/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11183215
Technically, I'm for the $15 minimum wage.

The catch is, all other workers' wages should be increased proportionately. A part-time McDonald's worker does not deserve to earn the same wage as an entry-level construction worker.

We'll soon be the laughingstock of the world when the Canadian dollar becomes weaker than the Singapore dollar.

>>11183215
I've heard that restaurant workers in Alberta already make $15-17/hr in really remote areas (such as near the oil sands). With that new minimum wage in place, I guess they now have no incentive to move to buttfuck nowhere, they can just continue being parasites in Edmonton & Calgary.

>>11183241
and what do you think the ramifications of that would be? I'm sure you have thought it through very carefully.

Edmontonbro here

I always eat before going out with my friends and never drink. If they're going to make shit so expensive I'll settle with a coffee

>>11183241
15$ minimum wage does not make sense for most of the country. They're entitled shits who think that working a minimum wage job 40hr a week should get them an apartment of their own and private transportation.
When you work minimum wage you live with other people and use a cheaper means of transportation. Stop living outside your means or learn a skill to become more valuable.

>>11183241
>people who arent worth more than $14 an hour cant get a job
Thanks a fucking lot for raising the unemployment rate

>>11183277
I know what you're thinking, including what you're thinking what I'm thinking.

Let me be clearer: The whole thing is an obvious disaster that is unfair to the real workers, and the idea should've never existed.

If a McDonald's worker makes $15 an hour, it makes no sense for a construction worker or a warehouse picker to make the same (and they do, in many parts of North America). It's absolutely unfair that a 16-year old dumbass with minimal training gets paid the same as a labourer who has to work with various hazards, while operating power tools & machinery.

If they're going to continue paying McDonald's workers $15 an hour, then actual workers should be paid, oh I dunno, at least $21 an hour. Would this drive up costs? Damn right it will. That's the future that these idiot liberals have made.

Say that construction companies are being steadfast, and they're still paying entry-level workers $15 an hour. What incentive would anyone have to apply to those companies, when they could just work at McDonald's with far less effort? It destroys ambition on top it all.

tl;dr I was being kinda facetious. The "fight for fifteen" should've never happened, but now that it did, it's going to ruin more important industries.

>>11183302
>15$ minimum wage does not make sense for most of the country.
That's exactly what I was trying to say. A shithead at McDonald's or Burger King does not deserve to make the same as legitimate trades apprentices. Either give the labourers more money, or just axe the whole thing.

>>11183302
I think having a cheap car and a small apartment to yourself in exchange for 40 hours of work per week isn't asking too much. It was the norm two decades ago.

>>11183241
Hey retard, if you raise everyone's nominal income proportionally, the real increase will be negligible. You'll just get inflation.

>>11183215
London ontario fag here
I just stock up my 2/lb chicken breasts from nofrills/freshco/metro once a month and put them in the freezer

>>11183369
That's more than attainable outside of large expensive cities on minimum wage. $15/hr minimum wage makes sense for some cities. It does not make sense for smaller towns where an apartment easily costs less than $500/month.

>>11183215
>paying a living wage
>owners, refusing to let go of some of their pay checks, are passing on the costs to consumers letting their buisnesses fail.

I think I know who you should be mad at.

>>11183369
That's why education is important. That's why trade skills are important. That's why people tell you to follow your dreams and do anything to profit from that. Never to give up.

I agree, it isn't asking for too much. But it takes zero skill to make fast food and yet people want 15 dollars an hour for it? Get out of here with that non-sense.

>>11183375
And if you don't raise everyone's nominal income proportionally, then new jobseekers will have no incentive to aim for anything better than McDonald's, and the people who are already working in those industries will be bitter & angry that McDonald's workers are earning the same as them, at a fraction of the effort. Some of them might even say "fuck it" and go on to work at Walmart, McDonald's, etc.

They shouldn't have done this. Before the $15 wage, all we had were pissed off cashiers and frycooks, and what they think don't mean shit. Now we have many people with real jobs who are pissed that the cashiers and frycooks have got it their way.

Edmonchuck living in Utah for school rn. I miss the food back home. Why does the flyover state phenomena stop at the border? (Full respect for the Midwest in all regards other than food, nothing against these guys)

All other cultural norms in that strip from Alberta down to AZ seem consistent, except that as soon as you cross the border the food gets worse.

>>11183388
i know mister

the commies

>>11183396
If you want to get rid of the minimum wage, get your politicians to increase it to a level where every business would fail. People don't solve problems until there's a crisis. I'm not aware of any minimum wage being decreased anywhere, ever; the only way out is to increase it until the policy needs to be abolished.

Same deal with government debt. Increase debt until we can declare bankruptcy, so the credit rating is trashed and we can't get any more loans :^)

>>11183388
Even if you agree that min wage should be increased the timing isn't now.

where were these reforms when we were riding high on the oil hog?

NDP wants to enact sweeping champagne socialist policies and anti-business tax measures right when oil hits the crapper? you can't hit your economy coming AND going. This is going to be a deep hole to climb out of.

>>11183215
When they did that here, all the places reduced the hours of operation to the point where you couldn't get a fucking thing anywhere in town after like 11 pm, it was fucking shitty

>>11183452
That's where food trucks come into the conversation. The ones in my city take advantage of the fact that everything closes around 10 and they fucking make bank through the night and morning.

>>11183409
>>11183446
I live in austin where the cost of living is super high. No service workers can live here because of this so theres huge labor shortage in every service industry. No one can open a restaraunt because of this precarious labor market and the ones that are open have lines wrapping around the street corner. All of this hurts business and tax reveue overall overtime, but myopic buisness owners being the selfish hoarders they are, refuse to pay their workers more because of the hit they would take in the short term.

Contrary to popular belief, rich people put far less money into the economy than they take out compared to lower middle class and poor people. If we increase wages to match economic growth we can stabalize social security and other long term funding for infrastructure/education.

Poor little white Saskatchewan.

Imagine having the lowest wage in the country and being sandwiched between provinces with higher wages.

By the way, Alberta's minimum wage increases to $15 on October 1st.

>>11183475
>Contrary to popular belief, rich people put far less money into the economy
Not surprising. You get rich by making & saving money, not throwing it away.

Well, there goes my dreams of owning a restaurant.

I think I'll settle for a food truck.

>>11183475
Most funding that is supposed to go for education and universities always go to the sport department first. That's how it is and always will be.

College sports are a cash cow and that infrastructure will never change.

Social security is fucked if you live in the US. Say goodbye to it after our parents are dead. We're all fucked in that department.


It's really simple. Poor people need to exist to rich people because we're easier to control. It all comes down to power and control at the end of the day. Whether it's the boss of the restaurants or every fucking politician alive or literally every religion.

>>11183492
>Most funding that is supposed to go for education and universities always go to the sport department first. That's how it is and always will be.
That is kinda fucked up. I would much rather contribute to the sciences, because that's actually important.

>people would rather pay to see Chad & Tyrone throw a ball around, than Melvin & Urkel changing the world for the better

>>11183495
I totally 100% agree with you and it fucking sucks (I work at a uni) and other departments get funding through grants and donations. Rarely do they actually get they money leftover from what the sports department doesn't need. Sports will always thrive and be #1. Look at states like Texas and basically the midwest. They are fucking obsessed with high school and college football. It's pretty gross.

>>11183492
>be 26
>everyone else at my job is at least 15 years older than I am
>engineering manager and GM talking about social security and retirement fairly close to my desk
>to me: "they say the retirement age for your generation is probably going to be 72, anon"
>mfw I know SS will be gone before I'm 50 and I'll never know retirement
Thanks for being optimistic I guess?

>>11183518
This is just me, but I don't think I'll ever retire, even when I can. I actually hate doing nothing.

When all the college students were joking about ramen and mr noodle, I was eating sidekicks because better flavours. Now it's like damn few cents worth of powder and pasta, 90% of the price is the packaging. Pizza Pizza charges like $10 for 2 slices and a drink, meanwhile an entire medium walk-in is like $8, and a large is like $10. Chinese is like $30 for a couple dishes, everyone charges delivery, tip, taxes. price goes up like 30%. Swiss Chalet is like $15/person, but I can get a whole cooked chicken and wedges at sobeys for less (when you factor in tip etc,.) I do Kratky aquaponics in mason jar for herbs, etc,. I have 2 huge dehydrators, instant pot, and vacuum sealer. I make my own rice, pasta, soup, chili, etc,. Doesn't have to be boring either; Every country has dozens of rice dishes. Greek Lemon Pilaf, Indian Mint Pudina rice, Louisiana Dirty Rice, etc,. I also buy cash/carry wholesale, so 50/Lbs of most veg is like $15-20-25ish depending on season and stuff. So what I dont eat fresh, gets dehydrated vacpacked in jars. Can toss in instant pot, or take a jar and thermos on the go, for instant meals. I actually started eating a bit more plant-based to as it's cheaper. My friends tease me about the jars and call me grandma lol.

>>11183551
>Sobeys

It's shit I know I don't shop there often, but the fact you can get a whole coocked chicken and sides for the price of a single person meal at a restaraunt is just proof eating out is awfully inflated.

>>11183375
If inflation were caused by wage increases then we would not have experienced any inflation for many years now. Obviously we've experienced some rather serious inflation since the late 80's so what you said is categorically untrue. Inflation is based on a myriad of stimuli that have a lot more to do with centralized banking and trading as well as governmental monetary policy. While I still think $15 minimum wage is stupid, it's not because of inflation since that's not a significant factor at all.

Also worth noting I don't eat pizza pizza either; Last time I bought it was for a homeless girl. If someone bought me pizza pizza, I'd ask why they hate me. Lol

>>11183475
Since you seem to be so educated on the business of others, what cash do these owners have to pay additional wages or raises? If you think every business owner is just pocketing millions of dollars you're fucking stupid.

>>11183588
When you eat at a restaurant, you're not just paying for the food, you're paying for the service.

That's why buying your own food will always be cheaper. Even whole cooked chicken is cheaper because it's not being plated up and handed to you at the table.

On the subject of cooked chicken, most stores sell those at a loss. They're actually cooking chicken that's close to expiring, and instead of just wasting all that food, they just take a slight hit. Not all businesses are completely soulless. :^)

>>11183329

Why is everything so disproportionately expensive compared to the average wage? Like rent, food, etc has gone way up and wages have been relatively stagnant.

What the fuck, capitalism?? Dont get me wrong im aware that its the best system weve got but still, what went wrong?

>>11183617
maybe restaurants could save money by just handing me empty plates, that way their food cost is negligible and they only have to charge me for the service. Restaurant food is typically shoddy anyhow, and I don't think people go to restaurants for the food, they go for the company, hence the stigma against solitary diners.

>>11183681

No way.. Personally speaking, going out by myself to a tasting menu style joint and drinking wine and enjoying food by myself.

Eating alone rules

>>11183600
Artificial wage increases do cause inflation alongside those other causes. What is inflation? It is the rise of product costs and/or the reduction of spending power per unit of currency. When wages go up by $6/hour, then the cost of goods goes up as well to compensate for the increased labor costs. Unemployment increases as labor is now 70% more expensive. Output goes down as there is a smaller labor force. With less supply, relative demand is higher and prices go up even more. That is the definition of inflation.

Do they teach economics in school anymore or is it all "Theory of Gender-queer Quilting" now?

>>11183619
That's not the general trend, though. The cost of services and the cost of property have gone up, but everything else is cheaper.

>>11183691
>>11183691

Pretty sure a gallon of milk is much more expensive relative to the average wage than it was when literal boomers walked the earth. Plus what about education, rent, gas, etc?

I think minimum wage should reflect what it takes to minimally get by in society.. Like its a simple fact that some people arent able to achieve anything but the bare minimum and if theyre working, they shoukd at least be able to survive on 40hrs a week.

Idk what the answer is. Im a 4 year veteran of seattle where liberals ruin everything but lets not pretend it isnt an issue

>>11183619
>>11183691
he's right. And government red-tape has a lot to do with housing becoming more expensive. Basically houses (especially nice ones) are really expensive and time consuming to build and there aren't enough modern housesin/near big cities for everyone who wants to buy a house to do so. The prices go up as a result. You want cheap housing? Go away from big cities. Backwoods Florida, the Dakotas, Idaho, and Montana all have insanely cheap rents.

Food prices are way down, however. Not sure where that idea came from.l

>>11183687
In some cases, eating alone can get you seated a lot quicker.

>>11183719

Its almost as if you pay a premium to be where the action is or something..

And i get that. But then you run into the problem of driving the underclass who does all the menial shit ambitious people arent interested in doing..

Seattle rent is fucking insane, and everything from food to can rides are significantly more expensive than cleveland where i grew up.

The difference is opportunity and economic prosperity vs static destitution

>>11183718
The minimum wage is a slippery slope. When you force an employer to pay a certain wage, it may be higher than what he/she feels is appropriate for a low-skilled job, or higher than what the free market would normally dictate. If the employer is paying more for labor than necessary, then it is likely that he will either cut costs by employing less people, or respond by increasing prices.

And here's the other myth: If you live outside of a major city where rent is expensive, you can live on 40 hours a week at minimum wage. You get by. You live in the bad part of town, you get a roommate. It's the lazy people who can't hold a job or the delusional people who want to live in New York City on minimum wage who can't make it. It's simple economics - if a lot of people are competing to live in the same area, the people who can pay more will be able to live there.

tl;dr - If you can only work a minimum wage job, then move outside of the expensive big city to the suburbs.

>>11183369
it's called inflation

>>11183746

I absolutely agree with everything you said, read >>11183732 and we still wind up with issues

>>11183732
So what is the problem? It's not the minimum wage. It's the prohibitive zoning of city planners and the fact that nobody wants to work a trade or be in construction that drives housing prices up. Artificially increasing wages is just about the worst solution possible to this problem.

Build more buildings. Simple as.

This is another "muh stuff for free" argument that the liberals have been shilling in Seattle. I get it; they want to help the poor. They just suck at doing it and have no serious economists directing them.

And btw, the poor in America live better than half of the rest of the world. Your 'static destitution' isn't real. Our poor are well fed, have apartments, smartphones, computers, internet access, and amenities that other people could only dream of. Relative poverty =/= actual poverty.

If your business can't survive paying your workers a living wage, then you don't deserve to be in business.

every business can afford it.

>>11183782
Most local Chinese restaurants have stingy owners who make their kids do all the work for free because they can't afford to pay workers who know their rights.

>>11183782
the businesses that close down could afford it?

What's better: paying one person $15/hour and having 2 others go unemployed, or employing 3 people for $5/hour, tripling productivity?

>>11183775

>just because somebody has it worse than somebody else means the former’s grievances aren’t valid

Disregarding that part, you eventually run out of land to develop and have to buy out other land owners to tear down buildings before building new ones.

I guess what im trying to say is that in a booming economy, things will obviously get more expensive as theres more to go around and the aberage person will live like average people. But then there are people who are gonna get pushed out and the menial labor force gets routed.

I worked as a sous chef making 55k and lived comfortably but thats a specialized form of labor and i was working at a nice place. Comfortably means affording 1800/month rent and putting a couple hundred bucks every month in my roth IRA. Now imagine the person who has no special skills, theyre fucked.

And that sucks and like i said idk what there is to do about it but it seems off

>>11183215
Stop eating out or stop being poor.

>>11183796
You're really sidestepping that guy's main point, which is: if a $2/hr salary hike will put you out of business, you should not be in business.

You know, minimum wage baffles me.

There's no minimum wage for IT workers, engineers, or anything else like that; it's all determined by the employers, and the individuals with those skills.

You can't offer below market price for a job and expect a competent employee, because they'll go to a place that's at least offering market value for their skills.

It works in literally every other position than minimum wage jobs, why do we need to dictate what the minimum you're allowed to pay someone is?

If my neighbour is willing to work for $5 an hour, why shouldn't an employer be able to pay him that? People could, I don't know, advocate on their own behalf and negotiate their own fucking wages. This might have the side-effect of getting people to budget their lives to some degree too, so they can balance how much they value their time versus what they need to live.

>>11183329
The flip side to that is you subsidize the corporations who pay thier worker 7.25 an hour through taxes since those workers have to use food stamps to stay alive.

>>11183813
That is not what I wrote. Don't misconstrue my words.

Their grievances are not valid because they are the result of their own mismanagement. They can learn a skill, they can move out of the big city into a cheaper house, they can accept that they must live more frugally and take actions to do so.

They are mad because they are at the bottom of the barrel. They think they are impoverished because the people around them live better. Well that's everywhere isn't it? If you contribute less, then you will get less. That being said, America's poor are better off than the poor in any other place in the world at any time in history. Their quality of life will continue to increase as the country grows more prosperous, despite them having no special skills. So what are they complaining about really? Again, relative poverty =/= actual poverty

>>11183856
Spoken like someone that has never opened a business.

When businesses frequently don't make much profit the first few years, and you have to grow a customer base, it's not unlikely that a business can't pay proper wages; many offer things like stock options or equity in exchange for significantly reduced wages.

If, overnight, it costs 22% more to run your business due to government intervention, it doesn't mean you shouldn't be in business.

Imagine for a moment you own a business which requires you to work 100 hours a week, give or take, which isn't entirely unusual for a new business owner. Especially for a restaurant. Also, imagine that, with the total profits you come home with at the end of a year, you make less than minimum wage, which is also pretty common. Then in comes the government, and says that you're being unfair to your employees, and minimum wage is raising. To pay the increases in their wages, you have to take home a maximum of $3 an hour.

>>11183856
Why shouldn't you be in business?

>>11183215
>CEOs and higher ups salaries have sky rocketed over the last 20 years
>the every day persons wage had stagnated for 20 years
>somehow they convince us to be upset at the mcdonalds employee trying to live instead of the VP snorting coke out of a high end strippers asshole
Really gets my noggin joggin

>>11183215
>live in alberta

Stopped reading there

>>11183856
How is that a point? He is the supreme moral arbiter deciding who is deserving to open a business? Man it's those evil corporations always employing people! How dare they! Typical college student who mistakenly conflates profit-seeking with unabashed greed. That poster has probably never taken an economics class in his life. Raising wages artificially has serious consequences to everyone. It doesn't make the poor better off; it just makes the rich less rich.

>>11183869
I'm going to blow your mind here: Wal-Mart is lobbying to raise the minimum wage because it will drive mom and pop stores out of business due to increased labor costs, increasing Wal-Mart's market share. Now you realize that every self-righteous socialist was wrong about everything. You're welcome.

>>11183882
Spoken like someone who is used to taking it in the ass.
What minimum wage employee is going to be offered stock options or equity? Aside from maybe an employer-matched RRSP, which, good luck contributing to if you're making "$5/hr" as you say.
Yes, as a small business owner, you work your ass off, and probably don't turn a profit or get to pay yourself much money. This is the price you pay for the potential upsides of owning a business; no one forced you to run your own business. They are forcing you to pay your employees a living wage though, and if you don't think that's fair then no, you should not be in fucking business.

>>11183882

If you’re a chef/owner you pay yourself a salary and factor that into labor so even breaking even on a restaurant in the first couple years is remarkable.

It really sucks that you have to choose between creating a lazy, handout dependent lowest class and not having any sort of social safety net for those going through a rough patch.

I feel as if it should be left up to local governments to decide these things for themselves since there so much variance in city/state economies

>>11183865
>If my neighbour is willing to work for $5 an hour, why shouldn't an employer be able to pay him that?
You are literally retarded

>>11183959
>if two people willingly enter into a mutually consensual agreement I want the government to stop them!
I think you are the retard here

Is it all Trumps fault?

>>11183976
>this is your brain on libertardism

>>11183932
He isn't talking about minimum wage jobs, and yes that sort of thing happens frequently in startup companies. The cost and risk of starting a business are high, so by assuming all of the risk and investing all of the capital and time you deserve to be rewarded if it works out. Forcing businesses to pay higher wages only increase the risk and investment needed, making it less attractive and possible to open a new business, meaning less people have jobs.

Keep shilling your economically-illiterate argument. It's not moral or righteous: it's just plain wrong.

>>11183979
>>11183959
says the person who cannot rationally explain his position, instead resorting to name calling in two straight posts

>>11183991
>He isn't talking about minimum wage jobs
This is exactly my point though. Equity options are not offered to minimum wage workers. So your/his point is invalid since a minimum wage increase has no effect on the type of skilled hires you are talking about. I think you guys are getting confused...

>>11183977
No it's more lobbyists and a corrupt government for years building up a false economy. It will all come crashing down in the next 10 years I'm guessing.

>>11184026
Depending on the type of business you will still have to hire low skill workers. A minimum wage increase still has real consequences, even more so the smaller the business is. Don't disregard the main point of my post to get petty.

>>11184039
But... if you're running a business in which you have the necessity and enough startup capital to hire skilled workers, a $2/hr pay increase to those minimum wage employees should not put you out of business. That increase is an extra $4k per year, per full time employee (and I have to assume most of your min wage workers are not full time). Take it out of the salary of your postings for managers/tradesmen/engineers/whatever. Offer them some stock as you say. If you can't make that work, say it with me again: you. are. bad. at. business.

>>11183796
Restaurants often work on pretty slim margins. You tell me major chains are under paying, and yeah I'll agree.
But most restaurant owners I've met are middle class or so

>>11184079
If you think $4000 is an insignificant amount of money that can be given away then you will be poor the rest of your life, I can guarantee it.

I used to work in a bagel shop. There was the owner, me and 6 other employees total. You are telling me that a small business owner can take an artificial $28000 hit and sustain it without any consequences? The only companies that could sustain it are the super corporations that are already mega rich, with downsizing in many cases.

There is so much in this post that is economically illiterate I don't believe I can explain to you all of the basics and have you understand the argument without being face to face. You seem to want to make it more cost prohibitive to open a business in the interest of "fairness," without understanding the ramifications.

I recommend reading "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell or taking a course in macroeconomics at your local school. It will give you a new perspective.

>>11184135
The company I work for is small and local and just spent 28k on a new sheet metal roller. It really is about smart investments and budgeting.
Food is another animal and one of the bigger risks as a business

What about setting minimum wage based on company size. Under 500-1000 employees, or a couple dozen stores and Mininum is 9-10$.
As the company grows you end up nearer to 15$. As they start to actually benefit from economies of scale and brand recognition they're forced to pay more. Walmart will probably work you like a field slave to justify hiring you.

>>11184158
good for your company. what about everyone else? What about the entire food service industry? If your response to letting small businesses close and entire industries lose value is "they are bad at business lmao" then I really don't know what to say to you.

I would really love to crawl inside your brain and see what it's like being an average 100 IQ person for a day. Read that book.

>>11184193
What about everyone else? Study up if you want to run a business. I see retards opening restaurants in miserable locations all the time. I'd say 9/10 business failures are related to owner incompetence.
Also, get the dick out of your ass

>>11183690
Please do tell what the duck is an artificial wage increase and why it would be significantly different than an economic boom in a given area resulting in much higher wages? Of course some things change, but if you're trying to fucking argue with me that wage growth PERIOD causes inflation then go fucking back to renting with your parents you absolute child.

>>11184210
anecdotal evidence, failed insult. I really recommend picking up that book.

If so many business owners are incompetent and cannot handle a rising minimum wage then why would we raise it exactly?

You know what? Screw that book. Just look around you. Do you see a book? Any book. Just pick it up and start reading it. It will do you some good.

>>11183241
>retarded keynesian hasn't thought shit true
What a surprise

>>11184226
artificial wage increases are unsustainable and do not reflect the true value of labor in the given market making them unsustainable. Another is the result of a strong economy. Read the rest of the thread.

>>11183718
Why would society collectively create an arbitrary standard for private business owners to pay people? It's one thing to argue against potential abuses of the labor market, particularly in certain regions, but the moment you choose a standard that can be changed on a whim for paying people is the moment that the people just simply vote to own private businesses. Do not fall into that trap.

>>11183329
> I want price control
There's a magical thimg called the market which tends towards equillibrium when you just fucking leave it be for a minute.

>>11183369
Literally all caused by dumb shit meddling and price controls like the minimum wage

>>11184079
Every business should give me $1000 dollars. If they can't afford that, they are bad at business and deserve to go out of business.

>>11183388
In this guy's mind, every person who runs a business is a fat cat millionaire. In reality, the majority business owners, especially restaurant owners, are often drowning in debt, collecting NO paycheck (since it all goes back into the business) and barely able to keep their doors open. Fucking millennials

>>11184229
It's not anecdotal evidence, it's common sense. Retards try to start businesses every day and fail miserably. The ones who actually succeed, can handle a wage increase. Especially in the age of the fucking internet where most businesses hardly need more than a handful of employees at any given time.
But yeah keep jerking yourself off over some failed concept of capitalism, since that train left the fucking station years ago. We're experiencing its bastard child that most, including you and me, fail to really understand

>>11183856
>if you cant afford a $3 hike you shouldnt be in business
>wow cant afford 1 more dollar per hour for your wage slaves? You're obviously financially irresponsible
>all we are asking is for another lousy $2 an hour. I can't believe you cant even afford that
Itll never fucking end with people like this. They think every goddamned business owner and manager makes millions while their poor staff starves. Why dont we just outlaw small business while were at it since we are making the decision now that only mega corporations are allowed to fucking operate. When the FUCK did the left become the protectorates of the ultra rich?

>>11183475
>oh fuck the perpetual motion machine is going to crash give me your fucking money you greedy prudent self reliant pigs
Keynsians should be fucking hanged

>>11184241
There is no such thing as true value of labor. There never has been, and there never will be. Labor value arguments have never been able to actually come up with a coherent theory describing any such economic phenomena. The closest it would be would be a combination of current market equilibrium plus employer whim. Competition and government interference are the only two things that keep a certain baseline.

>>11184254
what you call common sense is a euphemism for anecdotal evidence.
>"I see retards opening restaurants in miserable locations all the time. I'd say 9/10 business failures are related to owner incompetence."
Find the statistics that point to 'owner incompetence' being the reason for 9/10 failed businesses.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why you think it a good thing to discourage business ownership and prevent people from working. The amount of bad words and insults that you use and the lack of substance in your posts should tell you that you ought to educate yourself more and perhaps reevaluate what you believe.

The book is "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell

>>11183369
>It was the norm two decades ago.
Imagine how fucked people are gonna be in another two decades when they look back on today fondly lmao

>>11184271
the value is determined by the free market: what employers are willing to pay for a certain job vs what workers demand. Your Marxist bullshit is not taken seriously in any economic circles

>>11184282
>Marxist bullshit
>promoting Value of Labor theory
Go back to school.

>>11184258
Keynes never argued something like this. It is only in the short run (during a recession) that Keynes argued that the govt should stimulate the economy to encourage spending instead of saving. And during a boom he argued the govt should do the opposite.

Keynes' actual arguments have been so thoroughly incorporated into the economic mainstream that almost all academic economists consider themselves "neo-Keynsian". The only holdouts were the "real business cycle" theorists like Milton Friedman who basically lost that argument due to the empirical evidence.

Now there are a lot of idiots who wrongfully say Keynes argued that the govt should permanently seek to stimulate the economy and encourage spending. This is simply the misuse of his ideas for political ends.

>>11184275
http://www.visualcapitalist.com/why-startups-fail-20-common-reasons/
You know google is available? You can just search anything now. It truly is impressive. Multiple sources out there too!
No one is preventing anyone from working, but you should have your shit together if you want to start a fuckin business you idiot

>>11184300
I just want to say its refreshing to see other folks understanding what Keynes was actually advocating. I dont agree with everything the man said but he never advocated the perpetual interference of government on the market and instead looked at the government as an additional means of investment for wealth creation ine economic downward spirals.

>>11183751
Inflation of prices is supposed to correspond with inflation of wages. It doesn't, but it's supposed to.

>>11183248
The singapore dollar is already pretty strong

>>11184300
I know, but he was still a fucking nigger even if he would call every single extant economic policy a gigantic shit show. I wonder did he realise the damage he'd do with this one funny trick.

>>11184300
He was still wrong when it comes to the long term, applying his policies sparingly still causes some serious fuckery.

>>11183241
>Let's double the minimum wage
>Then double everyone else's wage too
I hope you have a caretaker

>>11183475
>I live in austin
Stopped reading there.

I'm more concerned about why in the fuck are there so many goddamn cucked commie faggots on my /ck/?

>>11184961
Mostly because of the retarded vegans. But /ck/ is filled with redditors as well and God help us, fucking women.

Companies making record profits and all that is good, that keeps economy going and businesses will employ more people. Try to justify this though.

>>11183475
>I live in austin where the cost of living is super high
>No service workers can live here because of this so theres huge labor shortage in every service industry.
Driven by the housing market because everyone is making a mad dash for the cities.

>All of this hurts business and tax reveue overall overtime, but myopic buisness owners being the selfish hoarders they are, refuse to pay their workers more because of the hit they would take in the short term
>paying continuous sum of $15 to people who are likely to have no insensitive to stay when they could make a better wage else where

>Contrary to popular belief, rich people put far less money into the economy than they take out compared to lower middle class and poor people. If we increase wages to match economic growth we can stabalize social security and other long term funding for infrastructure/education.
See pic related

Red deer here, prices arent too bad

>>11184250

>In reality, the majority business owners, especially restaurant owners, are often drowning in debt, collecting NO paycheck (since it all goes back into the business) and barely able to keep their doors open

Then they shouldn't have a business. If you can't make a business a success, it shouldn't remain open.

>>11185022
Wow, such insight.

>>11185022

moron

>>11183215
>be American
>convert USD to Canada bucks
>go to Montreal and Quebec City
>food costs $15 to $30 a plate
>in USD that'd be roughly between $11 and $22 dollars
>stuff my face on high-end food that's pretty cheap
>hotel prices are cheap
>tourist locations are more or less free
>Quebec city is very pretty
>Montreal is very slutty
>waste the rest on duty-free store full of maple syrup themed booze and chocolates
>even bought a box of Cubans

>>11185052
Ok...nice blog faggot

>>11185058
Hey if you want a vacation spot, Quebec is a cheap option. Driving there is an option for anyone in NA.

>>11185073
I'm not giving Canada a cent of my money.

>I lift heavy things I should make more than fast food workers waah!

>>11183241
Im in a scratch kitchen at a retirement home. Our minimum wage jumped up from 10 to 14 and the company did nothing for us. Our union has been fighting for a year to get an increase to match inflation at 1%. Fuck you and your socialist minimum wage.

>>11183215
But anon, the uneducated immigrants who don't even try to learn the local language can't support the 8 kids they didn't plan on $12/hr so the entire country should pay for it

>>11183440
Right. So tank the economy and forxe people to lose their jobs, homes, and means of survivng

>>11185311
>low minimum wage
>company pays below market rate while welfare programs subsidize employees living expenses
>higher minimum wage
>companies still pay since they need employees but less living expenses are paid from welfare
Empirically higher minimum wages in USA and Canada haven't lead to loss of a bunch of jobs.

>>11183215
But anon, the uneducated immigrant families can't support the 8 kids they didn't plan with $12/hr, so the entire country should pay for it

>>11183241
>what is inflation?

>>11183746
Yes go live in a bad part of town and scrap by as a minimum wage earner.

>>11185327
AHAHAHAAHAHAHA he deleted his post, fuck conservatives are so stupid, they are like children who lose their queen because they took the first pawn they saw open. literally never thinking more than one step ahead.

>>11185327
My issue with minimum wage is that there's so much rhetoric in the US about it needing to be "liveable" for a family. If you are raising a family and you are still working a minimum wage job there is something very wrong, even if you're stuck at an end-of-the-road job you should have climbed to making $5-6 above minimum wage by the time you're old enough to have kids.
Higher minimum wages might be good to a point, but saying it needs to "liveable" and then pointing to a starving immigrant family with only one working parent as if it's evidence is stupid. Crocodile tears af

>>11185328
>be biologically successful
>faggot whitoids pay for it and cry on the internet instead of doing anything
"NO STOP NATURE AND WINNING IS BAD I LEARNED SO IN HOLOCAUST CLASS!"

>>11183959
Imagine for a second I’m unemployed right now. I’m quite frugal with my money, eat little, keep my costs on the low end, etc. I am quite easy to maintain financially. I am also a hard worker, averagely intelligent and quick to impress my employers. Now it’s true that having a job makes it easier to get a job, having gone through an unemployed stage of my life I know this is all too true, plus the memes of “why is there a break in your resume” you see all over 4chan. To get my foot in the door, I’d happily use any tactic, and if cost of my time was a bargaining chip I could use you’d be damn well sure I would. From there, I could secure the job, work my butt off in it whilst also spreading my resume to other areas. From here one of 3 things happens; either A) my boss recognises my worth and increases my wage to secure me, B) I get offered another job with an increased pay and I take it, or C) I use the offer from B as another bargaining chip to re-evaluate my wage with the current employer.

Basically Employees/employers should be allowed to negotiate wages among themselves without government intervention. The only exception should be children/<18, to which a minimum standard wage should be set (and be quite low) to stop employers taking advantage of. This job shouldn’t be your primary concern, but more some pocket money you earn after school whilst focusing on education.

>>11185445
Your point is so covered in meme language that it only makes sense in your own head.This is utterly unintelligible.

>>11185522
>frugal
>hard worker
>average intelligence
You're a fuckin' commie if you think most people actually fit these three criteria

>>11183885
>most of those CEOs live and store their money off shore, unaccessible to the government
the fuck is big daddy government supposed to do

I want /pol/ to go home

this thread is only tangentially food related

>>11185522
Its better to pay them less and take money directly from hard working people like you and give it to them as welfare.

>>11185522
Bitch boy keep working hard to pay for my foodstamps and free healthcare

>>11185022
>If you can't make a business a success, it shouldn't remain open.

"If you can't study well, go to a good school and secure a decent job, you don't deserve a good wage."

Sounds familiar, faggot?

>>11183302
This. I live in flyover land and minimum wage is $7.50/hr. I'm law enforcement and make $15.50/hr to regularly deal with people who try to either assault or kill me. Burger flippers do not deserve that amount of money. Anybody who is mad needs to learn a profession or shut the fuck up.

>>11183719
i live in montana and compared to the average wage here rent isnt exactly cheap unless you literally want to live in bumfuck nowhere

i pay 825 for a fucking 2 bedroom trailer 10 miles from the capital of montana and that is only for rent and doesnt cover any utilities.

and sure compared to seattle or whatever that seems cheap until you realize even people with well paying jobs are lucky to make more than 25$ an hour

>>11186255

Bro i make $16/hr as a line cook in cleveland.. what the fuck lol

>>11186255
lol i make $20ish/hr at ups and I dropped out of high school, get your shit together hillpiggy

>>11184998
Nobody was pretending the US wasn't a third world shithole

>>11186255
>a cop
Were you the bully or the victim in middle school because you were either one or the other. Now go plant some reefer in some guys car who had a good night at the casino so you can confiscate all his cash w/o charging him for a crime. Despicable.

>>11186933
desu potsmokers deserve to have their lives ruined and or executed

>>11184250
This is the jewish mantra lmao. If you don't even own a business and you are repeating these lies you are the biggest cuck imaginable

>>11183619
agenda 21

>>11183369
>It was the norm two decades ago.
Not working minimum wage it wasn't.

>waaah why can't I pay for a mortgage and a brand new car on a single, minimum wage income
This has literally never been possible. There are tons of blue collar fields literally screaming for new workers that pay double minimum wage or more but no one is going into them while these retarded niggers at 30 years old are trying to make a career out of jobs meant for 17 year olds.

>>11184256
>slibbery slobe :DDDD

Fucking moron.

Hey surprise maybe we wouldn't need a minimum wage if we didn't have a country filled with unionbreakers and allowed the workers to negotiate for their own wages.

Until then, you deserve a living wage for any amount of labor you give to make someone a profit. If you can't afford to pay your workers that, you do not deserve to be in business.

>>11183782
The month that the province of Ontario raised it's minimum wage to $14/hr, the economy shed 60k part time jobs...
Lots and lots of people out of work...cause it's the employee's responsibility to make what they need to survive, so that means if they need more money, they will have to develop a skill that'll sell...

>>11186993
A very quick search of those numbers shows there is little to no correlation between the two. Do you just read headlines?

>>11183215
>It costs nine dollars for a beer at the bar.
What's the problem with this?

I live in Sweden and the last time I ate out a beer cost me the equivalent of $13.24. It's just the way it is man.

>>11186992
>Until then, you deserve a living wage for any amount of labor you give to make someone a profit.
You literally fucking don't. You're not supposed to work at McDonald's for 20 goddamn years you're supposed to work there for 2-3 in highschool/college to prove you can show up somewhere on time and not make an ass of yourself so you can go get a real job. The actual issue is people think they're too good to do blue collar shit these days and it's either $9/h at McD's or $50/h in a cushy office job. They don't consider anything in between.

>>11187003
>13.24 for a fucking beer
That's horrendous, you can have a solid dinner for that much.

>>11187008
>You literally fucking don't.

That's a real big think, my dude. Not everyone has the opportunity, means,or even clean record to springboard off what you deem a shit job. Are these people doomed to a lifetime of working multiple jobs just to pay their rent? If you want to make that argument, then they should only have to work for as long as it takes them to pay their wages in profit; They'd be out of there in half a day.

>>11183215
Minimum wage where I live is $24 CAD/hr.
A beer is typically $12 CAD.

Yet new restaurants open up all the time, people still eat out for the experience, and businesses are encouraged to become more efficient in their processes to reduce labor costs.
So in the long run it's better for society.
Also there is no tipping culture here, since people are paid reasonably.

>>11186997
The studies aren't conclusive would be the better statement...this is because media in Canada, and yhe US too, are Liberal sympathizers...we we're going into a provincial election, and lots went unchecked to bolster the provincial Liberal agenda...

>>11187030
CAD like Canada? Which province or territory? That's bonkers.

>>11187008
It's just the cost of things here, man. A quarter pounder at most fast food joints is $8.20 to $10.50.

>>11187025
>Not everyone has the opportunity, means,or even clean record to springboard off what you deem a shit job.
>don't smoke weed
>don't be a felon
>sometimes even be a felon
>go to your local machine shop
>go to your local construction company
>plumbing company
>fab shop
>weld shop
>literally anything "dirty" or "hard labor"
"I'll work for ($1/h more than McDonalds is paying you) for six months if you promise me a $2 raise after that period"
Unless you're a total retard that can't show up to work and constantly fucks things up, you'll have a job within the first 10-20 places you go to. All of the above literally only care about two things.
>are you on drugs
>are you gonna cost me money by fucking shit up or losing a hand
Most only care if you're a felon or not if they have government contracts and literally can't hire you. If you've been clean for at least a couple years 90% of the places won't care as long as you stay clean.

>>11187025

It's no use arguing with sociopathic americans. They literally think the world will end if they can't get three big macs for a dollar or whatever.

>>11187030
The fuck you live making that as minimum? I'm in Ontario, minimum is now $14, /i make $26 at the shop, $32 on install plus expences...

>>11187036
so a conspiracy, then. Right-o. You'll be the first to the gulags.

>>11187045
What's the minimum wage like there?

>>11187050
I literally don'tknow why I'm doing this send help

>>11187048
I suppose I do have to concede that the dirty/hard labor stuff is largely due to a culture of those being "Shit jobs" that nobody wants to do.

>>11183215
Try earning more you lazy fuck

>>11187055
Not like they'll stuff me in an oven...it'll be a mini vacation for me...should I pack before I get shipped out?

>>11187057
I work min wage and I pull $1855 + $660 bonus after taxes.

A lot of min wage places will hire you at 50%, 75% or 80% so you get less though.

>>11187043
>>11187051

No province of Canada. I live in Norway, I provided numbers in CAD because OP talked about Alberta.
High minimum wages work fine, our unemployment rates are very low and society takes care of people.

I worked like 16hrs a week at a grocery store when I did my degree and as a result was able to save up a deposit and graduate without any student loans while living on my own.

It's amazing what's possible when you rig an economy in favor of the middle class.

>>11187088
Fast food jobs typically aren't full time in the US and Canada either.

Because the companies want the exact same gouging profits despite not needing them. They hold onto so much money and they make so much to begin with they have absolutely no need to act like they act budge an inch. McDonald's could stand to lose 1 billion in profits and stay at the exact same pace because they will always make money.

>>11187100
I don't work in fast food though

I don't even browse /ck/ normally I just saw this among the popular threads.

>>11187091
Noice. I paid my own tuition by working at a grocery store too, but I live with my parents.

>>11187091
god that sounds nice

>minimum wage doesn't increase
>prices go up
>minimum wage increases
>prices go up
>taxes decrease
>prices go up
>taxes increase
>prices go up
>price of oil goes down
>gas prices go up
>price of oil goes up
>gas prices go up

It's fun in leafland. We always find a way to blame some method of benefiting the public for the price increases, but we never get mad when price controls that would decrease the price of a good result in price increases. Learn to cook, friend.

>>11183215
>he goes to a bar to drink

That isn't what a bar is for...

>>11187091
You get alot of government cash influx from oil, and your're taxed to the tits...50% just on income tax? not counting any and all other taxes, like property tax, sales tax, fuel tax, sin taxes etc...

>>11187152
Do you think it's just a 50% flat tax across all income? Honest answer, please.

>>11183329
I get $20/h and literally sit at my desk shitposting on /v/ for most of the day. I do an hour or two of actual work then sneak out of work early.
Stay mad, constructioncuck

>>11183215
>waaaaaaa people are finally able to afford basic things

Grow up

>>11187159
No, it's not a flat tax...honest answer is that they call it a 'progressive tax,' a tax that increases % as your income increases...

>>11187152
Government gets some money from oil, true, but that's been stashed in a literal trust fund over the last few years. Pretty much all government spending is tax financed.

But they have the same system of high minimum wages negotiated by workers and business unions across most of Scandinavia.
However, the cost of living is a little lower elsewhere, so the purchasing power of a typical minimum wage salary is about the same.

As for taxes; Right now the first 12500CAD of earned income are tax free. I have an average salary and I pay ~25% atm (if I had children it would be lower).
I pay a 0.2% property tax on my flat, and there is no inheritance tax.

>>11184282
>free market
>labor market
choose one

>>11183518
>increase min wage
>now more money fueling into social security
>problem fixes itself

Whoa... not hard

>>11183518
>actually relying on SS for more than booze money in retirement or maybe as a monthly payment for a "toy" (boat/car)
Never gonna make it.

>>11183486
It's a lot easier to save money when basic and minimum necessities aren't your entire paycheck

>>11187229
inb4 some retarded boomer says that a cellphone/computer and rent in a city is wasting money and the reason people can't save

>>11186255
I wouldn't be a cop tbqh, but I sure as shit wouldn't be one for 15.50 an hour

>>11187261
You just made the statement yourself Doofy...you own it...

>>11187261
desu most people don't need a data plan, unless that's their only internet. Really, the biggest thing I've seen with people having no money is they never cook for themselves.
>you have $20
>do you
>A: Buy McDonalds for two days every meal
>B: Make a big pot of curry or soup and eat for five days


>b-but I don't want to eat the same thing for every meal!
Tough shit, people at the same shit every day their whole lives only changing when shit went out of season until like 120 years ago.

>>11186255
I feel less safe knowing a mouth breather like you can legally shoot me for looking at him the wrong way

>>11184404
SGD is slightly weaker than CAD. They're almost equal.

Once SGD overtakes CAD, we'll be seen as that country with a shittier economy than some Asian shithole that gets upset over gum.

>>11186255
Imagine actually becoming a pig, just imagine it.

>>11187300
In Ontario last year there was a one day only sale on data plans. $50/mo for 10 Gb, unlimited texting etc. That's the only reason I have data. I literally never run out no matter what I do.
>SO cash

>>11187300
>be me
>make over 100k
>no data plan
>make big pots of food
feels good man

>>11183241
No one derserves to be scrapping by to live.
Fix the rent issue as well

>>11187329
>Be you
>Lies about your income
>Lies about being on a 'family plan' phone contract
>Expects 4chan to believe what you are saying
>Uses outdated meme to finish
Well, since I responded this is your's I guess.......

>>11186255
I make more than you holy shit

>>11186990
>implying getting those jobs is even possible
They always visa/illegal immigrants out of those jobs because they work for pennies.

>>11183486
>saving money makes it disappear
Where exactly do you think the banks get the money to provide business and startup loans?

>>11187317
>Asian shithole
>globally significant finance and trade hub and city-state
Choose one.

>>11183751
Inflation is an increase in money supply.
The lowering of the standard of living is a symptom of inflation amongst other things.

>>11183381
I usually buy my meat from trails end, but with gas being so fucking expensive the trip isn't even worth it anymore

Itt

>be a good worker bee slave goyim now get back to work the boss shlomo needs a new condo in Florida

>>11186990
This. My boss recently (after years of trying) got approved to raise the starting pay to $17 an hour because he couldnt get anyone to stick around for $15 an hour. The work was "to hard".
Work ethic has really taken a dive.

>>11187476
Wow two whole shekels you should thank your boss for being so generous

>>11183215
>live in alberta
>get money for free just because you live in alberta
Isn't that a thing because you've got oil?

>>11187476
What kind of job. And yea, work ethic is a thing of the past.
>>11186255
>tfw work gas station in Aus
>make $18.50USD/hr
Admittedly our cost of living is much MUCH higher but still whew

>>11187365
>be pathetic poorfag
>insist everyone else is as pathetic as you

>>11187377
Not true in the fucking slightest.

>>11187485
An extra two bucks an hour is not bad. And he bumped my pay up an extra $5 and hour. So... yeah, i was happy.

>>11187496
>what kind of job
food production (one of the big pizza chains). Nothing fun but im making $40k a year before overtime.

>bottom of the barrel skill-level workers clamor for minimum wage increase
>companies raise standards to justify paying more
>less hires overall, same zero skil level employees no longer employed for their half assed work ethic and general uselessness
>less hours
>they all get replaced by automation anyway
absolutely based

>>11187485
Thats what I actually got from my Boss about 6 months back...and I make good money, so now I'm making better money ...
I have learned from you jewshit, and I walk as you, talk as you, behave as you...I am the jew...
I quit the job, and moved onto smaller shop, more monies, and closer to home (though it was a big drive too...60km one way...
25 years ago, I got called into my bosses office, my annual performance review...most things are good, I'm one of the few to get an actual 'raise', we all recievied a cost od living increase based on level of inflation...
He offered $0.06/hr as my raise...I pushed the paper back over to his side of the desk, told him I thought he prolly needed the cash more than I did, and I had just married, and had two very young children...and a greater than 80km commute to work, and the very same back home...

>>11187476
>Work ethic has really taken a dive.
It has.
>guy at work constantly bitches that he's "not a machine" and can't "keep that pace ALL day"
>he's a button pusher in a CNC shop
Dude can't maintain 25 parts an hour on something that can easily be loaded and run in under two minutes because he's constantly on his phone or just moving like he's 80. Not even a 20 year old or anything, dude is in his 50's and has been working there forever.

>>11187591
>$0.06/hr
fuck that must pushed you pretty close to that fucking edge. Thats an insult.

>>11183241
Here's a solution, tax immigrants 100% more than currently and reduce natives by 75%, problem solved

>>11187591
>$0.06/hr
T-that's a typo right?

>>11187596
i work with a bunch of pretty cool 20-30 year olds, and one fucking lazy loser ~50 year old who bitches and whines and fucks the dog all day long
i don't understand the millennial meme

>>11187596
Not a good sign desu...I'm a cabinetmaker, and I have to keep the pace all day...I'm 53 btw...I've been a cabinetmaker for over 27 years now...

>>11187603
>>11187615
Edge? No...Typo? No...
I decided I had to do better...mind you, I had pretty good experience at that time, but the economy sucked, 1982, 83...

>>11187618
>>11187617
He's all pissy because he's been working there "Since the beginning!" (15 years) and the owner doesn't want to give him raises anymore. He's at like $14/h or so right now. Loyalty should be rewarded but in 15 years he's gained four months of experience if you know what I mean. It's a pretty small company and he makes most of his profit by undercutting the competition because all of the machines are owned outright so there's not a lot of room to pay us big wages for no reason. Especially when that's the kind of effort the dude puts in.

>just recently he was supposed to debur some holes in these aluminum parts
>pretty thin, like 3/16" thick
>he pushed the countersink halfway through the part and at a 20 degree sideways angle on most of them
>so the 4-5 threads the part was supposed to have turned into 1-2 with a countersink that was way off center
>he did EVERY hole on EVERY piece of a like 40 part order like this

>>11187660
I get what your saying, and I don't on the rest...

>>11187660
when you're telling work stories to people who aren't in your industry, you don't need to get so specific
we don't know what you're talking about, nor do we care

>>11187671
>>11187684
He did a really big mistake on a basic process, the kind you expect from someone that's been working for a week, not 15 years.

>>11183241
>I have no savings or investments

>>11187071
>Work harder, faster and more efficiently
>Get more work as a reward
I wonder why millennials are lazy

>>11187923
>everyone should slave their life away for muh friendly neighborhood (((overlords))) cause muh "progress" and ""growth"
Lol, good goy!

>>11183215
This makes me wonder, how much the owner makes per hour?

In average, how much does the owner of a Canadian restaurant makes per month and how much do the employees make?

>>11186977
Yes it was
College tuition was 150$ in the fucking 70s anon

>>11183389
We still need service workers, we still need construction workers. If they are told their jobs are meaningless and nobody does them where the fuck will we be
>>11183387
Cities still need those jobs.
These jobs are everywhere but if you say they can't be done in the cities due to artificial inflation done by the banks then you're shooting yourself in the foot in the name of the guy fucking you in the ass

>>11183612
No, don't be stupid they aren't pocketing millions. They're picketing billions

What the fuck is Amazon's founder going to do with 150+ billion fucking dollars. He's going to horde it. You know what he's saying? He wants his workers to wake up with fear because "it's a good motivator"
Billionaires shouldn't exist. They should always be taxed to the point where maybe just 10 billion dollars Is the max amount you can own.

>>11183215
NOOOOO, I CANT AFFORD ENOUGH OF MUH BEERS
MAYBE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD HOUSING NOW, BUT WHAT ABOUT MUH BEER???

This is why we need UBI. Everyone gets gibs, and employers can pay wages in nickels per hour if they want to.

>>11187591
... stop .... carpetbombing ... ellipses .... like ... an ... attention ... whore ... with .... a .... room .... temp ... iq ....
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..
.....

>>11183241
everyone deserves a livable wage.

>>11186213
good != livable. everyone deserves a livable wage.

>>11184244
This is the only statement that matters. Everyone is always trying to manipulate and control something which is just going to make things worse later.

>>11184256
You forgot when we did increase their minimum wage to what they wanted they moaned and complained that they no longer qualified for free housing.

>>11188587
>You forgot when we did increase their minimum wage to what they wanted they moaned and complained that they no longer qualified for free housing.

So you think it's better that the tax payers should pay for their housing?
You can't be serious...

>>11188341
why do people say such stupid things

>>11186255
I make $0.50 less than you for the lowest effort job I've ever had. Hahahaha hahahaha haha retard.

>>11186255
cops should make 0

>>11183387
In Grande Prairie a bachelor/studio apartment alone costs $850+, and that's not even including utilities and other bills. GP is a fucking joke of a city; the living costs here are absurd.

>>11188784
>So you think it's better that the tax payers should pay for their housing?
How did you draw that conclusion?

The point is that we shouldn't have increased the minimum wage in the first place. It's never ending entitlement. "Fix" one thing and then there's another that they will complain about.

>>11189114
that's how you end up with insane police corruption, like in Mexico. When the city or state isn't paying you then guess who will? Organized crime and cartels.

>>11188080
>College tuition was 150$ in the fucking 70s anon
We're not talking about tuition, we're talking about a fucking mortgage and car payment.

>>11183215
I worked at a mildly popular restaurant during university in Edmonton, and i am sure over all my time there including tips it was over $20 an hour.
One waitress i became friends with told me she makes about 60k a year
I dont see why this wage increase helps anyone but wagies in fast food

In reality:
>Increasing minimum wage to $15 would only increase food prices by a few cents
>Food industry giants get together their pseudo monopoly and all agree to increase their prices together and pretend its their only way to make ends meet with the new minimum wage
>Normies fall for it and businesses make even more than before

>minimum wage should stay the same forever
>companies should keep increasing their costs to chase endlessly expanding profit horizons
makes sense

>>11187048
This is the most boomer post ever. That shit doesnt work anymore. Even the smallest mom and pop company does hiring online now. They don't care that you're right there ready to work. So is everyone else who applied in the hundreds/thousands. That means they get to pick and choose the most (over)qualified person they want instead of the olden days where they had to take whatever showed up. Now theres so much competition for unskilled and even skilled labor due to the college boom than almost all jobs are seen as expendable.

>>11190435
>Now theres so much competition for unskilled and even skilled labor due to the college boom than almost all jobs are seen as expendable.
Did you even read my post? The college boom was all STEM fields and shit, no one has gone into most of the trades for almost two decades. Unless there's some huge place that hires half the town, no, there's not hundreds of applicants to any of those places except maybe the weld shops or construction.

>>11183551
10$ for 2 slices wtf? its 5$ here in QUEERbec

>>11183241
>just gib eberyone moar munee

>>11184172
Corporations run the government, they'd literally never allow this.

>>11183215
Min wage is 11$ here in NS. Many jobs pay min or close, including trades and stuff. Rent and eating out is actually more expensive here than Alta. Lol