/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Asking to settle an argument with a friend

>>11229006
If I had to eat it every day, Vietnamese would be my choice. Malaysian is a possible contender as well, but I’ve only had it a couple times as I live in flyover country.

>>11229006
Oh also, I'm gay

>>11229006
Asian cuisine is underdeveloped compared to the entire pillar of culinary development led by the French. French techniques and understandings of the cooking process spread to most of the West(if it was always actually upheld after adoption is a matter of debate :cough: :cough:).
However Asian cuisine never got the same infusion. True quality Asian dishes are relatively rare, because only a few select foods coincidentally overlap with the fundamentals found within the French techniques, providing them with that extra edge. Those foods are good, but they're rare, and there's no concentration in any one Asian country. Asian flavors themselves can have merit, but really their kitchen methods leave tons to be desired.
For this reason, the most successful country in Asia when it comes to food is Singapore. A small country, but it seemed to have uniquely adopted the high level understanding of the cooking process from the French, but kept the authenticity of Asian flavors and ingredients. Really nothing else in all of the world is like it.
I should note how different it is than simply converting Asian foods and making them palatable to westerners, as most Asian->West food crossover that you see in the West only manages to do. It's also different from those horrible abominations that Asia sometimes produces where they attempt to emulate Western dishes but within the culture of Asian flavors. Like that shit ain't pizza anymore for the love of God stop.

So yeah. The French mastery of the kitchen combined with the deep understanding of Asian flavors and ingredients is something I've only seen in Singapore and I think it happened that way due to a rare cultural phenomenon of colonization and cross assimilation.

I could eat Japanese street food for the rest of my life, which would be pretty short given how much frying they do.

>>11229110
this pasta again

Fillapeeno

Vietnamese is godly. Hanoi and Hoi An are the best towns I’ve been to for food.

Chinese obviously

>>11229006
I'm between Thai and Vietnamese. Thai food on its own is probably a bit better than Viet but Viet also has a lot of wonderful bread/pastry stuff with French influence, so I can't pick.

>>11229006
Japan and China

Either Sichuan or Cantonese.

I've been to Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, and China so far. I also live in Vancouver where we have a variety of Asian restaurants, dominated mostly by Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese.

There's my ranking of the best food countries in East Asia:
>Singapore
>Malaysia
>Indonesia
>China
>Thailand
>Vietnam
>Japan
>Korea
>Laos
>Cambodia
>Philippines

I didn't rank South Asia or Western Asian countries.

Seriously if you want the best food you'll ever eat go to Singapore. I've been there twice now, the second time I didn't even do much, just went to eat. In Bourdains last episode on Singapore his opening line is something like "I come to Singapore to eat".

>>11229603
>Singapore
yikes

Japan. How is that even a contest ? Actual cuisine vs whatever fried un sewer oil

>>11229614
>vinegar rice with uncook fish
300 dorrah

>>11229020

this. for every day food vietnamese is definitely my go to, so fresh and vibrant

>>11229110

unimpressed by spaghetto

>>11229631
>$300 dollars is expensive for a worldclass experience
How fucking poor are you? You'll spend far more than that taking 2 worthless spawn, your wife and yourself to fucking Didleyland, ffs!

>>11229006
India. Would love to have a meal of palak paneer with rice and naan right now. Tomorrow is payday, might get some after work, I'm craving spinach lately.

>>11229610
Singapore has an amazing blend of Malay, Indian and Chinese. Add to that the westernized component and you basically have the best of many cultures blended to create something special food wise. Except it's not fake like in America, the ingredients all come from nearby so the food is both cheap and really authentic but with a bit extra that makes it special.

>>11229006
thai desu
its got rice
its got noodles
everything is fried

Lebanon

>>11229006
Singapore

>thinking it’s as simple as ranking the ‘best’ cuisine
What is it with autists and their lists?

>>11229006
China

>>11229697
>worldclass experience

China probably has more variety than all the other east asian countries together

>>11229614
japanese cuisine has a very 'clean' taste where they allow the natural taste of the food to shine...but they dont have anything going on in the spicy area

>>11229006
singapore if you know where to look

>>11230430
>miso
>rice vinegar
>clean taste

Vietnamese and Japanese have a great flavor, and feel more refreshing. Thai has awesome flavors and peanut sauce. Top 3.

Lived in Japan for 2 yeas and while the food is quite good, the lack of seasoning and sauces make it bland after a while.

For me, Taiwan really hit the spot food wise. There is such a wide array of selection and it ranges from super cheap to high class meals. Would visit again just for the food alone

>>11230447
thats very, very clean compared to other cuisines

miso or rice vinegar doesnt have a complicated taste anyway

>>11229697
>You're retarded and poor if you dont spend exorbitant amounts of money on mediocre food and an above average environment
Fuck off. There's nothing wrong with spending money on what you prefer to. I'd rather take my parents to Disneyworld than eat some raw fish.

Why the fuck are all the dishes 90% carbs and 5% protein

>>11229538
im with this guy, living in thailand for 3 months was the best food experience of my entire life but im marrying a viet girl for that banh mi life

p.s. japanese food is shit and youre a pleb if its even in your top 5

Singapore

i spent a week there this summer and ate myself sick....its amazing, food everywhere, the worst i had was an ok meal

some real crazy hidden gems if you know where to look

probably Chinese because it's so diverse, Japanese is my favorite but I feel that I would get tired of how bland it can be

>>11230785
Because they're poor and meat is expensive and reserved for Americans

>>11229006
Korean.

Not a fan of Vietnamese or Thai, actual Chinese is rare in the US, all Japanese have that's worth mentioning is sushi.

>>11229110
My nigga's never read Shokugeki no Soma

I really fucking hate Chinese food. Heres my list:
>Japanese
>Lebanese
>Malaysian
>
>Vietnamese
>Thai
>
>Indian
>Turkish
>
>Korean
>
>Chinese

>>11230857
All wrong
>japanese on top
Holy shit

>>11230785
There's protein in the "carbs". Only fruit has a protein content that low.

This thread makes it look like Singapore hits a home run on food

China simply because it's so diverse and is like 8 countries worth of food.

Otherwise still China. Probably Zhejiang.

>>11229110
>Asian cuisine is underdeveloped compared to the entire pillar of culinary development led by the French.
Vietnam makes French dishes too.

>>11231661
I've spent time (a month or longer) in Japan, Singapore, Vietnam, Thailand, Korea, UAE, Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Kuwait, and Bahrain.

AMA

>>11231673
When do you retire

>>11231673
have you weighed in on the thread question yet?

>>11231673
UAE is the richest country in the world apparentally.
What’s it really like?

>>11229722
Muh nigger. Iron cravings are an early warning of blood cancer.

>>11229006
Lebanon, since it apparently is on your map.
Wouldn't recommend it as a "eat it everyday" kind of food (unless you want to look like a mediterannean grandpa in your 30's)
t. have a lebanese mother
If you mean east asian and south/southwestern asian then I'm gonna go with Thai.

>>11231753
I 'retired' once already, but not working is boring after the third year, so I'm working again.

>>11231756
>>11231661
But, it wasn't really an answer. If we're talking a country's own cultural food, I'd say Vietnam. I've spent almost 5 years there. To be honest, it does start to get old after a while, but they have a huge variety of dishes. Some good French pastries, excellent soups, bomb BBQ, and alcohol there is cheap. Couple of my favorites that I've never seen anywhere else is DIY BBQ Lamb breast, and Tiết canh. And when I say variety of dishes, I mean it. They eat everything. You won't hear a bird sing in the morning or evening, because it's been hunted. And, yes, I've ate a couple dogs. Bit too gamey, but nothing a little rice wine doesn't cover.

If you are talking about a country where you can order any variety of food, it would be a toss up between UAE (Dubai) and Japan (Tokyo). You can get any food you want in Dubai, and it's authentic. They import hired help from all over the world. Tons of Russians, Pinoy, Indian, Somali, Paki, Chinese, etc. So, you go to the region of the city where these people live, and you get the opportunity to go to their restaurants. It's pretty good, although not always the cleanest. But, it's authentic.
Tokyo, on the other hand, prides itself on being the 'best' at making food from other countries. Best Pizza I've ever had was at a dive bar at 4AM. Yes, it was mayo based. Shit was the bomb. Best cheese burger I've ever had was at a 'American Old Western' restaurant near Tokyo Tower (the staff was dressed up like cowboys/girls). Authentic Japanese food sucks in my opinion, but they make everyone elses food better than where it originated.

>>11231884
>It's pretty good, although not always the cleanest
Dubai or Abu Dahbi ? I've never had any problem in Dubai and we ordered once from a lebanese shawarma in Abu Dahbi that wasn't the cleanest of cleanest but if there's one thing I can trust lebanese with is that they'll never sell food they wouldn't eat themselves.

>>11231783
It's fucking hot. Not too bad once you get use to it, and it's a dry heat most of the time. Had an apartment there for close to five years. It's not as expensive as everyone thinks it is. Don't visit the Burj Khalifa if it's windy, you won't see shit from 'The Top'. Street shawarma is delicious. Camel tastes like the toughest, tasteless, steak you've ever had, but it's customary to butcher one during a wedding, so be polite. Best hummus I've had, and pretty good flat bread. You can only drink in hotels, as they are the only places allowed to have bars. Some of them are full of hookers. Some of the best clubs on earth. The Cavelli Club is beautiful. If you have the connections, go to the Armani Club. You have to be invited, and your ID and invitation will be checked as you enter by three different people at two different checkpoints and at the door. Inside is a wall of LEDs that create pictures that go with the music. Ramadan sucks, everything is closed. There is only one bar I know of that's open during it, and it's the oldest bar in the city. You can't order beer alone though, you must order a sandwich as well. No one eats it, because it's a shit gimmick to get around whatever their law is. The expat community is pretty cool though. Abu Dhabi was always under construction it seemed, so I didn't go up there unless there was a F1 race. Best track on the circuit, and I've been to a few of them. Beware the stinking shitskin taxi man, some of them don't bathe. If you're looking for a grocery store, you can find them in the basement of the malls. Also, they have the best malls in the world. They also have the most Rolls Royces in the world. Go by the marina, some of the boats are pretty cool. Worst Zoo in the world. I think I saw one staff member. They had one feral looking lion, and maybe two dozen animals total. The whole place would fit on a football pitch.

>>11230850
>Shokugeki no Soma
that's pretty good read and I'm not even a weeb
(although I like Berserk much better)

>>11231888
>Dubai or Abu Dahbi ? I've never had any problem in Dubai and we ordered once from a lebanese shawarma in Abu Dahbi that wasn't the cleanest of cleanest but if there's one thing I can trust lebanese with is that they'll never sell food they wouldn't eat themselves.
Both. I'm talking about the restaurants where the hired help live, that serve them. If you go back to Dubai, tell a taxi driver to take you to Somali Road. You can get authentic African and Indian/Paki food there.
Past the clock tower roundabout, near the Radisson Blu, there are some authentic Chinese places. One is pretty famous, and large. Private rooms upstairs. The other good one is a Hot Pot around the corner from the Blu. Also, the Blu does free Johny Walker tastings once a month, and has a hot girl sing while a black dude plays the piano. Good cigar bar too.
Oh! Get a 'localized' pizza at pizza hut. The shwarma one is awesome.

japanese and thai are amazing. China is just too oily to want a lot of but nice occasionally. If you count the middle east like the pic as Asia then Iranian food is fantastic as well.

>>11231883
>Lebanon, since it apparently is on your map.
The map is accurate. Turkey is the bridge to Europe.

>>11231920
Indian is fantastic as well i forgot to add

>>11231916
>The shwarma one is awesome
Kinda wanted to try kebab pizza but no 'restaurants' here do it.
Every time I went to abu dahbi or dubai it was with my family, including my mother. And I don't see myself bringing her withing 500 m of these places without her turning into fear induced psycho crisis. Maybe another time if the emirates are still standing.
>>11231921
Yeah, on a geographical standpoint. Culinary wise asia minor, syria, palestina and aegypt have shared cooking tradition going back to the greeks in romans whereas east-asia is split between indian and chinese influences

>>11231933
Well, the Romans pretty much ran everything from Egypt to Germany. Most of the food in the areas they controlled was based on the climate, so they're going to be similar if they're in the same latitude.

Don't bring your mom, go it alone. No crime in Dubai. They're like the Singaporeans, fuck with the tourists, we'll kill ya. And it's Abu Dhabi. Sorry, my autism brings out the grammar Nazi.

>Maybe another time if the emirates are still standing.
Funny you say that. Shaikh Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan once said in an interview that his tribe came from the desert, and didn't know wealth. That this new found wealth would cause problems, but that he would direct his tribe to keep their customs. He said they would need them most when they are forced to return to the desert.

I don't see them going anywhere any time soon. But, they are one of the tribes, and they go through their rounds. The most immediate threat I see for them is KSA.

>>11229120
I'd this actually pasta? I'm desperately praying it us because it's so ignorant.

>>11229110

>>11231980
>I'd this actually pasta?
Has to be. The French had no influence on Singapore, and the only reason their food tastes good is due to their past kings maninpulating their peerage through silly gimmicks to fuck with them, and personal health problems.

>>11231992
To be clear, I'm talking about the French kings and their food.

>>11230843
>korea

flavours for korean dishes be like
>kimchi
>kimchi
>kimchi
>kimchi
>doejaeng
>kimchi
>doejaeng

korean food is terribad and anything non kimchi based just tastes boring/gross

North Korean cuisine, Soviet Korean cuisine. Meaty, not spicy, and liberal usage of coriander seeds.

I prefer the fish-belly tray (eobok jaengban), which is not fish but steamed beef with multiple parts from a cattle. It's nice.

>>11231874
I'll book a doctor's appointment then, thanks anon

>>11229006
russian
they eat normal shit compared to others in asia

>>11229006
Great
>China
>India

Good
>Thailand
>Vietnam
>Turkey
>Lebanon
>Iran
>Singapore
>Indonesia

Ok
>Malaysia
>Cambodia
>Aghanistan
>Sri Lanka
>Japan
>Pakistan
>Taiwan
>Myanmar
>Syrian

Meh
>Bangladesh
>Laos
>Iraq
>Oman
>Korean
>Georgian
>Armenia
>Jordan
>Israel
>Azerbaijan

Mediocre
>All the stans
>Mongolia
>Russia
>Philippines
>Nepal
>Saudi Arabia
>UAE
>Yemen
>East timor

>>11232297
ive lived in cambodia for years and im curious why you rank it so highly. also im pretty sure russia deserves to be bumped up a few notches

>indian
>middle east
>asian

>>11232696
both india and middle east are in asia, stupid.

even russia is in asia

>>11232040
Korean BBQ is pretty good. Not a fan of most kimchi, but some of it is good. Tofu in all forms is bad.

China, nothing else comes close.

>>11233829
That's like saying American food. China is very diverse. What specific foods make China better than the rest of Asia?

>>11232696
Oh my sweet delicate middle school anon. Don't worry you'll get to the history class on ASIA MINOR in a few weeks.

Thai all the way. I love their veggie to protein ratios and their love of garlic/ginger/chili and pork.

>>11233833
>That's like saying American food. China is very diverse
Wat? Niggah, the US is probably the most homogenized food culture of any country in the world due to the ascendency and control of the food supply by megacorporations. Sure there are tiny pockets like southern Louisiana, but for the most part it's just the same boring ass corporate pig slop.

>>11233928
You don't see it, because you've been familiar with it your whole life. Or you're a nigger on foodstamps that only shops at 711

>>11233928
>gross citynigger
i like how you expanded your view of living in a city to all of america.

>>11233928
The same boring pigslop is everywhere, but that doesn't mean that regional food doesn't co-exist with it.

>>11233833
Sichuan cuisine is king, IMO. The Japanese have a similar pepper to Hua Jiao but it's not the same IMO. Jinhua ham is also unique in Asia as far as I know.

>>11233928
>most homogenized food culture of any country in the world due to the ascendency and control of the food supply by megacorporations

>but communism is so diverse

neck yourself

>>11233960
>Sichuan cuisine
I like it too, but it's not very diverse. I don't think I could live off of it, or that it's the best in Asia.

>>11232696
>2012+6
>Still being this retarded
shiggy

>>11233844

lmao

>>11233960
>sichuan
i saw that rick and morty episode too!!

>>11229006

Indian stew (commonly known as curry) is really good, but other than that I have no interest in Asian food. Pic related.

>>11234106
>(commonly known as curry)
Commit to not living.

>>11231904
how is the dating and social scene in UAE? I've wanted to visit there and potentially live there now for a while but it's still an Islamic country which makes me think it would be hard to meet people and connect due to the strict conservative nature of the religious culture.

>>11232005
I still don't get what you meant by that.

>>11234387
They're very lenient with tourists, as that drives their economy. However, showing signs of affection in public, such as kissing, is looked down upon. Holding hands is fine. The social scene is very big, lots of bars and clubs.
Regarding living there; I lived in a cheap apartment at first along Somali Road. Most of the apartments were empty, with a business name on the door and a phone inside. Basically an over seas 'business' that someone is using to launder money through. I think I was one of maybe four people who actually lived there. They will let you modify the apartment as you like, such as knocking down walls or building new ones. They don't really care. The rent was like $600 a month.
I later moved to an apartment near BurJuman. The rent was a little higher, and it had actual tenants. The benefit was that it was right next to a mall, a train station, a bodega down the street that would deliver food, a full sized grocery store within walking distance, as well as a Jollibee and Pizza Hut. Rent was like $800, but the benefits of the location more than made up for it.

>>11234405
The French Kings needed a way to control the aristocrat families in Paris and prevent them from trying to take control, so they constructed new rules of the realm and executed anyone who disobeyed them. Others had health issues that required softer meats, because they couldn't chew.

>>11234424
You're still not explaining it properly.

How would rules and the need for tender meat improve a countries cuisine?

>>11234433
Read a history book.
My original reply was that the French had no influence on Singaporean cuisine. 'Pore food is mostly Chinese, Malaysian, and Indian. They're most famous for their street food though.
In America people associate Pho with Vietnam and a simple noodle dish with Singapore. Both are literally street food.

>>11229217
shitskin food

>>11234631
That's Indian and Paki. Lurk more.

>>11234465
French cooking theory spread to most of Western Europe. Possibly the British in Singapore imported french cooking theory into Singapore. Another possibility is Singaporeans adopted French cooking theory while abroad and brought it back to Singapore.
Singapore uses local ingredients- Chinese, Malaysian, and Indian, but with French theory. This results in a superior food.

>>11234958
>French cooking theory
What is this meme bullshit?
This? https://www.thespruceeats.com/basic-methods-of-french-cooking-1375436
>Every way to cook a thing is now French.
Fuck off.

Based French. Superior in the kitchen. I wonder where else they might be superior?

>>11234989
Not in making vehicles or war.

>>11234997
They're pretty good at being invaded.

>>11229110
European cuisine is dead much like europe itself and its relevency to the world.

>>11229006

Middle Eastern countries. A good chicken shawarma is damn tasty. And baklava is really good too.

I love Chinese and Vietnamese food, but if I could only eat one type of food, it'd probably be Lebanese food.

Japanese is really unimpressive imo.

>>11229006
Iran

>>11235264
This desu senpai

>>11235264
Is it similar to Afghan food?

>>11235264
>>11235320
What food do they eat there? Figured it was similar to Lebanese. Is every country in the middle east unique? Thought all muslims ate the same food.

Rendang is the best asian dish.

>>11229006
japan

>>11229538
This

>>11231907
You should read Bambino if you want something more realistic.

>>11229722
when you crave palak paneer, you are not "craving spinach", you are craving a bunch of fat and salt. spinach is basically a window dressing in that dish

>>11231586
I mean they did. They're just basically a cutted off part of Malaysia with a lot of Chinese and exposure to Western society. They got a good mix of malaysian, Indian, and chinese

>>11237206
Under Section 377A of Singapore's Penal Code, a man found to have committed an act of "gross indecency" with another man could be jailed for up to two years. The law does not apply to homosexual acts between women.

Absolutely based

tossup between Japan and China.

anyone saying India is a retard

>>11229006
Japan. If I can pick subsets of Asian countries, then Manchuria, since it's closer to European cuisine than Japan is.

>>11230857
>Turkey is below India.
Literally brought us Doner, the predecessor to Gyro and Schwarma. India brought us... curry. Actual dhiarhea in food form.

Japan > Thailand > India > China > Everything else

Japan
India
Vietnam
Iran
Tibet
Philippines
Korea
China
Thailand
Indonesia

I've been to Japan, China and Tibet, the rest are based on Asian food I've had in California
>inb4 tibet is part of china retard

>>11229722
good shit

>>11239257
>Philippines
>korea

opinion discarded

>>11239276
kimchi is nasty, if they didn't use it as much it would be up higher. i love soondubu soup though

>Kyrgyzstan
>Palestine
>Phillapenes
>Iraq post 2002
>Laos
>Russia
>Bangladesh
>American Samoa
>Lima

>>11239308
Only correct answer in the thread

>>11239308
>Iraq post 2002
Burger King is shit.

Chinese. Love Japanese but I couldn't live without dim sum.

Kroket

>>11229006
China. It is too massive for you to comprehend the depth and variety of its food. Kill yourself for even asking.

>>11240500
>too massive for you to comprehend the depth and variety of its food
>somehow virtually all chinese food abroad is all the same, and is either bland or disgusting

I guess this must be the same reason why the rest of the world is under the false impression that American food is bad.

>>11231884
>Tiết canh
Interesting, how does it compare to something like a black pudding?

>>11240512
Personally like it much more, but I didn't ever eat black pudding while in England (kinda regret it now), but had some in Dubai. It wasn't that great. Tiết canh has a much better flavor, and the texture is 1000x better. I've read of people using different bloods, but I've always had it with either duck or chicken. It's a shallow dish, served on a plate, not in a bowl. You scoop the blood and organs out with 'rice crackers'. It's not puffed rice like at most chinese places. Closer to a rice paper wrap, but thicker.

China because it's bigger and has a lot of regional variation. Sichuan, northeastern, southeastern, western, Hunan; and each area has its own specialities, even less famous provinces like Guangxi for example with its snail noodles.

China in general has the biggest, most complex flavours. It has the widest number of dishes and ingredients. Nothing even compares, honestly. You could eat a different thing every day for years.

>>11240505
the vast majority of early chinese immigrants are Cantonese, from guangzhou. of course they'd be similar, its all from the same region. Also you gonna remember american chinese food is very different from china chinese food. Everything now is sweeter and coated with some sort of sauce and deep dried in usa.. if you actually went to guangzhou today you'd find most of the food there is quite light compared to rest of china