Lolita Pet Peeves

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Lolita Pet Peeves Anonymous Sun Jul 21 19:58:44 2013 No.6987647 [Reply] [Original]

Old thread autosaging
Let's keep on going.

I have 2.
1) Mismatched legwear.
2) When people post dresses for sale, but still wear them afterwards without updating the proof pictures.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 20:08:13 2013 No.6987679 >>6987647 Lolitas who feel the need to post about social justice issues on their blogs. (read: Cadney, what perfect coordination but I just can't follow her because of all that bullshit)

Anonymous Sun Jul 21 20:08:43 2013 No.6987675
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>>6987647
this post...

been "into" lolita for 6 years
has things from Milanoo?

it might be more that I was thinking oh 6 years? Really? They must have some nice things then I get that...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 20:09:43 2013 No.6987680 "Don't like it? Don't buy it!"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 20:10:43 2013 No.6987684 >>6987679 This is why I hate the lolita migration to Tumblr. There's so much irrelevant bullshit to wade through to get to outfits and Tumblr Savior can only do so much.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 20:11:14 2013 No.6987688 People who selfpost on 4chan and then whine about being called fat/ugly etc. It's not like we're known for being nice or anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 20:19:13 2013 No.6987709 When lolitas think Lolita-tips gives good advice for anything other than very basic beginner questions

Anonymous Sun Jul 21 20:21:13 2013 No.6987719

>>6987647
1. Writing a review, but only 'tried on' the garment.
You need to wear it the whole day or at least a few hours before you notice all the details. Maybe just wearing it for 10 minutes it's fine, but after an hour or so the sleeves cut into your arm or something.

2. Makes a review post on EGL. Oh here's my review it's on my BLOG!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 20:22:13 2013 No.6987724 >>6987679 >>6987684 >wah how dare people post anything other than lolita on their personal blog!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 20:45:44 2013 No.6987772 >>6987688 Is this about that girl in the draw thread?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 20:48:44 2013 No.6987779 >>6987724 SJW detected Are you being triggered?

Anonymous Sun Jul 21 21:25:43 2013 No.6987854

white bitches who act like tightwads about THE RURUS and then worship asian lolitas who break said rurus.
say what you mean and mean what you say.
inb4 nonwhite ita i'm pale as fuck and my only ita tendency has been wearing black shoes with nonpastel sweet but hypocritical bitches still rub me the wrong way.

Anonymous Sun Jul 21 21:27:43 2013 No.6987857

>>6987724
That's not what I'm saying at all though? I want them to have their personal blogs and post whatever they want, but I also wish that they would post in d_l and egl as well. I'm complaining that they stopped posting in lolita circles in lieu of their personal blog instead of in addition to.

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Anonymous Sun Jul 21 21:57:14 2013 No.6987904

>>6987854
No one ever said you can't wear what you want. However, if people think it looks like shit be prepared to get called on it.
Besides, if you're this ass ravaged over the fact that itas get called out for being ita, then I highly doubt the only ~ita tendency~ you have is wearing black shoes with non pastel sweet.

Anonymous Sun Jul 21 23:15:45 2013 No.6987983

>>6987904
yeah but "ita threads" these days are like 40% kind-of-off coords.
people don't even have to look truly terrible to get posted anymore.
I also find asian asshole-kissing obnoxious.
this is a peeve thread just fuck off and let me be peeved, jesus.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 23:20:45 2013 No.6987992 >>6987904 >itas get called out for being itas >except the asian itas who get praised for creativitu

Anonymous Sun Jul 21 23:27:45 2013 No.6988005

tumblr spawned a bunch of wanna-be BtB blogs
i avoid them but it still comes across my dash and its stuff that is literally just personal vendetta shit
which isnt cool but even if it were its boring to read because it's irrelevant posts by irrelevant people
i just want a confessions blog that doesnt do that ):

uhhh pet peeve in terms of coords is anything "ott" being considered "classic" or "casual" which is dumb and i swear its all newbies that enforce that shit

Anonymous Sun Jul 21 23:29:45 2013 No.6988011

>>6987983

Someone's awfully butthurt they got posted.

And as far as I can see, it's really only the Japanese models and top deity tier Asians who get worshipped. I see a lot of Asians on tumblr who have such meh coords and are treated as such. And let's not get started on pixie late drama.

Anonymous Sun Jul 21 23:35:46 2013 No.6988023

cgl has always been like this: "creative" coords get bashed so people don't like to try new things, then the cookie cutter coords get bashed for being too boring. The few voices that chime in to say they like it are ignored or called a whitenight/person in photo.

Anonymous Sun Jul 21 23:41:45 2013 No.6988032

>>6988011
I have never posted a picture online.
I have (albeit medicated)OCD so while trying to organize some reasonable rules for myself I feel boxed in by all this shit. I dress well according to western standards but i wish i could deviate just once from the rules to see what it feels like but every time i try i hate myself for breaking that etched-into-the-brain "you can't experiment unless you're asian" preconcieved rule I just can't shake. I had to get multiple opinions before deciding black shoes weren't entirely henious. Yes i am scared. yes feeling scared makes me angry. I think I have a right to feel both.
Satisfied?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 23:42:15 2013 No.6988036 >>6988032 weren't black and brown shoes really popular and actually a staple for lolita earlier on? i feel like it was in the mid 2000s that the matchy-matchy shoes and wigs and stuff really came in

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 23:42:15 2013 No.6988037 Ooh, old thread link?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 23:47:15 2013 No.6988056 >>6988005 I can tell you come from Tumblr. But you're not there now. Please either communicate like a human being or leave.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 23:52:16 2013 No.6988070 File: 86 KB, 500x334, kirktribble.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6988056

Anonymous Sun Jul 21 23:53:16 2013 No.6988069

>>6988023
By "creative" do you mean shit? Extremes are never good, getting too outlandish in lolita can be a bad thing, especially if you pick clashing colors or patterns. However, the opposite is also true if you stick to something too simple, or too cookie-cutter like you said.

Most of the time "creative" coords look like shit because the person goes too far or adds too much.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 23:57:15 2013 No.6988088 >>6988069 Bouncing off of this post to mention; themed lolita I dunno if I just haven't seen any yet or if there just...aren't good examples of it. Bringing in colors or accessories (like a HP scarf) could work but actual cosplay props...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:16:15 2013 No.6988142 >>6988070 still from tumblr.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:18:15 2013 No.6988147 >>6988142 yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:24:45 2013 No.6988162 >>6988032 So really you're just projecting? Stop shitting up threads with your own mindgames.

Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:26:15 2013 No.6988169

I think you should know lolita's basics and have a few decent coords to then try to be creative. There's room for trying new things, just be shure it looks good and it doesn't look like ita garbage (cheap lace, cheap fabric, no blouse, no hygiene, etc.).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:26:45 2013 No.6988168 I don't care how nice your outfit looks, if you are holding out your dress because you don't have a petti when the dress needs one then I automatically dislike it. Not only did you not use a petticoat you are trying to pretend you did.

>>	Hailbop !!cZ3Y736hPOQ Mon Jul 22 00:27:16 2013 No.6988171 >>6988142 Like 4chan is any better

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:29:46 2013 No.6988174 Clashing colors. Oh god how much I hate clashing colors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:32:15 2013 No.6988177 >>6988171 Did anyone say anything about it being better? No, they said 4chan is different from tumblr, and implied tumblrspeak doesn't fly here. Learn to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:32:45 2013 No.6988178 >>6988174 Probably unpopular opinion but i can't stand mintxpink coords for this reason...but they seem so popular.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:35:45 2013 No.6988182 >>6988162 Shut the fuck up. Let me bitch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:36:45 2013 No.6988185 >>6988162 ocd=/=mindgames

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:36:45 2013 No.6988187 >>6988182 Touchy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:37:15 2013 No.6988189 >>6988187 Cunt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:40:45 2013 No.6988194 File: 1.36 MB, 960x540, 1373759097468.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6988189 Go take your medication hon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:42:15 2013 No.6988199 >>6988194 nah, my ocd doesn't affect my ability to spot a raging bitch when I see one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:45:15 2013 No.6988203 >>6988199 Oh did you happen to look in the mirror? And I was implying your medication would help you calm the fuck down, because you really need to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:45:15 2013 No.6988206 sweats nervously i don't like extreme headwear please dont hurt me fighting anons

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:48:45 2013 No.6988212 >>6988206 (Non-fighting anon) Like...bonnets? Or certain wig styles? I honestly don't know what's considered extreme anymore.

Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:53:15 2013 No.6988219

When a not-white, multicolored piece such as a print is just worn with a plain white/offwhite blouse and tights. It's the bottom of the barrel, most lazy way you can coord something with a lot of colors to pull from; it doesn't bug me much with say, a solid non-print dress like a plain pink JSK (whether it has white trim or not), but with prints this drives me crazy.

For some reason, however, it doesn't bother me as often with black.

Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:53:45 2013 No.6988221

>>6988203
I just don't like being attacked in a peeve thread.
Really. Sometimes you just need to get something off your chest and I really, really don't appreciate being told my disorder is me playing a mindgame. I have to engage in an inevitable "mindgame" every day and having the idea reinforced that i'm a piece of shit for wanting to experiment makes it suck that much more. Sorry. I needed to vent.
Just leave me be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:54:45 2013 No.6988223 >>6988212 I mean cakes and OTT decorations

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:55:15 2013 No.6988224 >>6988221 Gurl I have OCD too, having it IS playing mindgames with yourself, it's just having a medically explained reason for it. Quit kidding yourself. sage for offtopic shitting up the thread

Anonymous Mon Jul 22 00:58:46 2013 No.6988228

>>6988221
But posting on-topic in a thread does not dismiss you from criticism. Also I said you were projecting, I didn't say you were a piece of shit or anything, that's all in your own head.

As a previous anon said, not all creativity is frowned upon in lolita, and from your posts I'm inclined to believe a lot of the criticism comes from yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 01:01:15 2013 No.6988232 >>6988206 >>6988221 >anon@aol.com >please dont hurt me fighting anons >one of the fighting anons >mindgames

Anonymous Mon Jul 22 01:02:15 2013 No.6988233

>Women older than mid-30s (or younger if they have older-looking faces) wearing sweet
Gothic and classic are much more forgiving on mature faces but those pink pastry prints make you look like an ageplayer.
>Not wearing socks or stockings that at least reach your knees
No problem seeing the knees, but when your whole leg is showing it makes the skirt look that much shorter
>Garterbelts with sweet lolita
>Sunburnt lolis
Being super pale, I suffer from this a lot. But when I'm sunburt I just don't wear lolita that day. You can go without until your skin heals and you'll look so much better for it!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 08:43:45 2013 No.6988584 >>6988142 I don't understand the Tumblr hate. A lot of people on tumblr are adults who spent their teenage years on 4chan. Anyway, who says that you can't go on 2 websites at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 08:58:15 2013 No.6988596 >>6988584 thank you, jesus fucking christ. you can go to both websites and not be raging tard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 09:11:16 2013 No.6988602 >>6988005 Don't use emotes in the future. I have no problem with people using tumblr, but if you use a letter face, you're probably not a very clever underager.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 09:20:45 2013 No.6988605 >>6988221 Why, why, why even bother bringing it up? Having OCD does not make you a special snowflake, you don't need to announce it. Chill out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 09:44:45 2013 No.6988615 >>6987719 This! Whenever I review an item, I try wearing it for a month before I review it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 10:15:46 2013 No.6988648 i think split twintail wigs look really weird.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 10:21:45 2013 No.6988656 >>6988648 also petticoats that deflate faster than a slashed balloon my sadness has no bounds

Anonymous Mon Jul 22 10:22:15 2013 No.6988658

>>6988648
I don't like wigs with lolita.

Not necessarily the wigs, it's usually the fault of the wearer. I think twintail wigs and most pastel colored wigs look tacky. Also, I see so many lolitas in ratty wigs. I know it's not your hair, but you still need to clean it and comb it.

Girls seem to buy wig styles that are popular but don't fit their face shapes, too. Yeah, that wig looked great on Choke, but it is not flattering on you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 10:29:45 2013 No.6988664 1. Trying to lolita isn't cosplay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 10:32:46 2013 No.6988669 File: 186 KB, 700x700, 1368615770399.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6988664 0/10

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 10:34:45 2013 No.6988672 >>6988602 Hello there, summer buddy! For the record, we actually don't mind shit like ):. It's when you get into the xD >____> :c every other sentence that we have a problem. /cgl/ isn't a virulent hate machine; try harder to fit in!

Anonymous Mon Jul 22 10:41:46 2013 No.6988677

this is sort of a personal thing
i know nosebleed are "kawaii" and all but i absolutely HATE getting them in lolita
you're basically fucked if you don't have tissue paper or something on hand
nosebleed stop being kawaii after about the first 2 seconds lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 10:46:45 2013 No.6988682 >>6988677 Seriously, everyone thinks nosebleeds are cool because of creepy-chan or Alison or whatever the fuck her name was on Top Model. Try waking up with your pillow drenched in blood a couple times a month. That shit is NOT cute.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 10:50:15 2013 No.6988686 >>6988682 crusty blood face so kawaii uguu~

Anonymous Mon Jul 22 10:57:45 2013 No.6988693

>>6988658
I'm not sure how some people get really ratty wigs. I have mostly long wigs and a couple of *gasp* twintails. (I don't mind them, honestly. I think they work best with OTT sweet styles, which I do often). Most of them have been worn several times. I've seen some, even on cosplayers that look extremely ratty by the end of the day. I wonder what they're doing in their wigs? When I'm at a convention, I will literally wear a wig from about 8am until 12pm, sometimes later and they usually just need a little finger combing, or at worse-case a spray or two of fabric softener when I get home. This was also the case with cosplay. I've used waist-length long wigs and got years of use from them.

I personally prefer wigs because my natural hair is super-fine, thin, and curly. I also have a thinning part so my bangs never look right. I wish I could rock the natural hair, but it quickly loses it's style and falls flat or frizzes out after a slight breeze, or an ounce of humidity.

Anonymous Mon Jul 22 19:15:19 2013 No.6989506

>>6988596
I (and probably most people) don't have a problem with others using Tumblr; it's a fun little blogging platform but it has its own distinct and terribly obnoxious culture and bringing that culture with you where it doesn't belong is really, really annoying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 20:43:50 2013 No.6989726 >>6988233 how would you know if someone is wearing a garter belt?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 20:51:49 2013 No.6989745 >>6989726 i think she means super-obvious garterbelts

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 21:00:20 2013 No.6989765 >>6989726 like the creepyeha crap, I assume?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 21:20:20 2013 No.6989812 >>6988693 well in some cases it's the quality of the wig people get.

Anonymous Mon Jul 22 22:01:19 2013 No.6989899

>>6987675

They sold some Infanta stuff once. I took a risk and got my JSK there because it was cheaper that way, thankfully for me it came with the tags on it and all was fine, but I'd never shop there again knowing the risk and how shitty they are. Also I know how badly I would get chewed out ever mentioning I shopped there once, too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 22:06:20 2013 No.6989911 >>6987866 Probably because the girls on the right are actually wearing wigs/have styled their hair and are wearing makeup, and have actually thought about their outfits, which most girls who put on Converse and studded belts fail to do.

Anonymous Mon Jul 22 22:08:19 2013 No.6989920

>>6988693

My first wig (for cosplay when I didn't know how to get wigs back then) was this beautiful turquoise wig - that tangled if you looked at it the wrong way. I tried everything, including lathering it in fabric softener and hairspraying the fuck out of it (the former probably did worse things to it). Finally, I gave up on it when it started shedding like crazy.

Later on I get a wig from taobao, and holy shit, what a difference. It doesn't tangle at all, and when it does, I just comb it gently with a wide toothed comb and all the tangles come out. The strands are coarser, but I think it helps quite a bit with not tangling. I'm overall just thrilled with it, and I just bought two more wigs from that shop.

So yeah, quality counts a lot.

Anonymous Mon Jul 22 22:09:19 2013 No.6989922

>>6989812
I donno, I've gotten some cheap wigs before. I just think people are doing some kind of drastic head banging, moshing, and possibly using their wigs as bar mops, because holy hell do you even know what a comb is?

Back in the day, I used to use halloween wigs (before anyone in the cosplay community knew what kanekalon was) and I used them for a few years, and they remained in decent shape. But on the other hand, I've heard of them melting on people's heads, so IDK.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 22:10:49 2013 No.6989928 File: 483 KB, 600x896, doll_ii_by_chokelate-d35pdbv.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I just really do not like the style of overly platformed shoes. They ruin an outfit for me sometimes. Picture related.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 10:04:16 2013 No.6990941 >>6989928 Anything that involves choke is instantly ruined.

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 10:36:45 2013 No.6990967

>>6988602
same anon with emote face; will keep that in mind but I am definitely in my 20s hahaha

RE: on-topic:
guro-lolita
like the entireeee style makes me cringe
But I think what makes it worse is when I've seen brand dresses ruined--sandpapered, "blood" stained, cut up...ow my heart
I mean ok do it to bodyline I guess but...brand?

thankfully I don't see guro too often unless it's a photoshoot or something

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 10:45:15 2013 No.6990981 >>6989928 I love high heels and stompy platforms. But I'm short and need all the help I can get to keep from looking dumpy. On topic I hate seeing sales posts with one or two items, then see that seller post another two items a week later.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 10:46:15 2013 No.6990983 - Pastel split wigs with non-sweet ott outfits - Tumblr-fags who asskiss ita coords just because a POC or "curvy" girl is wearing it

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 10:54:15 2013 No.6990995

All these hypocrite bitches.
"My hair sucks it's so thin and it can't hold a curl so I love wigs! I love wigs because you can be so creative with them, you can have all kinds of hairstyles and I love switching between them!"

Then they have the same twin-tail wig with the clip ins in several different colours, and that's it. How fucking creative.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 11:02:15 2013 No.6991006 ballet flats and/or solid black or white tights. It makes me so sad when I see an otherwise nice coord and then they do this. It's like they gave up from the knees down.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 11:11:15 2013 No.6991011 >>6990983 curvy girl here I hate that, because its real difficult to get honest critique...it's like getting pity-support, and they're all too scared of ~sjw~ to do anything but rave about a bad coord. Actually insulting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 11:14:15 2013 No.6991014 >>6991006 Sometimes printed or detailed tights/socks will distract from an already busy dress or outfit though, can we agree on that? There is a time and place for solid-colored tights. Ballet flats are the devil though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 11:21:46 2013 No.6991018 >>6991014 I agree on the printed tights/ socks sometimes. I just think there are better options most of the time besides plain black or white. Lace tights or something with a little texture would be better imo.

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 11:30:15 2013 No.6991026
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Pic related. Honestly, it's annoying when girls brag about their closet. I don't mean taking pictures of coords and dress, I mean when girls make WTB posts in the comm sales and the comments go something like this:
>oh I have this dress!
>really? okay how much are you selling it for?
>oh no I was just saying I have it I'm not selling
That's just plain rude. You're allowed to be proud of your clothes and take pictures (that's what the wardrobe post is for) but there's a fine line between being proud and showing off.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 11:33:45 2013 No.6991029 >>6991026 People actually do this? Ugh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 11:35:45 2013 No.6991030 >>6990983 you dont know how much i rage when i see a bad coord or cosplay on my dash gets praise just cuz the person was fat or black. I'm black too, but if my outfit was bad tell me, dont give false praise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 11:39:46 2013 No.6991039 >>6991029 yes, its so sad, i like showing off my clothes but i do it in my own space never someone elses

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 11:49:16 2013 No.6991048 >>6990983 thissss I'm really tired of seeing shitty photos taken of shitty coords on my dash just because everybody reblogged it just because the wearer is black

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 12:01:15 2013 No.6991063 >>6991018 But textured tights and a printed/textured dress can look too busy too. Solid white tights are gorgeous with busy prints to tone them down.

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 12:06:15 2013 No.6991080

>>6991006
If it's sweet or OTT, yeah the solid tights/socks are a cop-out.
For classic/country/gothic, I feel like white/off-white/black/other solid colors (or very subtle patterns like knit tights, etc) are better than the bold prints...

...but then the shoes need to be perfect for the coord because they'll _really_ stand out. Are ballet flats really a thing? I'm not surprised, but I've never seen them.

Oh and I hate flat teaparties. Kitten heels, at least...

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 12:25:15 2013 No.6991116

I think someone may have mentioned this or something similar in the other thread, but lolitas who constantly make and post gifs of themselves.
I sort of feel like if somebody is inspired by you or a fan of yours, it's really cool and sweet if they make a gif of you because they genuinely like you and/or the content of whatever videos you may have uploaded. But it just seems to me like if you're already making them yourself on a regular basis, it just kind of defeats the purpose and makes you seem really full of yourself.

It's not necessarily bad, it just rubs me the wrong way a bit. It almost seems to me like the Tumblr equivalent of uploading thousands of selfies to Facebook. Nobody needs to see that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 15:14:34 2013 No.6991279 >>6991116 this so fucking hard FANS do it- ok YOU do it- no.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 15:36:04 2013 No.6991369 >>6991080 >are ballet flats really a thing? Nah. I usually see tea parties or similar style of shoes when it comes to flat heeled shoes. Most lolitas have agreed that ballet flats looks really bad with the fashion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 15:36:05 2013 No.6991373 >>6991063 I agree. Likewise, I think that solid dresses look great with decorated legwear.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 15:43:05 2013 No.6991396 >>6991373 This, so much. I've bought a lot of printed tights lately but the only coords I like them with are with solid pieces.

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:07:04 2013 No.6991477

This is more of a personal preference/opinion than anything- but "kawaii" 80's shit and sweet lolitas.

I get that it's supposed to be playful and cutesy, but the majority of 80's crap (toys, accessories, clothing, etc.) is both completely awful and completely unremarkable at once.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:11:05 2013 No.6991491 >>6991477 You can blame fairy kei influence for that one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:37:34 2013 No.6991588 When girls can't freaking think for themselves. I'm looking at you 'I'm going to Disney what do?' girl. For fucks sake, just go.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:51:34 2013 No.6991640 >>6990941 False. Choke can do no wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 16:56:04 2013 No.6991665 >>6991640 >no wrong um

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:14:34 2013 No.6991700

>>6988672
No, actually most of us mind emotes of any kind here.

>>6991116
I think .gifs of people just moving in a "quirky" or "cute" way in general is unappealing and I don't see why people like them at all. Different strokes, I guess, but they're annoying.

OT but I can't wait until the word "selfie" goes away, ugh.

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:32:34 2013 No.6991744

I've said it once before, but i'll say it again.
Creepy cute/Pastel goth in lolita.
It's ALWAYS done the same exact way with the same dresses in the same colourways and the same skeleton tights with the same Kreepsville 666 knock off accessories and the same garish split twin tail curly nightmare wigs.

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:49:34 2013 No.6991779

This is more a general peeve, but it applies to Lolita too. It's when people talk about how tiny the clothes are. No, they're not tiny if you're not fat or tall. I realise how you can't do anything about your height, but unless you have the mentality of a tumblr SJW or are part of the small population that has medical reasons, there is definitely something you can do about your weight.

I'm also sick of people complaining that they're 'too busty' or 'too curvy', and that's why they can't fit some clothes. You're right, it can't possibly have anything to do with the fact that your BMI is 30 due to fat, not muscle.

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 17:57:34 2013 No.6991797

Lolitas with yellow teeth.

Crooked teeth don't bother me so much. Braces are expensive and painful and some crooked or gap teeth can be cute.
But yellow teeth is just gross. Brush your teeth and bleach every few months or something. I know one of the big things in lolita is tea, but dear lord.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:04:35 2013 No.6991815 >>6991797 Yellow =/= they don't brush their teeth. And bleaching can be dangerous as fuck for some people, especially if they have sensitive gums or teeth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:27:05 2013 No.6991856 >>6991797 Whitening products are often incredibly dangerous for your teeth. They work by dissolving the enamel of your teeth. Teeth are naturally more yellowish than white.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:28:04 2013 No.6991860 >>6991856 more like ivory not yellow.... yellow is disgusting

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:30:04 2013 No.6991863 >>6991860 Exactly, I'm not talking slight naturally yellowing, I mean pack-a-day butter yellow. I mostly see it on itas, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:33:34 2013 No.6991872 >>6991860 So someone who ends up with yellow teeth, whether it's because they had bad habits growing up or just stain-prone teeth, should expose their teeth and gums to chemicals that could fuck them up?

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 18:39:35 2013 No.6991882

Off topic, but in regards to the teeth whitening thing, activated charcoal is supposed to work really well without damaging your enamel. Supposedly it bonds with the tannins/other staining substances and rinses them away. You're not supposed to brush with it though just make a paste to rinse/soak your teeth in for a few minutes. I haven't tried this though since I still have braces for a few more months.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 23:41:07 2013 No.6992428 peeve: people posting on EGL every time they go on a trip http://egl.livejournal.com/19305009.html "What do I do at Disneyland??" come on

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 23:46:07 2013 No.6992435 >>6992428 What bothers me is that they're implying that going as a lolita is any different from going dressed normally.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 23:53:36 2013 No.6992445 >>6992435 That's because disney is known to kick out people who look costumed.

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 23:53:36 2013 No.6992447

>>6991860
>>6991863
I have teeth very yellow (not smoker tier, though) and have had since my milk teeth. Their enamel is also incredibly fragile. I find it a bit sad when people automatically attribute that to poor dental hygiene.

I brush my teeth, I don't smoke, drink coffe or tea. They are still yellow as fuck and the whitening shit might damage them.

Shit sucks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 00:13:08 2013 No.6992498 >>6991779 You're forgetting about people who legitimately have a large frame. Just saying.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 00:22:06 2013 No.6992517 >>6992498 This. And who are born with large breasts. I'm neither of these, but shit man, they exist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 00:29:36 2013 No.6992529 File: 1.87 MB, 300x413, 1374545458869.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6992498 >Naturally large frame Delusional

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 00:37:07 2013 No.6992547

>>6992498
Yeah, I'm quite thin but I've had things not fit because I'm tall and it messes up the fit even though my measurements are well within the acceptable range. It doesn't matter how small my waist is if the waist of the dress ends up around my ribs.
People only think of horizontal measurements (b/w/h), but the overall proportions of the clothes are designed for shorter, smaller people. Things like the bodice length, bust height, sleeve length, shoulder width, etc, can also contribute to things being too small. It's not all about how skinny or fat you are.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 00:41:36 2013 No.6992556 >>6991779 >>6992547 My mom had the issue of her shoulders being too broad. She had to go up a shirt size just to have things fit.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 01:18:36 2013 No.6992644

>>6992529
Not always.

I'm currently a little bit overweight and my goal weight is about 20lbs less than I am now, which puts me at a good healthy weight for my height. That's only roughly a 2-3 inch difference from where I am now, meaning a 36" bust and a 32" band measurement at the most, but despite losing a ton of weight, I still have a DD cup. I have broad shoulders and a wide ribcage. I've had difficulty with blouses. Nothing sits near my natural waist, I have to wear a corset to get a proper shape (and that adds to my measurements). I could get fit as hell and still have these issues.

I'll be forever stuck in full back shirring no matter what I do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 01:19:06 2013 No.6992648 >>6992644 Don't listen to them they are delusional.

>>	Not involved, was just lurking Wed Jul 24 02:03:06 2013 No.6992742 >>6991779 My BMI is 20. I'm 5 foot 9 inches and I still fit in brand. There really is no excuse unless you're built like Gimli. Even then, he could probably fit fully shirred AP if he didn't breathe too hard.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 02:05:07 2013 No.6992752

>>6991779

My BMI is 20. I'm 5 foot 9 inches and I still fit in brand. There really is no excuse unless you're built like Gimli. Even then, he could probably fit fully shirred AP if he didn't breathe too hard.

Busty girls are the exception though, as long as they have a Bust/waist/hips ratio of 0.7 or lower.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 02:09:06 2013 No.6992763

>>6992447
My teeth came in yellowed with weak enamel (and several just plain didn't have ANY enamel) - I feel ya anon, it sucks. I cried when I got my braces off, because at least they covered up some of the ugly.

They're expensive, but I can't recommend porcelain veneers enough - because of the enamel issue, my insurance paid for part of it. All my teeth were affected (it's because of medication I was given as a toddler when I was very sick), but just my top front 6 have veneers. I did do professional (read: from my dentist) whitening on the rest, too, but they're still "yellow" compared to most people's.
Anyway, after I got my veneers, I was finally able to smile with my mouth open and not feel incredibly self-conscious all the time about my teeth. Did wonders for my confidence.

Sage for off topic.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 03:11:48 2013 No.6992901
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When sellers take a retarded amount of time to get back to you about a sales post, proceed to have crappy grammar/illegible sytax like English isn't even their prominent language, respond like they don't read a damn thing you've said, and then take forever to invoice you and even longer to ship something (conveniently without tracking so they can especially drag their heels).
I really don't get why if someone is so busy or just can't get the time to invoice quickly and ship within two business days why they even bother selling. Don't sell until you're ready to sell.

Meanwhile the impulse buy regret is slowly creeping on me because this person still hasn't sent the invoice and I'm tempted to spend the money on other things. Dammit.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 03:34:49 2013 No.6992932

>>6992901
Ugh this. I recently had a seller take my money for their item and then completely fall off the radar for more than a week without so much as a "Thanks for the prompt payment". When I PM'd her asking if the item had been shipped yet, she responded (almost immediately) saying she'd been on vacation and she'd ship that day. She did, but how are you gonna start a sales post A. right before a week+ long vacation and B. without mentioning a word to your buyer about the shipping delay? I sell stuff on ebay sometimes and once I had an unplanned roadtrip over a long weekend, and got notified on my phone that a couple people bought something while I was out of town. You know what I did, as a responsible seller? I PM'd all buyers immediately to apologize profusely for any inconvenience and let them know that I would be shipping the second I got back home. And then did.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 03:40:48 2013 No.6992942 >>6992763 inb4 someone complains about not having insurance. You can buy $200+ dresses but you can't afford an insurance payment? Priorities.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 04:57:18 2013 No.6993035

>>6992942
Not everyone's case is seen as a necessity by insurance companies. I have the same problem with weak stained teeth due to fluoride overdosing by my parents as a baby but insurance wouldn't cover veneers. Without insurance they wanted something like $30,000

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 06:12:19 2013 No.6993077 >>6991779 I'm underweight and still too busty. Luckily it's only blouses so jumperskirts make it ok.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 06:37:49 2013 No.6993093

>>6992547
>things like the bodice length, bust height, sleeve length, shoulder width, etc, can also contribute to things being too small.
Oh my god, this. I'm 6'2" and built like a stick and it's pretty much impossible to find anything that fits. Most dresses end way, way too early on me. Getting a bigger size doesn't work because it ends up baggy and still too short, plus I have no bust so that's always a problem in fitting.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 06:56:18 2013 No.6993103

>>6992942

Agreed.
I don't live in USA and we have mandatory health care insurance, I have the top package and pay 165 euro's a month.
This includes 100% coverage for the dentist, but if you are an adult in need of braces it's a whole different story.
I currently have a 9mm overjet, that started happening about 4 years after having braces, and now because it got so bad I will need to have my lower jaw broken (this is covered by insurance) and braces.
I could get a special insurance which means I'll be paying 230 euro's a month, but have to wait for a year and they can then still decline me( for no reason) the treatment, so I decided it was cheaper to pay it myself...
It will cost me roughly anywhere from 1500 to 2500 (estimate not given yet), but to me it's worth it.
This means, I won't be able to buy so much brand, but I'm fine with that, it's only 2-ish years and then I can get back at buying whatever I want.

For the TLDR peeps, long story short, nice teeth are worth more than burando.
Make that choice.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 07:06:48 2013 No.6993107

>>6991779
But you can be too busty. I wear a 30E (which really isn't that large but just enough to give me grief) and some OPs/JSKs are just not flattering. Hell, I have issues with regular US fashions. I almost always have to go up a size because of my bust.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 07:31:18 2013 No.6993123 >>6993107 >28E I feel you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 07:39:48 2013 No.6993128 >>6992529 I'm 5'2", about 100lbs, and have a 19-inch shoulder span and a barrel chest. Your argument is invalid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 16:06:48 2013 No.6993724 File: 526 KB, 800x800, mystical_20moon_original.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ophanim taking over 3 months to get me my tights. Im telling you this is bullshit! Pre-order or not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 16:13:18 2013 No.6993734 >>6993724 They be ugly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 16:15:18 2013 No.6993736 >>6993724 They design ugly as fuck shit anyway

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 16:44:18 2013 No.6993798

>>6993724
Her business model sucks. She waits until she has enough orders to order at a cheaper rate so she can make more money and then she places the order. Customers wait up to 6 months because she doesn't have enough confidence in her products to actually invest in them and have stock on hand.
That said, how is the quality of her tights? Anyone have some?

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 17:15:48 2013 No.6993850
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Not really a pet peeve but I don't know where else to post for some advice.

I commissioned a new petti from a seller on EGL (pic related). The example looked nice in the picture provided and since I had just moved and couldn't find all my sewing stuff, I figured I'd buy one from this girl. It cost me $41 all in all but it was described as a "poofy petticoat" so I thought I was going to get something that would hold up nicely under my dresses.

I got the petti today and I was disappointed. It doesn't seem very poofy and when I tried it on under two different dresses (an op with a built in petti, and a jsk without one) it didn't seem to hold up at all. I'm hanging it up side down to see if it helps uncrumple from being packed.

Upon further inspection, there's a black mark on the ribbon at the bottom "hem" of the petti (about the size of a pencil eraser head) and a huge vertical rip going through the first two layers on the bottom half of the tulle.

I don't want to be THAT kind of buyer who bitches about everything, so we come to the tl:dr

tl:dr - got a handmade petti in the mail, sellers communication was bad. Product described as poofy, product was not so poofy and has marker on the bottom and a 6-7 inch rip.

I'm gonna wait to see if it looks better later before writing feedback/review, but do you guys think I should ask for a partial refund?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 17:16:18 2013 No.6993854 >>6987779 Are you serious

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 17:23:48 2013 No.6993865 >>6988177 Hahaha.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 17:27:18 2013 No.6993870 >>6991700 Lurk more.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 17:28:19 2013 No.6993871

>>6993850
Did you look at example pictures of this petticoat being used? You can tell straight away from the image it doesn't look that poofy, even if it was stiff material. However because there's flaws with your petticoat I would take proof pictures and get a partial refund.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 17:29:18 2013 No.6993872

>>6993850
I think you should ask for a partial refund or a new petti from her, if it were used I might understand the rip but as a new commissioned one, that's just a shoddy job. And when we talk about petticoats in the lolita comm, we expect something that will provide a noticeable amount of poof underneath a dress, so if it doesn't look better after being hung upside down, definitely not worth your money. I would message the girl you commissioned it from before feedback/reviewing to see how she handles the situation, since sometimes people do a good job at remedying -- or she might handle it poorly. Some people might get upset if you post a negative review about them before contacting them about it as well, so she how she handles it first before going public with her name.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 17:48:18 2013 No.6993907

>>6993871
Yeah, there were before and after pics and I thought it would be fine, epsecially since most of my ops and jsks have the "built in petti" that comes with it.

>>6993872
Yeah I want to wait to see how it holds up after being hung upside down and then I'll msg the seller. I'm just disappointed :( I could have spent it on a CP petti, MM or something off taobao. Even those Snow Field ones are nice.

coulda, shoulda, woulda I guess. Especially with all the handmade drama going on

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 18:34:48 2013 No.6994015
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>>6993798
This.
so fucking hard.
I really hope someone writes a review about her tights.
why the fuck can't she just order a bulk of her product and then ship it out? It makes no sense to me, to make your customer wait so long for a product?

she also never actually communicates with her customers as to when you will receive your product! there always these big IFs

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 18:39:19 2013 No.6994028 File: 232 KB, 250x249, tumblr_mpdle6Y54R1rjf4f5o4_250.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >"Leaving Lolita EVERYTHING MUST GO" >click on the link >like, 5 things >Bodyline and shitty handmade stuff >mfw

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 18:42:18 2013 No.6994036 >>6987709 This. Or, somewhat related, when girls ask questions that can be answered by a quick google, search through the egl archives/lolibrary/etc, or lurking.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 18:48:18 2013 No.6994055 >>6994036 What annoys me the most are the 'what do you think of bodyline's____' and the 'how can i co-ord bodyline's____' Some girls can't seem to think on their own.

>>	deleted Wed Jul 24 19:15:48 2013 No.6994119 >>6994015 /But that means she would have to eat her loss and accept that she made a poor choice in manufacture if the tights fail!/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 19:23:18 2013 No.6994142 >>6994028 every fucking time

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 19:26:19 2013 No.6994149 >>6994028 >Famous lolita selling items >Not selling item they own that's your dream dress Not exactly a pet peeve but always leaves me disappointed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 20:59:18 2013 No.6994380 >>6991477 >>6991491 Well, that's my jfashion pet peeve- I HATE 80's shit in fairy kei. I love just simple pastel fairy kei, but when they're puking gen 1 ponies and denim jackets and that disgusting neon excuse for pastel, just no.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 21:06:18 2013 No.6994393 >>6993724 Holy shit these are ugly. That moon is like laughing at all the bitches buying this trashass looking shit.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 21:26:49 2013 No.6994426

>>6993035
I'm the anon who got veneers, and this is very true - in my case, my dentist really fought hard for us to get them paid for just a tiny bit. Not sure how much was covered in the end, but insurance typically deems them "cosmetic", not medical.
(mine were $1000 each tooth after insurance, I believe - we only did the top front 6 and the rest just have cheaper crowns to protect them because they don't show much, so the coloring doesn't really matter...but I needed SOMETHING, otherwise they'd rot and I'd end up needing dentures instead.)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 21:48:48 2013 No.6994464 >>6990967 I love guro, but I feel you with the destroyed brand thing. I just chant 'replicareplicareplica' under my breath until my broken heart fades

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 00:00:49 2013 No.6994750 >>6988672 >/cgl/ isn't a virulent hate machine You're a funny gal anon.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 02:37:48 2013 No.6995078
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When you go to buy items from a seller and they fucking charge you the shipping price for each item.
FUCK THIS SHIT.
If it's all coming in the same fucking package from the same fucking person at the same fucking time, there is no need for this separate shipping shit unless the items are super heavy and big (which they're not) OR that the seller was just too much of a shady pussy to list the real price, and tacked the rest of it into the shipping to make individual sales more appealing to customers.

There is NO REASON IN THE DAMN UNIVERSE why an order that subtotals at $19.75 with only .1 pound of weight should cost me another $19.75 to ship.

BULL FUCKING SHIT. AHHHHH~

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 02:56:50 2013 No.6995100 >>6995078 holy shit, who's this seller? i need to know to not buy from them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 03:02:19 2013 No.6995106 >>6995100 It's not anyone from any lolita sales comms. Don't worry. Still, I'm just letting off some steam about it since it pisses me off and I want these items badly for an outfit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 03:25:50 2013 No.6995133 Natural hair that's obviously not styled. You know what I'm talking about. The "sweep my overdue bangs to the side and stick a head-eating bow on top to try and disguise my lack of fashion sense or actual hair care" look.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 04:09:49 2013 No.6995179

>>6995133
see now when I see this i just feel bad. I had hermoine-tier hair growing up but then it calmed its curly tits and looks good w/minimal styling now so i feel like an asshole commenting that someone didn't work hard enough on their hair
like damn what do i know

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 04:47:19 2013 No.6995204
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>>6995133
Depends on the texture, thickness, style, cut, color, health, etc. of the natural hair. Shit like pic related is always narsty though, so I generally agree with ya.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 05:24:50 2013 No.6995223 >>6995204 oh my god that poor salopette. But now I know i will definetely never try that style out.. if it's that short on PT it's definetely above miniskirt level for me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 07:06:49 2013 No.6995277 >>6995204 oh my god it's like her boobs are trying to either escape or eat the front of that dress

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 08:53:49 2013 No.6995318

My lolita pet peeve is Rosaire having a million sock accounts to defend herself.
http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/585729.html
She has advertised her service on comm_sales so yes it is relevant. People deserve to know that she's giving shitty service. And her retarded fans are just unbelievable

>you get banned for running an SS while not teleporting packages immedately
Yes waiting a month for Rosaire to ship is just so demanding and rude of the customer!

>shouldn't then ANYBODY in there not running a SS be banned as they usually don't ship packages either?
Well there doesn't seem to be a proliferation of other sellers who take weeks to ship. If there are enough people to complain that warrant Rosaire being banned then it must be a good amount of people who have been waiting way too long to get their purchases

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 09:27:49 2013 No.6995339 File: 34 KB, 230x339, c1359420703006.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] lolita =) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQaGVbDPj3Y

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 09:36:49 2013 No.6995347 >>6995318 This shit is getting old vendetta chan.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 09:39:49 2013 No.6995348

>>6995318
>http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/585729.html
Sorry but this is retarded. She always states upfront she takes a while, and due to some problem needs more time, but when I used her she pretty much shipped not long after the item arrived. Probably some customer didn't realise this and reported her or the mod has some vendetta. Saged cause it's not relevant.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 09:43:20 2013 No.6995351

>>6995348
If it was enough of an issue for her to be banned, it was probably more than one customer, and even beyond her time frame of two weeks. Some people aren't ok waiting for weeks with numerous excuses or lack of contact, while she's tweeting about going to lives.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 10:08:19 2013 No.6995379

>>6995348
Knowing the mods could step into a deal I have with someone offsite at any time and getting deeply involved by trying to collect evidence from others I have dealt with makes me feel uneasy.

I never thought I would see the day that /cgl/ would side with the mods they say they dislike so much, but I guess all it took was good old Rosaire to do the job.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 10:13:49 2013 No.6995384 >>6995379 As pointed out in the comments, they've always done this in the past. It's rare, however, that a scammer on another platform allows their name to be tied to an account on LJ if they have one at all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 10:33:19 2013 No.6995396 >>6995318 I only see three comments on here now, none saying anything you quoted... Did I miss some that were deleted/screened and did anyone get caps?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 10:40:19 2013 No.6995401 >>6995379 What kind of shady shit are you doing? If you arent scamming you have no worry of anything here. But sales only can really do anything if there is a LJ account tied to the situation and there is sales conducted on sales, which Rosaire does.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 10:43:19 2013 No.6995405 >>6995401 I thought it was conducted on facebutt, where her service's group is located?

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 10:58:20 2013 No.6995413

>>6995318
...

So when I contacted the mods about someone scamming me on the LSE, who also posted on the LJ comm sales, I was told that anything they do off site isn't relevant... but when she does it, suddenly they're willing to jump into Facebook transactions?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 11:01:19 2013 No.6995417 >>6995413 And to add to this: Remember when the mods absolutely refused to ban maikodolly and then later said it was their policy to ban later because it makes people not want to resolve the problems?

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 11:08:49 2013 No.6995425

>>6995318
>Yes waiting a month for Rosaire to ship is just so demanding and rude of the customer!
It's your own fault if you don't read her policy or contact the SS to thell them you're ready to ship. Imagine if she would ship out without needing your confirmation, and you'd still want to add something to the order. Woops, I guess you can't please everyone.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 11:09:19 2013 No.6995426

>Hi everyone,

>I woke up about an hour ago to discover I've been banned from egl_comm_sales on LJ due to not shipping out orders. I have NOT been contacted by a mod concerning this.

As I have said in the past, if you don't contact me, your order is considered on hold. I can't know you want your items shipped if you don't tell me you do. As of right now, this is the list of people I have who have contacted me and said they wanted all (or some) of their current order shipped, and therefore these will go out today:

>If your name is not on this list and you want your items shipped, you need to PM me, remind me of what your order consists of, and then we will start working things out. Going to the mods of comm_sales and telling them that I'm not shipping will not get your items sent out because they are not in communication with me. You need to directly tell me so I know! Thanks

Rosaire via FB. Is it normal to get banned and not even talked to about it? Something seems off.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 11:10:19 2013 No.6995428 >>6995426 No, it's not. Also >>6995417 I wonder if one of the pissed off people is a mod or former mod? That would make them ban first, question/talk later.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 11:23:19 2013 No.6995440 >>6995428 It's suspicious she didn't get like a warning beforehand.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 11:29:49 2013 No.6995454

>>6995440
I mean, I have no idea what actually happened since I'm not on rosaire's Facebook (where I could assume people would feel free to post "hey where's my stuff?"?) but I think it's weird that:

They didn't contact her to tell her she was banned
She's banned for actions on Facebook when all the transactions were conducted through Facebook
In the past, they've said that they don't ban until the transactions are resolved because banning antagonizes people
There's no actual info other than "she's taking a long time to ship." How long? How many people are affected?

It's just... weird to me? Normally with scammers they have information pretty upfront. Who was affected, why the situation actually warrants banning or a mod post, etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 11:30:19 2013 No.6995455 >>6995428 >>6995440 Or maybe their policy is a mix of both. Don't get involved by not talking it out and just ban. Yet another great move by our wonderful mod team and admin.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 11:34:19 2013 No.6995460

>>6995440
Yeah, now that I think about it.

It just really seems weird that they'll jump right to the ban instead of a warning, especially when people's money is involved. I mean shit, wonderfinch was clinging to maikodolly's "honesty" about the situation for so long... but they ban her for being late with orders right away? How do they know she wouldn't decide "well fuck it" and decide she doesn't care if she's banned from the comm sales?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 11:35:49 2013 No.6995461 >>6995460 By the looks of her FB she doesn't care because she does business on FB.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 12:07:19 2013 No.6995499 >>6995405 I believe she advertises on eglsales as well, and so probably people contact her from there. Not just fb. Mods cant do much about what she does on fb anyways.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 12:27:49 2013 No.6995520

>>6995454
>CONCERNING SHIPPING

>I'm sorry I've been really slow at this but I have been dedicating almost every day to looking for a new job. I've been unemployed for over a month and only have 3000 yen to my name right now! I'm trying my best to make time for everyone to get your things sent out, so...

>Unless you contact me, your order is considered "on hold" until you tell me you are ready to ship.

>So if you are ready to go, message me.

I apologise in advance if I fucked up the greentext. This was posted 13th July.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 12:29:20 2013 No.6995521 >>6995499 http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/?poster=rosaire&submitPoster.x=0&submitPoster.y=0 She doesn't. at least not as an SS.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 12:30:20 2013 No.6995523 >>6995520 All right, so: I wonder how many of the people who are waiting to have items shipped are people that messaged her saying they were 'ready to go'?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 12:32:20 2013 No.6995525 >>6995523 She posted a list of people. It was only like 5 or something.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 12:35:19 2013 No.6995527

>>6995525
Oh, what I mean is, I wonder how many people who haven't had their items shipped were people that told rosaire they were ready to go and didn't have it shipped within whatever expected timeframe rosaire gave.

Basically I'm just wondering if the people who contacted the mod team were those that told rosaire "I'm ready to go" or people that didn't pay attention to what she said.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 16:52:49 2013 No.6995731 >>6994015 >>6993798 They're all so ornate and colorful...but I have no idea how to use them in an outfit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 16:58:19 2013 No.6995739 >>6987647 1) People who still complain about brand being expensive but not looking up Closet Child. 2) ~Kawaii lolita names~ 3) Itas with BJD who are equally dressed horridly.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 18:29:50 2013 No.6995879

>>6995413
as far as i know, shopping services are kind of weird because egl will accept their SS business as "part of the comm" with just an SS anchor post, even if the entire SS order was done through email or FB or what have you. as long as there's an SS anchor post, egl will accept feedback for all of your SS transactions, so i don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that egl mods can step in on your SS business whenever something smells off.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 19:46:49 2013 No.6995996 >>6995521 She used to, you can see it if you google for it. Her actual livejournal looks like it's her SS anchor page now. If she's responding to people's WTBs with a LJ that's just a SS anchor page, that would probably count the for the same.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 19:54:19 2013 No.6996008
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Smokey eye makeup with sweet or classic Lolita. In fact, any excessive makeup is a problem. Urgh, it bugs me so much. You are supposed to look innocent, pure and cute, not like some sultry harlot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 20:14:49 2013 No.6996032 >>6996008 >any excessive makeup is a problem >girl in pictures is wearing multiple types of eyeliner, multiple shades of eyeshadow, at least two pairs of fake lashes, and circle lenses

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 20:16:19 2013 No.6996034 >>6995996 Her LJ isn't just an SS anchor page, it's her regular journal now. It used to be (when it was lacetreasures) but when she switched to rosaire it became her 'normal' one.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 20:18:49 2013 No.6996036 >>6996008 Holy fuck it looks like she has a third eyelid

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 20:24:19 2013 No.6996051 Hope all you Rosaire white knights saw the mod comment on the comm_sales ban announcement. Can you really defend her now?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 20:31:50 2013 No.6996058 >>6996032 Wow that one just went way over your head didn't it? The picture was obviously related.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 20:34:20 2013 No.6996060 >>6995879 http://eglfeedback.livejournal.com/1494907.html The link is dead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 20:45:49 2013 No.6996076 >>6996051 Well she's banned and wasn't contacted by the moderators so what about her side of the story.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 20:58:19 2013 No.6996094 >>6996051 This makes about as much sense as someone saying "omg the mods havent even banned maiko yet, obviously she's innocent!!!!!"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 21:13:50 2013 No.6996113 >>6996051 Yeah, mod comments are infallible. Kinda like wonderfinch saying that she KNEW maikodolly wasn't scamming because of her "insider sources."

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 21:14:49 2013 No.6996115

>We received word that Rosaire specifically told people she was unable to pay for shipping on items that the buyer had already paid shipping for, as well as a few complaints in this same time period that she simply wasn't responding to some people who were using her services. All the while taking new orders.

>we received word

Uh... huh. Anyone else weirded out by this wording?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 21:16:19 2013 No.6996117 >>6995223 It's only short on PT because her fat pushes it up

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 21:19:49 2013 No.6996121
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>>6996115
It could mean it came from some of her customers. I mean they're the ones who would know if they already paid for shipping and then she informed them that she didn't have the money to ship.

Nonetheless I find nothing unreasonable about the mod post nor do I see it as a damnation against rosaire.
It's just saying look, this is just a temp ban so you can get your shit together. If rosaire is becoming too busy or too sick then it's not like she has an obligation to be an SS. She can quit anytime if she wants or continue as soon as she has the situation sorted.

I really don't know why people are blowing this up bigger than it is.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 21:21:20 2013 No.6996132

>>6996121
This. If she's too sick to move and too broke to eat, she shouldn't be focusing on her SS until she can actually devote the time and money to it.

But leave it to the rosaire whiteknight brigade to lose their shit at the slightest implication that she isn't 100% perfect.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 21:21:49 2013 No.6996131 >>6989928 to me flat shoes ruin the outfit

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 21:23:50 2013 No.6996135

>>6996132
>But leave it to the rosaire whiteknight brigade to lose their shit at the slightest implication that she isn't 100% perfect.
But to be fair they're probably extra sensitive since there was a ridiculous vendetta chan posting for the longest time. So they're all riled up at the slightest admittance.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 21:28:19 2013 No.6996142

>>6996135
I know, and that's the problem. Back at that point, there was no provable issue with her and, as they should, people reacted accordingly and assumed it was all lies. The main crap, with octave et all clearly was.

But with all the recent events where she's been caught in various lies or withholding of information, like the BTSSB drama and now actual customers coming forward to the mods with issues, if you're still going to blindly defend her, you have your head up your ass.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 21:31:49 2013 No.6996148

>>6996142
We don't know that any customers have come to the mods. And as it's been said before, we don't even now what happened with the Btssb drama, other than both Tocco and rosaire get immature as shit when they fight. (Like most people, really.) We can't say she lied because that means taking the email posted by the random whiteknight for Tocco-chan as 100% truth, and assuming that the full email from Tocco exists in a vacuum without context.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 21:46:49 2013 No.6996182

>>6996148
So you're suggesting the more plausible situation is that there is some sort of mass rosaire conspiracy? With people faking private emails and mods of communities getting together and saying she's been scamming people just so they have an excuse to ban her, even though she doesn't use their community? Wouldn't the more likely situation be that she is just sort of a drama queen who sucks at running a SS?

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 21:52:49 2013 No.6996188

more relevant to the op, one of my biggest pet peeves is indie brands or independent seamstresses charging brand prices, especially without a good, long-standing rep or brand quality

i want to support indie but really? i can think of maybe one or two indie brands that have proved their clothes are worth what they charge but otherwise...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 21:55:49 2013 No.6996191 >>6996182 >saying she's been scamming people just so they have an excuse to ban her confirmed for vendetta-chan. No one talked about conspiracies or scamming, which is what you bring up constantly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:02:19 2013 No.6996206 >>6996191 Thanks for so quickly proving my point that anyone who so much as slightly thinks rosaire is not squeaky clean is met with OMG VENDETTACHAN.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:12:50 2013 No.6996221 >>6996206 Except it's not "oh she's not squeaky clean." No one has said she's squeaky clean. But running to "she's a scammer! Or else you're saying it's a CONSPIRAAAAAAACY" is vendetta MO.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:20:19 2013 No.6996235 why did wonderfinch delete her comment on getoffegl admitting that they didn't contact rosaire beforehand?

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:20:20 2013 No.6996231

>>6996206
Oh get off it.

>We received word that Rosaire specifically told people she was unable to pay for shipping on items that the buyer had already paid shipping for, as well as a few complaints in this same time period that she simply wasn't responding to some people who were using her services.

"We received word" that she "told people" sounds like they're going off secondhand information to me. Did anyone actually contact them specifically? What counts as "not responding"? And do we know for sure that she didn't ship within the timeframe she gives--2 weeks after payment? Etc. We, and that includes people ready with the torches to burn her house down, don't have enough info to go off on.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:20:49 2013 No.6996234

>>6996221
Are we really going to play the ignoring obvious logical implications game again in these threads? Fine.

>>6996148
>We don't know that any customers have come to the mods.

From the mod post:
>We received word that Rosaire specifically told people she was unable to pay for shipping on items that the buyer had already paid shipping for, as well as a few complaints in this same time period that she simply wasn't responding to some people who were using her services.

If you seriously, really don't think that it's clearly reports FROM customers TO the mods that is being implied here, then what on earth could you possibly think, other than >>6996182? Honestly. I would really like to know.

If customers have paid their shipping and rosaire is unable to afford their shipping, clearly she has used their money for purposes it wasn't intended for. In that case, their items are being held in limbo. That, to me, is a scam. What would you call it?

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:22:49 2013 No.6996239

>>6996221
Except that's not what I said. I don't know anything about her past her recent drama and don't really care enough about her to be a vendetta. I'm just pointing out that you're saying that everyone could simply be lying about two different dramatic situations she got into, forging both emails and PMs in order to make rosaire look bad for no reason, when it's much more likely that she's just a drama queen.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:23:49 2013 No.6996244

>>6996235
Because the mods are always putting foot in mouth.

What gets me is that those who are whining that the mods are treating her differently from maiko are probably the same people who complained that the mods didn't act fast enough in the maiko case. Now that they ARE acting quickly, people lynch them for that too. They just can't fucking win.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:24:50 2013 No.6996248

>>6996234
This isn't the first time the mod's have gone off misinformation, though. Remember wonderfinch's special insider source on the maikodolly situation that led her to tell people it wasn't a scamming situation? Aka maikodolly herself telling finchy "Oh I didn't do anything bad~ It was all my brother~ I didn't get arrested, see?~"

Did they get caps from these buyers? "Received word" is a lot different from getting an actual report with evidence, which they require of everyone else. Do we know that their items weren't shipped within the timeframe she posts on her SS rules, which is about 2 weeks? Or did someone just see that she couldn't ship ASAP and get pissed off, like what's-her-face from the drama this winter did?

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:27:19 2013 No.6996250

>>6996239
>forging both emails and PMs

What emails and PMs are you talking about? The email the whiteknight posted from Japanese girl? because that's the only email in question that didn't come from rosaire herself.

I'm not saying EVERYONE IS LYYYYYYIIIIIIING. I'm saying that we don't have enough information to tell either way. We don't know what info the mods are using. We do know that rosaire has 2 policies that make shipping slower: one, you need to tell her when you're ready to ship otherwise it's considered "on hold," and two, it takes 2 weeks from the payment of shipment to actually ship.

We don't know what happened with the BtSSB drama, unless you want to blindly believe one person while saying the other must be completely lying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:28:49 2013 No.6996252 >>6996244 people tend to be annoyed when mods are inconsistent

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:29:49 2013 No.6996253 >>6996252 Yeah, and then they try to be consistent and right their wrongs, they get bitched at for that too. That's my point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:30:19 2013 No.6996256 >>6996235 it wasn't? i see a comment from wonderfinch about that. or was there a comment earlier that i missed?

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:31:49 2013 No.6996257

>>6996248
We won't know.

It's none of our business and quite frankly it shouldn't be. It's between the mods, customers, and rosaire. The public has no right to be privy to peoples' business transactions, just the nature of the concerns lodged against her. And if you really believe we're going to get every tiny email and business transaction detail laid out to us or that we have that right, you're ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:33:20 2013 No.6996261 >>6996257 Yep. Wanting to know they got actual evidence means I want every tiny email and detail. Yep.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:35:50 2013 No.6996263 >>6996261 Have you read this thread?

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:37:20 2013 No.6996273

>>6996253
But they're not being consistent, which is the point. This isn't the first time they've flip-flopped about their policies regarding off-LJ transactions or what constitutes a temp ban or their policies for temp bans or even how they handle problems. It's annoying and frustrating. They were all gung-ho about "WE CAN'T BAN MAIKO BECAUSE SHE WON'T WANT TO FIX THE PROBLEMS!" but then suddenly that's not an issue? Heck, according to their own logic, they could have just screwed people out of money *and* items if rosaire decides to just fuck it and not fix the problems. I don't even care about rosaire being banned, I'm just flabbergasted at their decisions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:38:50 2013 No.6996276 >>6996263 >wanting to know if the people who complained to the mods were within rosaire's shipping timeframe is wanting to know every tiny detail YEP.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:39:19 2013 No.6996277 Why does everyone think maiko wasn't banned?

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:42:49 2013 No.6996284

>>6996273
Ok, then /what do you want them to do/? Do you want them to be inconsistent and change to whatever cgl's complaint of the day is for the next issue? Or do you want them to change policy once in answer to previous complaints about how they handled something, and be consistent from then on?

Really. Every time something goes down, cgl flips their shit over it; regardless of how it's handled. There is zero way they can handle something and not get shit for it. I can't blame them for not knowing what people want anymore.

>>6996277
It's that she wasn't banned immediately, not that she wasn't banned.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:42:49 2013 No.6996285 http://eglfeedback.livejournal.com/1946482.html It says right on her feedback page she's been permabanned.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:44:19 2013 No.6996289 >>6996273 i don't know, i assumed the maiko situation ended so badly that they'll be trying a different tack from now on. if the old policy didn't work out well, why stick to it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:44:19 2013 No.6996292 >>6996284 I thought she was immediately banned from egl-comm-sales, just not from EGL.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:45:49 2013 No.6996294 >>6996277 yeah, i have no idea either. http://eglfeedback.livejournal.com/1946482.html

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 22:47:49 2013 No.6996303

>>6996276

>>6995523
>>6995527
>>6996231
>>6996248
>>6996248

Comments asking for or speculating with regards to specific details about messages exchanged, shipping timeframes, etc.

Obviously, if you're going to speculate based on that kind of information, the only way anything can be "proven" is with those details. You were saying?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 23:01:50 2013 No.6996341 File: 344 KB, 392x586, bullshit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You know what my Lolita Pet Peeve is? Threads getting shitted up in here EVERY TIME ROSAIRE IS MENTIONED. Fuck this shit. Shut up.

Anonymous Thu Jul 25 23:22:22 2013 No.6996383

>>6996248
>This isn't the first time the mod's have gone off misinformation, though. Remember wonderfinch's special insider source on the maikodolly situation that led her to tell people it wasn't a scamming situation? Aka maikodolly herself telling finchy "Oh I didn't do anything bad~ It was all my brother~ I didn't get arrested, see?~"

this

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 00:57:19 2013 No.6996532 My pet peeve is when someone volunteers to host a meet up and doesn't show up to their own event!

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 01:01:20 2013 No.6996538

>>6993798
>Her business model sucks. She waits until she has enough orders to order at a cheaper rate so she can make more money and then she places the order. Customers wait up to 6 months because she doesn't have enough confidence in her products to actually invest in them and have stock on hand.
This is a fucking trend with indies I've noticed. It's because these bitches have no money and don't want to take any kind of risk to run their business (ie what real small business owners do every day)
So instead they make everybody else pay for their laziness, cheapness and absence of anything resembling a long term plan, and you bitches are dumb enough to fall for it and shell out every time. This "waaah this indie brand scammed me I are shocked" bit has been playing out every three months for several years now, but people keep on forking money over.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 01:04:20 2013 No.6996547

>>6993850
Open a paypal case. DO NOT SAY IT WAS HANDMADE ANYWHERE. You have a right to bitch because she sold you a piece of shit, and people letting other lolitas assrape them constantly with the "oh she's a small time seamstress" is why this kind of thing happens all the time now. You can ask her for a partial refund in the case notes, or a full refund, and she will hopefully settle.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:04:49 2013 No.6996639 >>6996630 did you really take photos of your screen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:05:49 2013 No.6996640 You just loooove getting all this attention don't you, rosaire.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:06:19 2013 No.6996643 >>6996630 >>6996631 >>6996634 >>6996637 You need to clean your screen...

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:08:20 2013 No.6996647 >>6996640 >rosaire provides evidence of mods being fuck-ups >ZOMG YOU JUST LOOOOOOOOOVE ATTENTION mmkay

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:09:49 2013 No.6996648 >>6996647 hi rosaire the only evidence being provided here is that you are, as wonderfinch hits right on the mark, a brat. And a drama queen.

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Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:14:19 2013 No.6996655

>>6996637
>>6996634
>>6996631
>>6996630
Okay 1) girl rotate that shit, I had to save and do it myself

2)

>we instantly banned her [maikodolly] from the community and also called the police

Ohhh bullshit. She was not banned from either community "instantly." In fact, wonderfinch made it a point to say that she wouldn't be banned instantly because it could affect how she handled the problem. Also I doubt she called the police but who knows. We do know, from maiko herself, that she was wonderfinch's "source" that it wasn't a scam.

>the members have asked that their identities remain private to avoid being involved in drama so I don't really want to relase any detials about them or their orders

So... the mods want her to fix the problem, but won't actually tell her who has a problem with their order? What? I can understand not releasing the names publicly but uh, if you're telling someone that they're banned for fucking up but wont' tell them how they fucked up, then... what do the mods want? And they want her to provide "shipping information" for all her customers so that, when the names match up to the people that apparently contacted the mods, she'll be unbanned? Uh. What...

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Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:16:19 2013 No.6996660

>>6996655
Considering how much of an obvious, drama-mongering bitch rosaire is (constantly airing her dirty laundry in cgl for example), I don't blame any of her customers for being frightened and wanting their identities protected. She would drag them through the mud, just as she has anyone else who has crossed her path.

Or are you whiteknights still going to play the 'if it's true you don't have to worry about going public!1' excuse, after her behavior here and in past drama?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:16:49 2013 No.6996659

>>6996645
>making an new account to evade bad feedback ... is grounds for an instant permanban

Why do I get the feeling that wonderfinch's "source" for a lot of this is drama and gossip? Since she didn't make a new account to evade bad feedback. Her old account didn't *have* bad feedback, so how could she make a new account to evade it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:17:19 2013 No.6996661 >>6996648 >implying you wouldn't be pissed off as hell if rosaire gave your name or other shipping information to wonderfinch just because she asked for it c'mon now

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:18:49 2013 No.6996663 >>6996661 But that isn't what wonderfinch is asking for, did you read the messages? She asking for initials specifically so that identities don't have to be revealed. Addresses and names would be too much, I agree, but initials can't be that harmful?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:19:50 2013 No.6996666

>>6996660
>just as she has anyone else who has crossed her path.
>Or are you whiteknights still going to play the 'if it's true you don't have to worry about going public!1' excuse, after her behavior here and in past drama?

Oh my god, get over yourself. There has not been a single instance where one of the accusations people throw about rosaire as a SS has been proven true. It's completely ridiculous to tell someone that they're going to have to tell you the names of everyone whose package they ship just to see if it matches up with someone who told wonderfinch that rosaire didn't ship it yet.

If this was going on with ANYONE ELSE, you know you guys would be in a fucking tizzy with how wonderfinch is acting in these messages.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:21:20 2013 No.6996672 >>6996662 >You changed your name to hide bad feedback!1! >You did several things that should have gotten you banned!1! >Okay, before this you didn't actually do anything ban worthy... So which is it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:22:50 2013 No.6996673 Sorry if they're sideways, they're not on my phone. And yes, I took pictures of the convo otherwise I'd be accused of doctoring the images.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:24:19 2013 No.6996678 >>6996672 Is this bitch serious? Someone post this to the GTFO page.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:24:49 2013 No.6996677

Lol wonderfinch backpedaling

>Rosaire: Still waiting for proof that I dodged bad feedback and proof of other bannable offenses.

>Wonderfinch: The whole changing your username thing is kind of not allowed? Or did you miss that part of our rules. IIRC you used to be karasu. Anyway, you know what? I'll let you have that. Prior to this, you haven't committed any bannable offenses.

So... Wonderfinch accused her of evading bad feedback, which wasn't true. Karasu has no bad feedback. And AFAIK there is no rule that says you aren't allowed to change your name, only this: "...leave a comment on your page clearly outlining your old name and your new name." Which doesn't indicate that it's a bannable offense, just says you should do it but doesn't indicate consequences or any type of rule.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:26:19 2013 No.6996681

>>6996666
Did you read a fucking thing I said or what.

Three people who were obviously connected trying to drum up some kind of beef with rosaire =/= EVERY OTHER CUSTOMER WHO HAS HAD AN ISSUE. What do you not understand about this? There have been TONS of reports of issues with her, and because of the drama surrounding her, people don't want their names dragged through the mud too. This has been explained again and again and again in multiple threads, if you still don't understand I just have no hope for you.

You're right, it would be different if it was anyone else- because rosaire has shown herself again and again to drum up and perpetuate drama around herself and drag everyone in with it. Shock surprise, your past actions affect how people view your future ones??

Look, I know rosaire and her couple friends are in here circlejerking about how lel durr wonderfinch is but anyone with half a fucking brain can see that if someone is involved again. and again. and AGAIN in drama, the common denominator is the issue.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:27:49 2013 No.6996683
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Wonderfinch's reaction to being called out for accusing rosaire of bad feedback evading, committing bannable offenses, and having to admit it wasn't true.

Our mature admin, ladies and gentlemen!

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:30:49 2013 No.6996688

>>6996681
>implying I'm rosaire's friend because I have a brain that can put 2+2 together and see that wonderfinch is grasping at straws

If there have been TONS of reported instances, then where are they? All we have is anonymous BS that has been proven wrong thread after thread after thread.

So, I assume you'll agree that it's only fair wonderfinch is getting shit on, since she's acted immature and hypocritical in the past? Wonderfinch herself, shock and surprise, is involved in drama again and again and again, too. Or is a mod who says she wants to "kick someone's teeth in" because they're being annoying during a dispute (aka the elerronyar incident) a paragon of virtue for you?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:31:21 2013 No.6996689 >>6996681 aw c'mon anon. You can still hate me and not agree with how WF conducted herself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:32:51 2013 No.6996693 >>6996689 Did I say I didn't? I don't agree with her language or how she conducted herself. It was childish and rude. Just like you constantly are.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:32:51 2013 No.6996694

>>6996652
>I actually sent you a message a few months ago because in violation of our rules you changed to a new account and started selling again (from lacetreasures to rosaire)

... is... is wonderfinch retarded? All she did was change her name, not the account. Everything that was under lacetreasures redirects to rosaire, because it's a name change, not an account change.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:35:49 2013 No.6996697

>>6996688
>If there have been TONS of reported instances, then where are they? All we have is anonymous BS that has been proven wrong thread after thread after thread.

You keep saying this, so you're obviously not getting the point.

I don't give a fuck about wonderfinch, it's been long proven that the mods are far from 'paragons of virtue'. Did I bring that up? No. Don't put words in my mouth.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:35:49 2013 No.6996698 >>6996693 If you're nice to me I'm nice back. It's very simple. We can learn to be friends <3

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:36:19 2013 No.6996700 >>6996698 Fortunately I have no interest in being friends with or doing business with gaping cunts, but thanks anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:36:50 2013 No.6996701 >>6996697 Yes, I keep saying this. You said there were tons of reported issues with rosaire. Well, where are they? Anonymous accounts that dont' match up with the facts do not, surprisingly, count.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:37:20 2013 No.6996703 >>6996700 I'm actually really tight though, honest.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:39:20 2013 No.6996705

>>6996701
Handily, here's one from the dream dress thread >>6996056

Thankfully I care far too little to actually dig through past rosaire bullshit threads to find all the other posts by people who have issues but were too scared to come forward, but anyone who has had to read this shit for the past handful of months has probably seen them anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:42:49 2013 No.6996707 File: 995 KB, 410x231, yay.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the anticipation of waiting for someone to upload rosaire's caps on getoffegl and point out wonderfinch's bullshit c'mon cgl dont' let me down

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:43:19 2013 No.6996708 >>6996705 >Anonymous accounts that dont' match up with the facts do not, surprisingly, count. >Links to an anonymous comment So were you never taught how to read, or are you just retarded.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:44:49 2013 No.6996709

>>6996707
What, don't have the balls to do it yourselves, rosaire's friends? Since rosaire is banned from there too for breaking rules. Wonder how many other comms she can get herself banned from.

>>6996708
Again, you continue to miss the point... were you never taught to read, or are you just retarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:46:49 2013 No.6996710 >>6996709 She has a million sock accounts (because she has almost no friends) so she could just use one of those

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:49:49 2013 No.6996716

>Since you are presently very active on my community I have to put on a show and act like I give half a shit about you

Look. Rosaire is not perfect. She may be shipping some shit slow or fucking up, I don't know. But wonderfinch, in this case, is just being... a fucking cunt. They banned her without telling her (and given the vitriol wonderfinch is putting out here, I'm starting to doubt it was an "accident") and when asked why, she's told that some mysterious customers say she's not shipping out or other "scammy" behaviors... but wonderfinch refuses to tell rosaire what transactions they're talking about, what exactly is the problem, who is involved, or what needs to be done other than--apparently--"ship your outstanding orders," which rosaire says she has been doing. (Whether or not it's true, idk, but.) Rosaire can't even confirm if the people who contacted wonderfinch are actually customers of hers, she's just told that every time she ships, she needs to give some kind of info to wonderfinch so they can compare. How is this even remotely acceptable?

And her attitude in the messages is just bullshit. She accuses rosaire of doing stuff she didn't do (and inadvertently admitted she, as the admin of an LJ community, doesn't freaking know a basic function of LJ for several years--name changes) and, when called out on it, has a tantrum and tells rosaire to leave LJ and never come back like some kind of lolita Scar, because she's forced to admit she was wrong.

This is not acceptable behavior by wonderfinch, at all. Especially when she was so, so very keen on being polite and sweet as pie with maikodolly, who we had *proof* was a scammer early on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:50:19 2013 No.6996720 >>6996710 That's what I was thinking, but can't the mods tell by IP? Or does getoff have IP off again/still... I remember it was on for a bit but I don't remember when/if they turned it off again since I know there were complaints about it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:50:49 2013 No.6996722

>>6996709
Why are you so insistent on implying that anyone who points out that WF is being a mega-lying bitch here is rosaire's friend? You're just as bad as the people that cry "vendetta" at everything. Maybe worse, since you probably stomp your feet if you're called a vendetta-chan, while calling others whiteknights and friends because they aren't gathering up their pitchforks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:52:19 2013 No.6996725 >>6996060 >the link is kill >no

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:52:49 2013 No.6996726 >>6996716 I don't know who's right or wrong anymore... I suggest we have a loli-showdown and the girl with the frilliest dresses win.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:53:19 2013 No.6996730 >>6996722 "vendetta-chan" O hay Rosaire

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:53:50 2013 No.6996729 >>6996716 Hasn't Wonderfinch done some stupid shit already? Wasn't the reason egl shut down a couple years back the result of her being outed on her crappy attitude as a mod?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:54:49 2013 No.6996731

>>6996722
? My beef has nothing to do with calling out WF, because WF absolutely deserves to be called out for her shit- as you seem to want to believe so desperately.

My beef is that rosaire is a drama-mongering bitch who absolutely has dug herself her own drama and has somehow, smugly succeeded (as I've seen happen in many a drama/drama community over time) to convince some people she's innocent and that anyone calling her out is a lying meanieface, just because ONE incident that was the case. It makes me sick for the customers who are caught in the crossfire of all of her bullshit, call me altruistic, but they're the victims here and I feel like fucking no one pays attention to that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:55:19 2013 No.6996734 >>6996729 That was when a new mod leaked the Elerronyar post where WF said she wanted to kick her teeth in.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:55:49 2013 No.6996732 >>6996731 **The customers who are having problems with her SS and cannot come forward for fear of retribution, I should clarify.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:55:49 2013 No.6996733 >>6996730 yep, everyone who uses that common phrase is rosaire. just like everyone who uses whiteknight is a vendetta-chan. whoops circular logic.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 02:58:49 2013 No.6996738

>>6996716
>This is not acceptable behavior by wonderfinch, at all. Especially when she was so, so very keen on being polite and sweet as pie with maikodolly, who we had *proof* was a scammer early on.

Uh, did you stop and maybe think that she's being this hardass because of that whole thing?

I don't like her as much as the next person but rosaire has too much drama around her, and I'd be a bit hard on her too myself.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:00:49 2013 No.6996742

>>6996731
This is the drama rosaire has been involved in with the livejournal community:

Three of her customers accused her of scamming or otherwise shitty behavior. They were proven wrong.

Rosaire posted on getoffegl saying that her coworker was the bitchy person behind Baby's English department and that she treated her like crap. Back and forth between the Japanese person's friend, rosaire, and some sock puppets. No one was proven wrong or right because we literally have no idea what happened.

... And this.

That's it. There has been no mass conspiracy to suppress rosaire's bad feedback or customer's bad feedback of her, because there hasn't been any. The worst actual feedback she received was... what, one positive feedback with a 4/5 for shipping saying "she shipped a bit slow, but got me a gift to make up for it" or something like that.

Again, there have been no incidents of her dragging her customers through the mod. So I don't know why you're acting like the customers, whoever they are, if they are people who rosaire fucked over or if they just didn't read her rules, should be quivering in fear here. There hasn't been an incident where someone who had a legit bad experience has been hounded or martyred for it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:03:19 2013 No.6996747

>>6996738
but would you accuse her of doing things she didn't do? And basically tell her "gtfo my community then" when you were called out for accusing her of said shit she didn't do? There's a difference between being firm and not accepting excuses and then basically telling someone they have to give you customer information (even initials) to "compare with," on top of accusing you of bullshit... no top of acting like a brat when called out.

And it doesn't make sense to me. She went on and on about how they had to be nice to maiko to keep her customers money in mind. What about rosaire's customers? Wonderfinch more or less just told her "Run away, rosaire, run away and never return"--doesn't she think that rosaire, since she's adamant on bringing up her tendancy for drama, might react by saying "welp, fuck this then" and dropping her orders?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:04:19 2013 No.6996748 >>6996742 Honestly, I think that even if they did come forward whiteknights would accuse them of lying because she's been lied on before.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:06:49 2013 No.6996754

>>6996748
This.

This. Is. The. Fucking. Issue.

I'm not explaining it for the 100000000000000000th time.

>>6996747
>doesn't she think that rosaire, since she's adamant on bringing up her tendancy for drama, might react by saying "welp, fuck this then" and dropping her orders?

To be honest this really ticked me off about WF's reaction too. Personally I don't think rosaire would do this because she's mentioned what her living situation is right now and she probably needs the money badly, but... The possibility for it still exists and she should not be leaving the customers who came to the mods for help in the dust.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:07:49 2013 No.6996755 As much as I love dramu can we please get this shit back on topic? My personal pet peeve is seeing an otherwise beautiful dress ruined by fucking rickrack.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:09:20 2013 No.6996760

>>6996748
If someone decided to come forward publicly, all they would need to do is provide a cap of rosaire saying that an item would be shipped (whenever) and then evidence that no, it wasn't shipped in that time frame. The reason that people accused the others of lying was that... well, they lied. Actually, they weren't "accused" of lying so much as proven to lie.

But people don't even need to come forward publicly. I don't understand this logic of "okay mod team, we want our items! But you can't tell rosaire who we are." Then how is she supposed to know who is having trouble with her service? I mean, it'd be like someone buying something from my shop--then getting an email from etsy saying I'll be banned unless I ship this person's item, but they won't tell me whose item it is and that I need to give them the initials of everyone whose item I do ship. It doesn't make any sense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:11:50 2013 No.6996765 >>6996755 I think it's a lost cause, anon. Thread's almost to autosage so might as well start a new one for pet peeves.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:12:49 2013 No.6996766 >>6996765 Scratch that, it is in autosage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:14:49 2013 No.6996770 >>6996765 Sigh. I guess you're right.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:15:19 2013 No.6996771

>>6996734
Yeah that was it...

Wouldn't it be crazy if Rosaire took advantage of WF's temper to make herself look good? I read this on the egl sale post and it sounds like the mods are being pretty reasonable with the exception of WF going overboard.

"The ban is not in place because she took a long time to ship. We received word that Rosaire specifically told people she was unable to pay for shipping on items that the buyer had already paid shipping for, as well as a few complaints in this same time period that she simply wasn't responding to some people who were using her services. All the while taking new orders.

These are red flags to us, and she has done business on the comm in very recent history, has a shopping service hub on LJ, and is a well-known shopping service within the community.

We understand there might be an illness keeping her from doing some things, and she states this up front, but regardless of the reason (health, life, or whatever), she seems to have come to some situation that is not allowing her to fulfill her end of a bargain and we reserve the right to temp ban her until the situation has been sorted out in order to protect members of our community who may be using her services."

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:18:49 2013 No.6996779

>>6996771
>Wouldn't it be crazy if Rosaire took advantage of WF's temper to make herself look good?

It does indeed sound crazy but that's the thing. I think rosaire has been playing this card for a very long time, and she's very good at it. That's the problem with these types, they're very good at playing things into the perspective they want and making it look crazy to point it out.

The cosplay-side thread about that Syfy show was saying the same thing about Yaya's BS, and it's very true.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:20:51 2013 No.6996785

>>6996771
My question is: Wonderfinch also believes that rosaire evaded bad feedback with her karasu account and changed her "account" from lacetreasures to rosaire... strange that such accusations were the ones commonly thrown around /cgl/ before/after the liar trio drama. So just how credible is the word they received?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:20:51 2013 No.6996787

>>6996779
>making it look crazy to point it out.

To point what out? That she didn't evade bad feedback and that it's ridiculous to expect her to give up the initials of every single one of her customers when their items ship, all the while having to guess who is not satisfied with her service?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:21:51 2013 No.6996788 >>6996785 The plot thickens.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:22:51 2013 No.6996790 >>6996785 Don't forget about all the other imaginary offences that would earn her a ban!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:23:51 2013 No.6996792 >>6996771 if wf thinks rosaire is a dramamonger (which she is) then throwing a fit in PMs she knew would likely be leaked was a dumbass idea all the same

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:23:51 2013 No.6996793

>>6996755
I doubt it, lolitas in general can't keep anything together without drama.

It's not a pet peeve exactly, but as much as I love the dresses and fashion I can't bring myself to start into the hobby. This board wasn't entirely hostile before the lolis came, but it's one of the worst boards on 4chan now. Everything they touch is a miserable shit-flinging bitchfest to the point that I cannot imagine any decent person would ever want to be associated with these people. Anytime I see someone in a loli getup, I automatically assume that they are a terrible cunt.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:24:51 2013 No.6996796 >>6996787 ...To point out that she's making herself look good with all of her posts here? But nice tangent. >>6996792 Definitely, which is why I don't understand why she flipped out on her. I guess she's just that dumb or naive.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:29:52 2013 No.6996804 >>6995520 What happened to her translating job?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:29:52 2013 No.6996805 >>6996796 She flipped out because she's used to being treated like Princess High N' Mighty Big Shot Boss of the World on EGL. So when rosaire pointed out she was making baseless accuations, her ego imploded and caused her to have a tantrum.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:29:52 2013 No.6996806 >>6996796 WF just has a short fuse and then says stupid shit. Clearly not the way to handle things...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:32:52 2013 No.6996811 >>6996805 Not really? I mean it's pretty commonly known people have a lot of hate for WF? >>6996806 Yeah. Not good attributes for a mod but with this community, not like people are lining up for the job...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:33:52 2013 No.6996815 >>6996811 Yeah, but nobody usually acts on said hate to her face. Most people suck up to her or sidestep when she does/says something stupid or ridiculous. She's especially used to the butt-kissing now that she's a SJW on Tumblr.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:35:53 2013 No.6996818 >>6996806 >>6996805 What I don't understand is if WF hates EGL so much, why does she still admin it..?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:36:53 2013 No.6996819 >>6996668 WOW THIS BITCH. "I have a community to run?" Haha, oh my god.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:37:53 2013 No.6996823 Excerpt from a PM with milkteamilk >No one is encouraged to come to us to solve a problem with your shipping. If one of our members did, I can assure you we would just send them back to you. ??????????? I feel like I am missing something here.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:38:53 2013 No.6996824

>>6996815
I guess that's true, yeah, even though I'm sure she's aware of it.

>>6996818
I don't think she hates EGL? But I certainly can't blame her for being frustrated at putting in hours of work for a community that does nothing but shit on her (and yes, she does fuck up. a lot. but she still does a crapload of work for the community).

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:42:53 2013 No.6996829 >>6996639 Well, it's proof that there's no shoop going on because it's not screencaps, I guess. Having to rotate my head to read them is kind of a bitch, though

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:43:54 2013 No.6996833 >>6996771 Haha, yeah, Cimone can be expected to be a bitch in any given situation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:45:54 2013 No.6996835 >>6996823 ... Wait what. if no one is encouraged to come to them with a problem, then... why... is she banned? I'm so confused. What.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:50:54 2013 No.6996839 >>6996818 Because she probably would like, commit suicide or something if she stopped being the admin of EGL. She literally has nothing to live for except lolita.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:51:55 2013 No.6996842 >>6996839 Yet she can't dress herself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:52:55 2013 No.6996843 >>6996823 Can't you just ask her to clarify? I think she's more reasonable than talking to WF, at least.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:53:55 2013 No.6996845 >>6996824 >don't think she hates EGL? You're clearly not friends with her on Facebook.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:53:55 2013 No.6996846

>>6996823
I don't understand. So, wonderfinch wants rosaire (you?) to give you the intiials/some kind of shipping information about all of your customers because she says some customers contacted her/the mods about you not shipping.

But milkteamilk is saying that if someone did come to them about a shipping problem, they would have sent them back to you.

BUT. Milkteamilk said on egl_comm_sales that people did come to them with problems related to shipping and that they reacted by banning you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:53:55 2013 No.6996847 >>6996845 No, obviously, since I wouldn't want to be. Can't blame her, I mean, EGL is pretty shit.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:55:55 2013 No.6996849

>>6996842
Yeah, I think she just buys dresses and just wallows in them.

In other news, anyone see that she's selling off her Meta Nazi items? I think it's because she's such a huge SJW and people started to accuse her of hypocrisy when she got the items.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:57:55 2013 No.6996852

>>6996843
It was concerning that line at the end of the ban post about having people in current transactions with me to contact the mods. I said

>None of these transactions are happening here so all your fearmongering is doing is making things more difficult, especially if they decide to contact you and CONTINUE to NOT contact me.

To which she replied with the quote above. I don't get it either because then I was told that these people asked that their identities remain private to avoid drama, so then how is she sending them back to me?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:57:55 2013 No.6996853

>>6996849
I remember one of her followers, who said they were on EGL, telling her that they were disappointed with her decision to buy the items when she was always good at calling out people's racism, sexism, etc even when it was subtle--so that her basically saying "eee got the skirt, now I need the hat!" for the Nazi/WW2 axis inspired line was kinda uhhhh

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:58:55 2013 No.6996855 >>6996846 I think it's because all the mods are on different pages again. I bet it's WF who just went ahead and did shit without people knowing.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 03:59:08 2013 No.6996856

>>6996852
So... they (the mods) told people who were in a current transaction with you to contact them, then told you that they were not being encouraged to contact the mods (which they are) and that they'd send them back to you. All the while not letting you know who these people are.

Yeah. Mod logic. I don't get it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:00:08 2013 No.6996859 >>6996852 Maybe you could ask her to ask the customers in question to reveal themselves to you? Otherwise, how are you supposed to know whose orders to ship?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:02:08 2013 No.6996863 >>6996853 I don't personally have a problem with the set, but fuuu she takes her social justice thing so overboard that obviously it's going to be questionable that she's buying things that look even remotely Nazi-ish.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:02:08 2013 No.6996865

>>6996859
According to the mods they are terrified of drama and don't want to say anything. They want everything done through the egl comm mods, apparently. Heh.

I have a list of people who have contacted me asking for shipping. We are actively communicating. That list is quite small, and I have a feeling that some or possibly all of the people who went to the mods aren't on the list.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:06:08 2013 No.6996869 >>6996863 This is my feeling as well, but then SJW aren't exactly known for their powers of forethought.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:07:09 2013 No.6996870 >>6996754 A girl in the Dream Dress thread was looking for another SS to buy her dress as she used Rosaire, won the auction but didn't get the dress as the seller couldn't contact Rosaire.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:07:09 2013 No.6996872 >>6996865 But if they contacted you being all, "Hey, I need my items shipped!" and then you shipped them within the given deadline, you'd never even know that it was them that had a problem! I mean, do they exist, or what?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:11:09 2013 No.6996875

>>6996742
>>6996748
The problem I have as an outsider looking in is how Rosaire and her supporters conduct themselves whenever the drama bomb goes off. Their behaviour is awful and they justify it by "well, wouldn't you act like that if you were wrongly accused!!1!"

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:11:09 2013 No.6996876 >>6996870 I know, I was the one who linked it up thread. Notice Rosaire hasn't acknowledged it, even though there's enough information posted that she should surely know what issue this is. >>6996875 This a thousand times.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:13:09 2013 No.6996879 >>6996876 Well, she's in this thread, so obviously she knows that you have a problem with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:15:10 2013 No.6996880 >>6996875 And the behavior of people who don't like rosaire isn't awful? Calling her cunt, bitch, scammer, pig, etc?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:17:10 2013 No.6996883 >>6996880 >scammer But if what the customers are saying is true, she is one. And, well, her behavior in these threads can speak for itself as to the others.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:20:10 2013 No.6996885

>>6996883
She says that the people who wanted their items ship are in active communication with her. The people who haven't said they wanted their items shipped don't really have ground to stand on, since it's her policy that you need to tell her you want it shipped otherwise it's considered 'on hold.'

Is she immature? Sometimes. I can't blame her in some instances, especially since people that don't like her have the habit of throwing out random accusations without backup as "proof" of her wrongdoing. Does that mean that what's going on here, with wonderfinch bringing up random and false accusations as a basis for her treatment of rosaire and milkteamilk giving contradictory statements, weird and fucked up (and nasty/rude as fuck on wonderfinch's part)? nope.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:23:12 2013 No.6996888

>>6996880
You won't mind indicating which ones they were, then, will you?

Because this point is made every time someone says something about Team Rosaire's bad behaviour.
>"Rosaire did something shitty"
>Team Rosaire "Where's your proof? Make sure it's been signeda nd validated by the Pope"

>"Rosaire's responses sure were smug & curt"
>Team Rosaire "Shut up everyone tells her she's a fat piggy cunt so we can say what we want to you moles"

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:23:12 2013 No.6996889

>>6996885
But the problem, according to the modpost, is that these customers either cannot get into contact with her, or that she has spent their shipping money- which no MATTER what excuse rosaire gives them, that right there is already scamming and shady territory. It has nothing to do with her policy in that case.

As to second paragraph, see >>6996875

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:25:12 2013 No.6996890

>>6996885
Why would anyone as someone to buy them something then not expect it to be shipped out?

So people have to get her to buy it, then contact her again to ship it? Is this right?

Why doesn't she just automatically ship it out to the person instead of waiting for them to contact her?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:27:12 2013 No.6996892 >>6996890 I think she made some excuse about it being so people could tell her if they wanted to combine orders, but in that case you would think it'd be clear if they didn't contact her to buy something else that they're ready to ship... who knows.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:27:12 2013 No.6996893 >>6996890 International shipping isn't collected until later.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:29:12 2013 No.6996895 >>6996890 Well, for her, it's because she's busy or something, so that's her policy now. But it's not that weird? I use FromJapan for auctions, and I have to ask them to ship something out after it's bought, too.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:31:13 2013 No.6996896

>>6996892
>>6996893
Sounds disorganised. Surely you would enter into an agreement to get me X and ship it out, or get me A + B and contact me if you can get C so I can decide if I want to split the parcel.

Shipping it out should be part of the expectation of purchasing something overseas and should be on the onus of the seller, you can't say 'it wasn't shipped because you didn't tell me to". That's a 5 year old's reasoning.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:32:13 2013 No.6996900 Rosaire, do you deny that you told any customers that you are "unable to pay for shipping on items that the buyer had already paid shipping for"? That's the shittiest and least vague of the accusations, and I haven't seen you deny it yet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:32:13 2013 No.6996903 >>6996896 So then you expect a service to front the shipping money and wait to be paid back?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:35:13 2013 No.6996907 >>6996903 Diff anon but no, I would expect the service to contact me when they have the item in their possession, and tell me the shipping cost.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:35:13 2013 No.6996908 >>6996903 No, I'd pay an estimated agreed upon amount that would be more than what the post office would charge (for travel expenses etc) beforehand.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:41:15 2013 No.6996917

>>6996890
I always have to confirm with my shipping services that I want to have items shipped out, this isn't just Rosaire. With Taobao shipping services too, "hey I'm ready to ship!" or press a button if they have a cool website, so they know. They can't smell when you're done with shopping, that's pretty normal.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:45:15 2013 No.6996919

>>6996917
My SS (taobao too, TBS) have always contacted me when the items have arrived with them and are ready to ship- they don't ship it automatically, no, but they let me know that they can if I'm ready. I think that's a much more efficient way of doing things, but that's personal preference I suppose.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:46:15 2013 No.6996920

>>6996917
This! I mean, when it's a personal shopping service, it's different because I guess you can tell them whether you'll be buying more things, but the shipping charge will obviously be separate, so obviously you need to tell them so that you can pay them for shipping.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:47:15 2013 No.6996921

>>6996888
LOL yes. Asking for a screencap or link that proves an accusation is wanting things to be validated by the pope. Wonderful logic.

But here you go--and this is just quickly searching for people's favorite phrase, piggu, from the past month or two.

http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/S6985372#p6989725
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/S6894949#p6898819
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/S6894949#p6896705
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/S6894949#p6897804
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/S6894949#p6898765
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/S6894949#6898819

while it's on my mind, of course this entire post: http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/562116.html

on that subject oh hey remember the time someone told her to slit her own throat among other insults: http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/562591.html?thread=38073503#t38073503

but no, no one is everrrrrrr nasty about rosaire, nooooope. it's all a massive conspiracy by an army of rosaire clones in white suits to smear the good name of the people that hate her.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:49:16 2013 No.6996926 >>6996919 I use TBS too and I always have to contact them to check the status of the items. They never inform me on if everything has arrived or not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:50:16 2013 No.6996928 >>6996921 >quickly searching for people's favorite phrase, piggu, from the past month or two Haha, you are the best at being efficient

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:50:16 2013 No.6996929 >>6996926 Do you order a ton of stuff? I admit I tend towards shitty small orders, so that might be why, with a lot of stuff it'd probably be harder to keep track.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:54:16 2013 No.6996933 >>6996929 It varies, sometimes I order a lot, sometimes I don't. Maybe they do get confused, and I personally don't mind to ask, it just takes 10 seconds..

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 04:55:07 2013 No.6996934 >>6996900 Welp guess she can't deny it

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 05:08:12 2013 No.6996949 >>6996934 Or she's not on her computer >implying someone might not be on their computer 24/7 on /cgl/ crazy i know

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 05:13:12 2013 No.6996957 >>6996949 What are you talking about? I've implanted my computer so I'm always connected!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 05:47:19 2013 No.6996996 >>6996949 She has a smartphone/iPad/laptop and is unemployed and is unlikely to be at a job interview in the the evening. Maybe she is spending her customer's shipping money on chasing trannies?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 05:50:19 2013 No.6996998

>>6996996
What is with people and criticizing her about the music scene or whatever. Criticize her business model if you want, but tacking on the tranny thing just makes you look like mad vendetta. See, if you'd posted just the first bit, it'd be a lot easier to take you seriously.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 11:18:12 2013 No.6997241 I'm sorry but why should WF tell rosaire who complained? If I ran to the mods about rosaire I sure as hell wouldn't want my name out there. They probably told WF in confidence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 11:31:13 2013 No.6997256 >>6997241 >instead of telling rosaire to ship my items I go complain to the mods and tell them to keep my identity secret because that makes a lot of sense

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 11:32:14 2013 No.6997258 >>6997256 They probably did and she hasn't, especially since she hasn't denied that story that she spent the shipping money on other things and is broke

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 14:39:14 2013 No.6997467

>>6997258
Exactly.. I once had this happen between mutual friends where one moved away and left the other $200 to ship her boxes to her, and the other used the money to pay her rent and still has never shipped them out.

It's shitty and it's extortion if she expects them to pay again to ever see their items, and she should be called out on it. And for how active she's been in here until called out on that, she sure clammed up real quick didn't she. She still hasn't denied it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 14:42:14 2013 No.6997475 >>6997467 Maybe she's doing something else? I mean, wonderfinch hasn't responded to the getoffegl post calling her out for her BS--she sure clammed up real quick, too, didn't she?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 14:46:14 2013 No.6997480

>>6997475
Why do you still think this is a WF vs rosaire thing. They're both shitty we know that, it's been acknowledged. Trying to distract from the main point every time it's brought up with 'B-BUT WHAT ABOUT WF' isn't going to work.

Unlike WF, rosaire is actively scamming customers, as she and her friends so want this thread to ignore.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 14:54:15 2013 No.6997489 >>6997467 It's the middle of the night in Japan. She could quite possibly be sleeping? Just a hunch!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 14:57:08 2013 No.6997494 >>6997480 >rosaire is actively scamming customers, Is she? Because as far as we know, the people who contacted wonderfinch/the egl mods may not have even told rosaire they wanted their items shipped.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 14:59:10 2013 No.6997497

>>6997489
So now that that's been pointed out you're resorting to the 'w-well she's not here!!' Except she didn't respond to it all. night. when she clearly was here. That's the point.

I mean, yeah I'm sure she's biding her time overnight so she can cook up some excuse or story or find a customer to blame for calling her out.

>>6997494
That part of the complaints is too vague for me to buy either yet, so I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the using their shipping money and saying 'whelp can't ship your items now' bs.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 15:03:10 2013 No.6997501

>>6997256
Who says she didn't tell rosaire to hurry the fuck up, and rosaire is jerking her around? Oh right, rosaire says it, so it must be true. WF is only asking for initials, this fits perfectly with the idea that WF doesn't want to blow somebody's cover.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 15:08:12 2013 No.6997509 >>6997489 So she has time to post 20 screenshots and make excuses all over cgl, but suddenly she has to go to sleep rather than explain the one major complaint that she also been accused of before. You're running out of straws to grab at.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 15:16:14 2013 No.6997518 >>6997480 It's a red herring. WF is mean so therefore rosaire can't be a scammer. Perfect logic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 15:41:19 2013 No.6997565 well, this thread sucks now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 15:53:21 2013 No.6997583 >>6997565 You didn't see they made a new peeve thread? This one is in autosage anyway, who cares.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 16:44:19 2013 No.6997656 >>6997509 You mean people might suddenly have to do something that causes them to go away from the computer? Just like how I randomly had to run to the store with my sister? Weird. It's almost like... not everyone is glued to the internet 24/7.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 17:11:12 2013 No.6997696

>>6997656
Are you purposely trying to make her look worse? If somebody attacked my business I would sure as hell actually dress the important complaints, rather than spending all my time proving somebody else is a cunt. Like if I was accused of plagiarism, I wouldn't spend the next day saying "yeah but the person who accused me is such a bitch, she was really mean to me :(". Or if I was accused of shipping counterfeit products, I wouldn't immediately start saying "yeah, but my supplier is a total dick, check out what he said to me in these emails lol" Whatever, you're obviously retarded so I'm done here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 17:13:12 2013 No.6997701 >>6996663 I agree. It honestly looks like wonderfinch is just trying to make this as easy to solve as possible.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 17:17:13 2013 No.6997707

>>6997701
She's not, really. Telling someone that they've committed bannable offences (when they haven't) and then saying that the person is an annoyance isn't really a good way to go about working with people, especially if she's trying to make a supposed scammer ship some items. I mean, yes, obviously Rosaire should address the complaints and it looks very shady that she hasn't, yet has had time to post caps of WF, but WF herself isn't helping the situation.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 17:33:16 2013 No.6997735
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I don't want to get into details or anything, but I will tell you one thing - once again we are being presented with PM's that are convenient for Rosaire. Let's think, hm, wasn't it the same with that Btssb girl? I mean, seriously, unless we see all messages, we can't judge. I know Rosaire and she's causing drama everywhere she goes. She insulted me much, even though I did nothing bad to her. I'm sick of people whiteknighting her, when she even doesn't care about her reputation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 17:40:18 2013 No.6997746 >>6997707 Ah, sorry. not trying to say wf behaved correctly (she most certainly did fuck up) but her initial message seemed rather tame? It's not until rosaire starts pushing buttons and being uncooperative that wf actually snaps.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 17:46:18 2013 No.6997755

>>6997735
I hate to say it but I really wonder if rosaire is the fantasic_dolly sock. The tone is very very similar. But disregarding that, for goodness sake, it is a TEMPORARY ban. She has her bloomers all up in a knot for something that could be resolved EASILY. Meanwhile I don't really care if egl mods police shitty selling behavior on other sites. That just seems logical...? And why on earth is she bitching that it's f-locked? Wouldn't it be worse if it were public, thus ruining her sales on unrelated sites? What an overdramatic cunt.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 17:50:19 2013 No.6997761

>>6997746
This is typical narcissistic baiting.
>Push someone's buttons
>Keep pushing them, picking fights rather than trying to resolve things like a responsible adult and business owner
>other party gets tired of their baiting shit and snaps
>"WAAHHH WAAHH THEY ATTACKED ME, I AM BUT A POOR VICTIM HERE"
>Watch as validation comes rolling in
It. is. EXACTLY the same shit she pulled before. If I had to guess, she's done this many, many times. She is perpetually a "victim".

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 17:54:19 2013 No.6997765 >>6997761 Exactly. That's what was mentioned up here >>6996771 >>6996779 (You) It's really sad that people are still falling for this act.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 17:54:19 2013 No.6997767

>>6997746
That's true (although her but about being quick about the Maiko situation is bullshit). It's probably my dislike for WF, but I feel like she really should be able to keep her head on for these kinds of situations. She just snaps at the smallest thing.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 17:57:08 2013 No.6997773

>>6997767
They probably should, you're right. milkteamilk seems to be the only one who ever has her head on in these situations, so they really should have her be the one to talk to people... Are there even any other mods that ever speak publicly? I can't think of any.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:00:11 2013 No.6997778 >>6997735 Except rosaire took pictures of the PMs, and didn't post screencaps.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:02:11 2013 No.6997781 >>6997778 How does that change what she is and isn't showing? She can just.. not open a message on her screen.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:02:11 2013 No.6997782

>>6997746
Her initial message was tame because she wanted/expected rosaire to say "yes, madame! right away!" and do what she said. When rosaire said that, no, she wasn't going to message wonderfinch with the shipping information of every single person whose package she shipped and it was silly that she was being expected to "resolve the problems" when she wasn't told *who* had a problem. After that, it only took one more push for wonderfich to dissolve into incorrect accusations. Which still make me question just where the "word" is coming from regarding her shipping problems.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:03:11 2013 No.6997784 >>6997778 I think that means that information could have been kept because Rosaire has the ability to pick and choose from the messages, not that the images were doctored.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:03:11 2013 No.6997785 >>6997781 That's not how facebook messaging works. It's an endless scroll.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:04:11 2013 No.6997786 >>6997784 The only way information would have been kept out in this case would be if she left out messages at the very beginning (doubtful, since the first message is "hi, we heard you were concerned") or at the very end.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:07:12 2013 No.6997790

>>6997782
It has already been explained multiple times that for the protection of those that went to the mods, rosaire wouldn't be given identities. It has also been explained how rosaire wouldn't NEED the identities, nor would she have to give WF confidential information- just initials and a yes/no shipped.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:11:12 2013 No.6997797

>>6997782
I think it's another case of he said she said, you know? According to Rosaire, she's working with everyone who is on the to-ship list, none of whom she thinks is the upset customers in question, so it does kind of seem like they might not even exist. But at the same point an time, she hasn't denied that she's used shipping money for her own expenses (and I feel that because it's Rosaire, she would be extremely vocal about denying it if it weren't true), meaning that there also might some problems that she knows about but hasn't publicly acknowledged. There's also been a bunch of anonymous claims about her on this board recently, and they're not in the style of the original vendetta chan (fatty fatty go slit your wrists), so it's not unlikely to believe that these complaints are all completely legitimate. All this, after she promised after her first escapade that she would improve customer service. Somehow, instead, it seems it's going downhill.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:13:12 2013 No.6997804 >>6997786 Yes, I don't think it's like she's omitting info on WF, either, but there are definitely accusations she hasn't addresses, and has instead posted images of WF being a cunt like normal.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:16:14 2013 No.6997808

>>6997790
Wouldn't it be better if instead of Rosaire, the people who are in contact with WF gave the confirmation? That way, Rosaire doesn't have to tell WF every time she ships something out, since it might be unrelated anyway. She just tells the person their tracking info and they themselves can let the mods know that it's been shipped.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:17:14 2013 No.6997809 >>6996634 >>6996637 Wow, I was never a fan of roasire, but I agree with everything she is saying here

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:18:14 2013 No.6997812 >>6997808 But if that was the case, the customers wouldn't have needed to go to the mods in first place because rosaire would have done her job already. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean...

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:22:14 2013 No.6997818

>>6997790
Can you honestly say that if you ran a service and wonderfinch told you that you need to email her the initials of everyone when you ship their package, you wouldn't be pissed off? Especially if, again going by what rosaire says, all the people who said they wanted their items shipped are in contact with her?

It's seriously going out of bounds of reason, here. If you bought something from rosaire and it's not shipped, then... you tell her "Look. I want this shipped." If she doesn't, then try going to the mods. But I really don't see why someone should expect that they should be allowed to be anonymous to the seller when reporting a problem that needs to be solved. If rosaire doesn't know who she MUST ship to... then how is she going to solve the problem? What if the people who complained to the mods aren't even on her shipping queue yet? And as it's been said, if wonderfinch is bandying around the "vendetta-style" accusations against rosaire as proof that she's a shit seller... who exactly are these customers who complained?

I don't know. I just find it seriously ridiculous that they're basically saying: "You have to ship this person's item in order to get un-banned. But we won't tell you who it is :)"

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:23:15 2013 No.6997820

>>6997812
I mean, it'd be the same situation except that instead of Rosaire confirming every shipment she sends, the customer in question confirms it with the mods. Then the mods let Rosaire know, hey, the people who complained about you have gotten their shipping info, you're good to go. I mean, supposedly the to-ship list is small, so unless the people who are complaining aren't even on the list because they haven't contacted her, it shouldn't be an issue. I mean, the whole thing should have been her doing her job anyway, right?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:28:15 2013 No.6997833

>>6997818
>Can you honestly say that if you ran a service and wonderfinch told you that you need to email her the initials of everyone when you ship their package, you wouldn't be pissed off?
No. I can honestly say I would just do it. Why not clear it up and figure out who is potentially ruining my business? For all she knows it's v-chan, emailling the mods under sockpuppets and telling lies. Giving the initials would clear everything up. Yes, I would give the initials. I wouldn't try to incite the e-army and bait WF like she's doing.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:31:15 2013 No.6997837

>>6997818
If I was a SS and knew I had a history of being slow on my service and out of contact with my customers, and I've meanwhile been using their money for my personal problems, I can say I'd very much say I wouldn't be questioning why this is happening and that I could hypothetically see one route being to do everything possible to look better in public eye, while ignoring answering the actual issues and hoping the short-term memory of the internet would once again absolve me of any responsibility.

You know, exactly what rosaire has been doing.

>If she doesn't, then try going to the mods.
Why do you think that's not what's going on here?

When you're having problems with a known drama causer, I would absolutely request to be anonymous.

>If rosaire doesn't know who she MUST ship to... then how is she going to solve the problem?

See >>6996663

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:32:16 2013 No.6997841 >>6997833 Do you think your customers would appreciate you giving wonderfinch information?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:33:16 2013 No.6997844

>>6997820
>I mean, the whole thing should have been her doing her job anyway, right?

It should be. The reason the mods are involved is because she isn't.

>>6997841
If you're still going on about this personal information shit you're just grasping at straws, it's been explained many times that personal info isn't being given.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:35:16 2013 No.6997850

>>6997837
>When you're having problems with a known drama causer,

She only drama she caused herself was the Btssb mess.

If you can't muster up the nerve to tell your SS "Look, I need my items shipped" because they're supposedly giving you the runaround, then maybe you shouldn't be using that SS.

What you linked doesn't solve the problem. If she doesn't know who wants their item shipped ASAP RIGHT NOW IMMEDIATELY... then how is she going to get their items shipped out asap right now immediately? Giving WF initials does not do anything to let her know who is having problems and who needs their problem resolved asap.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:36:16 2013 No.6997854

>>6997844
You didn't answer my question, though. Do you think your customers, every one of them, would be okay with you messaging wonderfinch--someone they might not even know--saying that your package has been shipped and giving out your initials or anything else WF deems necessary?

Do you think wonderfinch should be able to give herself the authority to demand that information? Even for customers who don't even use LJ?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:37:16 2013 No.6997855
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Did wonderfinch really believe that rosaire wasn't going to post those caps? i can't believe she's that stupid to act like an egotistical lying brat when she knows they'd go public.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:40:17 2013 No.6997858

>>6997854
If I fucked up and am wanting to amend my wrongs, I would, and then I would allow my customers to get angry with me for it and refuse to use my service again, which is also taking responsibility for my actions that caused this in the first place.

Which is what a responsible adult does. She has only herself to blame for her own messes.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:42:17 2013 No.6997860

>>6997854
I guess she could let the customer know. Like, "Hey, I need to prove to WF that I shipped the packages out to clear my name, so can I give her your initials?" It's not like WF is going to know the identity of the customer based on their initials.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:43:17 2013 No.6997861

>>6997858
But is there a "wrong" going on here? Or what "degree" of wrong is going on? We don't know. And if rosaire isn't able to immediately go "okay, the mods must be talking about ___ and ____," then there might be more to the story than we know. If she's in contact with everyone who said they wanted their item shipped, then why can't they tell her "I want it shipped now"?

Shit, in her feedback history there's several examples of her offering plenty of potions when someone lets her know that they need an item soon or fast.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:43:17 2013 No.6997864

>>6997850
It's been said before, but your past drama will affect how you are seen in the future. How does it matter that it was "only" the Baby drama (which got to the point of a fucking lawsuit, so I think "only" is being nice) that she herself caused?

So now your solution is that if your SS is fucking you around, it's your own fault?

Maybe she should ship all of her customers' packages, which is her fucking job.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:44:17 2013 No.6997867 >>6997861 *options, not potions

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:44:17 2013 No.6997868

>>6997837
>If I was a SS and knew I had a history of being slow on my service and out of contact with my customers, and I've meanwhile been using their money for my personal problems, I can say I'd very much say I wouldn't be questioning why this is happening and that I could hypothetically see one route being to do everything possible to look better in public eye, while ignoring answering the actual issues and hoping the short-term memory of the internet would once again absolve me of any responsibility.
>You know, exactly what rosaire has been doing.
EXACTLY. Everything going on here points to rosaire trying to buy more time. I manage an indie (not lolita) shop's online presence. If some greater power decided to restrict my sales on a certain venue, you know what I would be doing? Checking up on customers. Checking up on all my orders. Making sure everything is running smoothly. Then I would try to clear things up with the powers that be. I would gladly provide initials. Things I would not do: bitch on facebook publicly. Incite the e-masses. So in other words, I would not do anything rosaire is doing.
>I would absolutely request to be anonymous.
This this this
>If rosaire doesn't know who she MUST ship to... then how is she going to solve the problem?
Or she could DO HER JOB and ship everything on time. Or ask everyone she's holding stuff for if they would like their things shipped. It's not like she has 10,000 customers, this could have been resolved with 10 minutes worth of emails and decent customer service. Instead she wasted the night ratting out wonderfinch. A+ business management.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:46:17 2013 No.6997872

>>6997864
>Maybe she should ship all of her customers' packages, which is her fucking job.

her "job" is to abide by her policies. Not to ship all of her customer's packages at the whims of a moderator who flat-out accused her of something she didn't do. Her policies are that you need to tell her when you're ready for your items to ship, and that after payment for shipment, it make take up to 2 weeks for the item to ship. Do we know, for certain, that the people in question--and by for certain, I don't mean "well the mods said it!" or "well anon said it!"--told her they wanted their items shipped and that it's been over 2 weeks since they paid for shipping?

I'm saying that if someone is sooooooo afraid of your SS being a "drama causer" that they go to the mods of an entirely different community and refuse to even let their names be privately said, then why would someone choose them in the first place?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:47:19 2013 No.6997874

>>6997861
Now you're really reaching. Obviously we can't and won't know without the details about those whose orders were just pending and couldn't get into contact with rosaire to ship, or whatever, we don't know.

But for the customers who already paid rosaire their shipping money and she said 'whelp I spent your money sorry!!' what are they supposed to do? You're acting like it's on them to "contact" her when clearly when she's already fucking spent their shipping money that she was supposed to use to SHIP THEIR ITEM instead of fucking shipping it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:48:19 2013 No.6997879

>>6997868
WE DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYTHING HASN'T BEEN SHIPPED OUT ON TIME.

I'm disinclined to believe the mod who threw out "You changed your name from karasu to hide from bad feedback! And you changed your account from lacetreasures to rosaire! You committed bannable offenses!" is capable of differentiating between legit complaints ("I paid for shipping on x date and it's not shipped out by y date and she said she couldn't ship it") and complaints by people who either don't pay attention to her policies or don't want to abide by tehm.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:49:19 2013 No.6997882 >>6997874 >But for the customers who already paid rosaire their shipping money and she said 'whelp I spent your money sorry!!' what are they supposed to do? Caps? Evidence?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:50:19 2013 No.6997885 >>6997874 Actually, it is up to them to contact her when they want their item to be shipped. That's part of her policy.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:50:19 2013 No.6997886

>>6997872
See >>6997874

Yeah because they totally chose rosaire BECAUSE she's a drama llama, right. You're clearly hellbent on blaming rosaire's customers for the messes she's caused them. I'm done with you.

>>6997882
.. are you retarded?
http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/21689298.html?thread=378071250#t378071250

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:51:19 2013 No.6997894 >>6996630 >>6996631 >>6996634 >>6996637 >>6996645 >>6996649 >>6996652 >>6996656 >>6996662 Bitch be glad I have a laptop because there was no way I was gonna read all of that with my head rotated.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:53:19 2013 No.6997897

>>6997785
But take a look at the screenshots. There IS room for fudging. The 5th screenshot is completely on its own. There is NO timestamp and nothing from any previous messages. Every other screenshot prior to that had part of the previous screenshot AND/OR a timestamp. The LAST screenshot is the same way. These are the most inflammatory messages from WF we are shown and they just happen to be different in two significant ways. Seriously just look at them, they are completely different from all the other screencaps. I'm not saying she did for sure but she definitely could have.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 18:56:08 2013 No.6997902 Sorry, not the very last screenshot. screenshot >>6996645 is different from the others in the same way >>6996631 is.a

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 19:01:09 2013 No.6997915 >>6997907 lel So, here's that proof you've wanted, right whiteknights?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 19:23:14 2013 No.6997979

>>6997818
WF sounds like she was asking for the initials so that rosaire can take a more active role in clearing her name, rather than relying on her customers to actually get back to WF and confirm that their stuff was shipped. that's how i read it, anyway.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 19:24:14 2013 No.6997985
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I was wrong before, only one screenshot does not fit in with the others. And it could still logically fit. I took the liberty of pasting all these conversations together (and rotating them!) so the whole conversation can be easily read.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 19:30:14 2013 No.6998009 >>6997855 how did I know she was going to turn the Lil Mama skirt into some kind of weird J-fashion experiment

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 19:41:17 2013 No.6998038

>>6997979
rosaire is saying exactly what needs to be said to appear sympathetic publicly. She eggs WF on by saying she refuses to give up tracking information (implying WF is bullying her into, when up until the point WF seems to only be trying to resolve these complaints in a courteous manner) because it is sensitive information (said to show that she cares about her customers - looks sympathetic) all the while taking potshots at WF to egg her on. She makes it seem like it's some grave offense that they didn't contact her before the ban - do they really need to? Why? I am not aware of this rule. In any case, someone professional would have simply replied with "I don't feel comfortable giving out customer's tracking information. is there any other way to resolve these complaints?" instead of what she actually does, which is deliberately baiting WF in a way that would make her look sympathetic if posted publicly. And surprise surprise, she posted the conversation publicly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 19:59:11 2013 No.6998065 >>6997907 Her order was shipped on Thursday.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 20:06:11 2013 No.6998077 >>6998065 So she didn't post it on the date she said. SCAMMER. Proof right here, folks.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 20:10:13 2013 No.6998083

>>6998077
Late shipping isn't scamming, but it is certainly being a liar and a really, really shitty seller.

However, rosaire, you still haven't addressed the allegations of using customers' shipment money for your own uses? Which is scamming, by the way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 20:10:13 2013 No.6998085 >>6998077 Whoops I read it wrong, it was Wednesday! >Nae Martin and Hedwig Liu were shipped yesterday! >Thursday at 18:27 · Like · 1

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 20:20:15 2013 No.6998098

>>6998077
It's proof that she didn't ship out every order on time except for -orders that weren't requested yet- LIKE SHE CLAIMED. Convenient that she shipped them the day the temp ban was initiated, after the complaint and probably a month's worth of "I'll ship tomorrow" promises were made. Also, tracking info frequently does not show up for 24-48 hours. It is VERY VERY easy to claim something was shipped the day previous when it was not, knowing that can't be proved with tracking because the post office doesn't work very fast. How do I know? Because I do the same thing when I don't ship people's shit out on time. LOL.
So basically she lied and said all orders were shipped except for customers who didn't follow her service terms, and claimed to not know what WF was talking about and those customers has to have gone "crawling" to WF instead of contacting her, when she knew damn good and well this girl WAS contacting her and she put her off for a month. She completely invented the entire farce of "oh how will I ever know, I have THIRTY orders, everything is shipped on time I have no way of knowing how this happened~!"
How she still has white knights, I don't know.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 20:42:20 2013 No.6998137 >>6998085 She shipped it thursday as she included Hedwig in the list of the packages she is shipping that day on the post talking about her being banned.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 21:37:15 2013 No.6998222 >>6998038 It's weird how people are adamant that rosaire is responsible for her own actions (she is)--but wonderfinch isn't responsible for her own behavior? It's allll rosaire's fault that she flipped out and accused her of shit that didn't happen?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 21:41:16 2013 No.6998228 >>6998009 because she's terrible at dressing herself?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 21:41:16 2013 No.6998230

>>6998222
There's a difference between her not being responsible for her behavior (she is and she's been called out on it many many times already), and acknowledging that she was still baited into it, even if she should have been better than to fall for it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 21:50:18 2013 No.6998261

>>6998222
This is (now) a thread about Rosaire scamming, not about someone's subjective behavior. I'm not a fan of WF myself, but Rosaire does seem to bring out the worst in people, and right now I care about how she is keeping customers money more than someone's personality.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 21:53:18 2013 No.6998268 I thought the problem was that she had 3000JPY to her name (i.e. not enough money to ship out pending orders that were supposedly already paid for). She used other people's money for personal expenses.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:00:09 2013 No.6998277 >>6998268 It is the problem, as much as she and her whiteknights want to distract from it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:01:09 2013 No.6998280

>>6998261
Wonderfinch is like this with multiple people, not just rosaire. Anytime she doesn't get her way, she has tantrums and usually resorts to bringing up her status as an admin to flounce off. (Ignoring that she's only admin because laiferr wanted out and she had seniority.)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:04:09 2013 No.6998286 >>6998280 Rosaire scamming customers > WF's personality. Stop deflecting.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:06:09 2013 No.6998291

>>6998268
Going by past precedent, she likely used the shipping money people gave her to purchase items people wanted for SS, and so on--it's a cycle. Which is obviously not acceptable and I think she should close up her SS until she can ship out all of the existing orders. She's always been slow but not to the point where people weren't getting their items within the timeframe she gives, or even sooner, since I'm one of the people that got an item shipped faster by her earlier this year when I mentioned I needed it for something.

If you can't handle the workload? Don't freakin' do it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:08:11 2013 No.6998298 >>6998286 >pointing out a fact >super defensive Lol.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:10:11 2013 No.6998301 >>6998298 Same could be said of this very comment, your point?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:16:13 2013 No.6998311 >>6998301 Not really. You're the one freaking out over the mere mention of anything else than rosaire being a shitty seller, despite the fact that wonderfinch's behavior is still part of the discussion.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:19:13 2013 No.6998317

>>6998311
I'm a different anon. There are multiple of us pointing out that you (perhaps multiple as well, but you) are deflecting from the fact that rosaire is scamming customers by trying to go 'b-buh wonderfinch is mean!'

Yes, she's a bitch. We get that. Her being a bitch doesn't detract from rosaire scamming customers which, believe it or not, is a more severe offense.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:21:13 2013 No.6998319

Wonderfinch is an idiot. If you know someone has been avoiding shipping or otherwise fucking up people's orders, being antagonistic towards them (and rosaire did fuck up majorly, but throwing out the accusations re: usernames that can be disproven with a quick google is not the best idea, especially since she had a fit when asked to prove it) and basically telling them "Well you know what never come back and in the future I'll tell people I can't even help them because you're not associated with MY community anymore" is pretty much... the opposite of what you should do. If she thinks rosaire is such a brat, who's to say rosaire won't now just throw in the towel and let those orders drop?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:23:14 2013 No.6998327

>>6998317
Talking about what wonderfinch did is not deflecting, though. I'm not saying "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ROSAIRE DID, BECAUSE WONDERFINCH..." I'm talking about what wonderfinch did since it was brought up in this thread. Unless you're incapable of having discussions about more than one topic at a time? Do you need to practice doing that, or?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:34:15 2013 No.6998344 The handful of you fucking up this thread are acting like children. Anyone who cares about their money has seen enough to never want to use rosaire as a shopping service.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:35:15 2013 No.6998348

>>6998319
would you say that the maikodolly situation was handled correctly, then, even though it wasn't resolved? i'm not being snarky here, i'm genuinely curious. in my mind, the maikodolly situation was handled in exactly the opposite way, hence the question.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:40:16 2013 No.6998355 >>6998344 >fucking up this thread It's been in autosage for ages. Although you're right that no one with any sense would be using rosaire by now, that doesn't make it ok to let her fuck over customers.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:45:16 2013 No.6998364

>>6998348
No, but that was the other extreme: believing everything maikodolly said to the point that she was the "source" that it wasn't a scam and letting it get to the point that some of the people affected were like "well, the mods are saying that she's paying people back and seems genuine..." in that case, the mods (once again) bit off more than they could chew by assuming a responsible role in the case--aka telling people their "source" said it was all a mistake/misunderstanding--but then bailing out when, whoops, that was wrong, she really is a scamming bitch.

In the maikodolly case, they believed everything she said and basically coddled her until she could throw people off her scent. In this case, wonderfinch antagonized the fuck out of rosaire by throwing in the accusations and then, when called on it, basically saying "well bitch go home you're not coming back here," and just generally acting like the brat she accused rosaire to be. Though they are both immature brats, IMO.

In both cases, I think the mods are trying to have a bigger role in the issue than they really need to have. For maikodolly, instead of saying "no no, we have sources~" they should have said: If you can, file a paypal dispute. If you can, contact your bank or credit card company. If you can, file a police report. Instead of "reassuring" people in the beginning that it wasn't a scam because of an ~insider source~, despite evidence to the contrary, then having to go "Wellllllllp shit we were wrong, contact the police!"

For rosaire, give her a temp ban and say it will be lifted when the customers in question contact her saying their items are shipped. There's no need for telling rosaire she's got to personally contact wonderfinch when she ships or wonderfinch's mentality-of-a-15-year-old antagonistic bs.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:45:16 2013 No.6998365

>>6998348
Diff anon, but the maikodolly situation was pretty different. It did not clearly look like a scam (and I stopped paying attention before it ended so I don't know if it was or wasn't), it looked like it could have been an honest problem with her credit card and her brother or whoever doing identity theft. Everything was very blurry and difficult to sort through. With Rosaire, she plainly stated that she spent customers money on something else and could not fulfill her side of the purchasing arrangement. In addition, even if it was parallel, they may have learned from the maikodolly case and decided to take better action this time around.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:48:17 2013 No.6998372 >>6998365 >With Rosaire, she plainly stated that she spent customers money on something else and could not fulfill her side of the purchasing arrangement. Where?

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:49:17 2013 No.6998373

>>6998364
>For rosaire, give her a temp ban and say it will be lifted when the customers in question contact her saying their items are shipped. There's no need for telling rosaire she's got to personally contact wonderfinch when she ships or wonderfinch's mentality-of-a-15-year-old antagonistic bs.
As stated somewhere else in this thread, it benefits Rosaire to give the info herself because her customers might not bother once it gets sorted out. Until near the end after all the BS Rosaire gave WF, I thought WF was handling it quite well. Rosaire just got extremely defensive.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:50:17 2013 No.6998380

>>6998372
>>CONCERNING SHIPPING
>>I'm sorry I've been really slow at this but I have been dedicating almost every day to looking for a new job. I've been unemployed for over a month and only have 3000 yen to my name right now! I'm trying my best to make time for everyone to get your things sent out, so...
>>Unless you contact me, your order is considered "on hold" until you tell me you are ready to ship.
>>So if you are ready to go, message me.

13 July

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:52:17 2013 No.6998386

>>6998365
>it did not clearly look like a scam

Except right in the beginning there were people pointing out that she changed her story, even within the early threads, asking why her brother would buy lolita with her 'hacked Paypal,' and that she claimed she was "So busy moving this weekend she couldn't be on the internet," which is why she didn't respond to people, when there were photos of her attending an event & tea party... etc. There was plenty of reason to believe that it was something other than credit card fraud or a mistake.

It was a scam, btw, and basically anyone who let Maiko pay with gift payments didn't get their money back.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:53:17 2013 No.6998390 >>6998380 I don't see anything about her having spent shipping money. I see her saying she has no money of her own.

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 22:54:17 2013 No.6998393

>>6998373
>Rosaire just got extremely defensive.

they both did.

wonderfinch was butting in too much by telling rosaire she had to message her every time an item was shipped. If she wanted rosaire to give her the info, then she could just say "The temp ban will be lifted when all current orders are shipped, please let me know when that occurs."

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 23:00:09 2013 No.6998407

>>6998393
>If she wanted rosaire to give her the info, then she could just say "The temp ban will be lifted when all current orders are shipped, please let me know when that occurs."

That point is somewhat splitting hairs imo, but wonderfinch was definitely being extremely defensive and throwing a tantrum in response to rosaire's posturing and bucking of wonderfinch's mod status.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 23:00:09 2013 No.6998410 >>6998390 rosaires in the thread, just ask her. i'm sure she'll be honest with you

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 23:01:09 2013 No.6998414 >>6998410 If you're not being sarcastic- anons have. Multiple times. She has not answered.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 23:22:12 2013 No.6998483 >>6998390 If she had the money to ship she would have shipped. She obviously does not. I doubt she is so busy looking for a job that she can't complete orders on her side business simply for a lack of time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 23:29:14 2013 No.6998522 I wonder what would happen if we got her Facebook account shut down, heeheehee

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 23:39:18 2013 No.6998568 >>6998522 You would be proving people that call you vendetta anon right, heeheehee Not to mention screwing people out of money & shit they bought

Anonymous Fri Jul 26 23:40:18 2013 No.6998575

>>6998407
Oh, definitely. Wonderfinch really doesn't like it when people don't treat her with the deference she believes she deserves. I think it's only exacerbated by her presence on Tumblr, since she's used to her SJW followers praising her for posting borderline-nutso SJW crap.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 23:49:20 2013 No.6998609 >>6998568 This. Don't fucking do that shit, in addition to being fucked up, it would also allow rosaire to basically get out of taking responsibility for her actions by having an excuse to get out of contact again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 26 23:56:07 2013 No.6998643 >>6998609 she deserves it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 00:00:08 2013 No.6998652 >>6998643 ...So... you want her to be able to escape responsibility and fuck over her customers? Are you retarded or are you the actual ~vendettachan~ everyone's been wailing about. Or both. I'm going to assume both at this point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 00:03:08 2013 No.6998655 >>6998380 Whatever happened to that "great translating job" she got after Baby?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 00:04:08 2013 No.6998659 >>6998655 She probably fucked that up. I'm seeing a pattern here. If she's too sick to get to the post office after 22 days I wonder how that works out in a job situation?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 00:05:08 2013 No.6998661 >>6998655 She was partially responsible for international orders, but couldn't always ship to the right country.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 01:11:11 2013 No.6998794

The reason this is so controversial is because every single side in this is wrong.

WF is wrong because honestly, her attitude in those facebook messages was rude and unprofessional. Also, the whole blaming-without-having-an-actual-reason-to-blame thing and refusing to actually have a sensible response when proven wrong.

Rosaire is wrong for having a SS up at all right now if she is supposedly so ill and unemployed that she is a complete mess and can't run her SS up to speed.

Rosaire's customers who reported her to the mods are wrong for not using their damn eyes to read Rosaire's terms, agreeing to them anyway by purchasing through her, and then being too chicken shit to confront her directly.

Morons. All of them.

It's not that hard to be sensible people.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 01:40:16 2013 No.6998855

>>6998794
>Rosaire's customers who reported her to the mods are wrong for not using their damn eyes to read Rosaire's terms, agreeing to them anyway by purchasing through her, and then being too chicken shit to confront her directly.
Did you not see the post where the girl said she messaged her repeatedly? I agree with everything else but rosaire's "they obviously never read my terms and contacted me" excuse is a massive pile of bullshit.

someone said rosaire brings out the worst in people. I think your post illustrates this pretty well. Every gtfo and cgl thread about her is a clusterfuck, people start slinging shit as soon as her name is mentioned. whenever rosaire is involved, nobody looks good. No one comes out ahead. I don't know what it is but she has a fucking talent for it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 02:14:09 2013 No.6998943

>>6998855
I might have overlooked something about it, but I thought Rosaire confirmed she shipped on the date she stated?

Of course, we don't know the outcome of the situation or if she really did ship then. But the issue seemed to dissolve in this thread after the caps of Rosaire saying she shipped such and such orders were posted.

Keep in mind, I never heard about Rosaire until this incident. (Yeah I live under a rock.) I am neutral to everything, and all I see is... Rosaire should not have a SS, her customers should not be pussies if they are unhappy with a transaction, and WF should not be an unprofessional bitch.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 02:24:13 2013 No.6998962

Someone on GTFO asked why there hadn't been a GTFO on WF, and I'm wondering- should there be one? I mean, is it possible to get her 'unelected'? Not just this incident, obviously, but with all the complaining we do about her, maybe it'd be possible to compile, like the longest GTFO in history on her.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 02:32:14 2013 No.6998972

>>6998962
there hasn't been one specifically but she's been featured in many. The last iirc being in her spat on EGL with Rocketlaunching. Then there was the "mod leak" drama which is no longer there as the previous GTFO owner deleted it and flounced as WF asked her to take down (caps were leaked of WF saying she wanted to bunch a comm member in the teeth or something to other mods).
I don't recall there even being a post bout the Maiko nonsense and her role in it.

I don't know if people are just wary of posting her incase of repercussions but the GTFO mods actively encourage sock accounts and I don't think they'd object to mod drama unlike the previous host. RL certainly wouldn't

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 03:57:08 2013 No.6999109

http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/585729.html?thread=38993409#t38993409

golf clap for tiggs here

Rosaire needs to suspend her SS--there's no excuse for taking new orders when you can't handle your current ones--but FUCK, wonderfinch acted like a total and complete retarded ass.

>>6998972
Part of the problem is that it's not like she'd one one major gtfo-worthy thing, but lots of little minor ones. Like this with rosaire. And her fuckup with rocketlaunching. And her saying she wanted to kick someone's teeth in. And her fuckup with the maikodolly situation. Etc.

Kinda like that German mod who did little things here and there, and she was only "run out" because it came out that she said something racist about another mod on Facebook and someone threatened to post the caps.

I doubt wonderfinch leave since she lives for being able to control EGL, though. It's her one trump card, as you can see with her conversation with rosaire. "MY community, MY rules, MY standards, MY, MY, MY..."

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 04:02:09 2013 No.6999114

>>6999109
I agree re: the whole WF attitude and all the minor things, etc.

But of your last line, here's the thing: if WF did get ousted from the community, who WOULD mod it? Other than milkteamilk, what other mods even do or say anything anymore? I feel like egl would never be able to get replacement mods anymore, what with the shit everyone knows goes with it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 04:06:09 2013 No.6999125

>>6999114
Unfortunately, no idea. It seems like the type of people attracted to moderating the community are the people who have a power-hungry attitude problem. Or maybe it's the fact that they become admin that makes them power-hungry and bitchier, idk.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 04:35:15 2013 No.6999154 >>6999114 If it were up to the community, who do you think they would choose?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 04:43:16 2013 No.6999161 >>6999154 What do you mean? We don't know who would apply.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 04:47:18 2013 No.6999167 >>6999114 Remember when everyone was ecstatic that WF became admin because she was "one of the best mods?" hahahahaha

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 04:54:18 2013 No.6999177 >>6999167 Yeah, well, it's always by comparison that such things are said. The fact of the matter is cgl (well, the community in general maybe) will never be happy with any mods egl has, ever.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 05:06:09 2013 No.6999197

>>6999167
Power corrupts etc etc. And as soon as you become admin, instead of a mod, you are expected to behave with much more professionalism. Wonderfinch did okay hiding her bad attitude when she was a mod, but as soon as she was the one calling the shots, the curtain fell.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 06:27:13 2013 No.6999268 >>6996760 this!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 08:13:10 2013 No.6999349 re: name changes, you're supposed to notify a mod of any planned name changes so all names will be linked to each other. if you change it without telling anyone it looks like you're trying to get around your past. it's on the faq in eglfeedback.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 10:03:09 2013 No.6999412 >>6998855 That girl has always been a pain in the ass shopper, though. I wouldn't use her bitching about not having her items NOWNOWNOW as proof tbh

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 11:50:18 2013 No.6999496

>>6998794
>Rosaire's customers who reported her to the mods are wrong for not using their damn eyes to read Rosaire's terms
From my understanding, her terms say it could take two weeks to ship. According to this girl >>6997907
it took her 22 days. That's way over. Also no where in her terms does it state that Rosaire may not have the money to ship items even when shipping has been paid for. That is worth a permaband from EGL imo.

>>6999197
It's not always that power corrupts, it's that people don't like being told what to do so they get upset with the person in power. Though I'd only say this is like 40% of why people don't like WF, the other 60% is situations where she abuses power.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:26:14 2013 No.6999531 >>6999349 lacetreasures automatically forwards to rosaire. what part of this do you not understand, wonderfinch

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:29:14 2013 No.6999534

>>6999349
The faq on only feedback only says if you change your name to "eave a comment on your page clearly outlining your old name and your new name." However, when you change your name on LJ, everything redirects--which is why when you try to go to lacetreasures, it redirects to rosaire.

Even so, it certainly isn't--as wonderfinch says--against the rules or "not okay" to change your name without getting mod approval.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:36:15 2013 No.6999547 File: 54 KB, 689x659, lolindeed.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6999496

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:42:16 2013 No.6999554 >>6999547 the plot thickens

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:44:16 2013 No.6999556 >>6999547 question, though: if she didn't pay in full until July 13th, why did you say "Sorry I've been having a hard time, I will ship tomorrow" instead of "you paid july 13th, it may take up to 2 weeks to ship"?

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:51:18 2013 No.6999567

>>6999556
Because in the description of the group it says

>My general shipping time is two weeks from payment, but I will make a post on the group when I have a scheduled shipping period.

>By joining this group and using my service, it is assumed that you have read and accepted my terms.

I have a lot to do in a few hours so I am going to sleep.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:54:18 2013 No.6999569 >>6999547 >I won't give out sensitive information about my customers to a private PM to WF >but I will post their last name, location, transaction I.D.,and what they bought to cgl

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:58:07 2013 No.6999573 >>6999569 First and last name were already posted on this thread, which revealed their location. I can't blame her for posting it when this person is accusing her of not shipping for 22 days--when in fact she hadn't paid in full yet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:05:10 2013 No.6999581 File: 277 KB, 648x1983, w5qCK2M.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:21:11 2013 No.6999594 >>6999581 If wondercunt has the time to whine to her Facebook, why can't she come back to getoffegl and own up to the fact that she used gossip as her base for why rosaire should technically already be banned?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:27:12 2013 No.6999609 >>6999581 >wonderfinch leaves out a bunch of information that would make her look bad >makes sure to mention that rosaire left out stuff on her caps mkay...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:23:28 2013 No.6999681 >>6999573 What a very nice a tidy excuse to let you dox a customer who dared complain publically. And you guys needed proof as to why customers should be afraid of her? Here it is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:33:34 2013 No.6999699 >>6999681 Someone posted caps of the customers Facebook without blacking out names. Rosaire posts caps with everything bar a surname blacked out and she's the bad one....

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:41:34 2013 No.6999714

>>6999681
>And you guys needed proof as to why customers should be afraid of her? Here it is.

Here it is? You mean a screencap with their personal information blacked out? As opposed to someone that doesn't like rosaire (aka in "your own camp") posting the screencap with everyone's names open? Uh-huh.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:42:34 2013 No.6999715

>>6999699
>Using customer's money for personal expenses
>Making excuses for weeks to ship things
>Causing drama instead of getting her fucking SS taken care of
>Drags everyone around her's name through the mud

Yes, dumbass. Rosaire is the fucking bad one. If this still needs to be established for you there is no hope.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:51:35 2013 No.6999724 >>6999715 >shipped customer's item without the time frame >customer lied on their facebook about what happened >calls out people when they lie okay themugence

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:57:08 2013 No.6999732 >>6999715 I wasn't commenting on the whole scenario. Simply that instance. Learn to read Mugence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:57:08 2013 No.6999733 >>6999724 I don't even know who that is. And why would it be a "lie" if rosaire had responded with a reply that obviously indicates she hadn't shipped yet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 15:00:10 2013 No.6999738 >>6999733 It's a lie because the customer said she'd been waiting 22 days for an item to be shipped, but they only paid in full 9 days beforehand--before the 12 day timeframe rosaire gives for shipping.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 15:08:11 2013 No.6999745

>>6999738
But that's not a "lie" if the customer isn't counting from the day they paid? Maybe they're also counting days it took them to get into contact with rosaire? Since we know she's slow on contact enough to miss people some auctions, among other things.

You can't call that a "lie" unless it was specifically intended to indicate 'days passed from what rosaire considers an active shipping frame'. And again, why would rosaire be apologetic if it was still within her timeframe? Why woudn't she just say 'hello, I still plan to ship within x days left, so please be patient' or whatever.

(And if you're going to go the 'lel hi whoever' route; hi puddin/beebeep. Nice to finally know for sure that you guys are rosaire plants.)

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 15:15:13 2013 No.6999755

>>6999745
Actually, it is a lie.

>I keep waiting for 22days for the SS to feel better so she can ship my items

You can't have been waiting for 22 days for your items to be shipped if you only paid in full 9 days earlier. As for why she was apologetic, probably because that's basic customer service? You always apologize for whatever it is, even if you're in the right. Shit, she apologized when whats-her-face from the octave drama was like "oh but I need this by x date even though you state in your policies to always tell you of a deadline before ordering."

I'm not either one of them, but nice try.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 15:18:13 2013 No.6999759

>>6999755
No, I'm saying that if she contacted rosaire to say she was ready to ship her items- and counted /that/ as days from which she was waiting- not from when she actually got into contact and paid- perhaps that is when she was counting 22 days from.

It is not a fucking lie to state your distress from your perspective. If she came into this thread and said, 'I had to wait for 22 days after paying for rosaire to ship my items!', yes, that would be a fucking lie, because it would be in context where we all know that we're talking about her 2 week policy.

You can not call someone's out of context words a lie, no matter how much you are desperately wanting it to be so.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 15:29:15 2013 No.6999770

>>6999759
But why would she expect her items to be shipped *if she didn't actually pay in full for the items yet*? Unless you're saying it's okay for a customer to only pay partially for their item and expect to have it shipped out?

It's a lie if you're misrepresenting the situation.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 15:36:16 2013 No.6999779

>>6999759
But the person is saying that she's been waiting 22 days and "when will she ship my item!!" when it's only been 9 days. It is a fucking lie if you're implying that you've been waiting 22 days for an item to be shipped when you had no reasonable expectation that your item should be shipped before y'know. You finished paying for it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 16:06:09 2013 No.6999827

>>6999770
>>6999779
It's like you're illiterate or something.

Hypothetical situation for you to wrap your brain around:
>My items arrived to my SS, so I send a message that I am ready to ship
>I wait maybe 5 days for a response (personally I never bug sellers before a week, but let's say I'm impatient, so 5-7 days)
>No response, I send another message, wait another 5 days maybe- 10-12 in all so far, over a week, maybe almost 2
>Eventually they respond, I pay my invoice, now I wait for the items to physically ship.
>12 days pass, I am frustrated that I have now waited 22 total days in the shipping process, so I post to my fb to vent
>SS responds, gives excuse, says they will ship tomorrow
>Let's say sure, it actually shipped next day

That's still 22 days waiting for the shipping process to proceed and complete.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 16:08:11 2013 No.6999831 >>6999827 You're ass-uming a whole lot here, all the while conveniently forgetting that THEY DID NOT PAY IN FULL UNTIL JULY 13TH. If you don't pay IN FULL, you do not have the right to be pissy that your shit hasn't shipped.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 16:12:11 2013 No.6999842 >>6999831 >hypothetical I guess you are illiterate So even though the onus is on the SS to get into contact and send the invoice, it's still the buyer's fault? Interesting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 16:23:13 2013 No.6999871 themugence pls go

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 16:27:13 2013 No.6999879 >>6999871 beebeebeep pls go

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 16:43:16 2013 No.6999935 And Rosaire STILL has yet to deny that she spent her customer's shipping money...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 16:57:08 2013 No.6999988 >>6999842 Did rosaire not get in contact with this person? Do you know that? I'd love to see your sources. p.s. despite what the mods believe, the rumor mill isn't a source

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 17:01:08 2013 No.7000023

>>6999935
>And Rosaire STILL has yet to deny that she spent her customer's shipping money...

Up until around the time she lost her job, the way she would typically operate her SS shipping is by shipping the item, then sending the invoice for shipping so she could have it call covered. So she normally ships out of her own pocket, then gets the money later. But without a job, that means no money in the bank to ship. Which is why she changed her policy. But at this point, it's too little too late because the moment she got orders behind, she needed to put a hold on new orders, tell everyone who wanted items shipped that they needed to pay for it, use that money to ship, and wait until she could straighten her ass out before continuing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 17:04:08 2013 No.7000036 >>7000023 Except the customers PAID for shipping and she still couldn't. The issue isn't that she changed her policy, it's that the customers paid her to ship and she still couldn't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 17:18:10 2013 No.7000064 >>6999879 that wasn't me, I just got home. good try tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 17:20:10 2013 No.7000066 >>7000036 >Except the customers PAID for shipping and she still couldn't. Source? And don't say "the mods!!!" since I don't trust any group that pulled "you changed your name from karasu to evade bad feedback!" as evidence against her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 19:21:10 2013 No.7000257 candlelitballad is trying really hard to hang rosaire. girl, stop being so thirsty.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 20:36:15 2013 No.7000385 >>6999161 I mean, if it were based on recommendation or something, who would be a lolita that people could respect and trust as an admin?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 20:40:16 2013 No.7000391 >>6999581 So much butthurt and ass-kissing

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 21:51:20 2013 No.7000467 >>7000391 That's why a getoffegl for wonderfinch would never work. She doesn't care that people have evidence of her being a bitch. She cries to her facebook and they come running in, licking boot.

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