/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>10017250
It was to get rid of minimum wage hikes or even allowing the thought of a union to happen. They don't care about underpaying everyone. They just want the ones already working there to know that they're replaceable and not worth much to the company other than delivering the order to the customer.

>>10017250
>. It was just to save labor costs wasn't it
um, yeah, did anyone ever imply otherwise?

Thats what you get when liberals try and tell everyone that terrible workers deserve fucking $15 per hour

>>10017277
>muh liberalz

This was coming anyway in spite of worker's wanting more money. If you don't understand this then odds are the type of work you do will be automated sooner than others you brainlet.

Eventually mcdonald workers will be paid $15/hr but they will have a 2yr degree in IT and spend all day driving from restaurant to reastaurant.

>>10017304
I'm sure it would have happened eventually, but when you arbitrarily double the cost of labor it dramatically increases the benefits of automating that labor

>can make a complex order with any customizations i want without having to worry about explaining it six times to a minimum wage cashier whose first language isn't english

I say they're worth any extra 30 second wait you've been experiencing.

>Workers get replaced by robots
>The menu prices increase despite labor costs going down drastically
>I still have to pay 7 dollars for a meal at McDonalds
The world is shit, I wish I was never born

>>10017345
It's clearly libruls fault. Not like businesses have anything to gain from having worker's fight among themselves or anything.

>buying a meal at McD's

Go dollar menu or go somewhere and spend a few bucks more and actually get your money's worth.

>>10017345
>menu prices increase
the fuck are you on about

>>10017345
>>I still have to pay 7 dollars for a meal at McDonalds
WTF are you buying?
2 McDoubles is still like $3

>>10017363
Raising minumum wage is objectively bad policy economically yet liberals overwhelmingly support it
>muh evil corporations
yeah, its McDonald's fault you decided to drop out of high school and have 2 kids before 20, and are a bad employee when you actually show up

>>10017394
Nigger please no kids and I work in IT. Odds are I'm making 3 times what you do. All I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with workers banding together. Never said anything about raising minimum wage either, not sure why you wouldn't support it though as odds are you need all the help you can get boot licker.

>>10017343
Except they still fuck up the order

>>10017250
Why are you eating at McDonald’s? Are you still a child?

>>10017343
This.
Plus you can actually have a good look at the menu without being rushed by the cashiers dead eyes staring at you.

>>10017250
You're not very smart, are you?

>>10017416
>All I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with workers banding together. Never said anything about raising minimum wage either
OK, but we were specifically talking about how the misguided push for higher minimum wages from the left is incentivizing fast food to automate jobs

Also, I wasn't saying you specifically are that person, just that anyone who thinks fast food workers should honestly be paid $15/hour is, but I am sure you totally make several 100 thousand per year

>>10017416
>All I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with workers banding together
Except with how it made American manufacturing noncompetitive internationally

If they want $15 an hour why not $50 an hour? Just pay everyone more then there will be no more poor people.

they're great because it reduces the number of times i have to speak with non-whites in my life

>>10017445
15hr isn't a lot of money and the only people who really give a shit about what these people make tend to be the types who make somewhere around that range. I guess it's a pride thing?

You really shouldn't care or get butthurt about what someone else wants to make. People can lobby for their perceived best interests, whether or not it goes their way or not is their concern not yours. It's a free country for a reason.

>>10017452
Developing countries being able to pay people $2 an hour for manufacturing labor has way more to do with us being less competitive than unions.

Who would honestly work in dangerous conditions for that type of money in this country? Nobody in their right mind would.

>>10017452
Oh so it wasn't countries like China who can pay their workers pennies on the dollar? Those jobs with or without labor unions were going to go over seas eventually. If they are coming back it's at a fraction of the past because you don't need the amount labor today that you needed 20 years ago due to advancements in technology.

>>10017458
>McDonalds trash complaining about having to interact with other McDonalds trash

>>10017250
I would pay more and wait longer if it means not having to interact with an impoverished Mexican cashier.

>>10017491
>warren buffet is trash
THE ABSOLTUE SHANTY TOWN OF /ck/

>>10017503
And I would pay more and wait longer if it means not having to interact with a white trailer trash cashier.

>>10017250
Ultimately, it's to drive themselves out of business so the stockholders can sit on giant piles of electronic money. I don't think anyone really knows what's supposed to happen after that. Giant space station colony paradises maybe. But not for you.

>>10017514
>a rich guy does a trashy thing
>maybe if I do nothing but trashy things I'll be rich too!

>>10017526
>e-e-e-e-everyone who gets fast food from time to time is trash
>gets btfo'd by examples that show it's false

>>10017536
Wait, how is Warren Buffet not trash?

>>10017536
>my favourite celebrities are paid to say they eat fast food so that means that it is ok and cool when I eat fast food
I'd tell you to kill yourself but I see you already are, good job!

>>10017536
>born in trash
>surrounded by trash
>doesn't know what it is not to be, or be surrounded by, trash
Go down to your local trash magnet McDonalds and tell me how many successful people you see. oops, you think having a job with a name tag means you're "successful", never mind

>>10017549
he could pay to have everyone you know killed with the money he uses to buy a weeks worth of stroke lotion.

>>10017394
Raising minimum wage is essential to a robust economy, especially when wages don't keep up up with even poverty tier cost of living. People have to be able to spend money in order for businesses to make money. Rich people aren't supporting local and small tier business, which directly impacts local economies, which in turn impact state and national economies. Trickle down has NEVER worked.

>>10017555
No, seriously.

>>10017470
Someone making logical sense on /ck/?! Did hell freeze over??

>>10017277
Automation is coming, neither coal nor service jobs that can be replaced incredibly easily by machines will last forever no matter how many Republican candidates tell you differently. Either education gets cheap enough that the poorest in society can learn enough to do jobs that can't be done by a robot, we move to universal basic income or the poor revolt violently and the whole system changes. It's going to happen and it's probably going to happen within our lifetime.

>>10017470
>15hr isn't a lot of money
It a fucking lot for someone who is only capable of doing trivially easy tasks

A couple both making $15 would put them at about the national median household income, an insane amount of money to pay uneducated, unskilled people

>You really shouldn't care or get butthurt about what someone else wants to make
If they lobby politicians to try hand them this extra money at the expense of higher costs for everyone else on everything they buy, we very much should care about stopping this movement. Wanting the government to not make dumb, misguided laws makes us "butthurt", thats Trump tier rhetoric

>f-f-f-fastfood is evil and for trash people

thanks for confirming your time is worthless

wew lad, i made 7 figures in 2017 by being smart about the market

you're still a nigger poorfag on a shit board like /ck/

only NEETs and retards spend their insanely valuable time on cooking

they eliminate wasted produce since there is no need to keep the hot bin filled as everything is made to order

>>10017490
Ruining industries with bad policy and obtuse unions isn't ok just because those industries would have probably one day died regardless

>>10017581

>>10017518
I think we can all agree that we don't want to deal with lazy poor people regardless of their race

>>10017589
There are virtually no fast food places that hold premade food, everything is made to order.

>>10017594
>i'm a poorfag so everyone else is too

it was literally fucking EASY

It's called hearing about bitcoin before the craze

sorry you're a brainlet who fell for the disinfo ;^)

>>10017557
>aising minimum wage is essential to a robust economy
says no economist ever

>>10017581
>reddit spacing
>claims 7 figure income
>trash talks cooking on a cooking board
>defends fast food

Not only are you a liar and a moron, but you're shit tier at bait.

>>10017345
you do understand that the price of mcd is set by supply and demand, which aren't affected by labour costs going down aside from potential lower break even point that the stores dont really care for

>>10017577
probably not because quality of life is historically high and even the poor have things pretty fucking good in America

>>10017612
Someone drank the kool-aid.

>>10017580
15hr isn't shit if you account for inflation and cost of living. Profits keep rising and yet the American worker isn't seeing a dime.

Seriously man keep licking that boot. You should also learn that rising wages and the cost of goods doesn't follow a 1/1 ratio.

I don't want to touch those things. If menus are bad, those are going to be worse. They still have to pay people to clean those things until maybe cleaner robots exist.

If I go into some place and the ordering system is online, I'm walking right out. I want nothing to do with a place such as that.

>>10017616
t. assblasted nocoiner

>>10017630
I shouldn't say the cost of goods, I meant the price for something.

>>10017611
>after I started lifting, my confidence improved so much that my sex fantasies involved more attractive anime waifus

At least with people there are laws, with robots there are no laws and they can be dirty as all fuck. It's disgusting.

>>10017630
>15hr isn't shit if you account for inflation and cost of living
Its not "a lot" but its sure as hell more than anyone with only minimum wage tier skills deserve, and way more than is necessary to live a decent life.

Note your lack of education does not entitle you to live in a super expensive neighborhood. $15 per hour might be necessary if you live in Manhattan, but to apply super expensive neighborhood standards to America as a whole is silly

>>10017630
A couple making 15 an hour each are clearing about 70k a year combined, that's more than enough to live comfortably in most parts of the country.

>>10017655
You don't get to judge what other people "deserve". Glass houses and whatnot.....

>>10017635

>>10017630
>You should also learn that rising wages and the cost of goods doesn't follow a 1/1 ratio.
For every extra dollar spent on low tier employees, a dollar will either have to be gained, or not spent somewhere else. This means higher prices, worse service, and less growth. The consequences are unequivocally bad, and especially harm the very shit people that are convinced they are necessary

>>10017657
Bullshit that's barely 60 thousand combined before taxes and that's assuming full time.

>>10017655
I never said they were entitled to anything. They are however entitled to lobby for their interests just like you and I and any corporation does.

>>10017661
>You don't get to judge what other people "deserve". Glass houses and whatnot.....
but you do?
Or fucking Bernie Sanders does?
I am just as qualified to say what they deserve as you are. The fact is no one deserves anything, they earn things

>>10017676
>before taxes
Please note that when Americans talk about how much someone makes, it is basically 100% of the time before taxes.

Also 60k is literally over the household median income of the country, its way more than anyone needs to live comfortably

>>10017674
That's not true at all. The cost of an item isn't just based on labor. There's cost of goods, overhead, research etc etc. Prices and labor costs do not follow a 1/1 ratio. Also it seems to make sense that paying people more would lead to better service.

Doesn't matter though as technology is pushing out these jobs either way.

>>10017676
>They are however entitled to lobby for their interests just like you and I and any corporation does
Though if these movements are successful they will legally be entitled to it, which is what we were talking about

>>10017699
Of course there are other pieces that contribute to the cost of an item, that in no way is contrary to anything I said
>Also it seems to make sense that paying people more would lead to better service
Thats true on the market, but if they are legally obligated to pay people more it doesn't hold, and needing to spend more per person means hiring fewer people and cutting hours which means worse service

>>10017696
Not all of us want to live on the household median income, given two incomes. That's bullshit and you know it. Stuff that commie stuff where the sun don't shine.

>>10017699
>Doesn't matter though as technology is pushing out these jobs either way
This is a silly attitude.
Just because something will be gone one day does not mean that policies related to it in the meantime do not matter. Also only a fraction of minimum wage jobs are at risk of being automated. Its not like fast food places are anywhere close to being able to automate the whole system

>>10017716
There's a big difference between want and deserve.

How long until this thread degenerates into tips and why customers should pay for what employers are supposed to do?

>>10017726
We'll you're nobody to determine that, the free market is.

>>10017716
>Not all of us want to live on the household median income, given two incomes
ok, then go to school, or just generally act responsibly in life and at work. Only a small fraction of Americans make minimum wage, many of which are teenagers, very few people spend more than a short period of time at minimum wage with just minimal work effort
also, by the very definition of median, half of people are below it, so sure you may want to live above the median but it is mathematically impossible for more than half of people to do that

>>10017685
>>10017704
Is fighting for what they want not earning it? I guess if you live in a world where you think anyone other than yourself is just wanting gibmes and what not I'd feel that way as well.

The welfare queen is a big myth perpetuated to keep the poor and middle class at each other's throats instead of holding those in power accountable.

>>10017723
It really doesn't because as it stand right now their is now way in hell a 15hr minimum wage would pass. With or without that these jobs will begin to fade away. Do some research man, companies are aggressively spending more and more to automate things.

>>10017743
Perhaps I already have and have been making a lot more money than you will ever see in your life. Perhaps. It's likely true, and I did that on my own, without anything to do with you.

I know what the definitions of median and average are, I think that was from 5th grade. Get over yourself. We're not all socialists.

>>10017452
No giving our workers rights is what did that. In China if you die on the factory floor they pretty much sweep your corpse into a dust bin until the end of the shift. In America if someone gets hurt on the job the floor stops and that person is given medical assistance.

>>10017752
That's China, a different nation than the USA. We don't control China and they don't control the USA. Get over it.

>/ck/ doesn't know ANYTHING about business
no wonder you are all poor

>>10017746
>Is fighting for what they want not earning it?
No, graduating high school, and being a productive employee, or making something of yourself are earning it. Having some politician hand it to you to bribe you to vote for them is not earning it
.Do some research man, companies are aggressively spending more and more to automate things.
No one said they weren't but this attitude that because something will one day happen, that everything that happens in the meantime, and bad policies that push things to happen faster than they otherwise would don't matter. Is this some sort of absurd marxist nihilism? It is a laughably illogical stance

>>10017756
hahaha kornholio

>>10017752
>In America if someone gets hurt on the job the floor stops and that person is given medical assistance.
Exactly, and that kind of communist crap needs to stop.

>>10017748
>Perhaps I already have and have been making a lot more money than you will ever see in your life. Perhaps. It's likely true, and I did that on my own, without anything to do with you.
well then take some economics classes with that extra money, and maybe stop believing 1848 tier outdated class warfare bullshit

>>10017756
Nice assumption, but dollars to donuts you've never worked for a small or large company for extended periods of time.

Take your german shit and stuff it.

>>10017762
this. most `people` don't deserve healthcare

>>10017752
there were amny factors, but there is no denying that labor unions were pretty fucking bad. Have you ever worked in a union or in proximity to union people, those people are the laziest fuckers you will ever meet. They spend more time trying to figure out how to get out of doing work than they do actually working

>he's a subhuman poorfag with a net worth not even measured in the 7 figures

>>10017762
if you get hurt on the job its your fault honestly

>>10017769
You people really sound like you're straight out of community collage and have zero experience at anything.

Pathetic.

>/ck/ is full of non-whites and poors
i had forgotten

>>10017603
Agreed.

>>10017783
says the guy who supports $15 minimum wage

>fast food neckbeard having a meltdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bZnqyE14RY

reading this thread is like going to a McDonalds IRL

>>10017755
Never claimed we should but minimum wage wasn't why jobs went overseas I explained why.

>>10017791
How do you know what I do or do not support? I support employers giving people living wages and I've spoken with some and it seems to be an agreement that those jobs are for kids who don't need living wages. Like paper delivery boys.

>>10017774
My father was in a union and was a hard ass worker.
Hated when they let the lazy ass Chinese join the union though those guys are fucking human roaches.

>>10017803
That's an easy one, it's called "cheap and easy." It's easier to hire 10 indians to get shit wrong and do it again than one person from the USA to get it right in the first place. I do know this stuff.

>>10017824
It keeps the budget going to get shit wrong.

>>10017748
We're not all hellbound idolaters either.

>>10017383
A cheeseburger, fries and a soda is 8$ here.

>>10017760
Companies lobby the government every single day often at the expense of the American worker. Did they earn the right to do that any more so than any citizen.

The hate have for your fellow man is a byproduct of your own inadequacy. You're the definition of a rat in a bucket.

>>10017811
>How do you know what I do or do not support
um, because of this thread and your statements in it? You were pretty explicit

> I support employers giving people living wages
WTF is a living wage? Living wage just means "more than I currently make", its a bullshit vague term

>>10017837
Perhaps more like pelosi and schumcky schumer, rats on a sinking ship that they call the democrat party.

When I was a little kid we used to call him schmucky scumer and he's even worse now.

>>10017837
>The hate have for your fellow man is a byproduct of your own inadequacy
I hate the lazy worst people amongst us. I speak for the middle classes, the 90%, the people who have to earn what they make

How can Schumcky Schumer even exist anymore? It's pathetic.

>>10017855
So do you lobby for what you want, isn't that the point of your post?

>>10017837
>Companies lobby the government every single day often at the expense of the American worker
eh, the vast majority of business lobbying is companies try to gain an edge over each other. Its mostly beneficial to Americans, and the cases when it is bad is almost entirely at the expense of taxpayers, not poor people

>>10017868
>So do you lobby for what you want,
Nah, I just point out when people support, dumb and illogical things on the internet. Maybe you can say I lobby for the truth

>>10017855
Oh so poor people just don't work hard is that it? You're pretty arrogant for someone getting butt-blasted about someone elses wage getting closer to your own. And if you think the Republicans have any more interest than the Democrats in helping the middle class other than lip service well I have some ocean front property in Arizona you might like. Trickle down isn't working.

>>10017872
That's a bit of a stretch. For example movie theaters lobbied to have their workers considered "seasonal" and thus exempt to overtime rules. I could go on and on but if the powers that be truly believed in a free market other than rhetoric you'd see less and less stuff like this.

>>10017250
>quickly input your order instead of waiting in a queue and explaning to the brainlet behind the counter exactly what you want
>wait for the usual amount of time for food to be presented to you, with a handy number system that tells you when yours is ready
>somehow op thinks this isn't faster

>>10017947
>Oh so poor people just don't work hard is that it?
Typically, yes
>You're pretty arrogant for someone getting butt-blasted about someone elses wage getting closer to your own
You have an absurdly inclusive definition of buttblasted, and that is a hilarious attempt to try and misframe this discussion

>>10017947
also, when did I ever say anything good about republicans?

>touch screen is off by a certain amount of pixels in the x direction
>have to press way further to the right of a button for it to register
>slow ass retarded menu scrolling animations
>finish my order
>pay with card
>it doesn't print out my receipt/number
>fine whatever
>wait around for the cashier to call out my order
>"Number 118? 118?"
>No one goes up to the register. Maybe it's mine.
>"Two pounders, two large fries, a big mac and a diet coke?"
>shamefully walk up in front of everyone to collect my food

>>10018003
>>10018007

Isn't funny how everyone think's they are exceptional but others aren't.

I grew up sold middle class, had lots of things handed to me and squandered it often at times. As a result I worked several jobs that poor people often have done. I've worked manual labor jobs, I was a steelworker helper, I've done your typical grocery store stuff, managed a movie theater and all those jobs while not intellectually hard were mentally and physically demanding whether that be the labor or dealing with customers.

I was given another chance to finish college and I did. After 5 years of IT work I'm now a few grand shy of making six-figures. I work a job that yes can be stressful at times but as a whole is much less physically draining than any of the other "poor people" jobs I'd worked before. I work out and can go hiking and actually enjoy the fruits of my labor.

The point is that I don't consider myself a "hard-worker" in the sense that I'm killing my body or mind for menial pay. I consider myself lucky. Not everyone gets the kind of luck that I have.

I'm not calling for communism or wealth redistribution or anything of that nature, but America was and is still an experiment and maybe we should try some new things. America is one of the most productive countries in the world but despite that wages are stagnant while profits keep increasing. People still shit on other's less fortunate than themselves because it's easier to consider one's self as the "exception" and above average than it is to consider the myriad other factors that lead to their current standing.

Hard work is still the key to the American dream but that dream is slipping by the day. Go ahead and keep stroking your dick about what an exceptional person you are though instead of thinking critically.

>>10018138
>Isn't funny how everyone think's they are exceptional but others aren't.
No, I think I am normal, and poor people are not

>>10018138
"hard work" is a complicated thing. Whats more important is being smart and responsible. Poor people are dumb more than they are lazy (though many are both)

>>10018153
Yea yea you're a snowflake we get it.

>>10018158
It's a vicious cycle. It's hard to not be dumb if you're parents were dumb or violent or addicts or what have you. Getting out of poverty is tough when everything is against you. The american dream was a solution to that but again that dream is slipping and I don't feel that those in power really care as long as they get theirs.

>>10018138
From what I can tell, about a quarter percent of Americans make minimum wage. They are the exception, not us

Super fast in the Netherlands. Went there yesterday and there were 8 orders before mine. Was still out in 5 minutes.

>>10018172
Keep in mind that impoverished Americans still typically lead an unprecedentedly high quality of life in a historical context. The Amerian dream is still working even if some Americans have less than others, all have more than the vast majority of poor people in the world, and of poor people of previous eras

People, especially economic leftists, constantly misrepresent and underestimate how good we have it

>>10018180
Being poor doesn't magically stop at minimum wage.

The main drivers of the economy are the poor and middle class spending their disposable income on goods and services. If these two groups are getting pinched then as a result the economy will as well.

I don't believe for a second that companies locking in more profits creates nearly as many jobs as the above does. Demand moves the economy and creates jobs. In order for demand to be their people have to have money to spend. Companies aren't just going to create jobs out of the kindness of their own hearts. They create jobs to meet demand and in fact are actively trying to reduce the need for labor with technology.

>>10018202
What does locking in profits mean?
When companies make more money they typically invest it in growth. Its not like that money just is thrown in the trash. But this idea that companies are just sitting on tons of cash and that if wages were arbitrarily increased they would just have that money sitting around and would not need to make other harmful changes is silly

>>10018195
I never said that they didn't but the classic definition of the American Dream includes owning a home which is becoming harder and harder. People used to be able to afford college with a part time job.

Just because things are good relatively speaking doesn't mean we shouldn't actively try and improve things for ourselves.

>>10018218
Companies invest in growth to meet demand. Yea I know it's not a vacuum and that they'll do research and investment in order to gain and edge over competitors but at the end of the day the number one driver of growth and investment is the requirement that people are buying what they are selling. That's the fuel for the economy.Why invest to grow when demand is flat?

>>10018252
>People used to be able to afford college with a part time job.
Surely this has to do with the cost of college going up, not wages being too low. and the increase of college costs is tied directly to the government subsidizing student loans

Also, keep in mind that increasing minimum wages will harm young people the most as part time teenage jobs will be the first ones cut

>>10018252
>Why invest to grow when demand is flat?
When demand is flat, companies do not have the money to invest in growth, and the decreased demand caused by the necessary increase of costs after raising minimum wage will make the likelihood of being able to afford to invest in growth that much less

>>10017783
>community collage
I guess your college didn't teach you how to fucking spell college, did it? Dumbass.

>>10018267
There's a lot of factors, but certainly wages remaining stagnant hasn't helped.

>>10018283
Profits can be made with growth being flat in many ways, whether that comes from ways in reducing the cost of goods, labor, and or technological advances. And once again you're assuming that the cost of labor and the price of a good is 1/1 and their is nothing to suggest that is the case. Will prices raise? Yes but not as much as you are led to believe. Especially as companies race towards automation. The minimum wage has been raised before and what you're describing didn't happen then.

At the end of the day wages have to at minimum rise to meet inflation or otherwise a large part of the economy loses more and more buying power and ultimately stifles demand further.

>>10018329
You cannot be highly profitable without growth for very long in a competitive market. If something can be done significantly more cheaply than you are doing it, someone else will

>once again you're assuming that the cost of labor and the price of a good is 1/1
You keep saying this, but no such assumption needs to be made

>The minimum wage has been raised before and what you're describing didn't happen then.

Never to the absurdly dramatic rate as is currently in vogue with democrats, and this has been shown ever time minimum wage goes up significantly. It always stymies economic growth

>At the end of the day wages have to at minimum rise to meet inflation
For sure, and they generally do, minimum wage is not the tool to address this

>>10017453
this is a real disingenuous argument. you can't raise it to $50 right away because the profits that the company are making currently can't cover the wage increase. you have to increase it incrementally for this to work. whether or not you could increase it to $50 in the future remains to be seen as inflation would also need to accounted for.

>>10018424
>you can't raise it to $50 right away because the profits that the company are making currently can't cover the wage increase
But they can cover nearly doubling it? Why $15? Why is some fucking politician better at determining this number than the market

>>10017557
people can't survive easily on minimum wage
there's nothing wrong with that

>>10017855
>the people who have to work for their living are the lazy ones but the people who hire others to do work and reap all the gains are the hard workers
You must be kidding

>>10017264
>It was to get rid of minimum wage hikes or even allowing the thought of a union to happen.

Back in the day, fast food was an industry staffed by high school and college kids and this wasn't an issue.

>>10017345
> “everybody will working hip and cool IT jobs by then, trust me!”

>>10017557
Corporation raise the standard of living and its the same thing

I wish I could feel empathy for people whose miserable routines are horribly shaken by the price of a fucking McDonalds Happy Meal going up by a buck, or by a high school student with downs syndrome being replaced by a scary and frightening newfangled touch screen, but honestly it is beyond me. I can legitimately more easily feel empathy for a subway rat dragging some trash under the third rail.

>>10018654
The problem is that the people this hurt the most are the very people who think it is a good idea. Remember, most poor people and leftists have never taken an economics class and do not understand it

>>10018689
>poor people and leftists
lel, are you that guy who was blaming "the libs" for obesity the other day? you do realize ring wingers are the ones who think we need the gold standard and that keynes is a chinese hoax?

>>10018707
Marx was a bad person with silly ideas. Not sure what any of this has to do with obesity though.
>keynes is a chinese hoax
What does this even mean? Like the Chinese invented the concept of the man and tricked us into thinking he existed like jesus or something? Keynes was obviously rather misguided, but I do believe he existed, and not sure what he has to do with China

>>10018732
>Marx was a bad person with silly ideas.
marx has been dead for like 150 years, anon.
>Keynes was obviously rather misguided, but I do believe he existed
well, that's a start

eventually there will be no rich or poor, only business owners with 100% robotic employees trying to outbusiness eachother.

I don't think anyone's mentioned it, but the latest Beige Book also mentioned that people seem to be ordering more when they use kiosks than at the counter. So, they definitely make fatties feel less self-conscious

>>10018439
it would depend on the how long it takes to double it. if it's over years or months it's fine as long as there is enough money in the business to continue operating. if wage increase increases operating costs by X, as long as the companies profit P is still greater then X, or P-X is still 'worth it' for the owner to operate it's fine, they can absorb the loss. but jumping too high can cause a lot of businesses to go under immediately.

>>10018759
I mean what are you even referencing when you say I think Keynes is a chinese hoax?
>marx has been dead for like 150 years
Thankfully, if only his ideas would die in the hearts of teenagers across the developed world

>>10018796
>it's fine as long as there is enough money in the business to continue operating
Thats the key. There usually isn't because most businesses aren't just sitting on piles of wasted cash, they would have to make changes to their business model to scrouge up more money, the costs would mostly be sent on to customers, result in less employment, and remove growth opportunities (which would have lead to more employment and wages)

Most small business owners aren't just Bill gates with piles of money everywhere, this isn't nearly as simple as you make it out to be

>>10018991

well, depending on where you live and what the policy was, business owners were given advance notice years ahead to ready themselves for the eventuality. it wasn't sprung on them over night and they were forced to scramble for liquidity.

im not here to argue the merits of demerits on a increase in minimum wage. im here explaining why we can't just raise the minimum wage to $50 an hour and there 'will be no more poor people'. im saying that argument is kind of ridiculous.

>>10017470
are you an actual low functioning retard? the reason raising the minimum wage is a big deal is because it causes a cascading effect where everyone who isn't working entry level jobs demands more money because their skills and jobs require more qualifications and training to preform. believe it or not this effect eventually travels up the ladder to higher end white collar work. Also even if people in fast food and entry level work lobby for higher minimum wafe, all the other lobbies for actually skilled workers lobby for more money and more likely to be successful as their work requires more skill than smiling and tapping in a screen. in short, the idiots behind the counters deserve bare minimum pay for lacking any real skills. Also in case you sent that other jobs won't demand more with an increase in minimum wage, I live in California, last year minimum wage went up 50 cents and believe it or not on the day it went up I got a 50 cent raise, same with this year's minimum wage increase, as did every other person in nearly every field of work that I know.

>>10017250
I like them. The least amount of human contact, the better.

>>10019017
>business owners were given advance notice years ahead to ready themselves for the eventuality
hence the automated kiosks

>>10019166
automation would happen regardless of minimum wage. it's far cheaper as the technology is refined.

>>10019228
Ok, but thats entirely beside the point

>>10019283
>>10019283
it's not besides the point.

>>hence the automated kiosks

implies that the kiosks are there because of the eventuality of the minimum wage hike. the reality is that even without it they are still cheaper then a worker and their use is an eventuality in itself.

>>10017250
>It was just to save labor costs wasn't it?

are you daft? of course that was the whole point of this. this is the corporate wet dream. what billionaires salivate over. getting rid of wage cucks completely and setting up a completely maximized profit generating system. of course their lapdog media and politicians will spin it as "futurization" and extoll the grand IT and internet driven future that awaits us, but at the end of the day the only thing that motivates them is making themselves richer at the expense of everyone else. It's ALL a fuciking sham.

>>10019289
If you increase the cost of the worker you incentive moving to automation earlier. Even if it is one day going to happen regardless, this is still a significant consequence.
Saying they would one day automate regardless is fully beside the point

>>10019290
It's not a sham, it's their explicit goal. I don't know why you feel so betrayed. Maybe you're just stupid?

>>10019058
kys

>>10019305
that's not what i said. i already stated their intentions are clear. what is a sham is their spin on things. and again this is in direct reference to the post I was quoting (who believed otherwise). please check yourself.

>>10019302
between this and increasing movement towards ogliarchy in the west i think we shouldn't be surprised if armed uprisings were to occur. how much longer will the poor and downtrodden have to suffer to serve the greed and malice of a small percentage of elites in this world?

>>10019302
how is it a significant consequence? it happens now or happens later, regardless of minimum wage, it was already a eventuality.

>>10017577
>jobs that can't be done by a robot

Right now that's a lot of them but all jobs will eventually be doable by machines I'll be most likely dead by that point. If it ever does actually happen.

>installing their app and becoming part of their botnet
>having an extra layer of spionage on you via mcdonalds
do fucking not

>>10017816
>Chinese
>lazy

They're roaches for sure but those fuckers will work 12 hour shifts and longer without taking a break. To bad they can't speak English well enough to do anything that's not cleaning or basic menial labor.

>>10019318
well only a very tiny portion of America is poor, and even amongst the poor standards of living are rather high

You should stop watching so much cable news, things aren't that bad

>>10019348
Oh noes the government will know that for me it's the McChicken.
Moron.

>>10019336
Thats like saying since you will one day die nothing you ever do will matter
This is absurd logic
Timing matters. Firing someone now, vs firing them 10 or 20 years from now is a very different situation

>>10019348
What could McDonalds possibly do with your phone data that would be in any way harmful to you?

>>10019348
speaking of which there's currently a coupon on their app where you get a big mac or whatever for $1 if you use their mobile ordering system. this requires have a CC saved in the app though. thankfully you can remove the CC. but surprise surprise as soon as you do, the coupon reappears the next time coupons refresh on your phone (typically at the start of the week). they must really want people to buy into this mobile and automated ordering dealio

>>10019379
same danger as anyone else having your name and credit card info saved. just look at all the security debacles sony has gone through with PSN data breaches.

>>10019385
no different than buying anything anywhere with a credit card. And credit cards companies are insured for that stuff so the risk to you is basically nothing

>>10019379
get access to my food consumption habits and using statistical methods and cross referencing data points get to know stuff about me that I thought was insignificant. also, if you paid using a credit/debit card, which in many ways works like a username/id, they can expand my existing shopper profile and use that information to annoy me with 'personalized' ads.

big data is your enemy.

>>10019390
getting your shit jacked isn't exactly fun. having to deal with your bank to get charges reversed, living without access to your funds, cancelling cards and waiting for replacements etc. not exactly "zero risk"

>>10019370
depends how you look at it. you might view it as someone losing their job 10 years earlier or view it as a company running more efficiently 10 years earlier and saving money. the end result is the same, automation will happen. i guess it's your opinion that delaying automation by not raising the minimum wage is good for the economy? hrm i guess we agree to disagree, i believe that the faster we automate the better the economy will become.

>>10017250
A lot of these machines let you pay with cash, it prints out a receipt and you have to wait in line at the regular cashier to pay for your order, it's really backwards and stupid.
I wonder what they're gonna do once the regular cashiers are out of a job, not accept cash?

>>10019401
>"running efficiently"

bull fucking shit. the only measure for "efficiency" is how much profit is stuffed into the shareholders pockets and how big a bonus check the billionaire CEO gets.

>>10019393
forgot to mention that there's potential for additional abuse given the permissions required to run the app. even if these permissions are innocuous, like say, accessing your gps to find your nearest mcdonalds, you never know if for some bullshit reason they'll require access to your phone's contact list in a newer release and find out more info about you. barely anyone checks their app permissions.

>>10019404
they will probably come out with gift cards eventually. as everything becomes more integrated, they'll have you create an account and allow you to link said cards, which in reality are just reference codes printed on plastic.

>>10019417
shit dude any place that does that will lose my business, I don't want to have to keep making accounts at every store I shop at

>>10019393
What possible negative consequence to you could come from any of that?

>>10019425
>I don't want to have to keep making accounts at every store I shop at

Yeah. Not only is this a pain in the ass because you have to keep track of them regardless of the method (password manager, memory, notes on device, paper, etc), but it is also extremely insecure because you are just spreading your personal information everywhere, and nowadays it seems like every major company is getting hacked.

>>10019363
>very tiny
>14% of americans
>43 million people
>45.6% of which are in deep poverty (50% below poverty line)
>the HIGHEST it's been since it's been recorded

yes, a tiny amount. i'm sure we can build a wall around them.

>>10019401
>or view it as a company running more efficiently 10 years earlier
Except it is not that at all. If it were more efficient currently they would be doing it, this is the case of artificially inflating the cost of labor to make the automation more efficient. It isn't more efficient yet

>I guess it's your opinion that delaying automation by not raising the minimum wage is good for the economy
I think that automation is fine, but I think artificially burdening these businesses with dramatically more expensive labor forcing them to buy expensive automation to make up for it is bad for the economy, and I doubt that would be a controversial statement to any economist

Just because something will one day be more efficient does not mean businesses are advantaged by prematurely switching to it

>>10019318
> between this and increasing movement towards ogliarchy in the west

“Towards” oligarchy?

With the fall of Communism and the removable of an alternate ideology, we went into full-oligarchy mode.

>>10019410
Thats conspiracy theory bullshit

>>10019342
within 20-30 years all jobs will be automated. All engineering, maintenance, and repair, construction, etc... everything you can think of.

>>10019433
Since McDonald's is a private company, they can sell my personal information to whomever they please. This includes disclosing my food consumption habits to my health insurance company, resulting in my getting higher premiums. How about selling that information to other companies like google or facebook, which pretty much centralize all data about you nowadays? I don't understand why people trust corporations so much. They are in the business of making money, not necessarily improving your life. Do not sacrifice your future for minor convenience.

>>10019460
you're right, it's just the west is doing a poorer job of hiding it behind media lies nowadays

>>10019436
Very misleading. The poverty line is rather arbitrarily defined. poor people in America have it better than even many middle class people did 50 years ago. These people might seem poor to you any me, but in a global or historical context they are downright well off

>>10019472
oh of course! as they aren't starving, dying from malaria and drawing dirt water from wells daily, they SHOULD thank their lucky stars to be american

>>10019467
>Since McDonald's is a private company, they can sell my personal information to whomever they please. This includes disclosing my food consumption habits to my health insurance company, resulting in my getting higher premiums
This most certainly is not a thing
>How about selling that information to other companies like google or facebook
So what?
> I don't understand why people trust corporations so much
Because it is convenient and beneficial, and these corporations have a strong vested interest in maintaining us as customers. The vast majority of economic transactions are mutually beneficial, thats why we do them. Corporations are not evil, their interests very rarely align with these insane conspiracy theories

>>10019462
That's exactly how facebook makes friend suggestions. Frequent a place, see the same people, and eventually you'll start seeing the option to request their friendship. It's never been a secret. You seem to be out of the loop when it comes to this stuff. Your existence is data, phones are input for data about your existence, companies sacrifice little (coupons/free cheap stuff) to get a lot from you--basic marketing concepts on steroids thanks to technology.

>>10019494
How is this harmful?
Its a win win. We get beneficial services for free, and they use our data to make their system more relevant to us

>>10019449
>>Except it is not that at all.

how so? increasing the minimum wage will give incentives for the company to automate. but even without it, the company would still have incentives to automate due to progress. automating now or automating later benefits one or the other. in the end it's simply whoever you ask depending on the now or later.

>>Just because something will one day be more efficient does not mean businesses are advantaged by prematurely switching to it

i never asserted that. what i did assert is that automation is an eventuality that, regardless of the minimum wage, is the future.

>>I think artificially burdening these businesses with dramatically more expensive labor forcing them to buy expensive automation to make up for it is bad for the economy.

ah this is where we disagree. I feel that the application of new technologies helps refine it and enables us to produce even more efficient products. the quicker we switch to new technologies that are known eventualities, the more competitive our economy will become.

>>10019468
>you're right, it's just the west is doing a poorer job of hiding it behind media lies nowadays

Wall Street is barely putting any effort into the lies anymore, for example the blatant attempt to take-over the Internet by repealing Net Neutrality.

>>10019513
>but even without it, the company would still have incentives to automate due to progress
They would already have automated if it were currently more efficient
>regardless of the minimum wage, is the future
Of course it is, but thats once again beside the point
>the quicker we switch to new technologies that are known eventualities, the more competitive our economy will become.
Only if the technology is better and more efficient, not the case when its only worthwhile because of artificial governmental induced expenses. A competitive market is much better at introducing beneficial technological adoption that some bureaucrats

>>10019489
>>Since McDonald's is a private company, they can sell my personal information to whomever they please. This includes disclosing my food consumption habits to my health insurance company, resulting in my getting higher premiums
>This most certainly is not a thing

https://thinkprogress.org/ancestry-com-takes-dna-ownership-rights-from-customers-and-their-relatives-dbafeed02b9e/
JOEL WINSTON
MAY 17, 201

Ancestry.com takes DNA ownership rights from customers and their relatives.
A word to the wise: Read the complete terms ofservice.

>>10019540
What does that have to do with anything?
>thinkprogress
You can always count on ""progressives"" to fearmonger about science and technology

>>10019489
>This most certainly is not a thing
wikipedia information brokering

>So what?
Under the national security act, US companies are obligated to disclose any information about you. You never know how any future distopian government can use this information about you.

>Corporations are not evil, their interests very rarely align with these insane conspiracy theories
I never claimed they were evil. I said their main goal is profiting off of you which can actually by unethical once you determine how that information is shared and with whom. You don't seem to understand that you are giving away private information freely, information that can be used against you, if not directly by the companies who got the data, then by some other entity who obtained it legally or illegally.
There used to be a point right before the internet got popular, when people used to host all their stuff, simply because they understood the importance of keeping personal information under their control, then at the turn of the century people got lazy and complacent and started giving away all their info to companies with a web presence, following that, information hacks became more common, identity theft, annoying personalized marketing, and so on. Now the same fucking idiots are sending away their DNA to private companies. Can't wait for someone to exploit that level of trust.

>>10019549
>You can always count on ""progressives"" to fearmonger about science and technology
I've seen just as much of that from both sides

>>10019503
You are making the assumption that all the data gathered is going to be used for your convenience. What about when free budgeting apps share your info with potential creditors, or when facebook shares any information you've given them with any relevant companies and then it comes to bit you in the ass?

You pretty much seem to be ok with this:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186

When you do something wrong or fall on hard times, which is the norm in an ever changing planet, you'll regret being part of such system.

thread moved to /g/ when?

>>10019539
>>Only if the technology is better and more efficient, not the case when its only worthwhile because of artificial governmental induced expenses. A competitive market is much better at introducing beneficial technological adoption that some bureaucrats

well this is a matter of opinion i suppose.

>>Of course it is, but thats once again beside the point

but it's not besides the point, the entire conversation is "hence the automated kiosks" it's as if the minimum wage is responsible for automation. it's not. it may delay or encourage the use of automation, but it is not the *cause*.

>>They would already have automated if it were currently more efficient

that's false though. every business is unique in their financial situation. it may be more efficient to automate but some simply cannot afford the up front capital cost. my point of view, as in efficient is simple. cheaper in relation to productivity. not efficient as in what they can afford at the time. contrary to popular belief, individual businesses are not infallible and do lag behind when it comes to efficiency.

>>10017416
>Odds are I'm making 3 times what you do.
t.comcast "IT" technician

>>10019581
You are literally talking about hypothetical future conspiracies
Also, sharing your spending habits with creditors would only be harmful to people with bad spending habits who probably shouldn't be trusted with credit to begin with. Basically just don't do dumb shit and you have nothing to worry about even in your worst case scenario
>fall on hard times, which is the norm in an ever changing planet,
Its not the norm, ever changing planet? what sort of bullshit platitude is this?

>>10017577
>Either education gets cheap enough that the poorest in society can learn enough to do jobs that can't be done by a robot
Education already is cheap enough that the poorest cab learn enough to do jobs.

Problem is that they spend their time drinking and partying and getting liberal arts degrees because their high school guidance counselors pushed COLLEGE and shit talked welders and electricians for 4 years.

>>10018138
>Hard work is still the key to the American dream but that dream is slipping by the day.
Ironic then that you're defending people who literally ask the government for hand outs instead of taking steps to personally develop themselves.

>>10019625
I'm all for shitting on gender stuies and english majors, but even they don't qualify as poor people. These are people who are too lazy to even go to college, most barely even can be counted on to show up to high school regularly

>>10017343
McD's was my first job when I was 15, the layout in those giant tablets is made for dumbasses using a computer for their first time who is also visiting McD for their. It is absolutely slower than the UI that cashiers use. It will always be a slower experience than telling your order to a 15 year old with ~20 days of experience.

>>10019680
people still need to eat and make a living you dumbfuck. what you're saying is that poor people should just be gassed. poverty is a trap that many people can't escape. it isn't about motivation, or work ethic, or will. stop averting your eyes from REALITY and justifying your brutality with fanciful ideology.

>>10017394
Do you really love shareholder cock that much ?

>>10017872
>The government being anally fisted with wads of corporate money is good for the American people
Jesus fuck how stupid are you

>wait in long ass line for retards to grunt to other retards to tell their stupid order and then the retard behind the cash register fucks it up fifteen times per customer

Vs.

>tap on a machine and take one minute tops to place your order, pay for it, then wait for it

You wot mate.

>>10019696
I don't think you understand what I'm getting at. I hate dealing with fast food workers. Even thirty seconds of talking to a cashier feels like ten minutes. I am so much happier just putting my order in on a kiosk, paying for it right there, and waiting for the counter to call my number. I get my food and absolutely minimal human interaction. Fucking 10/10 experience and it's absolutely worth whatever additional wait you're tacking onto it

In belgium they are starting to combine them with transmitters. You take one, enter the code while ordering, and after paying you take a seat. Then the staff bring you your order.

>fucking around on some stupid screen to ring yourself up when you can literally just tell them what you want
I don't see the appeal desu

>>10019680
>just pull yourself up by your bootstraps :^)))

>>10017394
>>10017394
you're distracting from the fact that corporations primarily serve themselves by design, and often screw over humans in the process, whether customer or employee

>>10019680
Companies lobby the government for subsidies all the time. Are they lazy? Shouldn't they just personally develop themselves or whatever that means. Why is one ok and not the other?

Despite what you may believe being poor is hard. How are you going to develop as a person when you're living paycheck to paycheck?

You live in your bubble and call everyone less fortunate than you lazy good for nothings. Whatever makes you feel better man. On a macro level though there are ways to address poverty. Personal finance needs to be taught in schools for one. I bet you'd call that a handout too. Despite what you think you're probably an accident or misfortune away from joining the poor you so despise.

>>10022385
on rare cases, but there is no denying that the age of corporations and capitalism has been great for the general public, and there is no worthwhile alternative

>>10022432
I don't think anyone denies the benefits that, but there's always room for improvement.

>>10021237
until you realize your order is wrong and you're too socially retarded to ask someone at the counter for help so you sit there and sulk while you eat what you were served.

>>10022432
don't confuse modernization with corporations and capitilism. if were up to corporations and capitilism all of the wonders of the modern age would be withheld from all but those who could pay the top dollar, and all of the ACTUAL social benefits you speak of i.e. raised standard of living, minimum standards for health care coverage & eduation, etc wouldn't actually exist.

>>10023214
>look mommy I'm projecting

>>10017250
Yeah but I don't have to catch any attitude from Bonquisha when I make substitution s on my sandwich.

>>10017250
I have a terrible stutter and it's an incredible feeling to be able to order food without the deep anxiety that my communication difficulty arouses.

What kind of fucking wacky ass orders do you people make at fast food places that cause this many mistakes to be made? Just order shit off the menu and stop trying to customize every little thing. The whole reason its fast is because its supposed to be streamlined.

>>10024968
Mcgangbangs.

>>10023500
this
I always order online from places if it's available

>>10024968
Oh hey it’s you, sup guy who says fast food places are well oiled “streamlined” machines of modern utilitarianism

>>10022345
Last year McDonald's in Australia did a Chicken Big Mac specialty burger.
Basically it was just a Big Mac, but with chicken instead of a beef patties.

I rather liked this take on the Big Mac.
One day, after it had been out for a while, I decided to grab one. I went up to the counter and according to the badge the guy was wearing, I was served by the Assistant Manager.
>"Hi, I'll just have a small Chicken Big Mac meal thanks..."
>"Sorry, we no longer sell Chicken Big Macs"
>"Oh, ok. Well then can I just get a small Big Mac meal, but can I get chicken fillets instead of beef patties?"
>"No, we can't do that!"
>"Ok then."
So I went to leave. But as I did, I noticed the self serve machine. So I went over, selected Big Mac meal, the "customize". I subtracted the 2 beef patties and added 2 chicken fillets. Then I selected done and paid.
I got my burger and low and behold, there was a Chicken Big Mac. A Chicken Big Mac that stores Assistant Manager had said they couldn't do.

No no no guys, haha, don't worry. Capitalism is actually good! You can ALL be millionaires if you work hard enough :) Stop worrying about it!

>>10028370
Maybe if we raise their minimum wage he will be able to figure it out.

>>10028442
>we
>raise
>their minimum wage

no we need to lower tax's on small business and get get of

>>10017250
>>10017250
I dont care if its faster. The most important thing is you dont have to communicate with low lifes subhumans anymore. They hardly even understand me

>>10028451
people like you will be shot first when the revolution occurs

>>10029184
Making small businesses more able to compete with large ones makes sense though. Best way to keep the big boys from amassing too much power.

>>10029241
if you want to level the playing fields then restore heavy and FAIR taxation on large corporations. make all of these wealth hoards pay their due.

>>10028884
>implying there is a difference between the "lowlife subhumans" that work at McDonald's and you, the lowlife subhuman that eats there

o i am laffin

>>10017345
>The menu prices increase despite labor costs going down drastically
labor cost literally doubled in some states, $7.50/hr minimum wage to $15/hr.
they fired people because of that and put in robots cause their staff was short now.
why did liberals think 15/hr was a good, did they want to lose their job?

>>10017416
>not sure why you wouldn't support it though
Since you're in IT I assume you never had to take an economics class about freshman level.
Any price ceiling or price floor, minimum wage, is inherently bad, it hinders the economy from its natural flow.
A price floor literally makes you pay more than something is worth. That alone is scary enough, all that money going to something not deserving of it.
>Que time to get upset cause i'm unempathetic
Everyone knows that if McDonald's only paid $3/hr, they would still find people to looking to work there. So why pay people $12 more?

>>10029501
>A price floor literally makes you pay more than something is worth.
Or gives you an excuse to pay less than it's worth.

>>10029501
Economics is about efficiency, not fairness. Besides, if McDonalds did pay 3 dollars, you'd still want automation because noone would want to deal with workers only paid that much.

>>10029347
I speak in general of such terminals. They emerging everywhere

>>10027995
Well arent they? You didnt make an argument.

It's such a shame that this shitfest kind of threat happens on /ck/. Minimum wage is an interesting topic of study and it's nowhere near as clear cut as either side says. Anyway, I think McDonalds' big problem with these screens is that they take up a fuckton of space and I find navigating the menu excessively time consuming.

Panera has a much smaller screen and it's far easier to browse the menu and construct a meaningful order once you spend 30 seconds understanding it. Once you do that its ridiculously easy. They'll get it right eventually

>>10017345
That profit went to the pockets of the investors

>>10018218
>they typically invest it in growth
Sure, but that doesn't mean more jobs or better paying jobs. I can, and now more than ever, often does mean better returns for investors and higher ups because they simply buy back stock, or reserve the money to buy back stock when the market crashes like they're doing now.

>>10017549
That's Berlusconi.

>>10029280
>implying they won't just evade the taxes like they always do so they can keep hoarding more money than they'll ever be able to spend

>>10022352
Yep, pretty easy if you make the effort.

I work with a Nigerian guy who came here with virtually nothing and is now a machinist making a comfy $65k.

Meanwhile niggers who have been here for over 150 years are still whining about MUH SLAVERY while collecting their EBT.

>>10022415
>Despite what you may believe being poor is hard. How are you going to develop as a person when you're living paycheck to paycheck?
I've been poor. I've lived paycheck to paycheck. I've worked two jobs to afford to live and saved every penny I could for night school to learn a trade. Got trained as an electrician, now pretty well off.

Why can't more do it?

I really like these because in foreign countries if you're in a hurry (when you really need to eat something and the only place you can get legitimately fast food is McDonald's) they have language selection. I don't have to make an order to a cashier in a language I don't know and it's 500% faster and easier for literally everyone involved.

>>10017752
>Gets medical assistance
>Then has to pay for it
>Then the medical expenses are grossly inflated cuz 'Murrican logic
It just stick to not have free healthcare, not to mention free school and University

>>10022345
It's been normal in Japan for 10 years now. Nothing's really changed except you don't have to have the waitress's cold smile gleaming at you for 5min while everyone makes their order.

You want a beer? You press button. Beer comes a min or two after. Conversation isn't interrupted, you don't have an annoying fucking server checking up on you every time you take a bite.

>>10024968
This. In many places they specifically prevent you from customizing your order so there's no mistakes or slow down.
You ordered a burger with onions but don't like onions? Then fucking order a burger that doesn't have onions then.

>>10028442
Min wage is almost $20 in Australia.

>>10018569
>managing a company is easy and sitting at a cash register is not

Okay well why don't you start your own company and make easy money? Tell me, please, why not?

>>10017250
Welcome to late stage capitalism, friend

>>10031948
And everything costs about double what it does in America.

>>10032935
You're wrong, it's like triple. But I'm from NZ but our minimum wage is 15.75 I last checked and a fillet fish burger combo costs like 12-13 nzd. I envy you burgers, everything here is so above price.

>>10031948
Luxury items are more expensive, but necessities are always affordable for people working full time on minimum wage which is not true in America. Also, there's proper health care instead of that weird government insurance thing that Obama imposed.

>>10033042
>but necessities are always affordable for people working full time on minimum wage which is not true in America
Except that's wrong.

>>10033067
Prove it. I'm talking about fresh food, by the way. Costs $25AU to buy all the vegetables a single person needs for a week if you don't go to a supermarket. So one and a half hours for vegetables, another hour for meat, and you're nutritionally set for the week.

>>10033076
Almost all staple vegetables such as carrots are potatoes are under a dollar pound, potatoes maybe 50 cents a pound. So I'd estimate I spend half what you do.

>>10017250
I rather use this than talk to the illiterates behind the counter that forget what you ordered after a minute. I've seriously started to hate going to mcd because they would keep messing up my orders. I never have any of those problems when ordering with those computers.

>>10033098
>>10033076
$25 AUD for veg? Where the fuck are you shopping, cunt? I feed a family of 3 on $10-15 AUD per week of fruit AND veg

find an asian grocer who doesn't pay Westfield rent and it's cheap as fuck. Cheaper than America in some cases.

$1 for 2kg of brown onions
69c for 1kg of carrots
49c for an iceberg lettuce
99c per kilogram for brocolli
$1.99 per kg for plumbs
99c for 250g punnet of strawberries

Food prices where you are must be fucked mate

>>10033218
So I spend an extra $10 per person and don't restrict myself to the absolute cheapest shit. So what?

Iceberg lettuce is a waste of money, by the way. No flavour, no nutrition. Get cabbage instead.

>>10033234
Cabbages are 99c m8 so are spring onions, it doesn't break my bank because as you said before (and here's proof), people in first world countries can afford the healthy basics and avoid disgusting 3rd world fast food every day. It's not really an issue that fast food is expensive here because we really don't eat it that much.

>>10033268
Not sure who you're arguing with. Not with me. Sounds more like you're arguing with the person I was arguing with.

>>10033274
Yeah I was.

>>10017250
They work fine in non-luddite cultures.

>>10017250
The thing that annoys me most about these is that if you order nuggets it asks for your sauce choice, and then they never fucking give them to you. Sooner humans are out of the picture entirely, the better

>>10017343
>customising the order
>at a fast food "restaurant"

Know your place you fucking prole.

>>10017250
>stand in line for 10 minutes
>I'll have 100 happy meals and a cheeseburger and a large soda and a ...
>make that 30 minutes
vs
>order
>check the queue length on the screen
>go to other stores
>come back 10-15 minutes later depending on how long the order queue is

>>10017250
I would never DREAM of asking for extra pickles or any other customization if I were speaking to a human being. It's mortifying to even think of.

But damn nigga, you stand me up in front of one of these and you might as well call me Chef Boyardee cause I'm gonna explore every single customizable option and I'm gonna take like seven full minutes to complete my order. I promise you.

>>10033558
Lol non-luddite culture what does that even mean you think technology is a panacea to everything and anyone who questions the role of technology in modern society just needs to get with the times man haha I learned the word luddite from internet forums too man it's great to be smart

I've already heard on TV some black figureheads on CNN accusing these kiosks of being racist and being invented by racists with a black audience just nodding their heads in agreement.

I wish I could make this shit up, but sadly, this is america today.

>>10035298
>I've already heard on TV some black figureheads on CNN accusing these kiosks of being racist and being invented by racists with a black audience just nodding their heads in agreement.

I blame white people for enabling this level of massive ignorance. On the other hand, it makes for great comedy for the rest of the world.

>>10035298
>black figureheads on CNN accusing these kiosks of being racist and being invented by racists

'Merica everybody.

>>10035298
>>10035346
>no source to the egregiously absurd assertion crying about muh niggras
Hi /pol/tards! Watcha cookin' besides alt-right memes and the frozen tendies mom's bf, Tyrone, paid for?

>>10017577
>>10019466
>>10019342
I try to be optimistic and imagine that human innovation will never really stop.

>>10035510
You should know by now that Trumptards don't need facts. Real discussion takes effort so they'd prefer to recite their bigoted, close-minded opinion and call you a libcuck soyboy when you present evidence against their bullshit.

>>10017250
I dont even enter fast food joints that doesnt have these anymore. Its easier to choose this way.

>>10017250
it is there to slowly ease you into being ruled by robot overlords!

>>10035560
Here you go.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/16/retail-industry-cashier-jobs-technology-unemployment

>The fallout from the impending crisis will likely be felt most by a different population from Trump’s fetishized ideal of the white, male worker. According to the Cornerstone report, 73% of cashiers are women. And an analysis of retail workers by Demos found that black people and Latinos are overrepresented in the cashier positions, which are the lowest paid.

>>10035690
Except I didn't ask for source, nor did I disagree with the premise of the article you posted. Read the whole thread before responding out of context, dumbass.

>>10017250
they're not meant for faster service they're meant for having minimal human contact

>>10035298
>I've already heard on TV some black figureheads on CNN accusing these kiosks of being racist and being invented by racists with a black audience just nodding their heads in agreement.

Niggers will not only blame their own failures on white people, but also robots.

Is there anyone on earth as hateful and racist as american blacks?

Why the fuck do you care about what they do? If its not faster then go ahead order in person. Does your uncle work at mcdonalds team?

>>10035690
>lack people and Latinos are overrepresented in the cashier positions, which are the lowest paid.

It's ok. Obama made sure these niggers will be taken care of sitting at home.

THANKS OBAMA!

>>10018616
They still are. If you're in your late twenties or older and still working in fast food you should probably kill yourself.

>>10035800
>Graph shows ARRA,
>does not explain that it was temporary and ended in 2013
>Neckbeards on the web gets angry

With people being this stupid I wonder why I haven't started a right wing cult and robbed you of all you own yet.

>>10035237
But the actual cooks can fuck it up. Its not just the person taking the order you have to worry about.

>>10035800
>niggers will be taken care of

Think again if you believe that Obama actually helped 'his people.' Hell, slick willy was a better 'black president' than Obama ever was.

>>10035800

That food stamp growth looks scary. How the fuck do they expect to sustain that level of spending?

>>10035901
>How the fuck do they expect to sustain that level of spending?
more debt
what's a few more trillion, between friends?

>>10017363
>Go dollar menu
>Let me get my time machine
Dude, dollar menu is fucked. I get two mcdoubles, a large fry, and a large soda and it's over $7. Outrageous.

>>10035990
large fry isn't on the dollar menu...

>>10035901
>>10035948
>gets upset about people on food stamps
>doesn't care about the fact that corporations pay an insanely smaller percentage of taxes than they did in the 50s, when the American economy was growing and the country was full of optimism
t. Hebrews

>>10036065
Absolutely and we didn't have an infrastrucure crumbling and 2 endless wars in the mideast supporting the zionists and the formation of a police state to fight an endless war on drugs for 1 trillion. But never fear, the Koch brothers paid Ryan $500,000 for accomplishing the passage of the tax bill.

>>10036065
>what was the post WWII boom
>what is rate vs revenue
>what is capital flight
>what was those niggas using creative tax filing to get around most of those anyway

Gee, it's like general terms and context isn't your strong suite.

>>10036190
Don't believe me? It's all in the numbers. For a hundred years, there's been a conspiracy of plutocrats against ordinary people.
>inb4 do you have a single fact to back that up?
Number one: In 1945 corporations paid 50 percent of federal taxes. Now they pay about 5 percent. Number two: in 1900, 90% of Americans were self-employed; now it's about 2%. It's called consolidation. Strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals. With taxes, this can be done imperceptively over time.

>>10036235
Okay, Bernie. Like I said, you view tax rates in a complete vacuum, but I guess that's your prerogative.
>https://wichitaliberty.org/taxation/tax-rates-and-taxes-paid/
>http://www.nationalreview.com/article/325126/truth-about-tax-rates-thomas-sowell
I could go on

>>10036065
>It's the ebil corporations!!!!!
It's because of lazy entitled niggers refusing to get a job.

>>10036325
>>10036335
fuck off shlomo

>>10036347
>I don't wanna understand macroeconomics! It's the corporations fault because they're easy to blame! Wah!

>>10036360
>5 shekels have been deposited into your account

>>10036373
>Gimme gimme gimme! Wah!

>>10022385
>corporations only survive because people voluntarily give them money for their goods and services
>"corporations primarily serve themselves by design, and often screw over humans in the process!"

ok. go return everything you own from those greedy corporations then, commie kike

>>10036402
>implying capitalism isn't the true kikery
Fuck off, heeb.

>>10036406
>he says this, unironically not knowing that Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky are literal jews by ancestry

nice try. Note how only white countries have embraced FREE MARKET capitalism (we don't currently live in a free market btw thanks to kikes like you), while shitholes such as BRIC for example -- Brazil, Russia, India, China -- have had a history of communist/socialist policies. In fact, modern China right now has only gotten to where it is because of capitalism. hmm...

>>10036431
>he doesn't know that all of them were labeled as anit-semitic because of their attacks on capitalism
Nice try Chaim, but your Jewish tricks aren't going to work on me.

>>10036439
>>10036431
>>10036406
can you race baiting faggots just shut the fuck up until you're a few years out of highs school?

>>10036439
they were admittedly self-hating jews. you can keep making yourself look like a bigger idiot by not googling their ancestry, but I'm not going to entertain your off-topic bait any further for your sake, kikemonger

>>10017416
We all can lie on the internet, faggot.
And depending on what you do, I may make more than you and I didn't have to do any schooling for it,if you want to play the wage game.

>>10036455
>highs school
>>10036461
I don't give a fuck about ancestry. It's culture and mindset that matters. Niggers are niggers because of their culture, not because of genetics.

>>10036550
>corrects me
>has never watched Billy Madison

get a loadda this pure aryan pleb

>>10036564
It's hike school, dumbass.

>>10036550
>Niggers are niggers because of their culture, not because of genetics.
is that why universally across different countries and various cultures, native niggers from the abos in Austrialia to the heartlands of Africa have all never independently done anything remotely of civilizational value without white influence? is that also why ghetto culture is an almost exclusively black phenomenon? there is no denying that culture plays a role, but you can't dismiss genetic patterns of human biodiversity across fucking continents as if there's no case to be made

btw by your own logic, a white man can follow Japanese culture and be "Japanese". fucking hell. now let's get back to food

>>10036571
it's hightkes school ya dickslice

>>10018053
>diet coke