/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Oh and before you ask, Im gay btw

OP is gay if that matters

i had one too
it's also called explosive diarrhea stomach flu

Why did you kill a thread for a water fast that was only 4.4 days long?

damn nigga you're eating dinner when the moon is in the sky?
shit dog hope you're at least snacking after lunch dog HAHA holy shit

>>11777008
Wasn't me, didn't know there was one

>>11777004
I haven't taken a dump since Tuesday.

>>11776981
>4 days
why are you such a pussy?

>>11777057
I will be doing keto over the next 9 days and then will follow it up with another 100+ hour water fast. Plan on doing this until June or when I lose another 20 lbs.

>>11777084
>keto
retarded confirmed
>100hr water fast
pussy confirmed

>>11777084
Horrible idea. You absolutely need all the electrolytes possible during keto. Just fucking eat less for christ sake

>>11777104
What do electrolytes have to do with keto?

>>11777057
>>11777008
Reminder that prolonged fasting is extremely bad for your heart. Reminder that the most common cause of death in anorexics is heart failure.

>>11777179
>anorexia
>fasting
were you dropped on your head as a child, or are you just naturally retarded?

>>11777198
They are comparable. Please do not be stupid. Please do not fall for meme diets.
https://nypost.com/2017/12/18/is-this-the-most-dangerous-diet-ever/

>>11777135
You’re getting significantly less amounts on keto

>>11776981
What's the advantage to doing this?

>>11777198
>different mental illness
>same practical results

>>11777179
I don't know about that one chief. Most fasting doesn't last more than 72 hours. Anorexics make a lifestyle out of it.

>>11777216
they are not remotely comparable. anorexia destroys your metabolism, fasting does not unless you are fasting with less than about 4% body fat, in which case you are fasting because you are anorexic.

>>11777219
are you confusing electrolytes with carbs? nothing about keto restricts electrolytes.

>>11777250
>what does the word prolonged mean

>>11777219
No you don't. How are carbs the only source of electrolytes? If you do keto right you still eat plenty of leafy vegetables, avocados, nuts, fatty fish, cheese, and other things that all together provide you with enough electrolytes. I've been doing keto for a few years on and off now and have never had trouble with electrolyte deficiency.

If you're worried it's alright to take supplements as well. Even people on healthy diets should take supplements to ensure they always get the right amount of vitamins and minerals in their body.

>>11777236
Read up on autophagy and fasting. Also it's a good way to lose weight for the obese, or even those who want to lose smaller amounts as long as they don't fast for too long. Good for diabetics, improves insulin resistance. I think prolonged fasting should only really be done for people who are obese and want to lose weight, however short-term fasting can be beneficial for everyone.

>>11777255
It's a simple fact that not eating for more than 1 or 2 days is bad for your heart. Nothing you said is relevant.

>>11777240
lol. anorexia is a mental illness for sure, and anorexics sometimes express their illness through fasting. equating the two is a category error that should ashame your teachers, its right up there with trains on time = fascism.

>>11777265
I've done water fasts of 6 months duration, muscle tone was fine, heart was fine. so 6 months must not be "prolonged".
then there's this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/
so apparently 382 days doesnt qualify as "prolonged" either. how long do anorexics do it?

>>11777270
your stupidity knows no bounds. you must be a vegan.

>>11777216
>https://nypost.com/2017/12/18/is-this-the-most-dangerous-diet-ever/
if you are fat fasting is not an issue.
"Their body feeds on their heart,” says Labiner
if my body goes after my heart for energy first instead of the fat that is literally stored energy and made for this then I deserve to die.

>>11777295
How much did you weigh starting and at the end?

6 months is excessive. You'd have to have a high amount of stored fat to survive that.

I can't fast to save my fucking life, once I hit 14 hours without eating I get moody, get a headache and feel like shit in general. I'm not even fat I go to the gym and have visible abs, but I can't not eat

>>11777313
this. if you have any body fat at all then your body burns that instead of muscle. muscle is the last thing to be used as fuel, otherwise humans wouldn't have survived the first drought.

>>11777324
>6 months is excessive
based on what, that he apparently survived just fine? did you not read the link posted earlier in this thread about the guy that fasted over a year under medical supervision with no ill health impact?

>>11777344
Well yes, it's not unsurvivable. But you need large fat stores on your body to survive it. This is why I asked for the starting and final weight of the person. Someone who's only about 20lbs overweight for example would probably not survive a fast for 6 months. The person who fasted for a year weighed in at 456lbs initially, that's beyond morbidly obese.

>>11777179
I agree that people should be careful and ideally work with a doctor when doing a prolonged fast. But keep in mind that to be diagnosed with anorexia, the individual's BMI must already be in the underweight range. Fasting alone isn't what causes heart failure in anorexics. It's fasting when you are already malnourished, weak, and underweight to begin with. If you ease yourself into a fast and have no existing health issues, you should be fine.

>>11777295
That guy without a doubt damaged his heart. If the study followed his whole (short) life people wouldn't be so quick to cite it all the time, as though this 1 time incident is at all scientific.

>>11777313
>>11777339
That article is just scare tactics. If you read Dr. Fung's books or articles he has done research into this.

https://idmprogram.com/does-fasting-burn-muscle/

>>11777336
all my asian buddies are like this. if they dont eat at least twice a day, they act like its the end of the world yet they are all skinny. I can forget to eat all day and not notice until im ready for bed that I didnt eat anything, yet im about 20 lbs overweight. "its muh genetics" meme is somewhat correct as much as I hate saying that.

What's the difference between a normal fast and a water fast? Are you not supposed to drink water during fasting and die in three days? Or does water fasting involve drinking a certain amount of water?

>>11777391
I think the term "water fast" is just to remind idiots who want to try it to not kill themselves by forgetting water is important.

>>11777381
Supposedly, if you go down beyond a certain body fat percentage and keep that for a while your body will have a harder time storing fat and you stay skinny forever as long as you don't gorge yourself on food. It's something to do with with leptin.

>>11777391
There are different types of fasts out there. Water fasting just means that you only drink water, and don't consume anything else (except maybe some supplements).

There are for example juice fasts, where people drink fresh vegetable/fruit juices but don't eat anything. There's broth fasting, where people drink bone broth but don't consume any solids. (Bone broth contains fat, gelatin and usually a lot of sodium)

There's also intermittent fasting which means you eat one or two meals a day in a short period of time and don't eat anything else for the rest of the day.

>>11777370
>It's fasting when you are already malnourished, weak, and underweight to begin with
Then it isn't fasting, but starving.

>>11777372
they did followups on him for years. he was fine.

>>11777179
I like to save images of the girls men post on 4chan to remind myself that i will never be beautiful and no man will ever love me.
i am biologically female.

>>11777262
>>11777269
By restricting carbs you are restricting the total amount electrolytes. Period. Obviously you can get the ample amount but when you’re already restricting yourself, especially for newbies that just look at macros for keto, they’re far more likely to restrict it.

>>11777368
so your point is that fasting is bad for you because if you fast to the point where you are starving your self to death, that damages your heart?
bold statement, ferris. you've really hit on a startling discovery there, check your mail for that nobel prize.

>>11777529
time to come clean anon - you don't actually know what electrolytes are, do you?

>>11777540
Great argument as usual on /ck/
Try bullet fasting next

>>11777391
there are lots of different types of things called "fasting".
a dry fast is no food no water.
water fast means water is allowed.
juice fasting allows fruit and vegetable juice. not fasting in any meaningful sense, but "detox" centers push this to their more credulous clientele.
etc.

>>11777559
soooo.... that's a "no" then? you don't know what electrolytes are?

>>11777572
Would you like a lesson? Because you’re clearly struggling here.

>>11777529

>>11777586
Oh another special Ed....

>>11777536
Are you trolling or insane? I never said anything about heart damage. If you're not overweight by much and you do a 6 month water fast you will likely die because your body doesn't have the fat to consume for energy. It will then consume your lean protein(muscle) which does include the heart but that's not even the point.

>>11777594
>reeeee stop pointing how how retarded I am
still waiting on that explanation for how electrolytes come from carbs, anon...

>>11777598
did you forget your special pills today?
>>11777179

>>11777617
The guy who fasted for 12 months went from 456 to 180lbs. He lost around 23lbs a month. If you go 6 months and you only have 20lbs of fat on you then in 6 months you'll be dead.

This doesn't mean you shouldn't do shorter fasts to get your fat levels down a little.

>>11776981

nigga i've done 43 days, 24 days and 16 day fasts and regularly do 3-7 day fasts.

do you think a 105 hour fast is impressive?

>>11777643
Is fasting a competition?

Dry fasting is the ultimate pill

No food or water.

>>11777295
I am a believer of fasting but fat fucks have actually died from 3 week fasts. They probably had serious health problems anyways, but there are risks however small they may be.

Fasting is ultimate redpill desu

>>11777643
You must have been extremely fat. After a 4 day fast I am super ripped and have to be careful to make sure to get enough salt or my heart palpitates

>>11777637
the answer to that is not be mentally ill and starve yourself to death.

>>11777723
you must be new around here

>>11777736
fat fucks have died without fasting too -- fat fucks are prone to dying, its one of the features of being fat.

>>11777743
"super ripped"

pics >:3

>>11777611
I didn’t say that though, special Ed. Are you okay?

>>11777919
>th...th...that wasn't me really
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>11777723
we call it running. it's in the olympics

>>11777295
How fucking fat were you to be able to fast that long without dying? It doesn't matter if you lose the weight, I have zero respect for you lmao

>>11777971
You have zero respect for him because he was fat? even though he mostly likely isn't anymore and took a shit ton of willpower to fast that long?

>>11776981
I don't think 105 hours is very fast for water. I've seen water go way faster than that.

>>11778425
once you get past the 2nd day its easy you just aren't hungry at all. not even the smell of food makes you hungry. so why should anybody be impressed because fat fuck let himself go far enough that he could stand to lose a hundred pounds of lard. fuck you faggots and your unhealthy meme diets, I'm going back to /fit/.

>>11778441
see ya there
I'll be in the thread dedicated to fasting

>>11778462
>he doesn't know about filters

Buy some protein powder and have a scoop a day and add a source of potassium too.

>>11777013
when i did a 5 day water fast the best thing was the lack of shits. i never realized how much of my life i spent sitting on the toilet and shitposting on 4chan

>>11777777

>>11776987
faggot

>>11777313
>DUDE IF U DONT EAT FOR 24 HOURS UR STOMACH STARTS EATING ITSELF AND ALL UR MUSCLES DISINTEGRATE
Gotta love brainlets. And no, this is not a strawman. I've seen plenty of retards in real life actually believe exactly what I greentexted above. It's like they are unable to comprehend what humans did before cattle, agriculture and industrialization.

>>11777637
Holy shit dude you're actually insanely stupid, I'm legitimately shocked. Do you really think anybody under/average weight here will just decide to fast for 6 months and continue after adverse symptoms?
>hey guys I am 120 pounds today I will decide to fast for 6 months
>I have 0% body fat, I wonder where my body will get energy from
>FUCK MY BODY IS FAILING ME, TOO BAD I CANT STOP NOW, I ALREADY DECIDED TO FAST FOR 6 MONTHS
>FUCK I CANT STOP FASTING!!!
>AHHHHH!! AHHHH! IT FUCKING HURTS! I WISH I NEVER MADE THE DECISION TO FAST FOR 6 MONTHS
>I'M DYING!!!! WHY DID I MAKE THIS DECISION 6 MONTHS AGO
Can you actually not comprehend that people are capable of stopping a fast at any time? If this is a troll, good job. It is believable because many people actually believe really stupid shit about fasting (ie. YOUR STOMACH WILL EAT ITSELF AND YOULL DIE IF YOU DON'T EAT FOR 3 DAYS)

Most the people here fast for like 3 days max at a time, at most barely over a week.

>>11776981
>105
You are like tiny baby. Currently on 312 hour water fast and still going.

>>11777727
No thanks Ahmed. Nobody gives a fuck about ramadan.

>>11780313
why do people lie all the time about fasting? post your neck. on a prolonged water fast your neck muscles and veins will be popping out. or better yet post the top of your foot.
t.dietitian

>>11780382
Why would I lie? I've done a 24 day fast before. 13 days isn't really all that difficult on snake juice.

I hope a lot of people die because of retarded fake science and fad diets.

>>11780394
>Why would I lie?
Because all of you spergs on here lie about fasting times. Post neck and or top of foot timestamped

>>11780408
My neck veins are not distended and my foot looks weird in the photo. I do not want to post it. You can choose to believe me or not. Check out /fast/ on /fit/ if you doubt how long we are fasting. I've been updating my status nearly every day for the past two weeks. Either I really am fasting or have been building up this "lie" for half a month to bamboozle some random person in a /ck/ thread.

>>11780412
I have been in the /fit/ fasting threads which is exactly why I don't believe you spergs until you post pics. I get paid to safely put people on specific diets, fasting being one of them and I know what to look for. In almost all med courses for dietitians I was taught to look at the top of the foot and the neck. Just post a pic of your foot. I promise I have seen a lot worse than anything you will post.

>>11778441
>comes to /ck/ to read /fit/ related threads

You cant squat away your autism friend

>>11780382
I want to repeat I'm a dietitian by the way I'm gay if that matters

>>11780427
You better not be jerking off to this.

https://imgur.com/a/BmtDmvB

>>11780438
Holy shit, thanks dude! I'm a gay dietician foot fetishitian if that matters, this should keep me good for a day.

>>11780438
From the looks of it fasting is the least of your issues. Your yellow toe-nail is a sign of a problem with your liver. Unless you have diabetes which the toe nail could be a side effect of, but if you have diabetes you definitely should not be fasting. You should get checked out anon

>>11777381
>"its muh genetics" meme is somewhat correct as much as I hate saying that.
Read something recently, I think it was from an ancient Roman in contact with German tribes and documenting them, but he said they were more likely to not be bothered by hunger than other people.

I'm kind of the same way as you though, I do get pretty hungry sometimes but I can also easily go 24+ hours without eating.

>>11780511
>tries to appear intelligent but appears like an eveb bigger retard as a result
You've never seen jaundice in your life. Stop LARPing as a medical professional just because you majored in diet in community college, fatty.

>>11780581
>But if something's wrong and your liver can't keep up, bilirubin builds up and can cause your skin to look yellow.
How about you look up the definition of Jaundice? It's exactly like I said. Yellow toe nails are a sign of liver problems.

>>11777516
i love you femanon <3

>>11777578
not him but you sound like a fag no offense

>>11777777

>>11780118
sorry just wanted to find the new triple dubs

>>11776981
Did you supplement electrolytes at all? I tried water fasting years ago and got really weak and dehydrated. /fit/ told me you should supplement electrolytes if you fast for over 48-72 hours.

>>11780754

do this on any extended water fast and take a multivitamin too.

some vitamins are fat soluble (which you'll get when fat breaks down) and some are water soluble (you need to supplement these).

Also electrolytes are essential for nerve/cardiac function, when you hear about people 'starving' to death, their cause of death is usually heart failure due to sodium/potassium depletion.

>>11779834
You're lucky you stopped at 5 days. Another day and the shots would have hit you as all your intestinal bacteria died.

>>11780511
>I'm a dietitian
>if you have diabetes you definitely should not be fasting.
Oh I believe you. Thats just the sort of retarded shit that a dietitian would say with a straight face. Fasting will reverse type 2 diabetes btw.
https://www.ncl.ac.uk/media/wwwnclacuk/newcastlemagneticresonancecentre/files/banting-memorial-lecture.pdf

>>11776981
Why did you post this on a food and cooking board? You know, the antithesis of your current immediate diet.

>>11777727
>Dry fast
>Die horribly once body runs out of enough salt to contain the water

>>11776981
Plain water or water mixed with NaCl/KCl aka snake juice?

>>11780631
You're retarded as fuck and clearly have never worked with patient treatment. His toenail looks normal, even then a yellow toenail is a thousand times more likely to be a fungal infection than a liver problem.

>>11777295
>6 months
No.
My dad did a water fast for 80 days and almost died.
You did not do a 6 months water fast.

>>11782386
>EEERRRHHHGG EEERRRR my dad ran for 2 miles and almost died, there's no way you could run for 4 miles

>>11782386
>My dad (female)
ftfy

>>11777135
Electrolytes have some effects of synthesis of enzymes required in ketosis.
Which is why snake diet, a saltier water fast is a lot more popular. Helps avoid headaches too.

>>11777219
just drink saltwater (snakejuice)

>>11777219
Never heard of this. Which ones are missing on keto?

>>11780921
but thats good. you can fix your gut bacteria with fasting in a matter of weeks instead of a years.

>>11776981
>water fasting
Yeah i'm not falling for those american meme diet again.

How much weight did you lose?

>>11784178
Started at 172, got down to 162 on the day I started eating again. 2 days of eating later and I'm at 166. I'm hoping to lose around 3lbs a week actually. Will do water fasts every 2 weeks.

>>11784083
its a russian meme from the 50's that was crushed when kapatalism reared its head full and the fucnding was cut even with good results for all kinds of issues because it could not be sold.
watch the fasting documentary

>>11785406
Americans are deathly afraid of discomfort. They want a pill to fix all of their problems and don't want to change their lifestyle. They can't imagine going a day without eating, their day is already ruined and they throw a bitchfit if it's slightly too cold or if it rains for 10 minutes out of the day. It's also funny that if you go into a hospital, most people care more about the pain than they do about their longevity. I say this as a fellow American. It's disgusting to look at these people.

>>11776981
>I just went through malnutrition
I'm sure it will have positive effect on your health down the line

I just have one question for you fasting people? Doesnt irlt affect your disposition to carry on with your daily routines, work, school, etc? Dojt you feel tired or fatigued all the time when youre fasting? Can you workout or do other physical activities during the fasting period?

>>11785435
>they throw a bitchfit if it's slightly too cold or if it rains for 10 minutes out of the day.
I don't know where the fuck you live but around here (new England) weather is generally taken as "shit happens".
>They want a pill to fix all of their problems and don't want to change their lifestyle.
This I'll give you but I doubt that it is just America.

>>11785534
Not only that, it's bad for your health. I was fasting for like a week and my hair started to fall out at an accelerated rate. Don't do it anons, it's not a good idea. Just have a healthy diet

>>11785534
fat boi on day seven and yea first few days were hard at work but now its all dandy. one thing i will say is i savour the few sedentary moments i have during the day much more. as for disposition it has changed but not a hell of a lot

>>11785542

*citation needed

and a week seems a bit short for you to go through telogen effluvium, either way if your hair 'fell out' instead of regressing at the front, it means it'll grow back.

>I didn't eat for a while

Great, now go five days without water and kick your air addiction.

>>11777777

>>11776981
What was the first thing you wanted to eat afterwards?

>>11785608
>*citation needed
Not really, malnutrition is bad for you. I really don't need a citation for that one

>>11777516
Still easier for you to get married.

>>11785534
No. Your energy goes up substantially after you get into ketosis. If you're doing keto already then the first day you feel normal and by the second day you feel almost hyperactive. If you're starting fasting from a standard american style diet then there may be a low-energy transition period As your body switches from carbs to ketones and triglycerides, the more insulin resistant you are the tougher the transition. But on a fast you generally feel hyperactive. If you think about it, if skipping a few meals made us weak then this is an evolutionary disadvantage that would have reduced our ability to survive a missed antelope or drought, and would have been eliminated through natural selection. When fasting your body produces adrenaline and growth hormones, and the total amount of available energy in your bloodstream goes way up (2-3x non-fasting), because you still have a fair amount of glucose from gluconeogenesis, plus huge amounts of ketones and triglycerides to make use of that adrenaline. I had to take sleeping aids during my fast because I was so wired and energetic. But any antelope i saw would have been in mortal peril.

Fasting is for losing weight or for controlling a condition (or killing a tapeworm). There’s a thread called /fast/ on /fit/ if you want to ncouragement but you can fast for long periods of time if you’re over 10%ish body fat and take electrolyte supplements. There’s a mix called snake juice in the thread or just google it to find a recipe. Working out when you’re obese isn’t a good idea. Try losing the weight then getting fit.

>>11776981
why?

>>11785914
>Working out when you’re obese isn’t a good idea
pretty sure this is not true

>>11785914
It's also good for clearing out the nerve damage that eventually turns into alzheimers, killing cells that are in a pre-cancerous state before they start metastasizing, restoring insulin sensitivity and beta cell function thereby reversing type 2 diabetes. Fasting triggers a whole bunch of "spring cleaning" mechanisms that are suppressed when nutrition is abundant.
And if you have a tapeworm, fasting will kill it. Probably more important before the discovery of fire than it is today, but it is what it is.

>>11785914
So if im not overweight, I shouldnt do it? I wanted to try one just to see how my body would react.

>>11785918
Pretty sure it is. Exercise makes you hungry, which is fine if you are normal and healthy, but telling a low-self-control fatass to do something that will burn only a few hundred kcal but will also make it hungry is a recipe for disaster.

>>11786033
you can do one just be careful doing extended fasts

>>11786033
You shouldn't do it for very long if you're very lean, ca 5% body fat for men and about 13% for women. This is less than most athletes. Most people, even "healthy" people are pretty tubby tbqh and could easily stand not eating for a week or two. You lose about 1/2 to 2/3 of fat per day on a water fast if you're moderately active.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the ideal way to lose weight is a combo of cutting back on food portions and exercise, right? That's what I did, went from over 200 lbs to around 170. I still ate all the foods I wanted just not as much in one go.

>>11786084
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oby.21538
Follow-up study on contestants from the show "the biggest loser", from the same season for consistency (season 2 iirc), done 6 yearly later. Its pretty sobering reading, and resulted in a class action lawsuit against the shows producers and doctors, which caused the show to be cancelled despite its popularity. That combination of "eat less and move more" damaged their metabolisms badly and permanently. The producers and doctor knew this would happen ahead of time and included addictive controlled drugs in the contestants daily "vitamins" to keep this from affecting the contestants during filming..

>>11786084
That and I severely cut down on the soft drinks.