/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11762392
no but your IQ being above single digits is

>>11762392
no it works just fine it's just boring as fuck

>>11762398
>boring

>>11762398
>can eat steak and cold cuts daily.
>boring

Anon, I....

>>11762405
>eating meat

>>11762405
yeah eating the same limited things day in and day out while not being allowed to have 90% of the available food out there is boring actually

>>11762414
When I did keto I actually found I enjoyed those foods more. Fried eggs with cheese and spinach was my go to man, so good

>>11762392
That looks like willem defoes drag get up from boondock saints.

>>11762441
what now

>>11762414
>90% of available foods
You're a fatass. The only things you can't have on keto are shit for you anyway. Oh boo hoo, I have to eat meat and vegetables for every meal? Whatever will I do without my corn syrup infused refined starchy carbs (bread, rice, tortilla, pasta) and my refined corn syrup infused convenience treats (ice cream, soda, candy)??
Oh and I guess they recommend you avoid bananas because of their high starch content. Bananas was just the last straw, wasn't it? Fat fuck.

>>11762446
The face that looks like it was chiseled with a meat cleaver and tenderizer mallet.

>>11762392
it makes women look like men

Fatty here, lost 162 pounds so far. 8 pounds away from goal. Ive tried a ton of diets including keto.

From my experience, keto will lose fat at nearly the same rate as a traditional caloric deficit diet. However, keto undoubtedly makes you lose a shit ton of water weight. Also keto is effective at keeping you full, moreso than 6 meal a day traditional diet. However, keto is not magic. You still need to have a caloric deficit to lose fat.

My recommendation for losing fat is this: start with keto at a 25% caloric deficit. Keep on it until your weight loss stalls, this signals water weight loss has stopped. Then SLOWLY reincorporate carbs into your diet until you're back to eating a high protein, lowfat diet.

In my experience, this is the most effective weight loss plan. It also mimics the Atkins diet plan, which I only found out about until after I came to this conclusion.

>>11762562
>high protein, low fat, with carbs
Bad idea for most people. You're not a dietician and clearly, if you had 160+ lbs to lose, you're not a nutrition guru of any sort. Please keep your shit advice to yourself, fatty.

>>11762578
Maybe you have a different version of what lowfat means than me.

Also I actually am now enrolled in a masters program in Nutrition Education from FSU.

>>11762461
Lol you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.

>>11762628
Go on then, "educate" me. What foods are healthy for you that you can't eat on keto, besides sweet potatoes and bananas? What do you think you know that you think I don't know better?

>>11762626
Enrolled doesn't mean anything, come back when you have a couple years of passed classes under your belt. Of your macros - besides alcohol - the one that needs the most regulation is carbs, because of sugar. Fat and protein, when gleaned from healthy (whole food) sources, are both great macros with high satiety and essential micronutrients. There is no essential carb. If you're going to specify a high-anything low-anything diet, the most important place to start for health - NOT just weight, health is more than weight - is high fiber, low sugar.

>>11762726
Dude chill out with the paragraphs.

>>11762726
Fatty here, I agree with pretty much everything you say. Sugar isn't even worth mentioning though, since regardless of diet everyone should cut out all refined sucrose from their diets. Other sugars from natural sources like lactose are probably more tolerable though, and cause less of an insulin spike than refined white sugar.

Obviously there are no essential carbs, otherwise keto would be impossible. But frankly, our society makes avoiding carbs too difficult for most people. Eventually people will have some oatmeal or fruit. In my personal opinion that is fine, and the likely outcome for people going off keto.

>>11762392
It's Atkins 2.0.

>>11762562
>It also mimics the Atkins diet plan, which I only found out about until after I came to this conclusion.
Reminder that Atkins died of heart disease.

>it's another 4channelers argue passionately about how other people (that they'll never even meat) eat episode

isn't keto's main drawback how strict the diet is to avoid having it collapse and snapback on your body? for a lot of people who can't commit to it i imagine must have given up on keto and say "its bad its only a trend" and so on. am i right?

>>11762801
He died from a brain injury from slipping and falling on ice.

He did have heart issues, though his doctors say it was due to a viral infection.

>>11762784
>Other sugars from natural sources like lactose are probably more tolerable though, and cause less of an insulin spike than refined white sugar.

The problem with sugar is that it has no nutrition and no fiber.
A blood sugar spike is not necessarily bad for a healthy person. It will signal to the body that it is receiving sustenance and accelerate satiety as blood sugar and insulin rises.

Fat doesn't spike the blood sugar, and interferes with the absorption of carbs , so what happens is people eat way too much pizza before it starts to have an affect on them, Fat is like a high calorie sludge that sit sin the gut for a while before the body can break it down and absorb it. That is why people can eat an entire pizza themselves. The cheese suppresses the rise in blood sugar.

>>11762837
Generally most diets should be a lifelong thing and not a temporary period of time. So when you quit a diet you're going to rebound hard.

>>11762784
>Other sugars from natural sources like lactose are probably more tolerable though, and cause less of an insulin spike than refined white sugar.

The problem with sugar is that it has no nutrition and no fiber.
A blood sugar spike is not necessarily bad for a healthy person. It will signal to the body that it is receiving sustenance and accelerate satiety as blood sugar and insulin rises.

Fat doesn't spike the blood sugar, and interferes with the absorption of carbs , so what happens is people eat way too fatty food before it starts to have an affect on them. fatty food is like a high calorie sludge that sits in the gut for a while before the body can break it down and absorb it. That is why people can eat an entire pizza themselves. The cheese suppresses the rise in blood sugar.

>>11762859
You're incredibly wrong about everything you just wrote.

>>11762392
All diets are bullshit.

Gotta change how you live, otherwise you'll just balloon back.

Then again, young'n dont know discipline.

>>11762741
Nice lack of brainpower and reasonable input, dumb contrarian faggot.

>>11762784
There's nothing wrong with a sweet here and there, but it's the pattern of eating that is the biggest problem for most people. You don't have to completely avoid carbs, either; for most people even up to 50g carbs every day will keep them in a state of ketosis. You can eat up to 100g of carbs in a day and still be low carb. The average American is eating 350g or more of carbs in a day. A little oatmeal (~30g net carb per serving), some fruit, even some candy or cookies are all fine in moderation, but the key is strict moderation. I just avoid 90% of bread (burger no bun; sandwich no bread; burrito bowl instead of burrito, and hold the rice) and candy and do fine eating great meals of all kinds of veg, mushrooms, creamy sauces, meat and fish, egg, cheese, spices, even beans (~10-15g net carb per serving).

Society doesn't make avoiding carbs "too difficult." People's self-importance and obsession with instant gratification is what makes it "too difficult."

>>11762859
Fat here, I dont know much about fat interfering with the absorption of carbs. I definitely agree that high fat+high carbs are the worst combination though.

Pizza, candy, cakes, all have that composition and are definitely foods people gorge on.

>>11762870
faggot

>>11762801
>Contrary to popular belief, consuming a higher amount of fat (about 35 per cent of energy) is associated with a lower risk of death compared to lower intakes. However, a diet high in carbohydrates (of more than 60 per cent of energy) is related to higher mortality, although not with the risk of cardiovascular disease.
>The research on dietary fats found that they are not associated with major cardiovascular disease, but higher fat consumption was associated with lower mortality; this was seen for all major types of fats (saturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and mono unsaturated fats), with saturated fats being associated with lower stroke risk. The researchers point out that, while this may appear surprising to some, these new results are consistent with several observational studies and randomized controlled trials conducted in Western countries during the last two decades.
>The large new study, when viewed in the context of most previous studies, questions the conventional beliefs about dietary fats and clinical outcomes, says Mahshid Dehghan, the lead author for the study and an investigator at PHRI.
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170829091027.htm
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html

>>11762392
>>11762398

>>11762929
>>11762967
Why do the mods never do anything about this blatant spamming and ban evasion?

>>11762562
>Fatty here
>Ive tried a ton of diets

have you ever tried the diet of stop shoving so much god damn food in your fat mouth diet?

Jesus she looks like a dude now
>>11762984
If it's about alcohol or pork, then it will be.

>>11762859
This is some boomer tier pop science misinformation, holy shit.

>>11762392
Don't take a woman who's afraid of losing business seriously

>>11762398
Learn how to cook lad.
I started about 2 to 3 days ago and for me its quite interesting calorie counting and adjusting macros based on the dietry rules and trying to make delicious meals.
The range of vegetables with different flavours and textues and seeing interesting ways of making cheaty alternatives or just snacking on raw veggies and plain cheese all under budget and feeling full and happy is quite fun. The idea of using fat as fuel and consuming "healthy" fats from natural sources is a bit worrying but interesting of possible mind change that perhaps fats, especially saturates/cholestrol shouldn't be so threatening, but maybe it's just me because i just love food regardless of any diet.

>>11762392
Personally do not know since just starting, however i guess mostly anecdotal statements will be made. It is interesting listening about the sciences of how it perhaps is not bullshit but all can be said is trying it yourself and seeing it if it works for you.
I have pcos and due to it i had acne and hairloss, i also hit the obese mark when i began exercising and calorie counting and i get regular periods now and my hair falls less, no longer obese and dropped two dress sizes, however i'm planning now to do ketosis hoping it would help balance insulin and i do not exercise anymore since cant afford for a membership. Ideally the protein and fats would help with my hair and perhaps skin too while dropping weight cal counting and not craving glucose which within reason does not benefit me. This will also help me gain some skills in making good meat and vegetable recipes.

NO! YOUR INSULIN RISING A MILLION TIMES A DAY IS NOT HEALTHY! JILLIAN IS A FRAUD!

>>11763087
Then a ketogenic diet isn’t the diet either unless you’re making it all fat. Protein raises insulin higher than almost anything else. It’s like junior armchair broscientists shouldnt be talking out of their ass!

>>11762461

>>11763104
KETO IS MODERATE PROTEIN TO AVOID THE HIGH INSULIN SPIKE. YOU ONLY NEED TO EAT ONCE EVERY OTHER DAY IF THAT. STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY LOW FAT DONUTS FATTY!

>>11763151
>moderate
Oh the 70 IQ broscientist buzzword. You can’t define it and you don’t even know how insulin or insulin resistance even works. It’s why you’re so fat, bread scares you into eating lard lettuce sandwiches

>>11763104
>protein raises insulin more than refined sugar

Proofs?

>>11763194
I didn’t say that

>>11762392
No, but people who are eating bacon for every meal are probably gonna die fortunately

All the keto cucks seething at Jillian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYOa4z6CiP0&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGHY5zDteVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3uvSzAxOrE&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAQi81SLtbo

>>11762392
You can get the same results with just caloric restriction and sane macros but Keto will help immensely with cravings because your blood sugar is going to be stable throughout.
It sucks that you are constantly low energy though and you get tired of eating greasy shit every day in my experience.

>>11763293
>calls the superior keto human names
>puts his trust in some broad who's clearly afraid to lose her shitty little goldmine
>wastes all his time finding videos about her
kek, what a total loser

>>11763429
>w-women are stupid!! alternative facts!!
Incels are so pathetic

>>11763438
>I don't have a single counter argument
>my last hope is fake a stutter and fantasize
>is he gone yet??
kek, what a sad person

>>11763472
>n-not an argument!!
>i-im totally not mad!!!
Lol incels are the most easily triggered losers on the planet

>>11763484
>posts wojak
>calls others incel
kek, continue please, r9k

>>11762405
>have to constantly demonize fruit and treat it like a mortal enemy whenever people talk about carbs
that probably does get boring after a while desu

>>11762461
>Oh and I guess they recommend you avoid bananas because of their high starch content. Bananas was just the last straw, wasn't it? Fat fuck.
And milk. And beans. And whole grains.

It really seems retarded that they recommend not drinking milk on keto but all other forms of dairy are okay. I understand the need to avoid carbs but I think that should just mainly be limited to refined carbs, it's a lot harder to overeat unrefined foods that have carbs and just not overeating in general will promote weight loss.

>>11763673
>she fell for the whole grains meme

Never gonna make it. Whole grains are LITERALLY just refined white grains, but brown.

>>11763188
I AM HEALTHIER EATING A LOW CARB DIET FOR THE LAST 2 1/2 YEARS THAN YOU WILL EVER BE IN YOUR LIFE

>>11763293
dr berg is so cute

>>11763701
Post body

>>11763682
They literally aren’t

>Boy I'm sure glad I only ate boring terrible tasting food my whole life so I could live to the ripe old age of 93 where existence is pain and I'm burden on my family and I can't even use the bathroom without someone's help and I can only lie in bed all day watching M*A*S*H re-runs
Living a long life is overrated as fuck, just eat what you want and enjoy yourself but don't become a 500 lb giga lardass.

>>11763532
>no you
Why are incels so painfully unclever?

>>11763701
*fatter

>>11763759
KEEP EATING THOSE LOW FAT CUPCAKES THAT'LL SHED THE POUNDS RIGHT OFF! COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF SUGAR IS TOTALLY OK! OH NO THE WORD FAT?!? LIKE THE FAT ON YOUR GUT! I AM GOING TO EAT A LOW FAT DIET SO I DON'T GET ANY FAT! LITERAL MOMMY WAY OF THINKING

>>11763757
By the time people here are that age they'll be watching spongebob reruns, not fukin MASH

>>11763772
No. I don’t do meme diets because I don’t have the willpower of a retarded 7 year old.

>IF I SHOVEL BUTTER DOWN MY TRAP I WONT HAVE DIBEETUS :DDD
Enjoy your atherosclerosis, fat fuck

>>11763757
More resources are being directed to keeping people healthy into old age instead of just increasing lifespans now. Might come a point where most people will be as healthy in their 90s as they were in their 20s and 30s.

>>11762392
I have no doubt that you’d lose wait, if you followed the diet properly, but to pretend it’s better than any other meme diet is dumb. There’s no reason to completely remove any macro from your diet.

>>11762562

>6 meal a day traditional diet

sorry what?

>>11763803
>butter causes health problems
Poor thing, it's retarded.

>>11764194
>fat wheezing retard tries justifying his new age boomerscience
Yikes

>>11764204
isn't LDL/HDL ratio more important than just LDL amount?

>>11764211
Butter skyrockets your LDL especially relative to HDL. Having high HDL (which can also oxidize from saturated fats) isn’t going to protect you from LDL and LDL oxidation

>>11764204
Lmao an LDL study? What year is it? Better keep away from those mean old saturated fats. Go buy another lowfat yogurt dumb nigger

>>11764242
>uh duh duh!!! A bloo bloo no count!!
Poor thing is retarded.

Saturated fat consumption impairs endothelial and HDL function
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539/

But Dr Berg said its fine so don’t worry!!!

>>11764247
You have no causation, and if you don't cherry pick your studies you don't even have correlation. Get fucked.

>>11764242
surely you know better than the medical world with your phd in broscience

>>11764277
>you have no causation
Lol its right in the graph you stupid fuck. Are you actually hoping that confidently talking like a retard will sway people you stupid fuck? Stupid fuck.

>>11764280
WAPF shills dont even try. They jusy use low grade low IQ buzzword ad hominems

>>11764292
Woah now boys, settle doen. What study is this from? Gonna need to see a bit more chief.

>>11764325
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1534437/

Use sci-hub to bypass the paywall

Butter significantly raises LDL and total cholesterol but not significantly HDL
http://www.jlr.org/content/36/8/1787.full.pdf

>b-b-but high HDL will save y-
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(12)60312-2.pdf

>>11764348
>Diets were designed so that protein, carbohydrate, and
fat provided approximately 17%,
47%,and 36%
Boy this is relevant for keto.

>>11764384
Boy I sure didn’t say it was. Not sure why you think keto would give you a super shield for your heart

>>11762392
I did keto for 6 months and lost 41 lbs so it definitely works. That being said, it's too restrictive for the modern diet unless your an introverted NEET who lives alone and doesn't go anywhere. My gf is vegetarian so we really couldn't eat anything together. Real redpill is protein. Eat alot of portein and then just go easy on carbs/fats. I've lost weight at a much more gradual and easy to maintain level doing that vs keto

>>11764381
Uh oh Big Sugar found the thread

>>11764401
You're in a keto thread. So this is about health related to keto. I'm not sure where I said keto gives you a super shield for the heart.

>>11764410
Uh oh Big Dumb Retard tried making an argument!

Trans fats, saturated fats, and REFINED CARBS raise atherosclerotic risk
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/77/5/1146/4689813

>>11764444
There’s also discussions going on within the thread that don’t specifically relate to keto. Is this your excuse for being hastily dumb?

>I'm not sure where I said keto gives you a super shield for the heart.
Then there was no point in replying to the post unless you had some other skepticism towards cholesterol and why keto protects you from it

>>11764446
>getting this spun up about cholesterol when physicians are actively moving away from your antiquated perspective
you sound like a mental patient. so many processes in the body require lipoprotein production in the pathways. Also LDL cholesterol wouldn't be as much of a concern for people with a low body fat percentage. Unsurprisingly people on high-carb diets are more likely to have higher fat percentages die to the low bioavailabilty of carbohydrates before they are stored into fats

>>11764459
What's the point of posting studies that take carb intake into the equation in a keto thread?

>>11764483
>A BLOO BLOO DUH PHYSICIANS
HHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH

YOU

LITERALLY

HAVE

ZEEEEEEEEEEEEERO

ARGUMENT

>Also LDL cholesterol wouldn't be as much of a concern for people with a low body fat percentage. Unsurprisingly people on high-carb diets are more likely to have higher fat percentages die to the low bioavailabilty of carbohydrates before they are stored into fats

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH

SUPER SMART PHYSICIAN HERE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>clogged arteries are okay if you’re thin!!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10704618/

These shills literally do not care if you die if they stay logically consistent and delude themselves into believing their bullshit

>>11764499
Are you saying carb intake doesn’t matter for keto?

Just a reminder guys, super high cholesterol that can oxidize and rupture your arteries only hurts you’re eating too many strawberries

>>11764504
who hurt you anon?

>>11764528
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You guys make this way too fun and easy

>>11764518
No, I'm saying it isn't relevant for keto if you're doing it properly.

>>11763803
>IF I DON'T SHOVEL SUGAR INTO MY TRAP I WON'T GET DIABETES
literally yes

>>11764535
Ok anon how should we eat then?

>>11764539
That’s what you’re saying now that’s not what you said before. If you’re doing it properly that’s dependent on carb intake

>>11764535
>>11764504
You've yet to post anything relevant to keto. I'm just going to hope you're trolling and not actually this retarded. Good day.

>>11764560
>im right youre wrong!!!
Lol ketolards

Carnists are new age Christcucks. They don’t care about facts, they care about their dogmatic fee fees

>>11763815
That's not going to happen because when people begin to reach the age of 50+ their body begins to degenerate. People aren't really supposed to be living past 50-60 so if you reach 70 or 80 or even 90 you're going to be a stereotypical old person who can barely walk around without assistance unless you're a genetic anomaly.

>>11762392
No but it’s not sustainable long term and doesn’t work like how people think it does.

>>11764596
>That's not going to happen because when people begin to reach the age of 50+ their body begins to degenerate.
My point was that they're working more to prevent or reverse this happening, instead of just increasing lifespan at the cost of quality of life.

>>11763029
Listen fatty you did this for 3 days. Once you reach week 2 you'll realise how much the human body craves sugar. Its a place far beyond crack if you're in keto, eating just some carbs. It's an emotion strong enough for ancient monkeypeople to hunt mammoths for

>>11764635
You’re just mentally weak and need to Pavlovian condition yourself to do anything

>>11764612
You dumb kid? That would require heavy genetic manipulation, you're talking about just staying healthy, which would not do what you think it will. You would need to edit the muscle atrophy element of the human body.

>>11764535

>>11764280
You got btfo a few days ago faggot.

>>11764928
>That would require heavy genetic manipulation
Which is what some people are working on you gigantic mongoloid. Hopefully the genetic manipulation will help you with being a mongoloid at some point. Bitch.

>>11762392
Do keto until you hit your goal and then slowly switch back to a normal diet and make sure to exercise

>>11764980
Christ, you're fucking retarded.

>>11764963
Oh yeah this braindead monkey that literally thinks limited means none and that Ancel Keys refuted the lipid hypothesis. It must suck being a stupid worthless piece of shit like you that can’t read a basic linear graph

>your baseline intake of cholesterol influences the effect dietary cholesterol has on serum cholesterol

>this clearly shows dietary cholesterol doesn’t increase serum cholesterol, just look at this quote on Ancel Keys on a case study saying limited!!!

Imagine how drunk your mother was during pregnancy to birth this snippet. These shills want your money then your death when your arteries are clogged
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.cir.0000103664.47406.49

Who is this handsome gentleman

>>11765109
>he thinks the lipid hypothesis is about dietary cholesterol instead of saturated fat
>he thinks that when Ancel Keys said "There’s no connection whatsoever between cholesterol in food and cholesterol in blood. And we’ve known that all along. Cholesterol in the diet doesn’t matter at all unless you happen to be a chicken or a rabbit.” that he really meant the opposite
You're off your supplements again, vegan. Your brain damage is showing.

>>11762392
>Transgendered nigger man
>Says keto sucks
>Stick with pasta and normie food.

I would do the opposite of anything this freak says. 95% of her, "her" weight loss clients, put the weight right back on.

>>11765441
The lipid hypothesis is about saturated fat and cholesterol

>There’s no connection whatsoever between cholesterol in food and cholesterol in blood. And we’ve known that all along. Cholesterol in the diet doesn’t matter at all unless you happen to be a chicken or a rabb
That was in 1957 before the meta analysis of metabolic ward studies calculating cholesterol intake at baseline came out. Unless you’re suggesting you have actual evidence Keys just flip flopped on the issue. But you don’t which explains why you’re a fat crying retard who replies with strawmen instead of refuting evidence :^)

>>11764527
>he thinks that when the US Dietary Guidelines for Americans says "cholesterol is not a nutrient of concern for overconsumption" they really mean that it is a concern for overconsumption.

>>11765549
What’s it like being wrong at everything in life?
>As recommended by the IOM, individuals should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible … Strong evidence from mostly prospective cohort studies but also randomized controlled trials has shown that eating patterns that include lower intake of dietary cholesterol are associated with reduced risk of CVD, and moderate evidence indicates that these eating patterns are associated with reduced risk of obesity. … Dietary cholesterol is found only in animal foods such as egg yolk, dairy products, shellfish, meats, and poultry.”

>>11765545
>That was in 1957
Try 1997. Its fun seeing you btfo yourself, but vegans are into self punishment.

>>11765561
>>11762929

>>11765561
"Dietary cholesterol has an important effect on the cholesterol level in the blood of chickens and rabbits, but many controlled experiments have shown that dietary cholesterol has a limited effect in humans."
>Ancel Keys, 1991
How does it feel knowing your primary source thinks you are retarded?

Compared to zero carb carnivory, yes it's bullshit. Still better than a carb heavy diet though.

>>11764590
Basically anything a vegan says is hilarious once you know what veganites are-- complete retards in a starvation cult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pji8zXeS9gY

>>11765545
>The lipid hypothesis is about saturated fat and cholesterol
The lipid hypothesis is about the relationship between *dietary* saturated fat and *serum* cholesterol. Only a vegan with brain damage could think it was about dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol. But you have helpfully self-identified as a brain damaged vegan, which nicely solves the mystery.

>>11765153
>cholesterol is bad for you, the vegan explained

>>11765588
LOL this retard STILL doesn’t understand what LIMITED means

>>11765573
Then source it, because the original source of that quote is here in 1956
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article-abstract/59/1/39/4722525

>>11765620
This guy only eats raw fruit.
I'm mostly vegetarian, I eat dairy, and I look perfectly normal. I eat almost no food that has cholesterol in it.

Big healthy looking guys die all the time from heart attacks. It doesn't matter how big and strong you are. If the tiny arteries feeding your heart get clogged up with plaque, you drop dead.

>>11765608
Saturated fat is a component of the lipid hypothesis because the entire idea of it is cholesterol in the blood you fat fuck

>>11764527
>total cholesterol
>not hdl:ldl
>in 2019
I hear you can treat that there high cholesterol with a course of leeches, grandpa.

>>11765632
People with testosterone levels of 90 year old women are typically not reasonable and usually as ghouly in appearance as they are in health

soy

>>11765674
Oh look. More unsupported strawmen. It must suck being fat, retarded, and wrong, all in one go
:)
>>11764381
>>11764348
>>11764260

>dietary cholesterol is healthy
>okay it doesnt raise it though
>okay but ratioes
>but i look good and feel good

Carnists are fat inbred retards that eat and vote against their own interests.

>>11762392
>Does it work?
Yes
>do fat people fuck up and bastardize every diet they try?
Yes

Its fine diet if you actually eat a lot of leafy greens and go on an actual deficit. The problem is most people just use at free license to eat as much meat and eggs as they want.

>>11765623
He said it again in 1991, and again in 1997. Ancel Keyes said that a lot, because apparently he really didnt think that dietary cholesterol mattered much.
>>11765623
The link you didn't read? The one titled "Diet and Serum Cholesterol in Man: Lack of Effect of Dietary Cholesterol", in which Keyes says essentially the same the same thing he said many times later?
"the serum cholesterol level is essentially independent of the cholesterol intake over the whole range of natural human diets"
>reee he didnt mean what he said. vegans are healthy.

Some children with epilepsy can benefit from it. Others find that it fills them up. CICO is what matters the most.

Life is too short to live on an incredibly restrictive diet.

>>11765747
>he says it multiple times just trust me!!!
Lol you’re such a desperate fat retard. You can’t read and you can’t even keep a cohesive point. It’s why you’re here from sunrise to sunset instead of working like a normal person. At least mommy thinks you’re pretty :)

>>11765719
Is that your blood report?

>>11765795
Yes, I’m ex-doctor cryptkeeper Shawn Baker. Im only held together by a cocktail of steroids I admit to taking. Test results don’t matter if you feel good which I tell myself everyday

>ITT: People argue about diets that may or may not marginally increase or decrease life expectancy before we all inevitably die.

>>11765812
Kek I didn't know who this guy was until I googled him. Dude has to work on lowering his LDL.

>>11762392
It's a legitimate method for treating epilepsy (and at least used to be one for treating type 1 diabetes). Most patients don't use it though, specifically because of how poorly tolerated the real diet is.
Pause for a minute and think about that: This diet has notoriously high dropout rates in studies because adhering to it was even *more* unpleasant than having severe epileptic seizures where you randomly lose the ability to talk, move voluntarily, or even breathe and then start violently spasming on the floor and shitting your pants in public. Adhering to it was even *more* unpleasant than having sugar you can't process build up in your bloodstream and make you too weak to move, vomiting repeatedly while not knowing where you are or what's going on before slipping into a coma.
So its more recent use as a fad diet is questionable. Also the Inuits brought up as living off a nearly or even entirely meat-only diet were never found to be in ketosis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22419282
>These studies suggest that in children, the ketogenic diet results in short to medium term benefits in seizure control, the effects of which are comparable to modern antiepileptic drugs. However, one study of long term outcome reports a high attrition rate for the diet. This would suggest that many children find the diet difficult to tolerate. The main reasons for drop-outs in the included studies included gastrointestinal side effects and dislike for the diet.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9832569
>At 1 year, 55% remained on the diet and 27% had a >90% decrease in seizure frequency. Most of those discontinuing the diet did so because it was either insufficiently effective or too restrictive.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3707416/
>Thus, although parents generally prefer the diet over anti-epileptic drugs (AEDs), which have potential side effects, even the most enthusiastic ones may have trouble adhering to it, leading to a high attrition rate.1,6

>>11765821
He’s a real treat. He also had to start constipating himself even further by eating cheese because he was literally becoming Vitamin C deficient (SCURVY)

Which reminds me, I’m going to bed for work tomorrow, I’ll go have a glass of orange juice, goodnight carniecucks ;)

>>11765820
>diets that may or may not marginally increase or decrease life expectancy
There's in fact only one well established method to increase an organism's lifespan through diet. And (ketofags are going to hate this) that method is calorie restriction.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3734859/
>CR is the only dietary intervention known to extend lifespan and delay the onset of age-associated phenotypes (Masoro 2002; Weindruch and Walford 1988).

>>11764635
I can live without eating sugar and just drinking black coffee. The reward is greater than being overtaken by cravings, i will not falter.

>>11762392
holy crap did cara turn 25

>>11762395
say that to my face, psycholophaster

>>11762837
ive been on it for a year dont really consider it a diet because i just make food i like.
dont even miss carbs, that being said youre encouraged to go in and out of ketosis to increase metabolic flexibility. people rebound because they punish themselves for cheating or think they failed. Also carb addiction is real as im sure youre aware so start treating it like any other drug and have it in moderation. for me its about 8 birthday parties a year, xmas and new years.

what happens by doing this is you start to feel the drug like effects carbs have on your body the day after ingesting at encourages you to fuck it off.

you dont even need to do it very long to notice, fast for 24 hours, eat a keto diet for 7 days then go eat some bread or rice and youll see the difference.

>>11762837
its probably the most flexible diet available. you can over eat and gain weight on it. people fail most likely because they simply dont want to do it. eating at a caloric deficit no matter what your diet is going to be tough so you need to be tougher.

>>11763815
That would be a bad thing. The world has way too many people for how many resources we consume per capita.

>>11765879
that probably doesn't carry over to humans

>>11767178
>The world has way too many people for how many resources we consume per capita.
Technology in other areas is going to keep advancing to deal with those problems too. Overpopulation mostly means technology hasn't advanced enough. 100 years ago it was literally impossible to produce the required amount of food for half of the current population until a scientist invented a way to easily make more fertilizer. There are still advancements being made to deal with pollution and to gather more resources from new areas.

More people should still try to be less wasteful, but depriving yourself or saying we need less people in the world isn't the answer.

>>11767198
Unless we get Star Trek level tech from the singularity, we are fucked. Peak fucking everything is nearly upon us and we don't have the technology to recycle most materials.

>>11765693
>Look I have no arguments and the science I use is out of date!

>>11764527
>>11764535
>its totally not something I pulled out of my ass guise
hahahahahahaha

>>11765879
>ketofags are going to hate this
where have you been living the last decade? this is one of the cornerstones of the keto meme diet. ketofags are convinced it is one of the advantages of their diet. The keto diet triggers most of the same longevity-related mechanisms that calorie restriction does (its a fasting mimicking diet), and since once you're in ketosis you can fast easily most ketofags seem to mix in intermittent fasting as well to make sure they get the rest of the benefits.

>>11765693
Milkjar looks great. You can post a million images of milkjar, it will bring more people to the primal diet. Same goes for Sverige.

Now your average vegan??? Hmmm...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnPZgLHHWQ

>>11763673
Milk has sugar in it. Cream is the fattier layer of milk skimmed away from the rest. Butter is concentrated milk fat. Cheese is a result of the proteins and fats becoming separated from the sugars. Yogurt and ice cream retain the sugar and are not keto approved.

>>11768185
>ketofags are convinced it is one of the advantages of their diet
Well that's stupid considering *calorie reduction* is by definition not about the macronutrients, it's about reducing calories. The only established way to increase lifespan through diet is reducing calories, not changing your macronutrient ratios.

it's bad for your kidneys

low carbing is well established as a last resort for criminally obese people that are going to die either way.
it's an extreme measure that reeks havoc on your organs, but sometimes that is outweighed by the risk of staying fat any longer

you can call it what you want. the reason it gets rebranded with a new name every few years is because people get wise to how bad it is for you so they need a makeover

Im doing low carb not keto. Basically I never eat bread, pasta, potato, or any carb at all. just lots of fat and protein.
I do however eat some fruit, only a handful of berries, drink milk, drink protein powder that contains a couple carbs, have beans and have cauliflower.

I feel like I get enough carbs that I'm not ketosis but other than that its zero carbs. Im an ex fatty on rebound so and this is really helping lose the weight.

4 eggs with yogurt and protein shake for breakfast, 2 chicken thighs with broccoli and yogurt for lunch, some sausage and peppers for dinner.

>>11768659
Calorie restriction extends longevity in mice, but it is uncertain if this happens in humans as well, or that it happens in the same way. We dont even know the precise parameters of calorie restriction needed by mice, much less by humans. We dont know the mechanism, and without knowing that you simply can't say "The only established way to increase lifespan through diet is reducing calories, not changing your macronutrient ratios", not even about the mice in the experiment much less about people.
Must all macronutrients be restricted, or just some of them, or is it just total calories that must be restricted, and must the restriction be continuous or can it be intermittent, is it the ratio that is important, or the absolute quantities of the macronutrients, etc. This is still an area of active research.
However, many similar lines of research have been going on in humans, coming at it from different angles. It is known that a certain type of calorie restriction - fasting - will trigger the human body into recycling and repair modes that improve health, damage or destroy cancerous and precancerous cells, repair the nerve damage that is associated with alzheimers, reverse type 2 diabetes, and these repair modes seem likely candidates for mechanisms for increasing longevity. The 2016 Nobel prize in Medicine was given to a researcher that discovered one of the mechanisms. Keto mimicks certain aspects of fasting sufficiently well (fasting is also ketogenic, much more so than the keto diet) that it also puts the body into these repair modes, and even more so since almost all people on the keto diet also do intermittent fasting which turns these repair modes up to 11.

>>11768690
>it's bad for your kidneys
Not really, not unless you're already in incipient kidney failure. Turns out not even the Atkins diet is bad for your kidneys, once the doctors stopped kneejerking about it and actually did some decent studies on it. Ironically that's one of the things that led to the Keto diet. Researchers investigating Atkins in the 90's teying to finally put the nail in what they considered a dangerous diet, and discovered that it wasnt dangerous after all, and there were some interesting benefits from being in ketosis during the induction phase, benefits that went away in the later less extreme phases, and looked into it more deeply.

>>11768632
Yes I understand the reasoning, but it still seems silly to say that almost every dairy product is good for you except for the unprocessed form. I totally get avoiding large amounts of refined carbs but saying milk and fruit aren't healthy because carbs is still silly.

I don't understand how you guys can argue about keto for hundreds of posts, day in and day out

>>11769211
because people refuse to listen to health practitioners and their respective case studies and choose to listen instead to the quacks that follow their countries dietary guidelines (the same guidelines that came to existence through "studies" funded by major food corporations) and shitpost on 4chan about keto being a meme while calling everyone a cuck.

it's not hard, figure it out

>>11769304
the same guidelines, i might add, that quacks stick to even though their patients conditions never improve. Killing off our loved ones through sheer ignorance and arrogance.

>>11769205
not if the goal is to stay in ketosis. whole milk has enough carbs in it to kick you out of ketosis, and the combination of fat and carbs is really excellent for weight gain.

Jillian is a dumb cunt. She literally works out as her job. Anyone would be fit and in shape in that case. Keto helps lard asses lose weight so fuck her. She can ask her fellow faggot friend aka Bob how being shape doesn't prevent heart attacks

>>11769211
Because the vegans are utterly assblasted at the thought of any other meme diet.

>>11769304
>blah blah blah
I'm not ketotic or whatever the fuck you're mad about. nobody actually cares about this shit IRL
>>11769774
oh, so it's just an imaginary straw man to rail against, like the vegans trying to take away my narwhal bacon, is that it?

>>11769786
>>blah blah blah
my point exactly.

>>11763682
>what is fiber

>>11769786
Veganites agenda IsReal, and (((they))) are trying to take away yours and my narwal butter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_CXwa-_5Uk

And Jillian is a transgendered nigger dyke raising Haitian children with his or her female spouse.

It is actually a diet-short term change- not life long re-jiggering. Fasting has same outcome.

In having 400g colostrum and 3l water only everyday never been more healthy

Will post here, how much fat to protein should i be consuming for ketosis? My fat to protein macros are usually the same amount (75g around), should i be eating more fats?

>>11772080
depends on what your goal is. if you are not trying to lose weight and want to be in ketosis for other reasons (e.g. migraines) then you want most of your caloric intake to be fat ~ 80% or so, no more than about 100 cals of carbs, and the remainder of your calories from protein. if you are trying to lose weight then run the numbers as though you weren't trying to lose weight, then knock out some of the daily fat (which will then come from your fat stores) while keeping the absolute amount of the other macronutrients the same.

>>11763803
If you notice there's a giant trend where butter use decreased and vegetable oil increased while heart attacks increased from the 60s to today.

>>11772238
vegans don't notice inconvenient facts anon.

>>11772238
>>11772263
This is because sugar use and processed shit became omnipresent.

>>11772273
there's always some excuse

>>11772238
Source?

>>11772238
Well CVD deaths actually gradually dropped off in the 60s

>>11772238
>>11772363
It appears to have peaked in the 40s and 50s

>>11772363
>>11772388
Butter consumption was extremely high in the 40s and dropped off likely because of rationing and its consumption with margarine was basically level in the 50s where margarine eventually took over in the 60s and was dominant up until the new millennium

>>11762392
its bullshit if its cutting into your multimillion dollar diet/supplement business. keto is anti-capitalist.

>>11772388
>>11772363
>>11772397
>cherrypicking data this hard