/ck/ - Food & Cooking

I'm vegan

i'm also vegan

>>10905338
myoglobin reacts with oxygen to turn meat red then over time turns off red when it turns into metmyoglobin , youre not fooling anyone dumbass.

a hypothetical i've always wanted to ask a vegan:

let's say you are protesting a zoo that's keeping a lion in captivity. your efforts are successful, and the zoo agrees to free the lion back into the wild, but there's a catch. they give the lion to you and tell you it's your job to get it back to the wild. it's going to need to eat before you can get it home. how do you ethically get meat for the lion?

>>10905460
Nice desert island equation

>>10905468
why are vegan """"""""people""""""" always so determined to ruin the health of their pets/children?

>>10905468
It's a valid problem, what do you do about animals which are carnivores? Surely, most vegans would say they want animals to multiply and prosper, but what about animals that don't eat grass like them?

>>10905479
they are mentally damaged before they adopt the flawed diet, and then further damaged by the diet.

You see a runaway trolley moving toward 15 tied-up (or otherwise incapacitated) antelope on the tracks. You are standing next to a lever that controls a switch. If you pull the lever, the trolley will be redirected onto a side track and the animals on the main track will be saved. However, there is a single lion lying on the side track. You have two choices:

>Do nothing and allow the trolley to kill the 15 antelope on the main track. The Lion will then proceed to feed on the carcasses for a year.
>Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill the lion, saving not only the 15 antelope but also any future kills of the lion.

Does the right of a single lion to survive outweigh the rights of the hundreds of antelope?

If vegans want to have vegan pets, they must get herbvivorous pet. Otherwise it's animal abuse and it's contradictory to their ethic. End.

>>10905336
>>10905338
So weird! I'm a vegan too!
>>10905460
You would have to kill. Lions eat meat, they can't live off a vegan diet. We don't have to eat eat meat and can live off a vegan diet.
>>10905506
Guess I'll kill the lion because there's only one.

Where do I sign up to join this cult and will my soul be liberated when the great one cometh?

>>10905551
We can also eat meat and dont have to live off a vegan diet. I dont care if animals die for my sustenance, i am the apex predator, i will decide what lives and dies.

>>10905551
>Kill the more endangered species because there's only one

>A&W sells out of beyond meat burgers in one day
>On July 9, fast-food giant A&W launched the Beyond Burger in nearly 1,000 of its Canadian locations. The response was overwhelmingly positive, with stores simply unable to keep up with the demand.
https://www.livekindly.co/aw-sell-out-vegan-beyond-burgers/

>>10905570
>Youtuber Nikole, of HealthNut Nutrition, added, “It was delicious. Like hands down my like go-to burger.”
>Like hands down my like
What even is this bitch saying?

I'd try that, though.

>>10905565
Doesn't effect the question unless that knowledge was given.

>>10905241
>>Love earth
That seems incompatible with posting online. Especially frivolous shitposting.

Are you guys unaware of the massive environmental harm created by mining the minerals used to make computer chips, LCD screens, and even worse: rechargeable batteries for portable devices? Or do you just not care?

>>10905580
>I don't know anything about animals, but let's save them anyway

>>10905581
>He doesn't use an eco-friendly potato to shitpost on the internet
Get a load of this faggot

>>10905581
And where do you want it to stop? Not just for vegans but anyone who would like to be environmentally conscious. Should it stop at just computers or do you want to get rid of refrigerators too?
>>10905584
Do I need knowledge of every animals population or do you just require lion knowledge?

>>10905596
I expect a degree in zoo animal-ology or else you're just another person who heard something about helping animals and saving the earth and you don't know whether or not animals even actually exist and we're all being fed meat from a giant meatball in space that's being constantly ground by a giant meatgrinder in space.

All that aside probably the best way to pick if X or Y should die is to consider not the numbers but how 'valuable' the species is which is something you get from wikipedia and then have no fucking clue what it's trying to say because some people are saying some antelope are endangered then these other ones aren't and who got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and made you death tram operator today?

Sorry, only pork for mee.

>>10905596
>And where do you want it to stop?
Depends on the benefit vs. the harm of the application rather than the type of the device. The harm may or may not be justified depending on what the device is used for. I'm sure that most of us agree that the pollution generated by an ambulance is justified given the lives it saves, whereas the same cannot be said for a cell phone used exclusively for frivolous things like inane chats, games, shitposts, and instabook.

Same idea applies to vegan diets, really. I'd argue there is a lot less harm generated by killing a cow for meat than there is generated to make a highly complex industrial meat replacement product like pic related. Sure there is no dead cow involved, but imagine how much pollution is generated by producing and transporting all the various ingredients in this pic.

>>10905460
A better series of questions is this:

As a vegan, do you oppose pets (or """"""""animal companions""""""" as some vegans/PETAphiles call them)?
If yes, what about service animals for the blind/disabled? (see far below for more on this branch of questions)
If no, would a hen be an appropriate pet/companion (have yet to meet a vegan who says 'no' to this)?
If hens are okay as pets/companions, you know the hen will lay eggs no matter what you do, right? Without a cockerel around to fertilise it, those eggs can never become chicks. Depending on the breed, the hen might never go broody (meaning wanting to care for the egg, even if it isn't fertilised). In many cases, hens just drop eggs mid-walk, not caring that they've done it. As a vegan, you know the hen is loved, well cared for and has the highest quality life possible to her. Would it be okay to eat those eggs? Why or why not?

Disabled/blind question: if no, what do you want blind/disabled people to do instead?
No gotcha question here. I know veganism isn't about the complete abolishment of animal work and byproducts but the reduction of their use to as close to zero as possible. I'm genuinely interested in vegan views on these scenarios.

That said, I'm a meat minimalist. Compared to the common western diet, I eat very, very little meat. As an example, given a freezer, one whole chicken would last me roughly 3 months, I eat such a small amount of meat. I do, however, eat eggs and dairy quite a lot, at least three litres of milk in a week.

>>10905635
I've met a handful of vegans that do indeed oppose pets. They also oppose service animals for the disabled of any flavor, whether that be a guide dog for the blind or an "emotional support animal" for someone with a mental condition. Their argument is that human beings should assist the disabled (after all, aren't people bitching about not being able to find jobs?).

>>10905611
And I guess you have a degree in zoology?
>All that aside probably the best way to pick if X or Y should die is to consider not the numbers but how 'valuable'
Understand the trolley problem and also know that there's more than one answer. And never the case of who is on the track, but how many.

>>10905627
>Egg, milk.
>vegan
I don't know statistically on the harm to the environment to produced that over cattle. But the rest I agree with rest to an extent for anyone who wants to be environmentally conscious.

An alkaline/electric plant-based lifestyle is one that is based on the methodology and protocols of Dr. Sebi. This includes the consumption of natural whole plant foods the create the least amount of mucus in the body, including vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, nuts and seeds. As the name implies, it is a lifestyle with natural plant foods as the focus rather than a processed food or animal-based diet. Processed and animal-based more accurately describe the diet of westernized societies and this type of food consumption creates a very acidic pH and has grave consequences overtime.

here's a desert island for you vegans:

you're stranded in an desert island, there is a crate of MRE's there with you and they can keep you alive for three months.

the MRE's contain animal products. would you eat them or starve to death?

>>10905658
I've met them, too. Who pays that blind/disabled/elderly person's helper's salary? Most people in that category don't have the sort of income to afford someone for that. In many situations, the NHS or insurance won't cover that sort of thing. If they would, that would increase costs on all people, which ultimately would be quite unpopular (even though the increase per person would probably only be by pocket change per year). Or do they mean neighbours and friends of the blind/disabled/elderly guy should help him out of the kindness of their heart? It's a nice thought to have friends/neighbours care for such a person, but ultimately unrealistic. And if they think it is realistic, the conversation needs to end there because this particular vegan person is delusional and further discussion will just be inconsequential mouthfarts, worth less than the breath used to utter it.

Now, while those weren't "gotcha!" questions, this one is: what about bees?
You know farms need to hire bees from apiaries to get their fruits and veg to do what they do, right? Even vegans benefit from bee """"""""slave labour."""""""" The only way for large-scale farming to work efficently, the type that affords you the luxury of having a non-agrarian lifestyle, is to """"""""exploit"""""""" bees.

>>10905338
nice, the after pic looks hella good

>>10905713
Dr. Sebi established a new standard in how we approach and select foods. Most often an alkaline/electric plant-based lifestyle is referring to one that is 100% plants and as we have learned in Dr. Sebi’s lectures he even advocated the use of the black bee honey in both medicinal and nutritional consumption. An alkaline/electric plant based lifestyle also focuses on the use of electric herbs to aid the body in healing and restoring itself from an acidic pH to one that is alkaline.

hello where are the vegan recipes

im new please assist

>>10905713
>Who pays that blind/disabled/elderly person's helper's salary?
They don't think that far. I'm sure the answer would be that "they" can do it, without ever specifying who "they" are. It's basically saying "it's not my problem".

>>Bees
That's not much of a gotcha question. Only some plants require pollination, so a vegan could conceivably avoid those specific ones. Pollination is not a universal need for all crops, it's mainly limited to fruits, and even then it's only certain fruits.

>> because this particular vegan person is delusional
IMHO most vegans are delusional.

>>10905744
Lisa Lopez, a.k.a Left Eye, was the reason for me learning about Dr. Sebi, but that was some time ago. PAIN of all types, foggy brain, blurred vision, severe problem retaining information I am trying desperately to learn, depression, anger and sadness has taken over my life and I asked the CREATOR to please help me find true healing. I have been viewing Dr. Sebi on YouTube for a week now and even sent an email to his advocates for help/guidance.

>>10905705
Eat them. At that point it's survival not like right now where its a choice.>>10905730
>>10905730
https://wellvegan.com/
https://minimalistbaker.com/
They have some basic stuff. Like most people suggestion, middle-east, southeast Asian food have a lot of vegan food options

>>10905751
I wanna eat like this for the rest of my life. I’m in desperate need of recipes. I mostly eat fried quinoa with onions and vegetables or kale and beans. But thats getting boring. I need recipes.

>>10905760
>middle-east, southeast Asian
I would start with these. The two sites above also have interesting stuff for pastas, burgers, tacos, breakfast, deserts, etc.

>>10905768
im vegan but i found out foods that i cant eat now and its confusing lil bit i cant get hempseeds i eat chia seed every day and i have only 50 dollars per week but i get som extra money for nuts seeds grains. can i manage this diet on 50 dollar budget?

>>10905777
I don't know how much things cost in your area, but if you can get all your nutrients (macros, mircos) and live a satisfying diet I'll go for it. But it doesn't sound like to me you've been a vegan or even vegetarian for very long. Take it slow.

>>10905777
>and its confusing
What's confusing exactly? Cook from scratch, don't buy animal products. Seems pretty simple.

If it's the "cooking from scratch" part that's new to you, then I suggest checking out Indian cooking. They have a ton of vegetarian recipes that are easily made vegan by subbing out the ghee for vegetable oil.

Does anyone else find the whole idea of lactovegetarianism an oxyfuckingmoron?
Dairy cows give milk because they're pregnat or have given birth. The calf, if male, is then sold for veal. As a lactovegetarian, you are supporting the meat industry.

While I've never met just an ovovegetarian, it seems a less problematic diet. Of course, if you're getting supermarket eggs, that's a problem, but keeping a hen or two as pets is nice. They have varying personalities like other birds and if raised properly, love attention and cuddles. Plus they lay eggs and don't care if you eat them. There's really no moral dilemma here unless you're against pets or something.

>>10905808
>lactovegetarianism
I never heard of a lacto-veg. I thought vegetarians are able to drink milk anyways.

My fiance always jokes that I act too white when I say something like "Beef causes cancer," and I understand that Veganism is seen as too white, it's the same issue I see with Veganism being seen as too feminine, so if you are a male vegan, you are often ridiculed to hell and back for it. It's not OK, but society is a bitch like that.

>>10905808
>As a lactovegetarian, you are supporting the meat industry.
You're assuming that its impossible for someone to buy dairy products that don't come from farms that participate in that practice. Sure, you need to avoid standard grocery store milk, but there are alternatives that do not support the meat industry.

>>10905828
lift weights

>>10905835
I think I've had enough milk in general, although some of the vegetable juices are thick like that, so I'm not even sure what distinguishes a milk from a juice (except I can tolerate juice better when I cook it myself). Before this I'd tried oat milk mixed with brandy, which is pretty good (but I don't drink alcohol now, and never did much drinking as such). Tonight I had a freshly pressed pot full of carrot juice mixed with cinnamon and brown sugar (and that's as good or better than a hot milk chocolate drink, methinks).

>>10905828
>Beef causes cancer
Why would you say something idiotic like that?

And better yet, how is it possible that someone is willing to marry you when you are the perfect caricature of the reporter here? Do they simply not care that you distort a fact into a grossly hyperbolized farce?

>>10905856
>I'm not even sure what distinguishes a milk from a juice
Milk comes from a breast.
Juice doesn't.

>>10905835
>do not support the meat industry.

Do you know why vegans annoy people? Because they have this while holier-than-thou act while being completely anti-human. You are satisfying in an indirect, false way, your lust to be superior. Either satisfy it in a direct and honorable way, saying "I hate you all, liars and swine, and am out to set upon you", or start eating like a normal human. It's the falsity that I can't bear. I wouldn't care if you were six times a murderer, so long as you said to yourself: "I am this". The enemy of all mankind, you are, full of the lust of enmity. It is not the hatred of suffering which inspires you. It is the hatred of people, of flesh and blood. It is a perverted, mental blood-lust. Why don't you own it.

literally the only reason i am vegan is because i want a vegan wife. A girl being vegan proves she has convinctions.

don't give a fuck about animals lmao who cares. billions of animals die all the time in the wild

>>10905872
Aren't there other ways of finding a person with convictions? You know, ones that aren't the product of a mental disease?

>>10905870
>start eating like a normal human
but veganism will be eating like a normal human being in 20 years or so

>>10905881
What alternatives do you propose?

>>10905882
Nah, it's going to remain a rich white person fad.

Most of the world is far too poor to be able to reject animal protein, which is why they consider vegans to be a silly novelty.

>>10905872
idk a vegan woman is probably a slut
the veganism is just a way to compensate for the feelings of guilt

>>10905881
>Aren't there other ways of finding a person with convictions
not really, cant think of any. not engaging in consumerism i guess but that goes hand in hand with veganism

>>10905893
>a vegan woman is probably a slut
probably but most women are sluts so what are you gonna do

>>10905570
WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME ABOUT THIS FUUCCVKKKKK
I've been waiting to try that thing for years, they never have it in Canada. I wonder if they'll have them tomorrow

>>10905886
>What alternatives do you propose?

someone who is an activist or advocate for a political, enviornmental, or social issue (ideally one that you agree with). someone who is highly dedicated to something--could be a sport, could be a musical instrument, could be dance, or hell, even someone with a very strict upbringing in manners though that might be difficult to find depending on what your social circle is like. also, someone who is highly successful in business and ideally owns their own.

>>10905894
veganism is the most consumerist fad out there, it literally only happens in the richest, whitest and american communities

Honestly I wouldnt mind being Vegan and especially wouldnt mind being Lacto/Ovo Vegetarian.

My biggest hurdle is fomo, I know its just a mental block to get over but I like traveling.

>>10905894
>not engaging in consumerism i guess but that goes hand in hand with veganism

thanks for the chuckle, mate. I needed ag ood laugh.

>>10905922
being vegan doesn't mean you have to buy into the 100kcal per serving "le super green and healthy" processed shit you see in supermarkets

>>10905915
Newsflash: veganism is for the privileged. But privilege isn’t always financial. If you’re living such a safe, supported life that you can put the needs of animals before the needs of your community, that’s a privilege.

How can we ask a black teen to fight for animal rights when she’s still getting followed trough department stores? And isn’t it reasonable for someone to care more about systematic imprisonment of males in their community that the welfare of circus animals?

Racism is exhausting. When black people don’t have a basic sense of wellbeing, they can’t care for the wellbeing of others. Until we live in a post-racial society, encouraging African Americans to fight for animal rights when our own welfare is questionable is a strange order of operations.

My suggestion: don’t promote veganism to communities of color from an animal rights perspective alone. Encouraging black people to go vegan “for the animals” might show just how disconnected you are from the black experience.

Lead with health benefits instead. Every African American has an uncle with high blood pressure or a diabetic grandmother, so highlighting veganism as a panacea will be better received.

>>10905932
how about focusing on stuff that actually matters, i.e. humans

>>10905930
Agreed, though to an awful lot of vegans it does mean that. And when you consider that many vegans don't even care about their own diet but only do it to show off and virtue signal then the statement becomes hilarious. I'm not saying that all vegans are consumerists, but many of them are. They proudly wear clothes with vegan slogans. They decorate their cars with vegan-themed stickers. They spend hours showing off on social media about the latest vegan products they bought. It even goes well beyond food--perhaps you've seen ladies showing off their latest animal-cruelty-free beauty products on Instagram?

>>10905241
Why are vegans so stupid?

I just wanted a comfy thread...

>>10905947
i dont have an instagram nor do I know vegans that are as you describe however I do acknowledge that they exist and are harmful to the cause

same problem as a lot of the people involved in left politics as well obviously

>>10905950
Stupidity is a prerequisite for any religion or cult that ignores logic and instead tries to force gray areas into black-and-white.

I am vegan, several years ago i was vegetarian, I live in Prague, my parents live in Asia, when I pay a visit to my parents for a month I told him about vegetarian, he was very sad, so I began to be meat eater. But when I came back to Prague I began to be a vegetarian, and now I am vegan. I don't know, how to say to my father....Has somebody problem like this?

A place in my city sells really good vegan thai curry
Anyone have a good recipe?

>>10905967
I love watching Jordan Peterson too!! MAGAPEDES!!!

>>10905932
>Lead with health benefits instead.
The problem with this is that anyone with half a brain will realize that the "health benefits" aren't exclusive to a *vegan* diet, and then the proselytizing vegan is revealed as the charlatan that he is.

>>10905976
I don't even know who that is, sorry.
I can't be bothered to click on your thumbnail--I'm betting that it's probably something dumb.

>>10905967
Based
>>10905976
Cringe

>>10905976
>MAGAPEDES!!!

I get the MAGA part, but what does the rest mean

>>10905980
He’s your dad simulator

>>10905981
yikes

>>10905974
be successful in life in terms of health, education etc. and work hard and then it won't matter so much

if it does your dad is just asshole

>>10905980
Based
>>10905992
Cringe
>>10905998
Double cringe

>>10906002
Sexy

>>10905974
Just change your last name. As a vegan you're already the shame of your family.

ALF, ELF and animal rights militia are all part of a left-wing insurrectionairy anarchist tradition, when they're not coercing old ladies who own fur farms, they're knee capping nuclear physicists, setting fire to ski lodges, robbing banks, taking hostages etc. It's a vision of revolutionary communism through getting the most thrills out of sticking it to people you feel deserve it the most, and inspiring others to do the same. You have anarcho-capitalists who decry the state for using tax dollars to support animal subsidies, and fascists who try to justify giving total control to the state for arriving at the new utopia of panacea for animal and human life. It's likely a tendency within populism to tack on as accessory ethical/aesthetic niceties to give it a thin veneer of acceptableness.

It's a lot easier to try to stereotype a population who have come to a singular ethical decision than actually grapple with the ethical arguments themselves huh?

>>10906016
Fuck off meatoid

>>10906016
ok mate if this is what you tell yourself to cope with the guilt caused by consuming animal products then fair dinkum

>>10906025
My father was a pescetarian Buddhist and it did not stop him from brutalising my mother.
I think the Vegan ethic needs to specifically condemn domestic violence and all violence against women and children. The homicide rate for women being killed by male partners and former partners is staggering, especially in North and South America, as is the rate of emergency room visits.

It's finally cheat day YAAAAAASSSSSSSSS

>>10906016
t. big pharma kike

>>10906033
>homicide rate for women being killed by male partners
>brutalising my mother.

bitch stepped out.

>>10905975
I forgot to mention it's yellow curry, but not like it matters with all of the shitpostin around

>>10906040
ah yes, these horrible pharmaceutical companies, thinking you will spend a few dollars on insurance to save your and your loved ones life, so they can employ thousands of people and cover the research costs

prove them wrong, if a few hundred people die on protest the prices will drop dramatically

>>10906052
>unironically literally big pharma shilling

lol i was joking at first

what a cuck you are

>>10906033
>I think the Vegan ethic needs to specifically condemn domestic violence and all violence against women and children
yes of course

this should come before veganism

>>10906058
>capitalism good! communism bad!
>wtf these big pharma companies want money?!?! KIKES

why are /pol/tards so braindead

>>10906098
the fuck are you even talking about idiot fuck jews and fuck you

im vegan :)

>>10905553
soon

I am a vegan for almost a year now. I try to make sure i will remain compassionate to other living beings including insects. But currently, i am having issue with spider's web. Most of our rooms are seeming extremely dirty because of it. Some web even contains old leafs and dead other insects on it. I don't know what to do. Specially when it is home of spider. Also i don't want to kill spiders, as they too desire to live a natural life. In there any vegan method that can be helpful. Thanks in Advance.

Also, I live in a developing countries, so many tools that can be found on amazon, ebay etc is unreachable or extremely costly for me. I need a DIY solution.

>>10906177
Move spider outdoors without killing it.
Then clean up your damn house.

>>10906182
I am also having issue with bacteria, specifically washing my hands. If I used soap that would kill all those living beings. My hands and my body have really started to smell, but that's a good thing as it's bacteria making that smell. Is there any vegan method of removing the bacteria from my skin without killing them?

thank you much

>>10906200
Use your masturbation tweezers.

>>10905635
Not a vegetarian but
1. Some vegetarian do eat eggs and drink milks. I guess it depends on which form of religion each individuals subscribe to
2. In some places, service animal for disabled person are so rare that they almost do not exists. They simply use sticks instead.
3. Hens are in no way proper support animal. Please film a video and upload it to YouTube and then email the link to media next time someone trying to get a hen to be treated like they are one.

semen is the best vegan food

By the way it seems like there are also some Vegetarians that welcome eating insects?
Especially, how about honey?

>>10907056
Vegetarians can eat honey
Never heard of an insect expection

>>10907073
Vegetariamism might be about not killing, but veganism is about not exploiting at all. To acquire honey, you have to exploit bees. While it might be OK (but still not vegan) to do it naturally (that is, by climbing up the tree and stealing the honey from the beehive), nobody really does it this way any more. You would be surprised how the bees are breeded nowadays.

>>10907148
I guess a question is that are we going to see insects as animals (I mean, they are obviously biologically animal, but are they equal in status as to other animals)

>>10907192
Yes. Vegans cannot have honey. Although to my knowledge doesn't hurt the bees we can't use anything.

>>10907204
Something vegans would have against honey are some of the practices, like cutting the wings off a queen, culling healthy hives because the harvest time is done, and taking so much honey, it needs to be replaced with a poorer quality substitute

>>10907873
But the question is not whether the treatment on those bees are ethnical, instead it is about should those insects be treated like other animals and thus to be avoided eating
For instance, how about consuming insects themselves like bee pupa in this picture

What are some late night snacks for vegans.

>>10908030
cum

>>10908030
Like fruits? Beans? Potato chips? Many late night snacks are already vegetables by themselves

>>10905522
last summer I gave peanuts to a crow who kept coming back, sometimes he would just chill on my deck with me after a few months.
I didn't judge him for his diet, that's his business not mine.

>>10908044
Dorritos are vegetables? nice, I can finally be both american AND thin

>>10905828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTAhSJt_8x8

>>10908030
turds

>>10908030
sorry I specifically mean turds from animals eating a plant based diet

>>10905958
unlikely on 4chan. That's ok though, just like other places on 4chan, ignore what you don't care for and respond to what interests you.

cook anything yummy lately?

>>10908113
Some are some aren't, depend on flavor

>>10905958
Redirect people talking about ideology and ethnic to pol next time

>>10908160
I've just tried some Quorn Vegan Fishless Fingers which would be fine if they didn't taste so fishy. They have a lot of sodium alginate, made from brown seaweed, and smell a bit off. You know how fresh fish doesn't smell only old fish. It would have been better for me if they had just been vegan fingers like Fry's do vegan nuggets. I don't want my food to smell or taste like an animal, fish, bird or whatever living thing. The texture was nice and, with salt and pepper and vinegar, they would make a fine fishless finger sandwich. Without the fishiness.

>>10908007
Insects are considered animals to vegans. They have eyes and legs and brains and probably the capacity to feel some sort of pain.

But you're correct, veganism comes from the fact that mammals are all very similar and probably feel pain and suffering the same way. But I think insects also have this in some capacity. Plants clearly don't as they have no nervous system to feel pain with.

Hate vegetarianism with all my heart but I now only eat meat 1-2 a week and often not even that. Once I had a carrot from a local restaurant that tasted better than most meat and a light went off in my head. Now I disdain the outright comical overconsumption of flesh that plagues modern life and I hate how people's tastes are so simple that most people seem only to be able to stomach meat, cheese, and bread for their meals.

>>10908192
>I don't want my food to smell or taste like an animal, fish, bird or whatever living thing
I know what you mean. I've been vegan over a decade, and early on I'd go for the fake meats and such. Sometimes they were creepy realistic, and off-putting really. Now I'd prefer some fried marinated tempeh that tastes and feels like fried marinated tempeh, over a fake steak with fake bones and fake fat, that's just weird.

>>10908224
bro relax, it's all good, this is a comfy thread. Cooked any good food lately?

non-vegans, why aren't you eating recently dead humans? And before you throw out Creutzfeldt-Jakob, you could just avoid the brain, do proper butchery.

I might as well leave a recipe while I'm here. I made this today
Cabbage Soup/Casserole (idk what you call it)
Around 1 head of cabbage (740g is what I used)
2 carrots
1 Onion
3 cloves of garlic
1 Cup of brown rice
1 Cup of lentils
1tbsp soy sauce
1.36L/48oz can of Tomato Juice
2 cup water

Shred the cabbage, dice the carrots and onion. Saute the onion and carrots for a few minutes(you can use oil, I just use water), add minced garlic cloves. Saute a few more minutes and then add everything else in and mix it around. Bring to a boil and then simmer for around 20-30 minutes until everything is cooked. Makes around 3-4 servings

It's fucking tasty and really healthy at the same time. Also really filling.

>>10908289
sounds yum.
anybody here into baking bread? I used to be more into it, I had a sourdough starter that I kept alive for well over a year, but neglected it.
I'd recommend anyone who likes bread/sourdough to get into that, it's really fun.

Also bread is fucking way easier than most people think. Once you get past the couple tricky things (easier to add flour to a dough that's too wet than it is to add water/broth to a dough that's too dry, etc) it's pretty simple to make simple breads. But the glorious thing is you can get way more complex than simple breads. You can do of course all kinds of breads, with all kinds of flours, all kinds of added things, lipids and different sugars, different liquids, you can do pre-ferments, you can steam your bread while it's baking with a pan of water in the oven, glazes, it goes on and on.
pic is random from thefreshloaf.com the best resource for bread makers I've found. Their "Lesson 1" is how I get people into bread.
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/lessons/yourfirstloaf
oh here it is right here!
All you'll need is salt, (unbleached all-purpose) flour, water (or broth yo), and yeast (not instant).

>>10908354
sorry I think I was mistaken about the yeast in lesson 1, they suggest instant. I just always get active dry yeast (one of the only reasons I go to my overpriced local co-op, had bad experience with the jars in the grocery store) and activate it prior to baking.

>>10905705
>MREs
Alright, let's get that out onto a tray. Nice!

>>10905705
I'm gonna do what it takes to survive. I taught myself how to gut and clean animals and eat them (through youtube videos, never actually did it). But as long as I have access to a grocery store I'll be vegan

My parents are supportive enough but won't even consider using vegan alternatives to butter/cooking oil. Like I understand they don't have to be vegan they have a choice but it breaks my heart because I care about them so much but they're slowly killing themselves and taking countless other lives. When asked to consider trying meat alternatives they flat out refuse because they "love meat", I asked again that if I was able to find ones that seemed exactly the same as meat would they consider it then? No. They then told me in the future they will slaughter their own animals for meat.

To actually be so morally wrecked to be able to take an innocent animal's life is a lot bigger to me than just buying meat at a shop.

I have made it clear that if this was to happen I would no longer consider myself their daughter.

Any advice/tips for my situation? Many thanks

>>10908423
Yeah, get a job princess.

>>10908484
What? That's not relevant at all. I'm an adult and live on my own, I'm just worried about my parent's physical and spiritual health.

>>10908423
>>10908489
There's not much you can do, just let them be. At least raising the animals themselves will still reduce the impact of factory farming. And don't disavow them either. They most likely love you and devoted their life to raising you. To me, a part of being vegan is accepting some people just don't see the world the way you do, and they never will. You can't save every animal and you can't save every person. It's just how things work on this planet, crying and screaming at your parents won't change it. Enjoy the time you have left with them instead, and focus your efforts elsewhere.

>>10908423
I'm guessing you're sort of new to being vegan. When I first decided nonvegan food just... wasn't food, wasn't an option for me, it deeply disturbed me that other people couldn't see it that way. It felt surreal, like waking up in a world where a coin gets flipped at birth and if it's heads, then everyone agrees we should eat the baby. And you're like, "But... that's kind of fucked up" and everyone is like, "what's your problem? why are you so judgey?"
But eventually over time you just kind of let go of that. At first it feels like you're living on a planet of psychopaths. And in a way, there really is a moral schizophrenia: they would eat a cow, but not a dog, etc.
But you can't really do anything to affect their ethics, that's always an internal situation.
Just spend the net 10, 20, 30, ... years without engaging in that, and be the example, show that it actually isn't necessary.
That's more effective, where challenging and accusing just makes everyone dig in their heels.

Make any good food lately?

>>10908489
Lead your own life without being sanctimonious towards others’ beliefs.

>>10905241
I'm never ever going vegan, if every single store stops selling meat and I don't have any other way to get it I will go out at night and steal people's pets to eat them
You would have to tie me up and feed me like a fucking goose to make me eat you processed soy product

>>10908489
Do you have a job? You did a pretty good job of dodging that.

enjoy dying of malnutrition fagots

>>10908544
based and artery clogged carnist

>>10908547
No, I'm disabled and can't work.

>>10908544
do you not drink OJ? water?
were all of your vegetables microwaved as a child?

>>10908224
I eat meat for every single meal

>>10908569
>>10908552
>>10908484
>>10908409

>>10908544
Why does being vegan equate to eating processed soy products? You can be vegan all your life and not even look at soy

>>10908568
I don't drink orange juice because fresh orange juice tastes like shit and the one at the supermarket has an awful chemical artertaste and yes all bottled orange juice has it
I eat a lot of vegetables, they make my meat taste better

>>10908560
oh no no no no *inhales*

>>10908573
That dude looks cool.

>>10908576
Because there are a million fucking vegan soy products and every other vegan thing contains soy

>>10908586
There's a bunch if vegan products and recipes that don't contain soy.

>>10908578
>they make my meat taste better
Of course it does. There's almost no vegan alive who wasn't at one point non-vegan. And a lot of us cooked for ourselves, and we know that meat on its own, without herbs and spices, is fucking disgusting. Chewing chicken flesh might as well be cardboard.

Maybe that's a red/white meat thing though, I can't really remember.
Is human flesh red or white, I wonder? >>10908243

>>10908586
Ok, that doesn't mean you have to buy them my thick friend. I buy soy products once every couple months, probably. How often do you use soy sauce?

>>10908586
Yeah and there a billion non vegan products with soy filler in them anyway

>every other vegan thing contains soy
No retard, being vegan doesn't mean you only eat the overpriced meme products. I mainly eat vegetables, fruits, grains, beans and lentils. I rarely ever eat soy or those fake meats

>>10905835
so what do these magical no-veal farms do with their calves?

>>10908591
Congratulations
>>10908593
>There's almost no vegan alive who wasn't at one point non-vegan
Because there is nothing more vegan than child mortality
>we know that meat on its own, without herbs and spices, is fucking disgusting
The same is true for vegetables, when was the last time you ate an entire lettuce with nothing added? Wahen was the last time you ate an entire raw onion?
Hell without any salt food barely has flavor

>>10908602
I don't, I'm not a vegan
>How often do you use soy sauce?
I still have the same half full bottle I bought last year

>>10908608
But you are a meme person practicing a meme diet, why wouldn't you eat soy?

>>10908619
I'm not even sure how to address this. It's like talking to a toddler where you want to pretend you're engaged because you don't want to hurt their feelings

>>10908630
People put together of akin gender tends to generate health and this being like "improving situations" and "easing stress"; this vvithout and sex or romance or akin involved.

So sex and romance is used as the "binding agent"; couples formed - (discreditive in adding reason as though vvas it the only one) simply for ease of production and maintenance - despite this being through restricting sensory ability and suppressing using things such as alcohol.

It likely being sensed that upon people becoming vegan, such ease of control vvould be lost, regardless of overall gain involved.

The overall negative spiral requiring just that temporary release. Y0u become vvhat you eat, dont connect to those sources of inbreeding done to animals.. Dont consume it.

>>10908632
Weird, you should have a lot of experience with that from talking to your victims.

>>10908644
>>10908573

>>10908630
I don't eat processed food at all and I'm too lazy to make tofu not taste like air. Sometimes I eat tempeh though, the fermentation cancels out the phytoestrogen or something like that

>>10908647
Huh?

>>10908499
this. the only time it's a vocal thing is when you're first making a shift. it's a shift that is at odds with everything we are pummeled with in tv, billboards, family, etc. so of course it is a big deal to question it.
and I agree that best thing to do is be the quiet example. it isn't necessary, the "food pyramid" is a lie, maybe they have updated it idk but simply the non-vegan diet is not essential

>>10905958
Veganism isn’t comfy. Veganism is shrill, hostile and hysterical.

>>10908644
Eating meat is definitely detrimental to your spiritual efforts. Non-vegetarian food can seriously dampen your spiritual intellect since it intoxicates your spiritual awareness. Humans are naturally psychic beings, but eating meat drastically lowers your spiritual potential, and leaves you in a low vibration state.
Choosing to go vegan, or at least vegetarian, can drastically increase your spiritual powers. You will become more empathic and intuitive. Some people even report being able to see spirits or able to foresee events. There is no telling just how much your vibration will rise from this simple lifestyle change

>>10908632
You are engaged tho, you are sitting right now with this thread open waiting for me to reply so you can read what I have to say next
When was the last time you kept a window open waiting for something, just sitting there with auto refresh? You don't wait for ads, you have an ad blocker, you probably don't sit and wait when 4chan is offline
It is quite flattering

>>10908675
based mentally ill leaf muncher

>>10908662
I think he's calling you an edgelord teen, my babe

alcoholic smoking vegan here, >>10908675 not into spirituality or health thanks just good food that doesnt make me think of my arm meat, or involve some cow's tit juice

>>10908686
Huh?

>>10908675
I have Parkinson's, Anon. I vibrate plenty.

>>10908619
>last time you ate lettuce with nothing added
29th June of this year.

>>10908678
I've got two /qa/ threads, a /vg/ thread and a /sci/ thread open, cringemaster.

>>10908689
I can actually picture you angrily eating plain lettuce while starting at your neighbor through the window who is making a barbecue

just going to leave this here

>>10908694
>/qa/ and /sci/
I'm not surprised at all

>>10908689
>I have Parkinson's, Anon. I vibrate plenty.
Nice, let's get a webm of your jiggling jubilees.

>>10908656
Tempeh can also be made out of other grains or beans. I've been making a black bean tempeh and want to try pinto.

It takes a while to get ready to cook, but I like tofu because I can just put a weight on it, ignore it for a while, and throw it in some oil, soy sauce, and spices.

>>10908702
I'd like to know what it implies to you. I can tell you more of my tabs if you're interested.

>>10908707
That you are looking for a boyfriend but you couldn't find anyone manly enough in Reddit

>>10908689
Have you tried an electric alkaline vegan diet? There are many, many Parkinson's sufferers who have found their symptoms all but eliminated by going alkaline.

>>10908704
one of my old housemates used to make her own tofu, I never tried it but it got me thinking about using other kinds of legumes to make tofu and tempeh.

This shitposting is fun but I'd like to hear more about
bread: >>10908354
pickling: I've only done "quick pickles", never the longterm pickle, and the only oil-based pickle I've done was a pickled mango which was D E L I C I O U S
oils: I only recently found out about the "smoke point" of oils, and have been probably burning the fuck out of my olive oil for years
eggplant recipes that aren't baba ghanoush, though I love it. I'm growing some eggplants among a lot of other things and need to expand my menu.

*slurp slurp slurp*
you fucking soibois *slurp slurp*
so gay kek meme diet

It's my contention that the act of going vegan makes a person more compassionate. I have this theory - which is not just mine, I've seen/heard it online, etc - that the meat that people eat come from animals in full flight/fight mode, with high levels of adrenaline and associated hormones present in the body. So the meat-eater ingests these hormones and - in some people at least - becomes less empathetic/less compassionate. Have there been any studies on this, I wonder?

I'm definitely much happier these days - one of my friends (an omni) reckons that my happiness is off the scale!

>>10908703
Let's see some cripple girl breasts. Feast our eyes on some trembling tatas. Gaze at those seizing sweaterpuppies. Take a moment to take in those never-gonna-be-a-mommy milkers.

>>10908737
vegan here
that sounds stupid as fuck
like a 13 year old who has heard of sciencemen in white coats making researches

>>10908686
>that doesnt make me think of my arm meat

I don’t get this. The best thing about lab-grown meat is gonna be that we can eat our own body parts without handicapping ourselves. Did you ever refuse to eat something because you didn’t know where it came from? You KNOW where you’ve been! It’s the ultimate in QC!

>>10908741
I feel like in every discussion i have with a meat eater i can always beat their arguments with facts, but when i say we are biologically meant to eat plants they always say that eating meat was an important and natural step in our evolution and made our brains grow etc... I can never argue back when they say this. Can anyone help? maybe link a study about this or something? it would be appreciated

Thoughts on Gary Francione?

I'm trying to remember this white-hair guy who was an animal activist, and Francione came down hard on him because he wasn't an abolitionist.
Not even taking sides here I just liked the discussion but it's pissing me off I can't remember white-hair guy's name. He was more moderate than Francione.

>>10908737
I think vegans actually have very low empathy because they project a lot into other people so they try to compensate the fact that they hate people by talking about how much they care about animals non-stop

>>10908743
why bother though? I could eat my child as well. It's the same bloody tissue that I'd find in a pig or a cow.
It's filthy (NOT A SWANS REFERENCE) to me, why would I sink to that.
Before you think I'm thinking I'm above nonvegans, I don't give a fuck what other people do. It's not me, it's not my business.

>>10908752
Personally, I think the problem is in "meant." What do you mean by "meant to..."?
Were we meant to build Los Angeles? Were we meant to smoke tobacco? There is no "meant", it's just a bizarre fucking world and some apes happened to get smart.
So now we're in a position where we can reassess things, like "Hey wait, I don't actually need to keep breeding slaves for sustenance"
Sorry, can't give you ammunition to shoot at opponents.
Just be a good example.

>>10908724
I just set some watermelon rind and okra to lacto ferment and threw my two week old carrot ferment into the fridge. I'd like to try making miso but am just nervous about it because of the time it needs to finish

>>10908783
That's awesome. I'd love to hear more, my pickling has been very beginner-tier.

>>10908767
So you wouldn't snitch on your neighbor if he was a serial killer? It's not you or your business.

>>10908782
*Tips beret

>>10908782
What caused us to evolve was fire, not meat. Apes are currently close to discovering how to build a fire and researchers are wondering if we will see them evolve right before our very eyes. Fire allowed greater bioavailability of critical nutrients - one of the reasons I'm not a supporter of raw veganism (though I don't try to stop raw vegans from being raw) ...we can simply digest and absorb nutrients more efficiently from cooked foods, with a few exceptions where raw is better. Humans evolved because of calorie density ...something we have no problem obtaining now as Western people in a culture that literally throws food in the garbage.

>>10908789
I'd definitely snitch on my serial killer neighbor. I don't see how that's relevant.
I normally don't engage in these kind of conversations because it always is just digging heels in, but I'm just drunk and bored.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7gNBS5PXCo

>>10908815
You a bitch nigga. Stop Snitching 04.
National examples of violence due to "snitching" include Angela Dawson of Baltimore, who was killed along with her five children and husband on October 16, 2002, when their house was firebombed after she alerted police to illegal activities in her neighborhood.[6] Another example is Michael Brewer of Deerfield Beach, Florida, a 15-year-old who, in October 2009, was doused in rubbing alcohol and set on fire after assailants yelled, "He's a snitch, he's a snitch."

>>10908828
>>10908573

>>10908828
*snap*

Is Charlotte, the anime in OP's GIF, any good?

Years ago when I started my journey I disliked cooking multiple times a day because it meant washing a ton of pots. So I thought up a plan to cook a big pot of vegetables before bed for the next day. The first night I cooked dinner plus food for the next day to be placed in a big pyrex glass bowl. I felt amazing the next day after eating these aged cooked vegetables left covered on the countertop.

Then I moved back to my home country to pursue my passion and lost this art. For many years I've consumed my food right after it's cooked until recently I was trying to figure out why I felt "without a care in the world" when I started my journey.

Yesterday I cooked my vegetables in a specific way and with more quality protein and fat than years ago. Today I had my big bowl of aged vegetables and I can't even explain it... My awareness and energy went through the roof and got quite a bit done with ease.

I can only assume that aging cooked vegetables makes the nutrients more bioavailable? or maybe bacteria ferment the cooked vegetables?

where did the shitters go
did they not like thinking about eating recently dead humans, or the baby-tit connection or what?

>>10909001
They're probably stuffing themselves with meat haha... frigging carnists. If I wasn't so weak and sickly I'd punch them right in the face but I learned my lesson last time I tried that.

>>10909139

>>10909139
another

>>10909172
>>10909166
>>10909159
CARNISTS BTFO

You were lied to
you don't need to be bottom barrel fucks
you choose to eat the same as what's in your arm
you choose to drink titty juice from cows >>10909001

Nothing to say
L O L

i plan to do a long detox diet of only quinoa, avocado and strawberry.
what vitamins/minerals will i be missing if i do this very long term like 6 months.
what food do you suggest i add?

>>10909193
ayyo hold up
>eats meat through childhood
so lemme get this straight
>does a shitload of steroids
you be sayin
>keeps eating meat
that these carnist barbarians
>suddenly stops eating meat
think you need to eat meat
>does a shitload more steroids
to get big and strong???

>>10905506
The lion went to a lot of trouble setting this situation up, im not going to mess with his hunt.

I've been making sourdough bread off and on for years. I've been baking a good bit over the last 6 months.

I've made sauerkraut a few times and it turned out well. I didn't like it as much with red cabbage. I need to make some more soon. Maybe I'll Branch out with other pickles.

I had kombucha going for over a year at one point but I haven't done that in over a year.

I make my own yogurt (I'm currently vegan half the time, and pescetarian the other half... Working my way slowly)

Next up is kimchi. Fermenting foods is fun!

>>10909326
Here's some sourdough I made one time

>Vegan thread
based

>>10909326
I love fermenting, I want to do a lot more of it.
I want to do canning too but I'm stupid and will fuck it up.

>>10909001
>>10909159
>>10909172
>>10908734

Post tofu recipes

>>10909297
>Detox

>>10909495
squeeze it out into a drybabe
put the drybabe into freezer
take her out and place into broth of broth and bbq
wait awhile, then check out a breading recipe.
Do some panko, some chippotle, bbq, whatever.
chop 'er up into yumyums, fry those babies

Remember to take multivitamins.

>he's vegan
>he asks for Mayo on his Subway sandwiches

>>10909326
If you want, you can ferment non dairy yogurt eventually. There's some cultured cashew cheese thing I want to try to make.

Sourdough is cool. I'd try my hand at my own starter, but I'm worried about dipping my hand at too many cultures at once

>>10908699
Not angry. For cultural reasons, I wasn't eating oil at the time. And I like barbecue I went to a Bastille day shindig earlier today and had some.

>>10908703
Delivered.

>>10908713
No. I have an electric train set in storage that runs on alkaline batteries, though I don't intend to eat it

can someone give me some ideas for marinating and grilling tofu
beyond obvious stuff like soy or worcestershire

Egg loving anon here with a question for vegans: what is your opinion on eggs from chickens you raise yourself?

I get the argument that chickens in the big factories have shit lives and everything, but are chickens that you raise and take care of really harmed by us taking their eggs?

vegetarians don't have any good f-

I had been a vegetarian for 14 years. I've been vegan for the last year.

I mainly believe in sustainability and it is NOT sustainable to eat meat 3 times a day, 7 days a week. However, it is also not sustainable to drink a 10 banana smoothie with dates everyday because of the pollution involved in transportating foreign fruits/veg.

It is easy to be on your high horse as a vegan but I die a little inside everytime I take a sticker off a fruit that says "Made in Brazil".

I do not have a problem with things like cheese and eggs because they can be sourced in a sustainable manner. I still choose not to eat them due to personal health preferences, but I wish factory farming would come to an end.

I'd love to see vertical aerponic farming warehouses starting to be implememtedd in the
CBD's of major cities. Aerponic farming methods use less water and central location's will reduce the need for long distance shipping.

Lab grown meats will also change the game.

>>10910517
To answer your question..
>>10910748

If the hens are happy, I see no problem whatsoever.

>>10910517
I don't if you just have backyard hens and she's not killed for lack of productivity and still healhy

>>10910517
It's not the worst thing in to world but it's still exploiting animals for their resources when you don't need to.

>>10910748
I think it's best to get most things locally at farmers markets, that reduces shipping and packaging at least. Problem is some stuff doesn't grow locally. Hopefully renewable energy takes off someday so it's a non issue, I still have hope

>>10910772
And another issue is how horribly a lot of the workers at bigger ag farms would be treated and purchasing locally puts back money into the local economy.

>>10910354
I thought Worcestershire wasn't vegan? Tofu is for when I'm lazy, so I just do this or a scramble with nutritional yeast, tumeric, garlic, and whatever else I'd feel like
https://cookieandkate.com/2016/how-to-make-crispy-baked-tofu/

>>10910818
>I thought Worcestershire wasn't vegan?
The real stuff, i.e. Lea and Perrins, isn't. But most store brands and generics use a totally different recipe and those are usually vegan. They don't taste very good in comparison either.

>>10910772
How is it exploitative?
The hen gets protection from predation. Depending on what sort of chicken breed she is, she may never go broody. When a chicken is broody, it means she wants to care for an egg.
Even if the egg is unfertilised, a broody hen will want to sit on it but there are several breeds which simply lack this instinct. Furthermore, in her prime, she'll shit out at least three eggs per week no matter what you do.
Even if we take love and affection between companion animal and human out of the equation completely and reduce it to a transactional relationship, like rhinos have with those weird birds, there's still no legitimate reason to let those eggs go rotten. None. If you are companioned with a well-cared-for hen and you refuse to either a) eat those eggs or b) give them to someone less fortunate who will, you're a right prick.

>>10910748
>cheese can be sourced sustainably
But not vegetarian-ethically, unless you completely ignore the fact that milk produces calves which grow up (if they're luck, anyway) to be steaks or slaughtered early to be veal.
If you know some way to source milk that doesn't involve either a) slaughtering a calf or b) reversion to an agrarian way of life (so you know that both mamacow and her calf are well-cared-for and loved), do tell.