/ck/ - Food & Cooking

I think people shouldn't force people into jobs they don't want to do just because of their gender.

>>10290717
>20% of chefs are women
>Promote equality
>Celebrate the women who make the food you love


But wait. Only 1:5 meals are made by women.
How would you know who makes what, unless you see the kitchen?
How can you celebrate the women who make your food when its already a rarity?

grub hub asked for the resignation of all employees that voted for trump
everything they do is wrong

also
>chefs
>making food
maybe the initial recipe the line is working off of but women just can't run a busy kitchen properly in most cases. They get overwhelmed too easily
I think what liberals need to stop doing is telling women what careers they are supposed to have and just let them do what they want to do

>>10290717
Isn't it sexist to tell women to go into the kitchen?

Why is cooking considered a woman's job, yet 80% of chefs are men?

>>10290717
is this just a 'put your name here' support or give us money? where the fuck is the money going?

>>10290717
Here's how this story goes.
>WE WANT WOMEN IN THE KITCHEN!
6 months later
>Why the trend of female chefs reinforces a sexist stereotype.
6 months later
>Wage Gap: Female chefs make less than waitresses.
6 months later
>Opinion: Why tips need to be abolished (in the name of equality)
6 months later
>Why more women are moving away from the kitchen (and why that's a good thing)
6 months later
>"Only 20% of chefs in the U.S. are women. We think it's time for that to change"

>>10290717
>Should there be more women chefs?

If women could cook for shit, there would be.

>I found my mom to be a good cook

Of course you do, she's your mom. Everyone thinks their mom is a good cook, except for the people who had moms so bad at cooking that not even nostalgia could save them.

>>10290759
>he doesn't understand the difference between a Chef and a cook
Back to >>>/tv/
Retard.

>>10290742
>just let them do what they want to do
I identify as a social liberal (as opposed to a social conservative, not an actual socialist, cause fuck those guys), and this is what liberalism has always meant to me. The belief that each person has the freedom to be who and what you want. It saddens me greatly that this no longer seems to be the case, given how many so called liberals these days, seem hell bent on telling people exactly who and what they are allowed to be.

>Only 1% of garbage and sanitation workers, welders, electricians, carpenters, plumbers, miners, HVAC technicians, construction workers, vehicle mechanics, and forestry/logging workers in the US are women.

>We think it's time for that to change.

it's staggering how retarded third-wave feminism has become. suffragettes are rolling in their fucking graves

>>10290843
At this point they are just doing "sort job by % of women" and going after each one

>>10290717
>Should there be more women chefs?
No, most women are fucking TERRIBLE chefs, they can do basic shit and follow the recipes but thinking on their own how to cook? Imbossibru!

I've had firsthand experience at various food-centered workplaces and the women are allways at best mediocre at cooking and never up to try something new.

>Tell women to get back in the kitchen.

>>10290886
>At this point they are just doing "sort job by % of women" and going after each one
No they are picking comfy and high paying jobs. Its okay if men do the dirty work; no need for gender equity in professions that are like that

>>10290886
And they will suffer with their failures. Okay by me.

>>10291012
you literally can't make this up

>>10290843
>>10291026
except welders, electricians, plumbers, hvac techs make bank.

>>10291065
Yes, and all those works are heavy, uncomfortable and leads to back-problems and you have to work in shitty environments, often have to overnight somewhere e.g. stuff that women avoid when choosing a career.

>>10290717
Cooks or chefs?

Most people can't seem to tell the fucking difference. There's lots of female bosses and chefs. There aren't a lot of female professional cooks that aren't chefs or on their way to becoming one. The backstabbing culture of western women makes makes most of them incompatible with a professional kitchen; but the odd or damaged ones who are despite that good people end up succeeding here.

>>10291090

This

>>10290717
>only 20% of women are chefs
>implying that the same number if women want to be chefs as men
>forcing women to be chefs or raising the entry barriers for men to arbitrarily "level the playing field"
I don't understand how anybody can think this is a good idea, have these morons ever thought that maybe the less women want to be chefs than men?

>>10291065
So why aren't women being herded into those jobs like they are every other job if it's so high paying? Are you implying that there might inexplicably be other factors besides sexism that make men and women choose different jobs, you fucking bigot?

OMG I can't even

Why don't more women become chefs then?

>>10290717
Women can do anything a man does. The fact is, they just don’t. It’s not our problem women take the easy road in life and then cry that men are more successful. They want all the rewards men receive without the risk or work.

>gender equity

>literally telling women to get back to the kitchen

We've come full circle lads.

>>10290717
>feminists are now trying to get women into the shitty jobs
did not expect that one

I will never understand diversity hiring. Who gives a mother fuck if the person is a woman, or black, or fat, or white or anything?

Hire them because theyre the best person for the job. If a woman and a man apply, and the woman has better merits, hire her. If a black guy and a white guy apply, hire whoever is better. It should never be because theyre just a woman or a black person. Christ.

Maybe its only 20% women because the ones applying are shitty fucking chefs and cooks who arent worth hiring.

>>10290717
>mom is a good cook
>should be a chef

Fucking normalfags get off this board. You have no concept of commercial food preparation, stop thinking your fucked up home kitchen exploits are any indication of real kitchen performance.

>>10291078
so you're saying women are smarter than men for opting to not put up with hard/hazardous working conditions.

>>10291339
Arent (((they))) occasionally checking out if certain stores/restaurants etc have enough (((diversity))) in them and if not then they HAVE TO hire some or it's fines'n shit?

>>10291334

>>10291408
What happens in an all woman society when the pipes break or the power goes out? Just live with it because it too scary to fix?

>>10290793
i agree with you but don't act like this isn't a problem on both sides. conservatives seem to love telling people what and how you should act if you truly love america. dont conform to these specific standards? sorry you're just a filthy commie.

everyones guilty of it bud

>>10291463
Hopefully we end up with some of the WW2 era women who are physically fit, capable of taking care of the home while working the railway, bawdy and open-minded, and earn their keep.

BRB masturbating.

>>10290777
Being a good cook is one thing, being a good chef is another entirely. Being a good chef requires a level of ego that is usually only found in high test men as it's similar to being an artist at the higher levels.

>>10291026
>chef
>comfy and high paying
lmao, I'd much rather be a welder or an electrician.

>>10291490
You know that won't happen, they'll bitch constantly about how their narcissism isn't pandered to

>>10290793
you see them doing it the same with black people. and everyone who doesn't line up is an uncle tom or worse

>>10290717
Less than 1% of women have sucked my dick, lets change that.

>>10291500
>be in a high end kitchen
>chef comes in at 4AM to fire up equipment and sometimes to start roasting veal bones or other projects
>he leaves at anywhere between 8-12, 6-7 days a week
>gets paid not much more than I do with no health cover (I actually found a union kitchen)
Chef means being a boss. They're the goddamned officers of the kitchen and they do whatever it takes. But it's usually a terrible job. You can love what you do, and the people under you that understand the job will do theirs and love you too, but fuck people do not understand restaurants and banquets.

>>10291339
The feminists think that the evil men throw away applicants with women's names on them or make the entry too hard so women can't make it in. It's sad really

>>10290793
You might be a true believer but you have to understand that this particular brand of utopian progressivism has taken the place of religion for huge numbers of people.

They implicitly consider creating Harrison Bergeron IRL to be the equivalent of creating God's kingdom on earth. Like all religious fanatics, you can really only deal with them through physical removal or giving them the gift of martyrdom

>>10291537
>you can really only deal with them through physical removal or giving them the gift of martyrdom
My wife wants to give feminists that gift in a bad way.
>mfw

>>10291516
Oh look, another unsourced /pol/ infographic, how cute! Now, you know the direction you need to wander to return to your circlejerk. Sayonara, faggot!

>>10290717
#MakeMeASammich

>>10291572
u mad

>>10291572
Not the guy who posted that but the source for the document is literally at the bottom. Also, you can find the document in question if you search for the title at the top of the page.

You're a stupid faggot, you know that?

>>10290717
There's a big difference between being a good cook and being a good chef

>>10291604
>the measures derived for this infographic sort of primarily, when the moon is full and venus is on the halfshell, come from this paper
>1967
We was cumskin kangs and shite!

>>10291688
nigga what? get help

>>10291490
>the poster child for women’s ability to do any job a man can do quit within a week because she was worried about hurting her hands while men fought and died for their country

I remember a similar story happening in the Brits many years ago. They wanted more girls going into engineering or electronics in an university. So they dramatically reduce the boys and set up a girl quota. What end up happening is that a few girls bother showing up for the program and the program was cut. I wish I have the news source of this. I can see this happening with this chef crap and the restaurants that does this crap would go out of business.

>Women only make up x% of this profession
>Join our movement to force more of them into it!
I've never fucking understood this.

>>10290717
Makes sense to me since around 60% of women can't cook. That's about 20% of the population.

>>10291327
It's not going back into it if (You)'ve never been there, m8.

>>10290717
>20% of chefs are female
>no mention of how that correlates to the gender balance of people learning to be chefs

If 15% of chef school applications are from women, wouldn’t that make them over-represented?

My wife (who is a shitty cook and has never worked in a professional kitchen) is forever giving me shit about how well women do compared to men on ‘Hell’s Kitchen’. She doesn’t understand that well run kitchens are drama free zones and that the people on that show are selected for drama, an environment that men dislike but women thrive on.

Plus, when you take into account long work hours, time away from family, shitty conditions and lousy pay for what you have to do, most women would rather just get knocked up by a welder, electrician or HVAC tech and have a cruisy life at home studying a BA in Womynyst Philosophy from the Online University of Podunk and ignoring their kids.

>>10290717
Only if those women are open to spitting, ringing their sweat, squirting, pissing, and shitting in my food if I ask for it.

>>10291327
>women telling women to get back in the kitchen
>leftists defending ultra-conservatives against centrists because 'it is their culture'
>stand up against rape and let your voice me heard; it's sexist for a man to deny me intercourse
>black lives matter, please Allah give me the strength the not murder a white person today
>today the doctor at the fertility clinic misgendered me when I told him I wanted to get pregnant
Republicans should just keep their mouths relatively shut. American "liberals" are so self-destructive that they'll be completely broken soon.

>>10291537
>but you have to understand that this particular brand of utopian progressivism has taken the place of religion for huge numbers of people.
Oh, I do. And that is probably the part that saddens me the most.

>>10291910
It's beautiful

So, I'm confused
Do these people want every field to be at least 50% women?
Every single man and woman on earth must be equally distributed amongst professions?
What if a field is dominated by women? Is that a problem or is it good?
Where do they expect to shore up the other numbers to fill in the gaps where other numbers drop below 50%?

Are they actually just retarded?

I remember joking a while back that they were going to start this kind of social media pressure for michellin stars, since no female owned restraurant has a michellin star.

Also being a chef is an incredibly undesirable position with massive amounts of openings all over the place. If more women wanted to be a fucking chef then they would be.

>>10291961
They want brownie points for having a gender equal environment like they're the next Martin Luther King Jr or something like that.

>>10291572
>muh pol bogeyman
Back to redbit you go!

I live in a fucking clown world.

The retarded thing about this is that there are only two ways to "fix" the inequity in a reasonable timeframe. Restaurants would either have to hire more chefs than they need (they won't do this), or they would have to fire already employed chefs.

>>10291971
Doesn't Anne-Sophie Pic own hers?

I don't follow the tire system as I think it's kinda bullshit.

>>10291998
>or they would have to fire already employed chefs.
They are willing to do this for MUH GENDER EQUALITY

>>10291961
>Are they actually just retarded?
Yes. All of this nonsense is incredibly short sighted

Sure, we'll take the office jobs doing nothing.

>mfw I got asked to switch to front of house because we were short of people and just sat on my cellphone 75% of the time making more money

>>10291961
>What if a field is dominated by women? Is that a problem or is it good?
From what I've seen it results in declining sales or the overall collapse of the company.

This has been the case in comic book titles and video game publishers.

>>10292039
>Literally not a single man in the entire photo
So progressive! How ever are they failing?

>>10292017
And restaurants would like it because it gets them off their backs without a high cost.

>third wave feminists telling women to get back in the kitchen

>>10292042
You should see what IDW did.
>turn your burly white guy into an overweight black woman
>your effeminate girl that a lot of readers had a crush on as a child is now a tranny and was always a man
>gay robot marriage
>another transexual
>two women are now bull-dykes
Our 91+% profit drop in a single year is Marvel's fault!
Tweens and the far left aren't going to buy your product, they probably aren't even going to vote. Stop trying to appeal to a demographic that can't pick a hair color or gender.

>>10290748
It was., but now its slowly going full circle. Just wait until being a stay at home housewife becomes "powerful"

>>10291334
Oh no , my friend. This isn't a complaint about cooks. it's about CHEFS. You know, the boss of the kitchen.

Being a chef sucks, that's why. You're overworked, underpaid, and have little room to ever advance anywhere.

>>10291476
theres nothing wrong with that
many of the problems america faces is due to people no longer trying to keep traditional values

people are becoming trashier and trashier, the nuclear family is falling apart, children are growing up without fathers and there's an every growing sense of entitlement

these were always problems of course, but now that the popular attitude is to say "its all fine you can be and do what ever you want no matter the consequences" its really causing a cultural crisis that is damaging the country

having modesty and traditional values are a good thing. Short term fun is almost always done at the expense of long term stability
besides the great irony is that despite how enlightened, free, and self aware liberals claim to be they somehow manage to still be the most bitter, miserable, hateful people you will ever come in contact with

In 2015, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission received 5,431 complaints of sexual harassment from women. Of the 2,036 claims that listed an industry, 12.5 percent came from the hotel and food industry, more than any other category, according to the National Women’s Law Center. The Restaurant Opportunities Center United, which advocates for higher wages, found in a 2014 study that two-thirds of female restaurant workers were sexually harassed by restaurant management, 80 percent by their co-workers and 78 percent by customers. A third of women reported that unwanted touching was routine, the survey found.

>>10290717
>Grubhub

Didn't their stock value and app rating drastically decrease back in 2016 when their CEO insulted Trump and his supporters on twitter

>>10292550
In all fairness I was "harassed" all the time too. Kitchen mentality is bonkers, complete with assgrab, pantsing, running around in wife-beaters and pouring water down each other because it's 140 fucking degrees on the line and people are ready to pass out, literally throwing shit down to the dock because we're in the weeds because no one told us it's a concert night so we have one-third the staff we need and nothing thawed. Fuck the coolers and freezers are down because they're not meant to be open during the entirety of service because we're doing 400 covers without notice. Adrenaline rush screamy slamming gropey get shit done.

If you aren't very open minded and very sturdy you don't belong here. It's a very fun high.

>>10292565
Their stock is double what it was in 2016. Stay made Drumpf kids.

>>10290759
Same reason men dominate other supposedly feminine professions like interior decorating, fine arts, fashion and jewellery design: men are better than women

>>10292576Men are better at being women.

>>10292573
Well I can't be unmade anytime soon

>>10292565
Aforementioned CEO ended up deleting his Twitter like a little bitch tho

>>10290717
Chefs and male management don't like to promote women. If you're not a guy with tattoos, good luck. Groping and physical bullying of women is common. Most famous women chefs (the few) are very masculine looking, a kind of defensive coloring.

>>10292579
>tfw men are so much better than women that Bruce Jenner won 'Woman of the Year'

>>10291688
Are you having a stroke?

>>10292572
I don't believe you were sexually harassed, only "harassed" as you say.

>>10290717
Who gives a shit? Why is everyone starting shit involving Race, Gender, & Sexuality all of a sudden?

>>10292622
Restaurant industry is a male dominated boys club. Odds are stacked against women who love food and cooking as much as the next guy. Male cooks hate women. That's why. Just look at the comments in this thread. Close to 100 comments saying women should stay out of professional kitchens.

There should be more Mom's with jobs in general. Fucking welfare parasites.

>>10292683
Bullshit. I think you're completely misinterpreting things.

First off, between you and the opening post there have only been 89 replies (obviously not counting that one).

I have posted multiple times, none of which discouraged female kitchen employees. If women want to work in the kitchen that's fine. Hell, I've worked with a lot of them I've worked UNDER 7 despite only working 2 kitchens in 10 years and I got along with all of them.

But if you can't stand being one of us, if being a cook bothers you, then fucking leave, or don't fill out an application.

>>10292683
lol
It's definitely not because the vast majority of women can't hack it. I bet you were half in tears just writing about that.

>>10292712
You are just proving my point, brainlet.

>>10292719
If your point was that you are as worthless as tits on a bull in a busy kitchen.

>>10290717
>be me
>worked with 2 female co-workers
>one was a head chef, the other was a line cook
>head chef was awesome, funny, did hard work and produced amazing results
>now the line cook
>shes a fukkin bitch
>asks me why I'm experimenting while on break (our break is usually when we eat)
>made butter chicken
>she doesn't associate with me, only talks to me to find out what I'm working on or basic shit like "behind" or "Here's your desert"
Really depends on the person, op.

>>10292712
I've seen a mutual sexual exchange more than once when the guy gets fired for a years prior consensual contact out of petty revenge or a chance to advance. Corporate and union politics are sexist as hell against males.

Women are literally allowed to change their mind about consent in and outside the workplace, which is just disturbing.

>>10292725
this lmao
>>10292719
women just don't handle the stresses of being a chef as well as a man does, nor are they as visionary, though they can cook as well when they learn how

>>10292703
>UNDER 7
All caps. Very nice. Omigosh, you worked UNDER 7 female chefs? And were ACTUALLY able to GET ALONG with them, DESPITE having a penis? This is an obvious lie.

>>10292742
I should probably mention how many were lesbians.

>>10292734
Same old song. Prove my point again, faggot, I dare ya.

>>10292746
You worked for 7 lesbian chefs. Chefs. Not female managers at Applebees, mind you. What motivates you to lie about this?

>>10290717
All women should be good chefs for their husbands and children.

>>10292748
your point doesn't stand, pha 'got

men and women ARE different as much as you want to play pretend, dear.

>>10290717
>"only 20% of women are chefs"
>completely discounts the fact that this is a CONSCIOUS CHOICE by these women
Wew, it's almost like your decisions have consequences (however benign they may be).

Women are the embodiment of willful ignorance.

Equality of opportunity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Equality of outcome

Fuck every unintelligent SJW piece of shit

>>10292758
Prove my point 4 times and you will most definitely win a Nobel for misogyny.

>>10292742
You really aren't helping the mental woman stereotype. Go beat your cuck bf and get off my /ck/ for a while.

>>10292767
You don't have a point
I'm not the other guy
You are inventing misogyny in your own head
you are mentally ill

>>10292767
Any man would have a PhD in it after five minutes with you, dingbat.

I love how every guy in these women hate threads starts salivating at the chance to argue their carefully curated garbage with an actual woman because no woman will talk to them irl.

>>10292784
mighty fine projection, lass

>>10292769
>>10292779
>>10292783
So self-righteous!

>>10292791
I do love baiting you guys. Misogynists are dumb as bricks. They think women should love them. For all their fine qualities, of course.

>>10292783
A PhD in what? Great comeback. Scratch the surface, and men are all dumb.

They missed an opportunity to use #getbackinthekitchen

>>10292755
You are a child, and should go to bed. It's past your bedtime, little man.

>>10292801
post feet

>>10292811
A hashtag. How brilliant.

>>10292809
>scratch the surface and everyone is dumb
That's what you meant.

>>10292819
Post height, and don't lie, my manlet.

>>10292821
A philosopher.

>>10292826
Somebody's on the rag.

>>10292826
5'4, 240 pounds, 5 inch bepis.

>>10292831
Probably you. Are you having your man period today? Poor thing.

>>10292753
3.

Not representative of the human population was my point. All great people. Makes great sense considering many kitchens work like a submarine; work, eat, and live together. Read between the lines dumbass.

Women can be great in the kitchen. The vast majority of all people are not. More women than men are not. Fingernail polish, prissiness, aversion to extreme physical and emotional changes and adaptability is not.

If you can't deal with high heat so bad it's dizzying, cold so bad it burns to the touch, orders so deep an accountants head would explode, lift at least the 65? boxes of beef (don't get me started on the (105-125 on the top shelf), unreasonable cuntstomers who don't realize most non-chain restaurants have a minimal profit margin and slave labor, scary safety, and diverse open-minded if not crazy BOH staff staff then you need to fuck off to telemarketing. Or join the military.

>>10292833
Are you round, like a ball?

>>10292845
>Fingernail polish, prissiness, aversion to extreme physical and emotional changes and adaptability is not.
Wut? I see, you're a time traveler from 1953. What do you think of our modern women? Don't be shy. Please tell us how you feel. Tell us! This is comedy gold. Are you the guy who worked for 7 lesbian chefs and kissed all of their asses with great determination not to get fired? Such gumption.

>>10292848
Yes, also Mexican and look like the Amerimutt memes.

>>10292844
The hambeast stirs.

>>10292845
I'm sorry. You seem nice but misguided. I shouldn't be so harsh with you. You could make an accountant's head explode if you're not careful.

>>10290717
Why does gender matter? Just be a skilled cook you'll get there.

>>10292862

>>10292866
Beware the jabberwok, my son. That man period comment stings, huh? Boy am I witty.

>>10292801
“Misogynists are dumb as bricks”.
“Most women aren’t suited to cooking professionally for a living”.

What, if anything, is the ethical difference between these statements?

>>10292872
You are sexist but it's only because you are dumb. You will make a great line cook.

>>10292877
>What, if anything, is the ethical difference between these statements?
The former = true. good.
The latter = not true. not good.

I can't tell the feminist defense force apart from the lazy trolls.

>>10290759
>>10290717
Because making food is like 10% of the job at most.

>>10292881
How much food do you shove down your elephant sized gullet, fatty? How much pus drips from your distended, gaping vag?

>>10291249
obviously because the sexist patriarchy of the kitchen bars women from being successful.
if it werent for those god damn men eyeraping them during interviews there would be at least 80% female chefs

>>10292881

>>10292896
check your privilege, shitlord.

>>10292896
They make it too easy. Their sexism makes me lazy. When I talk to normal people I'm effervescent.

>>10292903
Make me an omelette. You can't.

>>10292929
You don't need an omelette, you need to lose weight.

>>10292916

>>10292909
An artist made that! A veritable Gepetto. Wherever did you find this amazing GIF that is not cliche at all? I am BTFO right now.

>>10290717
>telling women to get back to the kitchen
>promoting equity, rather than equality

They aren't even hiding their agenda anymore. These 3rd waves are willing to sell their own if it means staying relevant.

>>10292767
in what fucking way is >>10292758
misogynistic at all?
he literally says that men and women are different which is factually true, he didnt even say superior or inferior are even infer it
your argument is so fucking stupid it has to be bait and we are all hooked right?

>>10292950
Is this one of your lesbian chefs?

>>10292960
You like to play pretend, my dear.

>>10292862
have you ever met another woman in your life? ive dated girls that have all of those qualities and there was nothing wrong with that mindset
there is a reason nail salons are packed on weekends for almost entirely women customers to get mani-pedis
there is a reason 99% of hard labour jobs are done by men
there is a reason there are actual studies that say women are more rude to other women and men, than men are to women and other men

>>10292622
Didn't think my one post with one reply would cause never ending argument, let alone attention at all, lmao.

>>10292958
Been doing some reading, have you? That's good. It will keep your brain from atrophying.

>>10292974
are you willing or would you like to have a real conversation at all? i mean seriously couldnt we just actually talk instead of this weird deflection bait thing you are doing?

>>10292976
>actual studies
Oh boy!

>>10292962
>he can't tell anons apart
Welcome newfriend.

>>10292983
And your counter argument contributes to the topic at hand.... how?

>>10292985
What would you like to talk about? Let's talk about men and how stupid they are, shall we? It's impossible to reason with them because their penises are so small.

>>10292992
>>10292999
I just don't care enough. It's a failing. I should try to take misogynist brainlets more seriously.

>>10293002
no dude those things dont have any sort of correlation whatsoever
do you think there are less female chefs because men stop them or because women are more interested in different careers? or maybe they dont enjoy it if they do become a chef so the change at the time
do you think every man is stupid or inferior compared to you because they are a man?
do you think it is fair then for them to think women are stupid or inferior because they are a woman?
is this just an agree to disagree sort of thing because i think this is just a shame

Being a chef implies you are at least somewhere in the top portion of your field. Since the top end of the iq scale is dominated by men(as well as the bottom) it should be about as surprising that 4/5 chefs are men as what time the sun will rise in the morning.

Same works in reverse, I'd be hard-pressed to want to hire men in at a place like subway because chances are the men applying to work there are complete unreliable shit.

>>10293008
Yeah, think about taking yourself more serious, not everyone is some shallow-minded cunt that can't see opinions without being triggered.

>>10293011
>because women are more interested in different careers?
How can I respond to this garbled mess that floated up, turd like, from the depths of your burbled brain? I choose sarcasm.

>>10293039
i think its pretty simple between "are men stopping them from becoming chefs, or are they not interested in that field?"
either way we arent gonna talk and thats alright
good luck bud

>>10293035
And what opinions! You are full of them! Tell me some more of your cherished opinions about women. Please. I am listening.

>>10293044
You can't see what an idiotic supposition that is about women, so rather than teach you, I torment you. Nothing I say can divert you from the path of stupidity, so why try?

>>10293035
Seeing opinions. Yes, that makes sense.

>>10293029
You are so much wiser than me. A true chef. I bow to your superior intellect, just as the moon does obeisance to the rising sun.

>>10292099
>Only 4% of women are stay at home wives, this is intolerable

>>10293081
Why can't 100% of men be chained like animals? It's so unfair.

>>10291321

Fucking this

Do you people not realize the difference between "equity" and "equality"?

we already achieved equality, this is what it looks like.

>men aren't allowed to give birth and breastfeed
WHAT THE FUCK WHAT.THE.FUCK

>>10292589
Under rated post of the fucking year

>>10292890
>ask for ethical differential
>get a 'cos I sed so' answer
Apparently women are shit at elementary logic and ethics as well.

>>10290748
Horseshoe theory in action bro.

>>10291012
>Laughs in Shu

>>10292890
I'm married but even I recognize that at least 70% of modern women are absolute trash. There's nothing wrong with being a misogynist, even women kind of like it even though they won't admit it sometimes.

>>10293391
Agreed. Historical women like Golda Meir were so much more worthwhile.

>>10293203
You slept 5 hours, them woke up to breathlessly check thread, and post this excellent rejoinder.

>>10290717
Women are trash. Traps and trannies are superior.

Why does lefty media keep implying that gender imbalance in certain fields is a bad thing that needs to be rectified? boohoo, there are hardly any women rough-necking on oil rigs - those naughty men must be shutting womyn out and perpetuating the patriarchy. OR maybe women generally would rather not slog away in bad weather through the night for hours, covered in grease and drenched in their own sweat

>>10293661
Men are squalling infants with soft skulls.

>>10293664
>slog away in bad weather through the night for hours, covered in grease and drenched in their own sweat
Homoerotic fantasy.

Muh patriarchy! Time to bring back the scold’s bridle.

>>10293203
>studies ethics
>doesn't apply

>>10293665
Aww, the brainlet feminist is triggered. Poor dear.

>>10290717
>promote gender equity
>equity
>not equality.

Hm... okay.

>>10293678
You sound ugly..Are.children frightened when you occasionally leave your hovel?

>>10293203

>>10293706
You are welcome to all the cum you can swallow. One less numbskull is no loss to womankind.

>>10290717
My sister is a chef. She'd be the first to tell you most women aren't cut out for it.

>>10293718
It's funny how you guys all read the same Nazi leaflet and quote it.

>>10290717
Do women even know how to cook anymore? Not even memeing it seems like your average man can cook a hell of a lot better than woman

Have you seen a woman in a kitchen before? They can't handle the stress. I've seen so many women quit mid shift it's insane.

>>10293752
Your sister must posess manly qualities then. Does she shave in the morning?

ITT: rebbit comes to /ck/ and gets grabbed by the impotent pussy.

>>10293768
>important pussy
Fixed it for ya.

>>10293760
>I've seen so many women quit mid shift it's insane
No doubt to escape your boorish advances.

>>10293757
Make me a sandwich.

>>10292099
>>10293081

>There's too many women that have careers, and make stay at home wives feel ashamed, so we must increase those numbers. Encourage more women stay at home with the families.
kek

>we're at the point where people are unironically demanding that women go back to the kitchen as a feminist issue
lulz

>>10293760
>Have you seen a woman in a kitchen before? They can't handle the stress. I've seen so many women quit mid shift it's insane.

This. I was a line cook for 12 years and the emotional instability of women just does not pair well with the high stress levels of a real kitchen.

I can't recall how many times we've had female cooks just break down and start crying in the middle of fucking rush hour and then somebody else has to calm them down and pick up their slack.

I'm all for equality. As long as you can handle the work. If you can't, then fucking admit it.

I hate weak ass princesses that talk tough and then break down in tears blaming everybody else around her.

>>10290717
yo-yo-yo we need mo bitches in the kitchen. Its all bout dat gender equality no what im sayin?

SHIIIEEEETTTT

>>10292683
everythings a boys club you little bitch. get your women, and come into the profession

>>10290731
>celebrating women
>FORCING
you seem to have a weird definition of "force"

>>10294313
>I'm all for equality. As long as you can handle the work. If you can't, then fucking admit it.
>I hate weak ass princesses that talk tough and then break down in tears blaming everybody else around her.

This. It's usually the purple haired, excessively tattooed girl who talks alot of shit like she's a badass in the kitchen, then will inevitably fuck something up during the rush shift, and then start crying & making a scene.

Don't just talk tough sweetie. Nobody cares.

Be tough.

>>10293760
This is true for most high intensity or labor jobs. Most women just can't handle it. A lot of men can't either in all fairness

>>10294451
True. I try to not be a misogynist, but whenever I see a woman talking up her abilities, I tend to assume that means that whatever she's usually tasked with just isn't that demanding.

>>10293661
This is true. I'm a tranny and while it's harder to do this kind of work with female hormone levels, I'm still better at it than 90% of women.

What's the male:female ratio on wait staff?

>>10294483
Where I live it seems to be predominantly female. Almost all of them are divas who want to whine and gossip though, male or female.

>>10294499
>predominantly female
Let me amend that, it seems to be about 60/40 female to male. It's skewed but not massively so.

>>10294499
>predominantly female
That's my point. They walk into the exact same place and ask for a different job.

>>10294499
>>10294507
>>10294511
But chefs are still 80-20 male to female so what's the problem with becoming a chef?

>>10294448
>equality of outcome
>not forced
Go be dumb somewhere else.

>>10294511
You're absolutely correct, of course. The kitchen is an intense environment. Women generally don't want to engage in activities that will involve getting burned, cut, and sweaty as hell, especially when these are majority-male activities.

>>10294522
They're wanting to encourage women who would like to be chefs to pursue that. Your buzzword doesn't make it any more "forced," however. Until they are making women become chefs, it's not forced. Idiot.

>>10294499
> guys get paid shit for sweating their ass of as line cooks
> girls get pay + 20% tips for standing around and gossiping

Yes. Women have it so tough in the restaurant business.

>>10294448
>let's celebrate the incompetence of stronk powerful women
>progress

>>10294534
Read their post again brainlet. They want render equity. Can't have that without force.

>>10292896
What recipe would require such an ungodly amount of chili peppers, though?

>>10294535
Servers do usually work pretty well compared to people in most service industry jobs, to be fair. It's not a walk in the park, but the cooks definitely work much harder for much less pay. Even as a feminist I will argue that this is because the people who make up the back of house face institutional oppression. You could also brand this as lacking the skills which employers are looking for, but in using the term oppression I'm speaking only to an outcome which is sub-par due to circumstances-- do not strawman the term "oppression" to mean that I think there is a big bad white man telling the cooks to stay in the kitchen. But yes, the average woman is more privileged than the people in the back of house, who are majority men and Latino- many have criminal records, and often their level of English is either inadequate or just "unprofessional." There are legitimate gripes to be made about the ability of women to reach upper management in any industry, but for 90% of workers, being a woman is not really a barrier to advancement and pay. Also the communicative styles with which we raise women lend them a natural advantage in many aspects of employment. So this is some female privilege at play as well.

>>10294550
Until they are advocating force, it's not force. Stop with the paranoia, brainlet. Or do you consider humans to have no agency, so that saying "hey, have you considered being a cook?" counts as force in your book? How the fuck do you suppose some little goofy publication is going to force anyone to do anything? Jesus Christ, you are a mess.

>>10293724
You sound fat. How obese are you, behemoth?

>>10294475
Based tranny.

Bitches can't handle the heat. And the few who can are bull dykes with shit palates

>>10290717
So how is one becoming in Chef in the US?
In Germany one has to search a restaurant that trains and thus earn a place in a trade school.
Otherwise you can only become a "self taught chef" and those are dime a dozen.

>>10291537
>>10291933

I personally believe it's not the lack of religion, it's the lack of community. Religion is a very binding factor for identity.

Most of the western world has no identity (anymore) and thus people are left to create their own. This breeds envy, entitlement and creates a perfect model for sociopaths. (which is why sociopaths tend to dominate management positions and thrive in competitive workplaces) To top it off, marketing strategies are devised to add to a sense of character and status as well. (which in the past, was much less so, marketing was focused on promoting a product more for its merit and practical application). Combine that with the situation that technology and the world change faster than societies can handle... This is the result.

>>10291227
Because despite how well paying those professions are they do not affect society.
Women are being shoe-horned and gifted jobs in film, television, vidya games, comic books despite not having earned these jobs or simply being under qualified/experianced.
And it shows with the current trend of media that is being pumped out.
'Good' chefs get telvision work. Imagine in 3 years this set of women chefs telling her no holds barred sob story of the discrimination and rape that she faced as a young line cook and how the big bad patriarchy tried to keep her down.
Its another grab by, im sorry but its true, ((them)) at subverting anything that is western and masculine

>>10294645
>im sorry but its true, ((them))
I'm sorry, but it isn't true.

>>10294643

Religion is a very binding factor for community*, apologies.

>>10294555
Sambal

>>10294666
Satan telling lies for Jews. I'm not even shocked.

>>10294557
>Even as a feminist
Stopped reading right there

yknow ive seen alot of "wamen belong in kitchen" in my days, but in the years ive worked in restaurant the only people ive seen have mental breakdowns and/or cry mid-service were women.

>>10291688
Are you retarded?

>>10290717
All women suffer from mental defects. The cure for such disorders are beatings.

>>10294756
Finally a response. You should read it though. There's a reason the "even" is included.

>>10294824
With the backward logic most feminists have, no thanks

>>10295202
>im not going to read something because I might disagree with what it says
Thats the definition of backwards tho lol

>>10295256
I don't mind disagreement, if it came from a person who doesn't need to label themselves as a "feminist" because feminism itself is pretty backwards and stupid. I already know how stupid and asinine the argument is going to be.

Usually male cooks want to sleep with the women cooks and when they find out it's not going to happen they get angry and act like entitled children. Plus they're all dumb misogynists. Most of them just latch on to the latest trends and become fixated on knives because they don't understand food or have any original ideas of their own. 99% of male line cooks are fat greasy vidya addicted plebs that follow the herd. Never met a male line cook who had taste or artistry in their cooking.

>>10295256
>caring about what's in the mind of a mental patient

>>10293913
>boorish
aw did reddit learn a new word today? Was it in a Dr. Who episode, is that how you learned it?

>>10295281
You've spent 5x the time telling me that you aren't going to read it than it would take you to read it. So I already know that you are a petulant child. Good day.

The restaurant kitchen is not for women. It is for immigrant minorities working below minimum wage

>>10294557
wow it was so big of you to admit that as a feminist your own queefs don't smell the sweetest ALL the hours of the day

>>10295380
Say what you want about the spics but they take exactly zero shit from women.

>>10294643
I agree with this but intelligent sociopaths always tend to rise to the top because they are able to make dispassionate decisions about what is best for the people. Almost every great man of history was probably a sociopath to some degree.

Sociopaths decoupled from any and all sense of identity is a dangerous thing, however.

>>10295369
>feminist calling another person a petulant child
The irony.
Anyways, good day. lol

>>10295389
have you met their women? any interaction with them is like one big shit test

>>10294534
>They're wanting to encourage women who would like to be chefs to pursue that.
I have yet to see a woman who was shamed, oppressed, beaten, and honor killed for choosing to pursue the career of a chef.

>>10291090
This is very true. I work under a female Chef right now who has multiple James Beard nominations. She is one of the most professional chefs that I have ever worked under. Most female cooks I’ve worked with, worked pantry and did it for a job with no intention of making a career of it. There are no trades or careers that “need” more men or women. People just need to be professionals.

>>10294274
I could almost swear that I read this before. And it is true, many women are being shamed for not pursuing a career and for being staying at home NEET's. Only a matter of time before things become natural again. This timeline is not as bad as it seems after all.

>>10295416
My wife was almost overwhelmed with relief when she realized that she could just stay home with our kid. She told me that she felt like she had been gaslit her entire life into believing that being a high achieving career woman was the only respectable path but that she'd always just wanted to raise children and be a nurturing mother (of course, I married her because of these qualities).

It was a huge weight off of her, it was almost like someone who's gay finally realizing its OK to stop pretending to be straight. She had to basically "come out" to her bitchy divorced career-woman sister about it too, it's kind of hilarious in retrospect.

>>10295440
you hit the jackpot with your wife my fellow anon. i wish to find a woman like that as well. career driven women (and men) in general are insane. Nothing is wrong with work and starting your own business or whatever but sacrificing your life to pursue extra shekels is just crossing the line.

>>10295381
The hilarious thing is that if I had used the word egalitarian there everyone would agree with me. Fwiw this is the sign of a poor thinker.

>>10295448
Tfw split between wanting to stay home, take care of the kids, cook good meals for my husband, and engage in hobbies around the house OR pursuing accomplishment and pride in workplace success, feeling independent and strong.

They both have their appeals and it's kind of hard to know which one to choose. Like either way you are missing out potentially on something great. Maybe the best path though is to find a man with a lot of aspirations and support him as he pursues those while also taking care of the home and family. Achievement on both fronts may be possible then.

>>10292595
So full on ass and nipple grabbing is only sexual harassment if it is a woman? Because I can confirm that shit is common for both genders problem with that study is they only looked at complaints from women, I would wager half of my savings account that if you asked both men and women whether they have suffered harassment in a kitchen workplace the amount of men getting harassed would be way high than the amount of women getting harassed, guys just don't put in complaints about it or really care about it

>>10295448
Honestly, you have to start kind of young - I met her when she was 19. 4 years later and she'd have been so far gone deprogramming would have been impossible. Women who came from a family with a stay at home mom are a good place to start looking, as are girls who are very serious about church.

>>10295456
>egalitarian
No, I would have accused you of redditry and faggotry.
You have to be a literal brainlet or a college fag (what's the difference, really?) to be an egalitarian of any kind, there is so obviously a hierarchy of different kinds of sequentially better people

>>10295467
You HAVE to choose or else you will end up half-assing both things instead of whole-assing one thing. Most women who choose being a stay at home mom find it incredibly rewarding.

>>10295467
>Maybe the best path though is to find a man with a lot of aspirations and support him as he pursues those while also taking care of the home and family.
And these tend to be the best. I am a man who enjoys work and achieving new goals so often (not for shekels though). However there are times where i feel it would be amazing to share my dreams and hopes with someone who will actually have my back and listen and support me and a woman who can fill that role would be an amazing one. I think it all comes down to balance, the yin yang and what not. Logically if you look at it, I can't imagine two people who are burnt out from work to be able to hold a proper household. At least one of them should be on the comforting side.

>>10295474
>there is so obviously a hierarchy of different kinds of sequentially better people
That doesn't mean that it's wrong to advocate for equal opportunity. The goal is the betterment of all segments of society. Strengthen the parts, strengthen the whole.

>>10295505
>Logically if you look at it, I can't imagine two people who are burnt out from work to be able to hold a proper household
I agree. Not to mention, who raises the kids? Right now I am young and trying to gain some independence, so I work a lot.. And I find myself without energy to do too much more. I think I will try to become a housewife someday. Honestly I sort of wish I hadn't wasted my time going to college.

>>10295456
>if I had used the word egalitarian there everyone would agree with me

Nah, your feminist tone would still be there.

>>10295513
>Honestly I sort of wish I hadn't wasted my time going to college.
What field did you pursue?

>>10295507
Which is why dumb assholes like you are constantly bitching about lack of equity and natural hierarchies forming despite the fact their are multiple laws ensuring equality of opportunity.

You're a hypocrite, you don't even believe what you're preaching.

>>10295519
I don't want to say because anons will bully me. It did help me to become very articulate though.

>>10290717
>Complain that women are overrepresented in low pay, high stress nurse jobs
>Find it an issue that few women pursue career in different high stress shit pay industry

>>10295523
>dumb assholes
>their
Uh... huh.

>>10295532
>gets BTFO
>HA you made a grammar mistake tough luck pal

I'm in a doctoral program with a wife and child, I have nothing to prove to you apart from expressing my hatred towards redditor fags on 4 chan dot com

>>10295525
i understand, one girl in my college said it though. "Everyone is pursuing this international program only to find a husband, no one really is interested in the contents". That was regarding a masters program i took, i only took it because it was easy and from a top university which i will not name. But it makes a lot of sense. And it is not really a waste of time since you get to network with people and make lots of friends and connections so no worries! i am jealous of your husband though.

>women chefs
>women comics
>women preachers

>>10293203
>Women and ethics
Are you really that surprised?

>>10290776
Too real.

>>10295525
You can use it to help teach your children. My wife is using her History degree to homeschool our children

>>10291249
This post has activated all of my almonds.

And now I'm out of unactivated almonds that I needed for a recipe. Thanks anon...

>>10295552
>tfw they're universally terrible about all of these things
>tfw the bible literally warned us in both testaments about women preachers

>>10295545
>"haha but there are laws"
>thinks this is an argument
Feminists realize that there are laws "ensuring" equal opportunity. The obvious objection is that opportunities still aren't that equal because of cultural barriers in place. You can certainly disagree with their intentions, but you can't really deny that there are stereotypes in place like "computers are for boys." Feminists don't want to force women into computers, but they do want us to examine these cultural situations and determine whether more women might be interested in getting into computers were such stereotypes not in place. For a doctoral student, you seem very poor at abstraction. What are you studying?

>>10291688

>>10295553
"if that is true, how do you explain my feelings?"

>>10295551
>i am jealous of your husband though
It was a husband (future), lol. I don't have one, lol. I work in the service industry and honestly am kind of surrounded by retards.

>>10295559
This is a good point.

>>10295329
Wow what a sexist view to have about 50% of the population. Men aren't animals in heat, some are married and faithful yes even in kitchens and most aren't entitled since rejection is something guys get alot of. Women don't handle rejection so well because they rarely experience it in any severe way.

>>10295582
>allowing slogans like "computers are for boys" to dictate the course of your life
>falling back onto stereotype-threat arguments
I mean job breakdown by gender in very gender-neutral countries like Norway and Sweden already proves you very wrong but the fact that you're using these shit-tier redditor talking points shows you're just a fucking SJWtard and not interested in egalitarianism at all. You're interested in equity, not equality. Like I said before, you're a hypocrite who is only using these points as a cover for far more radical opinions.

>>10295329
More like men want to get shit done without drama but a decent amount of banter to make it all fun and all-male environments are the most conducive to this.

>>10295594
If you implicity (or even explicitly) signal your willingness to be a stay at home mother and cook/clean for your husband and family you will unironically have dozens of successful men drooling over you in a heartbeat.

>>10295529
Wanna know the worst part that if they ever did get majority of chef being women unions, insurance and kickbacks would instantly become the norm and it would be a plush job to have

>>10295629
this desu senpai
I've had too many women either start bitching at me or just run away whenever I'd say I want a stay-at-home wife to rise our children.

Fucking feminism, what else will it ruin? Sliced bread?

Ignorant feminist cunts have no idea how easy they have it.
Working in a hot, busy kitchen for 12 hours a day sucks.

>>10295635
Not true, women are proven job killers. More women than ever have become MDs and it's rapidly becoming a cancerous impotent profession at the beck and call of insurance companies and drug manufacturers.

>>10295582
>What are you studying?
Forgot to answer your question, it's a non-MD professional medical doctorate (DDS/DMD/OD/PsyD)

>>10295608
Oh how he assumes!

I didn't even say this is my belief, I was explaining that this is what feminists want. Personally I feel that gender roles give us a unified set of cultural norms, which, while we can either follow or oppose, allow us to structure our lives as part of a larger coherent totemic culture.

Even if you disagree with something, anon, you have to understand it well in order to be productive.

>>10290793
I think its just the fact that women are socially conditioned to go after lesser paying careers.

Its why the pay gap exists, women are taught from day one to go after cleaning/teaching/nursing instead of trades/administration/doctor.

Why else would they choose careers that pay less and require more schooling? Its certainly not easier.

tldr blame corporate america

>>10295629
100% agree with this. If only women would stop being so tsundere about their desire to bear and raise children i the comfort of their homes.

>>10295582
You do know back in the day 20 years ago computers were seen as feminine and work involving computers were mostly female dominated, women just lost interest in the field though and men picked it up as a niche hobby where it was at for another decade until it gained enough traction and innovation to be popular and lucrative. Feminists have been around since the 40s so where were they to innovate tech industries back when it was a woman dominated field? Why are they only now after it became innovated and is a prestigious and lucrative field are feminist criticizing computer science programs?

>>10295655
>coherent totemic culture
holy shit either I have been getting b8ed hard these past few posts or you HAVE to go back

>>10295648
That poor dude. I hope he found a nice wholesome girl that appreciated his hard work to support the family and they had many children(but not so many that he had torouble supporting them).

Modern bitches are far removed from anything remotely like hard work their whole understanding of how the world works is warped by the idology of feminism where everything is sexist.

>>10291339
>>10291529

Actually, in a stanford study, they sent out the same resume to a bunch of different labs with a male named version and a female named version. Same qualifications and experience.

Male resume came back with a shit ton more job offers and 30% higher salary offer on average

>>10295676
[citation needed]

>>10295676
Source?

>>10295669
??

I'm arguing that we are better off with a shared culture. This is pro-traditionalism. Why are you triggered?

>>10295639
>>10295660
>>10295594
I'll even go as far to say that you don't even have to be that attractive.

>>10295676
see>>10295618
Who cares how big their brains are if they destroy the social dynamic of the workplace? Not to mention most research-level jobs can be performed by trained monkeys, I did one for years prior to applying for grad school. If you get to the level where your IQ level actually counts for something, shit becomes a strict meritocracy FAST

>>10291961
Its that so far, women have been socialized into lower paying professions where men have been herded into higher paying/upper level management positions.

This leads to a gap in pay between men and women, so these progressive groups are trying to encourage women to go after high paying jobs as well.

>>10295665
>You do know back in the day 20 years ago computers were seen as feminine and work involving computers were mostly female dominated,
That's a vast oversstatement.

>Furthermore, the percentage of women working in computer science-related professions has steadily declined since the 1990s, dropping from 35% to 25% in the last 15 years.

https://www.computerscience.org/resources/women-in-computer-science/

>>10295676

>>10295695
>women have been socialized into lower paying professions
This has never been proven and countries with the highest levels of gender equality have even greater levels of gender disparity in traditionally gendered professions like nursing and teaching than the united states.

>>10295695
>men have been herded into higher paying/upper level management positions
>men have been herded
>into hirher paying positions
>herded
>into higher pay
How backwards can your logic get? Men are naturally competitive, and their value to the opposite sex is directly dependent on how well they can provide for their family. Why wouldn't the natural outcome be most cempetitive men competing with other men for most well paying positions?

>>10291490
lol that was all propaganda you fucking tard

>>10295693
Not that guy, but it doesn't follow. And really, wrapping common-sense like:

>we are better off with a shared culture

with:

>Personally I feel that gender roles give us a unified set of cultural norms, which, while we can either follow or oppose, allow us to structure our lives as part of a larger coherent totemic culture.

is mental masturbation at best.

>>10295685
>>10295690
http://gender.stanford.edu/news/2014/why-does-john-get-stem-job-rather-jennifer

>>10295694
How would they get to the level where shit matters if they can't even get a foot in the door?
If your "social dynamic" is something that would be destroyed by not being able to be openly sexist, then just admit you hate women and stop trying to justify it.

Also, diversity has only been beneficial to the companies that make an attempt to implement it

>>10295741
>n=127
ISHYGDDT

>>10295729
I mean I'll grant that "totemic" is a bit of an auxiliary inclusion here, but it does explain in a bit more depth my position. The rest of the sentence is all very straightforward. I went to school for this shit, so yes, I soaked up some of the flatulence of academia, but I will always advocate for seemingly-excessive linguistic clarity over brevity anyway.

>>10295741
>Also, diversity has only been beneficial to the companies that make an attempt to implement it

>>10295655
>I feel that gender roles give us a unified set of cultural norms, which, while we can either follow or oppose, allow us to structure our lives as part of a larger coherent totemic culture.

This is easier to feel when your gender is the one that is in control, makes more money, and is generally held less accountable.

>>10295752
Is that the prominent white-supremecist known only as O'Brian?

>>10295552
That's funny, I'm a female line cook who draws comics.

>>10295741
>Also, diversity has only been beneficial to the companies that make an attempt to implement it
Untrue:

http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2016/03/science-vs-advocacy-benefits-of.html

The study:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/josi.12163/full

>>10295698
>Literally proves my point
Right before the 90s was the decline I just mentioned in the late 80s computers were a niche hobby that women had be already walking away from only in the late 90s with the spread of the internet and Packard Bell computers and founding of Microsoft did computers and things related to the technology actually take off, now and only now are feminist pushing for women in tech fields, where were they back then when women started leaving the field?

I know you are probably a freshman in college taking your first women's studies classes and think men are Boogeymen of the patriarchy but ask your professor she will brag about how early computers were a feminine thing, ask her about the future and she will say that it is female due to a bigger push for college scholarships in STEM fields but ask her about how point A got to point B and she won't be able to answer it because it isn't taught in women's studies classes and the reason is that women made a choice to leave the field until men came along and revived a dead hobby and changed the world with it and only now are women actually interested in it again because they want the success and status

>>10295761
>men
>generally held less accountable
>than women

>>10295769
And I'll bet society bends over backwards for you regardless of your skill level at either of those

>>10295741
They purposely chose one of the most rigid and unegalitarian professions out there in order to publish propaganda in a "scientific" journal, what a load of absolute bullshit.

I bet they'd find similar results with garbagemen jobs but you don't seem them doing those studies and lamenting the sexism of the garbage-collecting profession, do you?

>being openly sexist
More like being upset women becoming bitchy and throwing a fit about crude jokes, the lightest of banter, and mansplaining (aka normal male modes of communication). Yes, I openly believe that women spoil this type of environment that is most stimulating to the male mind.

>>10295774
Maybe not young men that don't regularly socialize and stay on the internet all day, where women have a stronger voice.

But if you work in corporate america or even just affluent areas you'll see the disparity. The fact that its a big enough of a deal that men are being charged for their sexual crimes that it gets national media coverage is a huge indication of it.

>>10295795
>where women have a stronger voice.
do you even know where you are right now?

>>10295771
I envy you if you think 20 years ago refers to the late 70's.

> According to the National Center for Education Statistics, in the 1984-1985 academic year women accounted for nearly 37% of all computer science undergraduate students. This number steadily dropped as the widespread use of home computers became more common. A 1985 report on the everyday usage of personal computers within the home found that men were both far more likely to use a computer, and to use it for more hours per week than women. Only 27% of men reported not using a computer on a weekly basis, compared to 55% of females surveyed. As of 2010-2011, women made up just 17.6% of computer science students.

>>10295759
Maybe in the social sciences that would considered correct, but that's because those fields are filled with stupids.

>>10295795

>>10295795
>The fact that its a big enough of a deal that men are being charged for their sexual crimes
OK boys, pack it in, we've been had by a master ruseman and b8er

>>10295759
>I went to school for this shit, so yes, I soaked up some of the flatulence of academia
>he doesn't know how to switch it on and off when it's appropriate
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>>10295792
>They purposely chose one of the most rigid and unegalitarian professions out there in order to publish propaganda in a "scientific" journal,
I mean, the point is that its an unegalitarian profession. That's what they wanted to show. Its hard for women to get into STEM, even when they're just as qualified to be there.

>I bet they'd find similar results with garbagemen jobs but you don't seem them doing those studies and lamenting the sexism of the garbage-collecting profession, do you?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/17/gender.uk

It's not that they don't want to enter these manual trades. Women are socialized from birth to feel that they should be small, weak, nurturing, and to enter this trade would go against their nature. Imagine the judgement a woman garbage collector would face, she would be called a dyke/bro/etc. Most women would rather be strippers than shunned for being a garbage collector because it falls in line with the gender identity they were taught since birth.

>>10295800
Are you trying to say that women don't have a strong voice anywhere then?

I just mean to say that women have a comparatively stronger voice on the internet. You can't openly say "I would rape her" on facebook or twitter whereas I've heard that from coworkers in my office multiple times.

Everyone ITT saying that women suck and can't hack it, and shouldn't be cooks or chefs and should stay at home, barefoot and pregnant, and seem to have no idea why this could be discouraging to women who have to work with male cooks who feel this way. If you're a male cook, you're judged on your kitchen skills and personal merits, it's not, "Oh, he's a man, so I assume he can't do the job just because he has a penis." No one who posted ITT can grasp this. Can someone explain to me why, if the situation were reversed, and all your co-workers were female, and assumed you couldn't do your job because of your penis, that this would add an additional hurdle to your success, that women would not experience, in these reversed circumstances? The deck is stacked against women becoming chefs, because of the universal attitude of male kitchen workers towards women. It's not impossible for women to become chefs, but they have to wade through a morass of sexist bullshit to do it. Men don't have to do that. Men only face the normal obstacles to becoming a chef. Prove me wrong. A lot of straight guys ITT are also saying they've been sexually harassed working in a professional kitchen, and I don't believe it. I'd like to read one greentext of a straight male line cook or chef being sexually harassed by a woman at work, where the advances were repeated and unwelcome. Yet every woman who works in a kitchen experiences that, pretty much EVERY DAY at work. This is another barrier to women becoming chefs. How can you guys not understand this. I think you do understand, but it is convenient to pretend not to.

>>10295850
No I mean in the sense that there are PhDs that run everything and relegate all of the shit-tier monkey work to a research tech that is trying to live in San Francisco on less than 20$ an hour

>small
Objectively true
>weak
Again, objectively true, a middling or even low-tier college mens team could wipe the floor with the WNBA or the US women's soccer team.
>nurturing
Yet again, only women can breast feed and there is an chemical oxytocin bond created between mother and child when this happens in addition to strengthening the child's immune system. Breastfed children come out stronger, smarter, and happier. There are special NURTURING functions that only women can provide to their children.

It seems like you have a problem with objective reality and you're bending over backwards to try and make it conform to your religious beliefs

>>10295869
Holy shit this brick of hysterical ranting text could only have been written by a woman. Why would any man waste their time reading this or putting up with your bitching?

>>10295869
This. The biggest point being that there are EXTRA hurdles women must cross to be competent chefs, the first being that there is already this idea that a woman is only there as a token, she must not be good at her job, they only hired her because they're pretty, etc etc.

Then they are criticized more harshly than their peers, and have the added pressure of representing all women in their actions when they are in fact an individual.

Why is the concept that some people are disadvantaged so hard to grasp? Imagine a poor kid from the deep south that went to an ill-funded highschool with no afterschool tutoring resources/no extracurriculars, and a kid that went to a well funded highschool in new york that provided laptops/ap classes/etc. While it is possible that both kids can learn the material and succeed/go to a good college, it'll be significantly harder for the poor kid to do it, and he'll have to expend a lot more effort.

>>10295898
Go suck a dick, creep. The grownups are talking.

>>10295925
No thank you, I am happily married to a woman who loves me and is excited about spending as much time as possible with our child

>>10295869

>>10295940
>I am happily married to a woman who loves me
She just doesn't realize what a cunt you are yet.

>>10295919
Why is it such a hard concept for you to grasp that life is inherently unfair and your neurotic obsession with making everything level and equal is not only an impossible task but is actually an example of deep religious belief no different than asserting that the earth is 6000 years old?

>>10295885
>No I mean in the sense that there are PhDs that run everything and relegate all of the shit-tier monkey work to a research tech that is trying to live in San Francisco on less than 20$ an hour

The position was for a lab manager, no a research tech though. I don't think this applies in that case.

>>small
>Objectively true
>>weak
>Again, objectively true, a middling or even low-tier college mens team could wipe the floor with the WNBA or the US women's soccer team.

While it may be objectively true that women are smaller than men, they are made to think they are so small and fragile that they can't do manual labor, which is untrue. While women may be smaller/weaker than men on average, both genders are equally capable of lifting a 20 lb pipe up a flight of stairs, and would learn to do so with ease after a few months in the trade.

>>10295959
Probably, we've been together for 7 years and were married only 1 year ago. After nearly a decade my deep cover is slipping

>>10290717
I thought my mom was a great cook too until I started doing it.

>>10295965
So why aren't women focusing on those professions then? It's actually impossible to find any significant women's organization lamenting the lack of equality in manual labor trades

>>10295963
>Why is it such a hard concept for you to grasp that life is inherently unfair
This is a medieval way of thinking. If we can improve our society so that the majority of the population that is stuck suffering can get more opportunity, why shouldn't we?

>>10295978
See>>10295850

Women are told from day one they are too weak, too small, too fragile and should be pretty and nurturing. They don't want the social stigma that comes with entering these trades.

Whereas its actually attractive for a man to enter these trades, ex, construction worker fantasy

>>10295987
>This is a medieval way of thinking.
No, this is reality.
>If we can improve our society so that the majority of the population that is stuck suffering can get more opportunity, why shouldn't we?
You are one of these people that confuse equality of opportunity with equality outcome, which is why you are advocating for the latter using the arguments for the former.

Please spend some time educating yourself about your opinions and think about them a bit before inflicting them on others.

>>10295963
Life in a kitchen is unfair. For women, it's more unfair, mainly because men are insecure babies. In other words, life is more unfair for female kitchen workers for arbitrary reasons that can and should change. Your fatalism about the sexism women experience in professional kitchens is perhaps because you are not affected by it. You might even benefit from it. Life is unfair, but that's no reason to fold our hands and give up trying to change things that can be changed for a more positive outcome.

>>10295978

Your fatal mistake is in believing that women actually want to work, when in reality, they just want to complain.

>>10295987
>Women are told from day one they are too weak
Weaker than men, yes.
>too small
Smaller then men, yes.
>too fragile
More fragile than men, yes.
>and should be pretty and nurturing.
If they cannot compete with men on equal planefield, they should take advantage of the fact that they can manipulate men using their femininie nature. What's wrong with that?
Why do you insist on trying to do thing that nature/god did not made you for?

>>10295987
>This is a medieval way of thinking.
Society has gotten objectively worse on multiple fronts since we abandoned this "medieval" way of thinking. For instance, the number of women with alcoholic liver disease is at an all time high, as is the number of women on antidepressants. Wages are also much lower, which is a direct result of feminism driving down the demand for single incomes that could support a family.

Again with the small, weak, and fragile thing: you clearly don't understand how much physical labor is involved in a lot of these jobs. I have worked both as a furniture mover and a landscaper and the pool of women who have the physical vitality to complete an 8 hour shift at either one of those jobs is incredibly small.

If they aren't told that from birth then they learn it for themselves the first time they see an average looking dude deadlift 300lbs at the gym.

>>10296006
>men are insecure babies
Uhh wow sweetie, sexist and racist much?

>>10295969
Try being less of a sexist pig if you love your wife. You don't have to be a wimp, just less piggy. I'm not even kidding. Don't get divorced later in life, it sucks.

>>10296011
I'll give feminism one thing: they ARE better at pain tolerance and have better immune systems than men but this is just more evidence of the fact that evolution literally built them for childbearing.

Not to mention, pain is actually a very good signal to hear if you are at risk of injuring yourself. Again, testament to men's past as mostly manual laborers.

>>10296009
>Your fatal mistake is in believing that women actually want to work, when in reality, they just want to complain.

This. Maybe 25% of the "feminists" will actually stfu and try to do work equal to men. The rest of the 75% will bitch and moan non stop if you tried to give them the same workload men do.

>>10296027
>sexist
if by this you mean "stop pretending that it's my wife's job to raise the kid and cook while it's my job to make money", then no, I wons't

>divorced
So this explains your attitude towards men. Care to talk a little bit about why this happened?

>>10296028
I don't remember the study, but I believe this is only when you don't control for incentive.

If men are incentivised, either with money, or when being watched by a really attractive lab assistant, men actually can increase their pain tolerance by quite a bit, far beyond what women can withstand. Meaning, if there's something to gain, man adjust their pain tolerance accordingly.

Womens ability to tolerate pain does not scale with incentives provided. They have a celling and that's that.

>>10296015
Sexist, sure. Men are pigs, did you not read the thread? Racist... I don't know how saying men are babies is racist. And they most certainly are. ALL of them need a pacifier.

>>10296049
damn, b8ed again

>>10296049
>Men are pigs
More like direct, brash and crass.

>>10296059
This, my study group at school consists of 4 dudes and we make up disgusting mnemonics to help memorize concepts. A grill attempted to join for a short period of time but left because she was so put off by all the IRL shitposting that went on. She also attempted to put a stop to it before she left, proving that she really believed that this established group that had been meeting already for months should alter it's social dynamic to make her feel comfortable.

>>10296041
I am happily married, never divorced. And you made some piggy comment I'm too lazy to find and read again (why would I do this?) Yeah, you're sexist, and your wife will figure it out someday. Poor you.

>>10296049
sorry I don't think its the place of barren harpies to be commenting on who does and doesn't need a pacifier

>>10296059
No, they are pigs. Full-blown porkers. It's a fact.

>>10296091

>>10296078
Oh sweetie she's known for years I have certain expectations of her. You poor thing, finding out for the first time that not everyone shares your deeply held religious beliefs.

>>10296104
>maximum_sweetie.jpg

>>10296085
I have a young child and he is more mature than all the manbabies who have posted ITT. Waaah! Waaah! This is what your mewling comments sound like falling upon an adult ear.

>>10296119
...so who takes care of him during the day?

>>10296104
I don't care enough to argue with you, hon. You're too needy.

>>10296127
His parents.

>>10296138
...so neither of you work, or you both work from home, or what?

>>10296072
Sounds like a true meeting of the minds. Enjoy your wallow unfettered by female companionship.

>>10296133
You sound like a very motherly and nurturing person
>>10296154
I'm the same dude who is married, so yeah hanging out with some other men is fun from time to time

>>10296145
That's classified info, Socrates.

>>10296164
lmao you stay home and take care of the kid and are buttblasted about it aren't you?

>>10296162
>You sound like a very motherly and nurturing person
Yes, to those who deserve it, not randos in a thread looking for pets. I don't run a petting zoo.

>>10296167
I guess it will always remain a mystery to you, haunting you, long after the thread has died. Rest assured, you will never know. Your feeble taunts are useless.

>>10296167
>>10296195
get a room you to and fuck already

>>10296195
Nah, this is as good as a yes

>>10296208
A reply without a leading question. Good.

>>10296048
>when being watched by a really attractive lab assistant, men actually can increase their pain tolerance by quite a bit
Scientific proof that men are dumb. FACT: None of the men in that study got laid for juicing themselves with electricity until the pain became unbearable. LMAO at men.

>>10296249
You see lads, this is what we're missing out on by not letting the ladies into our professions. Shame, really

>>10295869
>Everyone ITT saying that women suck and can't hack it, and shouldn't be cooks or chefs and should stay at home, barefoot and pregnant, and seem to have no idea why this could be discouraging to women who have to work with male cooks who feel this way. If you're a male cook, you're judged on your kitchen skills and personal merits, it's not, "Oh, he's a man, so I assume he can't do the job just because he has a penis." No one who posted ITT can grasp this. Can someone explain to me why, if the situation were reversed, and all your co-workers were female, and assumed you couldn't do your job because of your penis, that this would add an additional hurdle to your success, that women would not experience, in these reversed circumstances? The deck is stacked against women becoming chefs, because of the universal attitude of male kitchen workers towards women. It's not impossible for women to become chefs, but they have to wade through a morass of sexist bullshit to do it. Men don't have to do that. Men only face the normal obstacles to becoming a chef. Prove me wrong. A lot of straight guys ITT are also saying they've been sexually harassed working in a professional kitchen, and I don't believe it. I'd like to read one greentext of a straight male line cook or chef being sexually harassed by a woman at work, where the advances were repeated and unwelcome. Yet every woman who works in a kitchen experiences that, pretty much EVERY DAY at work. This is another barrier to women becoming chefs. How can you guys not understand this. I think you do understand, but it is convenient to pretend not to.
Enlightened post. Impossible to prove wrong by logical argument.

>>10296261
>voluntarily zaps himself with 100,000 jigowatts
>goes home and jerks off to lab assistant who has forgotten him

>>10296290
>being attractive enough that a man remembers you and jerks off to you
youdontknowthisfeel.tif

Everytime I post in this thread, it goes dead for awhile, and there is a moment's peace from the misogynist jibber-jabber. It's quite restful.

>>10296204

I second this. Both of you squabbling children can piss right off.

>>10296318
The lab assistant would care little if she knew, I'm sure. Perhaps she would laugh about it with her friends. It IS pleasant to think of a man so electrified.

>>10296355
Please explain why women are not affected at all by the rampant sexism in a professional kitchen.

>>10296404

I do not deny that. It's rather that you're both acting like a bunch of cunts. Just stop.

>>10292039
>This has been the case in comic book titles and video game publishers.
Because in America, comic books have never been marketed to girls. Comic book publishing is the most sexist niche industry in the US.

Inb4 buhh Wonder Woman

>>10296442
O.K., sorry. I like to blow off steam by baiting the brainlets in women hate threads. It's satisfying when they all scatter like roaches under a kleig light. They've all popped back to their hidey holes. I'll stop now. :)

It's truly a testament to how fucking lazy and incompetent women are that they aren't equal to men in the culinary world , despite having more tastebuds.

>>10295416
They should be shamed. This isn't 1920. We have automatic washing machines and other appliances that have taken away most of the actual work out of house work The only exception I can tolerate is if the kids are homeschooled. Housewives are lazy sacks of ambitionless shit

>>10290776
Tips should be abolished you rube. Don't burden your customer with deciding your employees wage, that's your fucking job

>>10293111
>be man
>work some job for 8 hours every day to support your wife and kids
>wife gets to spend time alone while kids are at school and generally spends more time with the kids as well
>wife complains on 4chan that women are in chains

I would love to be a stay at home husband

>the job that requires long unsociable hours leaving little room for family life is dominated by men

Shocker