/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>10681291
how would you feel if the slaughterhouse industry was revamped?
It still serves its purpose to feed people in mass, but dont have the same cheap, unhygienic, and inhumane function that many slaughterhouses have?
Look at Japanese slaughterhouses, they're more hygienic but that also might be a reason why their meat products are expensive as hell over there

>>10681366
I don't know. Without regulation, the nature of "for profit" industries will try to make the most efficient process over considering animal cruelty and hygiene. I'm not aware of how the japanese slaughterhouses are. Maybe they're better.

>>10681387
how do you propose to increase regulation in the slaughterhouse industry so animals are given a quick painless death as well as keeping the process of feeding and slaughter them as hygienic as possible without the price spiking overboard?

I feel like hygiene of the slaughterhouse itself is more important than the treatment of animals because by trying to maintain the place cleaner than what it is, better more efficient methods of killing might result from that. Taking care of a place will make you care more for its product. But that's just my claim.

>>10681291
That unicorn hoodie seems rather conspicuous.

>>10681402
Wtf are you talking about slaughter houses are incredibly clean and the animals are given quick painless deaths. You don't make more money being cruel or dirty.

If you grow and farm the produce yourself being vegan is A-OK.

What bothers me the most about veganism is the industry. Just going to the market is lazy and I'm pretty sure most vegans aren't even aware or don't realize their actions don't do anything to the meat industry. If you do the process yourself by farming it's different though.

>>10681408
>slaughter houses are incredibly clean and the animals are given quick painless deaths

Looks pretty cruel to me.

>>10681420
You're the first person to mention veganism in this thread.

>>10681425
it'll get (you)s ;^)

>>10681425
Those crabs are killed instantly they don't suffer at all.

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>>10681432
Sure maybe they probably didn't suffer but we still killed them "en masse" and hacked up their bodies. I don't think the crabs would consent to this if they could.

If you're aware of that process when buying meat at the super-market it's less of an issue but I don't think the unwashed masses are educated about the meat industry.

>>10681449
>unwashed masses
This is why everyone hates people like you.

>>10681449
That seems a bit ridiculous. I can't imagine any creature "consenting" to die. It goes against the biological imperative. So how can that be a metric for deciding if eating something is "humane" or not?

>>10681408
>Vegans only understanding of the meat industry is 4 minutes of footage from a vegan propaganda film and some brochures from his support group
You dont say? Im sure they at least understand that its an animal with neither ego nor super-ego and not a person in a different body. I mean, itd be silly to imply these people actually think Disney films are accurate representations of how animals "think" and feel

>>10681291
You are a petulant child.

Check out these superbly ethical vegetarians

r8 my vegetarian burger, also why does my heart still hurt? I thought vegetarians are healthier..?
raping cows keeps me healthy, right guys?

>>10681464
It just means "the people". Don't worry, I don't try to convince or talk about vegetarianism IRL unless other people ask me about it.

>>10681471
>That seems a bit ridiculous. I can't imagine any creature "consenting" to die. It goes against the biological imperative.
That's why I don't eat meat. I still cheat from time to time though.

>So how can that be a metric for deciding if eating something is "humane" or not?
This "metric" is in part why I don't eat meat. I recognize that eating meat is natural for humans. However, if people were making informed decisions when buying groceries a good portion would default to being vegetarian.

I'd bet a ton of people would chicken out of killing a wild animal when there are other options for food available. By having butchers doing it for you you're being a coward.

>>10681480
Humans are not different from animals. We all try eat, survive and reproduce.

Hey guys, OP here, it's my birthday and I really need some calcium, cancer and pus. Will you share this cake with me?

I work at a slaughterhouse house

It's clean and kept up well due to welfare standards imposed by our government.

>>10681530
Retard.

>>10681543
Do all vegetarians have fragile egos? Fragile like their own life choices, yes?

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>>10681551
I can't tell if you're a vegan zealot or omnivore but I was just trying to have an honest conversation in this thread.

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>>10681567
It's possible to have milk products without animal cruelty (I'm not saying it's standard practice), however meat is not. You're not going to convince anyone by being a zealot and annoying.

>>10681561
>I can't tell if you're a vegan zealot or omnivore
m8 one pokes fun at you with "lel bacon" while the other flies into an autistic rage about you being traitorous rape enablers and murderers. Its really too much effort for omnis when there are readily available vegans to BTFO

>>10681580
I was vegetarian for 5 years before going vegan. Make the right choice. While you may already know the variables inclusive to vegetarianism, veganism is the logical step for every reason you're a vegetarian. I didn't have access to the proper information when I was vegetarian, you do. It's half-assing it. Veganism is ethical consistency, vegetarianism is "kinda care, a little I guess". You don't even have a be a good cook or give a shit about micronutrition anymore, everything is fortified and vegan foods have come to grocery by the masses. Quit being a lazy, unethical, unhealthy faggot.

>>10681551
I'm eating a steak right now.
You're still a fucking retard.

>>10681585
I rarely discuss vegetarianism or eating ethics and before this thread I thought vegans being obnoxious was an exaggerated meme. I guess not. I meet other people very often.

>>10681585
I rarely discuss vegetarianism or eating ethics and before this thread I thought vegans being obnoxious was an exaggerated meme. I guess not. I don't meet other people very often.

>>10681602
>vegetarianism is "kinda care, a little I guess"

I'm pleading guilty. Being vegan is just too hardcore for me. Still, you can't refute that a cow can give milk without having to suffer. It's possible.

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>>10681613
I do the vegetarian thing for lent every year and if I dont say anything close to nobody notices. The only reason my office knows is someone asked why I ordered my peppers and hats without the chicken. Then I spent a week being the religious zealot when she made it her mission to tell everyone, then everyone forgot because I continued not talking about it. The biggest publicity issue vegeterians have is the biggest publicity issue vegans have. Vegans

>>10681606
>t. (you)
Nice overconsumption of protein and heme, faggot. Eat your steak, cherish it, gently stroke it, have dreams about it. You won't be able to afford it for much longer. The subsidies are being challenged this year. It'll be five times the price this time next year. You'll be clutching your tattered linen and a picture of who you once were after the veganpocalyse.
>one... More... Piece of chicken...
You'll bark. You cling to the shallow idea of what manliness is, choking down another $45 McChicken.
What's your problem anon? Your wife begged you to stop eating your family out of house and home. You just assume she is joking, she wants you to eat meat. It's what makes you a man, right? Eating animals. Instead of defending and protecting animals, you must consume. You have to be dominant with your Walmart diet. You can pick it up off of the shelf, that makes you a killer, right anon?

Pathetic faggot.

>>10681291
Fine in theory, but in practice if this was ever seriously adopted you can expect passenger pidgeon-level extinction events. US population is just too big for hunting to be sustainable.

>>10681636
That's why there are hunting quotas. You have those in the US, right?

>>10681624
99.9% of milk is factory farmed milk. You do know the atrocity of standing in a cell smaller than your body, right? They literally sleep on a rack, then stand up by using their legs from said rack.

I'm not arguing with you because you haven't seen it. 4 companies are the biggest suppliers. Do your research, watch their standard practices, and then come back and tell me you care about cows. Do it.

>>10681651
The extinction of the passenger pigeon is what caused them to be made, but if even 10% of the population were to suddenly derive their sustenance from hunting they'd be filled alarmingly quick, as in even if each family only hunted a single animal it would be unsustainable.

>>10681291
>Slaughtering factories are disgusting

Not all of them are. Do some research and source ethically-raised meat if you really care.

>>10681658
I don't disagree with you. I'm not sure if it's as bad in canada as in the US. We tend to have higher standards (without trying to sound snobbish). I'm curious if there are some ethical milk businesses out there.

>>10681676
I said all of that as a Canadian. The U.S. is much more terrible. Manitoba chiming in. I've been to OakRiver QuickFreeze here. I have friends who work there. Taking videos is literally punishable by law. That doesn't fuck you up?

>>10681662
Then I guess people would have to rely on other food sources. It's all hypothetical anyway so it doesn't matter.

>>10681291
Interesting take. In some ways it can fit with the ethics of vegetarianism in terms of reduction of suffering. Without abundant natural predators of large game, the game population explodes, epidemic diseases and starvation sweep through the population causing a large percentage of the population needless suffering and death. Hunting, following the regulations established by wildlife biologists to optimally maintain the population ends up reducing suffering within the population.

tl;dr Ethically, it fits vegitarianism.

Too bad this thread turned into the run-of-the-mill carnist/vegan shit flinging, it had potential.

>>10681704
>take
>tl;dr
>carnist
>spacing

>>10681692
Can you dig up some dirt on Agropur?

>>10681704
>Hunting, following the regulations established by wildlife biologists to optimally maintain the population ends up reducing suffering within the population.
This is actually imperitive in New England for the reasons you stated, our white tail population crept up pretty quietly because of the way they were counting them. Turns out "how many people are affected" isnt a good way to count animals and the population was shown to be well above what it should have been. NY and PA are actively trying to cull them because of the damage they cause, because lyme disease is on a tear this year, and because those bigass rats with hooves kill more people per year than any animal on earth except mosquitos

>>10681710
If reddit had a better format and layout I'd probably go there too, but they don't so I don't.