, but quality brews is just as important as showing off unique small batch abilities

>>11840725

The few cloudwater I've tried were really nice

>>11843670
Except when your customer doesn't give half a fuck about "simple" styles and only comes to your brewery to drink the fire haze and barrel aged stouts that you do better than anyone else in the region. There's a reason why most of today's top tier craft breweries don't produce a core pils or lager and only bring these out once or twice per year. They just don't sell and they're not what craft customers want to see. Nobody's losing their mind and driving hundreds of miles to cop a Great Notion pils, and the brewery knows this.
Places that do what you say and produce beer for casuals are not catering to their core audience, but the guy who gets dragged along to the brewery with his IPA loving buddies. See pic related.

>>11826104
Can confirm stout gives life ruining hangover. It's so delicious though

>>11826007
As a Belgian this is like a joke to me

>>11844020
Literal communist beer

>>11825987
Just stopped by to say that this is my go-to beer year round. Fucking love it. Such a great, balanced stout. I bought a pack for my GF's dad and it became his new favorite too and we shared a 4 pack of it last night. Good shit.

>>11844644
???

>>11844542
Nowhere near as bad as cheap sparkling wine.

>>11844912
https://www.instagram.com/p/BrQuCVhF6PP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Take note of the link to @sunrisemvt
Modern Times think you should be a socialist like they are themselves. Worse, they think that making a decent beer entitles them to push their politics on you.

>>11844945
>worrying about climate change makes you a socialist
This is your brain on Drumph.

>>11844945
>Green New Deal
Am I the only one sickened at the attempt to invoke FDR as if he didn't sell the entire population of this country into debt slavery?

On topic:
>>11844542
Probably because it's got intense amount of sugars relative to other beers. I get similar hangovers from sweet wines and mixed drinks.

>>11844912
>>11844945
http://sdcitybeat.com/food-drink/the-beerdist/beer-and-politics-don’t-always-mix/
They're also pro migrant.
>>11844962
>not reading the actual content and understanding what a Green New Deal would be
It's literally socialism.

>>11844970
>It's literally socialism
Jesus you're just as bad as undergrads who point to Scandinavia as a socialist utopia.

>>11844945
Oh no they're supporting a new idea

>>11845026
>Socialism
>New
Please Shlomo

>>11845039
Its new to the US, and like everything else we touch I'm sure we will perfect it in no time if we choose to

>>11829116
very strong and good flavor, but I must eat something over it or it gets too bitter
too bad here a 33cl is priced 2yuros

>>11834052
Don't know much Spanish

>>11826055
>Its like a guinness that actually tastes good
really nigga?

>>11846511
Guinness is the Bud Light of stouts.

It's back! Going to pick up a six-pack after work.

Lost many weekends to this.

>>11840066
Hudson Valley labels are fucking incredible. To Ol is a close second.

>>11842817
Wow, this is the first time I've seen someone else post a hudson valley, and I just posted this >>11848270. If you can get your hands on an Apotheosis, thats one of my favorite of theirs. Fucking almond sour IPA, its incredible.

First time this has been distro'd to my region. Gonna crack one next week at a gueuze share. I just can't get enough of these Belgians. Once the gueuze and lambics sink their teeth into you, they never let go.

>>11848276
I was given this one by a friend and have a trade pending for some of this weekend's release. Hudson Valley do Sour IPA as well as anyone I've seen and I'm excited to get and more in the mail (I live in LA and trade for these).

St.pauli girl master race

>>11847521
>we brewed this especially bitter ale
Because you dont know how to do anything else, you overhopping faggots

>>11840066
All the replies are definitely top tier, but I really like Burial's labels. All of their labels just scream "death metal".

>drinking all this piss instead of bud light
Didn't the Bud Light commercials BTFO you hard enough?

>>11848582
What channel even shows Bud Light Commercials? Fox News and football?

What does dark beer taste like? It looks so good but I bet its bitter. Any recs for a 21 y/o retard?

>>11848635
>dark beer
That's a huge category with a lot of variance. I'll describe a few styles.
>russian imperial stouts
The biggest difference is that you'll get a lot more roasty flavors. Think black coffees, dark chocolate, an almost "burnt" flavor. Once you get past that, there's some incredible malt complexity to be had. They do tend to be more heavily hopped (so you'll probably see IBUs in the 60-90 range) than lighter styles, but that's really only to balance out the insane amount of residual sugars that end up floating around in the glass. The style holds up very well to adjuncts and barrel aging, so a lot of American brewers heavily experiment with it. Good starter stouts: Bell's Expedition Stout, Founders Breakfast Stout, SN Narwhal
>Belgian quadrupel
Probably the apex of non-sour Belgian brewing. Some of the most complex and interesting beers are found in this style. Lots of dark fruit, yeast esters, spices, and very well hidden alcohol. Hop presence is generally lite and for balancing purposes only: the yeast and malt are the star of the show here. Plenty of top-tier quads are readily available in the states. Thank the Catholics. Good quads: Rochefort 10, St. Bernardus Abt. 12, Weyerbacher Blasphemy (barrel aged but god-tier if you can find it)
>doppelbock
By far the best of the German lagers. Thick, heavy malt, almost syrupy, yet still has that "clean" lager characteristic. Very bready, sweet, and boozy. Probably the most beginner friendly out of the styles here. Good ones to try are Ayinger, Aventinus, and Troegenator.

There's a lot more, and its a wonderful rabbit hole to go into. Explore!

>>11848688
Their is nothing ris about breakfast stout. It is an imperial by means of an amped up recipe, not an ris which has a flavor profile associated with it.

>>11848861
I threw breakfast stout in their for two reasons. A, it's reasonably tasty and easy to get your hands on no matter where you are in the country. B, it highlights how a lot of brewers like to play with adjuncts in their stouts. C, I'm halfway through a four pack of DIPA and fuck your autism, negro.

based beer from the land of the tabarnak

>>11848688
Bread in a bottle sounds dank. Might try me one of those doppelbocks.

>>11848554
If you notice (and I can only tell because I drink them exclusively) all of their beers seem to have "patented lagunitas flavor". Really jumps out with their Sakitumi. They're practically a macrobrew at this point.

>>11848906
Their beer is excellent but giving money to those pretentious fucks kills me a little bit more each time

The label caught my eye and I really enjoyed it. I've liked every beers from that company so far.

>>11825987
Got a bottle of that waiting for me.

Also my boss called me Rasputin with glasses. I made the pose. Then we bonded over beer.

How many of these can I drink today?

>>11850207
Past 4 you probably won't be sober enough and have a clean palate to appreciate them properly

>>11828221
Sour Monkey by Victory brewing (I think?) is the best sour I've tried so far. I drink it with a squirt of lime juice, fuggen GOAT. idk how far from PA they distribute though.

>>11826007
t. subhuman amerimutt

>>11850725
what? Low ABV beers are super popular in Europe, England is perhaps the worst at that

>>11850725
What are you, a Belgian? Most of Europe drinks 5% abv beer, same as Budweiser.

>>11850776
>>11850749
americans can't drink (probably because they are not white lol) and therefore would call people who drink high abv beers alcoholics because they're subhuman mutts with a fucked up retarded british puritanical strain

>>11850802
um, what?

>>11850802
Oh, you're just being a faggot, not trying to contribute to the conversation. That's fine.

>>11850802
more Americans are descended from Germans than from British

>>11850808
stay mad mutty

>>11850814
Self reported

where does gulden draak rank for you?

>>11851761
very good

>>11851761
too fucking expensive for what its worth

>>11851784
fucking poorfags

>>11850291
Fucking how? Sour Monkey is bottom tier when it comes to sours.

Moved to Scotland and this is wonderful

Posted this in another thread, but holy fuck this stout is incredible

>>11853039
hello stoutfriend

>>11833966
>Drinking beer because it has a picture of baby on it
That's what babies do. You like drinking your baby beer big baby?

>>11853057
based retarded poster

>>11832836
>Alvarado Street
As in the brewery in monterey?

>>11832966
Good taste.

>>11834017
Red beer is best beer. So refreshing.

>>11828269
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i miss speedway

>>11840266
>50% pale ales.

No thank you

>>11853338
Yup. Those guys never miss.

>>11854482
>5/13
>%50
Anon, I...

>>11826007
Actual alcoholics buy cheap lager. 1 bottle of Old Rasputin or even KBS is basically equal to a 6 pack of Bud Light.

>>11840053
I'm in Toronto and sour beers with added shit are definitely becoming the biggest fad here along with general flavored ales. I personally like Flanders red ales but not a lot of breweries here do that style. Recently I see a lot more "session sours" which have shockingly low ABVs, one of them was 2.4%, which are mostly drunk by women and soibois.

>>11854577
I'd much rather drink two 10% triple IPA pints than a six pack of metallic corn water. That's how I know I'm not an alcoholic.
>>11853590
Chelada isn't a red beer, it's a pilsner or other light beer with added lime and chili sauce that turns it red. Actual red beers themselves suck though. They taste like bitter pennies.

>>11840153
Funny enough I went opposite and got into beer from drinking bourbon and scotch.
I will say though that all beer aged in peated whisky barrels (such as the Highland Park aged Ola Dubh) are 99% of the time crap as are most smoked beer as they really are only for pairing with smoked meats.

>>11854595
For sure, although I find that a form of alcoholism definitely comes if you start to crave booze obsessively which is why I find it's good to take a few months every year to abstain and clean yourself out before trying some good ass beer or going to a beerfest.

>>11836760
This shit instead of Guiness for an Irish Car-bomb?
Its retarded good

>>11849496
Breweries of all sizes can and do have house flavors.

>>11842934
Why is Ommegang so inconsistent? They're either great or they're shit.

>>11825987
Been drinking this a lot lately. Silver City is my goto brewer, their Ridgetop Red Ale is probably my favorite beer in general.

>>11844970
>a brewery headquartered in San Diego expressed pro-migrant opinions
You don't fucking say?

>>11844970
reminder that being anti-immigration is actually a big government leftist stance

who else /nooffswitch/?

>>11856388
Border defence is a legitimate function of government as outlined by the United States constitution.

>>11856847
sure, but defining that defence in totalitarian way is very leftist. Capitalist countries welcome people and use them in the economy, especially in a country as sparsely populated and full of space as the US

Just finished this bottle, very satisfying on a snowy Sunday.

>>11857009
Where ya from?

where do i go from here

>>11857378