Bittersweet Lolita

[Anonymous No.8028148]

Has it totally gone out of fashion? I have seen it decline in popularity, but occasionally a cute coord will pop up. Show me some decent coords!

[Anonymous No.8028151]

i personally hate bittersweet, but ill post the little amount i have to take the thread off!

[Anonymous No.8028156]

>>8028151

[Anonymous No.8028158]

>>8028148
I love the look as much as normal pastels (and is the only way I can suit pastels), but I wish you didnt start the thread with "Bittersweet". A lot of lolita's get bitter about it more than the colour scheme, and with that would be best to leave the thread for dead before it get's shitposted,

[Anonymous No.8028159]

>>8028156

[Anonymous No.8028161]

>>8028159

[Anonymous No.8028165]

>>8028161

[Anonymous No.8028166]

[Anonymous No.8028169]

>>8028158
>lolita's
>get's

Too late, you've already shit up the thread yourself.

[Anonymous No.8028171]

>>8028165

[Anonymous No.8028174]

>>8028171

[Anonymous No.8028182]

>>8028174

[Anonymous No.8028183]

>>8028182

[Anonymous No.8028186]

>>8028183

[Anonymous No.8028187]

[Anonymous No.8028191]

>>8028169
There's a million people who post typos, especially those trying to get their inb4 post before a shitposter.

Why do you need to get personal with a person who likes black colourways?
Why do you forget there are sweet prints with colourways that have black, but jewel toned accents?

By the way, I personally dont care whether a different colour gets a name. It's losers like you who go full autist over getting your hate boners on I don't understand.

[Anonymous No.8028192]

>>8028186

[Anonymous No.8028194]

>>8028192

>>8028191
ahh! no blouse! dont think i like that.

[Anonymous No.8028196]

>>8028194

[Anonymous No.8028200]

>>8028191
Oh
>inb4 reply bait
If that post didnt get your gears turning for once there's no saving you.

[Anonymous No.8028202]

>>8028196

[Anonymous No.8028206]

>>8028194
The gloves look pretty gross too. I guess it's to go with the kind of trampy circus performer look.

[Anonymous No.8028209]

>>8028202
alright, thats all for now.

[Anonymous No.8028210]

[Anonymous No.8028212]

>>8028200
what category does this dress fall under? is it supposed to be sweet? it's neither gothic or classic? help me?

[Anonymous No.8028214]

[Anonymous No.8028218]

[Anonymous No.8028221]

>>8028166
Thank you. This is all just sweet with black as a neutral. It's a term made up for idiots who think black must mean it's gothic.

[Anonymous No.8028228]

[Anonymous No.8028258]

>>8028212
Pink
Cupcake skirt shape
Ribbons on bodice
Twin tail wig
Huge headbow
It's sweet.
That's why all this ultra-categorizing is dumb. It confuses people.

[Anonymous No.8028267]

>>8028221
It's annoying. And I wear sweet in black colorways. And just call it sweet. Bittersweet gives us all that snowflake vibe. Yuk.

[Anonymous No.8028277]

>>8028192
>>8028159
>>8028202
I think the pastel black look is tacky as fuck but these are actually ok. I guess the trick is balancing the sugary prints with comparitavely much more toned down pieces.

[Anonymous No.8028333]

>>8028148
>bittersweet
kek, newfag snowflake

[Anonymous No.8028351]

>>8028148
OP, "bittersweet lolita" does not exist. You're seeking sweet lolita coords that feature black prominently. Bittersweet is a tryhard westerner term coined by girls who wanted to feel More Speshul.

[Anonymous No.8028381]

>>8028148
It has likely declined in popularity from the negative reaction to use of the term 'bittersweet lolita'. Ironic, hm? So stop it or you are helping to kill what you seek.

[Anonymous No.8028759]

>>8028333
>>8028351
>>8028381
WTF guys? Bittersweet has been a style forever. It isn't just sweet because its on the border of gothic.

[Anonymous No.8028765]

>>8028759

[Anonymous No.8028779]

>>8028759
you're an idiot. please go back to tumblr

[Anonymous No.8028781]

>>8028779
what does tumblr have to do with anything

[Anonymous No.8028854]

It's pretty hilarious to me there is this much petty controversy over a stupid nickname. Does anyone seriously care if people give it a nickname?

[Anonymous No.8029007]

>>8028277
I think the nature of the print has a lot to do with it as well. Imo black sweet prints look classier when there is a limited palette, such as black with mostly pastel pink plus white like >>8028202 instead of say milky planet, which is cluttered up with every single pastel color, and lots of tiny details. Anyways, I vibe with your choices, anon.

[Anonymous No.8029030]

I like the black colorways of sweet prints. I really feel like the pattern stands out enough so you can see the detailing better rather than having to squint hard at a sea of pastel. Neutral on calling it bittersweet, though I don't quite get why there is so much animosity over something so small like the naming...

[Anonymous No.8029040]

>>8028759

No, here's the post by the snowflake who invented the term:
http://egl.livejournal.com/12264316.html

The term bittersweet lolita literally did not exist before then, you can search the internet, use the wayback machine, do whatever you want, you will not find a use of the term before this date. Japanese lolitas or brands don't even use the term even today, it's completely foreign to them.

Which brings us to the next part: Brands have been putting out pastels on black for YEARS before this. The name for pastels on black? Sweet lolita. Same genre as pastels on pink or pastels on blue. Only clueless noobs think that something has to be pastels in order to be sweet (hence we get the same discussion every year on AP going gothic for the fall or Halloween season)

Conclusion? "Bittersweet" lolita was invented by a snowflake because she wanted a new name to describe a style that already existed. Hence anyone using that term is usually associated with snowflakery.

[Anonymous No.8029063]

>>8028258
It's actually lavender, not that that negates your point.

Also it has vampires and coffins and shit on it just to confuse things further

[Anonymous No.8029104]

>>8029007
Great observation, anon!

[Anonymous No.8029213]

>>8028381
pretty sure op is a newfag. just ignore it
>>8028759
oh god
>>8028854
well looking at the needlessly comments here, yes. like many, i don't care if this gets an unneeded pet name. won't be a raging faggot over it tho

[Anonymous No.8029283]

>>8028765
There's a pattern here in the Lolita threads of troll posts these past few days (more than usual, il mean). I think someone's bored on holiday break and just going from thread to thread trying to rustle jimmies by pushing known buttons.

[Anonymous No.8029688]

>>8029030
I have only black colourways of sweet currently and it's my favourite more than full pastels, also easier to coordinate.
>kek when people argue about a stupid naming of a certain lolita look
>it's really pointless

[Anonymous No.8031048]

>>8028228
her legs look so strange

[Anonymous No.8031053]

>>8029040
No, she wasn't a snowflake. She saw that it wasnt quite normal sweet and decided it needed a name.

[Anonymous No.8031057]

>>8031053
how the fuck is it not normal sweet? please explain to me these differences.

[Anonymous No.8031100]

>>8031057
Sweet is all about cutesy bright stuff, like pinks and purples. It takes some of the cute elements but puts them on black, making it more dark and gothic. It combines creepy dark things with bright sweet things.

[Anonymous No.8031103]

>>8031100
>black
>making it more dark and gothic
It's not an automatic thing

[Anonymous No.8031109]

>>8031103
Yeah, it is. Would you be afraid in a haunted house with all the lights on? Of course not!
And gothic lolita is black with other colors, just not pastels. When you replace the other colors in gothic with pastels, then its not goth or sweet. its bittersweet.

[Anonymous No.8031123]

>>8029040
If anyone knew what the person who coined the term "bittersweet" looked like, they would all agree that the term was made by a special snowflake and not take them seriously. I never knew if that person really was a she or he but damn she was one ugly person.

[Anonymous No.8031136]

>>8031123
Aw, shit. I found a deviantart, and some selfies. Ew. And some bondage stuff but I can't see it because no account.
Couldn't find any lolita coords though.

[Anonymous No.8031169]

>>8028161
That wig is tacky as fuck, half her accessories don't match the print and what the fuck is up with her blush?

[Anonymous No.8031171]

>>8031103
bawwwww

[Anonymous No.8031176]

>>8031109
Color is not the only thing that determines a style.

[Anonymous No.8031181]

>>8031109
so if you saw a dress in all pink and purple, would you be able to call it classic lolta because color doesn't mater?

[Anonymous No.8031183]

>>8031181
meant for>>8031176

[Anonymous No.8031184]

>>8031109
I'm wearing a black jumper and black jeans right now. And black socks! Can't believe how gothic I am. Scuse me, I have to go shit out a few bats

[Anonymous No.8031193]

>>8031181
Soft pink and lavender are almost as common as sweet as in classic. Bad point.

[Anonymous No.8031195]

>>8028194
Why does homegirl have Toys R Us on her head

[Anonymous No.8031196]

>>8031193
but not pastel there arent all pastel classic outfit dumbass

[Anonymous No.8031197]

>>8031181
Are you trying to imply that color is the only thing that matters? There are black classic dresses too, those aren't bitterclassic. Are white dresses in goth supposed to be called something else? Snow goth? Powder goth? No, that's stupid as fuck and so is the term bittersweet.

Styles are defined by their overall look, sweet is sweet because it has the theme.

>cute shit everywhere
>overly princessy
>usually childish or sweet motifs
>fluffy bow covered bullshit

It can be black, white, brown, puke green whatever. It's only when the style crosses into more mature territory that it crosses the styles, and even then, it's all about how you coord it.

The bottom line is, a black colorway is no different than a pink or mint colorway in design, motif or style, and if you think 'being black' makes it different then you need to explain how other than 'it's black'. Because if two coords can be the same down to the accessories the color doesn't change the style you fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.8031203]

>>8031197
what about pastel goth and creepy cute

[Anonymous No.8031213]

>>8031176
Say that to Kuro, Shiro and all the other billion color based terms that japanese Lolitas use for their styles.

[Anonymous No.8031215]

>>8031203
That's not lolita tho.

[Anonymous No.8031217]

>>8031203
Pastel goth is more about combining gothic dresses and accesories with pastel cloured things and creepy cute is about having clothes with "creepy" shit such as eyes/bones/horns etc in a cute style. It's not the same as having cute shit in a obviously sweet dress which happens to be black.

[Anonymous No.8031218]

>>8031203
What about them? If I'm taking them seriously(which is difficult) their names make sense and are right on the fucking nose because tumblrtards are too unoriginal to come up with good names.

Pastel goth is only called that to set it apart from things like bubblegoth which has a very similar aesthetic. Creepy cute is even more self explanatory.

See, I'm going to give you an example.

In creepy cute, you have to utilize a 'kawaii' thing and then turn it weird with accessories. You can take an AP dress and use it in that way. Even though the dress is sweet, the accessories aren't really, so yea, it needs a different name, or it can have one rather.

What you're trying to say is that if someone has a full set of milky berry in white, and black, the coord is somehow different and needs a different name. But that's just not true. It would be the same as saying a white gothic coord that is exactly the same as a black gothic coord needs to be called something else.

Why? There is no differentiation. None at all. 'Bittersweet" only refers to the black colorways of dresses, not worn any particular way, not coorded any differently, just the background color and no, that's not a defining factor. It's stupid.

[Anonymous No.8031219]

>>8031196
Of course ther are, are you stupid ? Full pastel pink outfits are far from being uncommon in classic, even though lavender is commonly found mostly in florals.

[Anonymous No.8031222]

>>8031213
Those aren't styles, they're themes. And they were coined back when dresses were almost entirely made in black and white and pink and white.

[Cringe worthy stock images No.8032059]

>>8031100
Yeah I don't think you quite understand hon. Black doesn't automatically mean gothic. I think maybe to understand you should ignore colours you associate with styles and work from the motifs and cuts.

Sweet, gothic, classic are all very broad sub themes of Lolita, and just as you can wear a white JSK in a gothic co-ord, you can wear a black JSK in a sweet co-ord.

There is no need to give black with cute themes its own title, since it is just sweet lolita in a black colour-way. Other substyles have obvious differences that set them apart, for example; sailor, has different cuts, collars, trimms, accessories and motifs to standard sweet. Similarly, country lolita, (argued as sort of half way between classic and sweet, but mostly sweet) uses different cuts, motifs, accessories, fabrics and even laces (its more common to see eyelet laces in this style, even some crocheted items).

As a descriptor, I think bittersweet can be an accurate term, but not as a sub-style. The closest thing that exists to bittersweet, currently, is creepy cute. Creepy cute, if it gained a more widespread following would indeed be a substyle of sweet-lolita as there are differences in the style in regard to generic sweet. Although it shares a similar colour palette and fabric selection to standard sweet the accessories and motifs are vastly different, defining it as its own particular style.

TD:LR Substyles are defined by their obvious differences to their “parent” styles I.e sweet, gothic, classic.. “Bittersweet” as it is popularly described is just a sweet dress in a black colour-way, it has no stylistic differences to sweet in; cut, construction, motif, trimm, accessories, lace or fabrics etc. It is not a substyle of sweet.

[Anonymous No.8032086]

ugh I can't stand elitists like you guys seriously
you think your all high and mighty because you have brand
like stop omfg

[Anonymous No.8032089]

>>8031213
jfc kuro, shiro, etc. can be gothic or sweet or etc. depending on its thematic elements/the coord itself. it's not subcategory of lolita

[Anonymous No.8032098]

>>8028148
sweet lolita that features predominately black tones can only look good if the colors besides black pop, usage of bolder reds and blues appear on the few black ap dresses i enjoy, i absolutely hate the way black washes out pastel colors and makes them all look white almost, it is tacky and ugly and upsetting that people spend brand bucks to look like itas

[Anonymous No.8032103]

>>8028159
i usually really like her, and although she looks better than most of the people who r posted here, this is still tacky// visually unappealing

[Anonymous No.8032243]

[Anonymous No.8032491]

>>8029040
Ero is also foreign to them. Do you agree it also doesn't exist?

[Anonymous No.8032625]

>>8032491
kek what is excentrique lol, japan made ero lolita newfag

stop being so fuckin salty about yr black sweet lolita not being its own damn genre

[Anonymous No.8032662]

>>8032491
Ero came about from a GLB iirc. It was coined in Japan before it moved over to the west (where almost everyone who tried it, fails at it; but I digress).

Look. Just stop fighting with everyone and take in what people are saying. You want a "bittersweet" to be a substyle- but it can't be because above all, it is still sweet. You can't have a substyle within a substyle. You CAN have motifs with the print, bag, hair, etc. and dress up the outfit with said motif in mind.

>shitty example coord coming up
>black Holy Lantern
>dress has tons of crosses
>go for more gothic look with holy motifs such as crosses and maybe even a coffin bag
>go for it

[Anonymous No.8032671]

>>8032662
that coord would still look better than literally any coord in this thread, and itd be black sweet

[Anonymous No.8032964]

>>8032625
I'm not salty. I don't even wear Lolita kek
>>8032662
Okay

[Anonymous No.8034791]

>>8028221
But you occasionally get classic prints in black or gothic prints in pastel too

[Anonymous No.8034811]

>>8034791
you get gothic prints in white sometimes i think u r confused plz show me a pastel gothic dress that isnt like baby's cross dress or fucking celestial

[Anonymous No.8034814]

>>8032964
>>8032964
>doesnt wear lolita
>trying to talk out yr ass over lolitas
lel

[Anonymous No.8037834]

I think bittersweet is a cute term for black sweet dresses because some of the clothes/accessories you have to buy to match cannot typically suit the rest of a sweet wardrobe. Since it requires a specific color that generally clashes with other dresses/looks in the Sweet category, I see no harm in it having a separate name especially of a Lolita has many bittersweet dresses and often dresses that way, but still has typical sweet dresses in her wardrobe. (She might like to say "I am generally bittersweet, but I also wear sweet and classic," or whathaveyou, which gets the point across that black sweet dresses are a big interest of hers.)

Also I see bittersweet as a subcategory of sweet, kind of like OTT sweet being a subcategory of sweet. There are many subcategories already. In fact I'm surprised more popular ones like chocosweet haven't become a thing yet.

[Anonymous No.8038557]

>>8037834
>subcategories
>of a subcatergory
>oh honey, no

"Chocosweet" would be a motif that someone has. Not a subcategory. You can't make chocolate it's own category. Just like you can't make black-sweet dresses it's own category. Both are parts of sweet; they just have different motifs.

OTT isn't a subcategory either- that's how you want to style yourself that day. Over-the-top. You can't have OTT as a subcategory; just because it was a trend. OTT happens in each style (classic, gothic, and sweet), so labeling it as a subcategory is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.8038688]

ITT: LABELS!!!!!

[Anonymous No.8039050]

I think bittersweet is a thematic thing as well as being a black colorway. I see it as not just being any old sweet print in black, but as the lolita counterpart of pastelgoth with more mature (for sweet) or gothic motifs (like your stereotypical bats and crosses) with accents primarily in lavender, pink, white and mint.

Really surprised how much I hate SNT in black considering I like everything in it and Angel of Music has a similar scheme.

[Anonymous No.8040012]

>>8028159
Oh, this is the nicest one so far. The others have way too much black in them, it just drains all the colour from the pastel tones and makes it look like they just walked out of a tim burton movie.