/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>5895783

>I've been vegan for awhile and have never met these "crazy vegans" you all talk about

They definitely exist, which is why I prefer the phrase "plant-based diet," because it separates people who abstain from meat and dairy from the common view of "vegans," which is hippies and social justice warriors. People like Bill Clinton, Samuel L. Jackson, and even Mike Tyson eat a plant-based diet for example, but the word "vegan" just makes people think of alternative bisexual college-age hipsters. It's also unfortunate that the image sticks to veganism, but people forgive the meat-eating equivalent, which is the obese redneck who can't stop shoving pork in his face and dies of a heart attack in his 40s

"Plant-based diet" is also used more often among medical professionals, such as in this article by the former president of the world's top rated cardiac care hospital

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1520-037X.2001.00538.x/pdf

>compelling data from nutritional studies,
population surveys, and interventional studies support the effectiveness of a plant-based diet and aggressive lipid lowering to arrest, prevent, and selectively reverse heart disease. The single biggest step toward adopting this strategy would be to have United States dietary guidelines support a plant-based diet. An expert committee purged of industrial and
political influence is required to assure that science is the basis for dietary recommendations.

And in this article by the largest healthcare organization in the US

https://www.thepermanentejournal.org/issues/2013/spring/5117-nutrition.html

>Healthy eating may be best achieved with a plant-based diet, which we define as a regimen that encourages whole, plant-based foods and discourages meats, dairy products, and eggs as well as all refined and processed foods.
>Physicians should consider recommending a plant-based diet to all their patients

>>5848772

Maybe he got it from the editor-in-chief of the American Journal of Cardiology

>>5832406

Wasn't even part of the conversation, just want to keep a healthy food through about healthy food.

>>5735534

>Certainly certain doctors

And in that newsgrab, you see the support of a guy who's set to become the President of the American College of Cardiology. Likewise, another Master of the American College of Cardiology who's also been the chief editor of the American Journal of Cardiology for the past 3 decades supports this diet and considers humans biologically herbivores

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/

As well as the former President of the Cleveland Clinic (considered the world's #1 hospital for cardiac care for the last 20 years) using this diet to reverse heart disease (the leading cause of death in America) in patients with arterial health so poor that surgery couldn't even save them

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7500065

>>5710603

If that's what we evolved to eat, we wouldn't get heart disease from it

>>5666216

>Right, because forcing your omnivorous digestive system to subsist on plants is totally healthy

Well, let's see what one of the most respected, accomplished medical doctors in the world has to say

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/

>>Although most of us conduct our lives as omnivores, in that we eat flesh as well as vegetables and fruits, human beings have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores

>if we aren't meant to eat meat, why do we have small masticatory muscles and a short intestinal tract?

Humans don't have short intestinal tracts, and small mast muscles make sense in a species that's adapted to eat primarily fruit and cooked foods. What actually matters though is the observed effects that foods have on us in practice. Meat is clearly unhealthy. Whole plant foods are clearly healthy.

>>5654904

It's from the annual Williamsburg heart disease conference. The guy being quoted is William C. Roberts, the editor of the American Journal of Cardiology, who is considered one of the world leaders in heart health.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_C._Roberts

You're also misquoting him. He considers statins the finest cardiovascular drug, not the best overall drug. While statins aren't ideal, they do save lives and quite quickly, and they're an especially important tool for patients who refuse to change their diet even after being diagnosed with severe artery disease.

>>5631480

>I honestly don't know how to begin broaching the subject of human nutrition with people like you who are already convinced that they have The Secret™

It's weird that you'd call it "the secret" when it's pretty mainstream knowledge that virtually every doctor acknowledges and believes because it's tried and true. You trying to claim that the world's top medical professionals don't know anything about nutrition and therefore you can make up your own nutrition rules and it happens to be the opposite of what everyone else is saying just doesn't fly. You can't create your own science that panders to what you want the science to say and try to put it on equal grounds with actual evidence-based science.

>>5616331

When someone shows you you're wrong, wouldn't it be more rational to listen to what they have to say instead of forming excuses and slinking back to your now debunked beliefs?