/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>source:
https://www.theguardian.com/animals-farmed/2018/feb/21/dirty-meat-shocking-hygiene-failings-discovered-in-us-pig-and-chicken-plants

>>10181574
>New analysis reveals
Source?

yeah it's pretty bad
i hate that "usda prime" is a meme for stupid people so finding actual good beef can be difficult

>>10181586
>the color of fat as an indicator of quality

>>10181589
I like white fat and yellow women

>literally never had a foodborne illness in my life
I don't think that statistic can be correct. So on average, everyone gets a food borne illness once every seven years. Yet I've met like 3 people max who have ever had something like salmonella from home-cooked food. Excepting restaurant food. In that case, it's not low quality of food causing the illness, it's shit tier mexican wageslave cooks who don't wash their hands after they shit. My advice: don't eat at a place that hires spics and niggers. Problem solved.

Anyway, no point wasting good food on fatty poorfags. Let them eat pus sacks.

obsessed

>>10181574

>>10181619
The (((research))) was done by the Guardian and some nobody NGO. Quit reading after that, the obvious anti-brexit angle taints the whole story also.

>>10181626
>>10181629
>>10181658
nice non-responses to the findings

>>10181581
It's in all the papers, anon. Surely google news will get you sauce?

>>10181761
not an argument

>>10181761
I'm questioning the findings, methodology, and motivation. It's called critical thinking skills, my pasty faced inbred friend.

>>10181788
enjoy your foodbourne disease, friendo :^)

>>10181619
How about you cuckasians start working these jobs again?

How much horse meat did they find?

>>10181574
This has been known since forever. Are they just maneuvering this in a bid to get more food shipped in from China? I'm glad I became a farmer.

>>10181658
Both of those sources are highly acclaimed for their work. Deny all you want.

>>10181658
this. pretty much soros shilling.

USA quality of life is surprisingly poor for many of us. Most people are a paycheck away from living on the streets. The food distribution networks are over-taxed. Livestock is pumped full of all sorts of drugs to increase growth, stave off infection, and whatever else you can think of. I am sickened by the typical meat you get at Wal-Mart or other low-end markets in the states. But it's all I can afford, and many others are in the same situation.

>>10182601
Find 3 things that are (((problematic))) with the piece.

>>10182615

>>10181574
Well yeah, no surprises here.

>>10182615
It is rather sad. The richest country in the world has the lowest standard of living of any first world country. That's what happens in late stage capitalism when all tax money goes to the military and those corporations and special interest johns who paid the most to a whore congress and presidency. But they're digging their own grave. Good riddance.

>one time, the USDA found something gross and made them stop

who do you think writes those reports?

>>10182053
wtf is a cuckasian?

I don't really understand how you COULD assume US meat has a good quality when you consider the culture it exists in.
Everything needs to be nickled and dimed, regulations are for communists and liberals, it's literally illegal to film certain animal farms because the conditions are so bad etc.
Chickens are dipped in fucking chlorine because they're so infested with shit from the farms, not to mention fed arsenic and beef is injected with growth hormones to produce larger livestock (illegal in many places of the world).

I'm sure you can get some of the best pieces of meat in the world in America, but the average cut in the store is fucking shit.

>>10182749
It's not the richest country in the world, and by every measure the standard of living is very, very high. Cute, but it's easy to see through your schtik.

>>10182615
>I am sickened by the typical meat you get at Wal-Mart or other low-end markets in the states. But it's all I can afford

Then can't you just not eat meat?

>>10182808
It's like something is trying to destroy the people from the inside out. This is idolatry and occultism at its finest.

>>10182846
meat is one of the few luxuries poor people can afford in USA

>>10182853
Poor people arent poor in the U.S.A.

>>10181619

The only one I've ever had was my own fault for storing something improperly. I really wonder if it isn't just the complete lack of common sense from "THUG LYFE" causing some of that food poisoning.

and yes I am literally asking how many of the poisoning cases are stupid niggers

>>10182808

>growth hormones

rbST is mentioned on almost every label as not being present, we bitched it out of existence, again with this europe being decades out of date shit

those crazy american kids and their bellbottoms huh?

>>10182749
>when all tax money goes to the military

I agree about the corporations and special interests, but money spent on the US militarily usually finds it's way into the pockets of workers. The only really wasteful things in military spending are no-bid contracts and the mismanagement of funds (which are often connected to each other). Otherwise the military employs a lot of people, not just in combat positions, but also in research, engineering, administrative, and other professional positions too. These aren't corporate minimum wage part-time retail jobs, these are jobs that pay a decent living wage and have good benefits.

>>10181619
I think in many cases, a bout of diarrhea is as bad as it gets.

>>10182883
Back to your cesspool of a board >>>/pol/

So that's why chicken tastes like pool

>>10181574
I agree. its so bland and low quality. I'm from Alberta Canada and traveled to the US for a few months and cooked some food and can absolutely taste and feel a huge difference between the quality. Feel sorry for Americans

So what's the Brits top standard of beef? Is it rated by horse content?

>>10182953
hey guys! look at this butthurt nigger.

>>10182953
Oh no, an MSPaint image. You really showed them.

>>10182953
I haven't been to reddit in years. Is it this bad over there now?

>>10183046
I wish deregulate everything meme would die. It's only giving everyone shitty everything.

>>10181574
>shockingly

>>10182953
>/bant/
avatarfags and tripfags begone from this holy board

>>10183127
no one is forcing anyone to buy anything.

>>10182615
Might I offer a solution?
>steep tax hikes for the rich
>cut taxes on the middle class and poor
>legislate a Universal Basic Income, though one that is equivalent to less than minimum wage
>legislate new higher health and quality standards for commercial meat production
>legislate tons of new regulations on the economy in general aimed at protecting consumers and natural resources
>legislate tax cuts for traditional, enivornmentally friendly, small scale farms
>tax the absolute fuck out of factory farms, particularly ones with high water usage, and stop subsidizing their destruction of out nation’s environment
>pay for ad campaigns that educate the public about environmental issues as well as dietary health and how the two relate
>accept that Socialism Lite™ is what America needs to tame capitalism so that as success comes to as many of us as possible

>>10183213
I like this plan

>>10183213
It's either this or the continual shrinking of the middle class and an environment that rivals Beijing with a few percent who can jet off to a socialist lite country that still has a relatively pristine environment for their fun.

>>10183213
better dead than red

>>10183213
>steep tax hikes for the rich
>some loop hole gets added that brings them back down to 2% again
or
>steep tax hikes for the rich
>the rich all move away

ftfy

>>10183149
>no one has to eat the only slop we ladle into their pig trough
You must be awfully desperate for big agri/chemical corporate cock to white night them on a namibian colonial diamond mining discussion board.

>>10183213
The rich people are already the ones that pay all the taxes you dumbfuck. Fuck off back to /pol/

>>10183459
Yes, that's correct, white people are so dumb they will eat anything if not legislated and regulated just like the european cattle they descended from

>>10183463
Why would he go to /pol/, a primarily right leaning board with his socialist ideals you fucking brainlet

>>10183475
That's the politics board, correct? That's where anyone can go to talk politics, unless they want a circlejerk thread on an unrelated, offtopic board. And why are you assuming xer's gender you shitlord?

>>10183213
How much should the rich pay, and how much should the poor pay?

>>10183463
Lol! Drumpf literally refused to release his taxes because they showed he payed nothing and Cletus McTroglodyte might have opened opened his eyes and slobbered, "nahhh."

>>10183518
The top 1% pay 68% of the taxes.
While the bottom 50% pay 3%.

I'll ask you again: How much should everyone pay?

>>10182853
Can puss-filled, glued together, chlorinated floor-meat from Walmart really be considered a luxury item though?

Wouldn't cleaner non-meat foods be considered better?

>>10183527
*10%

>>10181574

This is why I am pescatarian. Fucking disgusting.

>>10183540
There's nothing wrong with chlorinated chicken, it's a trade measure designed to protect the walled garden EU market.

>>10183488
You're not funny, you obvious leddit transplant. You sound like you just came here after you saw a WACKY screenshot of a dinotendies thread on Facebook.

PETA thread is peta.

>>10182615
I can sympathize, but affordable meat is a relatively new phenomenon. So there's that at least.

>>10183581
You're not very creative, and sorry for shitting in your daisy chain

>>10183554
Do you eat tilapia and salmon that live in their own crowded shit water? Unless you're discerning or rich, you're eating trash if you're buying regular shit from the store.

>>10183213
>so that as success comes to as many of us as possible
why the fuck do I care if you're successful or not?
fuck off

>American meat that tastes like garbage came from livestock that was raised in garbage

Yeah, we know. We are also not going to do anything about it because we don't want to corn producers to get mad

>>10181619
>don't eat at a place that hires spics and niggers

That is every restaurant as they are the only ones who will literally work for free to get a step in the industry

>>10183704
>Salmonella and norovirus are both highly associated with “complex foods” (tied for 6th), a category created
to capture outbreaks associated with non-meat dishes comprised of multiple ingredients, and for which a
specific contaminated ingredient could not be identified. The nature of these outbreaks suggests an important
role for contamination, cross-contamination, and other mistakes during handling, preparation, and cooking.
The role of food workers has long been understood as a critical factor in outbreaks (Greig et al. 2007). It
has been suggested that up to 70 percent of foodborne illness are acquired outside the home (Chapman et
al. 2010). In our analysis of complex food outbreaks between 1998 and 2008, more than 70 percent of those
due to Salmonella and 80 percent of those due to norovirus were prepared in professional kitchens.

niggers and spics, folks.

>>10181574
>The US has shockingly high levels of foodborne illness, according to a new analysis by UK pressure group Sustain. It says that annually, around 14.7% (48 million people) of the US population is estimated to suffer from an illness, compared to around 1.5% (1 million) in the UK.
Do people in the UK have better sanitary habits? I've seen people like Auntie Fee (RIP) handling raw chicken and then touching spice containers and other things in the kitchen without washing her hands, and a bunch of YT comments saying how it's fine because they have immune systems and worrying about cleanliness is for wimps. Does that ever happen in the UK?

>>10181619
>don't eat at a place that hires spics and niggers.
literally impossible to avoid nowadays

>>10182953
nigger

>>10183447
>rich all move away
what's the problem lad

>>10181589

Yellowish fat on beef will generally indicate that the animal was raised on grass. You can find grass fed beef with white fat, too, but generally it means that it is grain fed.

If raised properly and cooked properly, grass fed beef trounces grain fed beef every time.

>>10181580
>guardian.

>>10184290
Cows can't physically eat enough grass to get proper marbling. They need to at least be finished with grain to produce good steak.

>>10181619
I've had food poisoning from chain restaurants no less than 4 times in my adult life.

Thanks Bennigans.
Thanks McYuck.

>>10184290
So according to canada grass fed beef (yellow fat) is inferior

>>10181580
wtf I'm vegan n-
>source: the guardian
hue

>>10183213
That one time anon fixed America.

>>10182953
Stop using /bant/ as the scapegoat for your bullshit, faggot.

>>10184945
But /bant/ is basically the only fun posting board not filled with polshitters

>>10184959
Newfag.

>>10183550
>>10183555
>>10183562
>>10183568
butthurt yank

>>10185029

>>10185029
I'm pretty sure the only people who care about the UK enough to hate them are the Irish and Scottish.

La creatura is triggered

>>10183562
But the EU itself is a dystopian nightmare police state too.

>>10181574
Yuck, now i dont feel like travelling to america as much anymore... idk how they can support this industry. how morally bankrupt do u have 2 be???

>>10182953

>>10181788
Then surely you can muster up a better counterargument than 'hurrrr librul propaganda'. They've done the statistical analysis, and have ample evidence of poor sanitation from boots-on-the-ground reports. And figures from the CDC back up their findings, if you're so eager to dismiss NGOs.

https://www.cdc.gov/foodborneburden/2011-foodborne-estimates.html

Again, what is your counterargument? Or are you going to keep shilling for Big Agriculture, goy?

>>10185127
Shilling would imply we care what they're doing, and I'm not sure why we should.
Are you by any chance a vegan? Just asking.

>>10183656

Nah not really into tia to be honest. I love salmon but I generally only eat wild sockeye salmon as I don't support farming practices. Besides that red snapper, halibut, dover sole, sablefish, crab, lobster, prawns and other crustaceans are my goto. I am pretty wealthy (networth in 3 million range) and can afford to eat top quality seafood.

>>10183213
The US needs a free market dictatorship to be fixed. Corporations that ruins the environment should indeed be heavily taxed, while new and small corporations will get decent tax incentives.
Then there’s the corporation socialism which should be completely eliminated, and
People earning less than $25k should be tax exempt, whereas everyone earning up to $500k should have their taxes lowered even more
Lobbyists should be death squaded

>>10185210
Or never mind about the tax cuts considering Trump made his way with it
There’s no reason for lower income class people to be taxed anywhere

>>10182749
>That's what happens in late stage capitalism when all tax money goes to the military and those corporations and special interest johns who paid the most to a whore congress and presidency.
Except 14% of our budget goes to the military, while 63% goes to welfare and entitlement spending...

Has anyone ever met someone that has gotten a food borne illness that wasn't from some spic not washing their hands or cross contaminating something? The only one I can think of is this retard I know who drank 3 week past the date milk that was curdled as fuck.

>>10185210
>Lobbyists should be death squaded

This.

Hygiene, this is basic, first worlder

>>10185219
Wellfare should be heavily cut in favor of 0 tax rate up to $25k. This should probably encourage more low paid jobs to return to the US, maybe simple manufacturing like in the 60’s

>>10183527
Sauce?

>>10185224
Got sick from supposedly cooked seafood from Whole Foods, eaten the same day purchased. Returned the rest like two weeks later for a refund. Really stunk at that point.

>>10185127
How many of those "supposed" infections came from meat? The article is clearly biased against the idea of meat, and is trying to tie all the illness to meat. Those statistics aren't fact- they extrapolate the data and make assumptions. The simple fact that you don't question the intent or methodology behind the piece is very telling. You complain about corporate welfare, but that's exactly what the EU is doing for domestic producers. I guess you'd rather have Chinese meat.

>>10185212
They don't pay any taxes anyway, and receive more entitlements than they pay in.
>>10185235
Your precious PETA groups would be up against the wall first

>>10185611
>Your precious PETA groups would be up against the wall first

What's the down side?

>>10185127
65% of chicken sold in the UK has campylobacter, quit acting like meat is safe on any level. We need to protect the population from the dangers of the big agra meat corporations with legislation. We also need to protect out domestic producers with tariffs and outright bans of meat products not locally grown in a sustainable and socially acceptable manner.

>>10184313
this guy knows

>>10184359
Well it's highly inefficient to raise grass fed beef vs grain fed, but having grass fed beef, it's extremely lean and has a much different flavor than grain fed.

>>10185631

That's why the british do it. They're the most inefficient culture on the planet.

>>10181619
>My advice: cook your own meals.

FTFY

>>10185631
There's no evidence to support grass fed being healthier than grain fed.

>>10183213
Fuck you commie, those taxes will surely affect when I become a millionaire next year.

>>10183956
Feminism

>>10185210
You should more socialist books brainlet, sounding uneducated af here

>>10186064
>You should more socialist books
The missing word is "burn"

>>10183213
>tax the absolute fuck out of factory farms

I don’t think we even need to go that far. Ending their subsidies is plenty.

>>10186078
>Ending their subsidies is plenty.
I'm all for this.
And for ending taxation in general. If they can't get by without the State propping them up they should be left to fail. That goes for people as well as companies.

>>10183956
Socio-economic collapse because 70% of the wealth just left the country?

>>10186064
Why is reddit here

>>10181574
>according to a new analysis by UK pressure group Sustain
>guardian

Yes surely an analysis by pressure group will have no agenda or bias in it!
The guardian is a reliable source for accurate news, everyone knows.

>>10185606
If you actually knew anything about the issue of food poisoning, you would know that salmonella is the usual culprit in food poisoning from eggs, meat and dairy. Ignorance won't win you this debate.

And the intent behind the article is obvious; they're voicing concern towards the glaring problem of an influx of contaminated food into their country, and calling for reexamination of unfavourable trade deals. If anything, I should be inquiring as to YOUR intent, because no one, pro-EU or not, should want to compromise their country's health for financial expediency.

Besides, arguing about EU 'protectionism' post-Brexit is about as relevant as /pol/ railing about Hillary months after the election. No one believes in boogeymen when the closet's empty.

>>10185629
I think you might be arguing with the wrong person, because I don't disagree with any of that, unlike the jingoists in this thread who see nothing wrong with feeding tainted US meat to Britain and pressuring domestic producers. The latter point, ironically enough, was one of the original goals of Brexit in the first place.

American produce is awful and this is well documented, they just don't like to admit it

>>10185629
Cell by cell you are more bacteria than human. Quit being such a fucking pussy.

I am so sick of idiots like you throwing around statistics like this like it means anything. Your toothbrush has e. coli. on it, yes, but since you've, hopefully, brushed your teeth daily all your life without getting sick from it it's clearly harmless.
Grow a pair of balls already.

>>10186163
Yes, we shouldn't trust pressure groups and newspapers that don't tell us what we want to hear. We should listen to pro-US lobbyists, Tory MPs, and the Daily Mail, because shaking hands with Uncle Sam and flipping off the EU is worth shitting yourself to death for. That's the partisan way.

>>10182749
>lowest standard of living
Its drug down by 1/4 of our people being upright apes and 3/4 being barely capable of keeping their retarded heads above water. Three Republican presidents in a row and all this goes away.

>>10186235
Do you honestly believe you're the only one who grasps the concept of microflora, genius? It's not just about what bacteria is in you, it's also how much there is and where it's contained. If you were to be shot in the gut, you'd die of sepsis as all that bacteria you've lived with start invading your body wherever they please. And if you eat contaminated food, bad bacteria get numerous enough to wreck your gut by themselves. Was that simple enough for you to grasp?

>burger meat is shit
Well I can see where yo
>research by the guardian
Well there goes my credulity

>>10186250
He's wrong though, our standard of living is one of the highest by every metric

>>10186242
Nice strawman there, just because I said that we can't trust an obviously biased source doesn't mean that I think we should be trusting obviously biased sources from the other side.

>>10186258
>And if you eat contaminated food, bad bacteria get numerous enough to wreck your gut by themselves
>>10186258
There's bacteria in everything you eat, retard.
The nature of the contamination matters. That was my point, you fucking retard.
You take in bacteria with every breath without catching pneumonia too, fucking idiot.

>>10186277
Fine, I'll accept that I might have oversimplified your views. Then what, in your opinion, is a reliable source on rates of US food poisoning? I've already cited the CDC's own statistics; can you contribute something yourself?

>>10186293
Don't be so smug you outward looking fuck. The only thing in the EU that food poisoning is doing is steadily rising every year with double digit gains.
>B-but muh Americans
Pathetic

>>10182811
>It's not the richest country in the world

.............................

>>10186301
Food poisoning within the European Union is rising?

>>10186400
United Arab Emirates is

>>10186416
I was thinking of size of the economy, which is what most people think of when comparing a nation's wealth, not per capita, you filthy oil subsidized arab

>>10181574
Oh neat a white paper! Let's analyze this, and see if this is an opportunity to improve or a bunch of bullshit propaganda!

To begin, let's look at the whitepaper(s) and the author:

The author of the paper the article is about:
https://www.sustainweb.org/

First sauce:

https://www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/multimedia/pdfs/fds2015.pdf

>Published 2011

Not too bad but not great. This shit is already 7 years old. I'd like to see something more updated (and given the scope of the paper, it's likely available) but whatever, we'll go with it.

And it's compared to this:

https://www.cdc.gov/foodborneburden/2011-foodborne-estimates.html

Both are published at about the same time, but note that this is UK standards vs. US standards. This is a problem as they are often very different. For example did a comparison of murder rates in US and UK from this time on /k/ and found the different definitions made them maddening to compare (the rate was actually about the same for what we were measuring), so we'll see what we have here.

Another source published: https://folio.iupui.edu/handle/10244/1022

But in this article it's presented as though it's from the Sustain group. Thankfully you just have to click the links and actually read the sources to get through this trick. I don't know yet if it was carelessness or intentional but we'll find out!

First thing I want to reconcile is the rate of foodborne illness. I won't reconcile the definitions immediately, first let's go for just what is presented in our article.

>The US has shockingly high levels of foodborne illness, according to a new analysis by UK pressure group Sustain. It says that annually, around 14.7% (48 million people) of the US population is estimated to suffer from an illness, compared to around 1.5% (1 million) in the UK. In the US, 128,000 are hospitalised, and 3,000 die each year of foodborne diseases.

UK pop = 65,648,100 (Wikipedia)
US pop = 325,719,178 (Wikiepedia)
(1/2)

>>10186795
(2/2)
UK illnesses = 93,983 (https://www.food.gov.uk/science/microbiology/fds/58736)) - I used 2011 data
US illnesses = 37,200,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/foodborneburden/2011-foodborne-estimates.html)) - all causes
US illnesses = 9,400,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/foodborneburden/2011-foodborne-estimates.html)) - domestically acquired only

This gives us a rate of:
UK = .00143
US (all causes) = .11420
US (domestic only) = .02885

Now this is based purely on what is published in the reports. On the surface it looks bad, but let's see what is actually included in that data.

Notice in the UK link provided that only a few diseases are counted. If there is better data I can't find it. So for the sake of comparing apples to apples we have to trim down the US number to the same diseases counted in the UK report. These diseases are Campylobacter, Salmonella, E. Coli, Listeria Monocytogenes, and Nonovirus. UK only counts laboratory confirmed cases as well, bringing that number down drastically. US will be added for each one in the same criteria in the order I presented the disease.

UK = 93,983
US (all causes) = N/A as they don't count this separate from domestic only causes
US (domestic only) = 43,696 (adjusted for under-reporting) + 41,930 + 53 + 808 + 1 (table says N/A so I'm putting something there) = 86,488

This gives us a rate of:
UK = .00143
US = .00026

In conclusion:

CDC and FSA are measuring two entirely different things using either undefined or different means of measurement. FSA won't even give us a full picture (that I can find), while CDC is only missing a few pieces here and there (britbongs hiding much?) The article is shit. The available data to even compare is shit. This is a propaganda piece with cherry picked data, nothing more.

And finally, OP is a colossal fucking fag who can't make it from the door to the parking lot without sucking at least 3 cocks. Shove this article up your ugly ass, eat shit, and die in a fire.

>>10186804
3/2 since I'm having fun. The propaganda piece is produced by Sustain UK (https://www.sustainweb.org/).). These guys are advocates for british food... including british farmers. I'm willing to bet that they worked with The Guardian to produce this article as a scare piece to protect british farms and food producers. Pure propaganda, backed up by bullshit stats.

>>>/lbgt/

>>10182953
nigger

So I read the article and every instance in the article when something bad happened it was fixed... it also says at the top under the pigs that none of the bad things reported made it to the public.

Its basically a fear mongering article? I dont eat factory meat but the examples in the article are true of everything in the world.

>bad things can and HAVE happened here!
>people fix those bad things
>BUT BAD THINGS CAN STILL HAPPEN BE AFRAID!

Imagine if the article was
>dildo factory workers reported leaving arsenic on dildos
>these dildos are all thrown out though as per safety
>BUT WHAT IF THEY DIDNT GET THROWN OUT!!!

???? What am I missing? Whats the point of the article?

>>10186795
>>10186804
>>10186863
muh-muh-m...

>>10186937
Plausible deniability hidden in a propaganda piece. Note the title, and the stats they reference.

>>10181574
This is why amerilards hate the european union. They can't export their shit covered meat and shit filled candy bars.

>>10186937
These USDA inspectors are present at all factories, and they have to document everything. So xx,xxx amount of violations sounds horrible, but it's just documentation. Chicken leg drops off the line? Violation. The one way to stop salmonella in chicken is to cook it. Bacteria is on all meat, yes even in Europe.

>>10181574
>shitskins in poor health
More at 11.

>>10186977
read
>>10186795
>>10186804
>>10186863

Stay assblasted, you stupid bong

>>10186978
I understand, I was open to there being more to this when I came to this shithole of a thread but I guess I just have a realistic understanding of meat processing facilities. The related article on that site with the turkies on the hooks probably scares everyone too but this shit isnt secret at all. A pig head was found clogging a blood drain! Yea in a butcher place that goes through millions of pigs a year? This is shocking to who? The Mcfucktard who 'loves burgers but doesnt want to see how they are made cus icky!"

Tired of seeing more and more /pol/ threads pop up on this fucking board too.

>>10183109
Worse.

>>10186997
Pretty much this. This thread is shit.

>>10186997
At least you amerifats have come to accept your have awful produce then

>>10181619
>I don't think that statistic can be correct. So on average, everyone gets a food borne illness once every seven years.
Fuck me you Burgers are retarded.

>>10187110
I've never thought about it nationally, I live in rural Michigan and buy everything from farmers markets which are comparable to what I could do myself on my own property. Dunno why you come to race/nation bait on /ck/ of all places

>>10187110
At least we try to improve, and not hide all our stats by sweeping them under the rug. >>10186804

>>10187110
Gonna need some more info. Maybe another protectionist hit piece like the last? That worked out well

>>10181619

thats probably not true. i dont think you have to be bed ridden throwing up for a few days to have a food borne illness. you could have gotten just an irritated GI tract and diarrhea that you otherwise would not have had you eating proper food. this counts

>>10186795
>>10186804
>>10186937
tl;dr you stupid nigger this is 4chan not the class you copy and paste term papers for

>>10187405
The TL;DR is the last paragraph you lazy fucking nigger. Learn to read.

>people ITT actually defending these practices

>>10187516
Your thread went to shit when you used fake numbers to try and prove your point. But by all means, keep bumping it so everyone can witness your ignorance.

>>10187516
Another assblasted bong enters the ring. I refer you to

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this thread is hilarious

>>10187506
still tl;dr fuck you

>>10187652
CDC and FSA are measuring two entirely different things using either undefined or different means of measurement. FSA won't even give us a full picture (that I can find), while CDC is only missing a few pieces here and there (britbongs hiding much?) The article is shit. The available data to even compare is shit. This is a propaganda piece with cherry picked data, nothing more.

And finally, OP is a colossal fucking fag who can't make it from the door to the parking lot without sucking at least 3 cocks. Shove this article up your ugly ass, eat shit, and die in a fire. Same goes for the aspie I bothered to copypaste this for.

>2018
>Still not growing your own livestock

shiggydiggydoo

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>>10185409
I'd be down for that

>>10181574
Ain't capitalism grand?

>>10185409
Will you start doing that job once that happens for the rest of your life, since ya know - it's your idea.

>>10185409
Taxation is theft, commie scum

>>10187657
tl;dr

>>10188444
This

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>>10188444
YEEEAAAAHHH lets all live the mad max libertarian fantasy don't tread on meee blarghle blarghle

>>10188669
lets all live the fantasy where there's no food from an artificially-created famine, we share our homes with 15 homeless people and then we get sent to a gulag to die of exhaustion for not being dedicated enough, oh wait

>>10188766
Also this

>>10188669
Hoo yeah, I read Ayn Rand in middle school too! I remember it fondly as my first babby intro to a true pseudo author.

>>10188584
TL;DR - drink bleach

>>10188669
Ah, the sweet tears of a commie. Get fucked, pinko.

>>10188837
whyd you reply to both my posts separately?

>>10188820
parroting the ideas you watched on tv
pretty cute

>>10188888
So that you might bask in the glory of natural octo quints anon.
You are welcome

>>10189101
>thinks Ayn Rand is a legit philosopher and not a hack dime store novelist.
Ah, to be a middle school babby again and playing stinky fingers with Cathy! Enjoy your trite innocence while it lasts babby.

>>10184290
Thats not true at all. Grass fed beef is leaner, but many grain fed beef tastes better. Kobe beef cows get barley and other grains when they are finished I believe, they might even eat it the whole time depending on the farm. Grass fed beef has a more livery, lean, sour taste than grain fed or finished beef. Its just the way it is. Some people prefer it, but that is a very subjective opinion. I think overall, in terms of flavor and fat production corn/grain finished beef tastes the best.

>>10181574
Places like that get shut down pretty much immediately if you report them and it’s discovered. Seen it happen more than a few times

>>10181574
>In the US, 128,000 are hospitalised, and 3,000 die each year of foodborne diseases.
That's nothing when the population is in the hundred millions

>>10190488
maybe look at the rates comparative to other countries in the article

>>10185648
thats a flat out lie

>>10181574
I'm glad EU and USA are negotiating for the TTIP so that americans can enter the european market and outcompete local producers with cost-cutting measures such as these, and then sue governments for trying to maintain health and hygiene through regulatory means.

>>10190966
If you ever compare just about any stat as a measure of whether US or UK is better, you find that UK has a habit of doctoring their stats. When you compare it with the same measure as the US... it's obvious why they would do this. I have done this with violent crime rate and then again with this article, and found them wanting both times.

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