/ck/ - Food & Cooking

I use a coffee maker.

>>10004278
You're grinding beans and then letting water extract oils. Fucking 16th century technology.

>>10004278
I use a moka, simple and wonderful flavour, easy to carry around when traveling and also available in several factor form.

>>10004278
I was using a manual burr grinder but I got bored of spending 3 minutes grinding so I went back to my $10 blade grinder.
I use a $10 melitta #2 size ceramic pour-over because it's easier than having to wash a french press every time, plus the water pour and the blooming step is satisfying to watch.
Also friendly reminder that the quality to price ratio for coffee plateaus after $6/lb.

>>10004278
what ever instant coffee i grab in the store

>>10004282
Does it really take that long with a manual grinder ? I was thinking about getting one since I figure it'd be easier to control how coarse a grind I get than with an electric blade grinder, but 3 minutes seems ridiculous.
Also desu you don't have to clean a french press that much. I just rinse mine out with water and dump the used grounds in the sink between uses, then properly clean it once a day.

>>10004283
Instant coffee is alright as a backup solution when you run out of coffee at 2am and the stores are all closed I guess.

I use a manual burr grinder, but I kinda wanna go back to an electric one.
This anon >>10004282 knows. Too much work, desu. I just use a cheap drip coffee maker right now, but I use unbleached filters, so that counts for something I guess.

>>10004284
I have a Kalita grinder similar to this one, and it takes a while. Maybe 5-6 minutes to grind enough for an 8 cup french press. It's worth the wait though, I don't think I'll ever be able to go back to my electric blade grinder.

>>10004286
Also, I have one of these Zojirushi boilers and I can't recommend them enough for anybody who uses a french press or any other coffee method that requires a hot water source. Having instant hot water is a godsend in the morning.

>>10004287
Do these heat water instantly, or are they burning electricity all day keeping things near boiling?

>>10004278
>Costco vanilla bean
>Grinder date
>Coffee maker

>>10004284
coffee has the potential to make a gigantic mess if you were to ever spill the bean and water slurry, why would you keep it next to your computer, even for a photo?

>>10004278
>>10004282
>>10004284
>>10004286
>>10004287

Fucking hipsters, get
>>>/out/
And use the moka as literally everybody does

>>10004278
Got a Hamilton Beach single serve. It's good enough for what I need, which is a single cup of coffee.

Id like to try to get into pour over but I'm poor right now and I'm not sure how long it'll take to get good at making it, so I don't want to waste good coffee and I don't know how well you can practice on shit coffee because it'll always taste like shit.

I still can't believe there exist people who pay $5 for coffee every single day and consider themselves coffee aficionados, so much so that they make it part of their identity and weave it into the culture of their profession.

>>10004290
Because I'm not a gorilla who spills everything I touch. I've never even spilled anything with my aeropress, I don't know how people manage to do that.
I don't use the aeropress anymore though, it's a hassle compared to french press and it doesn't make better coffee.

>>10004282
this is the coffee equivalent of a 40% mechanical keyboard

I drink Nescafe Blend 43. It's instant coffee. I'm very lazy and it's easy.

I unironically use a k cup machine to heat up water my French press.

>>10004297
It's OK anon, I use my coffee machine for hot water for my tea quite often.

>>10004295
it's literally just a manually operated drip machine, it's piss easy to use and has zero cleanup because it's all contained in the filter

now, if you want to go full autism with pour-over setup, feel free to do things like
>pre-wetting filters
>pre-warming mugs
>using a gooseneck electric kettle because you can't pour slowly for some reason
>using a drug scale to measure coffee and water down to the gram
>using a decanter carafe instead of just dripping straight into your mug
>using a timer and timing your pours in "stages"
>actually waiting a full minute for your coffee to "bloom"

>>10004298
>wrecking the taste of your tea with a machine used for coffee
what the fuck is wrong with you

ikea stopped selling their SS moka right as i was about to buy it REEEE

>>10004286
>>10004287
>grinds coffee for 5-6 minutes every morning
>doesn't have time to wait for water to heat up

>>10004300
My coffee maker has an individual part that i put the coffee in, I just have to remove that piece and then it's just hot water.

All is fine anon but thanks for your concern.

>>10004303
oh ok that might not be so bad then

Get on my level plebs

>>10004305
I've only seen those in the anime picture shows, what the fuck is it?

>>10004306
it's a coffee siphon, it works via vacuum and is simply an extremely elaborate french press
it's supposed to look impressive in coffee shops but it offers no real benefits over other methods

>>10004305
but can it be converted into a bong?

>>10004307
It does look fucking impressive. Like a moka/still/alembic only fancy. Seems very easy to clean being simple separable parts without the silicon crap that cheapo moka pots rely on nowadays for a seal.

Kebab coffee or GTFO

>>10004305
what is this called? where do i get it?

>>10004311
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_coffee_maker

>>10004310
This

>>>/ck/

>>10004310
kys

>>10004278
I don't do drugs.
Also, not /g/.

>>10004314
>>10004316
I mean there are totally elements to coffee that are inherently /g/ these days. Keurig has signed RFID enabled cups and shit. Isn't this bong hours? They worship the electric kettle?

Coffee /g/urus understand that low tech is best for this sort of thing. Even shit like >>10004305 is low tech.

>>10004316
Wow, found the virgin. Only a virgin would call coffee a drug. This guy is definitely not cool. I can tell these things, no one likes to be around him.

>>10004310
Too strong for me. Auto coffee machines is the way to do it, no headaches.

>>10004318
Coffee is my drug of choice though. You can tell I'm a cool kid because I do drugs.

>>10004281
>>10004305
moka is cool but I prever vacpots/syphons cause its just like my animus

>>10004317
It still amazes me that people are willing to pay $40 for 3 pounds of stale ground coffee in little pods.

Random dark roast, preground, 90s drip pot

>>10004310
I love mixing the creamy shit at the bottom into icecream. also as an armo I'm triggered by the use of "Turkish" to describe it

>>10004314
Nah. /ck/ is a shit board, it is to cooking what /mu/ is for music discussion, non-existent.

But the /g./ mod will likely 404 this so we can have another fucking apple thread.

>>10004322
>vacuum sealed pods with date of packaging
I mean, they do taste like shit but dont try to spread lies

>>10004325
/ck/ is an amazing board that only vaguely resembles cooking. Don't hate.

>>10004324
>triggered by calling it Turkish
It originated in the Turkey how else would you call it?

>>10004326
no, they literally do leave the coffee out in the open air to go stale so they can seal it up and not have it explode on store shelves

fresh ground coffee emits carbon dioxide for up to a week after being ground

>>10004320
>Thinks he's a cool guy cruising on coffee
>Doesn't zoom on espresso

I download the coffee molecule schematics off the internet and print them on my 3d organic printer

Get da beans from walmart, as their stock is definitely fresh, grind at home and cold brew dat shit. Best coffee ever fr

>>10004329
So its not only a problem with keurig? I see a lot of coffee vedors selling boxes of ground coffe in bags. Same process?

Keurig Master race
>Best tasting
>48 oz water reservoir
>has water filter to filter my already filtered water
>Literally takes 4 seconds from the time I think about a cup of coffee to be drinking it
>8 o'clock Italian dark roast there's literally nothing better
>19 cents a pod, can get boxes of 50+ on Amazon

>>10004333
most of those have a plastic 1-way vent in order to prevent the bag from bursting
you still shouldn't buy pre-ground coffee, it's completely stale by the time you open it.

Buy whole bean and grind it before brewing.

>>10004310
I hate you people. use a fucking filter ffs. why do you wanna drink coffee grounds? kys

>>10004336
Just pour more precisely. Are you some kind of spastic?

Anyone able to use an Aeropress without inverting it?

Whenever I do it normally it all just drips into the cup. Even if I pull the plunger up a bit to create 'vacuum' it still just drips through.

Been using the inverted method in the sink with a Hario Grinder. Works fine but I don't feel as if the coffee tastes that strong or great(let steep for 3-5 minutes).

Grinder's great purchase. Fuck blade grinders, fuck those gimmicky wooden box ones.

Probably going to buy a stainless filter when I run out of the paper ones it comes with.

>>10004334
Taste no. Convenience yes.

>>10004299
prewetting filters and prewarming mugs isn't autistic though.

it helps the filter 'flow' better(instead of getting slammed with slurry.

heating the mug keeps your drink warm longer.

>>10004278
Electrical grinder with timer (Mahlkonig Vario) -> cheap espresso machine (Gaggia Classic)

>>10004337
>LE BOOR BORE BRECISEBLY XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
there's always some fucking coffe grounds left over. it's the 21. fucking century. we have filters. why not use them? if someone made tea without filtering it you'd think he's stupid, but it's ok if it's coffee? kys. I'm so sick and tired of you faggots ruining coffee

I have one of these
Just put in a filter and some grounds and water and there you go
It makes pretty nice coffee, I'm happy

>>10004338
>it helps the filter 'flow' better
>instead of getting slammed with slurry
>slammed with slurry
>with slurry
Nigga, fucking what?

>>10004340
I dunno about tea but coffee grounds are literally not a problem. They ruin nothing unless you're some kinda sperg. Technological solution is not necessary because humans have fine motor skills. Maybe you're already misusing your own tech and grinding too finely.

>>10004336
I think Turkish is delicious even with a little grounds.

OTOH I'm generally making Espresso for time reasons.

>>10004343
don't lie to me. there are always coffee grounds on the bottom of the cup. I just don't get you people. clearly my way of doing it is superior because there is a 0% chance of getting any grounds in your cup so why do so many people still shill kebab coffee? it doesn't even taste any different

>>10004306
>>10004309
my brother has one. its a pain in the ass to clean. but it makes some nice coffee.

aeropress is the easiest way to make good coffee.
>>10004338
best way:
>paper filter in the cap, make it wet so it stays there
>wet plunger and cylinder so it moves easier
>move plunger a few cm in cylinder and have the opening upside
>put coffee in
>fill half with water (90°C) for easier stirring >(timer start)
>fill the other half
>put cap+filter on
>turn 180° put it on cup
>(some drops will fall out)
>wait until the minute mark, and start pressing
if this doesnt work you might want to buy a new press or other filters.
>let steep for 3-5 minutes
far too long anon

>>10004346
or you know
>insert paper filter
>insert grounds
>insert water
>enjoy coffee

I've been meaning to start cooking better coffee for myself, so far I've just been using the most generic of generic cheapo coffee makers with pre-ground beans if I want an entire can to drink over the day or my Nespresso machine for just single cups of Espresso.

What kind of setup would you recommend for what is pretty much a beginner I guess?
What's important to me is that it's relatively quick if I need it to be, I don't always have time to spend 10 minutes making coffee if I'm in a rush to get out of the house

>>10004345
I dont drink the kebab coffee but percolators and them are fine. Even things with a wire filter are going to get grounds in it for minimal benefit.

>>10004347
then why not use this anon?

>>10004349
I was talking about filter paper

>>10004334
Keurig and a multiuse plastic filter filled with freshly ground beans actually tastes great and it's super convenient

>>10004348
Mainly a decent electrical grinder with a timer / doser so you can quickly get correctly ground beans dispensed into the portafilter. I'm using the Mahlkonig Vario, but there are many other models.

And then any quick-ish heating espresso machine. As long as it can do pressurized warm water at ~the right temperature, you're already in fairly okay shape.

>>10004346
>aeropress is the easiest way to make good coffee.
This is wrong, french press is easier

>>10004354
Well okay, it depends on the amount of coffee and you had to include the time for cleaning. A single cup is faster if you make it with an aeropress. For larger quantities a French press wins.

>>10004338
stainless filters leave a ton of grit in

>>10004342
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>>10004354
No it's not. I'll never use a french press again.

Aeropress clean up is instant. You just take the bottom cap off and grinds/filter pops into the trash. It's self cleaning cause the gasket pushes down all the coffee.

You also get out more liquid, versus leaving some in the grinds.

>>10004357
Really? Read some bad reviews, guess I'll just stick with paper.

>>10004355
French presses come in many sizes, even a single cup is easier with a french press than an aeropress. The paper filters you use in an aeropress are better than the coarse filter in a french press, but that's about the only advantage I see.

>>10004359
See >>10004358
Cleaning takes much more time and this makes it overall slower then an aeropress.

>>10004358
>not eating coffee grounds
do you hate yourself?

>>10004301
Look for a Stainless Steel Bialetti, it seems to be pretty much the same

I have one of these, it's super useful since it lets me easily brew my coffee at the office without having to bring an entire setup with me

>>10004363
is that a dildo?

>>10004364
It's a portable espresso machine, originally intended for camping.
You throw in your powder and hot water, pump a bit, wait, and pour.

>>10004365
still not espresso tho.

>>10004363
How does it taste? How's the crema?

>>10004278
Same here, been meaning to get a decent burr grinder though since my plastic one sucks ass

>>10004366
>>10004367
It's good enough. Of course it can't compete with a $500 machine, but for what it is it's surprisingly okay.

>>10004278
I order single origin coffee that is roasted to order and shipped overnight, I grind my beans for each use in a conical burr grinder, I use a Chemex pour over with a 16:1 water to coffee ratio, an electric temperature controlled gooseneck kettle, start with water 30 seconds off the boil, spend 15 seconds adding 3:1 water to coffee weight to bloom for 30 seconds at the start of the brew process, and then slowly add the remaining water such that I finish adding water by 2m 30s . Then I wait between 4m and 4m 30s for the brewing process to complete and enjoy my perfectly extracted coffee.

I use freshly ground Mystic Monk coffee and I use a dripper with a cloth filter.

>>10004341
Only non-hipster answer in this thread

I mostly drink instant. Kenco Millicano or Douwe Egberts Gold are my usual picks. They taste alright and they're the quickest and easist to make. Boil water, pour over granules, drink coffee, resume whatever I was doing before I decided to stop and make coffee. Good for getting some caffeine down my neck before going to work in the morning.

When I have a bit more time and want to enjoy the coffee more I get out my cafetiere and some grounds, whichever caught my eye when I was last shopping. Currently I have some Taylors Hot Lava Java and it's pretty good. I own a grinder but after a week I was so fucking fed up of grinding beans that I just buy grounds now.

Side note, I don't know how Americans get through life without electric kettles.

One has to ask why coffee threads are coming to /g/ all the time. There's a perfectly good general in /ck/ that most /g/ coffee posters use anyway.

>>10004282
You should feel bad for using a blade grinder. Why not just buy a cheap burr grinder - whilst it won't be as good as a good burr grinder, it will be a lot better than a blade grinder.

>>10004278
Depends on what I want to make. I use a Sage/Breville pro grind for coarse coffee, either into a technivorm (one pot a day, into a thermal carafe, for easy caffeine), or V60 for my morning cup.

When friends are around I sometimes use my syphon, or if I have a bean that easily overextracts.

If I'm making an espresso I use the mazzer super jolly to grind, and then a gaggia classic for the espresso. Not the best kit, but does a good job. I just wish it had a separate boiler for steaming.

Occasionally my aeropress gets used, but I'm quite convinced it's a meme device of little value. Even if travelling I'd rather take a one cup V60.

>>10004292
Literally just fill the filter and pour water in. There's no skill to it, really. Unless you're really particular about how you pour it and whatnot

>>10004338
Works fine without inverting, although there will be a little bit of drip through right at the start. If you are getting a lot you most likely have a grind that's too coarse. Whilst your coffee shouldn't be talc like, it should be substantially finer than what you'd use for pour over.

Aeropress is also a bit of a pain to use in order to get a good cup. Pushing through gradually is very important as a) the water doesn't naturally mix so you end up with the water near the grinds rapidly saturating with coffee extracts, leading to an artificially short extraction, and b) because the pressure as you push through the filter causes the coffee oils to emulsify with the water, creating a more uniform and generally perceived as 'rounded' flavour.

Try, for example, blooming your coffee for 20s with ~20g of water (1-1.5x the coffee mass), filling to ~220g of water, stir, a few times, leave for about 1 minute, stir again, and plunge gradually over ~1 minute stopping when you start to push through the slurry (you start to get a wet sound as you plunge). Water temperature depends on your bean, but I usually go for fairly low temperatures with aeropress, ~80°C.

For what purpose

>>10004291
Some people care about the taste of their coffee.

Thank you /g/ mod for taking this stuff off /g/ and putting it somewhere sensible.

>>10004391
if only they'd move watch threads to /fa/

Does anyone have some recommendations for something like a "coffee starter kit"?

I mostly just drink coffee on the go, never at home, but would really like to try brewing for myself. What should I be looking at starting out? Some kind of grinder and a french press or something?
I don't really know anything about all the different machines and apparatuses people use to make coffee at home, what's important to me is that if possible it won't break the bank too much and isn't a complete cunt to clean. I usually prefer stronger coffee too if that matters

>>10004406
What's your budget, and what's your favourite type of coffee?

>>10004371
Wow, turns out /g/ has good taste!
Who'd've thunk?

Set water to boil.
Put 75g coffee in filter part of my French drip.
Fill the pot half full of ice.
Pour 450ml of hot water over the coffee.
Let drip into the pot.
Strain out the ice.
Repeat with a second batch.
Put into 1,5l bottle with 90g sugar.
Shake to dissolve.
Store in the fridge.
Makes 15ish, 90ml servings of coffee concentrate which I then thin out with 310ml of milk for my morning milkcoffee.
Despite all the milk, it's not weak. And the sugar evens out to only 1 tsp or so per 400ml of mixed milkcoffee, so it's not overly sweet, either.

>>10004413
I don't really know how much any of this stuff costs so it's really hard for me to name a budget.
Generally cheaper is better though, especially since I'm not really sure I will even stick to it and regularly use it. I really don't know, is there like a price point where the quality just spikes up dramatically or anything?

I like espresso a lot but aren't averse to a nice hot cup of plain normal coffee either, I really don't know if there is a proper term for that. I don't really ever use sugar or milk or anything of the sort

>>10004436
Espresso is expensive, normal coffee is less expensive, depending on what you want. In general each way of making coffee is quite different in result, so it's hard to put things into broad categories.

For Espresso your initial costs will be fairly high, you need a good grinder, and the quality/price means you'll want to go for a used professional grinder, the Mazzer Super Jolly is the go-to here, at about £200. You can buy cheaper (and smaller, if space is a concern) household burr grinders, but they're expensive for what they are. You're not likely to find a high quality burr grinder for less than £150 in any case.

The grinder advice is fairly general really, you need a good grinder for everything. You can get a good hand grinder for £60 or so I suppose, but they're irritating to use.

Entry level espresso machine is always an old Gaggia classic (when they still had the 3-way solenoid valves), I can't remember which model number that is off the top of my head, but it's easy to find out and there are always plenty, usually in good condition, on ebay. If it hasn't been adjusted you need to set the pressure down from 15bar to 9-10, which is easy to do. I'm not sure what current prices are here, but probably ~£150.

If you don't want to make espresso things are less expensive, I'd start by getting a ceramic V60 and a variable temperature kettle (brewista make a good one). Just grind your coffee, use a V60 filter, pour and enjoy.

Try out different beans, grinds, water temperatures, ratios of water to grind, pour rates etc. You'll make some awful coffee, and some great coffee, and you should get a feel for the taste spectrum. Make sure you try a variety of beans too, so you know how the tastes vary. There's astonishing variety.

Lastly, I shan't go into water and coffee, but I'll say here that it plays a big part - in terms of the chemistry, not some hipster 'used bottled water' sort of thing. You do not want soft water.

>>10004292
i use the same because i don't give a fuck about quality coffee. i just want to pres butan, receive coffee, add some hfcs, slam it and go.

>>10004436
Get a cheap burr grinder, make sure it's actually a burr though since there's lots of fakes, and then get something like an Aeropress to start out.

>>10004436
he >>10004463 already has some good points, just to add a view things:
dont waste money on cheap beans. find a good roaster in your town/internet shop, and you pay around ~8€-12€ per 250g beans.
get a grinder for >40€. just dont waste to much money on it. yes it makes a difference, but top grinders cost thousands of euros and you will not be able to taste the difference in the beginning.
use either a french-press, aero-press or v60 depending on how you want to consume it. all of these brewing methods are kinda cheap (<30€), fast and easy.

espresso is the most expensive coffee... there is not really any cheap way to get it.

>>10004333
all store bought coffee is shit

>>10004278
Turkish.
/thread

>>10004436
>>10004463
>>10004540
>espresso
>normal coffee
Isn't espresso just the same thing, just darker-roasted and more finely ground (but not as fine as Arabic/Turkish/Greek coffee)? Or am I wrong?

As for price of espresso being higher: I know that espresso is roasted darker than "normal" coffee is, so it loses more weight/mass/moisture during its processing IE while 1kg of green coffee might produce 825g of "normal" roast coffee, it might only produce 750g of espresso-roasted. Doesn't seem like much of a difference, but say that it cost the roaster $6/kg wholesale for green coffee. The roaster would have to spend $8 to produce 1kg of espresso-roasted beans v $7.27 to produce 1kg of "normal." The roaster will then have to attach labour costs and operations costs to that. A large, gas-powered coffee roaster can yield about 45kg of espresso-roasted coffee per hour and 50kg of "normal." It costs about $14 per hour to run one such roaster plus labour (for ease, we'll say another $36).
So then, (45kg x $8 supplies costs) + $50 operations costs = $410 per batch x 2,67 mark-up ≈ $1094.7 ÷ 45kg ≈ $24.33/kg retail price ($11.04/lb) for espresso.

(50kg x $7.27 supplies costs) + $50 operations costs = $413.5 per batch x 2,67 mark-up ≈$1104.05 ÷ 50kg ≈ $22.08/kg retail price ($10.02/lb).
However: there's also the point of espresso typically being blended and not single origin, as arabica gives coffee good flavour while robusta lends better body and crema. Blending itself can be seen as a specialised skill and people such skills typically cost more money to hire.
Furthermore, having an air of prestige in countries which do not traditionally drink it, such as the US, UK, Canada and pretty much every other English-speaking part of the world, espresso can be somewhat of a veblen good in those countries, artificially inflating the pricetag a bit beyond that.

>>10004748
nothing to do with the longer roasting periods of beans.
normal coffee can be just dripped through any filter. But good espresso needs high pressure, which means expensive machines. And a good grinder also gets more important. So your starting investment wouldn't be <100€ but >1000€.

here is a warning video about coffee autism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfKpgk15N3g

>>10004282
Blade grinders are shit. So are all manual burr grinders cheaper than the Aergrind at around $100.

Coffee doesn't have diminishing returns in quality until at least $18/12oz.

>>10004540
Pay attention to this chap, bean quality is paramount. I found at first I was paying 40+ /kg, once I got to know the roasters this fell by 30-40% (wholesale prices).

>>10004748
If you're talking about the bean, it's typically roasted at a higher temperature, resulting in deeper caramellization and lower moisture levels. It's ground fairly fine, yes.

If you're talking about the coffee output, it's rather different to other types of coffee, due to the concentration, types of coffee aromats extracted, and degree of emulsification (that's your crema). You also have the quantity of grind vs output for espresso, as you aren't deeply extracting your grind you use a lot of coffee.

Blend vs single origin is an interesting topic for espresso; it's quite rare to find an arabica bean which is well suited to espresso, delivers a complex flavour with balanced acidity, and has good crema. These definitely command a premium in price.

>>10004934
Even if it costs >1000€ for the initial investment of a good machine and grinder, such implements will provide tens of thousands upon tens of thousands upon tens of thousands of uses. Going with USD as standard, that > $1200 initial investment can yield over 36000 uses before needing to be serviced, meaning it's less than 4¢ cost per use, assuming $1201 investment. Even double that, it's less than 7¢ tacked on per use. Inconsequential in the long run, really.
Furthermore, the price of brewing equipment has nothing to do with the price of purchasing beans. At all. Not even a little bit. The fact that espresso-roasted beans are more expensive has zero correlation to the fact that espresso requires separate equipment to prepare.

>>10004973
I was talking only about the retail cost of the beans themselves. I can't begin to guess the price of espresso v "normal" coffee as I'm not sure what ratio is considered standard for brewing "normal" coffee, though I think it's 1:16, have I got that right?

I use a 1:6 ratio for espresso, which is a tad long compared to the standard 1:4.

>>10005006
1:16 is the usual. I haven't seen a difference in price between high quality arabica in general and espresso roast counterparts in the UK.

>>10004989
The post was still more or less for this guy >>10004406.
Using euro as standard, 1000€ isnt really that much. But for someone who just knows capsule machines or starbucks coffee, a simple aeropress+mediocre grinder is a good starting point for ~100€.
good quality equipment is of course worth it. but you dont recommend a beginner a mahlkönig grinder. you start with an small investment and when the guy is still interesting he will look up further equipment.
>Furthermore, the price of brewing equipment has nothing to do with the price of purchasing beans. At all. Not even a little bit. The fact that espresso-roasted beans are more expensive has zero correlation to the fact that espresso requires separate equipment to prepare.

thats exactly what i wrote anon...

>>10004973
Blends are always worse, even for espresso.

I use pic related and the cheapest beans I can find

>>10005045
That's a retarded stance to take, are you one of those guys that considers using more than 1 spice in their dishes a travesty as well?
Blends are great if they are properly put together. It takes a lot of skill and experience though, you can't just randomly mix two different beans and expect to get good results.

>>10004395
/g/ watch threads talk about the watches themselves and the internal mechanisms that go into one, valuing build quality and cost effectiveness from a utilitarian standpoint
/fa/ only cares if a watch looks good with their outfit and they often don't even set the time
Notice that /g/ never talks about quartz dime a dozen fashion watch brands like fossil and michael kors, they're boring and all have the same shitty $10 chinese quartz movement.

>>10004395
Fucking kill yourself. Watch threads on /fa/ are the worst shit to ever grace the planet

>>10005045
I have a preference for single origin espresso, but I do see the appeal of blends, especially for milky drinks. I don't think one has to be a puritan with coffee (unlike with tea, where blends are truly a travesty), but a good blend is hard to make, and most available blends are made with cost in mind - minimising the arabica content, or making a variety bad beans into a just about drinkable in combination.

Are there any coffee grinders that don't make a huge mess?
I've tried so many, even expensive machines, and they all had lots of spillage everywhere.
I don't have a kitchen in my joke of an apartment and my coffee machine sits in my living room so it's a massive pain having to clean everything

>>10004305
This is literally just a fancy looking moka pot. How retarded

>>10004310
That's pretty tasty but too much trouble for my regular coffee. Tastes very good though, really intense and flavourfull, not watery at all. Basically what I imagined coffee tasting like before I began drinking it.

>tfw I just buy preground coffee because I'm a poor fag and don't want to spend 1k+ for a used grinder
Feels okay tbqh, I really don't see what all the fuss is about

Freshly ground beans and a drip coffee maker.

>>10004305
>>10004321
look at that uneven extraction
coffee will only ever be "okay" or "decent" out of that

>>10004305
Forget about the coffee maker. Why does the old man have no shirt on?

>>10005529
Honestly, I've never had a single single origin espresso I've liked. That said, I've never bought single origin for home use because of how horrible my experiences with SOE at coffee joints has been.
While a good espresso blend is like a choir (and a bad one is like the musical number in a primary school panto), a single origin is more like a soloist struggling to hit all the notes meant for a choral piece and ultimately, straining hoarsely in his attempt, unable to hit anything outside of his standard 1.5-2 octaves.

Knowing my opinion on this, what SOE would you recommend me in an attempt to change it and how should the shot be pulled?

Would you guys actually recommend getting a french press and if so are there any specific models I should look into?
I'm pretty new to coffee in general and don't really know what I'd like. I've just been browsing a bit and saw that French Presses seem to be the by far cheapest and seemingly most convenient out of all the different methods you guys are talking about in this thread

I grind the beans with a drill chucked onto a Kyocera burr grinder and an aeropress.

I can’t stand grit in my coffee so French press is a no go.

>>10005710
Bodum is the standard press. The have cheap models like the Brazil or Kenya ($20) or a fancy one like the Chambord ($40)

>>10005744
Thanks, I think I'll get one of those.
First to figure out where to even get beans from out here in the middle of nowhere though... I always dislike ordering food items over the internet but I probably won't have much of a choice

>>10005744
Sorry if this sounds stupid, but is there a drawback to getting one of the bigger ones and just not filling it completely?
Most of the time the 0.35L ones would be perfect for me since I really only need a cup, but when I have people over I could really use one of the 1L ones.
Can I just fill the 1L one by a third or so or does that have some negative impact on the coffee since the ground pulver is spread thinner or some shit maybe?

>>10005816
I think you are over thinking it.

>>10005816
No drawback. And do not get a twelve ounce one. The smallest I'd get is a 16oz because you want to be able to stick your hand in there with a rag or sponge to clean it instead of a damn bottle brush and the 13oz only yields like 8oz of coffee. The 16oz is good for one 12oz mug of coffee

>>10005099
>>10005529

Blends are always problematic since, no matter what you do, the componets have different soluability. One componet of a blend always cripples extraction of the others.

Any recommendations for a new and affordable burr grinder? I guess manual since I don't want to spend too much.
I've been using a cheapo blade grinder I got from my grandma with my french and aero presses so far.

Are these Hario Skerton grinders any good? They seem to be the most popular on amazon

>>10005917
I use a porlex with my Aeropress.
It's Japanese so I was a bit dubious but it's actually quite well made, dependable and produces a consistent grind.

>>10004294
>it's a hassle
i don't think it takes longer. prep time is nearly identical and clean up for the aeropress is faster because of the discarded filter.
>doesn't make better coffee
subjective obviously but i'd argue the aeropress makes a cleaner coffee while having the same intense flavor. i have both a french press and aeropress and only use the latter or my espresso machine nowadays

>>10005917
Skerton is trash. Horrid grind quality.

Get the coffee ground by the roaster when you buy it while you save up for an Aergrind.

>>10005917
I use this one for my French Press.
https://store.handground.com/collections/frontpage/products/handground-precision-coffee-grinder?variant=1106525181

>>10004305
how do you control the water temperature in these? i only ever had coffee from them once which was burnt because they used boiling water.

>>10004310
this is really good as a sweet desert, wouldn't want to drink it daily though. fun to make aswell

>>10004363
how much coffee do you get out of these? seems like you can hardly make 4oz with it

>>10005947
Its like a moka pot in that it gives a smaller portion of stronger tasting coffee.

>>10005889
Single origins are always problematic since, no matter what you do, you can only extract one note shots. Single origins can only ever be single note.

>>10005939
This one looks really cool but I think for nearly 100€ I could probably already get a solid automatic grinder, right?
Not sure how worth it actually is.

>>10005934
I'd rather grind them myself. There aren't any good coffee shops around here so I have to order all my beans online.

>>10005929
Porlex looks pretty nice, kinda small though. I guess it's fine if I only want to make a cup or two, but refilling it constantly sounds like a pain.

>>10004305
>>10004321
that literally makes filter coffee. Seriously, I experimented with one a lot and makes watered down coffee. We use this shit to put up a fancy show in front of clients with expensive coffee and no sugar.

>>10006022
Porlex is OK and in any case if you're using an Aeropress you're only making one cup at a time.

>>10004347
for cofee on the go this is the cheapest, best option, no expensive sectarian device needed

>>10005939
Wasn't that a kickstarter from a while ago?
How is it?

>the guy who uses a mini french press in his cubicle at work
>has anime figurines on his desk too

>>10004341
I have a Bosch one, it's pretty great.
For Espresso I have a Quickmill 0820.

>>10004362
too fucking expensive REEEE. Ikea's was $20

>>10005079
price: your soul and left testicle

>>10004299
>not just getting a scale with a built in timer

>>10005710 here again

I just ordered a french press and am now looking at some coffee, but the sheer mass of different brands and bean types is completely overwhelming.
I was thinking about using https://www.coffeedesk.com/coffee/ , is there any good beans you can recommend me to try so I can start developing my own taste?
Really have no idea where to even begin

I want to get into coffee because apprently if it's prepped and brewed right you don't need sugar or cream because it won't be too bitter and have a taste and flavor of it's own.

What should I get for brewing and what kind of coffee beans should I get.

t. A faggot who likes old-fashioned teapot brewed tea.

>>10006228
>not bitter
Coffee will always be bitter. The people who tell you a cup is not bitter are people used to that flavor so really they were just saying that it's not noticeable to them. Don't get your hopes up until you get used to the flavor.

>>10004299
>>pre-wetting filters
Necessary
>>pre-warming mugs
Necessary
>>using a gooseneck electric kettle because you can't pour slowly for some reason
Yea, that's a luxury
>>using a drug scale to measure coffee and water down to the gram
Necessary
>>using a decanter carafe instead of just dripping straight into your mug
Necessary for multiple cups
>>using a timer and timing your pours in "stages"
That's a specific technique called pulse pouring. Some like it, some don't
>>actually waiting a full minute for your coffee to "bloom"
A minute is excessive, but blooming is necessary for pourover

>>10006215
Start with a single origin from somewhere in Central America.

>>10006300
How long can you usually keep beans around?
Could I just grab a couple different ones to save on shipping and slowly go through them over the next 6 months?

>>10006417
Beans only stay fresh for a couple weeks after roasting. They don't necessarily "go bad", they just lose a lot of their flavor.

>>10006437
Also, you'll likely want to try other roasters too, so don't put all your eggs in one basket. Not sure if that store is cheap for you or not but you'll still probably want to shop around after you get started

>>10006417
You can technically keep them around indefinitely, they probably won't taste like much after a few years though.
You should really only buy as much coffee as you are going to use up over the next few weeks. Keep it fresh, buying in bulk even if there's a sale going on right now isn't really ideal

hand burr grinder
v60 or french press
gooseneck kettle
1:16, 200F, black with 1tsp turbinado

>>10006277
>Necessary
>Muh precious bean water rituals
>Muh subjective preferences
Lord. What a windbag.

>>10006277
1. Agreed, pre wetting with hot water gets rid of the papery/cardboard taste
2. Not necessary, who takes longer than 5-10mins to finish a cup of coffee? If you were planning on staying a long time in a cafe then your coffee will get cold no matter what. If the cafe's busy, maybe you should just finish your coffee and get out so other patrons can dine in.
3. Agreed, unless your spout is really really large.
4. Maybe initially when you're a newbie at getting the right amount of coffee, then later on maybe you can just eyeball it without using a scale.
5. Agreed
6. Again yeah maybe for a newbie
7. Agreed, apparently the recommended bloom time is 30-ish seconds

Very useful for muh aeropress bros

If espresso autist anon is in here I would love to hear his thoughts on smoke roasted coffee if he has had it.

>>10006188
at least I got the machine for free

>>10006625
Enjoy your shit coffee

>>10007044
I always get better results using the non-inverted method.

first person to reply with a v60 recipe for ~200-250ml/8oz gets a free (You)

Sometimes I use a coffee maker. I prefer to drink it without milk or sugar.

>>10004338
>Even if I pull the plunger up a bit to create 'vacuum' it still just drips through.
use a finer grind?

>>10004302
Not him but I love the process. Gives me something to do and a purpose. It's healing, in a way.

>>10004278
I drink instant

>>10009322
>i like my coffee like i like my sex life

>>10009360
That was uneccessarily mean and I apologize.

But good things do take time, tho.

>>10004291
French Press tastes good. How's it hipstery anyway? Mokas and all that crap are what hipsters use here.

>>10004287
Or just use a kettle and take it off before it finishes boiling.

>>10004310
It honestly isn't worth the hype. I prefer french press.

>>10004372
I'm not paying God's knows how much for a machine that's a massive fuss to clean and doesn't even produce coffee that tastes that good.

If I wanted to be lazy with coffee I'd just drink instant. A french press is easy as fuck to clean and simple to use.

>>10009379
It's also cheap. You can get one large enough for four or five cups for under £20 easily.

>>10004358
French press clean up is instant; you take the top off, rinse it and clean the jug.

>>10006022
Porlex is trash too. You really need an Aergrind as absolute bare minimum.

>>10005939
Did anyone back this? How is it?

How do you guys store your beans?
I have a bunch of WMF containers that I throw mine in. Those then go into the cellar.
They aren't a complete vacuum or anything obviously but they seem good enough for me.

Did anyone fall for the beans in the fridge memes?

>>10009506
I keep them in a glass jar in the cupboard. My grinder is in a dark corner of the kitchen so I have no issue with putting a couple of days worth of beans in the hopper at a time.
Keeping them in fridge is unnecessary unless you live in a desert and have no air conditioning, imo. As long as they're away from light, then room temp is fine. That's why I out the jar in the cupboard. If it was solid ceramic or anything that didn't let light in then I'd keep it on the bench. Probably.

I brew through an E61, for reference.

>>10009506
There is no way those seal properly, get a nice container that was specifically made for beans and has a one way valve.

What's a good manual grinder? Is around 60 USD a reasonable price point?

>>10010294
Aergrind and Porlex should be around that price.
If you are willing to pay a little more you could get a Handground for 75$.

All three of those are very high quality burr grinders that can compete with automatic machines that cost thousands of dollars.

>>10010303
I found Aergrind, but it's like 120 USD over here in Denmark. Are either of the others available in Europe?

>>10010303
>comparing a plastic and cheapass ceramic piece of shit to thousand dollar grinders

haha no

>>10004278
Kalita and Beehouse > all

that said, I still use my French and Aeropress every now and then.

>>10010303
A Porlex is not high quality. It's on the same level as a Skerton

>>10010303
Handground is, by far, worse than Aergrind and only marginally better than Porlex. It still has trash burrs.

>>10007020
Different coffees have different densities. It's literally impossible to get the correct amount without a scale.

Makes the perfect cup of coffee every time

>>10006014
My problem with blends isn't notes. Both single origins and blends can be complex.

My problem is that different components have different soluability, resulting in it being completely impossible to correctly extract a blend. Once the first componet to reach 23-24% gets there, you need extraction to stop or the whole thing becomes bitter. This leaves other components behind, be that at 20%, 18%, or, god forbid, 16% extraction.

On a more personal note, I dislike blends because they're most often used for "balance", the complete antithesis of interesting coffee. But that's personal. Soluability is objective.

>>10010329
>Denmark
Check your local market because you would have better options than most people who will be suggesting Chinese made American brands with Italian names marketed as having German Engineering.

>>10010346
Porlex is leagues above garbage like the Hario Skerton.
Is it as good as an Aergrind? No, but that one also costs twice as much.
If you are looking for a grinder around 50$ the Porlex is as good as it's gonna get

>>10010375
I don't think the local market around here is that much better.

>>10010329
https://www.coffeedesk.com/coffee-machines-and-grinders/hand-grinders/
Is the only store that officially sells Handground grinders in EU. They have free EU wide shipping too, which is pretty cool.
Porlex is a Nip import, you can get them pretty much everywhere via ebay or amazon.

>>10009383
Master race, really.

>>10010357
>"Coffee"
For lazy coffee dabblers and offices only.

Where do they sell coffee beans? All I have seen is pre-ground coffee bags on the grocery store shelves.

What's some good coffee beans to use for a French Press?
Are Espresso beans good for it since they are usually bitterer and have a stronger flavor?

>>10010513
"Espresso beans" don't exist, that's simply not a thing.
You can use whatever you enjoy with your french press, experiment a bit and try out different origins and roasts.

>>10010511
Specialty stores, if you live in the middle of nowhere like me you probably won't have a choice but to order them online.
Make sure you pay attention to the roast date whenever you buy beans, anything older than 2 weeks I wouldn't bother with even if it was cheap as hell.

>>10009365
>mokas are hipster
I see stuff like this on /ck/ all the time.
>olive oil is hipster
>lard is hipster
>nutella is hipster
>appenzeller is hipster
>eating nose to tail is hipster
>cooking from scratch is hipster
>kale is hipster
>chocolate that's neither mars, hershey's nor nestle is hipster
>etc etc etc is hipster
Guess literally everyone in my country, including my positively ancient parents (she's 71 and he's 69; had me REAL late in life), my even more ancient grandmother and myself, are überhipsters, since we were doing all that stiff since before it was cool.
Good to know we're ahead of the curve, I guess.

>>10010455
It's still coffee

>>10010357
This thing was designed from the start to be one of those neat office mainstay gadgets that need to stay powered on all the time, like copy machines, and water coolers.
I never understood why people started buying them and keeping them in their house, eating up electricity all day since they have their coils warmed up ready to heat water and brew coffee in just a minute when fully on

I prefer the tringle method desu.

>>10010858
But they turn off automatically after a while.

I tried a siphon but my "bunsen" wich I've tried with ethanol and lighter fluid makes my Teflon black.

And I doing this right?

>>10010647
Its a convienent label to try and devalue something at this point.

>>10011022
normal people just use a gas stove
what the fuck are you doing

>>10011050
Trying to make a big mess

>>10011050
I don't have a gas stove

>>10011022
Get a small adjustable butane burner for it. Of fucking course burning ethanol and lighter fluid under it is making it black.

>>10011144
Fire is fire, it literally does not matter.

Why is it so hard to find coffee videos where nobody talks, it's just them making coffee without having to look at their disgusting beards and having to hear their jarring numale voice which doesn't fit their face at all.

>>10011148
Some fuels burn cleaner than others

>>10004324
Coffroach here, go fuck yourself with a brick.

>>10011148
>>10011172
This, and at different temperatures and different devices vary in controllability. Your little liquid fuel stove is absolutely not capable enough to get good coffee out of a siphon. Get a butane one.

>>10011497
Wow, adding this one to my autism coffee ritual list.
>buying specialty fuels to heat the water
>it tastes different I swear!!

>>10011632
Uh, are you retarded?

>>10004308
What CAN'T be converted into a bong?
I've smoked out of fruits, meats, pieces of trash, discarded bottles, I mean if you're creative pretty much any solid object can be a bong.

>>10011632
Butane is standard shit dude. Ethanol stoves are ghetto ass jerry-rigged slow burning zero control pieces of shit that shouldn't be used for anything but maybe heating up your crack pipe.

Any coffee catalog with flavor tags? I fukn HATE floral shit like lavander/ bergamot/ ginseng/ lilac/ jasmine/ etc.

How do I get into Turkish coffee? I read somewhere that it's very potent.

>>10004324
Lebanese hate the Turks too (prolly cause half of us are part Armenian anyways) but we still call it Turkish bruv

I'm about to start using french press again since I just got one for Christmas. Do you guys actually stir your mixture or do you lightly press the grounds enough to be wet while it steeps? I always did it second way because it was in my first guide, but most guides now say to stir.

>>10004278
>Fill up ceramic coffee cup with water from fridge
>Put in microwave for two minutes
>Pour into Yeti tumbler
>Add scoop of instant
>Mix up and drink
Don't knock it until you try it

>>10013053
Have an Arabian family member or a friend who has one

make sure they can read the grounds too

>>10014029
Here's what I do.

1.Warm the pot up with hot water.
2. Add my coffee.
3. Take the water when it's at the right temperature and slowly pour it over the grounds.
4. Let it stand for about four/five minutes.
5. Stir the bloom into the coffee.
6. Press and enjoy.

>>10004291
You know how I know how you are literally retarded?

>>10004299
>Not doing all these things

Its like you want your coffee to taste like shit

Bagged coffee grounds and a drip coffee machine

>>10015161
>about four/five minutes.
The fuck? That's a huge difference

>>10004299
its not necessary to do these things to end up with great coffee, but it is necessary if you want consistent results which allow you to tweak....

>>10005947
4oz is like 2 double espressos.....how much were you expecting from a portable espresso pump?

>>10006228
Coffee is bitter, that's how it works. But Cappucinos and etc don't require anything past the milk's natural sugar when prepared properly and the taste is amazing.

French press. Too much of a cheap ass to get an Espresso Mahince with a steamer.

I just use a cheap drip coffee machine. I've tried most other methods but nothing is better enough to justify the cost, time and bother.

>>10016398
Do you buy pre-ground coffee you store in the package it comes in too?

>>10016406
I used to but recently a nice coffee shop opened nearby so I can finally buy good beans so now I buy beans and grind them before hand.

>>10004287
my gas stove or microwave makes hot water pretty quickly though

Coffee is gross, stains your teeth, and makes your mouth smell like vomit

>>10004288
they keep it warm
but if you use it allot it comes to the same as bringing the kettle up to heat every time you need hot water

>>10004278
I use a French Press with my own hand ground beans if I have some more time and shitty Nespresso capsule coffee with some milk to mask the taste if I'm in a rush.

Are these any good? From the site that was linked earlier
https://www.coffeedesk.com/product/2294/Wilfa-Svart-Wscg-2-Automatic-Grinder

>>10005699
That's a hard question to answer.

I've recently been enjoying a natural Lempira form Francis Arturo Romero's microlot. I very much like the coffee he grows, and I do find Lempiras work well for espressos and lungos.

The main point is to look for a balanced acidity, so many of the African coffees that produce a 'bright' cup via pourover or other methods are not easily suitable for espresso. South American Arabicas on the other hand, that tend to produce spicier, and sometimes sweeter, cups do well in espresso.

Lastly, the quality of the roast is ever so important, the sugars need to be caramelised without the coffee being over roasted, and the temperature control during roasting affects which aromats are preserved, so if your coffees lack sweetness or depth, or if they are harsh and bitter, it might be the fault of the roaster.

In terms of how to pull the shot, it's really a matter of the specific bean, I find it varies from roast batch to roast batch. So just follow the usual advice, a double espresso shot should be ~60ml and pulled over ~30s with fairly constant flow rate. If it tastes odd check the espresso in thirds (three shot glasses, first third of the pull in one, second in the next, third in the last) and see which part of the extraction is overbearing or offensive and adjust accordingly.

>>10011164
This desu

But sump's ice coffee recipe gave me really good results, though I'm sure there's even better ones out there.

What's the best way to make coffee with a french press?
Do I stir or just let it sit?
What kind of bean to water ratio should I use?

I've never cooked coffee that wasn't from a capsule machine before, help

>>10004294
At work we make coffee with shit stainless steel french presses, and 50% of the time pressing down the handle sprays coffee grounds and boiling water everywhere

>>10017799
What the fuck are you doing, are you filling it up to the rim with water or some shit?

>>10004308
It wouldn't work with lighting the weed on top, as the water would fill up the top chamber and the weed would get wet. However, if you were to fill the bottom half with weed and then put the burner underneath it, you could suck the smoke out from the top if you were to place your mouth on on the rim of the glass.

A gravity/water bong of sorts could be created with the addition of a third chamber of sorts, an airtight seal with the top chamber and a bowl to light the weed. You would use the coffee machine as usual, and when the top chamber is filled with coffee/grounds, light the weed and remove the burner at the bottom. The falling coffee would suck smoke into the top chamber, which could then be inhaled through the bowl. This would, of course, be a needlessly convoluted way to simultaneously make coffee and smoke weed, but would be a hipster's wet dream and a spectacle for guests.

You're alright /g/, you're alright

>>10004290
>Troy & Abed mug
ayyyy

>>10017907
basically the filters are fucked and bent, so pic related happens if you push fast. The fucked filter also results in gritty coffee, but most of the grounds sink to the bottom before the coffee is poured anyway

>>10017502
For that specific coffee, how many bars is optimal for the shot and should I use constant or variable pressure for it?

>>10018134
Constant pressure, at the moment I'm extracting with 10 bars, using about 17g of coffee ground slightly coarser than typical for a double shot. Coarseness is such that there's no clumping directly out of the grinder, as there tends to be when the grind gets finer and towards a talc consistency, but it does clump and remain clumped if pressed between two fingertips.

>>10017408
Pretty good, yeah.

Is there an easy way to tell when your water is hot enough?
I have a plain old water boiler from Phillips without any sort of thermometer on it and usually just wait until my water is boiling, turn it off, and then wait half a minute or so, but I think it might already bee too cold by then. ~95°C is just such a pain to hit

>>10011164
All three of those thumbnails were disgusting.

>>10004325
I wonder when Apple will make a iCoffee machine for the low price of $10k.

>>10004331
What about brand coffees? Are those on Pirate Bay?

>>10016398
Same here. We have a French press and a moka pot, and 95% of the time we just use the drip coffee maker.

Freshly ground beans though.

>>10020960
>my water is boiling, turn it off, and then wait half a minute or so, but I think it might already bee too cold by then.
I seriously doubt it's cooling that much in 30 seconds. If anything, 30 seconds may not be enough. The best indicator is taste, obviously, but you can also just go get a food thermometer to double check...

I place several scoops of the cheapest tree-bark flavored generic coffee I can get from the giant metal cylinder it comes in into the stained and wretched coffee "machine" which has likely not been washed in a decade, and wait for the disgusting black sludge to fill the hard water stained receptacle of despair, which I then carry to my computer to directly use as a coffee mug like some kind of gorilla.

Sometimes I attempt to block out the taste of the rancid burnt tragedy-in-a-pot with the cheapest and shittiest Irish Cream I can get from my local americlap chain store.

It's p gud.

>>10004341
im even worse

What do you guys think about metal filters?
The price of paper filters adds up pretty quickly with how much coffee I drink and I forget to stock up on new ones all the fucking time anyways, so if they are any good I might switch

>>10022024
I've used em on drip systems and they work fine. Just make sure you give them a good clean after using them.

>>10018044
Buy a new one you cheap son of a joo

anyone have any favorite brands/places to get decent (but not overly expensive) espresso beans? Please share

>>10022024
i'd assume that they are a pain in the ass to clean

Gaggia Classic and Rancilio Rocky grinder for my espresso. I buy beans from a local roaster

If I'm not feeling espresso I use a moka pot and coarse grind

I pour the boiling water directly over the grinds and then pour out a bit after a few minutes, less than five minutes I can maybe do a review, but I enjoy tasting it and seeing the flavor change as it steeps which sometimes leads me to exceed 10 minutes (devilishly}. I then pour it through a coarse metal bodum filter for which the vaselike carafe broke over a year ago. Usually brew in a thermos, usually pour into the conveniently available French press carafe that lost it's lid over a year ago.

I pour the boiling water directly over the grinds and then pour out a bit after a few minutes, less than five minutes I can maybe do a rebrew, but I enjoy tasting it and seeing the flavor change as it steeps which sometimes leads me to exceed 10 minutes (devilishly}. I then pour it through a coarse metal bodum filter for which the vaselike carafe broke over a year ago. Usually brew in a thermos, usually pour into the conveniently available French press carafe that lost it's lid over a year ago.

>>10022413
>I buy beans from a local roaster
how much do you pay per lb or oz? What's a reasonable price?

>>10022024
Oily garbage. Do not want.

Try Aeropress, you can get like a year's worth of filters for less than a bag of good coffee.

>>10022544
All those coffee bean oils are delicious though. If you filter them all out you might as well just drink instant coffee

>>10022501

I think I pay something like $9 for a 12 oz bag. A quick google search shows thats ~average. They're good beans and make a great crema

>>10022553
t. tryhard who just discovered coffee last tuesday

When you grow up you'll learn there are different roasts, blends, and extraction methods for everything. Espresso roasts are carried a little further and those oils will taste great out of a portafilter with a tremendous amount of pressure coming through the grinds and extraction taking place within a half minute or so. Single origins through a standard pourover or aeropress are lighter and if you let through oils it will wreck any chance at a balanced brew.

Go back to 1994 when french press was some crazy new discovery and everyone was drinking burnt ashes, adults are talking.

>>10022553
>If you filter them all out you might as well just drink instant coffee

>>10022607
>>10022599
sick samefagging bro

>>10022610
It's ok to post hilariously wrong stuff on 4chan with the aim of provoking more knowledgeable people into responding. This is a tried and true method of tricking people into helping you. You're doing it right.

>>10022616

>>10022616
>ultra newfag
>can't figure out what samefagging is
>on the internet
>not dying yet
First and most importantly, KYS. Lurk more, faggot. Never post again and just do the world a kindness by dying a horrible, overwhelmingly excruciating death where the pain itself is what kills you.

>>10022610
Nah, you're just an idiot

>>10022591
that's very reasonable. I'm sure I can find a local roaster in my area so that's something to look forward to.
Just getting started with espresso. Similar class of setup to yours, baratza sette ap 30 and silvia. Will stick a PID in soon.

>>10022629
Like coffee oils? Use a method that doesn't filter them out like french press.
Don't like oils? Use anything with a paper or cotton filter that catches them.

It's that easy, just preference.

>>10022629
It's about picking the preparation for the ingredient. Oil is neither good nor bad, it's how it interacts with the other flavors and how you use it. Think of a coffee bean like you might think of meat. A fatty steak cooked blue rare or made into tartare is disgusting while a lean steak prepared in the same way is delicious. Meanwhile a more fatty steak cooked medium rare is delicious while a lean steak might not be so ideal taken to that temperature.

This is only an analogy, obviously a coffee bean is in most ways not like a steak at all, but the point is you can't just point to one component of a food and pretend it's "good" or "bad".

>>10022643

Nice. I was looking at the Silvia as well, but went with the Gaggia since I found a good deal.

I want to replace the stock frother with the Silvia one sometime - it's a common modification.

>moved to /ck/
Get fucked

>>10022635
You have to be 18+ to post on 4chan

Daily reminder that picking a substandard grinder and you might as well just drink Dunkin Donuts coffee

>>10022676
>but went with the Gaggia since I found a good deal.
exact same case with me but flipped. It's nice owning either really considering popularity and part availability.
>stock frother with Silvia
interesting, did not know the gaggia has a poor wand

>>10022775

It's not a bad wand out of the box and is beginner friendly, but you cannot get a good microfoam from it because of how it's designed, so no latte art which is something I have been messing with

>>10022813
makes sense. if you will eventually get a silvia make sure it's not the screw up 3 hole nozzle version